Obama on Jobs Numbers: ‘Better Than Expected,’ But ‘More Than We Should Tolerate’

YOU LIE! Show us the chart again where unemployment was expected to be now if we gave you your stimulus money. Hmmm, it shows that we would be at 8%…..wait, did you mean 9.7% was higher than 8%? I guess you got us there, you sneaky president you.

Damn, the Pres hasn’t fixed everything yet, I hope this new standard of getting everything fixed in a very short time still holds for republicans.
Of course to listen to the R’epubs you would think they were fixing things when they ran the country, history shows something completely different.
History will also show that after being handed a surplus the republicans bankrupted the country.
It will be interesting to see if the new (R) Gov of NJ fixes everything in the same time period.
Gov. Christie, you’ve got 1 year to fix your state’ problems..

Obama has created plenty of jobs–IN CHINA!!!
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What a dumb Republican right wing con job that statement is . . .

Rahm deserves all the credit.
No way Rahm was going to let a crisis go to waste, and not get a chance to soak taxpayers.
Remember–he’s the one keeping Obama from becoming Jimmy Carter.
God help us if Rahm is the only adult in the White House.

Funny how Washington DC doesn’t have an unemployment issue.
Obama has grown the government and even given them a raise.
Thankfully I have a job.
But I didn’t get a raise.
In fact I had to give up 5% of my salary for two months.
The federal workers got a raise.
Did any of you?

10% for my husband. It was either that or leave. Not getting it back.

Obama has created plenty of jobs–IN CHINA!!!
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What a dumb Republican right wing con job that statement is . . .
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 2:13:19 PM
Even though it’s true.
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The implication of the statement is only ‘true’ if you pretend to ignore the hundreds of thousands of other stimulus jobs right in the United States.
There are also projects under way with stimulus plan funding to develop American designed and made turbines – something America hasn’t established

For the record
I didn’t mean to sound ungrateful.
I’m so thankful to still have a job and I would have gladly given up more to keep teaching.
I hope your situation turns around soon.

People aren’t spending, banks aren’t lending, businesses aren’t hiring.
Obama is anti-business.
He’s not trusted, not credible, wishy washy, everything he says has an expiration date.
Just wait until his health care tax kicks in.

Once again everyone is complaining and I haven’t read a decent idea from anyone on this blog. Times are tough and they are going to be for a long time. The great depression lasted almost ten years. TEN YEARS! So buck up and deal with it. We may well be on our way to a whole new way of living in the coming years. Granted a bogus totally unecessary war in Irag started by bumbo didn’t help but non the less hunker down, quit bitching, and start making life work for you again!

Good post tierra, but don’t forget to add, Get your own health insurance. Quit waiting for the government to provide you with one.
I had to give up 100% of my salary.
“The Many. The Proud. The Unemployed!”
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 5, 2010 3:12:42 PM
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Get a job. Quit waiting for the government to provide you with one.

Of course these are non farm payroll numbers only and still totaling 3.3 million in ’09 alone. SO sorry when people loose jobs, especially ones they enjoy.
15,000 not in the number are temps hired for the census (for the next year only) or else it would have been 51,000. That Census temp hiring (while a temp blessing for some)is expected to peak in May so these numbers are skewed some by that especially given the overall loss of jobs in the non farm payroll sectors. June may be interesting to watch just like Jan had been after the temp holiday help.(Per BLS & Reuters)
Of the lost job numbers the bulk by at least 2/3 are still from private industry yet again- construction, info services. The only sector to grow jobs was in temporary employment.
And unless they missed a total pay period the numbers were not affected by snow.

I’ve read the report those figures and that chart came from. There were no ‘promises’ made. The report took pains to point out their figures were not meant to be exact predictions, and they expected the figures could vary widely for any number of reasons including the fact they were put together before the final stimulus bill had been arrived at; and that the economic meltdown under the Bush administration was almost unprecedented in scope and nature.
You Republican right wingers still rag on this point because you haven’t read the report.
Posted by: tierra
It wasn’t a report, it was your idot president that promised with the passing of porkulus that unemployment would not go over 8%. Now that we all know that the porkulus was only meant for bank bonus’s, union welfare, state bribes, and back door deals with pharma you claim he has only had a year. If the CEO of my company had made as many improvements as dumBO has made in the last 14 months I wouldn’t let him clean the company mens room.

“The implication of the statement is only ‘true’ if you pretend to ignore the hundreds of thousands of other stimulus jobs right in the United States.”
Tell Harry Reid.

Posted by: Todd | Mar 5, 2010 4:42:38 PM
So, here’s where I typically talk about a two term income decline, the decline in real wages since 1982, the poor getting poorer, the number of uninsureds growing… but there’s an article in The Economist called “Back to the crash: The American economy has just had its worst decade since the 1930s.” It has graphs and everything. I also points out–
“.. the misery stretches well beyond the recession, as our charts above make clear. Taking the decade between 2000 and 2009 as a whole, growth was slower than in previous decades. These figures, compiled by Christopher Wood, a former journalist with The Economist and now a strategist at CLSA, a Hong Kong-based investment group, provide stark reminders of various aspects of the poor performance the American economy demonstrated during the “noughties”.
Real GDP in America grew by an average of 1.9% a year during the 2000s. This may not sound all that terrible, especially for a decade that saw one short recession and another particularly deep and long one. But it is the economy’s worst performance for a long time. During the previous six decades, average growth was 3.9% a year. Only the 1930s—when growth was a mere 0.9% a year—were worse. And America’s population is growing smartly, so GDP per head has grown a good deal more sluggishly than GDP as a whole. The story is much the same when the growth in Americans’ personal consumption during the ten years to the end of 2009 is compared with previous decades. Again, only the 1930s were worse.
In terms of employment growth, the 2000s were also a lost decade. In the years between 1940 and 1999 the number of Americans employed outside farming grew by an average of 27% each decade. In the one just past it fell by 0.8%.”
Despite all this (and I didn’t even mention the polls regarding unhappiness and misery) the Republican solution for the economic mess we’re in: Bring back the ’00s! The good ole days!

“Really? Then why are democratic congressmen sending a letter to dumBO to demand that funding Chinese wind generator plants directly from the porkulus be stopped immediatly? Your kool aid addiction is getting the better of you.”
Dude, the PRC is getting the business because they own the US debt. Obama is cool with that and liberals have no ability to admit/understand it anyway. Beijing gets what they want, period(however their humiliation of Hillary Clinton is just for kicks). Obama figures that better for them to buy more bonds than have Americans employed. The End.

cbo deficit projection is 1.2 trillion highr than the adnistration projected. 1.2 trillion higher. can you say greece. i want health care for everyone, as well as house and free education and world where can all get along. i also want my own avitar.we cannot afford any of this regardless of what bush did or didnt do. bill cosby has the right idea. we need to shut this puppy down and live within our means wether your a lefty or righty…we dont have anymore money.

I blame the winter. Or something.
Posted by: Summer | Mar 5, 2010 4:46:00 PM
I blame Summer– and Spring wasn’t so great either.

8 out 10 federal jobs pay signicantly higher than commensuarate private sector jobs even without considering retirement bennies ( usa today). the state of california is worse. whenever the public sector pays more than private you have a disfunctional economy. when are the feds and states going to take the same hits a s the private sector?

when are the feds and states going to take the same hits a s the private sector?
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They won’t because they are unionized (thanks Pres. Kennedy) you know the special friends of our Pres and Dems. We all know what unions push for during tough times- their own money (and not just for their members- the leadership has misspent their funds too) just look at Greece.

afp..11 miniutes ago posted a story that obamas buget projection are off by 1.2 TRillion bucks to the bad. perhaps someone wanted the health care vote so urgently soon for reasons yet to be disclosed. also why wouldnt this be a huge story on abc?

brian …did warren know the cbo says obamaas projection are off by 1.2 tillion or 20%. dont think so as the story is just coming out.

Jobs are not a priority and this adm doesn’t create jobs except for government jobs, which simply take away more tax dollars and/or add to the debt.
Posted by: TOO LITTLE – TOO LATE – HE WASTED A YEAR! | Mar 5, 2010 6:41:49 PM
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Well, Obama’s not losing over 700,000 jobs per month like the previous Republican president. That has been stopped and the CBO projects that up to 2 million jobs were salvaged by the ARRA.

tierra…obama budget projection is off by 20% or 1.2 TRILLION dollars. thats a big mistake when every penny counts.1.2 trillion. we cant afford anything and i dont care if its a republican or democrat thats a huge mistake.i hope every finds a job and i dont care who gets credit or blame. america first.what happened to jhw 539?

progressive mama…hwere can i find a magic 8 ball. i miss those things.have a good weekend and may we all be gainfully employed soon.

Once again everyone is complaining and I haven’t read a decent idea from anyone on this blog.
Posted by: Jackson | Mar 5, 2010 4:17:18 PM
Here’s one: If I pre-pay my mortgage 12 months using a withdrawal from my 401K, can the government forgive the taxes on the withdrawal?

Well, Obama’s not losing over 700,000 jobs per month like the previous Republican president.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 6:47:21 PM
Well, corporations ran out of people to lay off (for now). A first grader could figure that one out.

Companies are afraid of Obama.
Companies are afraid of Obamacare.
Companies are afraid of “Cap and Tax”.
Companies are afraid of more government.
Companies are afraid!

This is one of those turn-around months. Obviously the job situation is going to improve slowly. The important thing is it is turning around.
I’m not anti-foreign anything but folks, try to buy American when you can. It is the one way we all can help keep Americans working. There are so many jobs that are gone, we need to keep the remaining ones here.
Does anyone know if they ever stopped the government payouts to companies sending jobs overseas?

stevemb12, too little too late, and other negative types,
Obama concentrating on passing health care reform isn’t just for the humanitarian factor, it has everything to do with helping the economy.
Think of it from one family’s perspective. They have insurance, but every year their premium goes up more than their paycheck. So they have less to spend on other purchases. Now multiply those families by most of those with insurance and you can see the hit our economy takes.
Just in my middle-class family, in the last ten years our premiums have doubled and our deductibles are higher. We have put off buying appliances and other big ticket items, as well as cut back on the amount of everything we buy.
Health care reform will not only create medical profession jobs, it will free up money for people to buy the items they need but can’t afford now, creating many jobs.

“George W. Bush decade saw
most dreadful economic performance
in U.S. since Great Depression’
you can try to ignore it, but facts are facts,
willful malfeasance, crimes, and the selling out of america. The Bush crowd were cowards, arrogant with a deadly misguided belief in a mythological John Wayne America.
They took a surplus and turned it into an economic calamity that will take decades to remedy, while showing a ‘what me worry’ attitude.
They started two wars and then issued tax cuts at the very moment the revenue was needed for the wars.
Republicans got Americans killed and wounded and then laughed about it.

The DOW has gone nowhere for several months now.
Posted by: For the Record
not too surprising you fail to mention where the DOW was in Jan 09 to where it is now…. coincidence? I think not
Posted by: PO’d | Mar 5, 2010 9:12:57 PM
It was irrelevant to the statement that companies are scared. The DOW recovered much of what it lost as investors recouped losses. Obama had nothing to do with that. Make your case for his influence and I’ll listen.
Since October, the markets have become hesitant since last fall because IMO they are unsure of where the President is headed. One day he is promoting business, the next he is bashing fat cats. People who actually have a great deal at stake are not going to risk their hard earned investments for anyone – including Obama. You are foolish to think otherwise. They don’t really care who’s in the WH as long as they are assured they can invest in the market and profit.

So if you want to help the job situation, go the extra mile and look for the made in the U.S.A. label.
Posted by: Lydia | Mar 5, 2010 8:55:20 PM
In a lot of cases, it is too late for that. Globalization is “out of the box” and companies go elsewhere for cheaper labor and fewer restrictions.
Take Intel for example. They have upgraded many of their manuf facilities as newer technologies are created. But when was the last time they built a new facility in the US? They have built in Ireland, India, Israel, Vietnam and now China. What did you expect? They are only doing what the world wants: globalization. They can still control their facilities (they really have to or the chips won’t work) and they can do it cheaper elsewhere. And now you are whining about it.

“Just in my middle-class family, in the last ten years our premiums have doubled and our deductibles are higher”
So a typical price for a family policy that cost $200 dollars 10 years ago under an employer based plan now cost that person about $300 a month. If you got any raises this should have offset some of the increases.
Posted by: david | Mar 5, 2010 9:20:50 PM
In 1993, I made $18.50 an hour as an independent contractor. Doing the exact same work now, I make $30-$40 an hour. I am out of work right now, but I am still paying my mortgage, insurance premiums that include medical, dental, vision, disability and long term care.
I am also middle class. Our gross income has never been over $90,000 combined, even though sometimes I have worked two contracts at the same time.
re: disability insurance, I bought my own policy ($89 a month) in 1990 just in case I needed it. Have never used it but it’s what responsible people do.
re: long term care, we decided we do not want to be in a State run facility and have no children so about 5 years ago we started paying $3600 a year for LTC. We took it upon ourselves to control our last few years.
We have pretty reasonable HC rates now and of course rates have gone up and deductibles too – but after retirement, we will have to pay ourselves. My wife has worked a long time with her company and when they were bought out by someone else, they negotiated a 50% HC subsidy for the old company. She stuck with them for that and other benefits.
Nothing personal to anyone’s situation, but it’s all part of working hard, saving money and making choices.
Just drive to a gas station and watch the people going in and out of the minimart. So many people live minute to minute and don’t plan for anything. They waste all kinds of money doing that stuff. I did it too when I was young but it is much worse now. Minimarts have infiltrated all the neighborhoods.
Just sayin…

For the record, how am I whining?
I was surprised at the grocery store that some of the frozen veggies came from China. Now isn’t that a little crazy, to ship food that must be needed by their huge population, all the way around the world to us?
Posted by: Lydia | Mar 5, 2010 9:35:47 PM
I’m sorry I didn’t mean you personally.
re: frozen veggies. If you think in terms of millions of pounds of frozen veggies, you can start to make sense of it. Not to mention all the environmental restrictions here. I’m not saying it is particularly a good idea but it is what it is. I would suspect that import/export trade balance is pretty complicated stuff and the negotiations must be something to witness. But I understand what you are saying. Some of it does not make sense. I just don’t think it can all be lumped into the Buy American slogan.
So make a statement and buy local. You’ll pay a little more maybe a lot more but you’ll feel better.

Most of us have a slimy stockbroker standing in between us and our doctors, if we rely on private insurance.

Health care reform will not only create medical profession jobs, it will free up money for people to buy the items they need but can’t afford now, creating many jobs.
Posted by: Lydia | Mar 5, 2010 9:01:20 PM
I have yet to see anything concrete on what EXACTLY the bill will do. We were sold a bill of good on the stimulus plan and now they are hedging with the “it was just an estimate” claim. Somehow I am suspicious when any government starts throwing around rosy numbers. You are very trusting.

Most of us have a slimy stockbroker standing in between us and our doctors, if we rely on private insurance. — posted by Flash Overdrive
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You may have a ‘slimy’ corporate executive between you and your doctors. You may have an insurance ‘expert’ between you and your doctor, but I highly doubt a stockbroker is involved in health insurance coverage decisions.

Since October, the markets have become hesitant . . .
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 5, 2010 9:20:18 PM
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The poster said “Since October . . .”
Nonsense.
On October 1st Dow Jones was at 9500. On October 31st the Dow Jones was at 9750.
Today the Dow Jones is at 10,560.

In the past year the Dow Jones has gone from 6700 to 10560 – an almost 58% increase.
Tierra, the poster didn’t say the stock market hasn’t changed. He/she said it had become hesitant…as in only minor flucations over recent weeks/months.
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p.s. – when the Dow has shot up 58% in one year, any rational person might expect it to slow or even decline slightly. The stock market typically rises in a series of up and down movements.

On October 31st the Dow Jones was at 9750. Today the Dow Jones is at 10,560.
This is the second day in a row you’ve been posting this lie.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 9:50:41 PM
Oct 1, the Dow closed at 9,500
Oct 19, the DOW closed at 10,092
Oct 31, the Dow closed at 9,750
Feb 8, the DOW closed at 9,908
Today the DOW closed at 10,560
The DOW has been up and down since October. Since October 19th, it has gone nowhere (up 468 points). Is that what a half of a percent? The market is dazed and confused and I think investors are sitting on the sidelines. It’s not a lie. It is my opinion.

Tierra, you called the poster a liar because he/she said the market was hesitant.
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Nonsense, the poster said “Since October .. .”
On October 1st Dow Jones was at 9500. On October 31st the Dow Jones was at 9750.
Today the Dow Jones is at 10,560.
Even if you take the latest date(October 31), the Dow Jones is still up uup 8%.
That’s a 8% rise in the stock market since October. 8% in 4 month is not “hesitant”. That is a lie.

Nonsense.
On October 1st Dow Jones was at 9500. On October 31st the Dow Jones was at 9750.
Today the Dow Jones is at 10,560.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 10:02:23 PM
As I said, On Oct 19th, the Dow closed at 10,092. Who’s cherry-picking their numbers now?
Now if you want to discuss why the market is as you say naturally leveling off after a big gain, that discussion makes sense to me.
Cherry-picking numbers and calling me a liar – especially after I thanked you yesterday for correcting me and then you rubbed my nose in it – that’s just bad form.

Since October 19th, it has gone nowhere (up 468 points). Is that what a half of a percent?
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 5, 2010 10:10:14 PM
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No it’s almost 5% rise!

We have to have some small sense of protectionism, just like other countries have.
Posted by: Lydia | Mar 5, 2010 10:15:12 PM
I definitely agree with that. The trade imbalance always bothers me.
My wife’s salary has definitely not doubled either. She has contented herself with providing the benefits and savings for us. They have been invaluable to us over the long term.
I hope you see what I mean about taking personal responsibility for things that are likely to come up down the road. The disability and long term care for us was a choice we made based on our circumstances. We pay it and forget about it – sort of like taxes only I don’t think we’re getting our money’s worth there!
The interesting thing about this whole mess is I think personal debt is decreasing while public debt is increasing. Hopefully people will come out of this with more buying power than ever before and they will remember this struggle when the credit card offers start coming in again.

No it’s almost 5% rise!
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 10:23:03 PM
I knew I was bad at math.
I still stand by my statement. The market has gone nowhere since October.

No it’s almost 5% rise!
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 10:23:03 PM
I knew I was bad at math.
I still stand by my statement. The market has gone nowhere since October.
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 5, 2010 10:28:06 PM
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You are foolish to stand by that statement.
For the Dow Jones to have gone up close to 5% in less than 4 months is NOT ‘going nowhere’.
If this ‘going nowhere’ went on for a full year, the market would go up about 15% in one year.
Sorry, this is not ‘going nowhere’ by anybody’s definition.

You are foolish to stand by that statement. For the Dow Jones to have gone up close to 5% in less than 4 months is NOT ‘going nowhere’. If this ‘going nowhere’ went on for a full year, the market would go up about 15% in one year. Sorry, this is not ‘going nowhere’ by anybody’s definition.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 5, 2010 10:31:35 PM
Oct 19 – 10,092
Oct 31 – 9,750
Feb 8 – 9,908
Mar 5 – 10,560
The DOW has been up and down since October. Since October 19th, it has gone nowhere (up 468 points). The market is dazed and confused and I think investors are sitting on the sidelines.

By the way, For The Record – there is almost nobody anywhere on the planet involved in economics who is not concerned about what happened during the last economic collapse – and who aren’t concerned about keeping further immediate or coming damage at bay.
It is a major and obvious concern – world wide.

progressive mama, I’m glad that you make the extra effort. I actually had fun buying local Christmas gifts this year by shopping at local craft fairs and one consignment shop we have in town for hand-crafted goods.
Wal-mart kills too many locally-owned stores. I hope people wake up to the fact that the absolute lowest price means someone got ripped off… be it a worker at that store, a local storeowner, an American worker losing their factory job or a worker at a supplier not getting a cost-of-living raise.
Good night.

Posted by: graymatter | Mar 5, 2010 11:12:07 PM
George Bush responded to ‘something in his gut’ and we know where that got us . . .

I realize that inflation affects more than just HC, though. Listen, I feel for anyone who deals with this and I want to change it. There are a bunch of people in this country who make career choice based only on benefits….
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 5, 2010 10:43:58 PM
Ftr, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned inflation. Sometime take a gander at real wages from, say, 1969 or 1970 to now– those are wages adjusted for inflation. Also look at real wages for those in managerial versus non-managerial positions. Last year, wages dropped about 1.6 percent while inflation was something like 2.7 percent, exacerbating that loss. Medical costs rose over 3 percent after rising ove 5 percent in 2007– and premiums are trending toward doubling every seven years. You can also pick a state and look at how much more individual and family health insurance premiums rose when compared to income.

Clueless President Obama is at it
again!
Snowstorms and weather in general
have nothing to do with workers
losing their jobs!
Either the president thinks the
American people are idiots or he has
no clue regarding the economy and jobs!
The bottom line is the president is
still trying to push his
unconstitutional healthcare bill down
our throats while millions upon
millions of Americans are out of work!
The unemployment rate is still 9.7%!
Where are the “shovel ready jobs” that
the 800 billion dollar stimulus bill was
supposed to provide?
The economy is in a shambles despite the
Whitehouse spin and your foreign
policy is a disaster.
Jimmy Carter looks good compared to
you at this point in time!
2012 can’t come soon enough!

TO progressive mama,
That’s because kids see Obama as just another cartoon figure. They don’t yet realize the long term debt they will pay thanks to this imbecile.
Click my name (below) to show how you feel.

That’s because kids see Obama as just another cartoon figure. They don’t yet realize the long term debt they will pay thanks to this imbecile.
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Boy, I’d hate to see what you think of George Bush who doubled the national debt during the ‘good’ times – putting it all on the taxpayer’s childrens’ backs – BEFORE he presided over the almost complete collapse of the American economy which only threw us further into deficit and further into debt.

There is a LOT more than We the People should tolerate… in just 241 more days, Obama (the Prince of Fools) and his sheeple, are going to find out that we PASSED that tolerance line many MONTHS ago!

The ironic thing here is that the policies of the Obama Administration, an overblown buget, so called health care reform which will increase costs, increase taxes and decrease both availability and technological innovation, a cap and trade fiasco which will increase energy costs dramatically and other so called Progressive ideals, have had the effect of causing businesses to postpone expansion, become cautious and go into a holding pattern until the exact damage done to the economy thru the eventual passage of any of these bad ideas is known. Obama’s actions continue to betray Obama’s rhetoric.

What happened to “the American people are tired of politicians who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to fiscal responsibility”? That was the message three weeks ago. Now Senator Bunning is a pariah and Obama’s calling for benefits to be extended through the end of the year with no mention of where that money is coming from. Oh, and he wants to give small businesses loans to make their payroll but won’t drop the healthcare bill or cap and trade plans when it’s uncertainty over those things that’s keeping small businesses from bringing on more employees.

Posted by: Nephron | Mar 6, 2010 9:46:44 AM
Right. Because you can never blame a bad harvest on the season preceding fall. And you’ve never heard of reaping what’s been sown. And despite the fact that Bush nearly destroyed the country and the Dems are picking up the pieces– its better to simply blame the ones picking up the pieces for not doing it perfectly or the way you’d like (and nevermind that the way you’d like is likely associated with what helped nearly destroy us, you have special knowledge — why can’t others understand that. LOL.)
The collective amnesia is really stunning.

When Obama’s people came up with the current unemployment figures, did they subtract the 1.4 million temporary workers for the US census?

Carry that flag tierra! I get the feeling that if Obama said the sky was red you’d believe it….

I know lots of business owners. Everyone of them says the current business environment sucks….I don’t know where this current administration gets it’s information…

Pay no attention, the almost complete collapse of the economy under the last Republican president has had no effect on America.
The collapse of major banks and financial institutions under the last Republican president has had no effect on America.
The over 700,000 people losing their jobs – means nothing.
The doubling of the national debt under Bush – means nothing.
It is all Obama’s fault and the Democrats. Do not listen to any other information, do not listen to common sense.

Posted by: catman | Mar 6, 2010 1:08:44 PM
catman you’d prefer we all work for Macdonald’s fast food wages? That’s where we’d be . . .

tierra,,,,andrew stern, head of the s.e.i.u. has been appointed by the president to sit on his commission regarding the national debt. isnt that enough to make you ill?
Posted by: catman | Mar 6, 2010 1:20:15 PM
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Not at all. It’s a major union and there input on how to reduce debt could be crucial. I’m not biased against unions.

tierra…the only union bigger than the s.e.i.u…is the SOVOIET UNION.take the operating engineers, $7.25/hr goes to health care alone and you have to work 125 hours before you have benfits if you fall below or are laid off you lose your benefits and the union keeps the money.pretty slick

unions have killed this country.we need ronald regan back big time.
Posted by: catman | Mar 6, 2010 1:53:11 PM
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If it wasn’t for unions, we’d all be earning Macdonald’s fast food wages . . . I am not biased against unions.
GM, Chrysler major failing was not keeping up with the small car innovations of the foreign competition. They were simply outsold. Their models failed.
The U.S. has been very slow in keeping up with trends in smaller is better, green technology.

tierra…andrew stern need a cicle and and a hammer. evry time when you start to think that oabama cant be that stupid, you relaize that he is not and his actions, if unchecked, will lead to european socialism at best.consequently you have to ask your self which is worse? being stupid or being and idealouge h@ll bent on socialism. id rather go with stupid beacuse that can be fixed.unfortunately, i dont think he is stupid.

The best thing Obama could do to create jobs is to resign.

terra…the $7.25/hr…goes to health care they never see. that keep up the minimum hours.
Posted by: catman | Mar 6, 2010 3:04:08 PM
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Like I said . …
So, if we estimate 35 hours work-week, that’s $253 a week to health care. Or in other words, about $1000 a month or $12,000 a year in health care costs.
Wow. And people say we don’t need health insurance reform. $60,000 ever 5 years.

terra…as usual, your missing the point, they are paying into something they wont get and its costing their employer 7.25 an hour for something no one gets but the union. this why we and other busisness wont hire anyone now.i sit on a board that deals with obama money and weatherization.instead of employing 3 people at 15 an hour we have to spend 45 an hour for one person because of the prvailing union wage requirement. how lame can it get. thats how you end up with spending 436,000 to create one job. i would be out of business in short order..GUESS WAHT WE ARE. instead of employing 3 we git one.

I say again-if the only answer to the Obama administration’s massive spending is “George Bush did it” what was the point of electing Obama?If what Bush did on a smaller scale was bad,how can you defend Obama’s even worse financial irresposibility?And it is worse-much worse.

See the latest Maclean’s article on Obama’s spending.

All of the whining about deficits would be alot more credible if it came from people who at least mentioned it during the last 10 years. But thats just the DFH’s of the anti-war movement, isn’t it?

If what Bush did on a smaller scale was bad,how can you defend Obama’s even worse financial irresposibility?And it is worse-much worse.
Posted by: Nephron | Mar 6, 2010 4:44:47 PM
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Nephron give your head a shake.
Bush doubled the national debt during the ‘good’ times – and then presided over the almost free-fall collapse of the economy – which created more deficit and more debt.
Obama has been dealing with an extreme situation – one that is very tough on deficits – a collapsed economy bordering on a depression.
If you can’t see the difference you need to have your vision checked.

Obama is throwing lip service to the private sector for hiring more people. What business needs is for the fed to cut the corporate tax rate down to at least 25 percent. Anything else is just blowing frts in the wind. Health care comes first, the war and jobs are josting for second place. This adm is a waste.

Republican corruption dwarfs all….

With some many millions still unemployed, why is Obama saving $300+ billion from the stimulus to spend of the 2010 elections?

The conservatives claim George Bush did such a great job, but they should be disowning him, he ran up a deficit way beyond anything ever before, and they call that conservative? I’d call it radical. If that is conservative, I, being an independent, would rather see a democrat in the white house, however, given a REAL choice, I think a third party would do the nation a world of good. Less polarization between three or more parties = less gridlock!

Flash Override | Mar 7, 2010 11:56:22 AM….I was wrong until recently on Iraq. But, I now think it was wrong and costly. The tax cuts were higher percentage wise for the lower and middle income than the upper. Bush spent way tooooo much; but Obama’s spending is much higher thans Bush’s.

“What business needs is for the fed to cut the corporate tax rate down to at least 25 percent.”
25 percent is about the level of the actual (effective) tax rate on US corporations at the moment. This is actually much lower though, because it doesn’t count money they squirrel away overseas or hide with other tax dodges.
Most major US corporations, and many foreign corporations doing business in the US pay no effective corporate profit taxes at all.

I say again-if the only answer to the Obama administration’s massive spending is “George Bush did it” what was the point of electing Obama?If what Bush did on a smaller scale was bad,how can you defend Obama’s even worse financial irresposibility?And it is worse-much worse. Posted by: Nephron >>>>> WELL Said!!!!!! And another angle what stories would the papers be printing if Bush was still president???
I seem to recall a SMALL movement while the unemployment was at 5% and it was the lead STORY for days.

GeorgieBushie… My sentiments exactly!!!

Bush doubled the national debt during the ‘good’ times – and then presided over the almost free-fall collapse of the economy – which created more deficit and more debt.
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During the good times? What was so peachy about 9/11/2001? What was so “marvy” about Katrina’s damage to the Gulf Coast region? Yeah, yeah, President Bush was late in responding to Katrina, but the federal government spent millions and millions on Katrina response.
What was so absolutely wonderful about fighting terrorists in Afghanistan?
Come on, tierra, tell all of us just how smashing the US had it during the Bush administrations. Please do explain how NONE of President Bush’s spending was for necessary stuff.

It’ not that complicated malcat – the economy was supposedly in ‘good’ shape under Bush – yet during this time he failed to pay for 2 wars, a major seniors prescription drug plan and tax cuts for the rich. All of this was put off onto the next administration, and future generations.
Then the economy almost went into almost free-fall collapse on his watch – projecting the country into even more debt and deficit.
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Tierra, why didn’t you respond to my post about things in my post? 9/11, Katrina…remember those?
Attacking Afghanistan to disrupt al Qaeda training camps….surely you remember that.
You are constanting ranting about how much President Bush spent while ignoring the disasters that happened during his administrations.
You just did it again. But I’m not surprised…not with you. Your blind prejudice makes you incapable of seeing anything but what you want to see.
I gave you a chance, again, and you failed.

When Bush ran into difficulties, he could have chosen to pay for them (the economy was ‘good’) – instead he chose to slough the costs off onto the next administration – and future generations.
And then he presided over the biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression.
He left the country in terrible shape.
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When he ran into ‘difficulties’, tierra. Is that what you call a terrorist attack that killed 3000 people. A hurricane that devastates most of the Gulf Coast is a ‘difficulty’? Fighting a war is a ‘difficulty’?
I believe those injured or who lost loved ones on 9/11/2001 would consider that more than a difficulty. I would think the hundreds of thousands of people left homeless by hurricanes would call the loss of everything they owned something a little stronger.
Please tell our wounded warriors from the Afghan War it was just a difficulty. You probably would find families of those killed might disagree with your choice of word.
You again demonstrate just how blind and prejudiced you are. People like you scare me. You practically worship at Obama’s feet….blind to ANY wrong he may do. I hope there are not a lot like you.
Difficulties….sheesh!

Posted by: malcat | Mar 7, 2010 7:46:29 PM
And again, you fail to acknowledge that Bush didn’t pay for the problems he faced, but rather sloughed them off on the next administration and future generations. And then he presided over a major collapse of the economy that left the debts further increased and the deficit further increased – and handed over a complete mess to the next administration, and future generations.

OBAMA BUYS 11 MILLION VOTES WITH YOUR TAX DOLLAR
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL BE THE 30 MILLION COVERED UNDER PROPOSED HEALTH CARE PLAN
Breaking News – Los Angeles
We have an answer to the question of WHO 10.8 MILLION of the projected 30 million that will be covered under the so-called “health care bill” – illegal aliens.
The Los Angeles Times reported today that:
Obama will rush Democrats to pass health care and then immediately “advance an immigration bill through Congress before lawmakers became too distracted by approaching midterm elections.”
Los Angeles Times reported that the basis of a bill would include a path toward citizenship for the 10.8 million people living in the U.S. illegally.
Obama leaves for his homeland – Indonesia on March 18 – and conveniently misses a pro-immigration march in Washington on March 21st.

Obama is going to cram this health scam thru and then as several libs have hinted at—they are going to give the illegals citizenship so they can vote these crooks back in upping everyone’s taxes and overwhelming our social services. I say start impeachment of Obama and buds.

Treason, embezzlement, fraud are all impeachable….Obama needs to be impeached and tried.

Mr. Obama should call Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton and ask for a little advice. He is clearly out of his league.

“when a government is dependent upon banksters for money,they and not the leaders of the government control the situation,since the hand that gives,is above the hand that takes…money has no motherland…financiers are w/o patriotism and w/o decency… their sole goal and object is gain” – Napoleon Bonaparte
CAMPAIGN FOR STATE BANKS
“if the American people ever allow private banksters to control and issue their currency, the people and their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their forefathers conquered” – Thomas Jefferson”….
the power to issue and control the currency/money, must be given back to the people to which it rightly belongs” – Thomas Jefferson….
“private central banksters controlling the peoples money are more dangerous than standing armies” – Thomas Jefferson….
time to END THE FED and big government for good..Ron Paul’s bill HR 1207 to audit the fed,will sadly do nothing,as the federal reserve lawyers will cook the books and make everything look just dandy..an audit of the fed is sadly a waste of time we have preciouys little of left..
.the fed must be ABOLISHED..period
,and it can be done w/o nary a bill to get rid of it..with this new,honest,debt free,interest free, state banking money system,very much similar to Abe Lincoln’s greenbacks issued in 1862,and JFK’s silver certificates issued in 1963,the fed will die on its own accord..
state run banks ARE the solution..a new interest free paper currency issued in each of the 50 states backed by silver,
NO GOLD!..the banksters own nearly 96% of the worlds gold that they stole from the U.S. and the rest of the world with money they made from thin air on computers and printing presses! if we went back to a gold backed currency/money,the banksters would very quickly take back control of the money system..soooo NO GOLD BACKED MONEY OR G”GOLD STANDARD”..we had our money backed by gold in 1929 and the 1930’s..did it stop the great depression? NO
[ although gold would still retain a value 16-20 times greater than silver per the constitution]
each individual state would make their own $1,$5,$10,$20,$50,and $100 paper notes backed by silver[ex: $20 Texas silver note..under that "payable to the bearer on demand $20 in silver [when presented at any state bank,you could make a deposit or you would receive either $20 worth of 90% silver coin, 20-.999 silver dollars,4 - 5 oz. .999 silver bars,or 2 -10 oz, .999 silver bars],and all 50 state paper notes would be accepted in every state and abroad..having 50 different notes for the 50 sovereign states would make it extremely difficult for the banksters to take back control of the U.S. money system again.. a dollar would be 31.1 grams of silver[ONE OUNCE] as per the constitution..change for the new paper notes would be pre-1965 90% silver again[only 90% silver with 10% copper is hard enough to take the day to day pounding/ movement/exchanging and hold up],and 100% copper again for pennies..a state run honest money/banking system with interest free loans run by the people.. for the people.. there would be only a small administrative fee/ cost, to borrow money to pay state bank employees and mgrs. etc.
EX: you[or a small business starting up lets say ]were to borrow $205,000 for a $200,000 house/loan,you would pay back $205,000 over the next 5,10,or 15 years[ditto credit cards],instead of the present parasitic fractional reserve “debt money system” where you would buy a $200,000 house[or a $200,000 loan] and because of compounding interest, you would pay the private parasitic fractional reserve banksters nearly $1,000,000 over 30,40 or even 50 years for that original $200,000 loan that was lent money made from thin air..nothing in the first place..they didn’t actually “loan” you anything..not even a dime..THIS IS ABSOLUTE,UNADULTERATED INSANITY..
paying the banksters for money made from nothing..it just blows you away when you think about it..its hard to wrap your mind around.. just like 9-11
the private non-federal reserve is simply the greatest scam,fraud, and deception in the history of the world..bar none
IS IT ANY WONDER MANY OF US ARE DEAD BROKE AND BURIED SO DEEP IN COMPOUNDING DEBT WE WILL NEVER GET OUT IN A LIFETIME??
and living paycheck to paycheck?
this isn’t living..this is [debt] slavery and many don’t even realize they are lifetime debt slaves of the banksters..
it just doesn’t have to be this way much longer
state controlled banks with “honest” money, will bring back manufacturing and real jobs
a nation that is prosperous MUST produce goods folks..
3rd world countries don’t produce goods.. by definition,
the U.S.A IS now a 3rd world country..
a petition page will soon be up at WEB OF DEBT.COM
where you can sign it and DEMAND your state
implement state run banks! [unless you live in N.Dakota that already has state banks]
..BANKS AND “OUR” MONEY CONTROLLED BY WE THE PEOPLE..
talk about PROSPARITY RETURNING TO AMERICA..
imagine paying $500-$1,000 for a new car again..
of course a new state bank silver dollar will have the purchasing power of a 1913 dollar..but we can start all over again as a nation,
and bring ALL the troops home from abroad and have them protect OUR BORDERS! with 50 new sovereign state banks this country can be turned around in days
not months or years, but DAYS!

Mr Obama
PLEASE!
MORE JOBS LESS HEALTHCARE.