Mar 23, 2010 10:09pm
President Obama Jokes: I Guess We’ll Be Considered Smart Again for Another Four Weeks
President Obama had an amusing take on the fickle winds of Washington, D.C., and how in politics nothing succeeds like success.
To an aide today, reflecting on his legislative victory with health care reform legislation, he quipped: “I guess we’ll be considered smart again for at least another four weeks."
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Uh — you were never considered smart, dude — or is that dud?
Posted by: eatb | March 23, 2010, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Jake — how could you not be chosen for This Week? I am floored and very sorry for you. Hopefully it’s not too late.
Posted by: Bill Cash | March 23, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
I just heard the Dixie Chics song “I’m not ready to make nice” and thought how ironic it would be to play it for such an occassion.
Posted by: Jeff | March 23, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Though catchy, instead of the Dixie Chick’s song I think Obama should be playing Гимн Советского Союза or maybe The Internationale as he sinisterly signs this legislation that nobody was allowed to review prior to passage.
Posted by: Ed | March 23, 2010, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
and so, the ‘smart’ factor lasts just 4 wks???? what a bill America was sold, bought, connived, pulled, stretched….may we find a way to recover from the O’s vanity in LESS than 4 wks… just sayin…
Posted by: push2shove | March 23, 2010, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
And now it’s off to tour the country to “sell the Bill to the public” – after it’s already been signed into law. Any excuse to fire up Air Force One and burn some more tax dollars! Woop! Woop!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:07 am 12:07 am
so PO’d….ru saying it was in opposition to the bill? then whodunnit! there’s bad on each side of the fence, but not outtathebox for those who want ‘this’ to thwart the efforts of those ‘who don’t’ by staging a ‘look, see’….just sayin
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Note to Obama: Make that 4 seconds.
Posted by: Teddy | March 24, 2010, 12:37 am 12:37 am
The president’s comment assumes that
drinkers thought they
were smart to begin with!
This is by far the most clueless,
tone-deaf administration I have seen!
Even Bill Clinton knew better than to
go against the will of the people!
Well, Mr President, we’ll see how
smart you look after the elections in
November!
If I were you I would turn off the
TV early and try to figure out how
you are going to work with the new
Republican Majority in both houses.
Posted by: reaganfan | March 24, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
And now it’s off to tour the country to “sell the Bill to the public” – after it’s already been signed into law. Any excuse to fire up Air Force One and burn some more tax dollars! Woop! Woop!
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 24, 2010 12:07:09 AM
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Lose and whine . .. the credo of the Republican right.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am
The president’s comment assumes
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Now that IS clever! Did you think that up yourself!? Amazing! I’m glad you’re not just parroting something you read somewhere that people have been using as a cheap insult for months. I appreciate your independent thinking and originality . .
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 12:47 am 12:47 am
me thinks w/the angst of the unknown ‘factor’ in those who love our country AS FREE PEOPLE, vs. enslaved to the govt. in chains, tierra may find kool aid a welcome respite from the fray….set ‘em up joe! for me, I’ll have liberty, thanks!
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 1:02:21 AM
FREEDOM belongs to every citizen – sorry, the exclusive rights to freedom do NOT belong to the Republicans – much as they try to claim that.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 1:06 am 1:06 am
on that we can agree my friend, however, your view of FREEDOM imposes on mine…so what say you that we do ’bout that?? you’re gonna take my piggy bank b4 I can get 2 yours??
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 1:14 am 1:14 am
on that we can agree my friend, however, your view of FREEDOM imposes on mine…so what say you that we do ’bout that?? you’re gonna take my piggy bank b4 I can get 2 yours??
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 1:14:47 AM
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Your boy Bush already stole the national debt up to $10 trillion dollars paying for his neo-con wet dream attack on Iraq and stole more from our pockets cutting taxes for the rich – your version of FREEDOM imposes on mine.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 1:18 am 1:18 am
sorry tierra, not a bushy fan, nor repub…so can you rephrase that in language I can understand? I’m an independent, just wonderin why our congress sold their soul for THIS healthcare plan…2 many deals, 2 much undercover, and whatever I said or the other 60% of Americans said was ignored….gotta good reason I missed somewhere? musta not been a headliner, cuz I pay attn….pretty close….guess I gotta wait 2 see how good it is, right?
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 1:29 am 1:29 am
the will of the people
Posted by: reaganfan
I will remind you of the obvious…
- the ‘will of the people’ (white people) once allowed slavery
one of the more over used cliches, the ‘right’ uses nowadays
Posted by: PO'd | March 24, 2010, 1:31 am 1:31 am
I’m an independent, just wonderin why our congress sold their soul for THIS healthcare plan…2 many deals, 2 much undercover
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What deals EXACTLY do you think will be in the final bill? You say there are ’2 many’ – how many deals and which ones do you think will be in the final bill?
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
ru saying it was in opposition to the bill?
Posted by: push2shove
well, when local ABC reports that death threats are made against the children of those who support HCR, It’s not that far a reach to imagine that the folks who made the threats didn’t support the bill… and the brick with Goldwater’s words, speaks for itself….
you imply that it might be a setup by the ‘left,
that’s a bit of a reach, considering that the Dems won on the issue and it was signed into law by the president.
interesting that breaking windows of political opponents, and death threats were the methods of choice…..
check out ‘Kristallnacht’ in pre-WW2 Germany,
not exactly the same…. but you might find it illuminating
Posted by: PO'd | March 24, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am
tierra…there should be NONE!!! nuf said
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 2:03 am 2:03 am
tierra…there should be NONE!!! nuf said
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 2:03:45 AM
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In order for me to take your comments seriously I have to know what you know.
You say there are ’2 many’ deals in the bill – how many deals and which ones do you think will be in the final bill?
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 2:08 am 2:08 am
gotta good reason I missed somewhere?
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children and others with pre-existing conditions who have had their insurance cancelled or who are denied coverage.
that’s a pretty good reason, if you just want one.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 2:09 am 2:09 am
PO’d…sorry my friend, my point was could go one way or the other, wasn’t there, not a witness, but tired of ‘blame’ on folks who have vehemently opposed this bill…you chose sides, I haven’t…yet we’re all ‘alike’ in your mind. Main point is there is dissention on this reform by a majority of the Americans that are 2 foot the bill…if they dissent, what is the win/win here?? no effort was made 2 cut the cost, just add burden to an already laden system w/debt as far as we can see….no opposition to covering those w/nothing, nor pre-existing, but all of this costs $$’s??!! & where is it going to come from? China?? We are deluding ourselves if we think we can just ‘reform’ & the $$ will come….pot ‘o gold? under the rainbow? plsssssssss!!!!! & don’t worry ’bout ‘illuminating’ me ok? rather insulting….
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 2:19 am 2:19 am
Main point is there is dissention on this reform by a majority of the Americans that are 2 foot the bill…
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According to the a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted on Monday, a day after the historic legislation passed the House of Representatives, 49 per cent of respondents said the bill was a “good thing,” while 40 per cent considered it a “bad thing”.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 2:29 am 2:29 am
shucks, thought no one ’round here believed in polls anymore ;) but if you thought it was ‘free’ would you not say ‘yes!’ all inclusive, whatever you want? yeah, sign me up!! except I don’t want to take other people’s $$ to have that….I’d rather have liberty & freedom & pay my own damn way!
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 2:46 am 2:46 am
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 2:46:51 AM
The point was you’re wrong about dissension of the majority on this bill – but in this country you’re free to be wrong – so you’re obviously exercising your freedom but it doesn’t mean you’re right – you’re wrong.
And you can’t tell me what of the ’2 many’ deals you mentioned you think will be in the final bill. So, what are we left with – almost nothing.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 2:52 am 2:52 am
props to prog mom . ..
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 2:53 am 2:53 am
sorry, progressive mama….have no problem w/the parts of the bill that cover pre-existing conditions or cancelled/denied coverage, would be a better bill w/tort reform cuz that causes us more grief, $$ …I DO have a problem w/ a mandate to BUY coverage….@ a level set by the govt., an IRS agent to make me comply…no, that is not the govt. I want….but you may….
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 2:55 am 2:55 am
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 2:55:27 AM
You say there are ’2 many’ deals in the bill – how many deals and which deals specifically do you think will be in the final bill?
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 2:59 am 2:59 am
sorry Tierra…just an avg citizen who is UNHAPPY! so let me note my gripe
WE CAN”T AFFORD IT!!
do you have a budget? 2 many credit cards maxxed? that’s the state of our union, so we should lump another trillion on it?
& fuggetabout tryin to tell me it’s paid for….
no fuzzy math….you can’t sign on for XXX if you save V & V is a $….
boggles my mind why you think this is doable, tho…must have a magic crystal ball…
Posted by: push2shove | March 24, 2010, 3:10 am 3:10 am
It’s so humorous to see Obama’s long-suffering expression when Biden busts out with his dorky, ungraceful comments. Biden is like the well-meaning but uncouth Dad who is always embarrassing his smoother, cooler son. :)
Posted by: Chiara | March 24, 2010, 4:02 am 4:02 am
You can’t fool me Obama. While this arrogant elitist tells the nation not to spend money you don’t have at Las Vegas, Obama throws money around like he’s having a water fight. GM bailouts, tarp, bank bailouts, government stimulus spending on . . . more government, health care, more government stimulus, . . . And he’s telling US to be frugal? Obama is only after one thing – controlling Americans. If he can keep the largest voting bracket – the middle class – dependent on big government for perpetuity – then he’s got the monopoly on power for perpetuity. This is all health care was about – control and power. The majority of the American people didn’t want this health care bill – but we are told to bend over and take it. The Democrats claim to be the party of the people, except they control from the top down to control the people, not serve them.
Posted by: EPU | March 24, 2010, 6:41 am 6:41 am
The Democrats are trying to impose the Master and Servant relationship onto the American people.
Posted by: EPU | March 24, 2010, 6:43 am 6:43 am
Smart I think not the majority still think your ignorant. Corrupt is the better word what most people will be thinking.
Posted by: Stewart | March 24, 2010, 6:47 am 6:47 am
“To an aide today, reflecting on his legislative victory with health care reform legislation, he quipped: “I guess we’ll be considered smart again for at least another four weeks.”" – ABC News
Ha ha ha ha!
Man is this boy out of touch!
Maybe a minority will consider him smart but the majority of the Country is thinking what a dummy we elected to office.
Posted by: Noz | March 24, 2010, 7:30 am 7:30 am
“Most of the major public policy changes embodied in the health care reform legislation will become effective only after the next presidential election in 2012”
. . . how convenient. And so continues Obama’s charade on Americans for his party’s perpetual monopoly of power.
Posted by: EPU | March 24, 2010, 7:32 am 7:32 am
Obama: “I guess we’ll be considered smart again for at least another four weeks” . . . “Don’t do it for me”.
Like Obama, Emperor Nero also was obsessed with himself. Nero like Obama, lived by the mantra of ‘manipulate the mob and you control the empire’. Like Obama, Nero was obsessed with being popular. Moreover, Emperor Nero, was carried away by a craze for popularity and was jealous of anybody (e.g Palin) who stirred the feelings of the mob.
Another Roman Emperor Gaius or Caligula, like Obama, was an inexperienced young man thrust into a position of unlimited power, the true nature of which had been carefully disguised – in Obama’s case by the media.
All 3 of these rulers have something in common, an egotistical pursuit of self aggrandizement. If ruling by an obsession with control and vanity did not fare well for the Roman Empire, then how will the result be any different for America?
Posted by: EPU | March 24, 2010, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Smart? No
Destructive, controlling, out of touch-yes.
Whoever on the rules committee that said there were no rules, that Obama/Dems were making things up as they go along–I agree.
Obama has pretty much been winging it all along. Not smart.
Posted by: mick | March 24, 2010, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Another massive entitlement program. When America has no jobs. When China owns us. When many states are broke, and America is almost bankrupt.
Obama thinks that is smart?
Posted by: ollie | March 24, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Sorry.
I’ve never thought Obama was very smart.
Book smart.
No common sense or people sense, which explains his aloofness.
The skill that got him into office?
Teleprompter reading.
And 90% of the media helping him.
Posted by: fran | March 24, 2010, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Why is THE MOST transparent president ever hiding behind closed doors to sign his executive order today?
Is THE MOST pro-abortion president ever afraid pictures of the signing will rain on his parade?
Where’s that courage Obama was bragging about a few days ago?
Posted by: sandee | March 24, 2010, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Posted by: push2shove | Mar 24, 2010 2:55:27 AM
re: tort reform, perhaps you can explain McAllen Texas then… or why Republicans won’t negotiate on both tort reform and the larger issues of medical errors and patient safety so that all are simultaneously addressed (you may want to read pieces by Atul Gawande– one specifically on McAllen Texas, but others on health care reform as well).
And yes, I prefer to live in a country that lives up to the premises and liberal ideals it was founded on, where the health care security of its own citizens is considered part of the security equation and liberty doesn’t just refer to the liberty to screw people over if you’re a corporation or corporate industry, but also to the liberty to switch jobs or start up businesses even when you or your child have a disability or illness that prior to now would have locked you into a job and the benefits available, given the rock and a hard place the individual and small group market puts its policyholders between in most states.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Posted by: fran | Mar 24, 2010 9:17:09 AM
So which politicians do you consider “smart” so we have an idea of whether your partisan and anti-book-smart opinion has any sway or merit to those with a broader outlook?
The teleprompter thing is getting old as many of his best moments come when he’s off the teleprompter (speech at George Mason last week, meetings with Republicans shown on CSPAN.)
LOL.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
March 23, 2010
Rep. Dingell: It’s taken a long time to ‘control the people’
Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), the Dean of the House of Representatives for being the longest serving member of the body (he was first elected in 1955, succeeding his father, Rep. John Dingell, Sr.), made an amazing admission during a live telephone interview with Detroit WJR News/Talk 760 radio talk show host Paul W. Smith on Smith’s show Monday morning, March 22, 2010. The night before, Dingell had been a featured speaker at the Democrat Congressional leadership victory press conference after Obamacare passed the House.
In response to a question posed by Smith about how many people will die before 2014 when the full bill goes into effect, Dingell said:
“Let me remind you this [Americans allegedly dying because of lack of universal health care] has been going on for years. We are bringing it to a halt. The harsh fact of the matter is when you’re going to pass legislation that will cover 300 [million] American people in different ways it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people.”
The comment by Dingell begins 6 minutes 23 seconds into the twelve minute-long podcast of his interview on Smith’s radio show. The podcast is titled “Congressman John Dingell tells Paul W. Smith he is thrilled with the passage of the health care bill.” It can be streamed or downloaded as an mp3 audio file from this page at WJR’s Web site.
Posted by: akw | March 24, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Hey America, bend over and grab your ankles because Obama and the Dems are about to give it to you good with this bill. Obama starts his political career in the living room of a radical leftist domestic terrorist in Billy Ayers. He sits in the church of a black bigot for 20 years and says he didn’t realize the man was a bigot. Come on people wake up!!!!!
Posted by: Ed | March 24, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
It isn’t smart to go against the American people. Obama is first and foremost a narcisist hence the “Pass this for me and my presidency” remark.
Posted by: Nancy | March 24, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am
I would like to hear some mainstream news reporter with the guts to ask Pelosi, Reid or any of these Democrat corrupt politicians WHY ARE THEY EXEMPT? Where in the Constitution does it say that Congress can exempt themselves? Even their STAFFERS and their families are EXEMPT. WHY???? Well, I know why: because this bill is a piece of crap, but I want to hear their reasons why they are exempt. Am I angry? Oh, yeah, and it’s not going away.
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Posted by: JoeM | Mar 24, 2010 9:53:53 AM
Exempt from what? The insurance mandate? The ban on denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions? What are you talking about and can you back it up with anything?
And then there’s this. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590) Sec. 1312(d)(3)(D): “The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are created under this Act; or offered through an Exchange established under this act.”
LOL.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Posted by: ontheright | Mar 24, 2010 9:56:53 AM
My question was ” perhaps you can explain McAllen Texas then… or why Republicans won’t negotiate on both tort reform and the larger issues of medical errors and patient safety so that all are simultaneously addressed (you may want to read pieces by Atul Gawande– one specifically on McAllen Texas, but others on health care reform as well).”
You didn’t respond to that. You reverted to namecalling and sour grapes.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
you are clueless and have no idea how tort reform has helped the state of Texas
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spell it out in detail. be very specific. I’d love to hear all about it.
but I may be able to refute many of your points. We’ll have to see if you have any.
LOL.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
A bullying, teleprompter-reading Marxist who managed to ram through this health care monstrosity using deception, threats, bribery, and control of the mainstream media, yes.
Smart, no.
Posted by: Cara C | March 24, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Smart enough to exempt himself and the other upperlevel staff from his health care bill.
Again if it’s so good why exempt themselves?
If it’s so good why did it take the MSM to sell it, bribes, payoffs, threats to get votes?
Obama, Pelosi, Reid–they are set for life. Their kids are set for life.
As America becomes poorer they become richer.
Smart. No
Sneaky, sleazy, self-serving. Yes
Posted by: fran | March 24, 2010, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Smart? How about HUBRIS! If Obama thinks because of the corruption, backroom deals, thug-style politics that this egregious bill passed that he is “smart” he has a huge surprise in store! Americans are angry and disgusted with this entire Congressional and DEM administration policies and procedures. Since they have chosen to turn a deaf ear to voters and constituents, I guess we will have our say in November! Obama is a hubris, corrupt and evil individual. He needs to be impeached.
Posted by: Pol Cat | March 24, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Hey Cara C – why don’t you do your own research?
Texas is 2nd in illegal immigration only to Kalifornia; Kali is going bankrupt and has no tort reform in place – Texas on the other hand, has tort reform in place (and many other conservative policies/laws) and is nowhere near bankruptcy, in fact, probably one of best state economies, if not the best in the US – you do the math.
Posted by: ontheright | March 24, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Posted by: fran | Mar 24, 2010 10:03:26 AM
How EXACTLY are they exempt? Can you cite the exemption?
Can you refute the post at 9:59:33 AM?
No?
What a shocker/sarc.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Way to stay on topic there progressivemama – your moniker says it all…
Keep up with the Texas jokes – just don’t try to come here when the rest of the Obamanation fails and everyone wants to “join” Texas…you can go to Obamalinsky for all your help and support…I’m sure 1 of the 100′s of new govt. organizations (created by this “health care” reform bill) will be happy to pay for your car/gas, your house/insurance – you won’t get my money.
Posted by: ontheright | March 24, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am
why don’t you do your own research?
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Still no information… what specifically has Texas gained from tort reform. List the advantages and disadvantages if you can… lol.
(p.s. it was me, not Cara C. who asked if you could back up your claims. Unwilling or unable? )
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am
You can keep your current plan, keep your doctor–IF you are an elite Democrat that voted for OCare, or helped draft it.
Obama is well on his way to putting Americans in their proper place.
Those shackled to the government.
And the elites like Obama, Pelosi, Hollywood, and Obama’s pals on Wall Street.
Posted by: kyle | March 24, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Posted by: ontheright | Mar 24, 2010 10:11:22 AM
I’m proud to be progressive and to represent for progress and the liberal ideals this great country was founded on.
As for education, this pretty much says it all: “Texas Board of Education cuts Thomas Jefferson out of its textbooks.”
LOL.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Many doctors have re-located to Texas due to lower malpractice insurance costs, due to tort reform. Liability insurance is lower for numerous occupations in Texas due to tort reform. Almost 500 thousand new jobs are attributed to tort reform (and, you can’t pick and choose your numbers: if you believe Obama’s numbers on the stimulus job creation, then you have to believe these numbers — of course, these numbers ARE a bit different: they’ve been proven).
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:18 am 10:18 am
PM – you can do your own research; I gave you a perfect example of the benefits of Tort reform vs. no Tort reform, if you’re too thick to get it, not my problem – I’m done with this biased site – posts are deleted when the liberal line is not toed exactly as the MSM goose-steppers mandate.
Posted by: ontheright | March 24, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Posted by: JoeM | Mar 24, 2010 10:10:19 AM
Finger wagging? Lectures about snark and pettiness? LOL.
From Steve Benen’s Political Animal Blog at Washington Monthly:
” Arizona Sen. John McCain (R) told the media on Monday about his outrage over the Democratic majority voting to approve legislation they support. He announced that, going forward, he would tell Dems to (stay off his lawn!) refuse to cooperate in the Senate’s legislative process. To punish Democrats for fulfilling their campaign promise to the nation, McCain said, “There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year.”
We saw the manifestation of this pettiness yesterday, when Republicans used an obscure rule to block any Senate hearings from continuing after 2 p.m. “
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
progressive mama, if you want anyone to believe your posts, then don’t think things out of context and post them as the truth. The Texas Board of Education did NOT cut Thomas Jefferson from textbooks. His writings on revolution were deleted from a list of approved reading. Get the facts straight and present them in a straight forward manner without your arrogant, condescending attitude and there may be someone who takes you seriously (thought I doubt it). You impress no one but yourself. But, hey, if that works for you, go for it!
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:24 am 10:24 am
progressive mama my comment about snarkiness was directed to YOU. Has nothing to do with politicians — again, take it out of context, spin it a bit and blame it on….Republicans. YOUR failings are your own — you make snide comments — and you end most with “LOL”. Arrogance, condescension, self-laudatory posts impress no one but the writer.
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am
you can do your own research; I gave you a perfect example of the benefits of Tort reform vs. no Tort reform, if you’re too thick to get it, not my problem – I’m done with this biased site – posts are deleted when the liberal line is not toed exactly as the MSM goose-steppers mandate.
Posted by: ontheright | Mar 24, 2010 10:21:24 AM
Except you didn’t. LOL. someone else appears to have stepped up with data.
As for leaving– at least in the comments JoeM chose to only call out me while defending you. I’m sure that wasn’t partisan or anything.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Smart? No. Deceptive and corrupt? Absolutely. A pliant and left wing press corp? Now you have it.
Posted by: bobmac | March 24, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Nothing partisan about my comment at all, progessive mama — I didn’t vote for Bush or Obama. I vote Libertarian. I fail to see the need for your condescending attitude in trying to get your point across, unless your point isn’t valid? Stick with facts, don’t spin, don’t take things out of context. If you have a valid point, that should be enough. IF. Big word, IF…
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
progressive mama my comment about snarkiness was directed to YOU.
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Obviously, that’s why I laughed about the finger wagging. It reminds me of old men screaming to get off their lawns and other types of scolds and THAT reminded me of McCain– and I brought it back to news. This is a news site.
I’ll leave it at that and move on to news. But rest assured I’m not into scolds– and they self righteous hypocrisy makes me laugh.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am
And your last post makes ME laugh, progressive mama! Bye!
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Well, looks like you guys got rid of progressive mama for a while, she couldn’t take the heat.
Posted by: I_ain't_no_stinking_politician | March 24, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Posted by: JoeM | Mar 24, 2010 10:31:28 AM
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if you were actually a Libertarian you wouldn’t be up in other people’s business quite so much or insisting on riding on my rear.
I make my choices.
How you feel is your problem. What you think I ought to do is your problem. It has nothing to do with me.
Move on.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Dear progressive mama, being Libertarian has to do with how I VOTE. I’m still entitled to my opinions. I sincerely apologize if my advice to you was not taken in the generous context in which it was given, but, well, quite frankly, the way you attack others on this board, and insult them, well…it kind of begged for it.
Posted by: JoeM | March 24, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken on Monday, a day after healthcare reform passed through the House, shows an increase of Americans now viewing the bill positively . . . more Americans are coming around and closing their ears to the Republican apocalyptic hysteria over the healthcare bill.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Republican apocalyptic hysteria . .. it’s all we’ve seen from them since the election.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am
A commenter linked to an opinion piece at The Federalist to provide evidence on the effectiveness tort reform in Texas. While there are numbers in it, it doesn’t link to the studies it cites and the numbers appear old.
I’m more persuaded by current news. For example, PBS ran an article called “Economists find mixed results on tort reform”:
A study by Michael Morrisey, a health care economist at the University of Alabama-Birmingham, found that in states with damage caps, medical practitioners paid up to 25 percent less for their malpractice insurance premiums.
Texas passed a medical liability law in 2004. Tom Royer, a physician and the CEO of CHRISTUS Health, a non-profit hospital system headquartered in Texas, says that before caps were put in place, the system’s medical malpractice costs had hit nearly $100 million per year. This year, its malpractice costs were $2.8 million.
“For us the savings have been remarkable,” Royer says.
But, according to Morrisey, those lower costs don’t necessarily get passed on to consumers. He found no difference in consumers’ employer-sponsored health insurance premiums between states with damage caps and those without.
“Try as we might we couldn’t find any effects,” he says.
Do you get that– there’s no evidence that savings have been passed on to the consumer.
Interestingly, in 2006, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama worked on legislation to address frivolous lawsuits,patient safety and so on. You can read their article at NEJM. Also, the president was open to negotiating on it. The Republicans didn’t accept the extended hand.
Regardless, tort reform continues to be explored as do other measures designed to bend the cost curve (via pilot programs in the legislation that was just signed.)
I highly recommend reading Atul Gawande. He is a highly acclaimed medical writer (and physician).
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Kali is going bankrupt and has no tort reform in place -
PBS (” Economists Find Mixed Results on Tort Reform: Amid the push for a health care overhaul, the Obama administration announced last week that it will spend $25 million on new research to reduce medical malpractice lawsuits, Sept 2009).:
“Over the past three decades,more than 30states have enacted laws to cap damages in medical malpractice cases. California was the first in 1975, when it set a cap of $250,000 on non-economic damages (compensation for pain and suffering, rather than lost wages), a limit that has remained steady.”
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am
I’m still entitled to my opinions.
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Of course, as I’m entitled to mine. And I think hypocrites in that regard aren’t exactly who I’d take advice from.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
“He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors” Thomas Jefferson
I think teaching students about John Calvin is rather chic. Calvin was influenced by the Augustinian tradition, which led him to expound the doctrine of predestination and the absolute sovereignty of God in salvation. Calvinism had many profound social implications such as thrift, industry, and hard work are forms of moral virtue and that business (material) success is evidence of God’s grace. These views created a climate favorable to commerce and in the establishment of modern capitalism.
Posted by: Possum Dearie | March 24, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am
” liberal used to mean in favor of individual liberty and now, since being co-opted by the left, means opposed to individual liberty.”
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The Republican right seems to think only they own the rights to ‘liberty’ – their sole property to be paraded around, bragged over and shown off.
Sorry, ‘liberty’ belongs to all, the Republican right does not have the copyright.
Posted by: tierra | March 24, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am
aside from the moral implications one must consider opportunity costs when discussing Tort Reform. Think of all the people, often well educated and even brillant, who use their talents trying to tear down businesses, sue nurses, and bankrupt doctors. Aside from money being saved directly (which is debateable) we are wasting talented people who could be doing GOOD for society instead of sueing charities, hospitals, nurses, doctors, small businesses, school districts, etc (and then taking 1/3 of the money from the alledgedly damaged victim)!
Posted by: Ed | March 24, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
When democrat socialists try to control the minutiae of the lives of the individual, you have no business using the word ‘liberty’ in a sentence.
Posted by: JR | March 24, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi won the debate within the Democratic caucus over whether to pass a maximalist bill. But they haven’t yet won the debate in the country, which will rumble on.
Americans oppose a massive takeover of healthcare. It’s a long time until 2012, but the health-care bill and the way it passed make it much harder for the President to obscure his ideological commitments. There’s even less reason than before for anyone to misunderstand what Obama and party are fundamentally about.
Obama has been saying things about his bill that are untrue: It won’t make premiums go down; it won’t control costs; it won’t allow everyone who likes their current insurance arrangements to keep them. These false representations will make the bill more unpopular rather than less. (Rich Lowry, editor of the National Review)
Now the campaign is on to gin up fake support for this bill that required bribery and arm-twisting the likes of which this country has never seen and that will cost the Democrats dearly in November. As Obama tried to quip with his teleprompter, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.” OINK OINK Democrat piggies.
Posted by: Possum Dearie | March 24, 2010, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Posted by: Possum Dearie | Mar 24, 2010 11:28:17 AM
LOL. I agree with Josh Marshall from TPM
” I don’t doubt this is going to be a rough election for the Dems….But it’s time for Republicans to stop saying how bad it’s going to be and just go out and do it.
Make the arguments on substance. …You can’t be so transparently cynical with your riffs that they don’t even make sense on their own terms. They need to run on repeal. So, enough. The terms of the 2010 election are set. Stop puffing and threatening, shut up and bring it on.”
Meanwhile, the latest Gallup poll and the actual facts when it comes to the legislation dispute your post (and the highly incredible Rich Lowry. LOL. )
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 11:37 am 11:37 am
The Republican right seems to think only they own the rights to ‘liberty’ – their sole property to be paraded around, bragged over and shown off.
Sorry, ‘liberty’ belongs to all, the Republican right does not have the copyright.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 24, 2010 11:18:16 AM
not only that, based on they way they stomped on civil liberties and intrude in personal lives, I don’t think some of them even understand the concept. Instead they throw up red herrings. LOL.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Good Morning!
Well, it’s another beautiful day here in the United States of America! Yesterday, watching the President sign the Health Care Bill into law and listening to the Vice President gloating and cursing on camera, I threw off the shackles of capitalism and joined the progressives in their march to Utopia! I may even start cursing again!
Then I got out the old calculator and figured out that I can rake in plenty of entitlements from the government! Unemployment, retirement, Medicare, housing subsidies, insurance subsidies. It’s all right there in front of me! We’ve worked hard since we were old enough to work and “dang it!” we deserve what’s coming to us! Let the youngsters make up the difference!
So I think I’ll take all our savings, settle up with Uncle Sam, buy some gold and throw it in the safe! Who needs all that hassle of accounting for savings. If I need any cash, I’ll just sell an ounce of gold. And it helps with the entitlements if you can hide your assets!
And now with the advantages of progressive health care, I’m sure we’ll be able to work the system and get some help there too. When does that stuff kick in, anyway? Soon I hope. I’ve got pre-conditions that need to be overcome. Now are they gonna raise my rates cause of them pre-conditions or doe the President control that? I hope so. Well, at my new income level, there will probably be some subsidy there.
Plus I’ll still get enough itemized deductions to get refunds every year. Sure, I still have a mortgage and I’m underwater, but with my new meager income, there are plenty of solutions and the mortgage interest is still deductible.
It’s great to be free from all that hassle! And I have President Obama and all of you progressives here to thank for it! This whole ‘Bush ruined us/Obama will take care of us’ discussion has opened my eyes! I’m a born-again progressive!
Flame on!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
not only that, based on they way they stomped on civil liberties and intrude in personal lives,
Posted by: progressive mama | Mar 24, 2010 11:41:11 AM
What she said! Right on! True dat!
BTW, I’m new at this progressive thinking. When IS President Obama going to rescind the Patriot Act?
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am
The Republican right seems to think only they own the rights to ‘liberty’ – their sole property to be paraded around, bragged over and shown off.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 24, 2010 11:18:16 AM
Absolutely! I’m sick of seeing those Tea Party types walking around in those silly Revolutionary War costumes!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 24, 2010 11:43:11 AM
This is a great idea. I like free stuff and I only work because I had these crazy notions of self-determination and self-reliance (something my parents taught me – I’m going to have a few words with them).
Thanks for showing me the light! Where do I sign up?
Posted by: tjp612 | March 24, 2010, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Thanks for showing me the light! Where do I sign up?
Posted by: tjp612 | Mar 24, 2010 11:52:33 AM
That’s the great part! You don’t have to sign up! Just throw off the shackles and enjoy what you’ve got coming to you! I mean you may have to work the system a little but everybody does it right? Nothing illegal though. Just start doing your homework!
For example, I was going to pay off my mortgage when I retired. Used to be burning the mortgage and retiring came hand in hand. badge of honor and all. But now I’ve decided to just keep paying my mortgage so I can keep getting the tax deduction. It’s about 40% underwater and I’ll never live to see it paid off anyway. So when we “cross the river” the bank can have it back. We won’t be needing it anymore!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Can Obama’s smile get any bigger?
I hope not, it is disturbing..
A lot of giddy people.
It’s as if America’s massive debt is no big deal, because the Dems don’t hesitate to pile it on.
How can they pretend to care about children when almost all of their decisions dumps unsustainable debt on future generations?
Unless of course they plan to be out of office by then, dumping their mess onto the next administration.
Obama spends like a person with a new credit card–charge now I’ll worry about the bill later.
Spend like crazy–I’ll just go bankrupt to avoid paying.
But he won’t pay–we will.
Posted by: phillip | March 24, 2010, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
PO’d try learning your facts before
you post!
I grew up during the 1950′s and 1960′s
and it was the Southern Democrats
who held blacks back and denied them
equal rights.
Do the names George Wallace or
Lestor Maddox ring a bell?
The 1964 Civil Rights act was passed
due to Republican Party support and
many Democrats voted against it!
By the way did you know that one of
your heroes,Senator Robert C Byrd of
West Virginia is a former member of
the KKK? How do you lose that hate?
President Obama has not said one word
about Byrd’s racist past since he was
elected!
I guess it’s ok to be a racist if
your a Democrat!
Furthermore did you know that Lincoln
was a Republican?
Posted by: reaganfan | March 24, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken on Monday, a day after healthcare reform passed through the House, shows an increase of Americans now viewing the bill positively . . . Posted by: tierra | Mar 24, 2010 10:41:12 AM
Obviously a WHOLE BUNCH of Americans threw off the capitalist shackles yesterday just like me! I bet they make it a Federal holiday in a few years!
mmm mmm mmm
Barack Hussein Obama
He signed the bill.
It was a big “bleeping” bill, er, I mean deal.
mmm mmm mmm
Barack Hussein Obama
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Hallelujia! I’m cashing in my 401k and spend spend spend – I’ve got a few years before retirement, and I’d like to enjoy my money before it gets taxed away. I will let the much more intelligent young people who had the good sense to support Obama and his socialist policies support me in my elder years. No sense in leaving anything for the kids or grandkids, the government will tax it at 55% anyway. Oh, yes, it’s a brand new world, in which I no longer have to take responsibility for myself or anyone else – that is what our wonderful government is for.
Posted by: Robin | March 24, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
I grew up during the 1950′s and 1960′s
and it was the Southern Democrats
who held blacks back and denied them
equal rights.
Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 24, 2010 12:13:36 PM
Well, they were obviously supposed to be Republicans. In fact, later on the GOP went with their “Southern Strategy” that they devised to scoop up all the racist Democrats that were unhappy with the direction of the Democratic Party and converted them to Republicans.
And later on, Neil Young wrote a song about them. “Southern Man” was code for “Republican.”
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Hallelujia!
No sense in leaving anything for the kids or grandkids, the government will tax it at 55% anyway.
Posted by: Robin | Mar 24, 2010 12:31:06 PM
See now you’re thinking!
Convert your 401K to precious metals, settle up with Uncle Sam at the currently low rate and give your heirs gold bars instead! Or buy them all new cars or something! Make sure they are GM vehicles though so Obama gets the credit!
Become a progressive! You won’t regret it!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“You don’t have to sign up!”
I heard my chances for getting more free stuff goes up if I get a job with the government (preferable one represented by a union such as the SEIU). Is this true? Or am I better off just not working at all? At this point I’m leaning towards working on a cash-only basis so that I can get more free stuff and not pay taxes (no need for me to pay taxes – govt. will find money somewhere else, right? I heard Obama has a “stash”).
Appreciate the insight – I’m looking forward to this “Progressive Utopia” of which you speak. Thanks!
Posted by: tjp612 | March 24, 2010, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Does anyone knows what is it being a little sick or very sick and left alone
without medical help?
That happens in a country that is considered a first world power and shows to be one.
Have a little faith in changes that may be historically necessary to not show
a picture similar to India where people die on the street.
My concern is what should still be done to make sure that the money and the change really serve the purpose of making a more shining America…
Posted by: margy | March 24, 2010, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
It’s important to point out the differences between this bill and Social Security and Medicare.
Posted by: Possum Dearie | Mar 24, 2010 12:40:40 PM
Also, SSI and Medicare are programs where workers actually paid into the funds all the time you were working. It’s not really an entitlement – more like an end of career benefit like your company pension benefits (if you’re lucky or belong to a union). HC isn’t working like that.
Of course SSI and Medicare seem like a bad thing now because Congress hasn’t been able to keep their hands out of the cookie jar all these years. The programs have not been given a chance to prove themselves viable.
(Oops. Sorry, I slipped back into right-wing capitalist mode there.)
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
On Saturday March 20, 2010 we were US citizens. As of Sunday March 21, 2010, we are now subjects.
All Hail Obama!
All Hail the State!
Pacifists enjoy all the privileges of a civilized sociey yet bear none of the responsibilities.
Posted by: JamesJ | March 24, 2010, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
My concern is what should still be done to make sure that the money and the change really serve the purpose of making a more shining America…
Posted by: margy | Mar 24, 2010 12:50:02 PM
That is my concern too. But not to worry. The new Bill is creating over a hundred new agencies that will require billions of dollars to run and process tons of paperwork. So even though the money might not actually make it to the doctor or the patient, lots of govt agency jobs will be produced. And these new govt employees won’t tax the health care system because they have their own separate health care plans. In other words, progress.
(I am a little worried about the extra paper being used, though. That can’t be good for the forests. I hope the new agencies print on both sides of the paper and recycle. I would feel better if they did that.)
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
The fact is that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al, the entire gang that is working hard (they aren’t near done yet) to shift our nation from a republican democracy with a capitalist economy to a democratic dictatorship with government control over most major aspects of the economy, have nothing to worry about.
They are and/or will be very rich and very comfortable for the rest of their lives regardless of the consequences of their actions over the past year or so and those actions yet to come.
That is wrong. Everyone in our society that has undue control over our lives are held to high standards (doctors, police, others… even lawyers) and can and often are held personally responsible for willful misconduct, negligence and incompetence.
Politicians inarguable control far more of our lives in total and yet are not held responsible (beyond voting) for their actions.
In our society, as we’ve seen more than aptly demonstrated, politicians have created a system where they are actually rewarded for willful misconduct, negligence and incompetence.
Posted by: Dr. Deano | March 24, 2010, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Appreciate the insight – I’m looking forward to this “Progressive Utopia” of which you speak. Thanks!
Posted by: tjp612 | Mar 24, 2010 12:46:51 PM
No problem! I’ll give your questions some thought.
Gotta go for now. The View is coming on and I don’t wanna miss it. I hear they are going to be discussing Ann Coulter!
Posted by: For the Record | March 24, 2010, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
“not only that, based on they way they stomped on civil liberties and intrude in personal lives, I don’t think some of them even understand the concept. Instead they throw up red herrings. LOL.”
Try explaining civil liberties, freedom and privacy to Americans as you fine and jail them for not buying mandatory “free” healthcare. There’s 16,000 new IRS agents in the healthcare bill that are just as bad as the death panels.
Posted by: Possum Dearie | March 24, 2010, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
More like four hours, until people read the bill and see that children with pre-existing conditions aren’t actually guaranteed the coverage promised by Obama and that the federal government is encroaching on the states’ right to regulate the insurance companies and destabilizing the insurance industry which EMPLOYS people. I know, I know, they aren’t union jobs so that don’t count. Oh and senior DC congressional staffers are exempt from the laws they wrote!
The myth of the democrats being “for the people” has just exploded in our faces.
Posted by: w3bgrrl | March 24, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Well, hey! Progressive it is!
I am retiring early to lower my income level, so that I don’t have to pay taxes. I also will then qualify for food stamps, free cell phone and free transit in my state, Minnesota. Sweet! It’s my turn to leech off all the earnings I’ve paid in for the past 30 years.
I will be moving in with my parents, where we can combine our home-buying power, yet show low income tax levels separately, thus paying no or low taxes.
We all have guns, too.
I wonder what this out of control government will do when people like me cut say back and happily hunker down, and they lose our tax dollars in their coffers? How will they reward the “rightful owners of this country”, then?
By the way, who the hell are the rightful owners??? My ancestors have been here since the 1600′s. But, I guess that because I’m white, I’m not a rightful owner, correct?
Wow, just wow.
Posted by: me | March 24, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
“Absolutely! I’m sick of seeing those Tea Party types walking around in those silly Revolutionary War costumes!”
I much prefer that to the vandalism, stalking and death threats that the tea partiers are engaging in now.
Posted by: Ryan C | March 24, 2010, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
“By the way, who the hell are the rightful owners??? My ancestors have been here since the 1600′s. But, I guess that because I’m white, I’m not a rightful owner, correct?”
No racism on the right wing, nope, none at all.
Posted by: Ryan C | March 24, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
What a wit.
Oddly enough, Mr. President, I don’t consider you smart “again,” not even for four weeks. But, then, I never considered you all that smart to begin with. See, “smart” has a lot of elements and you are sorely lacking in a number of them.
Posted by: SukieTawdry | March 24, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Try explaining civil liberties, freedom and privacy to Americans as you fine and jail them for not buying mandatory “free” healthcare….
Posted by: Possum Dearie | Mar 24, 2010 1:12:22 PM
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Technically, they would only be jailed if they failed to pay their fine.
But to answer that, I’ll quote Mitt Romney circa 2006 here in regards to the mandate:”Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.” (h/t TPM)
As for the rest, let’s put that right back on you and your like-minded ilk because the regressive right tends to think that freedom means pursuing doctrine in a rigid fashion without concern for the human consequences when, in reality, simply opposing the state and state intervention (and ignoring other hierarchies and powerful entities) often means placing greater– too much– power in the hands of private tyrants or reactionary forces, like corporations, like the insurance industry, that reinforce inequality and hardship. (to paraphrase Chomsky)
I personally don’t see anything liberty-oriented or self-reliant about continuing to let an industry price gouge, fail to innovate in regards to payment and delivery, AND, most importantly, engage in practices that leave people who have paid premiums on time for years without coverage when they need it most.
What I do see liberty-oriented and self-reliant is spending the past four years voting in enough people who ran on health care reform that it FINALLY got passed.
We did the work. Elections have consequences.
If you’re really that worked about it I believe there are exemptions for certain religious groups, like the Amish, and those in prison. (So those in prison are free! /sarc.)
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
I grew up during the 1950′s and 1960′s
and it was the Southern Democrats
who held blacks back and denied them
equal rights.
Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 24, 2010 12:13:36 PM
Well, they were obviously supposed to be Republicans. In fact, later on the GOP went with their “Southern Strategy” that they devised to scoop up all the racist Democrats that were unhappy with the direction of the Democratic Party and converted them to Republicans.
And later on, Neil Young wrote a song about them. “Southern Man” was code for “Republican.”
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 24, 2010 12:37:17 PM
I actually like the reference to Neil Young, ftr. Nice parody.
the thing is reaganfan, its not the 1950s or 1960s. Many of use weren’t even born yet, hence we’re definitely not stuck there. What we know is what we’ve seen since the 1970s and 1980s– and it doesn’t look good for the far Republican right. For nearly 40 years they’ve been addicted to race baiting– see Goldwater, Nixon, Papa Bush– and yes, Ronald Reagan (philadelphia, mississippi, for starters… and then follow his record)
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Mama,race baiting?Nixon a race baiter? Ever study history?Wasn’t one of the first affirmative action plans put in place by the Nixon administration?What specifically did G.H.W. Bush do that was racist?Did you ever see his namesake grandson?I’m sure that his skin color is darker than yours.Goldwater-aside from voting against the 1964 Civil Rights act(like a large percentage of the Democrat Senate leasership of the time) what specific act of race baiting is he responsible for? Are you aware of the decades of work Barry Goldwater did for Native Americans,public and private?He was on the reservations before you were born.Ever hear of James Farmer? Of the Big Four civil rights leaders he was the only one who held a position in a presidential administration.Was that Kennedy’s?No. Was it Johnson’s? No.Was it Carter’s? No.It was race-baiter Nixon.It is a poverty of intellect to smear people you know little about with the stain of racism.There is nothing wrong with political disagreement,but the conscious effort of people on the Left to smear conservatives with the racism label is disgusting.Did you read Paul Krugman’s libel of Newt Gingrich in the N.Y. Times?He is so consumed with the conservative-racist canard that he actually lied in his article-to the point that the Times(heaven forbid!) had to issue a correction.
Posted by: Nephron | March 24, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
“If you’re really that worked about it I believe there are exemptions for certain religious groups, like the Amish”
Can I sign up to be a Progressive AND Amish? I like free stuff from the government.
Posted by: tjp612 | March 24, 2010, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
“(which everyone knows is nowhere near socialist)”
I prefer marxist.
Posted by: tjp612 | March 24, 2010, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
What specifically did G.H.W. Bush do that was racist?Did you ever see his namesake grandson?I’m sure that his skin color is darker than yours
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First, there’s a difference between saying someone engages in race baiting for political purposes and saying they’re racists and have never done anything positive, such as befriend an African American or work with American Indians (Goldwater’s alleged comment about AIM aside.)
Nice sleight of hand but you’re the one making the racist accusation and then shooting it down. LOL. I said the Republicans are addicted to race baiting. I stand by that.
Look up the Southern Strategy. Play some old campaign ads.
Your defense is predictable, btw. In 2002, Time ran a story about Lott and Republicans and their inability to attract much diversity.
Jack White wrote: “Republican leaders and their apologists tend to go into a frenzy of denial… It’s that lack of candor, of course, that presents the biggest obstacle to George W. Bush’s commendable and long overdue campaign to persuade more African-Americans to defect from the Democrats to the Republicans. It’s doomed to fail until the GOP fesses up its past addiction to race-baiting, and makes a sincere attempt to kick the habit.”
(See also NY Mag, Social Networks Help Republican Racism Go Viral– and note the faxes Rep. Clyburn has been receiving the regressive right– they have nooses on them.)
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Can I sign up to be a Progressive AND Amish? I like free stuff from the government.
Posted by: tjp612 | Mar 24, 2010 5:10:41 PM
Amish would be a better bet. Being a progressive requires broad reading, forward thinking and an open mind.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
childish.
Posted by: mjishernameo | March 24, 2010, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Ever study history?
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Of course. Besides that, I’ve been paying close attention since the first election I was able to vote in. Remember 1988 at all?
I do. In detail.
Race baiting. (for more on race baiting and politics, see Salon War Room, “Great moments in political race-baiting
Willie Horton hears a who: Beck, Limbaugh are the latest in a long and undistinguished American tradition”)
At the end of the day politics are personal. I feel very strongly about this one. Heck, when I was growing up, I thought I’d be a Republican. I helped my mom distribute fliers for John B. Anderson. And then… Reagan became president, Bush followed and W. started rumors about McCain… remember those?
hmmm.
The downgraded present-day GOP appalls me when it comes to civil rights and liberties.
If they can’t openly admit their faults on economic and fiscal policy– and race baiting– and begin coming up with solutions that move us forward, then they deserve to become wholly irrelevant, to disintegrate.
p.s. Nephron, its pretty hypocritical to hear you talking about smears when I’ve read your ridiculous smears against the President…btw.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 24, 2010, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
“Amish would be a better bet. Being a progressive requires broad reading, forward thinking and an open mind.”
What do you have against the Amish?
For someone who claims to have an open mind, it would seem that the only folks for whom you would have any tolerance are fellow Lefties…
A Progressive mantra: Do as I say, not as I do.
Posted by: tjp612 | March 25, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
“Smart again”? I doubt it, he lacked experience and knowledge for the job in the first place. His remarks remind me of the ancient Roman Emperor Nero’s pompousness when he said before committing suicide, “What an artist dies in me!”
And for those people citing the Gallup poll the day after the legislation, may not have seen the 3 CNN, CBS, and Bloomberg poll results also the day after the legislation:
In a near reversal of the Gallup figures more oppose than favor health care reform by a 50-38% margin according to Bloomberg.
New CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll March 22, 2010 found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it. Furthermore, the March 22, 2010 poll revealed that for the first time, a majority of Americans disapprove of President Obama’s job performance: 51 percent of respondents disapprove of Obama’s job performance and 46 percent approve of it. Health care was the policy area that drew the second highest negative rating, with 58 percent registering disapproval. The highest negative rating was 62 percent for his handling of the federal deficit.
A new CBS poll finds that 62 percent want Congressional Republicans to keep challenging the bill, while only 33 percent say they should not do so. Nearly nine in ten Republicans and two in three independents want the GOP to keep challenging. Even 41 percent of Democrats support continued challenges.
Posted by: EPU | March 25, 2010, 12:26 am 12:26 am
progressive mama:
You accuse Goldwater, Nixon,
Papa Bush and Ronald Reagan of
“race-baiting” yet you offer not one
shred of evidence to back up your
false claim!
Let’s not forget it was your saviour,
Barack Obama who constantly played the
“race card” on Bill Clinton during the
2008 Democrat Presidential Primary!
That’s a fact Not an unsubstaniated
opinion!
wise up.
Posted by: reaganfan | March 25, 2010, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Let’s not forget it was your saviour,
Barack Obama who constantly played the
“race card” on Bill Clinton during the
2008 Democrat Presidential Primary!
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Did you say ‘constantly’?
Perhaps you could show us one example where the President played the ‘race card’ on Bill Clinton.
Like a direct quote from Obama – that would do it.
And if you can find even one, then you can move on to talking about ‘constantly’.
Posted by: tierra | March 25, 2010, 1:55 am 1:55 am
“Perhaps you could show us one example where the President played the ‘race card’ on Bill Clinton.”
From ABC News 4/22/08:
Clinton was talking to station WHYY about the fallout over his comparison of Obama’s South Carolina primary victory with the support of black Democrats to Jesse Jackson’s primary wins. Those comments were portrayed by critics as an attempt to highlight Obama’s race.
The former president fumed on Monday that it was Obama’s campaign that injected the race issue.
“I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along,” Bill Clinton said in a telephone interview with WHYY’s Susan Phillips. “I was stating a fact, and it’s still a fact.”
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Try again, tierra.
Posted by: tjp612 | March 25, 2010, 8:10 am 8:10 am
What do you have against the Amish?
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Nothing at all. My neighbors all summer are Amish, so it could be that I know more about their culture than you do. They work very hard, and I’d find you trying to fit in very, VERY amusing.
But I acknowledge that I worded them badly so I’ll put it like this—
You’d never fit in as a progressive, but it would be very amusing watching you try to fit in as Amish, so I encourage the latter. Ultimately, where you’re at is probably the best bet– clinging to conserve the status quo of the 00′s and apologize for those who brought us economic collapse and two wars on borrowed money.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 25, 2010, 8:53 am 8:53 am
I worded them badly
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worded my previous post badly.
Sorry, in need of coffee
Posted by: progressive mama | March 25, 2010, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 25, 2010 12:27:02 AM
Read MLK’s autobiography, for starters. Once you’ve finished that, we can move on with additional resources for you.
Posted by: progressive mama | March 25, 2010, 8:57 am 8:57 am