By Kristina Wong

Mar 21, 2010 8:36pm

President Obama This Evening: Our World News Report

Diane Sawyer, Jon Karl and I discuss the latest on the health care reform battle, on World News Sunday:

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I used to support President Barack Hussein Obama, I really did, but with all due respect, Barack Hussein is a lunch-money stealing, ram it down your throats school-yard bully. Did you see this government takeover of healthcare monstrosity that Barack Hussein is going to ram down our throats? He doesn’t care about us! We elected him to represent us, not bully us! We elected him to lead us, not rule over us! And if there is any question “this isn’t ramming anything,” think of it this way: is there any way this bill would make it through 2 consecutive sessions of Congress? I think not! Barack Obama lied to us, he tricked us into voting for him and his cronies, and now that they have shown their true colors, it’s “mwahahahahaha, too late!” It is time we had a President who isn’t a snickering trickmeister, it is time for Palin ’12, PUMA!

Posted by: Obamacrat for Palin | March 21, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Obamacrat! Another unhappy lying Republican. Where on Wall Street do you work. Obviously you don’t care about or for the working class of people. Your morals are, I bet, about as low as Palin and her gang. I really hope she runs for President. A shoe in for the Democats, but if she wins(God help us), morals will return to dogs that run loose and have puppies. In case you don’t understand its part of her culture to have and approve of babies before marriage. Animal world call them bast–ds.

Posted by: Fonz56 | March 21, 2010, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

What a mess! I don’t think I have seen this much BS tossed about in my entire life. Taxes for 4 years before the first patient is covered, 10,000 irs agents hired to pry into our lives and taxes on everything medical to those who are paying now.
But the biggest slap in the face is the lack of effort to ease ways for employers to expand and grow their businesses, hire workers at good wages so that they can afford to live their lives the way they see fit. Taking a piece of pie, cutting it and giving a bit to each does not do anything which reinforces my thoughts that these guys don’t have a clue as how wealth is created and grown.
Redistribution is and will be this mans claim to fame and numbing the public with the crumbs of unemployment checks, food stamps and now healthcare for the future instead of the riches they could have with meaningful and good paying jobs says all there is to say.

Posted by: david | March 21, 2010, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

I’m glad this bill is passing., It would be a shameful comment on the state of American politics if health care reform failed because of lies from the Republican politicians and the incredibly hateful, ignorant , creepy behavior of their base voters.

Posted by: wonkie | March 21, 2010, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

I don’t watch the MSM anymore but I’m sure they did everything possible to make Obamacare sound absolutely wonderful. Leaving out all the bad stuff.
Just like they did when Obama was running for president.
Without the MSM Obama is back in Chicago voting “present”in the Senate.

Posted by: ollie | March 21, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

But the biggest slap in the face is the lack of effort to ease ways for employers to expand and grow their businesses, hire workers at good wages
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You mean like a tax break for employers who hire new employees? What a good idea!
Already done . . . .last week.

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Congratulations ABC and the rest of the Obamamedia.
You deserve more credit for the passage of gov’t run health care than Obama does.
All he did was travel around reading speeches. But that’s all he ever does.

Posted by: kyle | March 21, 2010, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Did the major networks get a sweetheart deal from Obama to help pass OCare.
Or maybe he just asked them to help save his presidency.

Posted by: philip | March 21, 2010, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Did the major networks get a sweetheart deal from Obama to help pass OCare.
Or maybe he just asked them to help save his presidency.
Posted by: philip | Mar 21, 2010 10:38:48 PM
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Whacked out imagination and unfounded paranoia.

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

Yes We Can!

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Singer Don Mclean sang a song called
American Pie around the late 1960′s
and one of the lyrics was about the
day the music died.
Well this is the day the Democrat
Party as we know it died from a self
inflicted wound known as the
Senate Healthcare Bill!
Those pats on the back and photo op
smiles will all be gone come the
November elections and you’ll have
only yourselves to blame!

Posted by: reaganfan | March 21, 2010, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

I love the shrieking wail of impotent right wingers on the eve of a victory for the American people.

Posted by: Ryan c | March 21, 2010, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

32 million more shackled to the government.
Happy Dependence Day America….
We are one step closer to Greece and Venezuela.
Obama is already like Chavez.
Truly a sad day for America.

Posted by: larry | March 21, 2010, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Obama is already like Chavez.
Truly a sad day for America.
Posted by: larry | Mar 21, 2010 11:02:10 PM
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You forgot to squawk out the other talking points – Stalin, Hitler, Jack the Ripper, Mao and Ted Bundy . .

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

“Are you racist, sexist and homophobic too?”
Sexist?
You mean like referring to the female Speaker of the House as a witch like you have?
Poor right wingers…you lost tonight and America won and that must make you furious.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

I love the shrieking wail of impotent right wingers on the eve of a victory for the American people.
Posted by: Ryan c | Mar 21, 2010 10:54:35 PM
Right wingers? It’s on record now. The die is cast. BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION to the bill. The Dems own it – wherever it takes us.

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

“Right wingers? It’s on record now. The die is cast. BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION to the bill. The Dems own it – wherever it takes us.”
I meant the right wingers commenting here.
But yes the Democrats do own this.
The Republicans did nothing and have done nothing

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

“The health care bill’s taxes will go into effect promptly, but its substantive provisions are, for the most part, deferred for four years. This means that we have plenty of time to repeal the legislation. Sure, it will take a new Congress and new President. But repealing this disaster of a bill will by a rallying cry for the American people for years to come.” Powerline

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Wait until the young working class realize they have to help pay for this. Welcome to the real world kiddies!

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

“osted by: For the Record | Mar 21, 2010 11:12:56 PM”
Please Republicans…run on repeal.
That will help the Democrats tremendously

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

The Republicans did nothing and have done nothing
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 21, 2010 11:12:53 PM
So you are saying somehow if it’s an epic failure, it will be the Republicans’ fault?
Or that The Democrats will bask in the glory of success 10 to 20 years from now?

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

“Wait until the young working class realize they have to help pay for this”
Yeah those young people who just LOVE Republicans.
ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

“Wait until the young working class realize they have to help pay for this”
Yeah those young people who just LOVE Republicans.
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 21, 2010 11:18:15 PM
So are you saying they will be happy this passed?

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Yeah those young people who just LOVE Republicans.
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 21, 2010 11:18:15 PM
Most youngsters don’t even know who the Vice President is. But they will know when their paycheck is a lot lower than it used to be.

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

I am done with the Democrats. Fraudbama ruined the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Bubbles | March 21, 2010, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

“Most youngsters don’t even know who the Vice President is.”
ROFLMAO!
Keep clinging to your shrinking party.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

“Wait until the young working class realize they have to help pay for this”
Tell em shut up and go buy some some mandatory insurance. Elections have consequences.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 21, 2010, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

I am done with the Democrats. Fraudbama ruined the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Bubbles | Mar 21, 2010 11:22:37 PM
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Democrats pass health care reform that gives an additional millions upon millions of people health care – and you’re abandoning them?
What exactly was it you admired about the Democrats before?

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

“Wait until the young working class realize they have to help pay for this”
Tell em shut up and go buy some some mandatory insurance. Elections have consequences.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Mar 21, 2010 11:26:05 PM
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Are you unaware of the provision that allows young people to stay on their parent’s coverage until 26?
Are you unaware of the provisions of financial support for low-income earners?
The Republican right seems out of touch.

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

“So you are saying somehow if it’s an epic failure, it will be the Republicans’ fault?”
Oh no, not at all.
I am saying the Republicans thinking their base are gullible idiots will claim credit for any successes brought about by this bill.
Much like quite a few anti-stimulus in rhetoric and vote GOPers did when they handed out giant stimulus checks for pictures in the local paper.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

From Bloomberg, Bonds Show U.S. Losing AAA. Excellent!! This is cost of having a thug like obamabongo run the country. The bigger the damage the better the lesson teach ‘the folk’ that elections have very costly and disastrous consequences. From tomorrow onwards note how many companies start firing their workers. Thank you obamabongo.

Posted by: sebenza | March 21, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

“Are you unaware of the provision that allows young people to stay on their parent’s coverage until 26?”
A bipartisan idea embraced by both parties except for some dishonest right wingers apparently.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Tierra:
This bill does not “give” anybody anything. Oh wait, except for the insurance companies who will get millions of new customers who will be forced to buy private health insurance whether they want it or not.
If the Dems wanted to force everyone to get insurance then they should have passed single payer or the public option. I should not be forced to make some health insurance CEO even richer.
Our representatives are bought off by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Posted by: Bubbles | March 21, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

“What exactly was it you admired about the Democrats before?”
Its like quitting the Republican party because they cut taxes.
The right wingers are pathologically dishonest.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

tierra wrote: “Are you unaware of the provision that allows young people to stay on their parent’s coverage until 26?
Are you unaware of the provisions of financial support for low-income earners?”
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And where does that money come from to do this? It all sounds good…. but someone pays the bills. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer producers and more and more non-producers (DEMOCRATS) who think they can just elect people to give them a free ride using other peoples money.
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Rules? We don’ need no stinkin’ rules.

Posted by: gk | March 21, 2010, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

Posted by: Bubbles | Mar 21, 2010 11:34:37 PM
Yeah, some far lefters and single payer people are disappointed – I don’t think the people who have been denied coverage for their sick children, or cut off coverage, or never had coverage will be all that disappointed . ..

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

RE: “The right wingers are pathologically dishonest.”
I hope you’re not referring to me because I am a liberal Democrat. A real liberal, not a fake one like Fraudbama. I am done with the Democrats.

Posted by: Bubbles | March 21, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Are you unaware of the provision that allows young people to stay on their parent’s coverage until 26?
Are you unaware of the provisions of financial support for low-income earners?
The Republican right seems out of touch.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 21, 2010 11:29:34 PM
Late twenties are youngsters when you are as old as I am.
Lots of non-low income earners will be affected. Count on it. There will be plenty of unaware wage earners who will get a big surprise very, very soon.
And once again, a non-American tries to insert herself into the conversation.
BTW: The mandate is unconstitutional.

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Posted by: Bubbles | Mar 21, 2010 11:38:29 PM
You going to vote Republican Bubbles?

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

“And once again, a non-American tries to insert herself into the conversation.”
Bizarre xenophobic attack…but hey this is the same right wingers who scream racial slurs at Congressman and hurl bricks through a COngresswoman’s office window.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

Posted by: For the Record | Mar 21, 2010 11:40:12 PM
Give it up. You don’t know what you’re talking about . . . and you keep changing your name so your string of half-informed comments and incorrect facts won’t all be attributed to the same dull source. :)

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Are you unaware of the provision that allows young people to stay on their parent’s coverage until 26?
Posted by: tierra |
Honey, an 18 yr old that voted for Obama will be 24 yrs old when the benefits kick in. Between now and then he/she will pay obamacare taxes… if they can find a job. Best case is 2 years of mommy and daddy’s support. Then they get to buy mandatory private insurance all by themselves. 26th birthdays are going to be so special in America.
Of course, if you were 20 or older in 2008 you don’t get squat.
Entiendo?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 21, 2010, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

So low-income families do not have to pay premiums but they can spend their money on doritos, beer and cigarettes?

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

26th birthdays are going to be so special in America.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Mar 21, 2010 11:44:45 PM
By that time, the liberals will have raised it to age 30.

Posted by: For the Record | March 21, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Honey, an 18 yr old that voted for Obama will be 24 yrs old when the benefits kick in.
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Nonsense. The parental plan part kicks in immediately.

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

“So low-income families do not have to pay premiums but they can spend their money on doritos, beer and cigarettes”
Ahhh a mini revival of the “welfare queen” attack.
Next comes attacks on illegal immigrants and then hispanics in general.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

Re: “You going to vote Republican Bubbles?”
I will vote third party or stay home. The last Democrat I plan to vote for is Jerry Brown for CA Governor, and then that’s it. I’m not even voting for Boxer. She has done nothing for our state.

Posted by: Bubbles | March 21, 2010, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

“Then they get to buy mandatory private insurance all by themselves. 26th birthdays are going to be so special in America”
ROFLMAO!
Right wingers actually think getting insurance as a young person will be looked on as some sort of horrible burden.
Such is the self centered mindset of the sad right winger.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

I see the Republicans called Stupak a ‘baby killer’ in the House. This is the man who fought to insure no use of federal funds for abortion.
The Republican right keeps lowering the bar for decent behavior in the United States – and their stooges outside the door goon along.
Pathetic – no class, and actually bad for the country.

Posted by: tierra | March 21, 2010, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

“Honey, an 18 yr old that voted for Obama will be 24 yrs old when the benefits kick in”
The provision to allowing children to stay on their parents insurance until 26 and the ban on denying children insurance with pre existing conditions goes into effect 6 months after it becomes law.
But hey you wouldn’t be doing your job if you weren’t grossly misinforming people on the behalf of the right wing.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

“Nonsense. The parental plan part kicks in immediately.”
6 months from enactment.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 21, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

This bill does not “give” anybody anything.
Posted by: Bubbles | Mar 21, 2010 11:34:37 PM
Actually, that’s not true. It gives many Americans security — the security of knowing that if they are diagnosed with a costly disease, or if they are in an accident and sustain costly chronic injuries, their insurance can’t be cancelled, and coverage can’t be denied. It gives many Americans with an entreprenueurial or artistic or independent spirit the freedom to strike out on their own rather than being job-locked due to employee benefits.
As the president just said, this isn’t a radical change and the bill won’t solve all our problems– but it is change, a step in the right direction.
Thank you Democrats!! Doing something, solving problems, fulfilling campaign promises is hella sexy!!!
two thumbs up, Madame Speaker, way up (you liberal San Franciscan double socialist, you– God love ya! ) :^)

Posted by: progressive mama | March 21, 2010, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

“It gives many Americans with an entreprenueurial or artistic or independent spirit the freedom to strike out on their own rather than being job-locked due to employee benefits.”
Ruh roh….prog mama is offering up praise to an idea near and dear to GOP hearts.
What say ye GOP posters?

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Right wingers actually think getting insurance as a young person will be looked on as some sort of horrible burden.
Posted by: Ryan C |
The “slacker provision” is your favorite part, isn’t it?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Bizarre xenophobic attack…but hey this is the same right wingers who scream racial slurs at Congressman and hurl bricks through a COngresswoman’s office window.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 21, 2010 11:42:00 PM
And who is that guy who was “just another guy in the neighborhood?” Extremism does not favor a political party, as much as you would like it to.

Posted by: For the Record | March 22, 2010, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Actually, I’m not sure why I am fighting this so hard. My wife is retired, I’m unemployed and we just got turned down for hc insurance for pre-existing conditions. Seems like we should be able to get something free out of this.

Posted by: For the Record | March 22, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am

“And who is that guy who was “just another guy in the neighborhood?”"
John Lewis, Congressman and champion of civil rights back to before the beating he suffered during the march on Selma.
Apparently a right winger decided shouting the n-word at him was productive debate.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:08 am 12:08 am

tierra wrote: “Nonsense. The parental plan part kicks in immediately.”
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Republicans raise their kids to be self-sufficient by the time they are 18 years old. Democrats raise theirs to mooch off others wherever they can get away with it. Now they can continue till they are 26 before having to face the cold hard reality of the real world.

Posted by: gk | March 22, 2010, 12:08 am 12:08 am

John Lewis, Congressman and champion of civil rights back to before the beating he suffered during the march on Selma.
Apparently a right winger decided shouting the n-word at him was productive debate.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 12:08:09 AM
Extremism does not favor a political party, as much as you would like it to.

Posted by: For the Record | March 22, 2010, 12:10 am 12:10 am

“The “slacker provision” is your favorite part, isn’t it?”
It doesn’t affect me.
But as mentioned the unemployment rate for young people is higher than the national average and this will help some stay covered by insurance that usually comes via employment.
I’m not sure what your problem with allowing children to stay on their parent insurance is. Its been part of GOP ideas for healthcare reform

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Nonsense. The parental plan part kicks in immediately.
Posted by: tierra |
Many states already have such provisions.
The requirement to have insurance does not kick in till 2014.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Republicans raise their kids to be self-sufficient by the time they are 18 years old.
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Oh yeah! I raised my boy to be self-sufficient by the time he was 3.2 months old and he was a billionaire and retired by the time he was 8 months old.

Posted by: tierra | March 22, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Oh yeah! I raised my boy to be self-sufficient by the time he was 3.2 months old and he was a billionaire and retired by the time he was 8 months old.
Posted by: tierra |
omg, your Melinda Gates aren’t you?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am

I keep forgetting – all the Republicans are rich, not a poor one among them.
Posted by: tierra |
hahahaha. If you were a slacker/moocher, which party would you vote for? Let’s ask the frat boy.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Actually, I’m not sure why I am fighting this so hard.
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I don’t think you’re alone among the angry, confused and misguided, but it likely has much to do with the disinformation campaign and rigid partisanship and/or ideology that doesn’t have much to do with reality.
Security, freedom, compassion and access to health care and health insurance are nothing to sneeze at– or distort, minimize, repeal or fight against.
My sincere best wishes to you and your wife. I hope you find employment and health insurance very soon (and begin to think a bit more about efforts to help those in your situation– and who is and isn’t resolutely giving it some honest thought and elbow grease. Scorched earth isn’t appropriate during these difficult times for many)

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 12:23 am 12:23 am

“Many states already have such provisions.”
Yes quite a few have passed laws in the last couple of decades of varying degrees (depends on age, students status etc)
This makes it a national policy.
I seem to recall that many states have enacted tort reform yet the GOP pushes for that to be national policy.
Now there may be merit to tort reform but its not going to be the cost saver its portrayed as by the right.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Extremism does not favor a political party, as much as you would like it to.
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 22, 2010 12:10:43 AM
But there is a party that has mainstreamed and condoned it, egged it on and made these kind of lame excuses for it. (there are extremists on the left, too, therefore it’s okay if the extremists on the right are being mainstreamed? seriously???)
I condemn the racist, ethnic and bigoted slurs and threats of violence that have come from those who have let their fear, paranoia and ignorance be so exploited they’ve lost all sense.
I believe the Republican party is both exploiting and pandering to fear and hate. And making excuses for it.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am

progressive mama wrote: “I believe the Republican party is both exploiting and pandering to fear and hate. And making excuses for it. ”
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Ask black conservative activist Kenneth Gladney who was called the “n” word and beat to the ground by a bunch of purple shirted SEIU thugs outside a rigged “town hall” meeting in St. Louis for passing out yellow “Don’t Tread on Me” flags. See if he agrees with you.

Posted by: gk | March 22, 2010, 12:36 am 12:36 am

“Posted by: gk | Mar 22, 2010 12:36:27 ”
Did you see last week right wingers screamed at a man with Parkinson’s disease?
What real swell folks.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:39 am 12:39 am

“Ask black conservative activist Kenneth Gladney who was called the “n” word and beat to the ground by a bunch of purple shirted SEIU thugs outside”
Hmmmm even on the video right wingers passed around the n word was not used.
There was a scuffle between him and two men which ended with him running away after getting knocked to the ground.
The next day he showed up, with his right wing lawyer in tow, in a wheel chair and neck brace.
He never made good his claim then to sue…guess the newscycle had passed and he had gotten his mileage.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am

“Ah. So all that left wing noise about Bush and the fired US Attorneys was just more left wing lies”
Whoa you must be so angry that you guys lost and all that lying was for nothing that you’re delusional.
What does the Bush DOJ firing attorneys for not pursuing political investigations have to do with some insane right winger claiming he is going to fire any Democrat that works at his made up business?

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am

Hmmmm even on the video right wingers passed around the n word was not used.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Mr Gladney says he was called that. Do you not believe him? Are you a racist?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:03 am 1:03 am

What does the Bush DOJ firing attorneys for not pursuing political investigations have to do with some insane right winger claiming he is going to fire any Democrat that works at his made up business?
Posted by: Ryan C |
You are really struggling to stay on topic tonight. You were the one (in your since deleted post) that claimed people don’t get fired for political beliefs. Change your mind?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am

Extremism does not favor a political party, as much as you would like it to.
Posted by: For the Record | Mar 22, 2010 12:10:43 AM
I believe the Republican party is both exploiting and pandering to fear and hate. And making excuses for it.
Posted by: progressive mama | Mar 22, 2010 12:30:38 AM
During the Bush administration, Democrats did the same thing. Many stood on the floor of Congress to do it. Get real.

Posted by: For the Record | March 22, 2010, 1:11 am 1:11 am

“Mr Gladney says he was called that. Do you not believe him”
Considering the comical embellishment of his “injuries” with a wheelchair?
That he accuses a black man of using the offensive word?
No, I do not believe him or Andrew Breitbart, who thinks of himself as some kind of latter day Goebbels.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Posted by: gk | Mar 22, 2010 12:36:27 AM
I condemn violence, including the violence in that scenario– and if the n word was used, I condemn that as well. However, when I watched the video clip of the incident, I found the accusations that sent the conservative blogosphere atwitter somewhat suspect– and as nobody came up with any witnesses, I’ve always been left with some questions, admittedly because it was a political environment, and when it comes to politics (not all things) and the political environment, I’ve always found Republicans to be liars and distorters(example: the whole thing with the girl who carved up her own face was a hoax with racist undertones. I forget her name. )
Ultimately, the Gladney scenario is a he said, he said scenario. One of the so-called SEIU “thugs” was a disabled minister named Reverend Elston McCowan, and in the video clip he is already on the ground. He dislocated his shoulder and chipped a bone.
Plus, didn’t Gladney’s case fall apart? I don’t recall but it just sort of disappeared– though diehards bring it up as an excuse not to have to condemn the racist remarks and threats of violence and nasty acts of their like-minded “conservative,” right-leaning “independent” and Republican pals.
After seeing how anti-health reform protestors treated the man with Parkinson’s, and hearing that they spit on an African American congressman and shouted racial slurs at John Lewis, a civil rights hero, I just really don’t buy the “there’s extremists on both sides and somehow its all even and fair and square” argument.
I campaigned for Obama in red districts in red states. I saw and heard things that shocked and nauseated me and I don’t shock easy. The GOP isn’t known as a party of tolerance– at least not anymore.
What’s most telling is all the excuses. Nobody on here is willing to say they condemn it. Excuse, excuse, excuse– and try to distract.
in other words, you’ve become part of the problem.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am

“You are really struggling to stay on topic tonight”
Yes, let’s stay on topic.
The tremendous legislative victory for the American people and the political victory fro the Democrats and President Obama.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:19 am 1:19 am

“Mr Gladney says he was called that. Do you not believe him”
Considering the comical embellishment of his “injuries” with a wheelchair?
That he accuses a black man of using the offensive word?
No, I do not believe him or Andrew Breitbart, who thinks of himself as some kind of latter day Goebbels.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 1:13:56 AM
Okay– Ryan’s posts in response are better than mine (see the one at 12:42:59 AM also.) Short, punchy, on point.
Thanks Ryan.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 1:26 am 1:26 am

“Okay– Ryan’s posts in response are better than mine (see the one at 12:42:59 AM also.) Short, punchy, on point.”
You make great efforts to be understanding.
I sometimes lose sight of that and I am glad that you add it to the “conversation” here.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Okay– Ryan’s posts in response are better than mine (see the one at 12:42:59 AM also.) Short, punchy, on point.
Posted by: progressive mama |
and just like yours, it was wrong.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:33 am 1:33 am

The tremendous legislative victory for the American people and the political victory fro the Democrats and President Obama.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 1:19:22 AM
Yep!
Jonathan Chait (TNR): “Obama and the Democrats managed to bring together most of the stakeholders and every single Senator in their party. The new law untangles the dysfunctionalities of the individual insurance market while fulfilling the political imperative of leaving the employer-provided system in place. Through determined advocacy, and against special interest opposition, they put into place numerous reforms to force efficiency into a wasteful system. They found hundreds of billions of dollars in payment offsets, a monumental task in itself. And they will bring economic and physical security to tens of millions of Americans who would otherwise risk seeing their lives torn apart. Health care experts for decades have bemoaned the impossibility of such reforms–the system is wasteful, but the very waste creates a powerful constituency for the status quo. Finally, the Democrats have begun to untangle the Gordian knot. It’s a staggering political task and substantive achievement.”

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Even Ashley Todd is old news in the context of discussing what happened to John Lewis yesterday.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Why would the seiu beat up John Lewis?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:42 am 1:42 am

If I’m not mistaken, people like to see success and in this case were tired of all the bickering, backbiting and name calling over this health bill. I think we’re going to find most people will respond favorably to this and it will commence a very positive move forward.

Posted by: tierra | March 22, 2010, 1:44 am 1:44 am

It obviously doesn’t matter to you but charges have been filed against 6 people and a court date has been set and there are witnesses (interfering with police is one of the charges, want to impugn the police too?) one of which claims to have hear the N word.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Mar 22, 2010 1:32:11 AM
I don’t know why you’d say it doesn’t matter. I wasn’t the one afraid of condemning the violence or calling someone racial epithets. I said it right upfront. Whereas you haven’t. I condemn it. But I believe in innocence till you’re proven guilty when it comes to charges. We’ll see what happens. The guy I saw holding his shoulder was the disabled SEIU minister. (And if you’re really in the dark as to why I think Republicans are shady, who was that guy that doctored the tapes of his visits to ACORN offices, again? A Republican liar, perhaps?) As for impugning police– I was for the stimulus that kept many in jobs, and I support their union and the middle class. LOL.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 1:44 am 1:44 am

I don’t know why you’d say it doesn’t matter [to me].
Posted by: progressive mama |
Your first paragraph speaks for itself. Don’t be disingenuous.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:50 am 1:50 am

“Your first paragraph speaks for itself. Don’t be disingenuous.”
ROFLMAO!
Someone who posts right wing lies on a daily basis wrote the above.
At least you haven’t lost your gall in the wake of defeat.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Tip of the hat to Ryan and mama . .. the foghorn is blowing hot air.

Posted by: tierra | March 22, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am

No beating, no kicking.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Maybe they called him a witch. Then you could condemn it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 1:52 am 1:52 am

BTW one of the 6 people charged was a Post Dispatch reporter who did not follow police directions.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:52 am 1:52 am

Even Ashley Todd is old news in the context of discussing what happened to John Lewis yesterday.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 1:34:38 AM
Just in the past couple days- John Lewis, Emanuel Cleaver, Barney Frank, Ciro Rodriguez, a conservative blogger calling for the assassination of the President via Twitter leading to a Secret Service investigation.
As the Southern Poverty Law Center has noted, hate, racist and extremist groups are on the rise.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 1:54 am 1:54 am

“Maybe they called him a witch. Then you could condemn it.”
Or maybe two African American men got into a heated political discussion and a scuffle while a right wing racist sought to exploit an opportunity by distorting the truth of what happened.
If the n word was said I would condemn it but considering it doesn’t appear on tape, and the only witness is less than credible and is accusing an African American of uttering the offensive word (something right wing blogs seem to leave out) I feel pretty confident that it did not happen.
The n word being said at Lewis is on tape.
Do you condemn it?

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 1:57 am 1:57 am

“Your first paragraph speaks for itself. Don’t be disingenuous.”
________
Particularly the first sentence:
“I condemn violence, including the violence in that scenario– and if the n word was used, I condemn that as well. ”
Meanwhile, the “conservative” blogosphere and punditry keeps fact checkers extremely busy– and the Republican VP candidate told the whopper of the year according to fact checkers. What is disingenuous is not understanding why someone would question the conservative blogosphere’s stories given their history and the — particularly when videotape doesn’t confirm their version of “the facts” and they act like somehow it does. LOL.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 2:01 am 2:01 am

As the Southern Poverty Law Center has noted, hate, racist and extremist groups are on the rise.
Posted by: progressive mama |
The splc? Wasn’t Keith Olberman available for comment?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 2:02 am 2:02 am

“Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Mar 22, 2010 2:02:12 AM”
The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors neo nazis, klansmens, aryan brotherhood members and the like.
Not sure what why you would dislike SPLC unless you have some affinity for such groups.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 2:07 am 2:07 am

the conservative blogosphere’s stories given their history and the — particularly when videotape doesn’t confirm their version of “the facts” and they act like somehow it does.
Posted by: progressive mama |
You and the frat boy seem to have your own facts too. I’ll wait for the trial.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 2:11 am 2:11 am

Not sure what why you would dislike SPLC unless you have some affinity for such groups.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 2:07:15 AM
_______-
Still no condemnation. Just an apologist who is now namecalling in hopes of distracting from the point that you’re in better command of the facts and on higher ground.
Oh well, back to the point of the blog post.
Matt Steinglass, The Economist:
” Nancy Pelosi …has presided over one of the most effective sessions in the history of the House, and if Congress finally passes health-care reform this weekend, she will have emerged the victor in the bloodiest battle America’s legislature has seen since the impeachment of Bill Clinton, if not longer.” (I’d say longer…)

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 2:25 am 2:25 am

And David Frum is sounding pretty glum:
“Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
…it’s Waterloo all right: ours.”

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 2:30 am 2:30 am

” Nancy Pelosi …has presided over one of the most effective sessions in the history of the House, and if Congress finally passes health-care reform this weekend, she will have emerged the victor in the bloodiest battle America’s legislature has seen since the impeachment of Bill Clinton, if not longer.” (I’d say longer…”
The impeachment was different in many ways though with some GOP casualties that in many ways changed the tone of their reign of power.
Think of Newt remaining as Speaker.
I would compare this to civil rights legislation and Vietnam for the contentiousness in Congress though.
As I said before this was an important legislative victory for Americans and a political victory for the Democrats and President Obama.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 2:31 am 2:31 am

Yeah we quote the police report and what’s on video.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Free the Gladney 6!

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 2:31 am 2:31 am

The n word being said at Lewis is on tape.
Do you condemn it?
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 22, 2010 1:57:00 AM
__________________________________
isn’t this the second time the foghorn has ducked it and made apologies . . .

Posted by: tierra | March 22, 2010, 2:37 am 2:37 am

“isn’t this the second time the foghorn has ducked it and made apologies . . .”
Like far too many right wingers he is hoping his fiction prevails over reality.

Posted by: Ryan C | March 22, 2010, 2:39 am 2:39 am

Like far too many right wingers he is hoping his fiction prevails over reality.
Posted by: Ryan C |
I think your fiction has prevailed. Greatest deficit reduction legislation in a generation, right?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 22, 2010, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Tip of the hat to Ryan and mama . .. the foghorn is blowing hot air.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 22, 2010 1:51:29 AM
I missed this earlier. He, he. Hot Air, indeed.
Good night — and it is a good night. Common sense prevailed.

Posted by: progressive mama | March 22, 2010, 3:04 am 3:04 am

Common sense is an uncommon virtue.

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | March 22, 2010, 7:50 am 7:50 am

“With 36 states lining up to bar the health care in their states you think a reasonable, smart person would get the idea that the majority of Americans DID NOT WANT THE HEALTH CARE BILL!” – WA Voter
Political Prayer of the Day
Dear loving God in heaven, please oh please please please let my state be one of the 36 that are working to bar Democrat Nanny State Health Care Reform. Guide my state lawmakers so that they are successful. Give them strength to remain diligent in the face of Obama corrupt political pressure. Don’t let them falter and fall to the dark side accepting federal bribes sanctioned by Rahm, the one born from the Fires of Chicago™. Please keep the American way of life (at least in the state where I live) vibrant and overflowing with freedom.
Amen

Posted by: Noz | March 22, 2010, 8:52 am 8:52 am

“Wasn’t Keith Olbermann available for comment?”
He will be, tonight!

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