Sebelius on Stupak Abortion Impasse: ‘The Conversation Will Continue’
EmailHealth and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says President Obama and Rep. Bart Stupak share the goal of a status quo of no federal funding for abortion in the health care reform package. In a “This Week” interview, Sebelius added that if the abortion language in the Senate bill does not satisfy Stupak, “the conversation will continue”. Stupak says he carries with him 11 votes which hinge on abortion and those votes could be the difference in the bill’s fate in the House.
Watch video HERE:
Read full exchange HERE:
DOWD: One very important, I think, controversial thing, is that a
few votes — Representative Bart Stupak has talked about the need that
the Senate bill has to include abortion language that was in the House
bill, to prevent federal funding of abortion and an expansion on
services. He says he carries with him 11 votes. Can you pass a bill or
can the president pass a bill and the Congress pass a bill without those
votes?
SEBELIUS: Well, the goal is the same. The president has said from
the outset, we don't want to change the status quo on abortion funding.
Neither the Senate or the House bill has any federal funding for
abortion, none. Yes, abortion services are provided, and people will
pay out of their own pockets, in both the Senate and the House, but they
do it in slightly different ways–
DOWD: Is Representative Stupak wrong about this?
SEBELIUS: Well, I think Representative Stupak has worked as a
member of Energy & Commerce. He wants universal health care. He wants
health reform for the people whom he represents. I think we'll continue
to work on getting this done. He shares the goal with the president,
that no federal funding will be provided for abortion.
DOWD: Do you think a deal can be done that does not include the
language he wants, but something in (inaudible), is that one of the
things that can be considered?
SEBELIUS: I think the Senate bill, actually, has a different set of
words than the amendment that Representative Stupak had in the House,
but confirmed by legal scholars and various people that it does exactly
the same thing. There are no federal funds for abortions. But I think
that if that does not satisfy the congressman, the conversations will
continue. But certainly, his goal and the president's goal are the same
– do not change the status quo on abortion.
DOWD: Well, lots of interesting issues to resolve and a deadline
that the president set for March 17th, trying to get the House to pass
the Senate bill in the House before he leaves on his foreign trip. I
appreciate you being here. Thanks for coming.
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Let the conversations continue; there will be more bribes coming-just wait and see. In my opinion, one of the most corrupt bills ever to be spewed out from congress.
Posted by: stevemb12 | March 7, 2010, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Here’s a question that should have been asked and answered: If the wording in the Senate bill accomplishes the same as in the HOR bill, why not just replace the wording in Senate bill with the wording in the HOR bill?
The President and Democratic leadership keep saying essentially “They are the same.” But doggedly, bull-headedly keep refusing to agree to ANY changes.
Sorry, folks, that tells me there ARE some differences that the POTUS and Democratic leadership want to keep and are hiding from us Americans.
Posted by: malcat | March 7, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
I’m watching this jaw-dropping interview with Sec’y Kathleen Sebelius. Not jaw-dropping for anything Sebelius is saying but for the gross ineptitude of the host, Mr. Dowd.
For example, a gross and easily debunked lie coming from Dowd’s mouth is that the President “hasn’t been engaged” on health care until the last two weeks. Unless Mr. Dowd spends his time on Uranus, he has no excuse for not remembering the President hosting bipartisan meetings about healthcare reform in March and April and throughout the summer, town halls throughout the summer, a speech solely about healthcare to the joint session of Congress in September (Joe Wilson’s “You Lie!” moment), more speeches, announcements, meetings through the fall including November and December. Did Dowd miss all of that?
I also object to Dowd’s casual use of the word “shenanigans” to describe the funding of the healthcare bill, primarily because it promotes the falsehoods spread by Republican Paul Ryan that the Senate bill is not paid for and doesn’t reduce the deficit.
Throughout Dowd’s interview with Sebelius he repeated Republican talking points as if they were carved-in-stone fact, and not concoctions of Frank Luntz.
ABC News owes its viewers fact-based discussion and not partisan talking points. If you cannot find a host to do that job accurately, you need to cancel this show.
Posted by: Jade in NM | March 7, 2010, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Dowd did a good job with the interview with Sebelius
She is an example of the ineptitude which characterizes Obama’s appointments.
Obama’s “yes’ people are contributing to this very broken gov’t.
She was right, the American people are “desperate.”
Yes, desperate because they see what is happening to them as their opinions and concerns are disregarded.
Posted by: PC | March 7, 2010, 11:31 am 11:31 am
He did a good job with her interview. This POTUS has not been engaged until this past month/HC has been going on for over a year. Finally someone asked the tough questions/no one ever does. They will not keep him though
Posted by: Karla | March 7, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
From the New Republic, March 2, 2010:
“The broader point is that Ryan misleadingly portrayed the health care plan as hiding its costs, by phasing in benefits more slowly than costs. As I wrote on the day of the summit:
Ryan objected that the Senate health care bill does not really reduce the deficit, because it raises taxes and reduces spending over ten years, but pays out benefits over just six. If that was true, it would be a sharp rebuttal to Obama’s claim of reducing the deficit. And you could certainly design a bill like that. By spreading out the savings over a long time and delaying the benefits, you’d have a bill that technically saves money over a ten year window, but starts to lose money by year ten, and to bleed more red ink after that.
But it’s not true. The benefits do phase in slowly, but so do the savings. The CBO finds that the Senate bill reduces the deficit in year ten. It would reduce the deficit by more than a trillion dollars in the next ten years.
Ryan’s argument holds a lot of superficial appeal to people who are looking for reasons to oppose the health care plan but lack a firm grasp of the details. On close examination it falls apart.”
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Posted by: Jade in NM | March 7, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I love it when posters copy and paste from a newspaper editorial, etc.
Jade in NM: I do not base my opinions on those of a newspaper editor. I would hope that most voters do not either.
Editors and commentators write according to their OWN opinions and views. They carry no more weight than any other American citizen.
And when their published opinion contains an insult to any who do not agree with them, well……
Of course, if you want to rely on someone else telling you want to think, go ahead.
Posted by: malcat | March 7, 2010, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I know that replacing George S. is tough, but this guy was horrible. It actually hurt to watch him. Elizabeth Vargas did a great job; she is the best so far. But the next time Dowd is on, I will turn it off.
Posted by: JerryF | March 7, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
I am so tired of politicians. Each Sunday morning, My hope is to see learn something NEW, hear some truth that’s been unsaid. However, this morning as is every case when the Republicans get the mic, the same old thing… the disconnect between questions and answers is so ridiculous.
Case in point today: Minority whip for the Republican party after asked to comment on how the Republican leadership can improve their popularity after seeing a recent POLL of who voters TRUST? Trash the Democrats.
This is why nothing is moving in Washington today.
The ONLY way to improve he can improve the Republicans is to trash anything and everything the Dems are doing… well listen guys, intelligent people can see right through this strategy.
Also, I miss George on This WEEK… why is he on Good Morning America??? He doesn’t need to interview the latest actor or chef, he NEEDS to be talking to Washington people.
Posted by: Anne | March 7, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Good grief you people completely make up stuff. To suggest the POTUS has not been engaged is about as absurd as it gets. Anymore I think republicans just make up things as they go. I’ve sat here and listened to you same people fuss about him messing with healthcare and taking away your rights etc. for months. You can’t have it both ways.
Is it too much to ask that we stay on message in the US? Like argue the bill and stop throwing in nonsense to confuse the issue? Well, I guess it is.
Posted by: Secondlook | March 7, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
good morning,
The Secretary, with all due respect, is being naive. Money is fungible. The Senate language indeed mandates that payment for abortions be made separately out of another checking account. But there will be affordability subsidies, that is a stream of income falling outside of the scope of the Hyde Amendment because the funds are not appropriations, which may be used to pay for abortion coverage. The recipient simply compensates expenses with funds. That is why the Stupak Amendment is needed to maintain the status quo on abortions.
take care
Posted by: S.A. Leiseca | March 7, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
HOW HARD IS IT TO PEN THESE WORDS??..”THERE WILL BE NO FEDERAL FUNDING EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FOR ABORTION” There it is, 12 words..but no, we are having disagreements about “wording” and further “conversations” and “differences of opinions”..in other words..we are having TEAMS of lawyers cooking up loopholes and double meanings and interpretations so we can massage this bill into whatever we want it to be later. (NO WONDER IT”S SOO LONG!)It is painfully obvious why Americans don’t trust Washington..what we are seeing now is congressmen don’t trust each other either!
Posted by: cindy | March 7, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
What’s there to talk about? Obama said it’s all been discussed…conversation is over…it’s time to act…the American people are waiting…blah blah blah blah….
Posted by: LongT | March 7, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Really the bill needs to be scrapped, as it is written either side of an issue can make claims as to what it says. Remember what our government has done to freedom of religion and is trying to do to free speech and gun ownership.
Also consider that the CBO warned the national debt to be unsustainable when it was but $12 trillion, Obama and friends have raised the level twice within just months of each other.
But the reality to consider is that the total of unfunded obligations of the US Government is some $60 to $70 trillion. Health care is a moot point when you consider that we are well past fiscal solvency and not one on the hill has any plan or any intent to stop the crash!
The media, supposedly the self-proclaimed watchdog of society, has its collective head in the sand on this crisis!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | March 7, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Kathleen Sebelius – hussein’s SECOND TAX CHEAT candidate for HHS secretary – used undocumented, phony deductions to cheat the federal government out of more than $7000 over three years.
She LIED repeatedly to the IRS!!! Do you actually expect she’ll tell the truth to the American people?????
Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | March 7, 2010, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
HAve any of you left leaning liberal democrats ever considered that maybe they are just making things up as they go?
Posted by: LongT | March 7, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
TeaPartyPatriot…you are no Patriot spreading that type of trash talk. I am just waiting for the day (it won’t be long) before your “movement” implodes on its own use of misinformation and negativity. You’re a great example; however, in what has gone wrong with politics.
Posted by: CND FOX | March 7, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
We do not need to ‘start over’! We do need our elected representatives to stop the word-splitting, bickering, posturing, and bull-headed idiocy known as the ‘political game’.
There are certain key issues that both sides agree need to be done. Why the fritz can’t they work on those issues?
Things like no denial for pre-existing conditions and no dropping people who exceed some set payment ceiling that is easily reached by anyone with a serious illness or injury.
Mandatory coverage for everyone by a set date (and not 5 years from now!). If a person doesn’t take out coverage, then they wait 6 months for pre-existing because THEY tried to game the system.
The Democrats and Republicans in Congress need to turn off loyalty to party and turn on loyalty to the American people. The independents need to act like independents and support the nation’s well-being.
And the President needs to turn off his ego and desire for ‘a legacy’ and act like the president of the entire USA instead of those who voted for him and those who offer ‘deals’ to get special treatment.
This whole health insurance debacle is RIDICULOUS!
Posted by: malcat | March 7, 2010, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Obama’s plan is to use whatever corrupt ploy that he needs to – to get his way.
THEN it’s on to IMMIGRATION REFORM…and offering 10.8 MILLION illegal aliens citizenship, free medical care (you know – the 30 million on HC), housing, food stamps, utilitie, special programs…EVERY entitlement a natural born American is eligible for.
He will 11 million votes – at YOUR expense.
Just remember Democrats, this isn’t enough to get you through November elections.
Posted by: NO | March 7, 2010, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Eventually we’ll have voter registration at the clinics…
Posted by: LongT | March 7, 2010, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Have you ever noticed politicians, or their representatives, can’t answer a yes/no question with a yes/no?
Posted by: partynot | March 7, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
I have just looked up the 12 House Democrats who say they are prepared to jettison the whole reform package unless revisions are made to insurance companies’ ability to continue to cover abortion services. The changes they want happen to have been developed and approved by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, but that, no doubt, is only a coincidence. Or maybe not…
Bart Stupak (MI) – Roman Catholic
Jerry Costello (IL) – Roman Catholic
Anh Cao (LA) – Roman Catholic
Kathy Dahlkemper (PA) – Roman Catholic
Joe Donnelly (IN) – Roman Catholic
Steve Driehaus (OH) – Roman Catholic
Brad Ellsworth (IN) – Roman Catholic
Marcy Kaptu (OH) – Roman Catholic
Dale Kildee (MI) – Roman Catholic
Dan Lipinski (IL) – Roman Catholic
Jim Oberstar (MN) – Roman Catholic
Charlie Wilson (OH) – Roman Catholic
President John F. Kennedy: “I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source;where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials…” I wonder what he’d think of this.
Posted by: mario56 | March 7, 2010, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Does Sebelius think the conversation will continue until someone caves in and throws the babies under the train?
Posted by: Ed Taylor | March 8, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
If a person is in such need as to need an insurance subsidy, and then at some point choses an abortion, and can only get that abortion by writing two checks, HOW has the Government not subsidized the abortion? I am pro-choice, but the idea that abortion services may be offered to those receiving subsidies as long as the monies are segregated is a total shell game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: tired of it all | March 8, 2010, 8:05 am 8:05 am
We’re not worried “NO” because the Repubs put themselves out of business. They are just making the case for their extinction with the “Party of NO” crap.
I’m looking forward to see if Ron Paul’s Libertarian party rises to replace the GOP and their outdated mismatch of ideas. Gun’s, religion, cut taxes, conduct unfinanced wars, clamoring for the unborn and sending folks to the death chamber.
I mean lets look here, ’96′ we were ranked #17 in healthcare around the world… repubs stopped progress… now we’re #34 and still paying twice as much… all the repubs can say is NO!
Posted by: DewyB | March 8, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
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Posted by: mario56 | Mar 7, 2010 9:48:33 PM
It may not be a coincidence but then it is their perogative to vote their concience then let their constituents decide if the voted appropriately.
I think it is important to point out that they have a religious reason for voting what they do, many other Representatives and Senators do as well, be it Christian, Catholic, Atheist, Agnostic or Humanist(I know of no other religons represented by our elected officials but if I missed on consider it added here), there is a ideology behind why they vote the way they do.
To say that one ideology is more or less important than other betrays the right of a citizen to believe, or not to believe, as they will.
Besides if they didn’t have a foundational ideology I would be more concerned about them. In that case you would end up with a person concerned only with the black and white rule of law, with no sympathy or empathy to temper that perspective. I would not want to meet such a person, one without empathy.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | March 8, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
This lady was pro abortion as a govenor. She was nick named the baby killer. So you all believe her?
Posted by: Jim Rod | March 8, 2010, 9:41 am 9:41 am
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Posted by: DewyB | Mar 8, 2010 9:28:16 AM
Ah, the propaganda is lovely this morning, a little bit old and stale but colorful none-the-less.
Patients Choice act of 2009, Republican ideas for health care/insurance reform. Tabled, and to date no action, by the Finance committee in the Senate after it was read twice before a full Senate.
The “party of no” nonsense is a bit old and tired, don’t you think? Besides that, the Democrats have had supermajority control in Congress, and have the Presidency. They issue hasn’t been Republican concerns, not for over a year now.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | March 8, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
,,,out in Kansas wouldn’t they call Sibelius’ comments regarding the Stupak Amendment “doing the two step?” Please send mt the English translation of whatever it is she said.
Posted by: justj joey | March 8, 2010, 10:16 am 10:16 am
anoter lying elite hack who thinks she is so much smarter tha me and you.lies and more lies.massa hang in there and tell peolsi to stuff it.
Posted by: catman | March 8, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Ed-Taylor wrote..”Remember what our government has done to freedom of religion and what it is trying to do to free speech and gun ownership”. LOL…LOL…What are you talking about Ed? Where do you get off making these erroneus, baseless claims? Oh, I forgot. Your side of the aisle makes up its “own set of facts” and then just keeps pounding and pounding on them and getting louder and louder about it until the “less intelligent masses, known as the ‘base’” accept those made up soundbites as “facts”. Well. let me tell you something, Ed. That kind of “thinking” is slowly but surely destroying our nation with its divisiveness. That is why we are becoming the “NOT” United States of America.
Posted by: CND FOX | March 8, 2010, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
so bobtherepublican…to follow the “rationale” of your 9:32 post these “obstructionists” to health care reform can be “conscious” of the unborn (even though they cannot define ‘life’ any better that the rest of us) BUT have no “conscience” for 40 million people who have no health insurance. Now somewhere and somehow this “dissecting of the language” in the bill looks like an “obstructionist ruse” to me and not a matter of “conscience”. Now how you figure these “small minded politicians” have a concern for their fellow human beings, I have no idea.
Posted by: CND FOX | March 8, 2010, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Why is it men are still trying to make policy about women reproductive needs. OK I’ll agree to ban abortion if you/men agree to no vigria or any male enhancements, only father two kids, must provide DNA sample for a national data base for male reproduction control.
If more the two kids then a little surgical procedure will see that there are no accidents. So if you get two by one female the next one out of luck. so come on guys lets put your reproduction in the public domain.
Posted by: mnj | March 8, 2010, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Tired of Lazy Republicans saying NO to everything instead of actually working?
Tired of working long hours to pay for the Lazy Republican Congress salaries and healthcare services, while they deny the American people of the same benefits?
Tired of being a slave of corporations?
Posted by: Al | March 9, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am
helloooo
Posted by: secreg756 | March 9, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Open letter to Representatives Carl and Sander Levin:
I am a Michigan resident, but not a direct constituent of either of youf, but as a progressive democrat I am asking the following of you:
That you and the other members of caucus begin action within the caucus to begin stripping all 11 or 12 democrats who have joined Bart Stupac in opposing the Health Care bill over the abortion issue, of all important assignments made by the caucus. This should include chairmanships, vice chairmanships and any role which could enhance their position within the congress.
It is time for all members of the democratic caucus to remember what the party platform contains and has contained for many, many years health care reform. If Stupak and his cohorts wish to destroy that portion of the platform, then they need to see an immediate down side. Loss of all influence forever within the caucus.
As far as Bart Stupak goes, as he will not answer publicly how much subsidy he was receiving from the “Family” while living at the “C” Street house, maybe a ethics committee investigation should be instituted. I don’t think you paid 600 dollars a month over the last few years for a place close to capital hill with maid service. That subsidy sure needs to be investigated. Not Just for Stupak, but all congressman who lived there, but I think Stupak should be first.
It is time for the majority of democrats to tell the “Stupak Gang”, that they must support the platform and the president or face the consequences.
Just for your information, I oppose Abortion, but it is an issue that does not need to be used to make political capital in the health care debate. It is an issue that should be debated and legislated on it’s own not used as wedge to divide the caucus during the health care debate for any representatives personnel gain.
bob49347
Trufant, MI
Posted by: bob49347 | March 9, 2010, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Once again we have one Senator holding up a vote on health care for his own single purpose. Like health care or don’t like health care, how can anybody justify one Senator with 4-10 backers holding up a VOTE on a bill because of a moral issue. Nothing can done in Washington with the current system set in place. Jim Bunning is a perfect example of how distorted our government has become. One (Bunning. Retiring R.Sen.from KY) personally caused 400,000 Americans to go with out unemployment benefits and 2000 more public workers went w/o work and medical coverage because he suddenly decided pay go was a priority for him and the country. This is the same man who two months ago voted against a pay go bill. This is the same man who voted on spending bills for the last eight years w/o a care in the world how the bills would get paid. I agree with what preswident Obama has said. Liarcon’s have had years to come up with spending restraints and put together what they would have considered a good health care reform bill. They did not do anything about health care. Liarcons spent money as if it were not going to be charged to our country and her people. Now, today, a health care reform bill sits waiting to be animated and suddenlt the same fiscally irresponsible group of liarcons have turned their collars around and are talking up fiscal responsibility like it matters. Ford stock was at a $1.65 a year ago. Today it’s $11.65. Citibank was .85 cents a share. Today it’s above $3.00 a share. One year ago the Dow was at 6600. today it’s 10,600. Debits and deficits have a certain, unexplainable way of working themselves out. Liarcons want our country and Obama to fail so they can walk over our broken and hurt bodies back into power. Liarcons have never shrunk the size of government. To listen to McCain or Boehner you’d think they had a magic pill to shrink government. When liarcons had their chances, they did not fulfill their rhetorical lies about spending and smaller government. It’s hard to defend liarcons. The facts speak loudly against them. Are the DemoCats better? I don’t know. But I would trust a government run health plan to determine if I had a life saving operation or not before I would ever trust a for profit CEO whoose income and bottom line are to take in premiums for his best income and make money for shareholders. Look back to 2000 and view how unregulated capitalism works. Take a good look around you today. That’s your answer.
SECREG756
Posted by: secreg756 | March 9, 2010, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
hellooo
Posted by: secreg756 | March 9, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Food stamps can be sold for cash. Other
governmental subsidy programs come in the form of cash. What is stopping a women from using theese sources of Federal funds to get an abortion. Stupak is playing the Clinton game of what is the meaning of alone? )Or what does is mean? Stupak should be stripped of any future in the DemoCatic party. If he were dealing with Darth Cheney instead of Obama, he’d be trying to pry Cheney’s hands off his throat.
SECREG756
Posted by: secreg756 | March 9, 2010, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Really, the point many posters here fail to realize is that America voted the liarcons out of office. At this moment liarcons are a minority. So, liarcon supporters do not have the majority. And along with that, the right to say what “most Amricans want”.
When properly explained 73% of Americans would prefer competition against insurance company oppressive rate hikes. Those that still believe the liarcons lies about death panels, killing gran, and the government taking over the entire health care industry, continue to poll against a strong public option. Many times in a lifetime a person will say or think to themselves, ‘I didn’t know that, or I didn’t realize that”, if i knew that I would have had a different opinion. 23% of Americans will always be extremeists. Left or right, at some point they meet and bond together.
If you believe something you are uninformed about, or something you are told is bad for you, chances are you will reject it. That’s what the liarcons have done to the public option. Liarcons lied and villified it.
If Americans understood exactly how it would be funded, run and managed. There would be a public outcry for its passing. Unfortunately we live in a country of dumbed down citizens. 24/7 news loops. Talking heads like Beck, Sister Sarah and Rush. Unconsineable people who have no qualms of stoking the flames of hatred. While using words which are pure lies to get their unfounded messages out to the citizens who believe what they say. If a person lied to my face, I’d never trust that person again. Who were those Senators and talking heads that insisted a government option would lead to government death panels, killing gran?
Rush, Grassly, Sister Sarah, Enzi, Cantor. Those are the folks who lied to you. Know when they plead for you to just say no to hcr, you listen and believe? Why?
SECREG756
Posted by: secreg756 | March 9, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
If we do not fund or mandate birth control for troubled couples or just stupid people, I will demand that people get taxed for polluting this country with babies. Period. If you want kids great! Then you don’t get tax right offs nor do you get any assistance. Period. If you want to stop women from having rights, we will take away your rights to children as well. Do you think I want to pay taxes for every kid you pop out. NOOO! So lets look at both sides here. Also my tax dollars are paying for erectile dysfunction, fertility bills etc, and so many others. I want my tax dollars to pay for less children, birth control the morning after. The less people on the planet the better we are as a nation. Less resources. Hey I’m not saying not to have one or two? But three or four? Come on!! You want rights to your body, so do I. I will pay for an abortion, but I want you to pay for every child you have, including education, health care, all that is responsible for your having children. You want to take away assistance well, you are about to see some people that are about to take away yours!!!!
Posted by: Christy Anderson | March 12, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
their goal is a status quo? but.. status quo = bad, right?
Posted by: Ilpalazzo | March 24, 2010, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm