Senate Fight Starts: GOP Says Senate Parliamentarian Will Kill Fix-Its Bill

So Sen. Gregg says, Democratic Senators are “mysteriously unavailable”. First, since when does a New Hampshire Republican on Sunday night run both the entire Senate and the Democratic caucus? I’m having a debate tonight at my house on HCR. I don’t see Sen. Gregg. He must be afraid to debate.
Once we had statesmen like giants in the U.S. Senate. Now, we have pygmies.*
*No offense to indigenous Africans intended.

Good for Gregg. Now that the Dems have wiped themselves with the Constitution, let the Repubs stick their collective noses into the stink.

If the House Democrats did not intend to use a trick to make the Senate bill the law of the land, they would conference with Senators in the normal fashion two bills are streamlined into one.
“By hook or by crook”
This time, both.

BBear says…”I’m having a debate tonight at my house on HCR.”
Must not be much of a upcoming debate if you have time to blather online.

We are government by lying, armed scum, by force and by fraud. Destroy them.

If this Bill becomes law, the USA is DEAD and the USSA is BORN, with Obama the Dictator. Congress does what they want to do and NOT the peoples that put them in there.
Maybe it’s time for States to leave the Union and form their own country, just like East and West Germany.

These are the most messy pieces of legislation that have ever graced the halls of the Capitol.

This is what happens when a bill from day one was passed with deal after deal after deal. If the bill was such a great piece of legislation then why couldnt it pass on it merits? And why did Hoyer make the remark nobody wants to be the 216 vote? Still all the blame for this mess goes on the shoulders of Ben Nelson had he voted no instead of being paid off we would not be in this mess. The ironic part is his along with the rest of the deals will be cut out during the reconciliation process because none of those giveaways will fall into budget balancing as required by reconciliation.

The Democrats have turned our country into a “Banana Republic” to achieve their own selfish ends at our expense. Those of us who love freedom and responsibility will now take our country back from the evil grip of socialism!

This is political suicide. Every reputable poll shows that the vast majority of American’s DO NOT want this health care “reform” and associated tax increases, like the 3.8% tax on unearned income.
Keep on this course, Democrats, and you’ll not only lose both the House and Senate, but you’ll be marginalized for the next 20 years.
I, like most Americans, pledge to support every opposition candidate (including financially) until these Socialists-in-Democrat-clothing realize you cannot preempt America’s wishes and nationalize 1/6th of our economy without a massive political fallout.
See you in November.

I understand that the president of the Senate (Biden) can overrule the paliamentarian. If so, what’s the use?

Backroom deals, executive orders, bribes, pay-offs and special considerations. Why? For ‘the good of the American people.’
If we wanted this bill why so much secret negotiation? Why so little time to debate the bill? Why vote for something in the middle of the night Christmas Eve/Day? Why rush it through before congress goes to recess? Why start taxing FOUR YEARS BEFORE full benefits kick in?
Oh that’s right, because the president wants to “fundamentally transform America.” Got it. Thanks for checking the will of the people at the door of OUR capitol.
The reckoning has only just begun…

If the wavering Dems think voting for the ‘fixes’ will get them off the hook for voting for AND PASSING the Senate bill they’ve got a rude awakening coming.
The fury I see building is like none I’ve seen before and I think we may see civic unrest before this is over. And by no means do I think this will be over tonight.

Can you see it coming now? Civil war is looming.

Throw the bums out. Don’t wait for November. Recall them now.

What if everyone refused to withhold income, social security and medicare taxes estimated taxes and refused to file income tax returns? The power of the purse strings in the hands of Americans. They can’t put us all in jail and the remedies left to Americans is in the power of the vote.

Get ready to impeach Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. Try them for treason. Make the Democrats call their party what it is: The Socialist Party.

Rich, There is no such thing as FREE HEALTH CARE.

that’s it – I need a stable and understandable government – I’m moving to Guatemala.

Most of the Democratic elite have always resented rich white people. It is clear they now hate moderately successful white people as well.

We the People…are screwed again

By what ever means the Dems are TOAST.

The Democrats AND the Republicans have sold us into debt serfdom.
The current ‘health care” legislation will raise taxes for years before the promised benefits are doled out (if they are doled out at all).
The political class is desperate. The United states is about to loose it’s AAA bond rating as a debtor nation. The only way the political puppets tasked with putting a legitimate face on the controlling the reigns of power can hope to avoid this, and the ensuing collapse of the government (their reason for being) is to increase tax revenues from the debt serfs so as to keep their Finance/Banking Masters happy. Hence, they are trying any and all procedural and legal maneuvers to implement their plans as fast as possible.
For the Democrats, the hope is that this will delay the next and final economic collapse of this cycle until the Republicans again have a majority, at which point, the myopic citizenry will blame the Republicans and the Democrats will again take a majority and further consolidate and increase their power.
For the ruling Financial Establishment/Military Industrial Complex, it doesn’t matter which major party is in power because they are two wings of the same parasitic beast. A beast which is wedded to the ruling interests. These ruling interests are mostly run by a very small group of people operating in multiple corporations which feed the egos and campaign chests of the two political parties so as to have all bets covered. Their allegiance is not to the Constitution, The People, The Shareholders, or any kind of Moral Code but to the naked self interests of those who control the Financial and other Multi-National Corporations. In addition to grabbing all the loot they can while keeping the economy afloat and the public disconnected from economic reality, they are doubling their efforts to institute as many mechanisms of a police state as they can so as to protect their gains. They know an economic collapse is happening, they are working under that paradigm.
The Tree of Liberty must be nourished from time to time. Now is the time. It is time for Revolution.

Read it and weep, Obamatrons:
BACKGROUND
DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP RELEASE: “The Congressional Budget Office estimate of the health care legislation shows an increase in Social Security revenues… CBO projects that the resulting increase in wages will generate $29 billion in additional FICA contributions to the Social Security Trust Fund.” (“Health Care Reform Update,” Office of Rep. Steny Hoyer, 3/21/10)
CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET ACT: “LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any reconciliation bill or reconciliation resolution reported pursuant to a concurrent resolution on the budget agreed to under section 301 or 304, or a joint resolution pursuant to section 258C of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, or any amendment thereto or conference report thereon, that contains recommendations with respect to the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program established under title II of the Social Security Act.” (Congressional Budget Act Of 1974, Sec. 310g, P. 31)

It isn’t very polite of me to say but the democrats in congress are nothing but a bunch of power grabbing scumbags and I am counting down the days to when this country can ram that gavel down Pelosi’s throat once and for all. How on earth did a woman with the intellect of a squashed tomato ever become a person 2 steps from the presidency. I have to say that almost all politicans at some point swim in the sewer but this bunch of democratic crooks have taken it to a whole new level. We will not forget…..we will vote those democratic scumbags out in November and then we will kick that idiot in the white house to the curb in 2012. In the mean time I truly hope that not only does the senate fail to pass the house’s reconciliation bill thus making those democrats who hate the senate bill out to be the utter fools there are for trusting the senate but also all the states file lawsuits to stop this madness. I love this country and I hope that it will finally learn it’s lesson and never let the democrats have so much power again. To you delusional democrats who think they have died and gone to heaven today with the passage of this bill……..you may have won the battle but you WILL LOSE THE WAR………everything you do will be undone when we take back power because if it isn’t this country will go bankrupt.

Democrats act as if they want to run up so much debt that the only way to pay for it are massive tax increases. Gee! Massive tax increases means who controls the money/labor. (Government?) I think a large country east of Poland was the last to prove that doesn’t work. Unfortunately I won’t be around 90 years to see this program fail, as it must. Labor without reward means we’re all on the dole. Then who will pay these taxes?

I call for revolution now.

jim jones invites all the dem congressmen to step up and drink the kool-aid tonight…..nice knowin ya fellas….you putrid creeps….

your taxes will help pay for abortions and you have no say america. i hope we remember how to vote in nov. we have to send a message

The democrats are behaving like members of a cult. They are asking people to ‘believe’ numbers instead of adding them up with real math. Creepy. Magical thinking at its worse and the one year wasted got in the way of real reform. This is unconstitutional and also will be repealed.
Nero is fiddling while Rome burns. My annual Social Security statement said the money is not going to be there when I retire. Does yours say that?

The worst thing to happen to the Democrats was Al Franken’s win in Minnesota (the 60th vote). It made them think that they didn’t have to care what Republicans or their supporters thought.

Remember what took place in France when the leaders began doing what they thought was “Best for the people” and not what the people wanted? Off with their heads! Let the revolution begin!!!

America would be far better off without government intrusion, negroes, and hispanics! A much smaller government footprint, Blacks back to Africa, and Hispanics back to “south of the border” is all that can save America now.

The Democrats AND the Republicans have sold us into debt serfdom.
The current ‘health care” legislation will raise taxes for years before the promised benefits are doled out (if they are doled out at all). Why do you think that the IRS is tasked with enforcement?
The political class is desperate. The United states is about to loose it’s AAA bond rating as a debtor nation. The only way the political puppets tasked with putting a legitimate face on the controlling the reigns of power can hope to avoid this, and the ensuing collapse of the government (their reason for being) is to increase tax revenues from the debt serfs so as to keep their Finance/Banking Masters happy. Hence, they are trying any and all procedural and legal maneuvers to implement their plans as fast as possible.
For the Democrats, the hope is that this will delay the next and final economic collapse of this cycle until the Republicans again have a majority, at which point, the myopic citizenry will blame the Republicans and the Democrats will again take a majority and further consolidate and increase their power.
For the ruling Financial/Corporate/Military Complex, it doesn’t matter which major party is in power because they are two wings of the same parasitic beast. A beast which is wedded to the ruling interests. These ruling interests are mostly run by a very small group of people operating in multiple corporations, which feed the egos and campaign chests of the two political parties so as to have all bets covered. Their allegiance is not to the Constitution, The People, The Shareholders, or any kind of Moral Code but to the naked self interests of those who control the Financial and other Multi-National Corporations. In addition to grabbing all the loot they can while keeping the economy afloat and the public disconnected from economic reality, they are doubling their efforts to institute as many mechanisms of a police state as they can so as to protect their gains. They know an economic collapse is happening, they are working under that paradigm.
The Tree of Liberty must be nourished from time to time. Now is the time. It is time for Revolution.

Backroom deals, executive orders, bribes, pay-offs and special considerations. Why? For ‘the good of the American people.’
If we wanted this bill why so much secret negotiation? Why so little time to debate the bill? Why vote for something in the middle of the night Christmas Eve/Day? Why rush it through before congress goes to recess? Why start taxing FOUR YEARS BEFORE full benefits kick in?
Oh that’s right, because the president wants to “fundamentally transform America.” Got it. Thanks for checking the will of the people at the door of OUR capitol.
The reckoning has only just begun…

The liberals are coming! The liberals are coming!
90% of us get stuck paying for the 10% and lose our liberties in the process? How is this American?
Franklin and Jefferson were both staunchly anti-entitlement speaking on numerous occasions of the seriousness of the repercussions to our republic of such type of government welfare.
As you can probably guess, the will of the people no longer matter and this fiasco further desensatizes our nation to political chicanary. The line has been crossed, the “anything” goes mentality is now officially in play and it will forever change the landscape and future of our once great nation.
Our “leaders” are not executing the will of the people that they represent. Sadly, The time has come for a new revolution.
Merit and personally responsability are now officially a suckers game. The drug dealers, pimps, thugs and illegal aliens need your efforts to subsadize their health care. We can’t let the poor drug dealers and gang bangers live without proper access to premium health care! oh the morality!
Also, let’s not forget that Illegal Immigrant Amnesty is up next, to which another 20 million deserving peoples health care costs will need to be absorbed by our collective “wealth”.

With 37 states and a host of constitutional and religious groups ready to file law suites tomorrow, this will be thrown out so fast the Dems will get whiplash and the Dem party will self destruct. Humpty Dumpty is about to hit the pavement.

So walk out and hold your good bye democracy press condferences now!

in response to Chris…..FREE health care coverage! sheesh, what world do you inhabit?

Oddly enough I find that I have more in common with the terrorist than I do with this government.

It will be my patriotic duty to work against this government.
there are many legal things that can be done to gum up the works.

The Democrats are finished if this catastrophe passes

BRIBES BRIBES BRIBES BRIBES BRIBES
=
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

What states possess the most nukes?
When they secede, I think I’ll set=up shop there.

the democratic party today after the vote and it passes will have collectively shoved a knife into their future. their are millions upon millions of voters who are so mad! no matter what kind of sleazy lying talking points you try to sell will get flushed down the toilet! also no matter how many illegal aliens you try to get to vote in nov thru immigration reform which i am sure the telepromter sold you one will not work. their will be a tsunami of anger voting in nov. millions upon millions. get your resumes ready, better hope your white house or ambasidorships jobs you sold your vote for will all come clear angering the millions even more!

Republicans, you scare me and I have been a republican most of my life, but today’s REPUBLICANS, sound like terrorist…filled with ignorance, prejudice and hate. Do not delude yourselves in thinking you make up 80% of the people out there. Much of the voting public does not have time to read this venom…I took the time today and I am saddened. Right now, most of the previous comments represent a group of people, that just sound evil rather those who should be concerned about the welfare of all people.

@Michael Wright
“…What states possess the most nukes?
When they secede, I think I’ll set=up shop there…”
Pantex, a major weapons manufacturer, is located in the Texas panhandle. I’m just sayin’

Fun but sad… The next bill will be Immigration Refor. This mean illegals will become illegals. So those 10-15 milion wil then be added to this Healthcare bill. Laughable but sad Congress is so dumb. This will wreak the nation’s debt load. The same Democrat asses who talk about the enviroments. Let me see illegals become citizens and them we’ll have more illegals coming to the boarder. More people more cars, more pollution and more people sucking on welfare and medicaid. This all make sense to me. Control by all means. You are dumb. The United States WAS America.

Great. Note:
And Democrats in the House quietly admit that its very likely
it’s very likely

Ohh please. All you fear mongers and republicans have oversized amygdalas. You guys don’t care about ethics, morals and doing what is right. You guys are only motivated by fear and are easily cowered by lies and misrepresentations.
As an ex-republican, the GOP has just become a bastion of racists and anti-americans. People that don’t want to contribute their fair share to live in this great nation but are the first to abuse it.
Oh well, good for Obama, Pelosi and the dems for demonstrating and working in the interests of it’s citizens rather than lobbyists and special interests.

sorry –just screw all Democrats

To ALL democrats from dogcatcher to the speaker:
WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

I was watching the healthcare vote today. I honestly have no idea how were are going to pay back all the money we have already borrowed, never mind paying for all the entitlements we’ve promised people. Now we’ve just added another huge entitlement. Go figure. Maybe the politicians are smarter than me, but I just don’t see how it will occur without severe rationing down the road.

The IRS will be the principal enforcer of this healthcare. Mark “EXEMPT” on your withholding form. Don’t pay…I don’t think they can put us all in jail. Don’t Pay-Don’t Play….

“Free health care?” We are forced to purchase insurance. I have insurance, my premiums wil go up. the math in this bill makes the guys at Enron look like boy scouts What is free?

The first American Communist prexident and the AmCons (American communists) and all the DSA members, the enlighted and gifted ones, know what is best for us regardless what the citizens say. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America! Once passed and in place the hellcrap bill (& all the subsequent amendments) will become a systemic disease, killing the light on the hill.
Vote all the AmComs & dumbschitz out!
I will not only vote but financially support candidates who respect our Constitution and seek to save our nation from financial disaster!

” Every reputable poll shows that the vast majority of American’s DO NOT want this health care “reform” If you rely only on Fox and Rasmussen. Gallup is a different story and your claim that a ‘vast’ majority oppose health care reform is as ludicrous as the one about pulling the plug on seniors. Moreover, don’t count your chickens too early re the elections. Between the Dem voters who outnumber rep voters and a majority of independents, we’ll keep the cavepeople (Rinos) out of office.

15 years ago I was a Democrat, then I forgot about politics until 8 years of Bush and decided to vote for Obama… now I think I will vote Republican next time around if I vote at all.
This bill is horrendous. Obama wasted nearly a year on this thing while the economy only got worse. He’s a lying failure if there ever was one.
I will not forget this during the upcoming elections. Nothing will keep me from voting against Obama and the other incumbents in the upcoming elections. Nothing.

It’s on.

It takes suffering through a Jimmy Carter to appreciate a Ronald Reagan.

I agree with Richard! Let’s start drafting legislation to seperate the country like Germany. The Socialists on one side and the Capitolists on the other. The Capitolists can start drilling and processing oil asap. We’ll see how many doctors and insurance companies go for the Socialist side. They can keep their EPA, Card Check, Fairness Doctrine, National Health Care, etc – the list is endless. How long before the Socialists try scaling the wall when they become miserable?

Democrats are too afraid to answer their phones. Come November the ones that voted for this that are up for election might as well pack their bags. ITS TIME to TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK from these fools. And IF I was a republican I would KICK every democrat to the CURB. NOT a PENNY to a democrat state. EVERYTHING through reconciliation and BY FORCE. The same WAY they were treated. THESE people have not only been RUDE to the GOP they have IGNORED the American PUBLIC and for that they deserve the LUMPS they will get. If they ram this through it will be repealed. AND OBAMA will be a PATHETIC LEFTIST footnote in history thank GOD !!

joe coffee wrote:
All of you fools would have been against medicare, medicaid, and social security when they passed those bills in the 1930s and 1960s. In fact, the republicans at that time voted against those measures with the same arguments you are making now. Now I’m sure many of you at some point in your life will gladly take those benefits.Hypocrites.
====================================
Actually, Joe. I won’t be collecting what I’ve paid into Social Security because as my last quarterly statement from the Social Security office plainly states as a disclaimer, the funds are projected to run out long before I am eligible to retire.
And the history lesson is that it wasn’t just the “republicans” that opposed Social Security and Medicare, it was also the Supreme Court. FDR stacked the supreme court with more appointee’s to “address” the constitutional challenges to those bills and he threatened to keep stacking it until he got his way, constitution be damned.
Go read a book before you spout off you ignorant doosh.

We need Tony Soprano as Speaker of the House…..YEAH!William Randolph Smith >>> You want criminals running the country? I see why democrats are so loved. By the way the President comes from a more powerful Mob City than Tony.

If this is such a great “PIECE OF LEGISLATION”…why have OUR royalty, including OUR king not signed up for this amazing free health care?

We are now officially a third world country.

tylerkad – Ethics? Ethics? PULEASE! Bribing politicians to vote for a bill isn’t ethical! Using blackmail on politicians so they will vote “YES” so a main water supply will be turned back on isn’t ethical either!!!! This process hasn’t had the will of the people at all!!!
How has it become racist when the GOP is opposed to the federal government taking over private industry? How is anti-American to not allow the federal government to decide on your health decisions?? How is putting people in JAIL for not buying health insurance American?????????
Where in the WORLD does it say that we have to “contribute their fair share” in the Constitution????
If ANY party is working with lobbyists and special interests, look no further than the democrats. Say, oh, SEIU, ACORN!!!
Health care is NOT A RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Get yourself educated.

God I pray this is true!!! I have HOPE again – Obama gave us hope and then he and his minions killed that hope through their lies and corrupt practices.
Remember that Obama was going to bring CHANGE to the way things operate in Washington? Things are worse now than ever!
Remember how Obama PROMISED us that health care would NOT be decided with a simple “50 plus one majority?” The man has repeatedly lied and broken promise after promise.
Remember when Obama PROMISED us that all the health care debate was going to be done PUBLICLY and televised on CSPAN?
Remember when Obama PROMISED us that any health care bill would be bipartisan?
just visit http://newsgnome.blogspot.com/2009/03/official-list-of-obamas-broken-promises.html for a list of broken promises.
Obama and his zombie supporters get upset when he is called a liar, but what else do you call someone who doesn’t tell the truth and breaks their promises?
Obama is bankrupting this country to match his lack of morals.
Our leaders in Washington are supposed to represent people and OUR desires – not what they *think* we need. These treasonous people are traitors and will answer for their foolishness in November. I hope Obama enjoys his one and only term as president.

You guys act as if we have no power. DOn’t we have the right to not spend ourselves into bankruptcy? I mean most of us are not bankrupt right now are we? If we know this legislation is going to bankrupt us shouldn’t we withold our tax dollars? Asked another way – if our children are asking for money – money that is hard earned – and we feel they are just going to waste it – do we still give it to them? Hell no we don’t.

I’ve never seen more misinformation in one place than has been displayed on this message board. This is just really sad stuff. You uneducated, misinformed people are the ones trying to frame this debate and the ones trying to threaten that something might happen if this reform passes. You are all idiots. It embarrasses me to be a citizen of the same country as you. It really does.

Anyone with a (D) after their name in a district that is less than D+5 or so is toast come this November. You won’t be able to hide when you actually have to *run* for that seat. You’ll be lucky if all you get is spat upon.

Almost half of all Democrats don’t want this bill either. The rest are high on hopium, and they hope passage of this government scheme to control 1/6th of the USA’s economy will score them some more. Well, I hate to tell them, but WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! I have now come to hate the party that I have supported throughout my life, that is until they ran a Marxist loving fraud as their candidate. I will now continue to vote against all Democrats from now on. I voted for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and Gore, all these freaking losers! What the hell was I thinking? The only Democrat that I actually felt good about voting for was Clinton, and that had everything to do with a decent economy during his time in office. I won’t be making the mistake of voting Democrat again.

Buncha crybaby little girls running around throwing temper tantrums and shouting that the sky is falling like chicken little.
Face it, your fear mongering lies are a waste of breath.
Your way of thinking is over. The GOP has been hijacked by a white supremacist militia called the tea party.
Well your party is over! You lost in 2008, you lost today and you will lose again in 2010. You will lose until the Republicans get their party back under control and kick out the nutjobs. Until then it is loss, loss, loss.

I am livid, this is the biggest fraud of a bill that I have seen in my lifetime.
You stupid Dems, I have a house for rent, starting paying my rent now, move in 4 years from now. It is a 2300 page contract that you don’t like, but trust me after you sign the contract, we will make the changes you want ( maybe) and I will ask the judge to pass an executive order for you Mr Stupak ( stupidpak). Hey by the way I can control the rent and charge more anytime and I will have a death ( oops bureacratic panel) to control the heat, air, cleanliness, food and everything else that goes on in my house. Then I can put the bill onto your kids, grandkids and great grandkids as well.
But Trust me I never lied to you, I know I promised to be transparent, but hey what does that mean. I am the smartest man in the world I will cut your insurance premium 3000 percent in all 57 states and even in Haiti, err Hawaii wherever they had that earthquake. Excuse me, I just got a call from Farrakhan and Rev Wright and I need to go smoke and have a beer summit, we got some White Cop acting stupidly out here. Hey, just like my typical white person Grandma who raised me,
Hey Michelle, can I have the remote the ball games on. Hey trust me sign the contract, what could go wrong?
You stupid Dem fools, rent my house and by the way I got 32 million more moving in with you, but hey you’ll have plenty of room and great health care, if those Doctors will just work for minimum wage for me. Michelle, where is my telepropter?

Sadly the Senate Parliamentarian may be over ridden by the President of Vice “Biden”. But on the other hand, they never really cared if the reconciliation part of the bill was enacted. Theirs is to destroy our way of life and replace it with some made up monster, slightly mirroring what we have with the crusty stubbly beard of federal workers caring face and inattention! God save the Queen, cause Michelle may be on the throne for some time!

Funny, the way this corrupt process is going I doubt you will get the parliamentarian to agree with republicans once. Disgusting.

Chris: Free health coverage? Nothing is free. Somebody pays for it. Government pays with money it gets through taxes, fees, or other forms of extortion, or spends money it doesn’t have and goes further in debt.

Obama should simply use EXECUTIVE ORDERS to enact health care reform. It is stupid to have all these parliamentarian manuevers by reactionary, and often racist, Republicans. The people elected Obama and the people of the world want CHANGE. The republicans, the Supreme Court, and the arcane congressional and constitutional rules are a stumlbing block put in the way of the people by imperialist-capitalist reactionaries who are seeking to maintain the exploitation of the workers, minorities, LBGTs,and Gaia and seeking to maintain the white, male, racist, sexist, euro-centric hegemony. Use EXECUTIVE ORDERS Obama for immigration and healthcare reform. The PEOPLE of the world support you!

Can’t the President of the Senate, Joe Biden, overrule anything the Parliamentarian does or rules?

Unless Obama has a personal Trillion dollar trust fund he’s willing to donate,he’s not going to “give” anything to America! There’s no such thing as free. Watch costs and taxes(fees) go up and health care quality go down.

Republicans lost me at ‘death panels’. Go suck an egg.

It is political suicide for Democrats NOT to pass health reform. Go Obama and Democrats. Don’t listen to the natting naboos of negativism. Be courageous. Keep your vision. The country will thank you eventually….just like with Medicare in 1965.

This is actually getting more comical by the minute. Today the “Deemed”ocrats pass a health care debacle specifially designed to bury the nation in unfathomable debt, just to by votes, in November they will likely be tossed from power, then in 2012 they will campaign on a platform how how “the Republicans spent too much money”. The “Deemed”ocrats are truly a laughable lot.

The bill will pass. Things will be fine. We wont lose our freedoms. And all the hyperbolic nonsense will be seen for just that

Just as the media has been taken over by socialists, now our government has followed suite. This is a sad day for America. Are there any honest people in DC. When you rush something through like the health care bill; and have to threaten senators and congressmen; then, someone is going to be paid some big cash. The way Pelosi and Reed talk, my bet it is them or Dodd or Franks . Another good guess is Soros as he manipulates his stocks… When is someone going to hit that guy? Reminds me of how things were done in Russia. Right, Comrade
Pelosi, you witch. Obama is a puppet for someone. Wonder who the ventriloquist might be.

@ ivan | Mar 21, 2010 9:19:32 PM
The name starts with George and ends with Soros.

38 States have already started the process to protect themselves from this foolish Government action. 38 States, which have the right to join together and put our Government on trial for being out of control!

Next up…lets have the states force their senators to bring up “articles of impeachment” against Obama. He has done plenty to destroy our country in 15 months.

Hill Man,
You must have misinterpreted my point. I don’t support this health bill nor any other legistalation that subverts the will of the people, the constitution or the ideals of our founders.

Paul, I assume that you’re a poor person who wants free health care. Probably free everything else, too. Ever hear the expression “you get what you pay for”?
I could point you to the track record of other government-run institutions and show you how government-run *anything* is not as good as a freely-owned counterpart. However, you are blinded by your own religious fanaticism about the socialist ideas winning out in Congress today.
To any liberal capable of free and intelligent thought, listen to this: If you believe government-run healthcare will be so great, take a trip down to your local VA hospital. Ask the veterans who served our country how good the care is. I know because I am a veteran and also a healthcare provider.
Ask yourself some important questions. Do you enjoy going to the DMV? Is it a model of efficiency and good customer service? How about the post office? How about the social security office?
You liberals are so blinded by your dogma that you are incapable of recognizing how badly this will damage our economy and future generations receiving substandard government health “care”.
Will the last sane, rational person left in America, please turn out the lights?

The Liberals reps that voted for this monstrosity could care less if they lose their seats.
They’ve all been promised lucrative federal appointments for their yes vote.

A very sad day in America. The pigs in congress will find themselves unemployed come November.

“we once had statesmen like giants in the Senate…” BBear, that was before the 17th Amendment put them all up for direct election. In Daniel Webster’s day, the Senators would have been protecting the interests of the states from which they were appointed. Now they are simply politicians playing to the masses, just like the House. Bread, circuses and health care for all. Good game, America. It was fun while it lasted.

People are so uneducated. None of this bill was actually written by Pres. Obama. It was written by members of the House and Senate, and is approved by both of those houses before Pres. Obama even gets to sign it. So for all of those people calling this ‘Obama care’ and all of this bullcr&p, please stop sounding so unintelligent. Please get your facts straight before you spew your ignorance and lies!

Next stop…Constitutional Convention.

The Audacity of Deceit. 16,500 new IRS agents meeting your healthcare needs. NO! NO! What’s sad is how dismissive the Democrats are of dissent. Do not trust them, Call them on their lies!

With Obama one needs to watch what the other hand is doing. He says one thing and then does what his intentions really were anyway. He is master of double speak. Transparent, I don’t think so!!!!
Secret taping of conversations!!!! Keeping us in two wars. I could go on and on with his contradictions.

Well….I guess the WORLD is scratching it’s collective heads, while watching this BIG MESS unfold and wondering what on earth happened to the US Constitution….It appears to have gone-up in smoke!!

The sun will rise tomorrow but it will be a new day in America and the dems better be looking out. You can fool some of the people some of the time but Americans woke up last summer and we prayed and ‘hoped’ they’d do the right thing. They have proven themselves traitors. We have traitors in our Congress and in our White House and the sooner we get them out the better off we’ll all be. They have lied, bribed, coerced and Lord only knows what else. They have put this nation at risk and I believe any one of those offenses is impeachable and punishable by law.

I am disgusted by my what my government has become. The constitution is a work of genius and should be revered not subjugated. The democrats have once again proven they can’t be trusted and they certainly can’t govern. The only thing they excel at is spending other peoples money. What is unearned income? Is that the money you earned, took a chance with in the stock market and if or when it pays a dividend they get a share. Awesome, let’s let them in on the down side also. If we lose money I want them to pay me. Fair? Bottom line is fool me once shame on me, fool me twice and the second amendment comes into play. Got it. Even a democrat should be able to understand that.

We’ll remember, come November.

ABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf reports: The House bill has not yet passed and already we are seeing the reconciliation fight start in the Senate.
Senate Republicans say they can get the whole package of reconciliation fixes – the fix-its that make the Senate plan palatable to House Democrats – thrown out with a trump card procedural motion. And they say Democrats are slow-walking a decision from the parliamentarian until the House passes the Senate bill.
That means the Senate bill, which everyone in the House seems to universally hate, will be the law of the land.
This afternoon Senate Republicans say Democrats won’t meet with them and the parliamentarian – a charge Democratic staffers call “absurd”. (The timing of the allegation also works as a last-minute, probably too-late message to wavering House Democrats).
Bottom line: Don’t expect the health reform debate to end tonight even though the health reform bill will become law as soon as Obama signs the Senate bill.
Should the House pass the Senate bill and the package of reconciliation fix-its tonight, Senators will take over the reconciliation fix-its as soon as Tuesday.
That will set in motion a week or longer parliamentary floor battle with points of order, references to the budget act, the Byrd Rule and more.
For an appetizer, take a look at Senate Budget Committee Ranking Member Judd Gregg’s statement tonight.
“Immediately after receiving the final reconciliation bill language, Senate Republican staff was ready and willing to meet with Senate Democratic staff and the Senate Parliamentarian to discuss the fact that the House reconciliation bill may be brought down by the 310(g) point of order in the Senate. Senate Democrats are mysteriously unavailable until after the House votes on the health care bill tonight. The Senate Democrats appear to be pushing off this meeting so that House Democrats will remain in the dark about what is likely to happen to the reconciliation bill on which many have staked their careers in Congress. House Democrats should be alarmed by this latest development, since the survival of the reconciliation bill is clearly at risk in the Senate.”
If Republicans can get the parliamentarian to agree with them even once, whatever ultimately passes the Senate will have to go back to the House.
And Democrats in the House quietly admit that its very likely they will have to vote again on the reconciliation fixes at some point down the road.

If the Senate Bill does become law (until the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional in 2 to 3 years) where will Obama spend all those NEW taxes sent to the General Fund that he gathered under the guise of Obamacare since 1-31-2010? Watch for Obama’s next priority of legalizing, and registering as Democrats, another 11 to 12 Million illegal immigrants so his Party can steal congressional elections in 4 to 5 Southwestern States this fall!

What do 21 March 2010 and 7 December 1941 have in common? The United States of America was attacked by an external enemy. War was declared on the USA. Patriots rallied then to defeat the enemy and we will do so again.
The liberals’ next effort has already begun – allowing millions of illegal aliens to become citizens and give them YOUR hard earned tax money.
Double your efforts – Protect your money from the Tax Beast; Remove ALL liberals from leadership positions; hold a Constitutional Convention; Take the gloves off. War is Hell. Make them feel it.

It’s nice that Judd Gregg is looking out for those Democrats in the House who may not have heard this (for the umpteenth time, I might add).
The reconciliation bill was Byrd scrubbed: Reid knows it, and everyone else does too execpt for the obfuscating Mr. Gregg.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have given us the most massive, costly, piece of corruption in the entire history of the nation. A corrupt bill passed by spending hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars to buy votes. The Chicago Way has truly moved and spread throughout our national Government. We have a Government of the corrupt, by the corrupt, for the corrupt! Nov will be our last chance to restore sanity?

The GOP had better keep its beak to the grindstone on this or we’ll get rid of you too………. Present Conservatives for election and not some namby pamgby Modertaes. We want no Democrats in the Congress or White House and we can get used to some new parties if you can’t cut the mustard.
And remeber if Obama is proved to be a “Pretender to being President” You’d better decide no law enacted under him is legal. and the DNC is up for treason.

“The next revolution will be when the people who work stop paying for those who don’t” -Wally Hickel

We have witnessed a “coup d’etat” – trading a degenerating representative republic for an incompetent tyranny. Any doubt that we would have been better off with NO government? Our Dear Leaders and their sycophants have laid bear their arrogance.

It’s obvious people on this board don’t want to believe anything but Republican lies. All the fury and amazingly not much has changed for us with insurance. Except a few of you’ll have coronaries and some good ‘ole boys will finallly visit the doctor instead of the emergency room. Socialism.. Banana Republic… too hilarious… We’re joining every other developed economy. If you want to go to Guatemala, Costa rica (oh they have goverment health care) or wherever, America will be better without you. See you when I’m on vacation. Bon voyage.

In all the hooplah don’t forget that in the bill is a provision for 12,000 new IRS employees, they are going to ensure compliance, they will see you to ensure you pay, or escort you to jail.

Stupak seems to believe Obama’s EO carries more weight than Neville Chamberlain waving a paper declaring he had achieved ‘peace in our time’.

Let the hospital contracted staph infections begin!

I don’t know if the citizen supporters of this bill really believe the Dem talking points, or are they just ignorant and intellectually dishonest. Regardless, the income taxpaying citizens are being taxed without representation. Welcome to 3rd world status, and to the local health department for your care. All Government officials should have to have the same exact healthcare as Medicaid provides, because that will be all that is available in 10 years. Also, States will have to defund education and their own projects to pay for this…pray.

i am heartsick, and mentally picture lady liberty knocked off her pedestal, wrapped in chains, and weeping.
november is too far away, the supreme court is too far away, life as we know it is drifting away…i fear for my family, this great country, and
what is in store for us…tonight we start disintegration and wondering what might have been. OR…we get angry, stop this madness, and do
what it takes to save this great
ation!! …a concerned, growing very militant, senior citizen and grandmother.

We’re still a democracy, and pendulums swing both ways. If you don’t like what the democrats have done with health care, vote ‘em out in November. That’s the best part of being a U.S. citizen. The majority gets to change what they don’t like every two years if that’s what they want to do.

When will the Rose Garden ceremony be celebrating the first the arrest and imprisonment of the first person who refuses to be forced to buy healthcare?

We need to come up with a good bumper sticker – something like “Remember the Sellout” – to remind people what went on today. There has to be something better than my suggestion.

A huge step towards socialism….nothing to be proud of.

Our business in the Chicago area has already run a number of “worst-case” scenarios. We are a new high-tech concern. We will be actively laying-off people and moving our manufacturing and R&D overseas. Good-bye and good-luck to everyone who voted for the crazy corrupt-o-crats and government health control. I suspect others will be following us.

Where was this clown when the republicans forced tax breaks for the wealthy down the throats of the American people with 51 votes and added to the deficit? The republiklans used reconciliation 6 times during the bush term alone. The senate democrats better be there for the house democrats.

I am deeply saddened by the actions of the Democratic Party in the House of Representatives. The methods used in the past days and months to push this bill forward are shameful. 220-211 does not represent a mandate by the people. As I write this Obama is on TV speaking of the historic moment and the huge accomplishment of the House… The rules were bent and broken and ignored. It is my intention to rebel against this bill and those who cheated to make it law. My hope is that others will join, and we will together fight, if necessary, to restore the principles upon which our GREAT nation was founded. God Bless America. I fear it may be disappearing.

rightbehind,It is time for you to hit the hay, that is hay for the horses!!
If you don’t have Intelligence keep on running and feel the wind in your face.

In an alert issued this week, Liberty Counsel, run by President Mathew Staver, promised his organization “is prepared to challenge the constitutionality of the bill since Congress has no authority to require every person to obtain insurance coverage and has no authority to fine employers who do not provide the coverage standards that are required in the bill.”

Apostolic Socialism, drink the Obamacare Kool-aid…Health care is good, you will learn to love it…

Hey Rich! What makes you think that he’s going to allow us to vote?

Slaughter rule to be used for the Democratic Socialist Party come November.

The party of NO was NOT succesfyl this time……ha ha.

If the current senate passed bill is indeed the law of the land, it becomes a life long shame for the Democrats since the bill contains a lot of vote bribing and special deals for special interest. The effect will be shown in the next election in November.

THANK YOU President Obama for standing strong and fighting the Republican obstructionsists. You have scored a victory for the common American tonight. Keep up the good fight. WE SUPPORT YOU!

Welcome to the USSA, worlds newest and biggest third world banana republic. One last chance in November to flush the Demonrats, otherwise we get to keep the new title of USSA, United Socialist States of America.

I am so proud of our government. Yeah!!!

Republican Congress and Senate wants Americans to live in poverty and despair. They have brought US ruin and misery.
Thanks God for a Democratic Government.

The Entire Nation and the Entire World is watching; Not just some few political Aficionados! The Republicans
have made it plain to all that they care more about defeating and harassing Democrats, than passing a good Health Care Bill! Many Average American People are Dying out there for a lack of decent health care! The Republicans are saying “That Republicans Do Not Care! NO one watching today will ever forget! Especially the young people!

Republican Congress is lazy. they do not want to work so they say No to everything. it is the best way to continue to receive salaries and socialized medicine paid by US, true American heroes who work all day to keep them in the government properly feed and well served.
And they have convinced Republican voters that they say no for them…LOL. They are smart, and their followers not so much.

It appears Obama’s helping his erstwhile pastor & “spiritual mentor” Rev. Wright get his wish that “God DAMN America!”.

we benefit oh this too? about illegal aliens and my whole illegal families and neighbors, yehheyy thank you america….thank you Barrack Obama

Waaaah! What a bunch of crybabies. Health insurance reform passed, and you just can’t stand it? Good grief.

The country cannot afford this bill….
Going to war on and emptying the treasury, yes we can. Giving tax breaks to the rich, yes we can. Taking care of our family health need, HELL we cannot.
Most other countries in the world can afford it. This is wrongly labeled as health care reform. It is INSURANCE REFORM. The doctors do not make the money, the sick get fleeced and we will be left with 30 million collateral damage. That is SICK

The United States of America 1776-2010 RIP

Jeffery Schrembs, Thankyou. You said it. My husband has been out of work for over 2 years and majority of it is because the ILLEGALS have taken over the jobs. ENOUGH is enough! Thannkyou

DID YOU REALLY EXPECT HONESTY FROM A DEMOCRAT?
A Democrat sells his vote (Stupak), has an extramarital affair (Clinton), cheats on his taxes (Rangle), accepts bribes (Murtha RIP), sells a Senate seat (Jackson), backs sex-trafficking (Cleaver), lives with a pimp (Frank), and on and on and on…
THEY ARE DEMOCRATS and IT IS EXPECTED OF THEM! They have no morals, there is no God, praise homosexuals, be politically correct, kill your baby, tax global warming, embrace illegals, bigger government is the answer to everything. The most corrupt Democrat is the most exalted.

Elections mean something, don’t they? Mr. Obama told us exactly what he intended to do once he was president. We thought, “That’s never going to happen.”
Conservatives and Independents however were tired of being “rino’d” to death by progressive Republicans (aka John McCain, etc) and decided to punish him/them by voting for the opposition. After all how harmful could electing “another” progressive be that doesn’t really mean what he says? He’ll probably turn out like Bill Clinton and give us some sort of Welfare reform, and a tax-cut strengthened economy.
Well, snookered again, huh? This time by an angry, convicted, Marxist idealogue. How’s that deal working out for ya?

hahahahahahaah loser GOP this is your waterloo. Bonehead Faux News viewers are just

All we have to do is vote them out of office….then repeal it. We are, after all, still Americans.

Tonight we lost 1/6th of our freedom and the House Dems used our constitution as toilet paper to wipe their butts. They stuck their nose at us and the only remedy we still have is the ballot box. If we throw the bums out in November, we can still repeal this piece of trash that they call legislation. We must keep the pressure up on our representatives. This is a government takeover make no mistake about it, and if we allow it, you will see Brave New World in the next ten years. This bill is not about better healthcare it was all about power over the people of this country. Madam Pelosi will give over her gavel in Nov. but the damage she caused will be felt for the next twenty years…We are going to be taxed into oblivion and the politicians don’t seem to care…Their agenda is power and power corrupts. You saw an example of it today…This is why our forefathers wanted checks and balances because when a party has too much power, it becomes a dictatorship. The people were duped and now they have buyer’s remorse… I called, I wrote, and no one listened because they think the people are stupid…Let’s show them with our vote in Nov…a rude awakening is coming and they better know it. All those holdouts caved and sold us down the river. And that includes Stupak which if he had held to his convictions, we could have defeated this bill. The consequence will be defeat and they deserve to be booted out into the street.

32 democrats in the house voted nay.MAKE SURE THE ONLY DEM’S LEFT IN 2011 IN AMERICA ARE THOSE 32.
“No, Senator Gregg is not afraid to debate. Democrats are the ones that are afraid to debate. Everything has been done behind closed doors and they have refused Republican input. This is because they are focused on the complete socialization of America and an honest, open discussion would be contrary to (and expose) their true intentions.”
he’s not afraid to debate, he just never found a internet junkie who is saying he is some polititian while posting from his mental rest home.

What’s nice is those groups who don’t/won’t work, can now get free health care along with their food stamps and subsidized housing, all paid for by working taxpayers. Heck, they don’t ever have to work. How great is that!

Chris…
And why do the wealthy of the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Canada, England, France et.al. use Phoenix Air flying hospitals to transport their families to the US for serious medical conditions?
Just because I give you a free lunch… does not mean it is edible!
Just Damn!

Go back to Kenya, where you came from.

Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Benedict Arnold. Synonymous in American history

R.I.P. America, any country need a constitution, ours isn’t being used. This president, and house Dems have caused more division in this country, and if any state does secede, Im sure they will see a large influx of people. This bill destroyed jobs, many large companies will move operations outside of the US. At best large companies may begin shedding the expense of providing health benefits, it instantly improves their bottom line as the penalties are far cheaper. Good job Dems, never thought Id see the demise of America as a free country

Wow, after reading all these posts, I feel like im some how dumber

Thank you Mr President and all the Democrats who voted for the future economic ruin of this Country and creating a level of division, never seen before in Politic’s.

What a shame.. Western Europe and Canada have afforded free Health Care because OUR military has covered them for half a century. Does anyone really think the Democrats will ever cut Medicare. Nope, it will come out of our Defense budget. Then what ? A world class Chinese military against ashes….

blah, blah, blah. The United States voting population voted OUT the GOP-8-Year-Nightmare morons. Get over it and get out of the way. Health Care Reform will continue unabated for years.

Oh please. The sheer number of you that bought the whole ‘Armageddon’ rhetoric is disturbing. Yes, we’ll happily see you in November. When the right spent years forcing through whatever it wanted, it was good. Now that something was forced through that you don’t like, “OMG WE GUNNA DIIIEEEE” and other junk.
When you say “we will never vote for this ever”, why would anyone bring you in behind closed doors? What would that solve?
“No no no no no never no” gets old real fast. I bet the same people that said NO to EVERYTHING are the same ones that, when campaigning, say things like “since taking office, what has Obama done? Nothing! So you should elect me to get things done.” I’ll be watching to see the hypocrisy continue to unfold.

The constitution is self explanatory.It was written in very clear language so as not to have any arguments about it’s meaning.The house and the senate have both become so corrupt they try to misinform people of a plain language document.You have a lot of rights in America check article 9.They were just so many to list them would be an unending task.Commerce is not a right.It is a privilege.You have the privilege to buy insurance.You have the privilege to buy a house.Your rights are different your rights are something your body needs or you do involuntarily. Your rights tell you when you are impeding someone else’ right.Your rights are from inside,your privilege comes from outside.When you bribe someone with water you are impeding their right.When you tax water you are stealing money.Nothing in this country was meant to be the federal governments.The states made choices.The federal government defends the choice of the majority.IT all comes down to your belief in the American dream is it in you or does the government control you?FREEDOM?

nothing is free

Whoa, Chris, not even the Virgin Islands or American Samoa have FREE health care coverage – they just have taxes high enough to pay for those who don’t have coverage or even pay taxes. Just like the US.
Of course, our taxes will be skyrocketing in order to keep pace with health care costs.

see you in november obummer!!

What’s next you ask, immigration After this mess they will need new voters were screwed

Unfortunately Fred is dead on with his comment…Democrats and Onono are counting on passing Immigration Reform. That’s 8-11 million votes for these corrupt politicians. First they will get “amnesty” and then registered to vote, and with “Obamacare” they will get translators (required in the Bill) to help them fill out any forms.
Let the Revolution Begin.

I can’t wait till the United States of America reaches the heights of excellence as that of the Virgin Islands, Haiti and Cuba!…..

screw the insurance companies. They are corrupt. tax the sh!t out of the super rich. what do I care….i’ll never be super rich. and now I can go to whatever job I want and roll my employer over a barrel.. This is a great turn around..

Joe Public,
Your analysis is wrong. ALL the Rs were not to blame. However, All the dems were. The only way to turn this is back is by winning, even incrementally. You will never get your your Utopia–60 conservative constitutionalists and 216 conservative constitutionalists, 1 presidential constitutionalist, and 9 good judges. What of Representatives like Mike Pence? It’s his fault? Please grow up. It’s guys like you that gave us 2006 and 2008–and that lead to this moment. You whined about the lack of purity in the Republican party and didn’t vote. Or voted for third party irrelevancy. Grow up and get on board–we need to turn this ship.

I have feared a terrorist attack on our capital….. Now I’m afraid there won’t be…

The senate passed this bill. Why would they want to fix it? I think a lot of house democrats are going to wake up and find that they were lied to. Well, they deserve what they get. Can’t BO repeal that executive order any time he wants? Hey Cardoza and Costa, water on in the central valley yet? Hey guy from Utah, is your brother a judge yet? Hey Nelson, started on that VA hospital yet?
Garbage. All of them are garbage, from BO, Reid, and Pelosi on down.

what about all the illegals that we want to make legal and furnish health care too.

Are you really so dumb to believe that anything is Free? There is no free lunch, and we all, as usual will end up paying dearly for this crap.

It will be interesting to see how the Stock Market reacts to this legislation. I predict that the value of Pharmaceutical Stocks and the value of the 401Ks that are anchored in Pharmaceutical Stocks will drop faster than Bill Clinton’s Belt Buckle.

B-Bear. What inside information do you have. A debate? Who even knows what is in the bill? Vote on it and find out later what you voted for! How quaint. Under the circumstances of vote for anything as long as something is passed simply implies that power and control are of primary importance, and health is simply a vehicle of opportunity.

the poll in Nov 2008 gave the WH and every available contested senate seat to the dems to pass hc refor. and they have almost delivered upon thier pledge. how do you explain the hundreds of hours of debate on tv including 6 houes live from blair house? the gop had all the levers for 12 years and did NOTHING, but allow our country to be attacked, passed a script law that was unfunded and forbid the govt form competively bidding out contracts, started 2 unfunded wars, gave an unfunded trillion dollar tax cut to for millionaires to invest in our global competitors. you people make me sick with your lies.

We are going to clean out the senate and house in November.
Say goodbye to your majority Dems – celebrate while you can for soon comes the wailing, crying, and gnashing of teeth.

See what happens when you elect entities (politicians cease to be human after they have sold their souls) whose shoes size matches their IQ!

If your democrat, your socialist. That case is no proven.

POOR Stupack.. He got HOSED . Hasn’t he learned YET that Obama LIES at every turn. This Fraud will get his comeuppance and should consider updating his resume alonmg with all other DIMI C RAys… Change Is COMING .. VOTE EM ALL OUT including Obama!!!

The fact that this bill stinks to high heaven with backroom deals and that it is financially unsound doesn’t matter.
Obama’s Presidency is more important than anything. This bill is just a proxy for keeping him alive and well in political terms. He can not fail. The Dems won’t allow it and the press won’t allow it. Wait for the media to sing Obama’s praises from now until November. No matter how bad all of this is, its all about saving Obama.

Rush Limbaugh predicted that this would happen last week. It looks like ABC got scooped by the talk show host who bills himself as “America’s Anchorman”.

Ever see Mars Attacks? Oh how I wish…

way to go dems. signed your own political suicide pacts with obamacare. we all knew you were morons.

It is going to be interesting to see where Frumin’s loyalty lies — to the institution of the US Senate, or to the DNC. Note, that Frumin has his current postion because of the actions of Trent Lott in 2001. I think it is a fair bet the he would have been re-re-reappointed by the DNC in 2002.
Frumin holds the distinction of being the only Senate Parliamentarian appointed by both both parties.

I have been monitoring blogs and message boards for the last three weeks. About 150 of them. The anger and opinion against this bill is phenomenal. The Dems are in serious trouble.

OH Please, So does this mean all you idealogs are NOT going to keep your kids on your policy or you will allow the insurance co to say you have a PEC or your fine with them not covering your illness (mental excluded) or your fine paying over $500 a month for your insurance. I’m a life long GOP and a lot of this bill is good (a lot sinks) BUT THE SKY IS’NT FALLING.

November!

@ Richard
Maybe it’s time for States to leave the Union and form their own country, just like East and West Germany.
———————————–
I have been thinking the same thing, I think we should send all the liberals to California and Trade California to the Chinese to eliminate our debt with them! How’s that sound for deficit reducing health care initiative?

I like the fact that several states are going to file lawsuits against this. I wish California would, but unfortunately we have the village idiot for an attorney general and his sidekick the governator. Neither of which have any integrity or character. They seem to mirror the current admin in Washington.

Congress fiddled while Rome burned. Where are the jobs? Where is our credit rating? Without jobs and without credit — How do we pay for this?

It’s funny all you Neo-Cons calling Obama a dictator. Where were the calls of dictatorship when the republican house, senate, and Bush forced destruction of rights on us all in the name of fighting terrorists? GW Bush was more of a dictator than Obama will ever be.

I am so confused in what is in, what is not in.. what kicks in when.. when do the taxes and income aspects come to the fore…when do people get care..how is that going to be done… how it really all is paid for..what procedural rules apply… I do not like what is being passed but to really get a real understanding of all of its aspects is a lot to understand and I have a sad feeling that those that moved on it… don’t know the details either… just a hunch or what the consequences are, they don’t want to talk about.. of which there are many….ugh.

Dear Mr. Government
I do not have health care insurance. I do not have a job. Your new law requires me to pay for health care insurance but I can’t because I don’t have a job or any income. I am very scared right now, I don’t want to go to jail. Please tell me everything is going to be ok so I can go cash my 99th unemployment check with some peace of mind.
US Citizen
PS. My kids don’t have money to pay your health care insurance bills either. Please don’t arrest us.

AN ADDED THOUGHT-BANKRUPT IS A CONDITION THAT INVOLVES NOT ONLY HEALTH CARE-ALSO WHERE TO LIVE, WHAT YOU GET TO EAT,AND THE VERY QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS AMERICAN. IF WE COME OUT SHOOTING ON JUST ONE ISSUE—WE MIGHT HAVE NO BULLETS OR SWORDS TO HUNT FOR FOOD. THE POLITICAL PARTIES ARE NOT WORTH FIGHTING OR DYING FOR—-IF WE MUST CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT-FINE—BUT THINK OUT CAREFULLY WHAT TO REPLACE IT WITH. I ASSURE YOU ALL-RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE ARSENALS TO REMOVE THE GOVERNMENT—BUT WE WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS TO DIRE PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THEMSELVES. SHOOTING UP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR GETTING VIOLENT OVER! POLITICS AIN’T PART OF THE SOLUTION.THEY WANT YOU TO RUN AROUND LIKE CRAZY AND GET IN TROUBLE—-WE DO NOT! WE RESPECT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS MORE–AFTER ALL- I WAS A GUARD FOR THIRTY YEARS-THAT TOOK DISCIPLINE ( IF NOT A TOUCH OF MASOCHISTIC DEVOTION AMONGST WOLVES! )! POINT IS-WE HAVE ISSUES TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE FIGHT “THE GOOD FIGHT”.

we can not afford this bill as writen kill this bill and rewrite