Stupak Ready to Deal?

I guess everyone’s moral convictions are for sale.

does anyone know a good bankrupcy attorney?

For our congress and President Pelosi to say that Democrats can vote and keep their vote a secret is outrageous, sneaky and underhanded. What’s America all about anyway? What about the American citizens and what THEY want?

Abortions are legal. The federal government should not be making civil decisions based on religious theology. Money that goes to clinics that may perform abortions is good. Denying choice for a legal procedure is wrong.

Babies are not something to deal with, they are not religious or political fodder. T
hey are tiny human beings just waiting to be born, loved and nurtured to be the best they can be, maybe even president of the United States.
We have already proven ANYONE can gain the presidency with this Obama character!

I hope he stands his ground, and votes no. Time to tell the political machine, that principles, are more important than party loyalty.

This whole, ‘I’m not voting for the bill because of abortion’ is absurd. 32 MILLION people will be covered under this plan. Aren’t 32 MILLION AMERICANS a little more important than a few hypothetical fetuses? There will still be abortions if this bill doesn’t pass. Voting ‘no’ on this bill will not stop abortions-GET OVER IT!
Make poverty history-CHEAPER DRUGS NOW!

***Aren’t 32 MILLION AMERICANS a little more important than a few hypothetical fetuses?
Posted by: Darren | Mar 19, 2010 9:41:44 AM***
No. The 32 million Americans alive have social programs and availability of representatives to protect them. Unborn children do not.
I will choose the unprotected innocent.
Besides that trading the lives of one set of Americans for the lives of other Americans goes against our found principles that all Americans(I read this as including the unborn) have the right of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, which the government should be set up to protect at all possible.
If the government cannot or chooses not to protect all of its citzens the it falls on the citizens themselves to provide for their need.

Hey Bob… do you really have a choice if the kids are born? That’s really up to God isn’t it? You could support anti abortion legislation all day long, and the kid could be still born.
How about if a parent has the assurance that the child will have health care its entire life… she can better decide to keep a child rather than abort.
Here’s the thing… Bob… you don’t get a choice about abortion. Its between God, the Woman, and her Doc. You can’t insert your “opinion” in that decision…
In Fact, if the healthcare plan DID affect her choice, you’d be crying the government is meddling in her choice. You can’t have it both ways.

***Posted by: DewyB | Mar 19, 2010 10:40:15 AM***
I don’t argue that it is the choice between God and the Woman, the catch though is if she does choose to have an abortion I don’t want my tax dollars to pay for it, or to go to any group or clinic that provides abortions as a birth control measure.
You seem to imply that even though I am a voting citizen who pays taxes, that I don’t have the right to decide where my contribution to the government is spent.
I disagree with you.
Besides even though abortion is legal, I believe that when I state my oposition to that practice I am absolving myself of the consequences of that decision.
My hands are clean.
***In Fact, if the healthcare plan DID affect her choice, you’d be crying the government is meddling in her choice. You can’t have it both ways.***
Not sure what you are getting at here.
I will just say that she should have the free choice, as an American Citizen who pays taxes, that she should be able make her healthcare chooices without any government interference, aside from an extremely limited amount of regulation to protect her from poor practices.
If the government has any more role in the Doctor-Patient relationship than that the patient is worse off for it.

Reagan: “Tear down this wall.” Obama: Tear down this Country.

I’m shocked but not surprised about Stupak. If anything has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in the last year, is that every politician has morals that are for sale.
It’s like the old joke, now that we’ve established what you are, let’s dicker about the price.
Integrity is dead in Washington.
I only have one remaining question, how many lawyers does it take for our country to go through bankruptcy? And how many of us are going to need them on a personal level?
So many people on the edge, the Bush tax cuts going to retire, now increased premiums for insurance on the horizon, increased taxes for all of the moronic ideas of these craven idiots.
Time to rise up, America. There are more of us than there are of them and at last check, we still have the power of the ballot box. Send them ALL home.

Progress is when government bribes people with other peoples money. It has sunk to new levels with this saint of liberalism, Obama. Helluva system, you stick your hand deeper into a citizens pocket to advance your own power. So this is “progressivism ?

Stupak will find a way to cave in.
If he had any honor, he wouldn’t be a Democrat to begin with.
Worst, most corrupt legislation ever and all these clowns can think about is their own career prospects.

Jason – What exactly is an American Catholic? What do they believe compared to Roman Catholic? When was the last time you went to your American Catholic Church?

So, the Catholic Nuns have read and pretend to understand a bill that hasn’t even been made available yet? Interesting. A bill, mind you, that Congress will vote on without knowing exactly what it contains. A bill that the CBO is not being forthright about since they have indicated that the cost will be just under a trillion dollars this decade, but they neglect to extrapolate out a decade beyond which would show the true trillion++ cost of this fiasco. Now that just soothes the soul, doesn’t it?

Abortions are legal. The federal government should not be making civil decisions based on religious theology. Money that goes to clinics that may perform abortions is good. Denying choice for a legal procedure is wrong.
Posted by: Ryan | Mar 19, 2010 8:53:33 AM
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Ryan, not funding abortions with taxpayer funds isn’t about “religion” – it’s about not killing babies with federal money. Yes, it’s legal. So are hair transplants. They’re both elective procedures that you can damn well pay for yourself if you choose to get one. Medically necessary abortions are already paid for, and all the rest are strictly for convenience.

So Casey, as a Democrat, I would like to know how you feel about the irresponsible spending
spree that this administration has been on. Where is all of the stimulus that was supposes to keep unemployment below double digits? What do you think will happen if and when this administration turns its attention to immigration and grants citizenship to millions who are here illegally? How will this affect our healthcare system if Obamacare becomes the law of the land? Costs will skyrocket! What about the cap and trade bill? Gas pricing of over 6 dollars a gallon, electricity rates up as much as 80%, etc. You see, Democrats are on a mission to wreak financial havoc on as many citizens as possible in order to have these citizens at their mercy. I fell for their lies in the past, but not any more. They are on a path to bankrupt our country. But why should these rich Democrats care? They exempt themselves from most everything that they enact. It’s time to have fiscal responsibility in this country, and the Democrats don’t know anything about that.

Joe Democrat, I expect to see death panels, rampant abortions, in your face socialism, Americans fleeing out of this country like claimed they do in Canada or the GOP is toast for many years to come. If ANYTHING improves(including the economy) and my aunt(pre-existing conditions) and two cousins suddenly get health insurance…or my sisters boyfriend company suddenly offers him insurance…a lot of fence sitters will be paying close attention and have no doubt that there will be consequences.

Incredible! I never thought the level of corruption would reach such a low point!
For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed of my country.

This morning was the end of Stupak’s TV career. You may see him in reruns for a couple of days. The next time will be in a campaign commercial of the democrat running against Stupak for his seat!

Jana, 25 pro-life theologians couldn’t find it either and asked Congress to pass the bill. Things like this make me very suspicious as to why one side is willing to scare people into being against HCR.
Again, if this country is not in complete turmoil…I know who I won’t be voting for in 2012 and I know I won’t be alone.

I hope our reps. will have a backbone and stand up to this healthbill and vote no. Just in- Ried slipped in a clause in the middle of the night in Section 3403 that reads: that any amendment or conference report would REPEAL OR OTHERWISE CHANGE this subsection. In other words if Obama signs the bill into law NO future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their Reps. in Congress wish otherwise!! They can put in and add amendments and we can’t do anything about it!!! No telling what they will add !! The airplane ride and bribes may show up at a later date as an amendment!! We will slip it in and wait a while and you will get your pay off !!! That’s what it amounts to. Stupak better think long and hard-he could be tricked into this!

I think there should be a “means test” in Obamacare for both abortion and the death panels. If our tax money is going for the healthcare costs than I want to make sure people have the lifestyle and money to be able to raise a child. Likewise there should be forced rehab, fat farms, and anti-smoking programs for those with unhealthy lifestyles. Also once you turn into a “net gainer”, like once you retire, you should be forced on a death panel to determine the worth of providing you healthcare versus your contribution to Obamaland.

The US Constitution states that to ‘provide for the general welfare’ is a core mission of government, the one with ‘We the People’in it. It doesn’t say that corporations are individuals or that benefits of living here should eventually trickle down to the masses. It declares the nation to be for ‘We the People’ and makes government the responsible party to make that happen. In fact, the plan closest to what the founders intended is universal coverage.
That the present bill struggles to achieve that is due primarily to the enormous power that corporate special interest money plays in our corrupt political system.

wow has the president got the national guard on stand by? the emotion/passion in these comments, which i love, may hint to civil unrest if this passes more than a few demonstrations? I wonder if this president has thought of that
God Bless America