By Julie Percha

Mar 23, 2010 8:07am

The Arena: New Strategies Looking Like Old Strategies

By Rick Klein It’s just a signature. But it comes with a price, for all involved — and, for once, you don’t need the Congressional Budget Office to provide an estimate. A new phase of the Obama presidency starts at 11:15 am ET Tuesday in the East Room of the White House, when President Obama makes the health care bill — breathe deep here — law. (ABC News will carry the bill signing live — and will be livestreaming at ABCNews.com.)
 
It’s a new phase for the GOP opposition, too — though it may look a lot like the old phase. There will be other big congressional fights this year. The sparring inside the Senate is likely to stretch through the week, and Republicans just may make Democrats engage in a few more parliamentary gymnastics before we’re through. But the major legislative lifting is now done. This is about politics now — about costs and consequences, about town hall meetings and court battles and heart-wrenching stories and bureaucratic implementation and perceptions and all the rest. For Democrats, the big question is whether the old Obama magic can turn some stubborn numbers around, now that there’s a bill to sell. For Republicans, it’s whether the strategy that got them this far is likely to last through the fall. (That’s a lot of months to re-fight battles effectively lost.) Health care will exhaust us through twists and turns through November and far beyond. But this is a rare opportunity in a tiring debate to take stock — and for Democrats to recast a strategy against opponents who’ve chosen theirs. “Other issues, such as the economy, may loom larger by November than the heated debate that has raged for more than a year over Obama’s health-care initiative,” Dan Balz writes in The Washington Post. “But health care will become a proxy, say strategists in both parties, for the continuing debate over whether the Obama era represents a return to bigger and more intrusive government.” “Both parties must confront new tests after Congress’s action. Democrats must motivate and persuade voters who, for varying reasons, have been turned off by the long debate on Capitol Hill and by the president’s policies,” Balz writes. “Republicans must show that their dire predictions about the impact of the legislation are real and not just the politics of fear and opposition.” Why change now? “Both sides laid out their strategies for the fall midterm campaign — the same strategies that brought them here, only more and louder,” Politico’s Jonathan Allen, Carol E. Lee and Patrick O’Connor write. White House senior adviser David Axelrod: “I think this will sell itself.” (So we can all go home now?) “Americans have more security because of what the House of Representatives did on Sunday, because of the president’s leadership,” Axelrod told ABC’s Bill Weir, on “Good Morning America” Tuesday. The GOP response — Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn., on “GMA”: “This does look like an unprecedented overreach by the federal government, forcing individual citizens to buy a good or a service for no other reason other than they happen to be alive or a person … They’ve taken it to this big, federalized, bureaucratic, government-run, kind of nanny-nation approach.” (And Pawlenty didn’t bite on a Mitt Romney question.) About that victory lap: “We are here now to be … along with the Congresses that enacted Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights Act, health care for all Americans, all of that on a par,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told ABC’s Diane Sawyer Monday. “The same people who opposed Medicare opposed this.” “I’m in the arena,” Pelosi said. “You become speaker of the House, you’re in the arena, you are the target, you have to, shall we say, almost enjoy that.” Vicki Reggie Kennedy, on what Ted would have thought, to ABC’s Jonathan Karl: “I think he would’ve been exhilarated. You know, he was always a person about moving forward … He would be thrilled.”  Back to the trail: “The president and congressional Democrats will take their victory lap at a Washington signing ceremony Tuesday. Mr. Obama will then launch his effort to sell the new $940 billion health-care law to a skeptical electorate Thursday at an event in Iowa,” The Wall Street Journal’s Jonathan Weisman reports.  White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (not specifying which point he’s referring to): “At a certain point, winning is winning.” And losing is losing — and more delaying tactics plus repeal efforts that won’t actually result in anything close to repeal risk the GOP sore-loser status. Adam Nagourney in The New York Times: “Many provisions of the bill that go into effect this year — like curbs on insurance companies denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, or the expansion of prescription drug coverage for the elderly — are broadly popular with the public. The more contentious ones, including the mandate for the uninsured to obtain coverage, do not take effect for years.” “And in a week when Democrats are celebrating the passage of a historic piece of legislation, Republicans find themselves again being portrayed as the party of no, associated with being on the losing side of an often acrid debate and failing to offer a persuasive alternative agenda.” RNC Chairman Michael Steele (in a quote worth reading at least twice): “There is no downside for Republicans. … Only for Americans.”  ”There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told a radio interviewer in his home state. Axelrod, to ABC’s Jake Tapper: “You know, that’s okay on the sandlot but that’s not really okay when you’re trying to govern a country and move a country forward. It’s a disappointing attitude.” “Republicans certainly will make the case that the crusade has just begun,” Time’s Mark Halperin writes. “In this semantic skirmish, the White House, bolstered by the momentum of victory and allies old and new, is girded for combat.” Former Bush speechwriter David Frum, to ABC’s Jake Tapper, on “Good Morning America” Tuesday: “If you lose something as important as this, and you pick up some seats in 2010 — great, maybe you lose them in 2014. This bill will still be there — this bill will be there forever.” For the Republican message — it’s “repeal and replace”: “Absolutely — without a doubt,” Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., chairman of the Republican Study Committee, said on the repeal push Monday, on ABC’s “Top Line.” “I think what the message will be repeal this bill and reform or replace it with the kinds of things that are positive.” 
 
DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.,to Politico’s Alexander Burns: “Who am I to give my Republican colleagues advice, but if they want to run on, ‘Repeal the bill,’ we say: ‘Make my day.’ ” Learning curves: “As his fellow Republicans girded to oppose health care legislation in the Senate this week and readied a nationwide repeal effort, Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown said yesterday that he was not ready to join those efforts and was keeping his options open,” The Boston Globe’s Matt Viser and David Abel report. “By last night, Brown had clarified his position, promising to vote against the Democrats’ health care reconciliation package and pledging to support GOP repeal efforts.” Brewing … “It’s almost like a declaration of war to many people,” Tea Party organizer Eric Odom tells McClatchy’s Margaret Talev. “They’ve treated it as such. I think many more people are going to see it as the government’s no longer in their hands.” Cutting in multiple directions … “Now, thanks to health care reform, millions of working families will go to bed at night knowing that they are not an illness away from financial ruin,” David Brooks writes in his New York Times column. “For apostates like me, watching this bill go through the meat grinder was like watching an old family reunion. One glimpse and you got the whole panoply of what you loved and found annoying about these people.” “Obama and the Democrats have made one of the riskiest gambles in American political history,” Jill Lawrence writes for Politics Daily. “There will be many changes phasing in between now and 2018, and some will be far less welcome than others. Still, the sweeping health package has features with guaranteed appeal, such as consumer protections against insurance companies. And there’s simply no way it could live up — or down — to the Republicans’ doomsday rhetoric.” The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn: “Life will get a little better for most people and a lot better for a few. The sick will get some care. The fearful will know some serenity. And somewhere LBJ will be smiling. Harry Truman, too.” Obama’s task: “Part of his aim is to neutralize opponents who have cast the bill as an expensive government takeover of healthcare. If voters accept that caricature, Democrats will have an even tougher time staving off losses in the midterm elections,” the Los Angeles Times’ Peter Nicholas and Christi Parsons report. On the Senate floor, a final sequences: “The GOP officially launches its last stand against health care reform today, when a united Republican Conference takes to the Senate floor in an effort to dismantle portions of the legislation with a variety of tactics,” Roll Call’s David M. Drucker reports. “Republicans are ‘virtually certain’ there are flaws in the Democrats’ strategy that can be exploited to thwart the majority party’s plan for wrapping up health care legislation within the next few days, a senior Republican Senate aide said.” Where it really gets interesting — and impossible to track: “Even before the healthcare bill has become law, Republicans are backing an effort by a dozen state attorneys general to challenge the bill’s constitutionally in court, and they are making it a 2010 campaign priority to call for the law’s repeal,” the Los Angeles Times’ Janet Hook and James Oliphant report. Perspective, for the fall: “Politically engaged people said they expected President Barack Obama’s health-care legislation to produce additional donations and volunteers for local campaigns,” The Wall Street Journal’s Stephanie Simon, Douglas Belkin and Kris Maher report. “But there were also signs that the vast bulk of voters would focus elsewhere in November’s midterm elections. Much like gay marriage, health care may prove to be far more important in energizing people who are already politically active than the typical voter. The economy, by contrast, could remain a more overwhelming motivator.” Not much gets a whole lot easier: “President Obama and the Democrats hope to quickly tap the momentum from passage of their big health care bill to advance other initiatives on their political agenda, including curbing greenhouse gases, imposing new rules on Wall Street, and overhauling immigration laws,” The Boston Globe’s Michael Kranish and Susan Milligan report. 
 
“But success on any of those fronts is by no means assured, despite the popping corks and bumping fists. Republicans are seeking to blunt any sense of Democratic progress, starting this week with efforts to scuttle a health care reconciliation measure in the Senate, and followed by a blistering repeal campaign that will target the health legislation leading up to November’s congressional elections.” “The paradox of the health care vote is that, even as Mr. Obama has gained a much-needed infusion of political capital, it may not help him advance his agenda on Capitol Hill,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times. Momentum? Arianna Huffington: “As he pivots to addressing these other major issues, let’s hope the president and his party don’t wait until their backs are up against the wall — and have given too much of the farm away to a party unwaveringly committed to maintaining the broken status quo — before doing the things they should have been doing all along.” Speaking of subject changes: “[White House Communications Director Dan] Pfeiffer jokes that the State Department also may help fill Obama’s plate,” USA Today’s Susan Page and Mimi Hall write. “The president will have some tricky foreign policy issues to tackle. Even as he continues the planned withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and preside over the troop buildup he has ordered in Afghanistan, Obama faces other challenges: seeking international sanctions on Iran to try to check its nuclear ambitions; negotiating with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons stockpiles; trying to restart peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians. He meets today at the White House with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.” On the meeting with Netanyahu — at AIPAC, defiance: “The connection between the Jewish people and Jerusalem cannot be denied. The Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 year ago and the Jewish people are building Jerusalem today. Jerusalem is not a settlement. It’s our capital,” the prime minister said Monday night, per ABC’s Kirit Radia. Politico’s Ben Smith: “Netanyahu, who apologized for the announcement of new housing in Jerusalem during Joe Biden’s visit ten days ago, does not reprise his apology. … Instead, he reminds the White House that the new housing — though a thumb in the eye — did not actually violate any commitment he’d made, as any settlement freeze always excluded Jerusalem.” ABC’s Martha Raddatz, on “GMA” Tuesday: “The US is expecting Netanyahu to tell President Obama that the Israelis will make no further announcements about housing while the peace process gets back on track.” In New York — rumblings getting louder: “Dan Senor, a Bush II advisor and husband of CNN’s Campbell Brown, is poised to announce his challenge to Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand before the week is out, according to multiple sources familiar with his plans,” The New York Daily News’ Elizabeth Benjamin writes. “GOP and Conservative leaders have been encouraging Senor to throw his hat into the ring. His announcement will likely come Wednesday or Thursday.” In Florida — a storyline gets new details: “Days before he was sworn in as speaker of the Florida House, Marco Rubio and his top deputies hopped on a charter plane to Washington, checked into a $600-a-night hotel hosting a Republican Party conference and hired a chauffeur to squire them around the city,” Adam C. Smith writes in the St. Petersburg Times. “The costs were charged to the state party-issued credit card belonging to Rubio’s chief of staff, Richard Corcoran, a Republican operative who had recently been transferred to the state payroll. During the five months of his $175,000-a-year job in Rubio’s office, Corcoran continued spending tens of thousands of dollars in party donations for a slew of expenses, including dinners with his boss, personalized chairs for Republican leaders and $4,600 for electronics, according to American Express statements obtained by the St. Petersburg Times and Miami Herald.”
The Kicker: “I don’t take it personally, except I take it as a compliment for all women.” — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, on characterizations of her as the most powerful woman in US history, and the most powerful speaker in a century, to ABC’s Diane Sawyer. “It’s been an unpredictable twelve months worthy of its own full-length, full-color comic book chronicle.” — Writer Robert Schnakenberg, on the second installment of “Female Force: Michelle Obama: YEAR ONE.”
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Better to be sore losers instead of sorry winners. The war has just begun.

Posted by: wizcat123 | March 23, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am

The Heritage Foudation reports: “Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli plans to sue the federal government on grounds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution:
“At no time in our history has the government mandated its citizens buy a good or service,” Cuccinelli said.
Separately, attorneys general in 11 other states – Florida, South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Pennsylvania, Washington, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alabama and Michigan – plan to join together in filing a lawsuit as soon as President Barack Obama signs the legislation into law, according to a Jacksonville Business Journal and Associated Press reports.”

Posted by: tarheeltroll | March 23, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am

For the past 30 years the federal government has been raiding the social security fund and now complain that it is insolvent, and now they will have another fund to raid along with social security, this is just another tax to fill the trough nothing more nothing less.

Posted by: Sideeous | March 23, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am

Sideeous: And that’s President Obama’s fault, right ?

Posted by: New Wave | March 23, 2010, 9:24 am 9:24 am

It’s anybody’s fault who puts POLITICIAN on their tax form, but oh wait politicians don’t pay taxes. LOL

Posted by: Sideeous | March 23, 2010, 9:26 am 9:26 am

For all the lies and vitriol spewed by the Dems and the Wh Americans will find this presidency is a fraud, This WH has a plan to take away all your freedoms, they will do it gradually so you won’t realize what you have lost untill its too late. It is also the socialist way to ridicule and lie about your opponent and this is just what the Dems and the Wh are doing.

Posted by: jollics2 | March 23, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am

jollics2: Righties usual attempt to rewrite history, eh? The GOP and Tea Party people spread lies against the health bill over the past year.
It’s very simple: Whenever there is a debate, the side that results to lies is the one on the wrong side of the issue.
It is that simple. No amount of lies against health insurance reform stopped the bill.
LIES against health care reform:
-> Lie 1 – There will be Death Panels
-> Lie 2 – Healthcare reform is government takeover
-> Lie 3 – Reconciliation process have never be used for healthcare-related bills.
-> Lie 4 – Healthcare reform will increase premiums
-> Lie 5 – Healthcare reform will kill Medicare
-> Lie 6 – Healthcare reform will stop mamograms
The truth will set all free.

Posted by: New Wave | March 23, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Well, there will be a momentum as a result of the health care bill, but I don’t believe it’ll go towards Obama and the Democrats in Congress. The ground swell of protest the Tea Party gnerated last summer will grow, enlist new Patriots and march towrds an overwhelming defeat of Democrats in the fall. My concern is that the Democrats will just pass everything in sight knowing there’s no way there’ll be back next January. A pell mell rush into stupidity.

Posted by: BubblerDad | March 23, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The real issue for recovery is the generation of jobs, jobs and jobs. yes, there will be more government jobs in DC to police those who don’t buy insurance. Corporations and small business will be less likely to do new hiring , because of increased tax for HCR, and greater uncertainty about the future of private industry. for example, Caterpillar is against HCR, because it will cost 100 million dollar more every year. State governments are already in serious budget deficit and big cutting in cutting jobs are already taking place in state jobs. The HCR will put big burden on state government to expand the size of Medicaid. Overall, the HCR will greatly slow down nation’s recovery process, even if the Fed government further increase the stimulus spending.

Posted by: austin | March 23, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am

The Dems are going to get some momentum all right, momentum to the unemployment lines.

Posted by: billy bob | March 23, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am

New Wave | Mar 23, 2010 10:11:52 AM….Are you up for more truth? Read NY Times “The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform “

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Pelosi, Reid and Obama had to bribe, lie, and arm twist to get the bill thru. What about cost savings reforms? Read the Cloward and Pivn strategy.

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

That last post should have read Cloward and Piven.

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Mark my word , the battle has just started . I am an independent and we are ready to vote in Republicans to change this bill and leave America to the believe we have trusted and known and not this new socialistic ideas Obama is forcing on us

Posted by: Tom | March 23, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Tom | Mar 23, 2010 11:25:18 AM…Same here.

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Here he goes again, spewing the same old lies. Yes, kids with pre-existing conditions will be allowed insurance IF their parents can afford to buy it. Yes, small business will get tax breaks to offset the cost of insurance, but the tax breaks will not cover nearly enough to offset the costs and small business will then not hire. For every positive he gives, he never says what the negatives are and there ARE more negatives than positives. The whole problem with this bill!

Posted by: moderatekelly | March 23, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am

The most important part of the WSJ article: In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion……Even worse, some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office’s tabulation.”
There you have it. This is a really bad bill for America.

Posted by: moderatekelly | March 23, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am

New momentum? The only momentum the dems have now is downward. They ignored the will of the people and rammed an unconstitutional piece of healthcare “reform” through.
Obama will never be re-elected. As for the rest of the socialist liberals running loose in Washington, they will all be finding new places to live in nov.
Every single person who voted for this marxist should be forced onto his healthcare scheme (which he has been describing in detail since 2007) and leave the rest of us alone who didn’t buy into the media’s lovefest.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2010, 11:52 am 11:52 am

WSJ: A government takeover of all federally financed student loans — which obviously has nothing to do with health care — is rolled into the bill because it is expected to generate $19 billion in deficit reduction. ++++++ plus they are taxing it 4% for our children to pay for OUR health care!

Posted by: moderatekelly | March 23, 2010, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Obama says “Overheated Rhetoric” will go on by GOP as he is spewing “overheated rhetoric” – how ironic.

Posted by: moderatekelly | March 23, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am

The battle lines have been cleary drawn now thanks to this initial step towards a government run utopia. Americans are witnessing a battle for capitalism and liberty.
The democrat party was hijacked by socialists long ago and the republican party was hijacked by rhinos who resembled democrats.
A conservative sweep will take place in november, followed by a conservative victory in 2012.
The marxist in the White House has finally exposed himself to America.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

For anyone who was FOR this bill, ask almost any immigrant what they think.

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Deanbob
The lame stream media somehow never mentions that cuba was blessed with a similar situation to ours back in the 1950′s. A young, charismatic speaker came to power shouting about the need for free healthcare for all and free education for all.
Fast forward a little bit and pregnant woman are drowning in rafts attempting to have their babies born in America rather then be subjected to the “free healthcare” and the diplomas aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.

Posted by: Dave | March 23, 2010, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

If President Barack Obama does nothing else in the next two and 3/4 years left of his preidency, he will still go down as one of the most positive and effective American Presidents in our time.
This is a great achievement. Pity the Republicans refused to share in the effort to reform healthcare. History will remember that too. I look back on my life and I realize the point I became a Democrat was during the Nixon years. How many young people in 2010 have had their party perceptions set by the behavior of Republican leaders during these debates? The lies, smears, misinformation and outright insults do not reflect well on the Republican Party. I’m proud to say today, I’m a Democrat and always will be.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 23, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

New Wave, Healthcare reform will increase premiums especially in states like Pennsylvania. You need to get the facts. Right now I can get a really good Blue Cross policy for $200 as a 30-yr old male. In Massachusetts a similar Blue Cross policy cost $450 a month. You can’t deny that because it is fact.
Also anyone who believes that premiums won’t increase is ignorant because if you say you must charge the same for everyone regardless of health, weight, lifestyle then that will raise premiums.
If children can stay on their parents policy until 26 years old and not have an additional charge for that then premiums will increase for everyone.
If you say insurance companies have to cover preventive services with no-copay that is great but it increases premiums.
Taxes, mandates and gov’t interference will all raise premiums.
If you don’t know basic economics please ask someone to educate you on how things work in the big people’s world. I know its tough living in kiddie land where the gov’t provides you with everything.

Posted by: VoteDemsOut | March 23, 2010, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Amy: “The lies, smears, misinformation and outright insults do not reflect well on the Republican Party. I’m proud to say today, I’m a Democrat and always will be.”
The exact rational for never becoming a Democrat, for whom the description more aptly applies.

Posted by: keys2truth | March 23, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

“Taxes, mandates and gov’t interference will all raise premiums.”
This is a baseless assertion. I have news for you: Anthem just asked Maine in February to allow it to raise premiums by 23%! Rising premiums are the staus quo.
The reform bill puts caps on premiums and out of pocket expenses. Having everybody in the insurance pool, including healthy young people, will lower premiums for everybody.
THe nasty surprises the industry used to pull on people, including dropping them when they get sick, fighting legitimate claims, not covering chemotherapy, etc. are eliminated.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 23, 2010, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

keys2truth
The Republican idea of debate:
death panels! aborted babies! rationed healthcare! jail time for libertarians! government takeover! doctors becoming golf instructors! onerous taxes! The “n” word! the “f” word! “you lie!” “Baby killer!” Snowe is a RINO! We will make this Obama’s Waterloo!
blah, blah, blah

Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 23, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Dave | Mar 23, 2010 12:11:51 PM…..I know very well. My neighbor immigrated from Cuba in the 1960′s and he and his brother (jailed for expressing concerns) has horror stories of Che Guevarra and Fidel Castro. My neighbor asks “why people don’t see what is happening?”. Because they are the frogs in the pot with the gradual heat rises (can’t separate facts from feelings).

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Amy, the “f” word, you mean like Joe Biden?

Posted by: keys2truth | March 23, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Amy in Maine | Mar 23, 2010 1:03:41 PM….I challenge you to read the NY Times article I mentioned earlier of the Wall St Journal article referred to earlier about the actual cost of the bill: According to Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the former CBO director from 2003 to 2005, the federal deficit will increase by $562 billion. Why did Pelosi, Reid and Obama lie about the cost? They knew the $500 B savings from fraud and abuse can not be counted for the deficit reduction AND to pay for the new entitlement SIMULTANEOUSLY? Do you have the intellectual honesty?

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

So, AMY, do you have the intellectual honesty?

Posted by: deanbob | March 23, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

deanbob
“So, AMY, do you have the intellectual honesty?”
Yeah, keep up the personal insults, that really wins the independents over.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 23, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

I have found it pointless to debate right wingnuts. They engage in circular debate while ignoring all facts. Or they manufacture their own opinion out of thin air and present them as ‘facts’.
Last week Wednesday was really laughable, a wingnut posted some page numbers and contents supposedly from the health bill. Each of which was a lie. The person thought that by posting page numbers, they’ll appear to be true. That may work with Tea Party folks but not anyone that is interested in finding out the truth.
Plan B for them is to fall back on name-calling. As we learn everyday – ‘Right Wingers take pride in being ignorant’

Posted by: New Wave | March 23, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

New Wave Do u work for DNC?

Posted by: tony | March 23, 2010, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

tony: You just confirmed by point. Thanks!

Posted by: New Wave | March 23, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

“Amy in Maine”; I just droppen in and I see you’re still “fighting the good fight!” Fortunately the “Fright WingNuts” haven’t worn you down.
I think “New Wave” picked up some of the “Back-up” – That’s Good.
Both of you should visit us over on TDB, it often get’s somewhat “heated” but representation is much more equitable and the quality of discussion content is a “real plus.”

Posted by: bobj72 | March 23, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

I get asked periodically on this blog if I work for the DNC. Nope. I’m a receptionist at a travel agency with access to the Internet. I actually really care about things like facts, truth, and consequences.
It drives me nuts, the propaganda machine out there. I struggle to educate myself on the issues. It amazes me what a bad job the MSM does of just putting out the facts. I do read the WSJ, NYT and various sites like Kaiser Foundation , trying to figure out the pro’s and con’s, but it feels futile to try to raise the discussion on these blogs.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 23, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

The Obama/Democratic Plan is two fold.
The first is Health Care from Cradle to Grave.
The second part is that they are going to move the Grave CLOSER with withholding of care for old, infirmed and poor…..
Wait and watch for the bitter next phase.

Posted by: Reality Wit | March 23, 2010, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Two years ago Mr. Holtz-Eakin was proposing unspecified cuts to Medicare as a way to make McCain’s health plan deficit neutral, the same math he’s now decrying as unrealistic.
“John McCain would pay for his health plan with major reductions to Medicare and Medicaid, a top aide said, in a move that independent analysts estimate could result in cuts of $1.3 trillion over 10 years to the government programs.
The Republican presidential nominee has said little about the proposed cuts, but they are needed to keep his health-care plan “budget neutral,” as he has promised. The McCain campaign hasn’t given a specific figure for the cuts, but didn’t dispute the analysts’ estimate.
In the months since Sen. McCain introduced his health plan, statements made by his campaign have implied that the new tax credits he is proposing to help Americans buy health insurance would be paid for with other tax increases.
But Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Sen. McCain’s senior policy adviser, said Sunday that the campaign has always planned to fund the tax credits, in part, with savings from Medicare and Medicaid. Those government health-care programs serve seniors, poor families and the disabled. Medicare spending for the fiscal year ended Sept. 30 is estimated at $457.5 billion.
Mr. Holtz-Eakin said the Medicare and Medicaid changes would improve the programs and eliminate fraud, but he didn’t detail where the cuts would come from.”

Posted by: gary | March 23, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

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