Trust Time: Health Care Hinges on Rare Commodity
By Rick Klein
You can get a massage or have a tickle party or wax your back or even build a settlement. We’re not going anywhere until we have a bill, anyway.
The waiting game is back. There needs to be legislation, with a price tag. Until then, what’s the point of counting? (And how have pauses in the action worked out for health care in the past?)
Your final, final, final push on health care comes down to trust: Does the House trust the Senate? Will the rank-and-file trust the leadership? Can Democrats trust the politics to the White House? And can the public put its trust in the party in power one last time?
President Obama, in Missouri, talking: “The time for talk is over. It’s time to vote. … I’m tired of talking about it.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., after late-night health care talks broke up Wednesday night: “We’re going to get started.”
The talk starts to wind down with a number — and this is another one of those moments where it’s all about the Congressional Budget Office.
And then it will be all about the legwork: “It will come down to a phenomenal effort by congressional leaders and the White House to win over skittish lawmakers after a year of incendiary debate, even as Obama keeps up campaign-style appearances designed to fire up public support,” the AP’s Erica Werner reports. “A closed-door meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office Wednesday evening moved congressional leaders and administration officials close to agreement on such issues as additional subsidies to help lower-income families purchase health insurance and more aid for states under the Medicaid program for low-income Americans.”
Not done cutting and pasting: “The president wants to eliminate more than just Sen. Ben Nelson’s ‘Cornhusker Kickback’ and Sen. Bill Nelson’s agreement to shield 800,000 Florida seniors from Medicare Advantage cuts,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown reports. “Obama has asked Reid to strike provisions requested by senators from at least five other states, in an unusual move that accentuates the culture clash between the president’s rhetoric on changing the ways of Washington and the Senate leader’s needs to exercise the old-fashioned tools of Congress to pass laws.”
ABC’s Jake Tapper, on “Good Morning America” Thursday: “He wants them all out, for a clean up-or-down vote. … The White House says they’re going to keep pushing that [March 18] deadline, because that’s the only way to get Congress to act.”
What might still hold things up: “House Democrats can’t be sure when they vote for the Senate bill that its problems will be fixed before the president signs health reform into law,” Karl Rove writes in his Wall Street Journal column. “House Democrats are being asked to cast a potential career-ending vote based on their faith that the Senate, with Mr. Obama’s blessing, will undo all the disastrous elements of this bill. A year ago that trust might have existed. Today, after all the ugliness this process has created and all the intra-party acrimony it has caused, that trust appears to have disappeared.”
“Further complicating the hunt for votes, congressional rules will probably force the president to sign the Senate bill into law before House and Senate lawmakers can vote on the package of changes, another unsavory prospect for House Democrats worried about being on record backing the Senate legislation,” the Los Angeles Times’ Noam N. Levey reports.
What the White House hopes gets things moving again: “Among the rewards Obama is ready to offer [to House Democrats], White House officials said, are election-year visits to competitive congressional districts, where a presidential appearance can bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds,” The Washington Post’s Scott Wilson reports.
White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer: “The president has breathed some new life into this effort.”
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel: “We will continue this momentum, as you’ve seen in the last few weeks. … And we must keep people focused on the price of failure.”
Prices of success? Not here: “I don’t think there are any districts in the country where the outcome of this great debate on health care reform is going to cost someone their seats,” Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said on ABC’s “Top Line” Wednesday.
Or you could put a price tag on this — new from the NRCC: “The national GOP is planning to expand its health care offensive with a new batch of targeted TV ads warning House Dems who voted for the health plan last time — and are mulling doing so again — that their career is on ‘life support,’ ” Greg Sargent reports at The Plum Line blog.
What’s making momentum hard to hold onto: “For Dems, the problem has become clear: They need legislation before they can sell it to their members. Every day that goes by without a bill gives the GOP more time to pressure wavering Dems,” Reid Wilson writes for Hotline on Call.
While we’re talking trust: “Senate Democratic leaders are concerned about the amount of mischief their own Members could create if or when a health care reconciliation bill comes up for debate,” Roll Call’s Emily Pierce and David M. Drucker report. “And sources said some supporters of creating a public insurance option are privately worried that they will be asked to vote against the idea during debate on the bill, which could occur before March 26.”
Help reconcile this: “All 41 Republican Senators vowed in a letter today to do everything in their power to kill Democrats’ health care legislation and vote en bloc against procedural motions Democrats want to use to fix the health reform bill passed Christmas Eve by the Senate,” ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf reports. “This would include a scenario where the Republican Senators oppose language championed by anti-abortion rights Democrats in the House and side instead with abortion rights defenders.”
Another complication … The student loan overhaul isn’t flying, not here, not now: “I think it threatens the health-care bill,” Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said. “It would threaten to sink them both.”
When is an up-or-down vote not really even a vote? “One method for accommodating the situation (first reported in CongressDaily) would allow the House to vote on the Bill B and, after doing so, simply consider the Senate health care bill (Bill A) as passed,” Slate’s John Dickerson writes. “There would be no actual up-or-down vote on the underlying bill. This would be the legislative equivalent of the economist’s old trick of assuming a can opener.”
Memories of Massa — and keeping the pressure on for more to get done. (Look for Republicans to push a resolution that would keep House investigations alive.)
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office was notified in October by then-Rep. Eric Massa’s top aide of concerns about the New York Democrat’s behavior, two congressional sources familiar with the matter said Wednesday night,” Carol D. Leonnig reports in The Washington Post. “The revelation about warnings to Pelosi’s office comes as the House ethics committee closed its short-lived investigation of allegations that Massa groped and sexually harassed several young, male staffers in his office, according to two sources familiar with the decision. … The decision set up a political battle with House Republicans, who are already targeting congressional Democrats with campaign ads saying they have failed to look deeply enough into the ethical transgressions of their party members.”
“A Pelosi aide told POLITICO on Wednesday evening that Massa’s chief of staff, Joe Racalto, informed a member of Pelosi’s ‘member services’ operation in October that Massa was living with several aides, had hired too many staff members and used foul language around his staff,” Jonathan Allen and John Bresnahan report. “Racalto also raised concerns about “the way Massa ran his office” and informed Pelosi’s member-services staffer that he had asked Massa to move out of the group house on Capitol Hill, the Pelosi aide said.”
Next move belongs to Republicans: “House Republicans are considering whether to ask Thursday for the Ethics Committee to investigate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer for their handling of information about misbehavior by former Rep. Eric Massa, who resigned Monday for sexually harassing male staffers,” Jon Ward and Mike Riggs report in The Daily Caller.
Swamp stuff: “Small defense companies, energy firms, and other technology start-ups throughout New England could lose tens of millions of dollars a year because of a decision by House Democrats yesterday to abruptly halt budget earmarks for companies,” Matt Viser reports in The Boston Globe. “The decision follows a House ethics probe into an alleged pay-to-play system in which investigators followed a trail of campaign contributions and linked them to earmarks — a provision added to a bill that directs money to a specific project, in this case, a private company. Although the House Ethics Committee cleared members of specific wrongdoing, House leaders remained sensitive to the appearance of a rampant quid-pro-quo system that has stoked outrage around the country.”
Of scandals (not) past: “Previously undisclosed e-mail messages turned over to the F.B.I. and Senate ethics investigators provide new evidence about Senator John Ensign’s efforts to steer lobbying work to the embittered husband of his former mistress and could deepen his legal and political troubles,” Eric Lichtblau and Eric Lipton report in The New York Times.
“Mr. Ensign, Republican of Nevada, suggested that a Las Vegas development firm hire the husband, Douglas Hampton, after it had sought the senator’s help on several energy projects in 2008, according to e-mail messages and interviews with company executives. The messages are the first written records from Mr. Ensign documenting his efforts to find clients for Mr. Hampton, a top aide and close friend, after the senator had an affair with his wife, Cynthia Hampton.”
In New York — looking for real: “Encouraged by state and national Republican Party leaders, Dan Senor, an author, private equity executive and Defense Department adviser in the last Bush administration, is seriously considering a political challenge against Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, according to three people told of the discussions,” The New York Times’ Michael Barbaro reports. “In recent weeks, as Democratic political prospects have soured, a number of big-name Republicans — including Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former mayor and presidential candidate — have urged Mr. Senor to consider running.”
Time’s Karen Tumulty checks in on the Pennsylvania Senate race. Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., says Republicans’ “sole calculation is defeating Obama in 2012.” Says Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa., of Specter: “He’s a flight risk after May 18th.”
Sarah who? “Mitt Romney’s new book, ‘No Apology: The Case for American Greatness,’ will debut on top of the New York Times bestseller list due out March 21, a source tells me,” Politico’s Ben Smith reports.
Making the vice president’s trip interesting: “Vice President Joe Biden once again condemned Israel’s plans for new settlements in the occupied territory of East Jerusalem and said that the move threatens to damage the fragile trust between the two sides at this critical juncture,” ABC’s Karen Travers and Simon McGregor-Wood report.
Biden, in Ramallah: “The decision by the Israeli government to advance planning for new housing units in east Jerusalem undermined that very trust, the trust that we need right now in order to begin as well as produce — have profitable negotiations.”
Biden, speaking at Tel Aviv University Thursday: “Ladies and gentlemen, the status quo is not sustainable.”
Fired up: Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., in the Afghanistan resolution debate. “If anyone wants to know where the cynicism is, there’s two press people in this gallery,” Kennedy said on the House floor, per ABC’s Jonathan Karl. (With maybe a dozen House members milling around at the time.)
Keep America Safe, keeping up the fight: “The American people have a right to know who in the Department of Justice is setting policy regarding detention of terrorists and related national security issues,” Aaron Harison, executive director of Keep America Safe, told ABC’s Devin Dwyer. “Lawyers in private practice have the right to volunteer ‘pro bono’ to defend terrorists. However, membership in the legal profession does not immunize a person from questions or criticism of their prior actions.”
Turning the tables, on Citizens United, as two branches of government clash: “The central ruling of Citizens United v. FEC allows corporations to engage in independent advocacy during elections. This applies equally to labor unions,” Steven J. Law of the US Chamber of Commerce writes in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “And unlike corporations, unions are far better positioned to take advantage of the ruling because they have virtually no other restraints on their capacity to engage in political action.”
The Kicker:
“Next Congress, we’re going to take a look at it.” — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., on filibuster reform — next year.
“We don’t ever have to pay attention to this man ever again.” — Glenn Beck, on Eric Massa.
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This administration has squandered a historic opportunity to fix this health care/cost problem by practicing the same old Washington politics and back door deals. They’ve created the atmosphere of mistrust…
Posted by: LongT | March 11, 2010, 8:32 am 8:32 am
“Trust Time.” Huh? Nancy Pelosi said it the other day “Let’s get this legislation past and then we’ll see what’s in it.” WASHINGTON DOES NOT KNOW ??? How can I trust them?
Posted by: mbeliv | March 11, 2010, 8:49 am 8:49 am
the house doesn’t trust the senate, the congress doesn’t trust the white house, the white house doesn’t trust the congress, or the supreme court, or industry, or doctors, or hospitals, or insurance companies, or anyone who dares question their leadership, the republicans don’t trust the democrats or their own party members, and the american people in large part don’t trust any of them…for good reason. there is no reason to believe anything any of them say…and obama’s the biggest liar of them all.
Posted by: davidfrat21 | March 11, 2010, 8:59 am 8:59 am
O.M.G. Potus is going to come to embattled states to help you get re-elected ! Goodbye ! It has worked so well recently. We will vote ANYONE out of office if you voted for this bill.
Posted by: scoty | March 11, 2010, 9:01 am 9:01 am
If this President is tired of talking about it He should shut up his LYING Mouth,and get LOST.
Posted by: Joeray | March 11, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am
You can’t trust these bums. I don’t want
them taking over a large percentage of
this economy. They have screwed up enough
already.
Posted by: wis134 | March 11, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
This whole health care bill smells like b.o. We were promised change in the way Washington operates, but right now, all I’m seeing is the same, same, same. Since the president is the one who promised change, I would expect his actions to show that change first. But all I have seen is the same old bullying, name calling, and broken promises that have characterized politics for centuries. For once I would like to see a bill that could be voted on where the president didn’t have to bribe congressmen, broker deals behind closed doors and count votes to see if they can pass it. Good job mister president, you have given us four quarters for a dollar!
Posted by: wayne ruff | March 11, 2010, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Obama says it’s time to vote! Well, then you won’t pass it. Give Nancy and Harry sometime to “negotiate” some “agreements” with some of the Dems. Trust, a word often used in politics, but it means nothing. How are we supposed to trust this so called leadership?
Posted by: lfrichar | March 11, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Why does everyone seem to ignore the fact that insurance rates cannot come down until such time as the delivery systems are brought under control. It is the cost of the delivery of health care that is driving insurance – the cost of drugs ($100 retail; $10 with insurance); the cost of hospital care (140 for a single tylenol); and the cost of medical devices. Posters complain about the measly 4% profit that insurance companies make, but what about the obscene profits that awarded to the drug companies? What about the defensive medicine that is practiced because malpractice insurance costs our doctors between 150 and 300k annually? Bring those costs down and insurance costs will lower without a total rework of 16% of our economy!!!
Posted by: tired of it all | March 11, 2010, 9:33 am 9:33 am
The House would have to be the dumbest people on earth to trust the senate and WH to put in changes on this bill. If they do vote for it than I guess they really are the dumbest people on earth.
Posted by: Billy Bob | March 11, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Billy Bob: yes, we know you really care about the good of House DEMs.
Posted by: New Wave | March 11, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
The rest of yall can, but I don’t trust anything that was put together with Progressive Congressmen, Insurance Execs and Union Leaders. Sorry…that’s like letting Al Capone write the Gambling and Alcohol regulations.
Posted by: Mac | March 11, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
All of a sudden P. Obama has become the nations expert on health care. Obama has all the cures and answers. Do you trust these liars with 4 or 5 years of tax collections just sitting around waiting to be spent on a health care program that will most likley bankrupt us the rest of the way? A trillion dollars just sitting in the bank and these politicians promise to not touch it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA look at social security. Its broke because they continue to steal from it and not pay back the IOUs to it. Then they have the nerve to blame us for it.
Posted by: Jim Rod | March 11, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Yesterday Democratic leader Durbin said
that premium prices for healthcare will
not go down, just not rise as fast.
Anyone going to put this out there on
the mainstream press ??? Anyone have
the guts to ask old Gibby today at
his daily spin conference??? Ask Pelosi
or Obama the same question. Treat him
like you treated Bush and you may have
some credibility again. Just ridiculous!
Posted by: wis134 | March 11, 2010, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Today’s wingnut talking point (floated by Mith McConnell yesterday): “House DEMs should not trust the Senate DEMs.”
We did not know that Mitch McConnell and other GOP big wigs cared so much about the well being of House DEMs.
Posted by: New Wave | March 11, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Truth is it has language in it that give unions and other special interest groups special treatment. On that alone it should be defeated. Truth is the people do not want this bill. They want health care reform but not this union payback bill. Truth is that is why it’s so important to the President. He owes the unions. and thats the truth.
Posted by: hkdakota | March 11, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
I trust anything Pelosi says. Things like “We need to pass this so we can see what is in it”
Posted by: Mac | March 11, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Amatuer hour at the WH. Trust? Give me a break. dumBO has pledged 336 billion to the health care insurance industry, bribed unions, made special deals with states, held photo ops in Vegas for votes while giving away more tax money. I trust you all right dumBO. I trust you will continue being the largest crook this nation has ever seen. you make Bernie Maddof proud. Idiot
Posted by: Todd | March 11, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am
We did not know that Mitch McConnell and other GOP big wigs cared so much about the well being of House DEMs.—posted by New Wave
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So how many times are you going to post the same sarcastic thought? The first time was a nice come-back; after that you appear to be posting your own ‘talking point’.
Surely you can come up with something else.
Posted by: malcat | March 11, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
malcat: Calling out wingnuts who seem to use the word ‘trust’ today a million times. 2 days back, the same group’s favorite word/name was ‘Massa’. How did that go?
Posted by: New Wave | March 11, 2010, 10:51 am 10:51 am
The president is not being honest about the cost of the program. They have cooked the books to make it appear revenue neutral. How can you trust someone who won’t be honest with you? He has hurt his own credibility.
Posted by: Jeff | March 11, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am
New Wave, I think Massa needs to be ashamed of himself for his disgusting behavior…bad enough on its own…more so when the other parties work for him. Not only did he engage in sexual harrassment; if he forced his staff to engage in such behavior by threats to their employment, it is also workplace intimidation. I find that behaviour repugnant!
But if what he says is true about himself being threatened by any member of Congress or the White House staff, then that is repulsive as well. Doesn’t decrease his own guilt, but it’s not uncommon that even sleezebags can be victims of crimes.
As for others posting about Massa, HE was one of the leading news issues. I would think it strange that a lot of people did not post comments about him and all issues related to him and his allegations.
Just like whenever something negative is revealed about Republicans, people who do not like the GOP post and post and post about that issue. Right?
Now one of the HOT issues of the day is the lack of trust in Washington DC. I would think it very strange if a lot of people didn’t post about that as well—from both parties.
Do you actually think only one or two Americans have serious concerns about trust in Washington right now?
Posted by: malcat | March 11, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am
The “PASS IT NOW, AND WE’LL FIX IT LATER” crowd/politicians sound a lot like the management team at Toyota in regards to the “speed-up, then try to slam on the brakes, then crash, burn and die” folks managing the PRIUS et al issues
Posted by: JMo | March 11, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Trust? Really?
Giving no credit to common sense?
Hopefully the Dems that are opposing this still puts country over party loyalty. Now that has become a rare commodity.
There is no realist reason the American people should trust the government to manage health care. It’s track record of managing anything is abysmal. And since when did anything the government do stay within the original budget that was touted?
The health care strategy being pushed is a con job bigger than anything previously imagined or undertaken.
Posted by: TX-MBell | March 11, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
It is NOT the health insurance companies that are causing the increased costs of health care.
My example? I am going in for my 3rd MRI in 9 months in two weeks. New twist, the hospital where I have it done NOW requires that all individuals having an MRI “with contrast” must first have a blood test to ensure that there will be no kidney problems due to the dye.
They weren’t concerned about this in Sept or Dec, but now are? This is solely due to “defensive medicine” and guess what, my health insurance carrier will have to pay for it – and thus have to increase premiums!
I liken this phobia about health ins to auto ins. More accidents and more claims in society equals higher premiums! Why doesn’t Obama focus on this issue? It’s because we, as a society, understand the “cause and effect” involved here.
Posted by: Chet21 | March 11, 2010, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Don’t think it will fly.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 11, 2010, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Why do so many people complain vociferously about the meager 3+% profit of the insurance companies and say almost nothing about 20% profit of the drug companies? Mind you, I AM NOT COMPLAINING because I want new and better drugs. I’d just like to see the FDA do a better evaluation of new drugs before releasing them to the general public.
Posted by: deanbob | March 11, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
So basically…. the Dems in congress are hesitant about what Pelosi and Obama are telling them… because the congressmen don’t know if they can TRUST them to make the changes they say they will!!! — How far has the Democrat Party fallen??? — HOLD YOUR GROUND congressmen, because the rest of us have already known for a long time that you cannot trust them!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | March 11, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
To start we must realize that to insist on the requirement that every American MUST have health insurance is unconstitutional. If the healthcare reform bill in its present state is passed, you can bet the farm opponents will go after this with abandon. And the Supreme court will shoot the requirement down. This one provision is what proponents of the bill are counting on to keep down additional costs to the American people. Without this provision two other provisions become disastrous. The provision that requires insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing medical problems (eg. End stage renal disorders) will cause those companies to raise their premiums on all their present clients. Likewise, the provision requiring insurance companies to eliminate the ’doughnut hole’ will bring about an additional, and substantial, increase in premiums. If the insurance companies can’t add those being forced to have medical insurance to cover their additional costs than existing clients must cover these costs with additional premium cost. We could see existing premiums double or more in the near future. Who says this bill won’t effect existing policy holders?
Posted by: Bill Hammersley | March 11, 2010, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
New Wave — I’d say McConnell was giving pretty good advice!! — Don’t you think?
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | March 11, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Obama still has “bribe” money to buy votes. The Dems are meeting “behind closed doors today”. Obama spent his time as a Junior Senator running for President. If he couldn’t do his Senate job, how can he do this one? Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Dean and other liberals based the entire 2008 campaign on lies. Our “Campaigner-In-Chief” is campaigning, trying to get approval for Obamacare. PELOSI WILL TELL US WHAT’S IN THE BILL “AFTER” IT IS APPROVED! This is the most corrupt Adm in American History.
Posted by: CAMPAIGNER-IN-CHIEF? | March 11, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
There was talk about prosecuting the Bush administration for crimes while in office. And some should be filed.
The charges for treason against this congress, administration, and justice department should begin now. Treason against what? Assaults against the US constitution, dictatorial executive orders, and violations of States Rights. Not to mention violations against individual liberties guaranteed by the constitution.
If they can’t be voted out of office soon enough they should be stripped of their legal right to be there, ASAP.
Posted by: TX-MBell | March 11, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Why is this called socialism when Palin used it in Canda it wasn’t? This isn’t about what is good for the nation only what is good for a party.
Posted by: ksilvers | March 11, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
GALLUP 46 % FOR BO. gallup has 45 disapproval for BO This is the beginning of the end for this mess.
Posted by: jjj | March 11, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Now the hispanic caucas is complaining about the healthcare bill. let’s see now, the hispanics, prolifers,goverment optioners, extreme left, all of the right, republicans, 50 democrats, almost all independents don’t want the bill. Who’s left? The left/center democrats. and BO was going to bring everybody together.
Posted by: jjj | March 11, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm