Whip Count (No. 16 in a Series) – Five More House Democrats Could Shift From ‘Yea’ to ‘Nay’ Unless Significant Changes to Senate Health Care Bill

I wish our politicians would just respect the freedom of our nations citizens so that, frankly, we could forget about politics and go about our lives making the world a better place. But alas, eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

Adding student loans to the health care bill. Surely the MSM has informed everyone.
If the MSM had done their job Obama would not be in the White House.
If the MSM would do their job he will be gone in 2012.

If Obama fails, it will be so satisfying.

If Obama fails, it will be so satisfying.
Posted by: tanarg | Mar 12, 2010 12:03:20 AM
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For you perhaps – but not for the people who have been kicked off their insurance plan, or have no coverage and are facing major medical issues in their family stemming from accident or illness, or people who have been denied coverage, or people whose premium costs are going through the roof.

explain ‘government-run healthcare’ and how that relates to the HCR bill
Posted by: PO’d | Mar 12, 2010 1:17:30 AM
Get real! Next I suppose your going to claim there’s no government takeover of one-sixth of the economy either, and go into some song and dance like that librul Paul Krugman who had the nerve to write at the NYT:
“if having the government regulate and subsidize health insurance is a “takeover,” that takeover happened long ago. Medicare, Medicaid, and other government programs already pay for almost half of American health care, while private insurance pays for barely more than a third (the rest is mostly out-of-pocket expenses). And the great bulk of that private insurance is provided via employee plans, which are both subsidized with tax exemptions and tightly regulated.
The only part of health care in which there isn’t already a lot of federal intervention is the market in which individuals who can’t get employment-based coverage buy their own insurance. And that market, in case you hadn’t noticed, is a disaster …”
He’s right, but he’s a librul! Libruls aren’t real!

I’m ready to make my whip count grid for the office pool.

I’m ready to make my whip count grid for the office pool.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow
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Just remember, “the White House and Democratic leaders will need to put in some work to keep them in the yes column.”
What will the DEALS look like and how much will they cost?

Is this all about Obama’s ego? I think it is.
By the way, regarding deals, the deals that are being handed out will indirectly make all involved multi-millionaires for life. Keeping a seat in Congress will be child’s play compared to what these folks will make as lobbyists.
And they get to keep a $100,000 pension for life in addition! What a country!

Here’s some input that may help–
I’m ready to make my whip count grid for the office pool.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow
Kevin Drum: “So unions are spending heavily in support of the bill, MoveOn’s members support it 83%-17%, Nancy Pelosi is putting the screws on her caucus members, Harry Reid is doing the same in the Senate, and President Obama is finally pulling out all the stops too — both in front of the cameras and behind the scenes. Among the netroots, Markos Moulitsas says it’s time to stop screwing around and pass the bill, and virtually every liberal member of the wonkosphere favors it as well. Ditto for church groups and civil rights groups. That’s an enormous amount of firepower, and that’s why, despite all the last-minute posturing and kvetching and preening, I think this bill is going to pass. In the end, that’s just too much pressure to bear. Nancy Pelosi is going to get her 218 votes.
But it’ll be close! If you haven’t called your member of Congress, do it today.

I suppose your going to claim there’s no government takeover of one-sixth of the economy Posted by: adversus solem ne loquitor |
you didn’t answer the question, what part of the HCR bill is a ‘government takeover’.. don’t give me ‘regulation’..lots of things are regulated without being termed ‘takeover’…

no one can save enough money to pay for their lifetime care..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow
this is a good point, ..
and one must remember that the folks who are writing legislation are already covered with great healthcare plans,, if they had to buy on their own or deal with reality as it is, HCR would have passed with a public option long ago

you didn’t answer the question, what part of the HCR bill is a ‘government takeover’.. don’t give me ‘regulation’..lots of things are regulated without being termed ‘takeover’…
Posted by: PO’d | Mar 12, 2010 12:59:49 PM
Of course I didn’t answer the question!! For crying out loud, you’re well aware that there’s no “government takeover”!!! There’s not even a public option!! But there is fear!!! Fear worth squeezing like a orange to get every last drop of juice!! And if we repeat the same words over and over, they stick. That’s what solution-oriented bleeding heart Democrats misunderestimate!!!
Next, I suppose you’re going to tell me that health care reform is about people, or that small businesses have been between a rock and a hard place for a long time or that the status quo is unsustainable — WE KNOW THAT, buddy. The thing is if Republicans cared about health care reform, we would have ensured something was done during the miserable 00′s. We care more about war, mister. Fighting. And driving the economy off the cliff via tax cuts. Everybody knows that!!! That’s not new!!!
Answering questions, indeed. Boy, are you naive. Wake up with the sleeping giant, man.

Many of us said this long ago.. before that first drop dead date (last fall).. Mr POTUS is going to sign something and it will say HCR on the cover page.. he’s made it clear.. pass something or he won’t shut up.. I don’t like him, but I like a leader who knows what he wants and is willing to go to any length to get it.. but seriously, this isn’t anything like he wanted to pass.. it’s just fluffy white paper..

The health care bill is unconstitutional. The constitution gives the federal government very limited power. It surely does not give it the power to force American citizens to buy any product including health insurance. Neither does it give American citizens a “right” to health care. The people backing this bill are the same people that want tax payers to pay for the schools to prepare and feed their children breakfast because they are too cheap and too lazy to do it themselves. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid want to produce a socialist welfare state because then the government can control everyone and everything. The TEA Party is about individual freedom, which is what this country was founded on, under God. Every freedom loving American should get out and work for the TEA Party movement to stop the socialist direction of this country. Also to stop the rampant immigration that is adding more pro Democrat pro welfare people every day. Soon they will out vote the real Americans in this country. We do not need any more muslims or illegals in this country. If the 8,300,000 working illegals were arrested and sent home there would be 8,300,000 open jobs for Americans working in concrete, roofing, drywall, carpentry, brick mason, painting, and many other crafts. They are stealing our jobs. Sending them back would help lower health care costs too, because we wouldn’t have to pay for the medical expenses of 15 to 20 million illegal aliens. It would reduce the crowding in our schools and reduce the crime rate on our streets.

I don’t have to worry about mine. But don’t worry, I’ve weighed in with plenty of YOURS! And will continue.
Posted by: smartlillena | Mar 13, 2010 8:25:35 AM
No worries. It goes both ways. LOL. Particularly during the horrid 00′s when the republicans were heck bent on destroying the country. They still are, but they’re in the minority– and despite the current backlash and the temporary blip that always comes with that, they Republican platform and the Republican party is outdated and backwards and will continue to go that way, as other parties snap up followers who aren’t from a very limited mindset and subset of the populace.
In regards to the folks in the Dem congressional offices, from what I can tell, they’re used to the unreasonable conversations coming from the right. LOL. they’re kinda over it. How much uninformed b.s. can you take, after all? For those on the left, they welcome hearing from saner voices.

I’m always looking forward to the next compliment, too. ;-)
Posted by: smartlillena | Mar 14, 2010 9:02:41 AM
I actually have a compliment for a Republican today. I like this statement by Secretary of Transportation, Ray LaHood (see Beyond politics, Why Republicans should support health care reform, Chicago Tribune):
“I’ve been a Republican all my life… I have always been — and still am — a fiscal conservative, an advocate for a smart, but restrained, government.
For those reasons and others, most people wouldn’t expect me to be an advocate for comprehensive health care reform. But the truth is, I believe there is no bigger issue to solve and no better chance to solve it than now.
If I were still a member of Congress, I would proudly vote for the bill that President Barack Obama is championing and I would urge my colleagues to do the same, not because I don’t believe in fiscal discipline, but because I do.
We do not need to look that far down the road to see the pain that failure to pass health care reform will cause. Americans of every background, class, race and political persuasion are suffering. We have the best health care system in the world, yet more than 40 million Americans lack access to it, a reality that is morally reprehensible. Health care is an essential, as important as food, water and shelter. Those who don’t have it are left without the tools to survive.
In the coming days, Congress has a chance to change that. The bill that will be voted on will reduce the deficit by about $1 trillion over the next two decades, and will reduce waste, fraud and abuse in the health care system. It will slow the rate of growth in health care costs and put America back on the path toward fiscal sustainability….”
Read the whole thing!