Whip Count (No. 5 in a Series) – The Conundrum of the Antiabortion Democrats
EmailOn MSNBC’s “Hardball” today, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., was asked if – as Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va. , indicated in a memo – there are roughly a dozen Members of Congress who voted for the Democrats’ health care reform bill with the more restrictive antiabortion language written by Stupak, who have told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., they there are unlikely to vote for the Senate bill with somewhat less restrictive language written by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb.
The members of Congress Cantor cited are GOP Rep. Anh “Joseph” Cao, R-Louisiana, who has already indicated he will vote against the Senate bill, and Democratic Reps. Jerry Costello of Illinois, Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania, Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Steve Driehaus of Ohio, Brad Ellsworth of Indiana, Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, Dale Kildee of Michigan, Dan Lipinski of Illinois, Jim Oberstar of Minnesota, Charlie Wilson of Ohio and Stupak himself.
Stupak said he hadn’t seen the list (and he was by remote so he couldn’t see what host Chris Matthews was referring to) “but it’s accurate to say there are at least 12 of us who voted for health care who have indicated to the leadership and others that unless you fix this abortion language we can’t vote for a final bill.”
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DEFINITION OF “NUCLEAR OPTION?” THIS COMING NOVEMBER. BYE. BYE LIBS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS THE PATH OF THE SLEEPING GIANT.
Posted by: Tom Barnow | March 3, 2010, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
WHO IS THE PATH OF THE SLEEPING GIANT.
Posted by: Tom Barnow | Mar 3, 2010 6:31:06 PM
Is the giant asleep or has the sleeping giant awakened and roared?
And have you all seen the RNC memo about playing up the fear of their ego-driven donors, and mocking them?
Posted by: There is no Planet B | March 3, 2010, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
I’m guessing Matheson is suddenly leaning heavily towards “Yes”. Obama just appointed Matheson’s brother to the US Court of Appeals Tenth Circuit.
Posted by: Woody | March 3, 2010, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
woody i heard about the same thing from one of my employees. i heard some other bribes were to be happening tonight. they must really believe we are stupid
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2010, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
“SLEEPING GIANT” VA, MA. NJ. NY TX. LOTS OF OTHERS TO FOLLOW. DUH!!
Posted by: Tom Barnow | March 3, 2010, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
more backroom deals to come.will the pass illegal allien reform through reconciliation?
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2010, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
NEWS FLASH TO LIBS – IT IS NOT THE REPUBLICANS THAT YOU NEED TO FEAR. YOU PICK!!!
Posted by: Tom Barnow | March 3, 2010, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Sounds like the party of no, to me.
Posted by: smartlillena | March 3, 2010, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Abortion should be a states right issue.
Posted by: Huh | March 3, 2010, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Obama names brother of undecided House Dem to Appeals Court…
‘Whatever it takes to get healthcare done,’ said Press Secretary Robert Gibbs…
More bribery and corruption from the snakeoil salesman……
OBAMA VS AMERICA
Posted by: another crisis-another photo op | March 3, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Obama names brother of undecided House Dem to Appeals Court…
‘Whatever it takes to get healthcare done,’ said Press Secretary Robert Gibbs…
Posted by: GS Rulz | March 3, 2010, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
They’re known as “Pro-Life” Democrats.
Posted by: Michele | March 4, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am
And have you all seen the RNC memo about playing up the fear of their ego-driven donors, and mocking them?
Posted by: There is no Planet B | Mar 3, 2010 7:19:21 PM
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I’ve seen that Republican memo – same tactic as always – a smear and fear campaign. Demonize the Democrats, scare people.
And the dull go along with it.
Posted by: tierra | March 4, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
No one has to demonize the democrats. They’re doing a good job of that all on their own.
Posted by: wow | March 4, 2010, 1:11 am 1:11 am
Reconciliation is nothing but a power grab. The agenda of the liberals is to create a society of permanent dependecy and make the electorate forever beg for help. (communisim comes to mind).
This is bad for the society and bad for USA.
It might take decades to fix this mess that these Democrats are creating.
Only God can save us for this disaster. I pray for salvation every night.
Posted by: calif guy | March 4, 2010, 1:21 am 1:21 am
The agenda of the liberals is to create a society of permanent dependecy and make the electorate forever beg for help. (communisim comes to mind).
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Nonsense! Every other modern democracy has universal health care coverage – often done through single payer – ie. the government collects taxes and makes sure everyone has health care coverage.
They are not communist countries, they have free enterprise systems, they are modern countries.
Don’t let your paranoia get the better of you – despite the smear and fear propaganda campaign from the Repubican right. We saw what a great job they did under Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and those other liars.
Posted by: tierra | March 4, 2010, 2:38 am 2:38 am
What’s in a name.. a politician by any other name would smell the same.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | March 4, 2010, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Iran has chosen the ‘nuclear option’.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | March 4, 2010, 8:33 am 8:33 am
I’m guessing Matheson is suddenly leaning heavily towards “Yes”. Obama just appointed Matheson’s brother to the US Court of Appeals Tenth Circuit.
tierra, comments please?
Posted by: Woody | March 4, 2010, 8:52 am 8:52 am
And the dull go along with it.
Posted by: tierra | Mar 4, 2010 12:20:50 AM
The sad thing is that they let that fear– which is trumped up to exploit them– really guide them, never waking up to the fact that they don’t have to live that way, or be one of those spreading the fear in utter panic.
I’m glad my kids are brave and have big wide open courage coupled with compassion.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | March 4, 2010, 9:36 am 9:36 am
This is about We The People and OUR Rights .
Plain and Simple.
Take OUR Rights Away and You Will PAY at the POLLS.
Put Vernacular in the Bill to allow repeal. (Unconstitutional!!!).
When you Force Anyone to do Anything it is Tyranny, Plain and Simple.
Like Purchase Insurance Period. That is against Freedom of Choice.
That is in the Bill of Rights. Try Article One!!!
This entire process has been back room deals and Chicago Shenanigans.
Thuggery here is very apparent and now the Thugs are loosing their power.
The Sleeping Masses have awoken.
We THE PEOPLE Know what YOU Have Done.
Madam Speaker, your Constituents May protect YOU at the Polls. However, They can not and will not protect your Minions.
When you lock out Honest Open Debate, you Locked out the Peoples recourse.
When you failed to heed the Polls or the Peoples Will from the Town Hall Meetings you locked out the other avenues of People Communicating.
You the House and Senate and President have brought this Crisis on Yourselves.
You should have read your History. You are Repeating it Right Now!!!
Posted by: Concerned Libertarian | March 4, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Take OUR Rights Away and You Will PAY at the POLLS.
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Or give us the right afforded prisoners, and we’ll reward you at the polls.
Let’s pass health care reform.
Every other advanced, civilized first world nation has managed to do this without it adversely affecting their liberties or economy– and they now offer better value, more care at better rates with more doctors per capita.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | March 4, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
I’m glad my kids are brave and have big wide open courage coupled with compassion.
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Every kid should support a woman’s right to pay a doctor to dismember her unborn child. It’s brave, courageous and, doggone it, just chockfull of compassion!!
Posted by: Osteoblast | March 4, 2010, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Let’s pass health care reform.
Posted by: There is no Planet B
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WHEW, you, tierra, prog mama, 4civility, sometimes4civility have to be getting nervous. Other than the GOP/right, who are you guys gonna blame this failure on?
Posted by: smartlillena | March 5, 2010, 7:09 am 7:09 am
You know if this bill doesn’t fund abortion like it’s advocates (Pelosi and the White House both with very pro abortion views) say then why not just adopt the Stupak ammendment?? Are you worried about using up more paper on a 2700 page bill because it’ll be repeating itself or are you lying and it really does fund abortion? Which is it?
Posted by: GO | March 5, 2010, 9:20 am 9:20 am