Whip Count (No. 9 in a Series) — Two No’s Still NOT Switching

There will be not be any reconciliation because once the house votes to pass the senate bill it will be signed into law – why can the house members not see this.
POTUS will say that there is too great an urgent need for reform and forgo any reconciliation process

–Does anyone know if Adler or Altmire have any siblings with a law degree that could be nominated to any judgeships? Just wondering.–
They’re that cheap? Tell Goldman Sachs. Another amazing investment to be made!

There is only one story today… game change.

Trying to imagine the volume of noise that would erupt from Washington if United Healthcare cut their benefits in half and provided 6 years of coverage for 10 years of premiums.
We should all be proud that the American people have seen the HC bills that are on the table for what they are and have rejected them.

The party of No??
Rep John Adler, D-N.J. and Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Penn.
If this bill doesn’t go through people will ask exactly WHAT has Obama accomplished besides the beer summit?
Like Clinton, he will be more productive with a Republican congress.

@dwd123, it will not be dead in a few weeks! House Democrats who voted against the bill at the first go around realize that their president is hanging by a thread. He’s done nothing, and if this bill passes, he’s toast. They must vote “for” it this time, to save his incompetent rear end!

Under normal circumstances, the Dems in the House would be more scared of the party running a primary against them than their constituents. Now, it’s everyone for themselves. But, Pelosi has alot of power to make peoples’ lives miserable or set them up in a cushy job after they lose in November.
One thing is clear. The Democrats that oppose the Senate Bill don’t trust that a reconciliation bill will be pushed through the Senate once Obama, Pelosi, & Reid have a bill that’s been signed into law. That alone speaks volumes. If the Democrats in Congress don’t trust eachother or the Democratic President — should anybody?!

Any representative who can’t answer Paul Ryan’s several concrete objections to the bill has an obligation to vote “no”.
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Any representative who can’t answer Paul Ryan’s objections needs to check Paul Ryan’s record, and read up. They can start with Ezra Klein’s blog about those objections and interview with him last week at WaPo called “Paul Ryan and the true cost of health-care reform” AND “The true cost of the health-care bill, cont’d: An interview with Rep. Paul Ryan”
See also For Many House Democrats, Cost Is the Concern, By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN, NYT– and remember Paul Ryan’s voting record on the Medicare fix, and that he’s been in Congress since 1998 (meaning for eight years while the Republicans held the majority. IF there was widespread Republican support for his ideas, some of them would have been implemented and John Boehner wouldn’t have put forth the ridiculous House plan that he did.)

Hopefully, these two Congressmen have led squeaky clean personal lives. If not, they’ll be told (by Rahm?) that they either vote yes, or the public will soon here about their sexcapades or other failings, and if they don’t believe it, they should ask Rep. Massa.

Hey, let’s just get Rahm “The F-Bomb” Emanuel and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer to set up a few more of these Democrats who voted NO on ObamaCare–and force them out of the House on false charges. It worked against Congressman Massa from NY.
Hey, effective Community Organizing means breaking a few eggs. Whaddaya gonna do?

got that all you Democrats in congress? If your a “no”, you will keep your job in november. The rest of you will not. We will also find a way to sue yout a$$ for voting yes.
If a womamn can sue Mickey D’s for burning herself with hot coffee and win big money, a waywill be found against you.

I fear for the future.
They will Rahm it through.
This may be the tipping point to wake up the remaining sleeping citizens.
The 3%ers will come out, and the revolution will start.
Only a fool would see as legitimate the take over of our economy with a parliamentary trick that is not even defined in the Constitution.
This will go down as the biggest miscalculation in American History after Japans on Dec 7th. Unfortunately bloodshed will result as it did then.
But I truly believe that is the end game for the progressives. Statists have always sought violent revolutions so they can actively purge without repercussion.

Luis — funny how Massa , a NO on HC, disappears from the scene. How many more to go?
Chicago politics at its best. Hope, change ,,, ummm corruption?

Candidate Obama-Titusville, FL
“Under my watch, NASA will inspire the world, make America stronger, and help grow the economy here in Florida.”
President Obama
23,000 jobs zapped — victims of a NO vote on HC
Hope and Change

From an accounting point of view, this ObamaCare is going to send the U.S. into bankroptcy. We are already on that road and this just turns the road into a giant hill. There will be no stopping the decline of this nation. Think about it folks, what happens in your finances when you borrow more than you make? And your monthly payments exceed your income by a substantial margin? There’s no way for you to get out of debt, so you declare Chapter 11. Think about what will happen if the country does this. Chaos of a magnitude never before seen by mankind.

Now as for the healthcare bill, you have to love the Chicago gangland style of politics that are being used to force this bill down the American people’s throats. Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) said, “And this administration and this House leadership have said, quote-unquote, they will stop at nothing to pass this health care bill. And now they’ve gotten rid of me, and it will pass. You connect the dots.”
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I read a blog called BooMan Tribune, and found the post called “On Eric Massa” interesting.
When it comes to the health care bill, I’m pretty disgusted by a wide range of pols, but President Obama isn’t one of them. I find Jonathan Chait’s article at TNR interesting. Its called Health Care Reform and our Myopic Polity.
I agree with this:
“The Obama administration and its allies in Congress are on the cusp of bringing some measure of reason to the health care system — a system so profligate, irrational and cruel that nearly any reform born of deliberate intent could not help but improve it significantly. It’s a reform designed in the mold of classic moderate Republicanism, melding fiscal responsibility and compassion for the poor and sick with a series of bold experiments to nudge medicine toward efficiency. But across the political spectrum, myopia is the order of the day.” (Chait, TNR)
And this:
“The right, meanwhile, has whipped itself into a spiraling rage of ideological fanaticism and grotesque partisanship. Republicans have convinced their base that a close replica of the 1993 Senate Republican health care plan and Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reform is socialism and the end of freedom in America, and as the base spins further out of control, it drags the party still further into scorched-Earth opposition. Thus the Republicans who saw the need for reform were whipsawed one by one by the base and the party leadership into abandoning all negotiations.”

“The alternative would’ve been McCain, Palin and the bunch of Republican goofballs in Congress. Yikes.”
Well, if the Democrats ram this healthcare bill through using reconciliation you very well could get two of the three above–Palin and the Republicans!

What they could have done was to hire the unemployed to conduct the 2010 census–killing two birds with one stone.
Posted by: James Danley | Mar 8, 2010 1:54:08 PM
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Do you mean they hired employed people to to the census?

Tierra, maybe I should have been more specific. Instead of having organizations hiring just anyone to conduct the 2010 census, individuals who are receiving unemployment benefits should have been offered the jobs first.

Imagine you were asked,”If you were President how would you define the 3 most pressing issues that face our nation, and what solutions would you implement?” What would you say? Well, someone asked me a similar question, and it got me to thinking. I would likely not pick some of the biggest issues that are being discussed around the water cooler. I have others in mind that I think take precedence and if solved would go a long way toward solving many of the “hot button” issues pasted all over the headlines today.
1 – Education (American History): We are in danger as never before, but the enemy is not a foreign land bent on our destruction. The enemy we face is ignorance; ignorance of our basic American heritage and history. We no longer have a national identity. We have forgotten where we came from and what we’ve come through. We celebrate our failures in society (just watch the evening news) and minimize our victories as though it is somehow taboo to say, “Hey. We did good there.” We are bombarded daily with assaults on our integrity as a people and a country (from within), and the average American is ill equipped to respond intelligently to those assaults because of our ineffective teaching institutions that are more concerned with lawsuits because someone wanted to say a prayer at a ball game than they are teaching our history.
The answer, I believe, is to require a comprehensive American History curriculum from K-12 that would require the student to show an understanding of our history and heritage from our founding until the present day before they were allowed to graduate. Furthermore, the student should be required to read as much of the writings of the Founding Fathers as is possible starting once they are in Junior High until graduation. They would be required to participate in active debate within the framework of past and current issues and present thoughtful, well reasoned solutions to the issues of the day.
To achieve this, public education should be phased out. It has failed our students and continues to be another albatross around the government’s neck. The education system was started in this country by the churches. I think it’s time we take our children and our heritage back.
2 – The National Debt: It’s time to retire the debt…PERMANENTLY. If the average American family has to live on a balanced budget, then so should the government which represents us. We should be ashamed as the wealthiest nation on earth to be as foolish about money as we have been. It is impossible to maintain the level of spending we have committed to and not go bankrupt. We are loosing our position as the financially stable ideal and becoming a laughing stock world wide. It’s time to stop the madness.
The answer, I believe, is to stop all further government spending until a balanced budget is adopted. Furthermore, there should be a Constitutional amendment enacted which would require that all further borrowing of money cease and that all debt be paid down to zero dollars over the next 30 years. There is no greater threat to our national security than unsecured debt.
3 – Career Politics: It is not the role of our government to dictate every facet of our lives. It is our government’s role to protect and defend. Our government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people. It is instead of the rich well connected politician, by the rich well connected politician, and for the rich well connected politician. It’s time to end career politics. It’s time for our government to again represent Joe the Plumber and Mary and the Homemaker. Our government should BE Joe and Mary.
The answer, I believe, is to institute term limits on the House and Senate and allow no more than two consecutive terms in any branch of government. If term limits were a good idea for the Office of President, it is most certainly a good idea for the other branches as well. Want to end politics as usual? Change the players…frequently.
That’s my opinion.

James, I believe if we lived within our means and put money away in a surplus fund for a rainy day events like Katrina would “financially speaking” be a non-issue. There should always be a Rainy Day/Emergency Fund to account for the unexpected, but as long as we have immature children in charge of the bank account it will never happen. Jr. has the credit card and daddy has to pay the bill. Problem is daddy is broke from too much debt. As I said we need to change players frequently. Can anyone say TERM LIMITS!

the people of America know very well Health care bill is fine for us not