Army Disinvites Franklin Graham from National Day of Prayer Event

Gen. Patton would give an officer like Col. Tom Collins a slap across his face for his wimpy attitude towards our nation’s enemy. Patton demanded resolve as the surest way to victory.

The article states that Franklin Graham is the son of the late evangelist, Billy Graham. Billy Graham is still alive!

@ Derek – “Our nation’s enemy”?
Fundamentalist rapture-ready believers in the Apocalypse. Just the people we need to froth and rant about “violent religion” during a National Day of Prayer.

Derek, Gail, and Nat:I’d like to thank you all for showing us what it is like in Sarah Palin’s “Christian” America.

Maybe the L A Times can release their video, said to be hidden in a safe, of Obama and one of his advisers Rashad Khalidi at a party allegedly celebrating Palestinian terrorists. Hmmmm why would a News organization withhold potentially explosive video of a candidate and now a President? Maybe the video would help explain the Graham disinvite.

So anti-semites and homophones are allowed a place at federal events, yet critics of Islam — a mere ideology — are not?
So much for Obama’s rhetoric on “differences of opinion.”

Be sure to let Billy Graham know he’s dead. For some reason, he seems to think he’s still alive . . . .

“the son of the late evangelist Billy Grahamm”
Fact check. Spell check. Is this a major network blog or not?

Graham was right, and no matter how the liberals and some republicans and the politically correct crowds along with Obama say, islam will still be a violent religion..it always has been from its founder…they convert you by sword…it is an evil religion….This is a slap to in the face of the victims of 9/11..

Patton would not have to slap Collins in the face, I am sure there at least a a few of us who are up for that. What a coward you are Collins- take off that uniform and put on a dress!

Which history? Actual history or your rewritten version?
Posted by: For the Record | Apr 22, 2010 9:02:06 PM
You’re right, I forgot Christians have NEVER waged anything violent…. always the peacemakers and they’re so Biblically consistent… Love your neighbor dude.

You’re right, I forgot Christians have NEVER waged anything violent…. always the peacemakers and they’re so Biblically consistent… Love your neighbor dude.
Posted by: Thom | Apr 22, 2010 9:20:52 PM
Sarcasm doesn’t prove anything. Look at the list you posted. Other than the Inquisition, tell me about how each one was carried out in the name of Christ – or whatever you are trying to insinuate.

I agree with the Army officials did. This country is for every one; Christians, Muslims, Jews and others. If you’d like to speak about violence, you better read your history that I am sure you either forgot it, or try to ignore it. I know it looks ugly, but it is the ugly face of the truth.

Pauldia: Really? Videos “said to be” hidden, “allegedly” showing, “potentially” explosive? Why wouldn’t a real organization in the real world release such figmnetary tapes? ‘Perhaps’ because they don’t exist? Or do you have proof beyond your right-wing, tin-hat conspiracy theories?
@justthefacts………..Talk about an oxymoron for avatar. The L A times admitted they have the tape i their ossession and if you do a little research it was fairly widely reported on. The attendees are mostly known and the Palestinian skit honoring terrorists has also been reported on. Now do some research and try eating some fish as some thing it is brain food!

They hated the fact America was free so the attacked us, and we when we decided to fight back we were attacked by countries that were suppose to be are allies.
A tsunami hits and we sent help, but others claimed it was not enough we needed to send more.
A hurricane hits our shores, and few sent help. Instead Americans join together and help.
Our citizens are taken hostage and brutally killed and their murders display it on the intern.
We speak out for the children, the elderly, and those in need and we are told we are not doing enough.
Our medical staff volunteers to help in areas where there is a need and again we are told we are not doing enough.
Maybe Americans should just “SAY NO” the next time some one ask for help or there is a problem and see who actually does something.

“So, TODAY, looking forward, you support the way ISLAM treats women over the way Franklin Graham’s religion that he practices treats women?”
I actually support treating women as equals.
Something that Graham’s church does not.

“when a radical islamic website can shut down free speech in America..we are all in for a rough ride… and ABC remains SILENT”
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ABC is still awaiting directions from Anita Dunn on how best to report this. The GREAT PROTECTORS of free speech (FOR EVERYONE?) are sitting here picking the fleas that came off the dogs they have chosen to lay with.

No, Pauldia (9:49:49 PM), as I said, you need to adjust your tinfoil hat. What the LA Times ‘admitted’ to is that they have a tape of Obama at a a party to bid farewell to Rashid Khalidi, an internationally known scholar, who was leaving town for a job in New York. It is YOU who claim that it is in a safe, YOU who alleges that this was a celebration of Palestinian terrorists, and YOU who call it potentially explosive, with no basis for any of your charges. Believe it or not, the world does NOT have to respond to every whack job with a conspiracy theory.

tierra wrote:”Good thing those Christians were’nt violent when they swept across the continent during the Crusades. Just good, gentle people of god out to worship in their own way.”
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How many Muslems are free today in Iraq and Afghanistan from the evil dictator Hussein and the Taliban. Freed by the brave and selfless soldiers of the CHRISTIAN nation the United States of America (no need to apologize).

Finally, there is only one religious faith: American patriotism.”

Well now this is interesting. The Muslims are upset about Franklin Graham’s response. I am confused, what did Mohammed do so special other than create another verison of the Bible, the Koran. One part of Franklin Graham’s remarks are correct, Jesus Christ died for all of us — I am confused what did Mohammed do for all of us; ah yes, the wars between the Muslims, Jews and Christians. This has been ongoing. The continuing fight over the Holy Land. The early Christians were violent, but then can we say about our bretherns, the Muslims. They forgot about the churches and synogues they destroyed. But Islam is just a peaceful loving religion. Mohammed did much but one thing, he did not do was die for our sins, only Jesus Christ did and for all of the people. None of us are free from guilt. We are all guilty, this is not what Jesus Christ wanted; all of the religions created their own verisons, but yet only One Man did the most, He died for mankind, and that can never change. Franklin Graham was denied the right to speak and yet we have the audacity in this country to say this is a free country, and we are so afraid of our peaceful bretherns the Muslims. What a bunch of hypocrites. We are letting Muslims dictate our policies and our rights. Well! Mohammed did a lot for us.

Sir Mikey is trying to usurp Mohammad as god’s new prophet. Don’t bow to Mecca – bow to the American flag.

Ryan C wrote: “We’re not a Christian nation. The concept of natural rights which is the foundation of this country is not based on Christianity.”
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Government school educated I see. It also shows in your economic knowledge.

Government school educated I see. It also shows in your economic knowledge.”
A mix actually.
Did your mom teach you at home that we’re a Christian nation?
I guess you must not be aware of the Treaty of Tripoli which states specifically that we are not a Christian nation.
Can you explain what Judeo Christian values are represented in a democratic republic?
Could you explain why our Constitution instead of codifying the 10 commandments actually includes many rights that are contradictory to those Christian laws.
And finally how do you explain capitalism and how this country has embraced it and how that does not jibe with don’t covet thy neighbors goods. Keeping up the the Jones is how this country has attained its wealth.

The clearly radical, very outspoken Muslim extremist, Nidal Hasan, gets tolerated, coddled, promoted, and protected by the POLITICALLY CORRECT Army until he unleashes his own “tolerance” at Ft Hood.
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Franklin Graham voices his OPINION, all WITHOUT killing anyone, and gets the boot from the POLITICALLY CORRECT Army.
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Thats a pretty clear message from the oBama administration.

Ryan C wrote: “Did your mom teach you at home that we’re a Christian nation?”
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Actually I read about the founding fathers. Pretty smart guys if you ask me….. were they Muslem or something?

“Franklin Graham voices his OPINION, all WITHOUT killing anyone, and gets the boot from the POLITICALLY CORRECT Army.”
Graham is free to voice his bigotry.
He should not expect to be rewarded for it.
Though it seems right wingers are eager to celebrate his bigotry.

“That we live by our principles even if it entails accepting a relatively small amount of risk?”
Nicely done.

Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 22, 2010 9:37:15 PM
As I recall, Christianity played a positive role in slavery as well as negative role. I just don’t see it playing the same role as conversion by the sword that Islam played throughout history.
I didn’t realize that Manifest Destiny was driven by religion. I thought it was democracy and ideology. I don’t know about converting school children. Some native Americans did convert on their own through evangelism.
I think your evidence is pretty weak. Plus the list we started with was quite extensive:
African Slavery – Christians
Hiroshima, Nagasaki – Christians
Native Americans – Christians
Inquisition – Christians
WWI, WWII – Christians
Invasion of Iraq – Christians
It all just seems like quite the exaggeration to me.
re: Beck – didn’t know you watched, but I’m not surprised. You are a lurker after all.
I just finished a historical fiction tome called Russka. Very interesting how the “social justice” theme played out in Russian history. The peasants really got the shaft on that one.

“As I recall, Christianity played a positive role in slavery as well as negative role”
Which is why I mentioned that.
“I didn’t realize that Manifest Destiny was driven by religion. I thought it was democracy and ideology.”
Manifest Destiny was the belief that God had entitled us to expansion by virtue of our nation and race.
And it was popular among the Democratic Party of the day.
“I don’t know about converting school children. Some native Americans did convert on their own through evangelism.”
Read up on Native American Schools.
“re: Beck – didn’t know you watched, but I’m not surprised. You are a lurker after all.”
When someone attacks social justice in churches, it tends to go beyond their show.

“I just finished a historical fiction tome called Russka. Very interesting how the “social justice” theme played out in Russian history. The peasants really got the shaft on that one.”
Examples of social justice in this country would include the Abolitionists and the Civil Right movement.
I may check out that book however as I enjoy historical fiction.

I may check out that book however as I enjoy historical fiction.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 22, 2010 11:22:19 PM
Edward Rutherford. He likes to pick a geographical spot and write about it over the course of thousands of years. So far I’ve read Russka and Londan.

“all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator”
The DoI does acknowledge the existence of a Creator. Not Christianity but the Creator of men. That’s an important part of the statement you left out, Ryan.”
Exactly.
Natural rights are not derived via Christianity.
Locke is a good read for natural rights.

Thanks Franklin for speaking truthfully. People who teach others to believe a god can only accept them if they kill others or die as some martyr or oppress others are pointing to a pretty small god. If he’s really a God he’s not in need of anything from us especially such vulgar things. Keep on praying, many more people will be joining in the day of prayer after this without needing the army or some committee to approve their desire for troops of all faiths safety and a quick resolution to their duties.

IF only we have a Man of Faith Like Franklin Graham for President. This is a sad day for America that he cannot speak at the National Day of Prayer. His son has served four tours of duty.

“I would be suspicious of a religion that begins to grow in a country like Britain and then pushes to govern through Sharia law rather than the law that already exists. And basically tries to bully the government into accepting that position.
Do you think that is acceptable, Ryan?”
No.
And I don’t think its acceptable in this country when Christians (certainly not all of them but some) demand prayer in school, have bible study as a class, seek to push creationism in the field of science, the prevention of equal rights for gay people etc etc.

However we are not a Christian nation.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 22, 2010 11:48:46 PM
I agree. It bothered me that you left out the Creator part. IMO, in America, anyway, one must believe that their Creator is capable of and has the means and power to create and endow for the Declaration to have any individual and collective validity.

Actually, I think this is a good thing. I think the Church and the church should reject any association with the government, including their tax-free status.
Association with the government means control by the government.
Already we see the Air Force, because of its support for Christianity and Judaism, now being forced to erect holy sites for Wicca at the Air Force Academy. Soon they will have to build mosques on bases worldwide. After that they will have to erect shrines to Satanism. The only place the military should offer any religious service is at forward operating locations in places where civilian services are not available.
I also think the ability of men of the cloth to offer state recognized matrimony should be rejected by the religions themselves. Otherwise in the near future they will be forced by the state to offer same-sex marriage.
In short, IMO, there should be no mixing of State and Religion. It is corrupting to both.

“In short, IMO, there should be no mixing of State and Religion. It is corrupting to both.”
Time to head for the fallout shelter…we agree on something.

P.S. It is not the first time we have agreed. Many months ago, you agreed that Mr. Obama should do a “document-dump” and release his “long-form” birth certificate…

Already we see the Air Force, because of its support for Christianity and Judaism, now being forced to erect holy sites for Wicca at the Air Force Academy. Soon they will have to build mosques on bases worldwide. After that they will have to erect shrines to Satanism.
Posted by: Quo Warranto | Apr 23, 2010 12:08:08 AM
Don’t forget the “Giant Spagetti Monster” shrine!

You could also argue that the founders had to use the word Creator to separate what they considered natural rights versus the King’s God Given right to rule which the Declaration is a rejection of.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 23, 2010 12:12:45 AM
Excellent point. I had forgotten that. Never too old to learn but sometimes to old to remember!

In every case, the “Rights of Man” are the same…
The rights of man (and women) are greatly in peril. Inform yourselves, resist… turn the bastards out…
The best government is the best government… Freedom, Freedom, Freedom…

It’s no smarter to call Muslims ‘evil’ than it is to call Jews ‘evil’. I wouldn’t hire Graham to do anything. Posted by: tierra | Apr 23, 2010 1:39:22 AM
Not even “In extremis”?
Posted by: Quo Warranto | Apr 23, 2010 2:13:08 AM
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It’s no smarter to call Muslims ‘evil’ than it is to call Jews ‘evil’.
I wouldn’t hire Graham to do anything.

Wouldn’t say that Muslim is good once you live in their country and see how they slaughter people

I remember here in australia when all schools were christian schools. our faith says I am the way the truth and the life . no one comes unto the father but by me.It warns of wolves in sheeps clothing and says you will know them by their fruits.I am glad Franklin Graham spoke up.True faith is the only hope to redeem America now.

“It’s no smarter to call Muslims ‘evil’ than to call Jews ‘evil’.” – tierra
That’s right, it’s the same smartness.
You could call Christians evil too.
I don’t think it’s very hard to find times when religions have done evil things.
It’s just right now that there are a bunch of evil Muslims running around.
What matters is the Truth™.
If the Muslim religion has drifted towards extremism and evilness then call it what it is.
For me, I don’t see followers of other religions blowing themselves up in crowded markets.
It also bothers me that they don’t do anything to clean up their own house.
I don’t see appreciation for what the USA has been doing for them.
Let me remind everyone that the USA and England stopped the slaughter of the Muslims in Bosnia by the end of 1995. Soon after that Muslim cells were set up in the USA to learn how to fly planes into buildings.
Now that’s gratitude for ya.

“What matters is the Truth™.
If the Muslim religion has drifted towards extremism and evilness then call it what it is”
Except the truth seems to be that the Muslim religion hasn’t drifted towards evil, only the extremists have. There are over a billion Muslims on Earth and Al-Qaeda is going broke. If all those Muslims contributed as much money to extremists as we here in the US spend on chewing gum Al-Qaeda would have plenty of funds. Let’s not emulate the ways of Al-Qaeda here ourselves by allowing those with a selfish agenda to attempt to alienate an entire religion.

I find the following statement from the Council of Islamic American Relations so hypercritical. To say “Promoting one’s own religious beliefs is something to be defended and encouraged, but other faiths should not be attacked or misrepresented in the process.” is opposite of what they practice. Muslims are attacking the way of life of the Western World by either terrorism or by osmosing themselves into their societies. The way they treat their own people and especially women is not compatible with American society. National Prayer Day is about praying for our troops and for our government. Your prayer can be to whatever God you believe in.

“The crusades happened after 300 yrs of rape murder and looting by muslims”
Spare us the adulterated history lesson. Before the crusades Muslims, Jews and Christians had been living in Palestine in relative peace for centuries.
“There is no moderate islam. There is only islam and it is always at war with non muslims”
I’m sure there are Muslims who can make the same claim about Christians. The moderates from both religions will emerge victorious by quelling the extremists on both sides.

“This Army honors all faiths and tries to inculcate our soldiers and work force with an appreciation of all faiths and his past comments just were not appropriate for this venue. ” – Tom Collins
Wow! It is sure going to be difficult to find a nondenominational Jewish/Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Buddist spiritual leader to speak at the prayer day.
Maybe they could ask the Rev Wright if he promises to tone it down a few notches. Then you’d only be taking the chance of offending Christians.

Noz, the speaker doesn’t have to be non-denominational, he just has to respect other religions, none of that,
‘MY religion is the only true one’ b.s.

The Army has its own muslim problem it’s going to have to face, as we unfortunately and sadly saw at Ft. Hood last fall. That was a prime example of how “political correctness” ultimately proves to be a poor choice. Hopefully determined people in Congress can get to the bottom of all that in spite of the administration’s obfuscation.

Bin Laden’s main point, said the Taliban official, who has seen one of the notes, is that he is “satisfied with the effort and progress of the resistance against Jews and Christians.” The holy war against infidels, bin Laden added, is not his personal fight but that of all Muslims. Taken from the news on 1-28-08
In the interview, Yazid, also known as Sheikh Saeed, called for the destruction of Pakistan’s government which he said had “betrayed” the jihadis. Yazid swore that al-Qaida would recapture Afghanistan. And he reiterated al-Qaida’s position that “all Americans, not just the American government” are the enemies of Islam.
The enemy is pretty clear about who they are fighting. Does the army not know who their enemy is?
To the Army
Only the God of Heaven could save you from Islam. But you have refused to stand up for your GOD. We have turned our backs on our God. We can tolerate anything, except his Word, his condemnation of our evil acts. In a time of tolerance, I would ask you to remember a God, who is not tolerant. But a God that says, Repent.
To Franklin Graham
Blessed art thou when men shall revile you and say all manner of evil against you for my sake. Great is your reward.

bababooey!

“Unless that other religion has followers who fly jetliners into buildings and blow themselves up in crowded market places and yet does nothing to root out the extremists.”~ Vanessa Wagner
But if that religion has followers who kill doctors, bomb clinics, and molest children, but does nothing to root out the extemists, it must be respected?

The tragedy is that Mr. Graham was invited in the first place. As a Christian, I do not feel the need to denigrate other religions in order to claim the truth of my own. Mr. Graham believes that he must speak out against what he sees as the danger of other religions, which is his prerogative. But such talk has no place in a multi-faith setting, much less in a program sponsored by the U.S. Government.
His comments about Islam are not new, they should have, and probably were, known to those who extended the invitation. They just did not expect to be called to account for it. I for one am glad that they were.

My greatest respect to Franklin Graham and to his father Billy Graham. I grew up listening to Billy Graham on the radio and then the TV. My prayers are with you. A great injustice has been done. If a muslin had been invited to pray he would have been accepted. Our country is in great trouble. Look who took down the towers, damaged the Pentagon, and caused the last plane to crash. Now one of theirs in in the white house.

This story makes me so sad. I so value our freedom of speech and freedom of religion, it it sure seems like we’re losing that day by day. And this story is especially ironic in light of the shootings at Fort Hood in Nov. Franklin Graham is a courageous man speaks out against an ideology (and the oppression of women), but he loves the people. His organization cares for the basic needs of people all over the world regardless of their religion.

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