Clinton: Rush Limbaugh Comment “Doesn’t Make Any Sense”

I think Bubba needs to learn to shut his yap. Who can believe anything that comes out of it?

To lie is one thing. That has been over for quite a while. However, to spew hate and intolerance like Mr. Limbaugh does. has for such a long time. Makes me wonder who is the real bad person. I think Mr. Clinton is right when he says we can have a lot of disagreement. It is when we demonize people that others will react very badly.

Many Tea Party comments are typical of those who are uniformed and get all of their opinions from Limbaugh and Beck. This is the kind of person that could easily say : ” Keep the Government out of my Medicare” . It is a person who is unaware that healthcare reform is essential for a healthy economy. That the biggest losses to the economy have been due to a Republican failure to regulate banking along with Bush’s enormous tax cuts to the very rich who hide their money off shore and do nothing for the working family. These people who fear “Big Government” have no concept of what socialism really is. Unless someone is among the very wealthy it is impossible to comprehend these comments. It is the classic case of working people not knowing who is helping them and who is robbing them blind. To call a middle-of-the-roader like Obama a socialist is simply proof that many Republicans have been brainwashed by Right Wing Radio. It is the unbridled hatred and sheer ignorance of the Tea Party that makes them dangerous and worth watching. They are very similar to the ultra-right that arose in Europe in the thirties that led to fascist party dominance in Germany, Italy and Spain. These people would be hilarious if they weren’t so scary,
These are sad times indeed.

That’s rich – Tea party, Sarah Palin base bubbas calling Bill Clinton a “bubba!” I guess it’s really true that it takes one to know one. Sarah Palin bubbas aren’t fit enough to kiss Bill Clinton’s behind. Telling a Rhodes Scholar like Bill Clinton to shut up while letting a retard (and not in a good way)Sarah Plain to run her yapper, yeah, that makes sense. This is why the neo-cons need to leave the country and go live with the rest of the neanthrathals in the world. The Dark Ages are calling you.

Shouldn’t the big blowhard be packing for Costa Rica like he promised?

fran: can you give me the source where Obama supporters called the Clintons “ignorant, racist, rednecks”? I would be kind of surprised if you could actually find a reputable source on that. BTW, Republican talk radio is not a reputable source.

Rush still must be doing too many drugs but then again he never really made any sense.
I suprised he never when to prison for all the drugs he had!

When Bush was in the White House we didn’t hear Clinton Saying anything about the terrible rhetoric that people said against him. At that time, I remarked to my husband that the demcrats would be sorry since this opened the way for people to say terrible things about all presidents.

Hey aforefreedom 5:41:56
I bet you can’t explain for me intelligently why you think that Rush Limbaugh is right this time, or anytime for that matter. Yeah, I thought

Hey aforefreedom 5:41:56
I bet you can’t explain for me intelligently why you think that Rush Limbaugh is right this time, or anytime for that matter. Yeah, I thought not!

When will the “Big Fat Idiot” go the Costa Rica as promised and leave us alone.
Didn’t that jerk promise to jetison his American citizenship and go to Costa Rica if health care passed?
One big fat fool.
If these Repubican drones act on his words and harm anyone, I bet like Robespierre his turn will surely come one day at the guillotine that he is now busy fashioning for the Obama Admin.
At times I wonder if these guys who listen to this devil have any brains.

All this “demonizing”, well let’s deal with some facts/ Why did you turn down the opportunity to kill Bin Lade as documented by various CIA sources? Why did you turn down the offer to have Bin Laden turned over to you? What 911 documents was Sandy Berger stealing from the National Archives, and subsequently destroying, and on whose request? These are not questions of hate, Mr President, are they?

These constant personal attacks are harmful, and Rush’s response to what Clinton said was like the response of a child in the playground. I am an independant, but it seems to me that there is one party that is doing most of it. They know who they are. And yet they say they are patriots! “Don’t regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with…” Gerard K. O’Neill

Pres. Clinton lied to me once. He apologized. For many years, “Porky” Limbaugh has repeatedly lied to me. No apologies or admission of human error will be forthcoming.

The link on the ABC News home page “Bill Clinton slaps back at Rush Limbaugh” suggests that Clinton is the violent one.

When Bush’s face was painted with cross hairs across his face and people in his adminstration were threatened with prison
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Scooter Libby (Cheney’s Chief of Staff) was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for criminal acts he committed in the White House.

I’m sick of all of them…Rush and all of the politicians (those in office of some kind and those who aren’t anymore). None of them seem to have the best interst of anyone at heart. It’s all about radio ratings, and personal gain. It amazes me that people still listen even after all the back-biting we hear daily. To heck with them.

Oklahoma City is a red herring.
No one that I know is demonizing the government. The decisions being made there are flat out of touch with the American people. The action being promoted by the TEA Party is a referendum via elections.
The equivocation to Oklahoma City does more to radicalize and make vicious the fringe left.
The diversion to it is irresponsible and calculated to demonize those promoting government answerable to the American people.

Bill Clinton was president of the United States for eight years, and a successful one. Rush Limbaugh is a disc jockey. Game, set, match.

Re: Lino
The Unabomber was certainly NOT a leftist. Obviously you did not read his manifesto!

Bush, (if he were a man) would have deported Clinton for treason when he bombed the Balkans and at the behest of lobbyists set the Puerto Rican terrorists free.
that’s all you need to know about Billy Blythe.

“I worry about these threats against the president and the Congress. And I worry about more careless language even against — some of which we’ve seen against the Republican governor in New Jersey, Governor Christie.”
Bad faith attempt here by Clinton to feign balance. Fact is, his dissent-perception is at best political and at worst Manichean — from the right equals evil; from the left equals righteous.

What an Old fool. The stud muffin has become a Brain muffin.

abc sucks

Freedom club posted;
Re: Lino
The Unabomber was certainly NOT a leftist. Obviously you did not read his manifesto!
Uhh..sorry, he WAS a leftist, even the liberal University of Michigan which he attended had to reluctantly admit to it. Conservatives stand for LIMITED government, leftist anarchists stand for NO government.

Every single poltical talking head from Rush Limbaugh to Keith Olbermann wouldn’t have a job if they didn’t bring in ratings. Since they all play by the, “I’ll see that outrage and raise you an outrage” game plan, they have to inflame and insult to get and keep ratings. If they didn’t their listeners would get bored and move on.
Sane people listen to these guys for high-voltage entertainment. Crazy people think this stuff is real. NONE OF IT IS REAL.

Amazing how those who make a habit of demonizing others, recall AlGore’s despicable comments about George Bush, Pelosi’s calling citizens “nazis” and Graysons’s republicans want people to die, and it goes on and on until someone hurts their fellings and then all of a sudden they want a more civil discourse.
To me it’s easy, whatever you give expect at least the same in return.

I am always really interested in hearing what a serial liar and a serial sex offender has to say. A man of this caliber need not be heeded or believed. Limbaugh can say whatever he wants; he has never been convicted of slander. He has also never lost a law license for perjury and has never been accused of rape. Clinton is guilty of demonizing the American people, as is the fraud Obama. Clinton should have been impeached and Obama surely will be. Meanwhile, the American people have freedom of speech and are supposed to have freedom from harrassment by government. This includes Conservatives.

jenks318,
You mean like ‘critisizing’ Bush for something like ‘lying’ to the American people about WMD and sending our brave men and women into Iraq at a cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars so that now the situation is more unstable than when Saddam Hussein was in power! Or when he suspended habeus corpus and permitted the ineffective torture of US detainees in the so called ‘war on terror’. There’s a world of difference between criticism and demonization where the intent of demonization is to malign and inflict injury.

I have a real hard time placing any belief in someone that spouts off for personal gain. For all the folks that believe Rush – that is what he is paid to do. Be passionate about something and get others to be the same. Most of the time it is for things that he himself knows will never change but if he does not make you angry you won’t listen. His advertising spots will dry up and he will not be making near what he does. Moderation does not sell and that is unfortunate.

What is needed is a return to how radio and TV started – the Fairness Doctrine said, simply, equal time for opposing viewpoints.
Mr Limbaugh would have to give equal time to another view at the time his is given, then we would be discussing the two points ( or more ) and be more informed as a country.
Instead, we have one side here, another later, and most not heard at all.
If you’ve made it this far down the comments to hear one that asks that we hear more voices, not fewer, Congratulations. You are still thinking.

Limbaugh is an idiot as are all conservatives. They think with their emotions rather than their intellect.

Yeah Copy, because some reporter in Iran hurling a shoe is the democrats fault. You forgot to mention the British movie.

I don’t remember Clinton speaking out about the reckless comments made about Bush, during his 8 years as President.
Don’t know what I’m talking about – Google: Cindy Sheenhan, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Wilson,etc, etc.

I remember April 19, 1995 as well as I remember yesterday. The blame was on Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier. It doesn’t fall on former President Clinton or anyone else. Evil is evil. We have to separate what happened at Waco, from what happened in Oklahoma City. McVeigh didn’t but we as rational thinking NORMAL people have to separate the two events.

Once again, Bill Clinton opens his mouth and ruins Hilary’s chances to become President. If she ran in 2012, she would easily beat that narcissistic, left-wing goofball Obama. But Bill clearly doesn’t want that to happen and will quietly sabotage her every chance he gets.

Limbaugh spends most of his time with his feet firmly entrenched in his mouth.

Tim writes:
“What is needed is a return to how radio and TV started – the Fairness Doctrine said, simply, equal time for opposing viewpoints.”
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The Fairness Doctrine is left wing code speak for “Nobody paid for advertising on Air America so now we have to make them give us equal time.” Wonder if the “fair minded” journalists at MSNBC would be willing to share the stage?
And the left demonizes Fox news…….the last time I watched FOX had the likes of Al Sharpton and many Clintonistas on to give opposing viewpoints. It is the left that seeks to limit speech…..not the right.

Sarah Palin is directly responsible for any political violence committed in the US. Limbaugh & Beck, both Cheneys, and the Teabloggerists shall responsibility, as well. there are NO true Republicans left in this country: the Constitution was desecrated by Bush and his cronies. thank God, our President is restoring it now. remember: the opposite of Progressive is REGRESSIVE.

Rush is a big mouth pig that hafh the time he don’t know what he is talking about

Juvenile finger pointing, all of you. Grow up.

FatBaldnSassy 6:52:03,
So let me ask you this. Do you think Timothy McViegh was a right-wing nut case, had leftist leanings or was an American patriot? And do you honestly think his behavior was not influenced and supported by the inflammatory rhetoric one often hears comming from the likes of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh?

We are very lucky to have people like Obama and Clinton right now. The fanaticism from the right does match the fanaticism from the left during the 1960′s. That didn’t work and neither should the lies and propaganda today. Obama is one of the best presidents we’ve had and if you can’t think of one good thing he’s done, then turn off your radio and TV and talk to that progressive or middle-of-the road neighbor of yours over a beer. If you think everything you are seeing is bad, that every scientist who has come to the conclusion that climate change has a man-made component is a wacko, or if you think that making sure people don’t go bankrupt for medical bills using private companies is socialism – then you need to take a breath and spend a few evenings talking to that progressive neighbor of yours. Let’s bring this all back together so the crazies can’t hide in the middle of what’s left of reasonable conservatives.

Tim McVeigh was p.o.ed about what happened at Waco and the Branch Davidians. That was during Bill’s watch and Bill tried to shift all blame off onto Janet El Renyo. So, for Clinton to also try and shift any blame onto talk radio just isn’t true. He handled Waco just like he did Somalia. Incompetent and unengaged both at the same time. If it either had been a huge success he would have been front and center taking the credit but since both were catastrophes, he laid all the blame on Reno and Aspen for their respective “missions”. Sounds like Barry.

Allie writes:
“It is UNBELIEVABLE to me that people accept what happens at these tea party lynch mobs.”
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Have you been to a Tea Party Allie? Have you seen one thing that even closely resembled a lynch mob?? No…..you spend all your time on the left wing blogs instead of trying to get the facts. You accept civil disbodenience when it suits your own agenda but then spread lies about a truly grass roots movement. Where you upset when Code Pink invades Crawford Texas or the Congress?? Why do you think Nancy Pelosi and the black Democratic Congressman marched right in the midst of the tea party protesters at the Capital……they were trying to get some “red meat” to through to their leftist base. One of the Congressman’s aides had two cell phone cameras actively video taping the protesters as they walked by…..wonder why we have not senn anything from that??? Or what about the SEIU thugs who viciously attacked the black tea party protester earlier?? What is UNBELIEVABLE is how so many take the lies and distortions as fact.

Yes of course Clinton meant to convey in his speech about this “vast echo chamber” that “we ought to have a lot of political dissent – a lot of political argument”. But the vast right wing consp … err, conservatives are just not smart enough to understand this. You see, when he said “we” ought to have political dissent – he meant leftists – not conservatives. It’s the kind of nuanced speech that conservatives just can’t quite grasp. Like when he was accused of lying about Monica for saying “I did not have sex with that woman” – he meant Hillary. Sure he said Monica – but don’t get caught up in details. As he later chastised his claim was “legally accurate”. To this day he has not used the words “I lied”.
The one good thing about Obama’s election was seen this buffoon getting hung with the same politically correct rope that he and his ilk wielded so recklessly against conservatives – to the point of actually felling compelled to proclaim to a reporter “I am not a racist”. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving fellow.

socialism – At the Louisville tea party thing a militia patroled to protect them. Gee, that reads normal. Oh, and the congressmen that marched thru? Maybe they needed to get to the chamber.

Rush might be right 99% but he’s not correct most of the time. He’s an arrogant old blow hard who has made lots of money on creating division. He has no solutions that include all Americans. He makes fun of everyone – that’s what makes you feel so superior. Geese – I thought you’d see through that. He is amazing that he can make you all think that you are smart when you call yourselves ditto heads. I mean, how bright is that? What noble value does he promote? Greed? Hatred? A sense that everyone on the other side is satanic? Is the end of all he promotes a happier, kinder world? Does it provide equality of opportunity? Seriously, I’d look in the mirror and have a serious conversation about where your life is going and what you bring to the planet.

And yet another one brings up the dang BRITISH movie and tries to attach it to democrats. You guys don’t know how to operate on any basis of reason or truth over there.

As usual, Rush was using absurdity to illustrate the absurdity of Clinton’s statements. And the left missed the point.

yes clinton, we know. we know. while you were getting off on interns the republican congress did the work for you. mcveigh was a nutcase. anyone who blows up buildings especially with citizens and moreso with little children in it is insane. yet i have to hear from clinton about the nutcases who threatened bush ALL THE TIME.

Yeah, Timothy McVeigh, what a horrible guy. Not nearly as level headed as former Obama advisor and personal friend, Bill Ayers. All Bill Ayers did was help to blow up the Pentagon.
Clearly, Tim McVeigh was a right wing nut job. Bill Ayers was very level headed and his friendship with Obama was not a radical one. They probably just got together and talked about their wives’ cooking ability and shared beers while watching ESPN together.

Liberals are the same everywhere. They are cowardly idiots who do more violence and hate mongering than any conservative ever has.
Liberals are responsible for more murders (100 million in the 20th century alone) than any conservative. Their veiws allow them to create the most heinous crimes known to man and say it is for our own good.
If you know a liberal watch your back, they have a knife pointed at it.

Listen to “reason”, now there is a conspirancy major…lol

I for one think Rush is one stupid person who is better at taking is little pills than thinking

“We shouldn’t demonize the government or its public employees or its elected officials.” Yeah, right. And I’m certain Bill Clinton also made this point the last six years of Bush’s presidency, when Democrate congressional leaders were calling Bush a Hitler and worse. The reason Clinton and liberals like him have zero credibility is because they’re such hypocrites. Hypocrisy is the hallmark of liberalism, because elitists always think they operate on a different plane, are truly special.

Limbaugh is misinformed, during the Clinton administration, the economy was thriving, I hear soup grapes from GOP or those who lost the election, were supposed to be “United” Not become hot headed sore losers, yelling, screaming, even a bit of racist due to having a black president, disagreement. Limbaugh, FOX News, tea parties or who even need to see both sides,issues then Vote at next election, easy isn’t it? Stop the violent talk, be more civil, united we stand, divided we fall.

Pardon me, I’m not making ‘crap’ up…and if Hilary did say that (which I never heard), that is a good thing and I applaud her (really). As I recall, the left seemed to think the movie was some sort of ‘artistic expression’…much like the Jesus in the jar of urine they were calling ‘art’. I have not problem complimenting the left when they do the right thing (which doesn’t seem to be ofter, lately).

For all the statements made by Libs and all the statements made by Conservatives and independents—It seems that Proof backs Conservative/Independents while Emotional Babble backs Libs…. I argue with people on the merit of Published/Documented/Video Information..etc and the Libs still hold on to their Emotional statements. You can show me where I am wrong and I will Capitulate—why don’t you do the same Libs?

I wonder if Clinton, Jake Trapper and all the other MSM talking heads were as upset about the possible violence that might be perpitrated against a president of the United States when the lefties were carrying signs such as “where is Lee Harvy Oswald when we need him” or when some scumbag makes a movie called “The assination of GWB”? Sorry if your indignation and worry about possible violence has a hollow ring to it. The MSM is not a journalisitic endevor, its an advocacy group and Mr Clinton’s concern is at best BS.

This administration created the Tea Party critics by not listening to the voters who put Barack in office. While is was elected to this office along with Pelosi and Reed, but when they pass bills with only 35-40% of the populus supporting the legislation this creates the anger from within. Tea Party members are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. A cross section of America. And when the media and liberals try to demonize them anger grows. Wake up Congress and the White House. You were elected to serve the people, not your personal egos.
The American people are angry that you are not listening. We want moderation, NOT Socialization of the country.

Let’s see… former president respected the world over and known for his intellect, vs. doughy chump who tells lies for a living. I think I’ll go with the intellectual.

Does anyone STUDY History anymore?? There have been very few U.S. presidents and elected officials whose politics have not been agreed with. Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, just to name a few. And in addition, there has been not only name calling and flying accusations in Congress, but actual violence as well. Have WE LEARNED NOTHING from HISTORY PEOPLE???? ALL these things will pass and life will go on. WE are responsible for OUR Actions and Responses. Popular Sovereignty means that the people have a voice in government and that is ONLY THROUGH VOTING, NOT VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE SOLVES NOTHING!! IT is just a cancer that spreads and eventually kills EVERYONE. Is ANYONE THINKING about the future of our CHILDREN???? The world is in bad enough shape as it is without making things worse. No wonder so many people, especially kids are killing themselves..
WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO???
WAKE UP AMERICA AND THE WORLD.

Clinton and Bush are both war criminals, but at least Bush is staying off TV (so far).

I don’t understand why so many people watch Fox News. Their ratings are HUGE. But it’s the same every day: “President Obama did something really stupid today that’s ultimately going to destroy America”.
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That seems to be the party line of the Republican right – it’s a non-stop smear campaign mixed in with fear mongering.
Everybody but the Republicans will destroy America hence the Republicans have the divine right to rule America.

why not quote limbaugh here?
ABC “news” is pravda

Unfortunately, Limbaugh and his ilk have a following of idiots who believe their hate mongering and lies. He is the one who is causing the seditionists, militia terrorists, and right-wing nuts to rant and rave about the government. We should ship the whole bunch to Zimbabwe and see how they would like living under Mugabe. Do they know who Mugabe is? Probably not so they should probably to shipped off to North Korea. I’m sure they have heard about that country.

ladybug77 which governmental takeover of the Obama administration is your favorite?

“Let’s see… former president respected the world over and known for his intellect, vs. doughy chump who tells lies for a living. I think I’ll go with the intellectual.
Posted by: ruffian | Apr 17, 2010 7:36:47 PM”
I think you happened to talk about the same person in your post. “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”…hmm, lie? Perhaps you were in elementary school when Clinton was president, but he could choke down some cheeseburgers and was a little pudgy.

tierra, don’t be shy. Rationally answer my question concerning the villification of Bush.

David Crosby do you believe in self-initiative, self-reliance, liberty, freedom of choice, low taxes and small government?

If you want to see hatred take a look back at what the lefties printed in the Berkeley Barb Newspaper and the Black Pather Newspaper in the late 60′s. There is nothing on the right that compares!

Are people on the left totally incapable of recognizing hypocrisy when they hear it?
I neither heard nor read any condemnation of the inflammatory signs and rhetoric from the left during the Bush years. Signs using plenty of Hitler/Nazi references, name-calling speeches, calls for Bush’s death/assassination…all went unremarked by both the left and the MSM.
Now that the right is protesting…peacefully…the left is crying foul, apparently blissfully unaware their blatant hypocrisy makes them look at least foolish, if not stupid.

Sounds like the liberals are coming out with reasons why to silence Rush, Glenn and FOX. They are real good at Chicago politics and Hugo Chavez tactics. They will not stop until Conservative talk is stopped by any means. Then they will lie about their tactics.

Fairness doctrine, hmmm…? I might even consider supporting it – if it also pertained to network and cable news. Yes Fox would be included, but also CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN,HLN,MSNBC and all the rest. While we’re at it let’s really give it some teeth, so we’ll just go ahead and include ALL newspapers and magazines. So the NY Times, WaPo, LA Times, Time, Newsweek would….GASP!!…Have to spend half their ink on conservative viewpoints. Oh, the horror of it all.NPR too.

Bill Clinton is right about words (and also actions) having consequences. It was his words and lack of action that was a direct cause of 9/11 and the death of 3000 people. But he is a good honest guy. He didn’t have sex with that woman.

Well nuttymadam, don’t give any credit for the deaths in waco to the Wacko running the compound raping children. Let’s not distribute any blame to the religious extremist hoarding automatic firearms and preaching end times.

Slick Willy says “We shouldn’t demonize”…are you freakin’ kidding me?!
We realize that everyone in the Democratic Party, and in the left in general, has paper-thin skin, but give it up. The left are the founders of demonization of anyone they disagree with- did someone say Alinksy?

It’s coming folk’s. You know it and we know it. All the psycho babble about moderation and compromise days are soon to be over. Let the cleansing begin, America will soon be reborn. Pax America

The only thing that gives me peace is knowing bill clinton will be held accountable infront of his maker.
If you think you can perform evil in your life and get away with it. You better think again.
Bill C will have a long time in purgatory.

Limbaugh is a pompous blow-hard, but it only takes Bill Clinton to make him credible. Sadly Scapegoating is all the Lunatic fringe of the once great Democratic Party has left. “Quick look at Clinton arguing with Limbaugh ,, then you won’t notice how big a mess we are making”

ALL the political violence is coming from the Left and the unions.. the SEIU in particular!!!!

The country is losing over 400,000 jobs a week, taxes are going up, the housing market is in the toilet, the Middle East is explosive right now verging on war thanks to Iran, and we’ve got a former President picking a fight with a political talk-show host that is making ABC’s headline news.
Wow, mainstream journalism at it’s finest! Now, I know why I don’t watch ABC, NBC, or CBS.

Yeah, a couple of union guys got out of line and that means it’s all coming off the left. Sureeeee. When you say this be sure to leave out all the stuff that’s come off your side lately.

Iran is in the process of making nukes and is going to be a HUGE threat(more than Saddam ever was) to the US being in Irag and for Israel, so president Da Opresso do we invade them too? We did not have many allies and the world turned against us for going into Irag for a reason.

Lets all watch and listen as Bill Clinton enters his doddering old fool phase.

Where was the caution when people were protesting Bush, hanging him and doing movies on him being killed? As Hillary said then protest is highest form of patriotism

Can we just try to solve problems now and quit the stupid, bickering between all these children..including the President? I am sick of it.

To Brian,
Yes Koresh should be remembered as the originator of the crisis in Waco. But, this does not excuse the killing of an innocent man while he ate breakfast, or the fact that Koresh could have been simply picked up on one of his trips into town without all the killings.
Clinton and his people will always be remembered for their flubs (or deceit) in the Waco tragedy.

CLINTON really understands violence against our own citizens as he allowed Reno to wipe out innocent people at WACO and the Weavers at Ruby Ridge. Clinton just wants to demonize the energized Tea Pary and it is not going to work, for most people no longer respect Bill Clinton. The Tea Party is a group of great patriotic Americans who cannot stand the Progressive takeover by taxation against the will of the people and the Tea Party is only going to grow and that makes the liberal progressives mad because they thought they had gained total control and they certainly have not and never will. The liberals will be defeated in November and according to N.J., Mass and Virginia, it is going to be a rout of the democrats.

I can’t believe you idiots keep bringing the BRITISH movie up. Pathetic. If you have to keep mentioning that you have nothing.

if clinton’s so smart, how come what limbaugh said doesn’t make sense? i perfectly understand what limbaugh was saying and i’m a poor law school student. i think the more likely conclusions is that it made perfect sense to him, but he doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to admit it.

I swear it sounds like Limbuagh is back on the happy pills. He’s such a clown.

Secondlook…WE KNOW THE MOVIE WAS BRITISH!!!!! Move on to another subject, or isn’t there anything you can speak of, factually? Man, I’ll say it again…LET IT GO!

Talk about your kool-aid drinkers. Any body listening to the blowhard Gusher Limburger is seriously getting drunk on that kool-aid. You’ve got to be seriously stupid to buy into his hate based speech.

If Clinton thinks the Tea Party is agitating for violence, then I guess we can fault critics of big business and the environmental movement for giving inspiring the acts of the Unabomber, Theodore John Kaczynski

Clinton is just another rancid mouthpiece for the left. Why lying scoundrels get so much air time is beyond me.
There is a battle on. Crushing central government illegally redistributing excessive taxes versus individual liberty, the Constitution, and the ability to direct our own earnings. Only ignorant buffoons support the former, while informed Americans go for the latter.
Our speech is only going to get nastier as Washington refuses to back off and keeps dissing ordinary Americans. These know-nothing leftists (see comments: kkk, lynch mobs, etc.) don’t even realize that a good number of the diverse Tea Partiers they disparage are ex-Democrats. They pound the nails into their own coffins every time they flap their lying lips.
Statism will not stand, and the 2010 November elections will be the first step in tearing down the twisted, radical, left-wing Democrat monster that threatens ALL of us. Moonbats like to think otherwise, but they are a small minority whose time is running out. I’m glad that my hand is joined with those that will flush the toilet in Washington this fall, and usher in the restoration of representative government.

Clinton, for a former prez, gobbles up alot of airtime. Bush has been dignified and silent at a time when he could very easily lash out at the regime that has taken over DC. Where WAS Bill when the media was calling George W a Hitler and evil and that he hated minorities? Too little too late.
Posted by: NY Voice | Apr 17, 2010 8:30:35 PM ———————————– Thats cuz Bush is too stupid to think for himself. The “decider” doesn’t have anyone giving him direction anymore. What a joke. I’m assuming some village has their idiot back now. LOL

Bill Clinton is now and always has been an
oxygen vampire…!!

Bill Clinton is slandering the Tea Party. The only acts of aggression, violence, racism, hatred, bigotry that I have experienced, as an immigrant to this country and a minority, has come from the left. For him to say Tea Partiers are all potential Tim McVays is beyond shameful. Then again, Mr.Clinton is not one to be known for class, morals, ethics, and decency.

The tea party shows up with no violence or arrest made and Clinton thinks we are possible terrorist? We need to get Bill a few more interns to occupy his time so he won’t have time to say anymore stupid things…..

The one fact he brought up was a Republican Governor with a death threat from the Democrats in the Teachers Union. Where o where are there any threats from a Conservative? Please name one. One person on here disagrees with Mr. Limbaugh and out comes the insults…”blowhard Gusher Limburger” Another clown “Why do Rightwingers defend these scumbag traitors?” Any knowledge of Attorney General Holder’s staff that went out of their way to actually defend terrorists in Gitmo? I understand a right to defense, but why were these folks then saught out by Holder for federal office? Why must Mr. Limbaugh shut up? He is only doing what Hillary shrieked out, protest is the highest form of patriotism. 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016…Progressives got to go. Founding Fathers Make A Comeback In A Big Way!

Chinese Bill sold us to them, desacrated the Oval office, killed innocent children in Waco, let roads and bridges go in disrepair, closed Army bases, was taxing us higher than Bush,all the while cheating on his wife who claimed a “republican conspriacy”, lied under OATH. GO AWAY BILL. NOONE WANTS YOU.

Idiot.

If you support Obama and his Regime, you support an Statist authoritarian who is an empty suit who speaks in platitudes who is beholden to the oligarchical collectivists and banking cabals. You are against freedom, liberty and our constitutional republic and the notion that all of our rights are inborn and are given by our creator. Some autocrat in Washington does not grant rights – the constitution simply enumerates them for added protection. The constitution also limits the Powers of the Federal Government yet an expansionist authoritarian view is used in modern times contrary to what Madison had intended. If you support Obama you support the biggest threat to our free will in our history, and when the last bastion of freedom in the USA falls, there is nowhere else to go.

“A recently released memo from a New Jersey teachers union contained a joke suggesting that Governor Christie should die.”===================================”Clinton: Rush Limbaugh Comment “Doesn’t Make Any Sense”April 17, 2010 5:02 PM”==
What kind of talk is this coming from people that influence the minds of our children??

Bill Clinton, President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999.

To Mark Russam: You are so absolutely of base. No one has touched the consitition..it is still there and in tact. No changes or additions made to it. We also have a system if you do not like what is going on you can change it and it called the power of the vote. It has not been changed nor has the consitition. You still have your rights to say what you pleas as I do so what is really changed. If Obama was what you say, he would not allow some of the demonstrations which are going on but he feels believe it or not, that people do have to right to protest and state their displeasure and at not time has he ever tried to put a stop to anything. If he did, much of this nonesense would not be going on, but it is. You still have your choices..your guns and your freedom….we all do so stop complaining and vote if you are unhappy….the system still works…he has not adjusted anything.

Hard to believe that citizens of the US could be so passionate about the Clintons. Bill and Hillary have demonstrated to all that can see that they are pathological liars. Why do we care what they have to say Mr. Tapper?

I doubt if any of you were alive or listening at the time but as the siege of Waco was going on, Rush spent about an hour making David Koresh jokes with his one time pal Ted Nugent.

Where was bill when Libs from the MSM to Academia to Congress were spewing hatred towards Bush every day? Compare the Tea Party protesters to Welstone’s funeral, the WTO meetings, SEIU thugs and rent-amobs, and most of the 60′s generation. Libs are phonies!

The only people inciting riot and violence are the Democrats! Plain and simple. What about the 80,000 domestic violence troops training in GA? Is Obama planning on stirring things up real hot and then calling in the troops before the Nov election? Seems to me the ones we need to watch are union thugs, enviro-freakos…they are already exercising their right to terrorize in the U.S……. and has been and soon to be has been Democratic politicians who will do ANYTHING to manipulate the crazies and corrupt to incite violence….in which case would be DEFENSE by any conservative trying to exercise their freedom of speech OR RIGHT TO VOTE. EYES WIDE OPEN EVERYONE, THEY ARE BRINGING OUT THE BIG DIRTY TRICKS FOR NOVEMBER. CARRY YOUR CAMERAS AND RECORD THEIR ACTIVITIES! WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED OR INTIMIDATED AWAY FROM THE VOTING BOOTH! WE WILL SPEAK AND WE WILL VOTE!!!!!!

My,my you all are a bunch of angry people. Clinton will spent a long time in purgatory, lied
,murdered, on and on.For most of you this anger extends to the media, and I guess to all Democrats-the liberal scum. A question; in your life do you know any liberals, perhaps a co-worker, a neighbor,About 40% of voters see themselves as Democrats, so it seems you probably know some Democrats. Do you have the same contempt for them (me) as you do for Clinton? or can you forgive and love them as Jesus suggests.? your hatred is truly saddening

Clinton says people are angry with government? Really? Could it be that:
1. Taxes are rising and now they want medicare tax on UNEARNED income?
2. Could it be the health care was shoved down our throat despite the fact it was unwanted by the majority?
3. Could it be the hypocrisy of our congressmen that don’t pay their taxes, yet go unpunished?
4. Could it be the fact our unemployment rate is more like 25% when we add the unemployed, those that stopped looking for work, those working jobs beneath their capabilities, those working part time because full time is not available? Yet our democratic congress does NOT focus on jobs, but additional social programs that increase the nation’s debt?
5. Could the populace be upset that, despite the high unemployment and citizens without jobs, the next thing on the agenda of congress is amnesty, code name ‘comprehensive immigration reform’?
I wonder if Clinton stops to think that the voters are more aware and intelligent than he assumes? That the voters see the destruction being created by the Democrats?

Well goodness, why should it make sense Clinton? After all, he’s not a commie liberal.

Hey charmingtail, making fertilizer bombs is old old news to farmers, which is what Terry Nichols was. Like I knew about it in 1970. There were plans being sold at gun shows for this. Freakin’ McVeigh was SELLING powdered fertilizer at gun shows.

rockychance, the Ruby Ridge shooting came about under George HW Bush’s watch. Don’t believe everything Limbaugh says (and he’s blamed this on Clinton many times). Ask Randy Weaver what the date was.

promised to close gitmo: still open
promised to stop global warming: LMAO
promised to end the wars: sent more troops
promised to fix education: continued bush programs
promised universal health care: on the way…
promised to make peace and gain respect from the world: we are absolutely hated more and laughed at now. at least before they feared the u.s.
when you bail out freddie & fannie completely, then they give someone a loan, the govt owns your house. when you bail out 63% of gm, and someone buys that car, its a govt motor. when you bail out a bank completely, and your money is there, thats govt owned. when your health issue goes before a board, your recovery is owned by the government. They don’t need to shred the constitution…just take things over in the name of being “fair”. WAKE UP TOOLS. THE LARGEST REJECTOR OF INSURANCE CLAIMS IN THE COUNTRY, MORE THAN ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES COMBINED IS MEDICAID & MEDICARE. FACT. AND IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. You may love this guy, but if you can sit back, think, and NOT believe we are heading for total govt control, i have a magic wand to sell you.

Clinton released Puerto Rican terrorists and Bush 43 released Islamic terrorists, but Clinton would have us believe that talk radio hosts are jeopardizing our national security!

“Also, has MSM completely forgot the sex scandal revolving around Bill Clinton…since when is he a moral authority to judge other people’s opinion when he lied to the American public”
Have they forgotten Rush’s drug scandals? It’s pretty funny that somebody would think that Bill Clinton shouldn’t respond to a prostitution soliciting drug addict radio loudmouth who lies constantly each and every day.

“Democrat voters are incompetent and gullible IDIOTS.” Takes an idiot to know an idiot.

WHERE THE HELL WAS BUBBA CLINTON WHEN LIBS WERE ATTACKING AND THREATENING PRES BUSH? and I DONT MEAN JUST PROTESTERS. I mean other politicians in congress….!!

Bill Clinton takes the ‘moral highroad’
…..Unbelievable. This, from the guy who “looked the other way as Terrorists
were here blowing up the WTC-The First Time. Bill was weak/ineffective as he treated it as a police matter, rather than TERRORISM(even as per BinLaden)& he
made America look like some paper tiger-thus, Terrorists hit us again on 9/11 as
Clinton/like Obama wanted trials for Terrorists-treating them as U.S. citizens. He gutted our intel/military
strength, so this guy shouldn’t offer any opinions. He is using the Race issue,just as he/Hillary did during the campaign(they brought it up,then tried to deny it) Now, he wants to make honest, hard working people out to be so
called radicals-astounding, especially since Hillary campaigning, said: “It is the right of Americans to be able to have peaceful protests in disagreeing to gov’t. oppression”. Now all of a sudden, because TeaPartyPeople who are protesting overreaching of gov’t/taxes/&
leaning towards Socialism/Marxism-Bill is chastising people? It’s ONLY because he is protecting Progressive Dems, as they are the ones doing this to America-so he wants to make it Radical on the part of honest Americans demonstrating their frustration against Govt abuses. I wonder WHY Bill didn’t speak up, when Obama’s “black panthers’ tried intimidation at the voting places and were all kicked loose by this corrupt administration? IT’S THE USUAL DOUBLE STANDARDS OF THE DEMS….and TRYING TO DEBASE PEOPLE USING THEIR RIGHTS-IT’S THE “SAUL ALINSKY TACTICS” OF WHICH BILL,HILLARY & OBAMA BELIEVE IN.

BTW: JUST, as the Clinton’s put RACE into the campaign, Bill is NOW, trying to make citizens who protest their own gov’t takeover, out to be RADICALS-He should look at the RADICALS who tried causing trouble at the TParty locations
when they wanted to infiltrate the Tea Party People. Guess honesty, was NEVER
one of Bill’s attributes, as HE/Hillary
try to Rewrite THEIR History. He is on
a cause to “instigate, as usual”

I’ve known a lot of very well educated people over the years. Masters’, PHd’s. Hired them and fired them. Sad to say, most of these people have spent a good portion of their lives in the world of academia, where schedules and budgets don’t exist. Where real-world problems are too complicated to model. They have spent their time (generally on grants or student loans —or the bank of mom and dad—)learning what to kiss and when to kiss it, because that is the world of the grad student. So they are perfectly equipped to work in the government. Not industry, not the real world. So it is understandable that they have such a low regard for ‘conservatives,’ the people with dirt under their fingernails, that actually (horrors) work for a living.

Funny how people who are against the Democrats plans, those people are subjected to being called racists, t-bags and all kinds of names. I guess only one side has the right to demonize the rest of us. Oh and if Democrats aren’t called racist names, then they just make it up

I don’t remember the former president calling any group Radicals….this is how “hot jock” commentary works!

Angry tea party, republicans, conservatives. etc., Please read the post by Lamarr01 . Do you think what he states is true? Is he a good example of a good conservative? Are you proud of his honesty? Do you think he can prove what he states. ? Do you hope he is elected president some day?

BLAH,BLAH SO MANY STUPID WITH TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS AND NOTHING TO DO ,BUT CRY AND POINT FINGERS.ROME WAS NOT BUILD IN A DAY STUPID, IF YOU CAN SHUT YOUR PIES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THINGS ARE DOING BETTER. WALL STREET,UNEMPLOYMENT DOWN IN 33 STATES CONPAIRED TO 17 IN MARCH 2010..WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA CORRECTS BUSH AND YOU HATER REPUBLICANS MISTAKES AND I MEAN MANY, YOU AND DUH MS. WHAT’S HER FACE FACE,THE ONE WITH THE VOICE THAT SOUNDS LIKE SHE HAS A CLOTHES ON HER NOSE AND YOU KNOW WHERE,OH MS. PALIN I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM ALASKA. WHOA DUMB AS DIRT, YOU GOP’ERS AND TEA PARTIERS ARE IN TROUBLE IF SHE IS THE BEST YOU GOT TO TRY AN LEAD AMERICA.JUST STOP ACTING LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH (addict& hater) WHO WANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA TO FAIL, SO THAT MEANS ALL OF US STUPID…..GET A LIFE..IN TIME YOU WILL SEE PRESIDENT OBAMA CHANGE FOR ALL AMERICANS NOT JUST THE CORRUPT RICH BUTTHOLES..HE WAS DEALT BUSH’S PROBLEMS AND HE WILL DO BETTER THAN BUSH NOW YOU CAN CRY AGAIN LIKE BUSH HE TRIED TO KILL MY DADDY.LOOK AT THE TWO,COUNT THEM WARS WE ARE IN AND I SERVED IN THEM I AM A VETERAN AND PROUD TO BE AMERICAN.IT TIME TO DO WHAT’S RIGHT FOR ALL AMERICANS NOT WHAT THE REPUBLICANS WANT THEY HAD THEIR TURN AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT YA’LL FAILED EVERY AMERICAN.PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL BRING OUR TROOPS HOME,THANK YOU JESUS………

One of the most pathetic errors in judgment that was made was Janet Reno. To her credit, though, she sure racked up a body count among civilians. “Slick Willie”, on the other hand, taught the country that no-one can really understand what the meaning of ‘is’ is. Check out the body count under Bill and Hillary; among the Secret Service it was regarded as a truism that you were safer as an enemy than a ‘friend.’ And wasn’t it under the Clinton administration that full access to all classified programs at the time was granted to China (GAO, boys and girls). Isn’t that called TREASON? Yeah, the Clintons are a pair to draw to. Just like the ones in power now. This is why we have to eliminate the professional politician from our society.

Lydia, you are confused. Don’t you recall that terrorists attacked the US while BUSH looked the other way? Don’t you remember that Obama and his “overreaching” government just lowered your taxes? Or that the financial disaster- the effects of which we’re still experiencing- happened on W’s watch and happened as a result of the Republican penchant for putting no restraints on their corporate/fat cat buddies? And how are we any more regulated now? The US government doesn’t regulate every (any?) aspect of MY life. It sounds as though you are living on some other planet!

he is spewing words about violence that haven’t (and won’t happen) happened by conservatives.
ColMWN | Apr 17, 2010 9:49:16 PM
He referred directly to the Oklahoma city mass murder by Timothy McVeigh, who gave as his final motivation Clinton’s own assault rifle ban.
More recently, look up the Adkisson murders. Adkisson “stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of the major media outlets.” That was less than two years ago. Of course, there are also Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, the racist who took at a DC cop, and that nut in Pa who killed a couple police because he thought “they were coming for his guns,” but they’re slightly less obvious partisan-driven murderers.
The DOCUMENTED FACTS are that for the last 30 years, in America the far fringe conservatives MURDER PEOPLE for their political positions. The far fringe liberals don’t. Do you see the difference? Find me an ACTUAL CITE of two liberals in the last 30 years who murdered people for their political beliefs. Put some reality on the table to support your opinion.

“So last year, Rush Limbaugh signed a 400 million dollar contract running throught 2016″
And how is he making all that money? By telling right-wing bottom feeders what they want to hear.

The best thing about Rush is that he really pisses off the left.
This means they really fear him (and those who listen and agree with him).
Flatus | Apr 17, 2010 10:01:15 PM
So that’s why even the Whitehouse press office has been working hard to frame Limbaugh at the leader of the Republican party? And since everyone from the head of the RNC to sitting Republican Congressmen have been force to publicly apologize and pledge fealty to Rush in the past couple years, they do have a strong argument.
I wonder why it is Rush has never run for office, like liberal radio big mouth Al Franken did? Let’s just say there is a reason that Democrats are thrilled to have Limbaugh as the Republican standard bearer.

The Clinton’s are a joke.
I don’t understand how all these educated liberal’s never passed economics 101 while at those elite ivy league schools. My kids understand that you can’t spend more money than you make. Next year over 50% of the people will pay no federal income tax, which means we have to carry more of the load.

Let’s get this straight..why does the LEFT fear Rush, Palin, Hannity?…
likeaplan | Apr 17, 2010 10:06:15 PM
Hannity and Rush provide Republicans tens of millions of dollars of free propaganda while Democrats have to pay for air time and do not have an entire network at their disposal to push their talking points. As for Palin, she was the Republican VP candidate, is the leader of a PAC, and is an active political operative targeting a number of specific Democrats. But fear her? Nah, just like Limbaugh Democrats would LOVE to have any election be about Palin.

Clinton is DEAD WRONG. What this country needs is a little accountability. Sometimes, a little revolution is the best medicine. He somehow thinks that the system can change with 100% civility, when in fact some of the decisions made by politicians (especially Clinton) can cause severe hardship on people and the country.
Sometimes its best to know that your personal freedoms and personal safety are directly related and affected by the decisions you make. This country isn’t so special that change comes about by peaceful means 100% of the time.
He seems to be suggesting that politicians cannot be held accountable for their decisions–until they are already fat, rich, and out of office. Politicians that pass bad laws and never have to answer for the consequences SHOULD BE DEMONIZED.

Clinton is an ***. Where was he with his warnings when half the country was demonizing GWB? What’s happening now really is a tea party compared to the liberal protestors calling for the execution of Bush, constant comparisons to Hitler, calling him the devil, a war criminal, and on and on. Clinton used Oklahoma City for political purposes when it happened, and I see he is still trying to milk it. Creep.

“He seems to be suggesting that politicians cannot be held accountable for their decisions–until they are already fat, rich, and out of office. Politicians that pass bad laws and never have to answer for the consequences SHOULD BE DEMONIZED”
I’ve not heard a better reason to continue criticizing Bush and Cheney.

I was civil when I called Pelosi’s office about Obama’s ineligibility after Kenya’s Land Minister James Orengo announced he was born there. The rep SCREAMED and cursed at me and said it doesn’t matter, then phone slammed. I’m civil now, but ABC will still censor me.
no duh | Apr 17, 2010 10:19:31 PM
I wish they wouldn’t censor you. More people need to understand that the current Republican party has more respect for a rumor about an obscure Kenyan politician than America’s Constitutional government.

saftgek do you believe in self-iniative, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of choice, self-reliance, small government, strong national defense and low taxes?
I know not of “Mosey’s” orientation, and I also know not the association of Mosey’s response to my comments. Mosey: perhaps you will explain the relevance of your comments as regards my opinion.
In response to Mosey’s comments, however, what I DO believe in is “The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few.” With a population of >300 million, we need to be a nation of laws. I believe those who are truly in need deserve to be cared for by the rest of us.
I also believe the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, prey on the ignorance of those who have minimal inclination to think for themselves. This collection of hate-mongers are not interested in a country of unity and harmony. Mr. Limbaugh consistently rails on about how “crossing the aisle” is un-American. What a load!
Mosey: an open mind with objective viewpoint goes a long way – and will go a long way – in rebuilding our country from the destruction of the Bush-Cheney Regime and the students of them (say “elected Republican officials”).

jhw, how can you say a presidential cabinet level kenyan government official, who is the fourth to announce he was born there, along with Michelle, Bill Richardson, himself, 13 vetted publications, and his grandma, are inconsequential? I know why, because you choose to ignore the obvious.
B’sides, even if he was born in Hawaii, which he wasn’t, then he still is ineligible because he’d only be a statutory US citizen and no statutory US citizen can ever be a natural born citizen.
Why?
Because natural born citizens don’t need statutes to define their citizenship.
Duh.
All statutory citizens are born with some other nation-tie. Never the case with a natural born citizen.

Was Clinton equally upset when Bush was getting threats and being portrayed as Hitler ? Strange, I don’t recall him speaking out. Here’s the thing Willie: What goes around, comes around.

Where is all this hate coming from?? All of us need to blame ALL politicians for where we are today. Where was all this hate when the Republicans were in charge….you remember the ones who spent money like a drunkin sailor!! We are all fools if we continue to think that everyone we elect cares about us. They do not….all they care about is getting re-elected! I remarked several years ago that the level of hate in this country HAS to stop…think about it…..think about just who is fueling all this hate. Limbaugh & Hannity & their croonies wind all of you up with their hate lectures & then sit back & laugh at all of you because you do all the work of hate for them. And they are paid millions to do just that. For myself, I feel that most of this garbage is doing nothing but creating fear in most of us, thus the retailiation. People, we have never been where we are today & we need to calm down & try to be more objective & not play into all the hate mongers…….

jhw, no case has ever been thrown out without a verdict because your statement assumes any case ever was tried on the merits which has NEVER happened. I don’t know where this myth started. Cases have been refused based on standing, which is not appropriate…you know what they argue? That since 100% of Americans are aggrieved for Obama’s ineligibility, none have “standing” to bring suit about it. This is why Lakin will never be court martialed either, because Obama cannot allow any trial on merits and worse, “discovery” of his documents (he’s a total fraud). Watch, the entire military could mutiny and they cannot court martial any of them because Obama has to keep hiding his documents ($2.2 million paid to Perkins Coie just for this so far).
Read up on Kerchner case…then go see the youtube with Clarence Thomas admitting SCOTUS is evading the topic of presidential eligibility.

Are Rush fans incapable of distinguishing between vigorous dissent and illegal violence? Dissenters are free to jump up and down and raise heck as much as they like as long as they don’t hurt anybody or destroy anything. If they do they are more than welcome to an extended stay in an appropriate penitentiary. We decide things in this country in the voting booth.

Look Back at these past Ten years and
Remember…..
10,000 Veterans, maimed 5,000 killed 18yrs of age to 45, the core of our society in Iraq, Ronald Dumbs-feld said it cost 60-70 Billion on the Cheap, more like 2.83 Trillion and climbing, Obama had the guts to put in the budget to prove, it existed, like a Bad bill that did’nt go away behind the Frig as Bush Hoped, all the above and NO Bin Laden, Wrong Country, Wrong Target unless you were Halliburton looking for a Buck$,
So I’m supposed to give the party of NO and DENIAL another chance?
What the Hell are you people Smoking?
YOU don’t remember the last TEN years?
I do, and Because a Fat Cat, Rush and Half Term Governor say ” Get R Done ” You rise to the occasion, because the previous Administration drove the Financial system to a near melt down, and the next guy takes the rains and You Blame Him and His constituents?
Oh, that’s real logical..brain fart!

Basically what Clinton is saying is, he believes in 1st amendment rights, but only if they are words spoken that are beneficial to him and his party…sorry Clinton, we are here to stay

For a guy with Clinton’s history, You’ld think he’d be disguised and hiding out somewhere.

As I have always said about the Clinton’s, it’s not the cream that floats to the top. Of course he can’t understand anyone who doesn’t think that they are dealing with God when in his company and should instantly agree with whatever conniving thought that runs through his head.
His disdain for the peasants (citizens) has always been blatant, but overlooked by a compliant press and an adoring ‘audience’ (for lack of a better term).
Both he and his wife are becoming an embarrassment to the nation and will not be long missed when gone.

Examples Dave. Ye of the side of the church shooter in TN.

Is it wrong that the ONLY thing I respect about Clinton was that he had an intern blow him in the Oval Office?
Neither side is right. Everyone is being two-faced in this. But to say the Democrats don’t demonize Republicans on a daily basis would be to accept that when they call them Nazis and bigots, the Democrats mean it as a compliment.
I’m not taking sides. Anyone that tries to claim the high road in this is a hypocrite. Everyone is clawing for their adversary’s eyes and trying to rise to the top of the gutter.
I’m just hoping for a strong rain to wash them all away. November, anyone?

Absolutely Skip they can scream on TV all they want BUT WE DECIDE, By the Numbers in Droves to the Polling Booths

“Over the past decade it has been 100% PROVEN that the far left idealogues have committed 3 times the violent acts as compared to the more educated, more giving to charity, and more passive right wing conservatives”
I doubt it, but remember that more educated, more giving to charity and more passive conservatives only make up a very small percentage of all those who claim to be conservative.

Rndy Weaver’s wife.any mention of that REAL, ULTRA VIOLENCE???????
Vicki Weaver was murdered by FBI Agent Lon Horiuchi when Bush I was President.
You can’t put that one on Clinton. Gov’t violence against citizens is bi-partisan.

Mark – It was a BRITISH movie. Good try.

Rush knows exactly the crowd he pleases and to say any violence against Obama will be on Clinton’s shoulders is a cop out and a fre pass to his 15-20% hard core racist crowd. And as for Sarah Palin she knows exactly to whom she is speakkking to when she says reload-what she;s really say is bring the guns to the teaparties fellahs…then we’ll balme the “liberal” media for “getting it wrong’. Both of them are quiety instigating violence in their own subversive way and the only thing worse is they have that 15-20 percent racist constituent that are capable of such UNCHRISTIAN WICKEDNESS!
A a Post Script;
For the record, the Majority of Americans did not want to invde Iraq nor did the majority of Americans believe with superb acuracy that Sadam was a “threat” or that he had WMD. Haliburton was given a no bid contract, gas prices were over $4 under Bush and the largest transfer of wealth to Wall Street was initiated by Bush-Where was your tea party then?!

“Rush knows exactly the crowd he pleases and to say any violence against Obama will be on Clinton’s shoulders is a cop out and a fre pass to his 15-20% hard core racist crowd”
I couldn’t agree more. Rush is a coward hiding in his secluded little radio booth passing off responsibility for inciting misconduct.

Clinton’s words would have had more weight had he said it when prominent members of his party were calling Bush a ‘war criminal’, ‘a nazi’,a ‘torturer’ and his win in 2000 ‘stolen’.

Skip: As opposed to Obama and his SEIU thugs who’ve pummeled, beaten bloody, even bit off a finger of a tea party protester.
Obama said, “they bring a knife we bring a gun”…what he meant is “they bring a harsh word we mow them down with machine guns”
that is what Clinton is alluding to.
HUTATREE was a flop, Obama needed a WACO to justify his hairtrigger federales to show who’s really boss-man. “Shut up or be put down” Obama 2012

President Clinton was right back in ’95 as he is today about Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh and his ilk (like Hannity and Glenn Beck) preach hate,intolerance and venom towards America and it goes too far.

Um..violence is not the answer. Clinton is saying be careful. Duh. Do people not know how to read? It truly is frustrating that people throw senseless words and threats around. ty Clinton, for putting things in perspective.

Rush knows exactly the crowd he pleases and to say any violence against Obama will be on Clinton’s shoulders is a cop out and a free pass to his 15-20% hard core racist crowd. And as for Sarah Palin she knows exactly to whom she is speakkking to when she says reload-what she’s really say is bring the guns to the tea parties fellahs…then we’ll blame the “liberal” media for “getting it wrong’. Both of them are quietly instigating violence in their own subversive way and the only thing worse is they have that 15-20 percent racist constituent that are capable of such UNCHRISTIAN WICKEDNESS!
As a Post Script;
For the record, the Majority of Americans did not want to invade Iraq nor did the majority of Americans believe with superb accuracy that Sadam was a “threat” or that he had WMD. Halliburton was given a no bid contract, gas prices were over $4 under Bush and the largest transfer of wealth to Wall Street was initiated by Bush-Where was your tea party then?! You Republicans don’t want to pay for Health Care but you don’t utter a peep over as WE SPEND 2 Billion PER WEEK on these 2 wars with no end in sight. And judging from our success at beating the British, the mightiest power on earth in 1776 by guerilla warfare…well those who do not remember their history are condemned to repeat it. We are like Rome in Bactria-Bactria by the way is modern-day Afghanistan.

Deomize? Does this man remeber the death threats if aig execs? Where was tbeir decency then? ? Man people and the press can’t remember a single piece of history that these people always leave out and clintons wife? how about that shrill speech about being sick and tired? And then there is the rahmbo knife in the table incedent screaming dead dead dead. What. A pathetic piece of garbage clinton is

Rush is brilliant and anyone listening can actually gain some understanding of what is really happening. Can’t handle Rush? Bet you can’t handle the truth either!

Hey e – By all means put a link to some far right blog for Tierra to look at to “learn the truth.” BTW, the mother of the man hurt in that said it was about money.

Patriot_Act – Freedom to remain uninsured and stick me with the big hospital bill.

no duh – Even O’Reilly has tried to tell you to stop making them look stupid with that one.

secondlook…I’ll try one more time. I know the movie was not made by an American film company. Got it? I’m saying that if a film was made depicting Obama or Clinton being assassinated, the left would be very, very upset. Got it? I’m not trying to say that liberals made the movie (not American liberals, anyway). Got it? Really, do you understand or are you just going to reply that I’m trying to say liberals made the movie?

e – The movie means nothing. It’s foreign. Even Hillary blasted it. Many liberals blasted it. YOU HAVE NOTHING.

It was all fun and games when Code Pink Activists being supplied with entry passes by Democrat staffers were disrupting Republlican hearings with fake blood and screaming Baby Killer in Condoleza Rices face. Democrats wer having so much fun then I don’t know why they are so upset now?
Hey Jake Gibbs has a face like a Polish ham with glasses when is Obama gonna have a real press confrence and don’t you feel sort of useless?

Actually Ron I think Code Pink is ignorant. Sheehan should have continued to camp at his house and not allowed Michael Moore to play her.

Clinton needs to be careful here. When it comes to who is more credible, who is more on the side of the American people, and who is more honest and trustworthy, Rush Limbaugh wins in a landslide. Taking on Mr Limbaugh would be devastating to Mr Clinton. He does better when he remains out of the spotlight, and focuses on safe public relation efforts like raising money for Haiti with George W Bush. But with Clinton you always have to look deeper for a more complicated and self serving motivation. Surely this has to do with some positioning that would impact his wife’s future political plans, and therefore, advantageous for Bill’s future plans.

e – I studied up on that one yesterday and found where the mother said it was about money. How hard is this? You even sent a link that said “they had pins on, oops they didn’t have pins on.”

Secondlook-that hasn’t happened, not in real life or in imaginationland. Try a little harder.

OK secondlook…post the link about the mother saying it was about the money. Pins on or not, the women had her leg broken, her boyfriend was beaten up…maybe is was a conservative assault. Please send the link. Thanks

“The mistakes Clinton made on financial deregulation…” CRA. Spreading the wealth. Forced lending… Threats of cease and disist orders from Clintons Feds to lending institutions. Clintons CRA changes only took a little over a decade to break the banks. Government should stay out of banking and mortgages and lending.

“When it comes to who is more credible, who is more on the side of the American people, and who is more honest and trustworthy, Rush Limbaugh wins in a landslide”
Only to the Limbots. Rush says that Americans who don’t agree with him aren’t really Americans. So most Americans realize he’s not on their side at all.

Government should stay out of banking and mortgages and lending.
Posted by: Scott T | Apr 17, 2010 11:47:53 PM
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Yeah, I guess it should . . .
Date: Monday, July 1 2002
“President Bush announced an Administration effort to increase home ownership rates among African Americans and Hispanics by 5.5 million by 2010.
“The plan would provide down payment assistance to 40,000 minority homebuyers each year . . .
“Bush’s plan would be closely tied to some $440 million in minority loan programs offered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. President Bush commended Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s efforts . . .”
All Clinton’s fault . . . right.

C’mon secondlook…you ‘studied’ up on this issue. Post the link about the Jindal staffers being beaten and someone’s mother saying it was about the money…you’re moving on to another subject without giving any facts to support your past accusation. Let’s see the link

UPDATE, 12:40 p.m.: Fox News has finally picked up the story. Megyn Kelly just did an interview with Allee Bautsch’s mother Della Berning, in which several pieces of information came out.
Ms. Berning did NOT want to discuss the political nature of the attack, though she de-emphasized rather than disputed the political angle. She did, however, confirm that from the time Brown and Bautsch left Brennan’s they were subjected to insults by a group of people who were lingering around, and as they turned the corner onto St. Louis Street and entered an area a little darker and more secluded than Royal Street where Brennan’s is, they were attacked.
She also said, without going into specifics of what was said, that “it was all about money.”

You know, I could believe what Bill Clinton said about the statement by Rush, except that the former president never opened his mouth when the news media was crucifying George Bush. Therefore, I dismiss what he says as the rantings of a hypocritical old fool!

You know, I could believe what Bill Clinton said about the statement by Rush, except that the former president never opened his mouth when the news media was crucifying George Bush. Therefore, I dismiss what he says as the rantings of a hypocritical old fool!
Posted by: Andrea | Apr 17, 2010 11:57:43 PM…….. That makes me ponder how not a single republican cared about spending for 8 years either.

Posted by: secondlook | Apr 17, 2010 11:58:53 PM
Yes, but the right wing poster stated their had been a “bloody beating”. Where did this take place and when?

Once again, you conservatives must be sniffing from the orange tube. I have to assume you really enjoy being ignorant and uninformed. If you keep your heads in the sand long enough, maybe the apocalypse will come and whisk you all off to your sky god. And BTW, how come the greatest economic growth this country has ever experienced came during Clinton’s two terms? I guess he was just insanely lucky. You could also take that to mean God likes Democrats in power more. Rush? Hello?

SIV I am Talking about Rush and Sarah dont’cop out and change the subject. Whenever you folks are hit square with the facts or the truth you change the subject. 2 BILLION A WEEK -Not a PEEP not a tea party!

“If the TV says things are getting better, it must be true!”
Posted by: Michael | Apr 18, 2010 12:02:38 AM
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You trying to tell me your stocks haven’t vastly improved since Obama took office?
Mine are back up about 35%. That’s a lot better.

BellTolls, I’m sure you were just a pup when Reagan was president, but I seem to recall how all the HMO’s that blossomed under his stewardship were going to put the insurance industry out of business.Didn’t happen then either. Let’s stick with the facts and keep the land of make-believe on FOX.

Hey Patriot_Act, when the “Conservative” Republicans take the House and Senate in November (which I have no doubt they will)nothing will change. It does not matter what they say is what they do (and how they vote).Instead watch Fall of the Republic or Invisible Empire (both on You Tube for free). And maybe you will understand the why, and wake up!

“Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate “promises,” they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight… Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? ”
Sound familiar? Read anything like that recently? Heard people spouting this type of extremism recently.
That’s a quote from Timothy McVeigh. Words do matter.

Michael – If Reagan really did raise taxes, and left with a massive deficit? And prior to him we were the largest creditor nation, but now we’re this? How can you call him a real conservative? The way I personally see it? We’ve been going downhill since Reagan.

“Obama had to make decisive corrections to keep us from a depression. Some of the comments in here reflect the economic ignorance of a fairly large segment of our society.”
Hey! Look! The president has joined the discussion.

Brother Michael,
Surely you must remember how Barry Goldwater dished it out on Reagan for increasing the deficit. And as for Limbaugh he said something to the tune of how he didn’t care to meet him because of his blind support for Reagan. The only true conservative that had any time for Rusty was William F. Buckley, and that was maybe as a court jester.

Mr. President Clinton,
We are a PEACEFUL crowd of TEA PARTY patriots who love this county and we do not like the road this president and his administration is taking us. Yet we are NOT as you were indicating and any comparison to OK. is out of line.
We were not the ones who had female with broken leg this week, we are not the one who is a ‘middle school teacher’ making the web site and ‘dress’ and signs as he does, we are not the SEIU beating up on a black man in St. Louis at a Tea protest! I think that we are owed an appology. Yet perhaps it is a ‘mirror of what you all would do’ and when you look in the mirror you are seeing a reflectiion of those of the progressive left.
It is NOT that of those of TEA!

Wow! The sleeping silent majority has awakened. If they’re blaming Obama than they were asleep for over eight years. It’s a good thing that Rush and Glenn Beck are there to set them straight. Otherwise, they could start asking questions.

We were not the ones who had female with broken leg this week
Posted by: TeaC | Apr 18, 2010 12:34:13 AM
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What is this smear supposed to mean?

This is just the same old Clinton BS trying to smear those who disagree with him.
Posted by: john | Apr 18, 2010 12:41:40 AM
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We’ve seen lots of the Republican right posting extremist comments on this very blog – there is nothing inaccurate at all in what Clinton is saying.

Your lovely wife Hillary told us we have a right to “disagree”. Gag, this Clinton interview sounds like a lot of backtracking to me. We are not a violent people – Bill, and to compare teapartiers to Timothy McVey is disgusting. That is what you did.
And by the way, Obama had a golden opportunity to turn the economy around and all he is done is pay off friends, unions and insure the public is forever beholden to the federal government. He may have inherited a mess, but he’s turned it into a disaster.

@ Posted by: Patriot_Act | Apr 18, 2010 12:50:41 AM
Hit a nerve, huh ?

“Liberals will try anything to silence any opposition”
Nobody was talking about silencing anybody. Rush made idiotic assertions that Bill Clinton is now somehow responsible for any future possible right-wing violence [since the Tea Partiers are all swearing they're peace loving]. Is this a massive comprehension problem?

MITmike65, Clinton never lost his license to practice law, nor was he convicted of perjury nor obstruction of justice. Those are Limbaughisms like the Clinton Ruby Ridge shooting and Kruschev banging his shoe as a gavel at the UN, which was (according to Rusty) “televised and in all the papers”.

Patriot Act – Check your defense mechanisms.

Rush is the one who wants to see all democrats disappear Remember? Sarah Palin is out running around and acting as if she is in the militia spouting off her mouth at these tea parties promoting hate towards President Obama. Republicans are the most vicious party in America right now because of their hate for Democrats in general and their for Obama. In my personal opinion, the Republican party and Fox News are doing everything possible to have Obama killed by some nutcase American who shares their warped political agenda and that is a big concern right now especially when people like Rush sits there day after day constantly bashing the President of the United States does in fact enables people to do something crazy. Something has to be done about these Republicans who are out there everyday trying to promote violence against people who don’t agree with their way of life and I never will.

Since when has Rush had any qualms about telling boldface lies or not making any sense? Those are things you don’t have to worry about when your followers are idiots. And what ever happened to his promise to move to Costa Rica if health care reform passed? Just another lie. Just another statement that doesn’t make sense since Costa Rica has excellent universal heath care.

SKIP, it’s all designed toward that goal, fool.

Clinton should just crawl under a rock for 20 years like Carter did then re-emerge in a Habitat-for-Humanity story. Enough of these liberal losers already!

In a statement after his client got busted with Viagra at the airport Limbaugh’s attorney Roy Black said the trip was a much needed vacation, “He just wanted to get a hold of himself.”

I would like to see Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Hannity, and the rest of the Klan members of the Republican party to all disappear in this country because they don’t serve any purpose except opening their potty mouths bitching about how bad Obama is all the time which is getting to be old news and alot of smart Americans are getting very tired of the hatred these individuals have trying their best to start violence or possibly start a civil war in this country.

tierra:
Inform me.
Posted by: The Defenestrator | Apr 18, 2010 1:34:14 AM
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You’re being ingenuous – not interested in doing your research for you.
Are you claiming there has not been another incident of right-wing terrorist violence in the United States?
Yes or no?

“Limbaugh, who admitted on the radio to be addicted to pain drugs in 2003, entered into a plea agreement in April. The charge of fraud to conceal information to obtain prescriptions (known as “doctor-shopping”) was dropped under the condition he continue undergoing treatment for addiction.”

don’t get it what about the hate from countdown, maddow, chris, ed and lauer
Posted by: adrienne lemons | Apr 18, 2010 1:43:05 AM
******************************** What hate? Lauer? You’re accusing Lauer of hate? Geeez. About the worst is Olberman. He can’t touch Beck, etc.

Yeah, like you’ve voted for a democrat before. I believe that.

Fortunately for Slick Willy Americans have short memories and time really has been his friend in shaping the memory of his administration. I think he is the greatest sociopath the world has witnessed. Shouldn’t he be running a telethon someplace for the victims of the volcano?? OBAMA – HOPE he fails. CHANGE his address 2012. READ the Constitution. God Bless America!

First of all Rush was not convicted. Maybe if YOU had had the pain he was suffering with you might have a little more compassion.
Second, there has been nothing but violence from the LEFT. It was the LEFT who did violence back in the ’60′s and it has been the LEFT who has done violence in the recent past year. It was SEIU thugs who beat up a black man who spoke against Obamacare.
It was obviously the LEFT who shot Rep. Eric Cantor’s office window.
To date there has not been one single incident of violence from any in the TEA PARTY movement. They even picked up their trash on the Nation’s Mall in DC after their rally. The LEFT just trashed the place after the so-called million man march and other left wing gatherings.
The OK City bombing only occurred AFTER what happened in Waco, TX on Clinton’s watch. I’m not saying it was right, it wasn’t, but there were obviously some who saw a government out of control and acted. It was wrong all the way around. McVeigh received the death sentence as he should have.
Clinton has done nothing but try to set up Tea Party members as violent anti-government without one shred of evidence. Maybe he and the LEFT need to take the beam out of their own eye before criticizing anyone else!

HLH I forgot. The abortion doctor.

Whenever Bill Clinton says anything, I always wonder if he’s lying to us now.

Extremists are not the main stream in America – and should not be condoned.

Then, he plays a disgusting cheap shot like this, and he reminds me why he is so odious.
Posted by: oldpink | Apr 18, 2010 2:43:41 AM
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What ‘disgustingly cheap shot’?

I’d say that likening concerned Americans who are peacefully exercising free speech rights to Tim McVey is about as demonizing and careless as it gets. What we have here is a political gang-bang to smear Tea Party participants with Carter, Clinton, Obama, Cooper, Tina Fey, Newsweek, Geraldo, etc. each taking their scheduled turn. It won’t work. It only increases our numbers.

actually tierra , all the members of hutarii are behind bars with no bail, judge has ordered so for 2 years untill their trial begins, I have seen such before, it was in a communist country that people are jailed before being proven guilty, judges reason for no bail was that they could be a danger to community, again communism.

Sean Hannity, March 30: “When you think of the vast majorities they have in Congress, and they had the bribe back room deals, corruption,” Hannity continued, “that’s because of the Tea Party movement, all these Tim McVeigh wannabes.”

*1776
(had to amend – i know i’ll get jumped on by all the lefties for a typo)

oopsb – The 96% was never for that low of a salary. Just saying.

The conservatives are waging a losing battle. Like their namesake, they’re simply trying to “conserve” what remains of individual freedom and self-determination, while so-called “progressives” are steering us toward a supposed new order, promising peace, equality and justice, through social engineering emanating from godless humanistic philosophy. If our creator really is just a convenient myth, then it doesn’t matter — let them pursue their socialist ideology — though it tramples our freedoms now, eventually free thought will emerge again. On the other hand, if God takes a dim view of sin and pride — woe unto we who do not resist the new “Tower of Babel” they’re building. But in both cases, the end will come — and a new beginning. And, it’s definitely the progressives that will foment violence to ratchet up the fear they need to implement their policies. Conservatives just want to be left alone.

secondlook wrote: “Sean Hannity, March 30: “When you think of the vast majorities they have in Congress, and they had the bribe back room deals, corruption,” Hannity continued, “that’s because of the Tea Party movement, all these Tim McVeigh wannabes.”"
I will play it safe by nailing you on both counts with this one.
1) You are a mendacious little jerk who deliberately takes a quote from Hannity that he made lampoon those on the left who claim the Tea Partiers are McVeighs in waiting.
2) You are too stupid to recognize when Hannity is deriding you, and you take the bait, only REINFORCING his joke.
Either way, the joke is STILL on you.
Next up, perhaps you will go ballistic over a Saturday Night Live parody skit.
Hell, CNN actually “fact checked” one of those about Obama last year.

Better a sex lie (answerable to his spouse NOT YOU) than waterboarding and WAR “for a profit” to destroy our country. Prison is way to little for bush w, chaney & rove. Talk about liars!!!!

cigarman – Why not? It’s what you expect of anybody they say is a terrorist. So, we only do that to foreign terrorists, right? Not home grown ones?

trying to “conserve” what remains of individual freedom and self-determination
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Much as they like to pretend, conservatives do not own individual freedom nor self-determination, they have no special rights to claim its their creation nor their sole possession.
It belongs to people all over the planet, not just American conservatives.
Pride comes before the fall.

secondlook, way to dodge just getting majorally pwned.
I suppose having that kind of thing happening multiple tiems a day desensitizes you to it.
Very well, then.

doc you got that adressed wrong :P my comment is above the one you quoted

secondlook, do you honestly not know what the constitution says? do you not realize that it protects American’s not foreign terrorists. ReallY???

I am surprised and disappointed to see,after reading almost all posts here, the number of people who seem to see Tim McViegh as a hero and justified in his actions due to what happened in Waco, Being lazy and not looking it up, did not the Dividens bar there own children from escaping, and did not many of the members of the group condemn it. Anyway, you Mcveigh supporters- , go to Oklahoma City and shout out you views. That killing innocent government employees is commendable and reasonable given the actions of the government they work for. One example of a McVeigh apologize “Keep in mind that McVeigh claimed that blowing up the Fed building in Oklahoma City was an act of revenge for the assassinations carried out by Clinton administration operatives at Ruby Ridge, Idaho and Waco, Texas. McVeigh’s original intent, it is said, was to knock the building down at night when it would be empty, but he suspected that his mission had been compromised, so he moved the timetable ahead. Better to have scrubbed the hit on a target of poor propaganda value, and gone to ground. A better revenge would have been to have kept these issues alive and in front of the public eye. ” THERE ARE MANY,MANY MORE,

secondlook, just some observations for you to ignore yet again.
1) Why do you pay attention only to “Death of a President,” while completely ignoring all the other very obvious examples of liberal stupidity and hateful activity? Oh, it’s because the movie was not produced on our shores? Well, that certainly excuses all the rest of that misbehavior, doesn’t it?
2) You damn well DID dodge, and I have a pretty good idea that you were in the camp of most – if not ALL – of the examples I mentioned. Hell, you probably still have your bottle of lighter fluid and GWB mannequin in your closet.

The Tea Party is a group of people who deeply hate the United States, and would take up arms against it at the drop of a hat. They are brothers under the skin with Timothy McVeigh.

Posted by: Magic Dog | Apr 18, 2010 3:59:41 AM “The Tea Party is a group of people who deeply hate the United States, and would take up arms against it at the drop of a hat.”
Actually, many of us in the TEA Party are like myself – proud veterans who love this country so dearly that we have risked our lives fighting to protect her. If arms are taken up by any of us, it will not be out of hatred, but because of love for this nation and our oaths to protect her against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
That said, we do not think a call to arms is necessary. We believe in the very foundation of this country – the concept that we our a nation of, by, and for the people – and that by calling upon our fellow citizens to express their dissatisfaction and disdain for the actions taken by the current administration we can gain enough power through the polls this November to bring this nation back to the people.
While I am certain that you, this administration, and certain others who do not love this nation will criticize us for our love, I am equally certain that your criticism demonstrates just how hollow and false your claims are.

so, Mr Limbaugh calls for “regime change in America” – same term the neo-cons (whom he is one) used for the violent overthrow of governments in Iraq, Iran, N Korea, and he claims that it is actually Mr Clinton who is making the environment dangerous?
wow.

Clinton: “doesn’t make any sense”
You mean like this statement:
“It depends on what the meaning of the words ‘is’ is.” –Bill Clinton

Russia invaded Georgia when it looked like Obama would win.
Now Russia has just slaughtered the entire Polish government and religious leadership.
And Obowma cannot make himself into a big enough pretzel for them still.
See folks the reason why you don’t want a foreigner as president is just this…Obama is taking over and destroying the USA before our very eyes.

now you see I find this disturbing, was Billyboys wife present when he made this statement? did Hillary aprove it?

Bill Clinton invented the modern version of divisive politics. He is, in large part, responsible for the dangerous nature of politics today. It was Bill Clinton who spoke often of a “vast right wing conspiracy” that never existed. He and Hillary often tried to make passive dissent sound as if it were insurrection. Clinton fanned the flames of hate for his own political purposes and now should be publically held accountable for those flames burning out of control.

Obama plans to stage a faked Mexican incident to demonize Tea Partiers and gain sympathy for his 40 million illegals to amnesty/voter status for his permanent dictatorship.

i personally liked clinton as pres.even though he is a typical pol.the crazy folks have always been out there,and always will be.what the polticians (both parties)are having trouble dealing with right now is,because of the bad economy,folks are more resentful than usual.and are letting the employees know that they are unhappy with their job performance,and alot of the politicians can’t handle being taken to task because it usually doesnt happen that way.and the clintons are the worst about that.huckabee too.

“the words we use really do matter…” Who would know this better than William Jefferson Clinton? What is, “is”? Perhaps Mr. Clinton should perform some introspection before casting aspersions? Then again, Mr. Clinton was always convinced of a “vast right wing conspiracy” that was out to get him. Well Mr. Bill, what you said the other day and what you are now claiming that you intended, “The only point I tried to make… we also have to take responsibility for the possible consequences of what we say,” are two different things. So, yes what one says and more importantly what one does matters immeasurably and it’s time that you take responsibility for your speech and actions.

Gee, Billy and his pals didn’t seem to concerned about death threats against President Bush…After all, leftists DID make a movie about killing the man.

Congress and the man shouldnt try to change things the way they want them but the change should be for the people! Now if the man and congress is so good for the people then why dont they have the same insurance and why dont they have to be on social security like all the people! Trouble occurs when the man and congress cherry pick for themselves and have the best programs and they want the people to have second rate programs–This show the man and congress feels they are above us? That is where trouble occurs!

bill i worry about your supporters not the tea party

MikeJefferson – The number of people that showed up in DC in November covered more area than the ‘Million Man March’ of the Leftists did (as per National Park Service Estimates), by about 50%.
Just because you disagree with t anumber doesn’t make it so…100K? I think you woke up during the last 10 minutes of the protest.

Mr Clinton is full of himself …he thinks he’s IMPORTANT….he’s a lowlife..The American people are fed up with all the BS from Washington…the games they are playing with us…our leaders DONT WORK …they PLAY WORK…they dont make anything or invent anything…we, the COMMON FOLK who make this country run…Washington DC is USING US …our leaders go to MEETINGS and FLY AROUND THE WORLD for other so-called IMPORTANT MEETINGS and its all BS….its time for the people to WAKE UP and vote these idiots out of office….bring back COMMON SENSE and LOVE OF GOD AND COUNTRY and the AMERICAN WAY….

If his lips are moving, he’s lying.
Clinton + Words = Fiction

SO – Is Rush Limbaugh broadcasting from Costa Rica???

hey Shirley did you actually hear/read the quote? Limbaugh said he’d move to Costa Rica IF in FIVE YEARS certain things happen.
Looks like you’re gonna have to learn to repeat a lie for 5 years.

Mr Clinton has no role in shaping, controlling or modifying the current political discourse in America other than as a private citizen. His words have no meaning.

You know what really makes me sick about liberals? They sit and cheer while the government steals my hard earned money. It’s like I’m living in an alternate universe.

just go away Bill nobody gives a damn what you say.LIES LIES LIES

America was formed by a Revolution, not by the Boston Tea Party. The Obama regime is being given fair warning. Stop the communism. They are not listening, obviously. Congress can’t even be bothered to read the bills they pass – bills written by powerful lobbyists for the elite class. Obama is amused by the people’s demands to stop the oppression of liberal fascism. He’s Marie Antoinette. There is still time for the liberal fascists to change their ways, reject communism, and roll back all the socialism. If they refuse, they will be responsible for any unpleasant consequences of their arrogance.

I worry about a man, a Rhodes Scholar and a president, that doesn’t know what the meaning of “is” is. Not to mention the meaning of ‘sex with that girl’. I’m not too worried about any proclamation of misunderstanding coming from such an idiot.

tierra said:
Anyone can see the video of that incident on the internet, and anyone can see the ‘beaten’ man after the scuffle where somebody falls over.
The man displays not a single injury of any kind, walks around with ease and speaks with no stress or evidence of any kind of trauma.
Check it out – and this is pretty much all the Republican right can find. Sad.
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Another lie, tierra. This man was seen, treated at the ER. Left the ER in a wheel chair with documented bruising, lacerations and injuries.
Look it up.
And how about the missing finger? Was that faked too?
Desperation is your middle name.
NOVEMBER 10

Truth never makes any sense to the liberals. They live out of lies , greed and hate and blame the other side of doing those things. Perhaps they should look at themselves first but it’s a lost cause because they cant be honest to themselves in the first place.

Rush NEVER said he was moving to Costa Rica. He said he MIGHT seek medical care in Costa Rica if Obamacare passed. Sheesh!
Clinton is a lying snake like all leftists. They can call Bush Hitler all day long and scream free speech but ANY criticism of them is hate speech.

Mambojam says, “Where was the Tea Party and the GOP when Bush was raising the deficit from a surplus to 10 trillion dollar deficit? Which triggered the recession and the massive unemployment second only to the great depression. The GOP Bush era will be remembered by history as the worst presidency ever.”
The Bush/Republican era is already remembered as the worst presidency in history, a true clusterflop, and if anyone were to ever perform even worse (God help us if Sarah Palin ever won) the nation would be done. The idiots here posting criticism of Obama are clueless, the type of people PT Barnum loved to talk about. Remember, it was the Republicans who said in 2000 they’d turn America around. And, oh, how they did.

Clinton has proven himself as untrustworthy, a philanderer, an opportunist and a `side-mouth piece’ for the so-called president. Consider that Clinton might be `informed’ that something tragic could be in the making, giving this so-called current administration an `excuse’ to blame the tea party organization!

Nothing troubles the sensibilities of the American left more than the exercise of free speech that does not conform with their worldview. I wonder if they will ever stop to wonder why Rush Limbaugh is a success while Air America was a total failure? Is it really possible to talk of Oklahoma City and ignore Ayres, a presidential friend who bombed the Pentagon?

Mr. Tapper: Have you ever seen an effigy of President Obama being burned at a protest? That happened with Bush but the press didn’t think it was significant back then. Of course, when it’s the most popular president ever with the press it becomes an issue.
And you claim to be unbiased???

I couldn’t find the part where Clinton decries and apologies for Democrats demonizing President Bush for 7 years, beginning a few weeks after 9/11, when they grew tired of unity, which appeared politically inconvenient for them.
Democrats treat the American people as if they were fools. As if we don’t all remember that the average Democrat rally was unruly, offensive, violent , condemning of the American system and values, and threatening elected officials with prosecution if not assassination. Whereas the Tea Parties are polite, focused on issues, in every way supportive of the American system and its core values, and awash in optimism about the future of this country (at least following the 2010 and 2012 elections, which will trounce the Democrats turning our system upside down).

Limbaugh Right Clinton Wrong!

I’d much rather see Brett Baier interview Clinton.

Mr. Perot thanks to you! BJC and HRC are relevant.

Hey mambo, were the GOP convention protesters polite? How about the ones at the G-7 or at the WTO? Where were your complaints then?????

Will says, “They also never seem to care about the FACT that Obama has run up more debt so far than EVERY PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM….COMBINED!!”
This is the kind of stupidity to which I referred earlier. It’s a lie or a simpleton’s conclusion – you’re only choice. Failed Bush/Republican policies destroyed the economy and caused tax revenues to be the lowest since the Great Depression in 2009; Obama has to deal with the myriad and many negatives caused by the George W(orst in history) Bush; Bush added $6.5 trillion to the national debt through FY 2009 (it was ‘only’ $5.5 trillion on 1/20/2001) and the blunders of Bush domestic and foreign continue to damage US. Hey, Will – this must be the day you chose to illustrate just how much of a fool you are.

Hey Bill We do disagree with our eleted officials and they don’t pay any attention.You said we shouldn’t demonize the government or its public employees or its elected officials. But what else can we do until the next election?

Yes tomorrow is April 19, Patriots’s Day, which commemorates the battles of Concord and Lexington that began the War of Indepdence.
Do leftists hate our country so much that they disparage the battles that began it?

People are angered that the Congress especially the House which has forgotten that it represents a constituency in small districts back home in favor of representing the president and a political party instead. This leaves the “back home” folks without representation.
Remember as we celebrate Independence day each year we are celebrating a revolution that was based upon “Taxation without Representation”!
TEA Party rallies are quite civil, maybe even in comparison tho the rhetoric on the floor of Congress. However, it is the President and the Congress that has sewed the seed of discontent. Rush, Glenn and Sean are but modern representations of Samuel Adams.

Run Sean Run!!!!!

Are you blaming derivatives now mambo? Are we officially adding them to the list of “causes”? I’m just asking because you and the rest of the dems change what the “causes” really were every chance you get.

Do leftists hate our country so much that they disparage the battles that began it?
Posted by: crewjobs | Apr 18, 2010 10:01:01 AM
Riiiiight. Because being sick to death of the dogwhistling on the Right means we hate our country in the worldview of nutcases.
Frank Rich (NYT): ““It’s Not About Race” declared a headline on a typical column defending over-the-top “Obamacare” opponents from critics like me, who had the nerve to suggest a possible racial motive in the rage aimed at the likes of Lewis and Cleaver — neither of whom were major players in the Democrats’ health care campaign. It’s also mistaken, it seems, for anyone to posit that race might be animating anti-Obama hotheads like those who packed assault weapons at presidential town hall meetings on health care last summer. And surely it is outrageous for anyone to argue that conservative leaders are enabling such extremism by remaining silent or egging it on with cries of “Reload!” to pander to the Tea Party-Glenn Beck base. As Beck has said, it’s Obama who is the real racist.
I would be more than happy to stand corrected. But the story of race and the right did not, alas, end with the health care bill. Hardly had we been told that all that ugliness was a fantasy than we learned back in the material world that the new Republican governor of Virginia, Robert McDonnell, had issued a state proclamation celebrating April as Confederate History Month.
In doing so, he was resuscitating a dormant practice that had been initiated in 1997 by George Allen, the Virginia governor whose political career would implode in 2006 when he was caught on camera calling an Indian-American constituent “macaca.”

Frank Rich, NYT: “Most Americans who don’t like Obama or the health care bill are not racists. It may be a closer call among Tea Partiers, of whom only 1 percent are black, according to last week’s much dissected Times/CBS News poll. That same survey found that 52 percent of Tea Party followers feel “too much” has been made of the problems facing black people — nearly twice the national average. And that’s just those who admit to it. Whatever their number, those who are threatened and enraged by the new Obama order are volatile. Conservative politicians are taking a walk on the wild side by coddling and encouraging them, whatever the short-term political gain.
The temperature is higher now than it was a month ago. It’s not happenstance that officials from the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Virginia and Mississippi have argued, as one said this month, that the Confederate Army had been “fighting for the same things that people in the Tea Party are fighting for.” Obama opposition increasingly comes wrapped in the racial code that McDonnell revived in endorsing Confederate History Month.”

Bill Clinton is a compulsive lier ,
he just bables he is the one that doesn’t understand the consequences
of speach . Why can’t these failed people just retire and leave us alone

Limbaugh needs to shut up. I am sick of all his complaining. Even the USA is not perfect. What if we started finding the good in things. Mabey things would start to get better.

Progressives are statist and are DANGEROUS TO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. BEWARE OF THEIR GAME AND DEFEAT IT AT THE BALLOT BOX.

Hey Bob why don’t you trying listening to RUSH for 6 months and maybe you will get a clue.

Clinton, Gore, Obama, Reid, and Pelosi: they are the ones who do not make any sense… economically or politically.

Timothy McVeigh had more in common with Bill Ayers and his Weathermen than anything else. Both blew up government buildings and killed people.
“Guilty as sin and free as a bird” says Ayers today.
The left continuously called for Bush to be killed and Clinton said nothing. Democrats never got exercised about that back then.
Bill Clinton was a liar and a jerk and has lost nothing.

Should have asked him his thoughts on the Rothlisberger situation. That!… he has real experience on…

Ever heard of Earmarks spending?
Democratic Congress and Democratic Senate of 2009 under Obama spent 40 Percent less, Less, LESS than the Republican congress and Republican Senate in 2006 under a Republican Administration!
And yet Republicans always claimed to be the Fiscally Responsible Party, But based on the facts, Facts, FACTS that Republican Claim makes no sense, Sense, SENSE at all.

Rush, Hannity, Bennett, Levin, Beck and that group, are simply profiting off of an easily lead portion of America that takes heart in their separatist banter and racial undertones. Their jobs are only to keep enough followers angry enough to hold ratings and cash flow. They don’t care about the American people or America, they are after cold hard cash. Can you imagine them trying to find good things to say for a week? NOPE. They’d lose ratings! LOL! Very simple mathematics, keep’em angry, keep’em hot headed, keep the cash coming in. The country isn’t left or right, in their minds the country is ripe for the pickens! As a matter of fact, that’s what the Republicans did during their eight years of complete control of the Executive Branch, and Legislative Branch of Government. Now, in the last year in a half they believe they are new conservatives? LOL! Just follow the cash. The Dems are just as bad. Don’t get lead all around by those talk radio clowns, they just need your head count, so they can keep counting the cash from advertisers who are simply trying to sell a product.
Turn off your radios, go read a book to some kids, make a difference at home. If you can’t read, then get taught to read. Don’t be just a tool for someone else’s wealth. Good Day.

Incredible that Tapper would waste President Clinton’s time asking him to respond to that drug-addled circus animal Limbaugh. It’s like asking about Bieber’s take on the Euro or Palin’s opinion on foreign policy–totally irrelevant and useless.

so we can believe a times/cbs poll that may “allegedly” show that there is only a 1 percent of minorities in the group. but when the polls came out about barry o’s healthcare overhaul and socialising medicine, those polls didn’t count and weren’t very accurate and all that good stuff. good to see that a progressive would have a double standard.

Clinton has never had a shred of common sense, or dignity. He has never been honest about anything, if he were he would be in prison. The only people who are trying their best to incite violence are the Democrats themselves. All you have to do is listen to them.

Our freedom is more important than your ‘good idea’, Ralph.
The problem with scolars is that they don’t produce anything, except ideas. This is how they make a living, so in order to validate (make a living) themselves they must find a way to impose those ideas on others.
They think the hard working folk are just a ‘pawn’ for the ‘players’. What they can’t (or don’t care to) understand is that the average working ‘Joe’ just wants to be left alone.

Mr. Clinton whacked Waco. That makesthe tea party movement common sense.

DEMS WIN IN NOV.

The Democrats spend more effort denigrating the patriots of the tea parties than the Islamic extremists.
The Democratic Party has become a party of convenient truth, advocates for the killing of God’s most innocent, vehement critics of our great nation, a money for votes policy and squandering our treasury into bankruptcy.

While Limbaugh is self-aggrandizing and pompous, he is generally correct in his predictions and forecasts of political issues. Most people against Limbaugh generally point to his human foibles while ignoring their own.

The power of many groups in our lives to influence our thoughts and actions can be enormous, especially when we desperately want to be accepted by any given “in group.” If you vote liberal this is you! Creating dependents on government is evil to the human spirit. You are killing individual spirit while you think you are helping. Its cognitive dissonance time.

I never once heard Bill Clinton condemn Rap Music for the violence it encourages.
Nor dozens of violent Left Wing wacko groups who made death threats against President Bush for 8 years.
The Ultimate Hypocrite.

To each of you foolish “bloggers” who say Bill is wrong, well you are wrong. Words matter and you do need to monitor what you say. I served while Bill was President and I didn’t agree with him, but I NEVER threatened the man. I just voted him out. If any of you “so called” sanctimonious, self righteous, call to arms militia type folk want to start something in this country, I will support this government completely. You are no less a patriot, because you disagree than if you agree with any administration in office. The Civil War is over. You fight at the ballot, but don’t be surprised if the guy you voted in also takes advantage of you. I voted for Bush and look at what that got me. Nonetheless, I still respect the Office and yes, I respect them (Bill, Bush, Obama, etc) for choosing to “run”. Most of you “bloggers” are cowards and you can’t do anything beyond your crummy lives of which you want to blame everyone else for. You “haters” of Bill Clinton disgust me. Wealthy pundits like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Levin and the likes are sitting fat, while you “dummies” take it in the BS… why don’t those pro business “talking heads” do something with all that cash and create enterprise (jobs). Sarah made more than 12 million last year, why doesn’t she open up a business (in Alaska) and create jobs? All they can do is talk and all you “haters” can do is “listen”. There is only one group of people in this country who can legitimately say “I want my country back” and that is the Native American, who has been shut up and placed on a reservation. The rest of you “fake, I don’t like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Democrats, Liberal, bigoted clowns” can take a seat at the back of the bus.

Hey Bob why don’t you trying listening to RUSH for 6 months and maybe you will get a clue.
Posted by: Ralph Right | Apr 18, 2010 10:27:21 AM
I tried that, and Rush is an idiot who only cares about his own bottom line.
Posted by: jim | Apr 18, 2010 10:35:32 AM
Jimmy Boy: profit is evil? Ask yourself a question? Why has RUSH been so successful? Could it be he confirms what so many people believe? Why has Air America crashed? Could it be because liberalism really creates dependents on government and is evil to the human spirit? Rush exposes the hypocrisy of people who think like you. You think you are helping when in reality you are killing the human spirit. May you life’s journey give you some cognitive dissonance. It happened to me it can happen to you. Come on join the good side.

“Most people against Limbaugh generally point to his human foibles while ignoring their own”
I can say the exact same thing about most people against Clinton.

Refer back to article on February 17th where Bill Clinton and James Carvelle were teaming up to destroy the tea pary movement and those attending. What has taken them so long? To be sure, if Carvelle and Clinton are involved, they have a plan to discredit anyone who dares disagree with them

“Why has RUSH been so successful? Could it be he confirms what so many people believe?”
Exactly. Rush gets paid the big bucks to sit safely away in his little radio booth and tell right-wingers what they want to hear. He’s no more than the polar opposite of Howard Stern for righties except he cannot operate in any open forum. He just delivers prepared messages.

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson
In the words of Bill Clinton when Thomas Jefferson said that he “just gave the kooks (of their day) out there an excuse to be violent.”

Just because you are associated with the Tea Party doesn’t make you any more a patriot than the person who isn’t associated with them Albert Spizzo. I served in the United States Navy, am I any more a patriot than someone who served in the Army, Air Force or Coast Guard? You people are so full of yourselves. If you don’t like Obama fine, but don’t hide behind fake patriotism.

This is one citizen who will personally hold Murdoch, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and Palin personally responsible should any harm befall President Obama.

“It was not, but hey…for right-wingers there’s never a bad time to promote discrimination in lending.”
Yeah, how dare anyone discriminate against those who won’t pay you back?

Give me a break! The left has been demonizing doctors bankers and the people that work on wall street for the last eight years to create this public hate for capitalism. But I guess that is okay with Clinton’s agenda. Clinton is a liar just like Obama and the media just gives him a voice when he should have none in that he is not a reliable source. ABCnews sucks. I do not listen to talk radio but alot of what I read that they say is usually right on even though some is a little far out. But Bill Clinton is trash in a suit.

“I am all that stands between you and the pitchforks”
Who said it?

Do you feel better or worse after you listen to Limbaugh. This man constantly arouses anger and outrage amongst his listeners. Do you enjoy being stressed out every day from a man making millions spewing lies. Stress kills. I have never heard him say anything substantive and true.

Do any of the pothead lefties here remember Bush being pelted with eggs on his first inauguration day?
I thought not.
He could not even walk down Pennsylvania Ave as lefties would nto respect the Presidency. Bush was not their President that day.
Yet now we are told that we have to respect Obama as our President.
The left is so absolutely pathetic.

“We shouldn’t demonize”? You’ve got to be kidding… The new left-wing term circulating for tea party conservatives is “Tea Klanner”. How could that get any more inflammatory? The left invented demonization (Saul Alinsky), and it’s only OK for them to use it. The longer they continue to stoke the flames by calling people racists when they clearly aren’t, and the longer they resort to general name-calling, the crazier it’s going to get. Former President Clinton apparently hasn’t been watching what his own team has been doing, because they are the ones throwing gasoline on the flames.

I love Pres Clinton. He was a great president.

Demonizing corrupt government–BAD. Demonizing tea party–GOOD. Bill Clinton

“Leftists are inherently authoritarian and demand obedience/subservience.”
ROFLMAO!
Yes, which party votes in lockstep and cannot accept anyone that is not right wing…why that would be the Republican party.
The right wing truly is delusional.

“Yeah, how dare anyone discriminate against those who won’t pay you back?”
The CRA prevented discrimination against people who COULD pay their loans back but were being unfairly categorized by banks.

When analyzing the process of debate one can always tell which side is losing a political argument. Typically the side that gives up the debate and instead focuses on limiting the speech of its participants is the loser in the arena of ideas.
I find it interesting how so many of the liberals making post here find it necessary to want to suppress the likes of “O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck and the rest of FOX news puppets.” Very telling indeed.

“President Clinton. Last president with a budget surplus.”
With a Republican congress. Congress makes the bills, the President just signs them. Bush had terrible fiscal policies, that’s true. However, Obama and the current congress is making Bush look like Mr. Scrooge in comparison. C’mon, is that all you’ve got?

“How about you give him a call and debate him? Let us know when you are calling and we’ll tune in (based on the logic/observations provided in so many of your posts, should be great fun!)”
I will be more than happy to debate Rush Limbaugh on equal terms anytime, anywhere. Therefore not on his radio show where he can talk over me and cut me off.

The repub congress. Not all the time during Clintons admin. Fought him just like Obama. The president sends the budget to congress. Congress might make changes and the Pres. has the right to sign it or veto it.

“Yes, which party votes in lockstep and cannot accept anyone that is not right wing…why that would be the Republican party.The right wing truly is delusional.”
All Senate Democrats vote for “stimulus” package. All Senate Democrats vote for healthcare “reform”. Isn’t this “lockstep” voting?
BTW – Any examples/situations of Democrats who accept (to paraphrase) “anyone who is not left wing”?
Seems the delusioned is calling out others as delusional…

“I will be more than happy to debate Rush Limbaugh on equal terms anytime, anywhere. Therefore not on his radio show where he can talk over me and cut me off.”
Seems like excuses not to engage in debate to me…He has the audience, he has the show, he makes the rules. If you think you could credibly take him on, it would seem to me you would be anxious to call.

Translation: It’s OK when we do it but wrong when our opposition does it. Free speech is for speech liberals agree with.

Arguing with Limbaugh on his show is not real debate. He can only play when the deck is stacked. Let’s see him debate anybody on equal terms.

“He has the audience”
I don’t think for a minute that me or anybody else is going to win a debate with Rush in the opinion of anybody in his audience. Let’s see him come out of that safe little booth in front of everybody. He won’t because he knows he’ll get eaten alive.

Forgot to mention that Obama voter – that Alabama prof that killed 4 or 5 innnocents recently…

President Clinton. Last president with a budget surplus.
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Uh huh. The fact that the nation swept Republicans into power in 1994 over the entire Congress under the Contract with America specifically to bring fiscal restraint to the government means nothing to you?
Please don’t insult people’s intelligence.

r last year against Kenneth Gladney, nor against Gov. Jindal’s aide
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Pretty slim pickings it seems. What was the ‘anarchist violence’ in 1999?
Anybody can see the Gladney video on the internet and can see there was a very brief scuffle in which someone trips to the ground. Gladney is clearly visible at the end showing absolutely no signs of injury, no limp, no marks, he’s speaking calmly and clearly, he walks with no difficulty . .. and the right calls this ‘a brutal bloody beating’. Liars.
Same with Jindals’s aid. The police report clearly states there was no indication whatsoever this was a political attack.
Slim pickings and not even true.

“I don’t think for a minute that me or anybody else is going to win a debate with Rush in the opinion of anybody in his audience. Let’s see him come out of that safe little booth in front of everybody. He won’t because he knows he’ll get eaten alive.”
I agree. From my POV you don’t offer substantive debate that would change the opinion of anyone in this (P-Punch) forum, much less Rush’s audience.
As far as “eaten alive”, I’m not sure on what evidence you base your opinions. Say what you want about him, but one does not build the empire he has built while being inherently stupid/incompetent (same applies to anyone with similar accomplishments, regardless of their politics).

Bill you’re accussing Rush’s statement not making sense, but yours does. Bill take your meds and lay down for a while

No Sandy T – The Secret Service has said they’re WAY up.

Posted by: jymallyn | Apr 18, 2010 1:09:10 PM
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Those two talk radio guys are the anti-Christ? By definition the anti-Christ will bring false peace to the world. Is that what those guys are doing?
They’re political activists – and you just hate that don’t you.
You’d love to shut down all free speech from conservatives, wouldn’t you?
Know what? Your comments make no sense! You should have a chat with Bill Clinton…lol!

“Say what you want about him, but one does not build the empire he has built while being inherently stupid/incompetent (same applies to anyone with similar accomplishments, regardless of their politics)”
The old right-wing Wealth=Success argument. If you want to say being a biased media loudmouth who caters to angry fanatics is being successful that’s one thing, but claiming it’s true because he got rich doing it is another. Drug lords get rich too.

Brief scuffle? Tripped?
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Yes, anyone can see the video of the incident on the internet.
Gladney is clearly visible at the end showing absolutely no signs of injury, he walks with ease, no limp, no marks, no blood, no confusion, he’s speaking calmly and clearly . .. and the right calls this ‘a brutal bloody beating’. Liars.
And the Jindal incident police report says there is no indication of any kind of a politically motivated attack.
You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel and there’s nothing there.

CLINTON is doing his best to DODGE LIMBAUGH’S FACTS!!
THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING WAS REVENGE FOR CLINTON/RENO’S MASSACRE AT WACO.

Yea, thanks Rush for all you have not done for America: You’ve never served the public in any capacity. You feed from the trough of your wealthy friends while mocking those who try hard to help others. You are an embarrassment to hard working Americans. I may not agree with every aspect of Bill Clinton’s political career but the man shows up help when asked. More than can be said about you.

The Health care passed – Rush promissed to depart to CostRica and never come back if such a law ever passed- we are waiting lier Rush.

CLINTON is doing his best to DODGE LIMBAUGH’S FACTS!!
THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING WAS REVENGE FOR CLINTON/RENO’S MASSACRE AT WACO.
Posted by: ARCHON | Apr 18, 2010 1:30:19 PM
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Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds of innocent people including children because he was a disturbed right winger who had been reading disturbed right wing literature – and reacted in a disturbed way.
He is no hero.
The extremist right shows their true colors.

Yes, Secondlook: It IS good to admit when you’re WRONG, but a Replublican doesn’t just spew out incorrect statements like YOU did, therefore admitting we’re wrong does not have to happen as frequently as YOU. Stick to the facts…try it – you might like it.
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Seattle – Evidently I stand corrected. I used Google just now to learn it was said somewhere else and the SS corrected it. Unlike a republican I can admit when I’m wrong.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 1:32:48 PM

It was under the Clinton administration that the communication wall was erected between CIA and the FBI, allowing the external threats such as Al Qaeda, monitored by the CIA since before the first WTC bombing, to ‘drop off the radar’ as soon as their operatives entered the US.

If right-wingers brought anything to the table worth debating I might have something better to contribute however the diatribe on these pages seldom contains anything substantive.
Posted by: Skip | Apr 18, 2010 1:35:13 PM
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LOL, and you blame ‘right wingers’ for diatribe? Look at yourself in the mirror man and see what kind of language you’re using. When you bring substance, you give us a call – we’ll be busy raising our families, reading and learning, working and doing productive activities.

rush limbaugh?? sara palin? mitt romney?? rofl—romney has virtually the same health care plan in Mass. Palin–Hell No! Rush…………does anyone really take him seriously? Bill Clinton– a proven liar– W.– a proven liar Reagan–”i have no clear recollection of that” Obama “Change will happen” hmmm and Bill Clinton may be a womanizer (HB) but he also is extremely intelligent—balanced the federal deficit and , yes, left a surplus, and the record for the longest and most lucrative period of economic growth in history, without repub right wing support

You rude ones are totally proving Clinton’s point today. Interesting.

secondlook — you mean “rude” like insinuating working-class mainstream Americans are “right-wing extremists,” referring to the Tea Party with a vile obscene reference (Clinton even used that ‘baggers term in his “formal” capacity as a former president, the fool), “racists,” etc., etc.,
Nice try, hypocrite. You libs’ clumsy Alinsky emulations — up-is-down, traditional-is-radical, turn them tables, paint with a broad brush, etc., ad endless nauseum — they aren’t washing, pal. Try the truth for a change. Try honesty and plain-speak.
You libs have taken name-calling and insipid name-alteration to a puerile new low.
Glad I struck a nerve there, though.

Carlo you crack me up.

Aha, so Limbaugh, exercising his free speech, selling ties and online and hard copy magazine subsriptions is like a drug lord?
Not specifically, but I wouldn’t be surprised after reading the excuses for the Oklahoma City bombing that right-wingers would define drug lords as successful since they often get rich.

secondlook — it’s called a search engine. Try one.

“Whitehouse quoted Clinton arguing: ‘The reason the tea-baggers are so inflamed is because we are winning.’”
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Oh what a terrible thing to say!

Skip, Bill Clinton and liberal commentators at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing claimed that Limbaugh and others were responsible for inciting hatred and that they contributed to the political perceptions of the bomber,ergo the were to blame for Timothy McVeigh’s actions.This was even before McVeigh went to trial, before anybody knew what his motivations were.It was an unprovable slander,a terrible smear.Where was Mr. Clinton when a motion picture portraying the murder of the sitting President was made?Why is a former President even getting into a spat with a radio commentator in the first place?Even if he disagrees all he is doing is giving Limbaugh more publicity and legitimacy by raising him to his level.

There are wackos on both sides of the fence. Sitting here and trying to prove that one side has more is stupid. I consider myself a tea-partier. I am not rich, and I think I have more common sense than all politicians. Everyone in government is a good for nothing crook. The faster people realize this the better. Rather than wasting time fighting about which side is better. Both sides are bad!

“When you bring substance, you give us a call – we’ll be busy raising our families, reading and learning, working and doing productive activities”
I’m openly acerbic in retaliation while you couch your attitude in condescension.

mb I pretty much agree with you. But please know that the people actually promoting the Tea Party Express are some well known republican Political Action Committee types that are exactly what you’re supposed to be against.

Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds of innocent people including children. He had immersed himself in extremist right wing theories and became convinced his terrorism was justified – so he killed a whole bunch of innocent people.

Noooo, they’re not inflamed:
Worried about liberal infiltrators, Kevin Terrell, a self-described colonel in the Ohio Valley Freedom Fighters militia based in Louisville, Ky., led about two dozen camouflaged followers on a patrol around the park. “I’m a little apprehensive because of the left-wing nut jobs out there,” Terrell said.

Ever notice that when commie Clintons and Marxist Dems rail against Conservatives they are portrayed as patriots?
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The smear and demonizing continues . . .

Posted by: Nephron | Apr 18, 2010 1:51:18 PM
Agreed. Furthermore, I’m not sure how this helps Clinton…there are now many more Americans who are engaged in the political process (vs. during Clinton’s term in office, for many reasons) who either were too young, weren’t paying attention, or were otherwise unaware of connections between Waco and McVeigh. These comments have done more to educate/remind Americans of the interconnections, which does not further Clinton’s standing. I assumed he had more political savvy than this.

I suspect Clinton’s supposed inability to understand is like his confusion over what the meaning of “is is…

Gee tierra, substitute “left-wing” for “right wing” and it would exactly describe Corpseman Obama’s pal William Ayers, except for the fact that his girlfriend was incompetent enough to blow herself up before they could blow up the Ft. Dix club.Being a Jack Layton Democrat you probably are not aware of that.On the other hand,you do like the Grits,don’t you?

Gee tierra, substitute “left-wing” for “right wing” and it would exactly describe Corpseman Obama’s pal William Ayers
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Ayers used explosive devises but dedicated himself to not injuring or killing people.
McVeigh set out to kill hundreds of people.

I loved Bill Clinton so where is my friend Bill Clinton and what have you done with him.
I campaigned for him both elections just as I did with Obama. I’m no longer a member of the party.
The party seems to think they’re attempt to re-set the political demarcation line far left will not work and they know it. In summation the Democrats have seven months to either bring us together or add to the Tea Party ranks. If this results in the latter it will be a very long time before we see any moderate liberals of which I am representing anyone or anything.
Bill, say it aint so! I’ll try to hide this from my Mother who is now a Democratic Tea Partier but just loves Bill and Hillary. It’s all over the web so I’ll be getting a call soon.
Tina

What McVeigh et al, did has to reflected upon. He did show patriotism, however misguided. He died for his beliefs, as what he intelligently perceived, but there had to be another way less extreme and lawful. AND who would have thought that politicians would use a Federal bldg. for a nursery? Other than that he was a good man, a veteran and patriotic!

Limbaugh is RIGHT !

It appears Clinton is intentionally agitating and hoping for some violent reaction from the liberals who have repeatedly displayed their rage and hatred for others. Remember, it was Clinton who encouraged the FALN terrorists by granting them a pardon, and who meekly responded to continued murders of out military by the Islamic Jihadists leading up to 9-11. He is adept at fooling liberals with his double-speak and his awww shucks, disregard sexual harassment behaviors. Why would anyone today give any credence to this known liar and perjurer?

Ayers used explosive devises but dedicated himself to not injuring or killing people.
McVeigh set out to kill hundreds of people.
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SandyT | Apr 18, 2010 2:23:53 PM
Too difficult for you to see the difference? Ask the relatives of those killed in the Oklahoma bombing …

So, slick willy calling a legitimate group of Americans a sexual pejorative as well as the MSM media and other liberal leaders doing so, is okay??
Wow – double standards run a plenty with you, don’t they?? LOL
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The point is simple – extremist, inflammatory rhetoric sets up all kinds of people for extremist acts.
The Republican right’s main tactic on this blog is name calling, fear mongering and smear tactics.
A juvenile approach that can lead to dumb actions. Get smart.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 2:24:41 PM

“Ayers used explosive devises but dedicated himself to not injuring or killing people.”
Do OFA Talking Points encourage defense of Ayres’ actions or are you off script here?
Imagine the heads that would explode if a conservative defended the actions of a terrorist…

“Ayers used explosive devises but dedicated himself to not injuring or killing people.”
Imagine the heads that would explode if a conservative defended the actions of a terrorist…
Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 2:33:40 PM
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Stating facts is now unacceptable to the Republican right?
The Republican right believes facts are unamerican. Cute.

Ayers used explosive devises but dedicated himself to not injuring or killing people.
McVeigh set out to kill hundreds of people.
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SandyT | Apr 18, 2010 2:23:53 PM
Too difficult for you to see the difference? Ask the relatives of those killed in the Oklahoma bombing …
Again, apparently too difficult for you to understand . . .

Hmmm, I guess conservatives don’t consider anybody that goes against our government to even be a terrorist. They must be patriots.

“Imagine the heads that would explode if a conservative defended the actions of a terrorist…”
They’re doing it right now all over this comment page.
Posted by: Skip | Apr 18, 2010 2:36:11 PM
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Exactly, defending Timothy McVeigh . . . the Republican right is nothing if not hypocrites.

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun – because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl.” Barack Obama
‘Nuff said…

The original tea party arose do to TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. The current tea party members all HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE. If they didn’t use it during the last election, then they have no one to blame but themselves. If the candidates they supported did not win, why are they trying to oust the ones that the majority of Americans chose rather than find a candidate that has the overwhelming support of more voters?
Perhaps they need to focus less on complaining about those who were elected and focus more on finding solutions to the problems that affect ALL AMERICANS. The strength and attractiveness of the tea party is that it is based on bitching and complaining about government which has been and will probably remain a popular American pastime. The weakness of the party is it offers no real solutions, vision or competent leaders to move American citizens forward to a defined brighter future.
Real freedom comes at a price. Not every American is willing to share the responsibility or carry the burden of their portion. EVERYONE wants less tax no matter what political party you’re backing. The reality is that the government cannot effectively pursue the responsibilities of providing its citizens with a safe, stable and functioning society without a means to accomplish such a task. We refer to that means as TAXES. Our lawmakers have created a tax collection system that is filled with confusion, disparity, inequality and loopholes that have crippled our ability to finance our commonwealth. The real debate should be about FAIR TAXATION and how we can accomplish that without dividing our nation. Many won’t like that form of change but as things stand now, most don’t like the way is currently is. Those that do have it good keep their mouths shut and support their politicians to keep it that way.
Some things that the politicians have allowed that may cause people to be disenchanted with the government…
• Millionaires and Billionaires who pay less tax than a family earning less than $100,000 a year.
• Monthly government payments in lieu of medical treatments for those afflicted or ailing.
• If every man, woman and child in the United States each gave $40,000 to the U.S treasury, we would still be in debt.
• Payments for daycare services for the unemployed.
• Corporations with billion dollar profits that pay little or no tax.
• Political campaign finance reform.
• Monthly financial reward for parents or guardians of disruptive or inattentive students.
• Government funded programs that line the pockets of a few people with little or no success for its intended purpose.
• …and the list goes on and on.
The U.S. Constitution is a very long and complex document by which our rights as citizens are listed and defined. It includes our guide for government, judiciary, laws, rights, privileges and responsibilities. As is typical of all political parties, claims are made that sometimes government acts in unconstitutional ways. More often than not, political parties hire lawyers to make legal arguments and justify their party’s position. Legal loopholes are frequently abused and mishandled by our politicians who seldom miss the opportunity to use them to point fingers at their opponents. Our politicians should close the loopholes and be accountable for better defining our laws rather than using them against political rivals or the constituents they represent.
It is obvious that we need change. Electing different and new civic leaders may only change the face of our government, and not change the direction in which it can go. History has proven that a cycle has formed. The county’s political thinking swings from liberal leaning to conservative leaning and back again every 8-12 years. Most of the years the political process never moves forward as the parties cast aside diplomacy in favor of the party’s agenda. This is the part that prevents most worthwhile governmental change. When our government fails to move the country forward, it is then that we lose trust in the ability of our government.
If we, the people of the United States, do not trust our own government, how can we expect the world to respect us?

Skip, Yet they reverse this logic when applying it to the hippie that “might” have killed a couple of cops. I can’t follow any logic here. Oh, yes I can. It’s that typical double speak. The main objective is demonize Obama and all liberals. Even if you speak out of both sides of your mouth.

Right back at you: and YOU’RE not defending Ayers?? Why do you name call the right when you’re the one defending terrorists and being a hypocrite?
Please make some sort of sense with you vitriol..
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Then you’re a victim of your own willful ignorance. Check the comments below defending and making exuses for McVeigh.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 2:45:04 PM

tjp612: “Imagine the heads that would explode if a conservative defended the actions of a terrorist…”
Skip: They’re doing it right now all over this comment page.
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What conservatives and what terrorists?
This conservative does not defend terrorism, in any form, by anyone (including Ayers and McVeigh)…but apparently there are liberals/progressives/lefts (however they choose to identify themselves) who will defend terrorist acts by the Weather Underground/Bill Ayers (ostensibly due to Obama’s relationship with Ayers).
Another example of “ideolology/party before country” on display from our friends on the left…

Well then, let me help you re-read your own comments, Secondlook: (I know it’s kinda tough to remember the vitriol you lefties spew even if it’s only a few minutes ago, so glad to help you remmeber what you said):
Well, I’d personally call it compassion when you merely destroy structures over killing many humans in the process. And by all means attach some stupid former hippie from the 60′s, one of the crazier times, to now to try to make relevant points. After all, it’s been proven Ayres is indeed Obama’s half brother or something. Well, not really.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 2:29:10 PM
Wow. I’ve seen nothing on here but conservatives praising Satan and supporting armageddon. Oh, sorry! For a moment I thought I was a republican.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 2:51:16 PM

Bill Clinton?
a- He was the rally organizer in front of the American embasy in London, UK against the Viet-Nam war
b- He gave a Presidential pardon to Puerto Rico Nationalist Party TERRORIST serving life in prison for a gun attacked to our US Congress
c- He and his A.G, Janet Rino gave back to Cuba the boy Elian Gonzalez and easy Cuba-USA inmigration laws .
d- He said Progressive movement is one step at the time :-) .
No further comments you decide !!

“Exactly, defending Timothy McVeigh . . . the Republican right is nothing if not hypocrites.”
Interesting…I’ve read most of these comments and with the exception of single post from someone who was either being sarcastic or trying to stir things up (or clearly deranged), I have seen ZERO evidence of defense of McVeigh by the “Republican right”.
There is however ample evidence of support of the actions of Bill Ayers by supporters of Barack Obama (e.g., you – tierra)
I can see why there are those who are such ardent fans of ObamaCare – They are hopeful their medication costs will drop.

There is no difference between Ayers and McVeigh philosophically. The difference only lies in the scope of the attack. If you defend Ayers in any way you are a traitor yourself.
The Clintons are a bunch of crooks. They have been their entire career. They are still probably shredding documents.
Biggest hypocrits ever. Hillary standing there praising dissent while people scream “HANG BUSH” but someone speaks up against the awful health “care” bill and they are anti-American.

Blaming law abiding Tea Party Members for possible future home grown terrorism, while not calling the Muslim radical attacks on us here and abroad acts of war against this country.. Its this kind of double minded politicaly motivated baloney coming from the Libs thats going to get us all killed if we dont wake up and get back on track. Never mind the economic devastation thus far that they are perpetrating. But “we” the folks on the right, are the problem for noticing and OMG, HAVING THE NERVE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THEM. HOW DARE WE…. Political correctness will be the end of us.

.I’ve read most of these comments and with the exception of single post from someone who was either being sarcastic or trying to stir things up (or clearly deranged), I have seen ZERO evidence of defense of McVeigh by the “Republican right”.
Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 2:55:47 PM
Do you really want me to go back and pull out the posts and make a fool of you?
You’re claiming there is ‘one post’ supporting or excusing McVeigh and that’s it?
Yes or no?

Mark M – All things within reason. Balance.

Exactly, it’s mainly Secondlook & tierra from what I can tell that SUPPORT Ayers’ “compassionate terrorism”…, but I’m sure it won’t be long before some other leftie chimes in to support them too!!
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Interesting…I’ve read most of these comments and with the exception of single post from someone who was either being sarcastic or trying to stir things up (or clearly deranged), I have seen ZERO evidence of defense of McVeigh by the “Republican right”.
There is however ample evidence of support of the actions of Bill Ayers by supporters of Barack Obama (e.g., you – tierra)
I can see why there are those who are such ardent fans of ObamaCare – They are hopeful their medication costs will drop.
Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 2:55:47 PM

“Name one Right wing group that made a movie about assassinating Obama.”……… How bout I name one BRITISH filmmaker that made this movie? Put this in and it ruins your entire post. Now, excuse me while I go gather things that have taken place in Europe and attach them to republicans.

“Do you really want me to go back and pull out the posts and make a fool of you? You’re claiming there is ‘one post’ supporting or excusing McVeigh and that’s it? Yes or no?”
Yes. Bring it. For once you might do some research rather than your copy and paste responses.

nothing will stop these power-hounds, except…someone stop them

Personally I don’t support either one. Terrorist is terrorist. I just happen to think trying to attach Ayres to Obama is absurd, and typical right wing nonsense. Just more of that “guilt by association” that eats up that side.

mccomrie: “nothing will stop these power-hounds, except…”
Well, campaign finance reform what be a good place to start. Isn’t that something we can all agree on?

What is it that you leftists want your government to do for you?

THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING WAS REVENGE FOR CLINTON/RENO’S MASSACRE AT WACO.
Posted by: ARCHON | Apr 18, 2010 1:30:19 PM
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Clinton/Reno’s murder of 72 children, women, and men in Waco is what caused the murders in OKC!
Posted by: slowrider | Apr 18, 2010 11:42:42 AM
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Here’s one for you guys that have CRS: What McVeigh et al, did has to reflected upon. He did show patriotism, however misguided. He died for his beliefs, as what he intelligently perceived, but there had to be another way less extreme and lawful. AND who would have thought that politicians would use a Federal bldg. for a nursery? Other than that he was a good man, a veteran and patriotic!
Posted by: Rivchard Fusilier | Apr 18, 2010 2:21:25 PM
All defence and excuses for a terrorist.

“What is it that you leftists want your government to do for you?”
Excellent question. I can’t speak for everyone, of course, but for myself and many others, we want to be able to use government as a tool to step in when people are getting hurt – either by each other or by circumstances beyond their control. We want to use government as a tool for leveling the playing field, and making sure nobody gets left behind due to the unfair practices of others. We want government to work for US, the people, and not the powerful. Is that so much to ask?

Dear Bubba,
If we have to take responsibility for what we say then you must be one of the most irresponsible people we have ever encountered…..”all depends on what the meaning of is, is”..”I did not have sex with that woman”..and it just goes on.

“Yet another example of your lack of reading comprehension skills. Please see my prior post regarding my take on terrorists”
Well if you missed all the right-wingers trying to vindicate McVeigh your reading comprehension skills must be no better than mine.

If we’re going to count bodies there are degrees. You’re the one with the guy calling him a patriot. I grasp that the liberal church shooter in TN that killed two and wounded several was a terrorist too. He hated liberals.

Secondlook: “You’re the one with the guy calling him a patriot.”
This is a good example of the ridiculousness of the entire argument. Trying to tar all conservatives because of what one commenter said, is just as silly as trying to tar Barack Obama with the fact that he once met a person who once did a bad thing.

I think everything BHO says encites leftists to further destroy freedom. He should think about this before he speaks.

Now then, simply substitute “Liberal Democrat” for “Republican right” and substitute “Bush” for “Obama” and your laughably thin, unfounded, inequitable, hypocritical, nauseatingly unctuous statement might make some sense.
Posted by: Carlo | Apr 18, 2010 3:32:53 PM
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Quit blaming others for your own behavior.
The hate campaign against the President is being done by the Republican right.

jock, While I’d agree the conversation is ridiculous? It’s my right to have it. You coming on here trying to monitor won’t change much.

Well thank goodness Sandy. It was getting late for you to start calling me a liar. I was wondering when that would begin. I especially love calling me a liar after I admitted I’d made a mistake about something. Most interesting.

tierra,you still have not addressed the Ft. Dix attempt and Ayers complicity in it.Why? You defended him and claimed that he didn’t want to hurt people-pure nonsense.We all know that McVeigh was a terrorist-but a terribly effective one.Ayers was also a terrorist-just not as good at it as McVeigh.And Obama’s first fundraiser was AT HIS HOUSE.How many fundraisers were at McVeigh’s house?Ayers should have gone to jail-and would have except for legal technicalities that would not have applied in your country.

SandyT — it’s clumsy Alinsky tactics these brainwashed liberals use; they think themselves “clever” and “equipped for debate” by attempting (poorly) to turn the tables and fling falsehoods.
But they cannot argue substance. The minute you start talking figures, start talking constitutionality, start pointing out media hypocrisy and misinformation, start tying your reasoning together — as soon as you start in with reality, their “fallback position” (their ONLY position, really, from the get-go) is to cry “racist” or start with the name-alteration or baseless innuendo and deliberate, knowing false-witness-bearing.
That is why it’s easy enough to forego citing facts and logic — which is like trying to teach math to a brick wall anyway — and instead just trump them by pointing out their own self-contradictory “illogic” and hypocrisy.
Not that throwing a few factoids in once in a while doesn’t help. They trip over those the same way they trip over their own lying tongues.

Carlo
The fact that one “side” did it does not show that the other side isn’t doing it even more. Your logic seems to be getting lost in your need to think up insulting adjectives.

tierra,you still have not addressed the Ft. Dix attempt and Ayers complicity in it.Why?
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Because Ft. Dix never happened and so Ayers played no part in it.
Ayers committed himself and the people he worked with to NOT injuring or killing people and they bombed many places without injuring or killing. That was there stated approach.

What are you babbling about Sandy? Prove what to you? Like anybody could prove anything to you. Your mind is made up.

You mean like the 8 years of government demonization by liberals, including the Clintons, when a party member other than a Democrat held the presidency?
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When Bush left office, something like 75% of Americans disapproved of what he had done. This was not the opinion of a few ‘extremists’, America had had enough of Bush, the neo-cons and the Republican right.

Secondlook:
YOU accused me of supporting / calling McVeigh a patriot, and I’m asking you to prove it, BUT since you cannot…you’re going to ignore my calling you out and / or deflect the subject.
That’s what libs do when they spew false things.
Still waiting for your retraction.
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What are you babbling about Sandy? Prove what to you? Like anybody could prove anything to you. Your mind is made up.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 3:46:45 PM

Limbaugh actually said that? That’s so crazy, vicious and fact-free that I’m mildly surprised that even Limbaugh would stoop so low. How and why has Limbaugh been given the right to spew his invective 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, year after year on AM radio, “balanced” with only sports talk and gardening tips? Radio executives should hang their heads in shame.

“All defence and excuses for a terrorist.”
Well, at least this wasn’t your “usual” cut-and-paste response.
First: The comments you cite regarding “OKC was revenge for Waco!” do not prove defense of McVeigh’s actions – They state McVeigh’s motives.
The comment posted by Rivchard Fusilier | Apr 18, 2010 2:21:25 PM is the comment I referred to as being a crack-pot comment (or blatant attempt to stir up discussion).
Thus, you have provided no proof that conservatives/Republicans are supporting/defending McVeigh’s actions and terrorists. Time to move on…(w.r.t. this topic, same to you Skip – unless you have something more convincing).

I’m following jock outside. He’s right.

Still waiting:
on Secondlook to prove that I think McVeigh is a patriot and on tierra to answer my 2 questions.
Guess there’s no need to provide facts on this site when you just want to throw out BS and besmirch someone – wow.

Posted by: Carlo | Apr 18, 2010 3:40:46 PM
Well stated. It’s the same thing, day in, day out with the hard-core Left. Critical thinking is an undemonstrated capability for these folks.

First: The comments you cite regarding “OKC was revenge for Waco!” do not prove defense of McVeigh’s actions – They state McVeigh’s motives.
The comment posted by Rivchard Fusilier | Apr 18, 2010 2:21:25 PM is the comment I referred to as being a crack-pot comment (or blatant attempt to stir up discussion).
Thus, you have provided no proof that conservatives/Republicans are supporting/defending McVeigh’s actions and terrorists. Time to move on…(w.r.t. this topic, same to you Skip – unless you have something more convincing).
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I posted 3 examples of right wingers posting excuses, rationale and defense of McVeigh’s actions – you were wrong that they didn’t exist.

tierra said “something like 75% of Americans disapproved of what he had done . . . America had had enough of Bush”
Oh I see, so it’s a numbers game with you.
So as long as the numbers fit tierra’s judgment calculator, then the anti-government rhetoric is justifiable, and if your calculator computes out 75% of Americans against Obama, what will you say then?
It took constant pounding from liberals for 8 years to reach the supposed numbers you are trying to cite. These “numbers” you’re citing weren’t just directed against Bush but against all conservatives. While we suffered these insults for 8 years, nobody said you didn’t have a right to express them. Now that your guy is in power and people are complaining, to you tierra, this is the crime of the century. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

“While we suffered these insults for 8 years, nobody said you didn’t have a right to express them. Now that your guy is in power and people are complaining, to you tierra, this is the crime of the century. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.”…… Yeah, you’re right. They said we had no morals and values, were Godless (Ann even wrote a book), were traitors, put our troops in danger, undermined the war, hated America, were unpatriotic, gave comfort to the enemy, wanted to bond with terrorists, sinners, and just about every other negative ever considered. But you’re right. I don’t think anybody ever told us we didn’t have the right to say those things. And who did we say them about? Bush. Who do you say them about? ALL LIBERALS.

“By who? This argument isn’t about dissent.”
Here you go, Skip:
Steve Pearlstein of the Washington Post (8/7/09):
The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they’ve given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They’ve become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems.
From Politics Daily 8/13/09:
LAS VEGAS – Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, was having second thoughts – or was he? – about the way he had characterized people who are disrupting town halls with “lies, innuendo and rumor,” and not letting others speak. They are, he had said, “evil-mongers.”
A day after tossing out the term “evil-mongers” in the closing speech of his annual clean energy conference, Reid was alternating between pride in his coinage and knowing that he probably should be trying to defuse, not escalate, the turmoil erupting at town meetings across the country on health care reform.”
There are many, many other negative references made by Democrats referring to those who do not agree with (and have protested) the Obama agenda (of which you are surely aware).
Anything else, Skip?

Concerned American citizens from Republican, Democrat, and Independent “persuasions,” basically saying this (among other things in the same vein):
*** We didn’t want that healthcare bill and you shoved it down our throats, we didn’t even get to see what was IN it, Pelosi said “we need to pass the bill so you can see what’s in it”; Obama was supposed to “focus like a laser on jobs” and instead seems only concerned with growing the bureaucracy and taking over private sector; this “global warming” business looks farcical and the bureaucrat hacks and radical leftists look to be using it as an “excuse” to usurp more power and raise taxes and wrest more liberty from citizens; Obama seems out-of-touch; Congress is playing deaf; the NUMBERS do not hold water and our government seems fiscally irresponsible to the point of being delusional; the MAINSTREAM MEDIA have stopped being watchdogs and are now blatantly propagandist and are almost PROUD of their open bias in favor of this administration, which seems to be running amok with its own self-serving “agenda” while it ignores the screams of NO and SLOW DOWN by us, the concerned American people. ****
The reply from the left and the brainwashed liberal adherents whom the leftist authoritarians see as “useful idiots”:
***It’s all racism. These people are dangerous extremists. Limbaugh and Beck need to shut up. The People need to shut up and grab their ankles. The unwashed rabble do not know what’s best for them; we, the elitist “illuminated few” know what’s best for the peons. Why are you so racist? Why are you so angry? Stop listening to talk radio. You should thank Obama for your taxes. 2+2=1. 2+2=2. 2+2=3. 2+2=5. Don’t you get it? The American People “deserve” to have unwanted legislation shoved down their collective throat.****
Everything else is pedantry and smoke-and-mirrors and surreal wordplay.

So do conservatives have a right to free speech or does that only apply to liberals complaining about conservatives?

EPU, Now you’re going to try to argue there really isn’t some giant demonization of “all liberals” oozing off the right, huh? Sure. Whatever. In that EPU world of yours. Yeahhhh. Right. My new favorite bumper sticker? “Annoy a liberal, Pay your bills.” Some idiot sold them here in a store I stopped shopping at.

I find it amusing how Obama can’t defend his own actions so he uses the Democrat posterboy, Bill Clinton, to do his dirty work for him.
Can you imagine what would be said of Bush if his Republican presidential predecessor stepped in to say “stop demonizing the government”? All hell would have broken loose.

What would it have looked like if in 2003, Donald Rumsfield stepped in for Bush and challenged Michael Moore to tone it down?

You can wait until the cows come home. I don’t do bully.

“Leftists are inherently authoritarian and demand obedience/subservience.”
ROFLMAO!
Yes, which party votes in lockstep and cannot accept anyone that is not right wing…why that would be the Republican party.
The right wing truly is delusional.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 18, 2010 12:31:41 PM
Authoritarianism is a right wing thing. As is fascism.
Its fairly odd to project that onto the left wing, in direct opposition to the meaning of the terms– although I think that’s likely the point.
Just as a btw to the disinformed several recent studies–psychological, anthropological, sociocultural– have noted that conservatives and Republicans tend to be more risk-averse and fearful than liberals and Democrats, AND to prefer hierarchy, and more authoritarian lines of power– which is why they can relate so well to the religious right, the lines of command in the military, the lockstep loyalty of the Republicans in Congress, towing the party line even it means collective amnesia about the past decade.
But… delusional definitely works, too.

What would it have looked like if in 2003, Donald Rumsfield stepped in for Bush and challenged Michael Moore to tone it down?
Posted by: EPU | Apr 18, 2010 4:24:56 PM
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Bad analogy EPU, Rumsfield (sic) was part of the Bush administration. Clinton is outside of the Obama administration.

Everybody in the Bush administration did step in and try to shut everybody down. Rove, Cheney, Rummy.

tierra says:
“Oh great. Who cried ‘racist’ here today? Answer: Nobody.”
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Without looking over all the posts, are you really that dense? It’s packaged all together with the defamation and disinformation and mischaracterization applied against the Tea Party movement.
The “RACISM” angle was the first thing out of the gate as soon as that movement started picking up momentum. Then the vulgar name-alteration. Then more with the “RACISM” and how the Tea Party was comprised 100 percent of “old white men.” Then, when that doesn’t quite seem to be “shutting them up,” the peanut gallery and doughy Bill Clinton start in with the “dangerous right-wing extremist” nonsense that you are pushing here today. It’s all part and parcel of the same stinking, dripping sack of lies and bigotry and sophomoric and transparent Alinskyite tactic.
Spare us the deliberate obtuseness and the “how dare you put words in our mouth, we liberals NEVER accused you of racism” sanctimony and hypocrisy. Whether you call a concerned American “extremist” this afternoon and “racist” this morning, or vice-versa — we see where you’re coming from, the trail of slime goes back to the same place.

“If you say idiotic things with your free speech – you can expect some feedback.”
Which (ironically) is probably why more comments are directed to you than anyone else on this blog…

tierra continues to make excuses for Ayers: that pretty much sums it up.If your a left winger,it is all OK to blow up buildings where people work-nobody will get hurt,right? And the only reason that scores did not die at Ft. Dix (a plot Ayers WAS intimately involved in) was because the terrorists were too incompetent to pull it off.If Ayers was so innocent why did he go underground after it happened?How do you explain his behaviour?How do you explain the “Prarie Fire” comments on terrorism?Good intentions?

progressive mama says:
“several recent studies–psychological, anthropological, sociocultural– have noted that conservatives and Republicans tend to be more risk-averse and fearful than liberals and Democrats”
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Yeah, sure, which “studies–psychological, anthropological, sociocultural” would that be? If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS, eh?
As for fascism — you really REALLY need to look up the concept in a credible encyclopedia.
It involves totalitarianism, and government-run industry and GOVERNMENT corporatism (gee, nothing familar THERE, huh?). It is a brand of STATISM. As for NAZI fascism (National SOCIALIST Party) — that philosophy involved gun-control, state-run propaganda, population control and “genetic culling,” forced service to the State (gee, nothing familiar THERE, either).
whereas the American brand of conservative movement that is identified as “the right” in popular political speech, is largely libertarian (within moral boundaries), concerned with individual rights, abortion abatement, low taxation, small government, you know the score, I am sure. Not that Republicans live up to these things, and I myself do not agree with all things under the “current umbrella” of “conservatism” — for instance, I think a measure of protectionism and isolationism vis-a-vis commerce and foreign policy are justified, a la pre- New Deal conservatives; and I think the corporations have had WAY too much sway with both parties.
Nice try, though, especially like the tone of condescending, look-down-the-nose elitist scorn.

Funny– Clinton steps in for Obama but when they were all trashing Bush and threatening his life Hillary said “I’m sick and Tired.. check youtube for her screech. The left (Chavez Castro Che Stalin Mao etc etc have always been the violent murdering threatening Politicos) Just like Obama and Slick Willie supporters. First kill the babies then the old people and then all dissent!

Billy Boy needs to go find an Intern…ABC news needs to go off the air

Irregardless of what party or political philosophy you adhere to, there is one word we can all agree will bring the eventual fall of the United States of America: Entitlements
For example, it is now costing more to run state public employee pensions than the programs themselves. Even Liberals, who are ardent supporters of public schools and social programs, are taking notice of the outrageous cost of pensions and health services for state employees – who can receive them as early 50 years of age and up to 90 percent of their salaries.
I think most Americans (not just those in the Tea Party) are outraged at having to pay even more taxes to support public employees and not receive more services for their tax dollars – it’s as if the private sector works to support the public sector. This was predicted several decades ago where the takers will eventually outnumber the makers – and eventually the makers will revolt. The public employees unions and the politicians who cater to them are the greatest detriment to the economic survival of our country. No company could survive if it had to pay more for its retirees than for its employees and operations – so why would running a state or a country be any different?

“As usual, the Republican right introduces racism into the discussion and then pretends race is being thrown in their face.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 4:41:44 PM
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Oh, there’s no pretending about it. For over a year, the press that adores the lefties has labeled the Tea Parties ‘mostly white’ ‘angry mobs’ and we’ve seen how the movement has been labeled ‘terrorists’ ‘racist’ ‘nazis (or basically accuesed of nazism)’
For you to deny reality strains credulity tierra. Good luck with that.

We are approaching a dictatorship that the left always whined the Bush administration was.
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This is exactly the kind of extremist fear mongering that causes unhinged people to do stupid terrorist violence.
The Democrats are not demons. The President is not a dictator, he’s an elected President – and he is not going to become a dictator. That is something you’ve made up.

Oh, there’s no pretending about it. For over a year, the press that adores the lefties has labeled the Tea Parties ‘mostly white’ ‘angry mobs’ and we’ve seen how the movement has been labeled ‘terrorists’ ‘racist’ ‘nazis (or basically accuesed of nazism)’
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Nonsense. The accusation was the tea party people walked around with Nazi symbols – and they did – accusing the President of being a Nazi.
You’ve got it exactly backward.

“Authoritarianism is a right wing thing. As is fascism.”
Its fairly odd to project that onto the left wing, in direct opposition to the meaning of the terms– although I think that’s likely the point.”
It is odd, but yet the current class of Leftist Democrats demonstrate several tenets of fascism. Here are some excerpts from wiki that seem to pertain to the Obama/Reid/Pelosi triumvirate:
- Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism (supporting evidence: demonization of private citizens who express dissent such as Rick Santelli, Glenn Beck, etc.)
- Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement (supporting evidence: demonization of Fox News, Tea Party movement, etc.)
- Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national solidarity (supporting evidence: Institution of a “Pay Czar”, demonization of Wall Street “fat cats”, proposal of taxes specific to “the rich”, etc.)
- Fascists believe that economic classes are not capable of properly governing a nation, and that a merit-based aristocracy of experienced military persons must rule through regimenting a nation’s forces of production and securing the nation’s independence (here is where I would offer an edit to classical description of “fascism”: replace “military persons” with “politicians and bureaucrats” – supporting evidence: massive federal govt. intervention into healthcare, automotive, banking/financial services, etc. industries in the past 15 months).
So, while “fascism” has been classically slotted as a an “extreme-right” ideology, it is not difficult (if one is open-minded enough) to view this administration/Congress as having beliefs that align with fascism. This being said, the Obama regime may be more accurately described as a “corporatist” one rather than a “fascist” regime.

So where was Clinton the past eight years when the President (Bush) was being hung in effigy, burned, assasinated in a Hollywood movie, demonized by the press and anti-war nuts – seems that the democratic party called him a liar on a daily basis, etc. Clinton’s words would not ring hollow if he had made these comments during the Bush administration. To take this position now is just circling the wagons to protect the democrats in power. Sorry Bill – go back to chasing skirts.

Its like everything else in this country, all mistakes,shortfalls,auto take over, banking mistakes,rich tax breaks,free speech,retirements, all seems to fall in the lap of the taxpayers we seem to pay the bill for all. TAXES are a good thing if all pay there share, Ronald Reagan for no reason in eight years in office borrowed two trillion six hundred billion to keep the rich from paying there fair share of taxes. Now explain to me how we can run a government on borrowed money, someone has to pay it back and as long as the to big to fail
exist where are they going to get the money to bail them out, borrow it so the ordinary citizens are paying the rich tax shortfall, the big black hole Nova talks about is choking us to
Death. This country has to get used to living within there means, make taxes work, way to many loopholes.

I see, you get to call us names, call us extremist right wingers, but when we do THE EXACT SAME to you, you cry about stooping to personal insult.
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Where did I insult any poster on this blog by calling them names? Did I call you a name?

Oh, there’s no pretending about it. For over a year, the press that adores the lefties has labeled the Tea Parties ‘mostly white’ ‘angry mobs’ and we’ve seen how the movement has been labeled ‘terrorists’ ‘racist’ ‘nazis (or basically accuesed of nazism)’
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Nonsense. The accusation was the tea party people walked around with Nazi symbols – and they did – accusing the President of being a Nazi.
You’ve got it exactly backward.

Its a shame that Clinton wasn’t that concerned about the language that the liberals were using when Bush was the president. They were talking about assassination and war crime trials when they were protesting Bush’s administration. These days, the language of the Tea Party protesters is mild, compared to that. It’s true that there are some kooks, but those people are always around. Anarchists have always been around, and are NOT part of the Tea Party group. Clinton’s comments are the same left-wing hypocrisy that we’ve seen from others. They are attempting to paint the protesters as violent, all the while, they are ignoring the violence that has been perpetrated by the left AGAINST the protesters. Look at how the main stream media ignored the attack on the GOP official in Louisiana this past week.

Where did I insult any poster on this blog by calling them names? Did I call you a name?
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 5:07:42 PM
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I know, I know. You want us to be pleased, sit down, shut up and take it when you label us ‘right wing extremists.’
Do you really think calling us ‘right wing extremists’ is not a personal insult? Puhleease – listen to your dripping sanctimony when your own words are right in front of you. Look yourself in the mirror please! If you want to accuse me of extremism, then accuse yourself of the same!
I’m part of the tea party movement also, so all that you throw out there in names and misinformation, you’re throwing directly against me.

He lent his energies, and abilities to KILL PEOPLE and intended to kill many more.
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Ayers set it as a policy that he would do everything in his power to insure people were not killed or injured in his actions.
He set off many bombs without killing a single person. That was his intent by design.
He lent his abilities and energies to trying NOT to kill or injure people.
Quit lying.

This could all be avoided if we just had a government that went back to working as the founders expected it too.
Today we are closer to the U.S.S.R. than the U.S.A. when it comes to governing.

Billy Boy It was a Union Liberal that was “wishfully praying” for the death of Governor Christie not a conservative Duh

“Name one Right wing group that made a movie about assassinating Obama.”……… How bout I name one BRITISH filmmaker that made this movie? Put this in and it ruins your entire post. Now, excuse me while I go gather things that have taken place in Europe and attach them to republicans.
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The comment was British or US, it was left wing vs. right wing. And clearly, you won’t have us believe that Gabriel Range who directed Death of a President, about the assassination of President Bush (in some sort of hypothetical future at that time), and the investigation aftermath, was some sort of independent or conservative, would you? You wouldn’t strain our intelligence or reality or credulity that MUCH, would you?
“But in terms of the actual relative proportions, most of the demonstration footage in the film is from a real demonstration from the third anniversary of the invasion of Iraq or from a protest when Bush came to town on the 6th of January this year. I flew out on very short notice to Chicago in January to film President Bush make an address to the Economic Club of Chicago and we had no idea really at that point what to expect. We had no idea how significant the protests would be to mark his appearance in Chicago. It was a bitterly cold January day but there was a significant number of Chicagoans standing out to make their feelings known. Then on the 18th of March there was a huge protest in Chicago to coincide with the third anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, and at that point I actually had cast quite a few members of the cast so we actually had cast moving in and out of that protest.”
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The lefites on this board and that I know all universally adore Europe by the way, so the left wing in Europe is like your aunts and uncles in the ’cause’ of socialism.

Posted by: JGS | Apr 18, 2010 5:40:55 PM
McVeigh may not have been christian, but he most certainly was a right wing militia type.

The lefites on this board and that I know all universally adore Europe by the way
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You don’t know that anymore than you know which leftist organization put out the Bush assassination movie. Why? Because neither is true.

Where did I insult any poster on this blog by calling them names? …Did I call …anybody else here a right wing extremist?
No, I didn’t – you’re lying.
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No, you’re either lying, or you have an *extremely* short memory. Let me QUOTE YOU: “The examples of extremist right wing nonsense just keep on coming – extremist talk is not good particularly for the unstable.”
Now you can add calling me a ‘liar’ to your diatribe of insults of those of us here who are Republicans, conservatives or tea partiers.

“McVeigh may not have been christian, but he most certainly was a right wing militia type.”
Based on what evidence? Is it possilble, that maybe, just maybe militias are opposed to ALL government intrusion regardless of whether there is a “D” or an “R” following the name of the resident of the White House?
Of course you believe differently in order to support your ideological agenda.

As much as Clinton wants to be relevant. He is a has been.

The lefites on this board and that I know all universally adore Europe by the way
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You don’t know that anymore than you know which leftist organization put out the Bush assassination movie. Why? Because neither is true.
- I said you don’t know and you don’t -

Clinton: Rush Limbaugh Comment “Doesn’t Make Any Sense”
This coming from a guy that made these statements:
“It depends on what the meaning of the words ‘is’ is.” –Bill Clinton, during his 1998 grand jury testimony on the Monica Lewinsky affair
“It depends on how you define alone…” –Bill Clinton, in his grand jury testimony

This is typical liberalspeak from Clinton. Out of one side of his mouth he tries to shut up the opposition, forgeting about first amendment values, and on the other hand he tries to claim to support free speech.
It is just like Obama who slightly lowers taxes and then massively raises taxes on EVERYBODY and then he claims to have given people a tax cut. Typical left wing trick. Only the fools fall for it.

What he means is, if you are sitting somewhere, like say a church, and listening to the hateful vitriol of a racist anti-American preacher, don’t do what the “Weather Underground” did.

Well, he does have a hard time breaking 100 in bowling, cannot throw a baseball, cannot name any players from his “favorite” baseball team, and can speak to the price of arugula at Whole Foods. Where I come from Obama would be considered a ‘sissy-boy’…
Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 6:08:25 PM
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Yes, and your juvenile mind would contribute . ..
Name calling is juvenile. The Republican right on this blog goes juvenile name calling as a fall-back position. Cute.

since you have a such an aversion to “name calling” does this mean you will avoid the term “right-winger” and other terms
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Again, if you find ‘right wing’ or ‘right winger’ an insult or name calling then that reflects poorly on you and the right wing, not me.

Limbaugh hasn’t made any sense ever. A real stupido and ignoramus with a lot of ignorant admirers. Reckless nonsense is his stock in trade.

tierra…your fixation and obsession with Timothy McVeigh is getting to be a bit on the “hinky side”.
No sane person (left or right) would defend or even repeatedly invoke that monster’s name and his massacre. Yet, you do it again and again here in your posts. You hold up the “virtuous” Bill Ayers as a pillar of the far left wing community. Ayers was and still is human debris.

Bruce, your lack of sincerity is showing.
Name calling is juvenile, and it is the common recourse of the Republican right posters on this site – it’s sad and it reflects poorly on the right, poorly on the country – and poorly on you.
Live with it.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 6:32:31 PM
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“Name calling is juvenile” – which is why you shouldn’t do it! And you’re doing it when you say you’re not – which makes you disingenuous and dishonest to boot!!
For someone who claims to be able to spot name calling, and be above it, that’s ultimate hypocrisy. But I wouldn’t suspect that you’re much concerned with it, as your own words stare you in the face, and yet, you continue merrily on your way.
And that dear Tierra, has nothing whatsoever to do with the right, and everything to do with you, and the left, methinks. I’m sure you’ll ‘prove’ me wrong…LOL!

Bruce, your lack of sincerity is showing – again.
Name calling is juvenile, and it is the common recourse of the Republican right posters on this site – it’s sad and it reflects poorly on the right, poorly on the country – and poorly on you.
Live with it.

“Juvenile name calling is juvenile – and so are the minds that indulge in it.”
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 6:25:31 PM
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Tierra is a left wing name caller!

“Republican right posters on this site – it’s sad and it reflects poorly on the right, poorly on the country – and poorly on you. Live with it.”
Put simply, your responses are typically repetitive, childish, hypocritical, lacking in objectivity, pathetic, blindly partisan, void of data, clumsily judgmental, and boring. It really is a shame that the moderators (who will probably delete this post shortly after I click on the “Post Comment” button) do not restrain you more (perhaps they do). I say this not to promote censure (I have no problems sparring with Leftists), but to promote more intelligent and meaningful debate. It is extremely tiresome to wade through her comments/nonsense. Quite frankly, it is driving traffic away from this blog (this thread would be an exception).

“The examples of extremist right wing nonsense just keep on coming – extremist talk is not good particularly for the unstable.”
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Tierra – name calling.

The Republicans have taken our National character to an all time LOW!! If I hear one more Republican talking point. espsecially the one where they assume they are speaking for the ” American People “!! I’ll puke..The keep telling us what the American don’t want.. They just don’t get it.. The American People already told them we did not want them.. or else they would be in POWER!!!..Everytime i see Mitch and Bonehead.. Beavis and Bonehead I think of Brutus and Cassius..They betray us daily..

Mr. Clinton, let’s not forget that it is also the anniversary of the Waco massacre. I would say that violent actions beget violent actions more than rhetoric. Please respond Mr. Clinton… if Waco never happened would the Oklahoma City bombings never have happened?
April 19, 1993 – America watched 76 pp being burned alive on live tv. BTW, 3 of the 4 ATF agents killed that day were body guards for Bill Clinton when he was Governor of Arkansas. Thus,adding to the Clinton Body Count.

Most Republicans I know stopped listening to Limbaugh a long time ago. When they stopped caring what this pontificating drug-offender said, I knew he became irrelevant in public discourse.

Gregory please educate us on the wonders of the leftist ideology that made this country great.

1) Mr. Tapper: Why did you not at least attempt to get a response from Mr. Limbaugh?
Answer: You have no credibility…sheer propaganda….
2) Mr. Clinton: Where were you when there was both a book and film that suggested and/or fantasized about the assassination of George W Bush?
Answer: You are nothing but a fork-tongued demagogue, if not also a mere merry circus clown….

More significant in the Clinton interview was his preference towards a global, secular approach of volunteering. . . as though US individuals are not contributing enough through taxes or making a sufficient pledge serving through churches and other non-profit organizations.

To be clear, Rush Limbaugh is about the ONLY one making sense and sincerely analyzing the facts around here. There has been no violence growing out of the Tea Party gatherings except that brought there by those demonstrating sometimes violently AGAINST the tea party. None whatsoever! The facts are that the President has lost the support of the voters of this country. Our country is in the worst shape we have been in in over 50 years. And most of us are totally appalled at the direction the Administration and the Congress are leading us in!
We DO NOT want greater government interference in our lives, higher taxes, or greater government control of our free market system! We did not and still do not want this stupid healthcare system they’re trying to force on us! We don’t want to be forced to purchase healthcare insurance if we don’t think we need it, and we CERTAINLY don’t want government-run healthcare! We don’t want the higher taxes it will cause. We don’t want illegal aliens in this country to be granted some preferred status or granted immunity from the laws they broke to get here – and continue to break by remaining! And we want the government to stop taking over businesses like they did part of the auto industry!
By now we all know the President’s background on this; how he hates the free market system, how he loves the idea of redistributing the wealth of this country, how he would rather see the government in control of our lives, the total disrespect he has for any religious freedom in particular and our religious heritage, as well as the disdain he has for our Constitution! We do rightfully object to what he’s doing, and to the inappropriate and unwanted support he’s getting from this Democrat-run Congress! We simply don’t like what they’re doing. Does that mean people are willing to resort to violence to stop them? No! What it does mean is that we will take back our country in the 2010 elections and stop them from doing any more damage than they’ve already done. THAT is what the Tea Party movement is all about.
To be completely honest, I find what Bill Clinton said to be a veiled threat against the legal and appropriate exercise of the freedom of speech. I guess the only people who have the right to speak freely are those who want to call us ‘astro turf.’ Look, let’s face it. This is a lot more than mere political dissent. Political dissent is where two people disagree – or two partys. It’s not about what people are saying so much as it is about the horrible decisions and laws this administration and the Congress are forcing on us! This is real! This isn’t conversation or even political rhetoric. This is all about what they have done and are continuing to do to us!
What’s happening here is that the majority of people in this country are scared about the future, see that what our government is doing is wrong, and hate where we’re headed! We’re sounding the alarm and yelling “STOP!” at the top of our lungs, but those in power are refusing to listen! Why would you remain silent in that circumstance? How DARE you remain silent when thousands upon thousands are losing their homes, losing their jobs, and losing what small savings they had? If what this administration is doing to you is okay with you, then you have my prayers. But if not, then I would encourage you to speak out as loudly and as often as you can, and to support those candidates who will return this country to what we know it can and should be.

I guess Clinton didn’t want to address the whole letting Bin Laden go issue. What a moron.

One of Limbaugh’s points is that Clinton is giving cover to violence from either political extreme, by blaming peacefull political oposition for inciting violence that has yet to occur.
This is the point Clinton says is nonsensical. If you thought an ex-president could not act as an agent provocateur, then it doesn’t make sense. Decide for yourself.

“To be clear, Rush Limbaugh is about the ONLY one making sense and sincerely analyzing the facts around here.”….. Scary. The only thing Rush is into is making money inciting anger.

Sounds like a few people got a little ruffled when President Clinton mentioned volunteering, “as if the United States doesn’t do enough already.” We have 4500 children die every day around the world due to a lack of clean drinking water or starvation. Do you think we should do more?

Despite what the President said, Oklahoma City was in response to the government’s actions at the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, TX. Timothy McVeigh was at the Waco compound. He said that his actions were in response to it. Oklahoma City bombing took place on the second anniversary of the Waco attack.
McVeigh WAS NOT justified in his actions. The point of this post is that Clinton is attempting to rewrite history for some purpose or the other.

“The most salient point brought up by Limbaugh is this: why is there a connection drawn between terrorism and conservative ideology, where none exists, yet no connection drawn between Islamic fascism and terrorism, of which there are many examples?”…….. Liberal church shooting, TN, 2008, 2 dead. Other examples. Of course Islamic fascism can lead to terrorism. However, are ALL Muslims terrorists like so many cons like to suggest? No.

I used to listen to Ed Schultz (The Ed Show) when he was on radio while driving home from teaching night classes at the U. Texas at Brownsville. Sometimes I’d get so angry I’d have to pull over and calm down before it was safe for me to resume driving. Well, I get just as incensed listening to Rush sometimes and Hannity hasn’t said anything new in months (nor has Greta and O’Reilly won’t shut up long enough to let a guest answer a question or make a point, I have to switch channels – again).
But, regardless, the word “anger” IS real and that anger is directed at the government. If you work for them, you are part of the problem.

Per Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 5:01:12 PM:
- Fascists claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism (supporting evidence: demonization of private citizens who express dissent such as Rick Santelli, Glenn Beck, etc.)

So Pelosi calls the Tea Party goers “Nazis”, Eric Cantor’s office is shot at, two Republicans are severely beaten in New Orleans (for being Republican). Now Obama’s new lapdog Bill Clinton has been cut loose on conservative radio for “being inciteful”…The only one’s being “inciteful” are this administration and its is disgusting…

Posted by: progressive mama | Apr 18, 2010 8:58:45 PM
I appreciate your patient and rigorous posts.

So Pelosi calls the Tea Party goers “Nazis”
Posted by: Regular Guy | Apr 18, 2010 9:05:54 PM
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There’s your first lie – Pelosi pointed out Tea Party goers were carrying Nazi symbols and imagery. The Tea Party goers were actually the ones implying the President is a nazi with their signs. She knew that full well.
It’s you who have it wrong.

tierra how has leftist ideology contributed the core principals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

tierra how has leftist ideology contributed the core principals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 9:16:07 PM
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Define ‘leftist ideology’.

It has been easy for Fox, right wing radio and anti-government talk to cause unrest with their constant anti-Obama hate-filled ranting. Republicans have used fear mongering, hate mongering and anger mongering to win their elections. The trouble is republicans have stopped being truthful, honest or even making the effort to be truthful. Their win is always a win at the expense of the truth.
Posted by: Vicki | Apr 18, 2010 9:17:29 PM
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The good thing is that people can see through this charade – because its so obvious.

….and most Americans don’t think “it makes any sense!” And most Americans are Rational.

The accusation was the tea party people walked around with Nazi symbols – and they did – accusing the President of being a Nazi.
You’ve got it exactly backward.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 5:10:21 PM
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Exactly right. I have to say that I find all the disingenuousness about this rather telling in and of itself.
Another commenter seems to get the same way whenever I post something about race or race baiting and I always think of Lady MacBeth and that darned spot. Likely not fair… but the acrobatics on this type of thing is suggestive to me.

What people like you believe in nanny state entitlements, big government, soak the “rich”, throwing people into endless cycles of dependency, etc. Everything that is contrary to what built this country.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 9:31:14 PM
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You mean like how – for instance – Reagan and Bush ran up the dependency on debt bonds to run the country rather than actually collecting taxes to pay for their spending?
Do you mean the corporate welfare state where big corporations depend on government handouts to make bigger profits?
Sole-source contracting to Halliburton? Oil monopolies with Bush and the Saudis kissing each others cheeks to ‘soak the rich’?

Bill Clinton is a real work of art! Was it not under Clintons presidency that about 50 men women and children were “roasted and toasted to death”?? Remember Waco? Janet Reno? And their LIES and DEMONIZING of Koresh?? By claiming ( Tho being a nut admitedly)he was MOLESTING the children?? Which was a BLATANT lie!! If they wanted Koresh why kill all the rest? It was well known Koresh came into town a couple times a week! Why not simply have FBI agents pick him up? These are the ACTIONS the PEOPLE SHOULD FEAR of an ALL POWERFUL GOVERNMENT!! YOU could be NEXT! Wake-up people!!

Karen Grube..there is much in your 7:46 post that if you and I had a debate, I would embarass you thoroughly. But the most OBVIOUS part of your post shows that you have “robotized” by “fear” and “misinformation” about our government. Your fear is totally irrational and opposite of how you should be thinking if you understood whatRepublican/Conservative dogma has done to you. I watched the “old goat” Mitch McConell today look right into the camera and lie about Republicans new delay strategy on financial regulatory reform. And when he wasn’t lying, he claimed he didn’t know how to answer the questions. I guess that part didn’t surprise me. But hey…that is your leadership that is causing you to “fear irrationally”. Sound rules and regulations by government is the ONLY thing that will ever prortect the middle class. Too bad that more of you out there aren’t smart enough to understand that.

Typical leftist. Cornered with the truth of your destructive ideology and all you can do is point fingers at perceived errors of past administrations and make general comments. The fact is your ideology is not embraced by a majority of Americans. The fact is that millions of people through history have died or been enslaved your “compassionate” ideology. Your ideology is an ideology of failure and envy that is morally bankrupt. You and your kind are in the minority. Perhaps you should read up on all the leftist regimes that lay on the trash heap of history for a preview of where your god (Obama) is trying to take our nation.

Facist?? You know something like the Soviet Socialist Republic?? Or the German Socialist Republic?? No that is the LEFTIST domain!

So we have an ex-president that lectures others about violence that he assumes will occur, but we have a sitting president that has past associations with domestic terrorists who actually carried it out.
Lets hear some words of wisdom on that subject, Bill.

Yes, please tell us more you disgraced bottom feeding clown. Your Presidency was nothing more than a fashion parade driven by polls and the only real success can be tied to the balanced budget which happened under the Freshmen republicans. You naturally tooted the whistle on that choo choo even though you were only along for the ride. I guess we really will have to let Obama’s policies kill Americans through weak defense, non-existent jobs and mind numbing taxes before they wake up.

Facist??
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I think a Facist is someone who spends a bit too much on Facebook, right?
Duh…

progressive mama, yeah sure, the Founding Fathers pushed nanny state ideals and dependency on government as an ideal form of government. How about those endless cycles of dependency and the dumbing down of the sheeple? What a wonderful thing.

Isn’t nanny also a 2003 pill bill, and all the corporate welfare going on? Why, of course it’s not nanny if the supposed conservative side does it.

Your ideology is an ideology of failure and envy that is morally bankrupt.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 9:48:10 PM
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You reveal your fascism of mind in projecting your presumptions on me. I’m sure you understand.

tierra, I see that you don’t deny it. Must suck being so bitter at the world. What is it that you don’t have that you want the government to give to you?

tierra, I see that you don’t deny it. Must suck being so bitter at the world. What is it that you don’t have that you want the government to give to you?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 10:18:26 PM
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Yawn . .. .

progressive mama, can’t deal that cycles of dependency issue, ehh? Curious that you choose to cite the Declaration of Independence. Obama and his minions (people like you)want to strip those ideals from the fabric of nation. Most curious that you also quote, “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”. This is the cornerstone of the revolt against Obama and the Marxocrats. They govern without the consent of the majority of the people and come November the people will stop Obama’s efforts to destroy this nation.

Now we’re using Manson’s people in this argument. Love it. Hinkley is a democrat? Hinkley was mentally ill and wanted to impress Jody. You guys make everything up. Arguing policy and ideology is great. But nobody can argue with this made up BS anymore. Republicans have completely rejected any truth. BTW, I’m pretty sure that Caligula was a republican. Yup, this evil liberal is now saying Caligula was a republican. Therefore it’s truth. A new reality. I would be ashamed to have Caligula on my side. Pol Pot started out as a conservative too. Yeah, true story.

let’s not forgeet that every presidential assination since Joh Wilkes Boothe has been by a left wing lunatic.

The oldest game of all time — the blame game. No one wants to accept any wrong doing. No one wants to be a real man. This comes from a homosexual.

Perhaps Bill never said the crazies that were bashing Bush should tone it down because there’s never been great leftwing hate radio nor some station like Fox promoting the hate 24/7.

tierra what is that you need that you are waiting for from Obama?

Perhaps Bill never said the crazies that were bashing Bush should tone it down because there’s never been great leftwing hate radio nor some station like Fox promoting the hate 24/7.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 10:40:19 PM
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True isn’t it. It’s amazing the right wing gets away with their organized campaign of hate.

CD: Whatever! You deny that both Germany and the former USSR were Socialist states?/ You are older and wiser? And also decieveing your self in thinking so!

@ Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 10:27:29 PM
The Republican right is embarrassing . . .
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No,tierra, its the liberal left that is embarrassing… and disgusting.

Bell, this is for you. So you’ll learn how not to get played: As I noted here, the GOP strategy for reconciliation is pure hardball. Democrats want to pass a clean bill, so Republicans will make Dems vote down politically charged amendments, including one–introduced by Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)–to prohibit insurance companies for covering Viagra costs for rapists, and another–also introduced by Coburn–to fire one government employee each time the health care bill requires a new bureaucrat be hired.
Once the votes are cast, of course, they become fodder for attack ads come election season.

Sen. Tom Coburn drew ridicule last month for trying in vain to prohibit sex offenders from getting Viagra prescriptions under the new health care law.
But Coburn is now having the last laugh after the Congressional Research Service confirmed his assertions that sex offenders not in prison could get Viagra and other drugs treating erectile dysfunction under health plans subsidized by taxpayer dollars.
In a memo to the Oklahoma Republican, who is one of two doctors in the chamber, and provided to FoxNews.com, the CRS said there are no provisions in the new health care law “which would require health plans to limit the type of benefits that can be offered based on the plan beneficiary’s prior criminal convictions.”
“Additionally, there do not appear to be any provisions that would specifically restrict qualified health plans’ coverage of drugs prescribed to treat ED,” the memo read. April 6, 2010

The left perverts “everything”! TRUTH is aborant to them! Truth reveils their lies and deceptions! Even their men turn from what is “natural”! Or they enjoy those that do! Is it any wonder then that they would not know the differance between right and wrong? But rather WHAT THEY ARE MOST GUILTY of they PROJECT onto others! THINKING others must be even as THEY ARE!

tierra, explain to me, from a historical standpoint, how leftist ideology has benefited those unlucky enough to live under such such a regime?

Boy does this every look stupid. It appears ATF went into the Davidian property in huge numbers, but with no communications on site (no phone!), no ambulances, etc. A completely amateur job.
What a travesty.

Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 10:55:48 PM
psssst…. Abraham Lincoln wasn’t a founding father, which is what I was referencing. Read the whole thing again and try not to jump to false conclusions (this time I’ll put a parenthetical after the “they” so you can follow along)
“the Founding Fathers pushed nanny state ideals and dependency on government as an ideal form of government. How about those endless cycles of dependency and the dumbing down of the sheeple? What a wonderful thing.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 10:07:43 PM
Oh dear… you’re very confused. Its not the founding fathers who pushed a nanny state– its the Republicans who do. It IS true they [the founding fathers] didn’t do a darned thing about slavery , and they didn’t allow women to vote, so they did promote dependency and dumbing down in some regards– but they founded the country on the notion of liberty and justice; (“We hold these truths to be self-evident….”
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See? That wasn’t so tricky after all.
Of course, maybe it was for those for whom distortion and dishonesty are life force.

They govern without the consent of the majority of the people and come November the people will stop Obama’s efforts to destroy this nation.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 10:29:30 PM
Not true. Obama won the election versus his Republican opponent by a solid majority, both electoral and popular– and that wasn’t even contested by over half the nation. And while things look good for Republicans in 2010, they don’t for 2012; Obama wins every poll.
But good for you; you’re well versed in the silly right wing talking points. Fox News and the Koch brothers would be very proud

Liber: You are wrong about the “MEDIA” the main media TV,has been “BRAINWASHING ” Americans for over 40 years! If you like I can give you many examples! Try just this one! Remember the the ANTI_ WAR movement during NAIM?? Why did many that took part in it CALL FOR A COMMUNIST VICTORY and carry the COMMUNIST FLAG?? And BURN the American flag! And STILL the MEDIA called them ANTI_WAR?? I mean I could list TONS of such MEDIA LEFT_WING BIAS!

True isn’t it. It’s amazing the right wing gets away with their organized campaign of hate.
Posted by: tierra | Apr 18, 2010 10:44:17 PM
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Have you taken any classes at a university in the last few years? I had professors spreading hate against Bush when the class had absolutely nothing do with politics.

progressive mama, Obama lied about who he is (an obnoxious radical leftist). Had he run as himself, i.e., the person that occupies the WH now, he would not have been elected. Too bad that your so-called solid majority (52% – 48% is hardly a solid majority) did not do their homework and discover for themselves the Marxist that he is. Perhaps you should stop watching MSNBC and take a look at his daily poll numbers as they speak for how popular he and his agenda are. Incidentally, self-initiative, self-determination, liberty, small government, strong national defense, low taxes are not the purview of Republicans but the foundaton that our country was built upon. You really should travel to Cuba or Venezuela as they are epitomy of what leftist want in this country and ask the people there how they feel about their utopian existance. Face it, leftists have mo roots in our past. Leftist have not constructed/offered anything of value to our history. If anything, leftists are guilty of murdering and enslaving millions. Nor they offer any solutions today, rather they merely destroy. Let’s just keep on spending this country into oblivion because we really care about you. LMFAO. Tell me, what do you need that you desire the government to provide/procure for you?

How about those endless cycles of dependency and the dumbing down of the sheeple?
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Ah, you’re right, Der Opresso, or whatever, I didn’t comment specifically on this. I find it hard to talk seriously about endless cycles of dependency with those who parrot talking points from Fox “News” channel and the “conservative” blogosphere (as if they were dependent on them) and fight to support the status quo to benefit Republican sugar daddy industries (as if they were dependent on them.)
If I were to buy into utopian crap, mine would involve no coercive hierarchies of any kind — big government, big business, big religion, big military-industrial complex and so on– and certainly no unholy alliances between government and commerce. I don’t believe those who take on big government while wholly ignoring other coercive hierarchies have any credibility on the subject of either dependencies or liberty. When people speak of the pure free market and laissez faire commerce as being the path to liberty with total disregard for the inequities associated with such an arrangement and they pretend liberty and equal opportunity or equal rights can’t be pursued together, I see the red herrings and the flaws. I see people who have been spoonfed baloney and told it was nourishing.
Now, say, you aren’t one who pretends to be an American conservative “libertarian” but rather you’re a neocon or a member of the socially conservative religious right– well, then we’re talking big religion and big military-industrial complex as coercive hierarchies, and there are still serious issues when it comes to true liberty, imho.
As for dumbing down, liberals and progressives tend to have higher IQ’s on average, at least according to recent studies. I think the party that tends to ignore science and considers being well educated elitist doesn’t have a heck of a lot of credibility when it comes to accusing the left of dumbing it down.

Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 11:31:39 PM
Oh come on tjp; she got you fair and square. You read into it what you wanted and you were wrong . ..

So Tom that means all professors had some organized effort going to undermine Bush?
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 11:36:57 PM
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Some professors’ opinion of Bush’s policies is nothing compared with 24 hour ‘news’ channels and radio shows dedicated to spewing hate against the President and the Democrat.
No wonder half the posters on there don’t know fact from right wing blog nonsense.

tierra – You left out the fact the republican lawmakers have upped the rhetoric since Obama as well.

secondlook you and leftists everywhere are ones that need help. You and your ilk keep trying to sell your garbage but nobody is buying it. Hell even old school Democrats see the writing on the wall. The Dems have gone from a party that stood for the common man to a party of slavery of the massess vis-a-vis dependency programs. The Left brings nothing of value to the table except misery for all.

secondlook, goodnews me. I apologize for not being in lockstep with your compassionate world view. Point out a “blanket insult”. I challenge you.

“Tell me, what do you need that you desire the government to provide/procure for you?”
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The government is the arbitrator and protector of our citizens.

Where were these insulting fools when Bush managed to expand government the most in my lifetime,and he did that massive pill bill? And now they’re dumb enough to think putting them all back in charge will be different. This is like “vote for me, I’m changed now!” Hell, now McCain’s saying he’s not a maverick. This is whacked.

secondlook you obviously miss the point about the tea party revolt. People of all stripes have had it with government as usual. So keep on writing about Bush, he did what he did. Going forward, things will be different.

De – I’m a stay at home centrist that had an family income of half a mil. last year. Anything left of Palin ignorance is extreme to you people anymore. I get it, I can assure you. The dems tax and spend. The cons spend and stick our grandkid’s with the bill. Reagan would cry if he listened to you people anymore. Oh, and BTW. I’m now a moderate democrat. I’ll never vote for this ignorance and hate.
Posted by: secondlook | Apr 18, 2010 11:51:12 PM
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bravo! I think more and more people will see it this way . . .

Posted by: tjp612 | Apr 18, 2010 11:31:39 PM
When one cherry picks (as you did) and jumps to false conclusions (as you did) one is often incorrect (as you were).
An honest person, says, oops sorry. Your grammar may have been a little imperfect — one could parse and talk about what they refers back to technically even though in full context your meaning is obvious–but I was wrong and I’m a big enough person to admit it and move on.
A disingenuous person continues to clip comments in a way that allows one to distort out of context and accuses the person they’re attempting to misquote and demean of being a weasel.
No skin off me. I can see you– clearly. I’m glad I’m not like you.
Other than that, again, Lincoln wasn’t a founding father. He was a great president– very great. And he was shot by an avenging Confederate sympathizer. A wackadoodle.
I don’t like extremist wackadoodles.
Obviously.

“We ought to remember after Oklahoma City, we learned something about the difference in disagreement and demonization.”
Well Mr. President if you mean “we” as in yourself and Janet Reno then I guess you are 100% correct. It only took Ruby Ridge, Waco, TX and sadly Oklahoma City to get there.
Very sad to say the very least…which you have sir.

“Point out one historical thing, anything, that leftist ideology has brought to the table to benefit America”
Social safety nets like Medicare and Social Security; Better health and environmental protections; Protections against various forms of discrimination; Safety regulations; Educational programs…..Oh, did you want need just one?

What is it that you want your government to do for you?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | Apr 18, 2010 11:56:58 PM
Oh sheesh. I forgot to answer the question. Easy:
Become increasingly more transparent.
Break up the unholy alliance with big business and special interests.
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan as quickly and responsbily as possible.
Regulate big business responsibly; good reasonable regulation is necessary.
Stop raiding Medicare and Social Security!
Provide for a strong national defense.
End No Child Left Behind– and get behind more meaningful education reform driven locally.
Add a public option to the insurance exchanges– and untie health insurance benefits from employment.
Promote energy independence and pursue/invest resources in both infrastructure and renewable energy sources and technologies.
High speed rail!! (I love high speed rail.)
How about you? Nothing at all? (Sure, wink, nod.)

I’d personally love for my government to drop the stupid ideology war and fix everything in a pragmatic way. I know, unrealistic. I want balance, and to save the middle class. Franly I think both parties rule by corporatism. The only difference is the rhetoric. Both spend too much, and neither wants to cut a thing. Dems will have to cut some of the entitlement at some point. I even get the right’s argument about too much federal government. Only then they lie, insult, and basically behave like cold hearted immature fools like insulting all poor people as being lazy, and I lose all ability to care if they had a point. Not to mention I’m bored with the words Acorn, Barney . . .

Mr. Clinton should listen to Rush Limbaugh before commenting…

Does this include forcing banks to loan to underachievers with bad credit under threat of penalties, audits, etc. because owning a home is “right”
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Date: Monday, July 1 2002
President Bush announced an Administration effort to increase home ownership rates among African Americans and Hispanics by 5.5 million by 2010.
The plan would provide down payment assistance to 40,000 minority homebuyers each year . ..
Bush’s plan would be closely tied to some $440 million in minority loan programs offered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. President Bush commended Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s efforts . . .

tierra and your point is what? Bush was a fool for falling into the Community Reinvestment Act trap.

progressive mama, secondlook and skip how exactly did leftist ideology contribute to the things/events that you list?

Stop raiding Medicare and Social Security!
-I agree, with these two being $42 Trillion in the hole it doesn’t make sense to write more IOU’s to the Treasury. I suspect you have another barrel of money to raid. Do tell?
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We’re going to use all the money George Bush and the Republicans saved up for a rainy day.

tierra You are right on that one!
Too bad you didn’t use past tense.
President Obama Signs Law Raising Public Debt Limit from $12.4 Trillion to $14.3 Trillion
February 12, 2010 3:21 PM

“Bush was a fool for falling into the Community Reinvestment Act trap”
The often maligned CRA which has become a bogeyman for the right. Few however care to acknowledge what the CRA really did; it forced banks to stop being lazy and evaluate a person’s credit worthiness individually on merits instead of delineating potential borrowers on a map. It had nothing to do with lowering banks lending standards, it enforced those lending standards fairly.
Posted by: Skip | Apr 19, 2010 1:05:24 AM
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Thank you for clarifying that Skip. The right wing ‘facts’ are really so often skanky.