Obama Administration Considering Range of Options Regarding Arizona Immigration Law — Including Suing to Block It

The law is entirely legal and the state of Arizona is well within it’s rights to enforce it. Again O’bama is out of line, we’ve been waiting for a long time for the Federal government to do something about it. Illegal is illegal, and the Federal laws should have been enforced a long time ago. It is totally unfair that illegals should trump legal immigrants, and I don’t think that the illegals have anything to do with making the laws in the United States.

I am a U.S. Citizen with brown skin. I will now be pulled over by police if I happen to be in a State in my own country, for no other reason than I may look illegal. Please tell me how this is fair.

According to a Rasmussen poll, 70% of Arizona voters approve of the bill. States have a right to protect their borders since the federal government has been “unwilling” to do their job. Crime is out of control in Arizona with most of it coming from the gang wars spilling across from Mexico. *Oh, and by the way, I am an American with brown skin and I am not at all threatened by this law.

I am part hispanic. I was born in the US. If Obama would protect our borders this would not have happened. IMO, being pulled over is a small price to pay for making sure illegals go home. They are taking our jobs, using our tax money and maybe doing other things they shouldn’t. One thing for sure ..if they are not a supposed to be here they need to go home. BTW, Bush was no better at protecting our Borders.

Allen Sticker, the law is not “entirely legal.” In fact, the law is constitutionally vague. How do you determine an illegal immigrant? If you see him crossing the border, fine. If he is downtown, its not clear. The courts, even this Supreme Court, will find the law violates the 4th Amendment and federal preemption. Politically, the fastest growing population will be solidly Democratic. Crazy birther Republicans just handed the dems a gift.

If Obama would protect our borders this would not have happened.
Lynn | Apr 24, 2010 10:58:24 PM
The almost $2 billion increase in funding to do exactly that wasn’t enough for you? The Obama administration (for better or worse) is doing more than the past several to interdict and deport illegal immigrants (including ticking off the far left by recently instituting deportation minimum quotas for federal immigration officials). But that’s just documented reality.

first off all i would like to start by saying illegals do not take the your jobs they take the jobs we americans are to lazy to do do you bust your #### for 5.50 an hour just to have a little something a night and to get by day day from sweat thats has no value or cent to there name i thank the lord i was born and raised here but i do not like the fact that people make tornados in a freAKn glass of water, but you know in the end god will judge everyone and what we did and do here on earth thats the way i feel i say say this i speak my mind i dont take sides but what arizona is doing is freakn wrong and yea i understand that people who are illegal come to make a change ,i dont know where they would or how they would be stealing your tax dollars if they cant even get help from the goverment that cant recieve medical assistance or eat from your tax money they live and eat form the freakn money they make bustn there #### off just so we the americans can be happy..for for those who say immagrants need to go back home look up history who was really illegal first..? not hard to figure out stop the wars stop the discrimnation dtop!!!!all this crap and freakn get along.oh and my favorite money is a day without a mexican. this is all the presidents fault along with the congress.

I am a full blood mexican born overseas to a serviceman dad who fought in 2 wars.I can care less about getting profiled or stopped if it will ease my taxes and crime in my neighborhood. How come it is the liberals who are worried about what may inconvenience me, ask the majority of mex-amer and they will tell you the same things .If you come to the U.S there are legal ways this other stuff is all crap and I’m tired of all the close my eyes and let them go attitudes.I’m tired of supporting people that haven’t earned the right to be here.Hooray for Arizona send them all to Liberal California.Check me check my friends check us all..AMEN!!!

It is really frightening to me to read posts by those who claim to have “brown skin” being willing to be pulled over to protect our borders? I wonder if they will feel the same way once they have actually been inconvenienced and discriminated against due to the color of their skin. I am fair-skinned and am deeply offended by this “law”. And for those claiming that illegal immigrants are the reason they are unemployed, give me a break. I actually have the privilege to work with migrant farmers in my home state of Washington for one week every summer. Not very hard to get a job picking berries despite the color of your skin. The farmers will hire you, however, there are not many legal citizens willing to do the back-breaking work that these immigrants are doing. Without them, you would be unable to buy your fresh fruits and vegetables and many other things that we take for granted. If you are telling me that you have applied for all the berry picking(Washington), toilet cleaning, dishwashing, landscaping and ditch digging jobs in your area and have come up short…well, then maybe you would have a case. My guess is you haven’t.

It is very sad to see how much ignorance there is on this page and in the world today…For all of you ignorant people who feel that Mexicans should go back from where they came from educate yourselves and understand that we did not cross the border it crossed us…we cannot go back where we came from because this is where our roots are…educate yourselves and understand that if anything you are the immigrants…and I don’t understand how so many people complain about “the Mexicans” being a burden on the U.S why don’t you complain abou all the positive contribution we make to the U.S. because face it leaving all ignorance and predujice aside the U.S. cannot function without “THE MEXICAN”.

I get asked to identify myself when I get pulled over for a traffic violation. The first step to any investigation is to identify the subject.
Also how can you enforce immigration law without profiling? If it can be done without profiling then why haven’t they done so yet?
I’m tierd of questions, I want answers WTG Arizona….

Setting aside for now the fact that this kind of law is EXACTLY the same slippery slope that the Germans slid down (first Jews had to carry identification papers, then it was required that they wear arm bands, which was followed by permanent tattoos, and we all remember the final solution), I suspect that all the blue-eyed blonds in AZ think this law won’t affect them personally. But, as a pale, blue-eyed blond who got tagged to be searched every time she flew after 9/11, I will point out that the only way officials can avoid being charged with racial profiling, is by hassling as many people who DON’T fit the profile as they do those who DO fit it. Life just got a lot harder for a lot of people who didn’t see it coming in AZ…

So we don’t enforce immigration law because we fear exercising authority will lead us to genocide?
Does that slippery slope ever lead to law and order? Is that the slope some people are afraid of?

The borders that lighter people erect in order to separate themselves from several shades of brownish people aren’t new in the Americas. They used to call those lands set aside for brown people “reservations.” Only back when reservations were first formed, they called brown people “red,” or “dusky.”
The racial profiling targets the phenotype of Indigenous people. These people aren’t Spanish. They’re Native Americans. At most, they’re mixed, like the majority of other Native Americans. Sometimes that mix was forced or coerced; other times it was the result of love. In either case, they’re still Native Americans. This is a very old story. We know who the bad-guys are, because the bad guys keep apologizing in really passive-aggressive ways. (Like rapists saying they’re sorry–they didn’t mean to, but “she was asking for it!!”)
The brown people in the Southwest have TENS of THOUSANDS of years of history there, and a connection with that land that non-indigenous people cannot even dream of having. If white people weren’t jealous of that connection between Indigenous people, their cultures and the land, then whites wouldn’t have been “playing Indian” for the last couple hundred years. It’s been going on since long before President Taft joined the “Improved Order of the Red Men.” We’ve see it in Hollywood westerns, movies like Avatar, New Age “shamans” and every Boy Scout troop in America.
In addition, there is no way that 400 years of ILLEGAL occupation of North America can “earn” someone the “right” to live on this continent–or to claim Arizona as theirs. It’s not their “right,” it’s just theft. Furthermore, once you’ve stolen something, you can never make your ownership of that thing morally right. Never. There is no rationalizing it. Even more, this country has a law against the purchase of stolen property. Cognitive dissonance much? It doesn’t matter how hard you worked to get the money to pay for “your property.” Everyone knows this land is stolen. All of it. There’s no fancy twists of language that can EVER make that right.
Morally speaking, brown people’s rights to be in the U.S. freely, shouldn’t have to be authenticated by a bunch of newcomers who think that money & military power is what “earns” a “right” to “immigrate” “legally.” That’s just theft.
This whole thing is nothing more than the continuing injustice of colonialism. The new law only protects the colonists/corporations (they’re almost the same entity these days), and the small-minded people who never figured out that history books are full of lies.

Okay, Howard – can you site some historical precedents where the targeting of a large group of people based on their race or religion has NOT lead to disastrous results? There are plenty of examples where it HAS – besides the Nazis, there’s Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq, Palestinians and Israelis, Irish Catholics and Protestants, Tutsis and Hutu in Rwanda, Turks and Armenians, Arabs and Africans in Sudan. And these are just a few examples from recent history. If you could give me some examples where things worked out well when groups were targeted, that might help me to be less paranoid about this.

America has no owner, so to speak everyone in America migrated from somewhere whether it be Europe, Africa or Mexico it all boils down to the same thing….Everyone is speaking how the Mexicans are taking the jobs but no-one can see pass their nose bridges and realized that illegal immigrants are also boosting the economy. They shop at the grocery stores, Wal mart just to name a few.They rent apartments, they buy food, cars and pay utilities without the extra income, America feel as though they suffered a traumatic economic blow remove the illegal immigrants and watch what happens….Companies will go bankrupt and the jobs everyone holds, citizens included will crumble along with the illegal going back to their country….The economy will go along with it, South. I feel the Mexicans are being unfairly treated you have many of them who are U.S citizens but just because they looked a certain way will be harassed as well, which is ridiculous and inhuman. You have some U.S. citizens who are a menace to their own society, the “whites who eat each other like cannibles and commit the most heinous crimes ever. Lets not leave out the “black Americans” who eat up billions of dollars on Welfare and their laziness would not find work because their idea of working is lifting the ” marijuana joint” of the coffee table and putting it in their mouths. Leave the illegal immigrants alone and find away to help them, they are here lets not spend more tax dollars deporting them but make them pay and put money int othe economy….”Keen Observer”

Godwin’s Law.
Learn to make a point without having to drag Hitler into it, for your sake and ours.

I’m an Arizonan. You cannot legislate morality. The right thing is for people to be law-abiding citizens, to obey, honor and sustain the law. Because people have CHOSEN not to do so, you are raising a fuss at those who would try to restore some boundaries in our state (yes, Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the WORLD due to illegal drug trade from MEXICO!!!!!) Boundaries are NOT bad. We are not RACIST. My daughters are part hispanic — I love them. I feel bad for those who live in Mexico and have a rough time. I understand their plight. HOWEVER, if we are not going to enforce our laws then do away with them, open the border, and let’s let everyone be an American. If NOT, then we have to have some way to enforce laws. Our police officers are NOT Nazis. Stop fearing the police — I feel like we’re back in the 60′s where all authority is BAD. Are you kidding me? THINK a minute what you are saying… People need to do what they want to do when they want to do it. Since some in authority abuse it, NO ONE IN AUTHORITY IS GOOD SO DO AWAY WITH AUTHORITY. When does it end, people. Till there are no parental controls, no legal controls, til anarchy reigns as the law of the land? Honestly, we need to decide as a people whether we still believe in laws. THEY CHOSE TO COME HERE. Be grateful for the time you’ve had, and if you want to keep taking the risk, so be it, but I don’t feel sorry for you if you get caught. You are not supposed to be here.

Erik -
There are no issues to address. You spit out a phrase like “War on the brown people” – but in fact no such war exists. No one says brown people cannot come here, the law merely says they must do so legally.
As far as businesses hiring illegals goes, a law was passed in 2008 which covers it. Most of wish it were enforced vigorously.
I assume you aren’t trying to raise a family in a border region of Arizona? Until you have, you might want to temper your references to war. Because the real war is being waged by the criminals that thrive off of the illegal traffic. And it is being waged against US.

This whole La Raza, nativist shtick is ridiculous! First they steal the “we didn’t cross the border the border crossed us” thing from Malcolm X and then, I believe that the indigenous people were conquered by the Spanish, who were Europeans, which makes you descendants of Europeans, just like Americans, not Aztecs or Mayans. Also, I think we still have the receipt for when we BOUGHT the part of the U.S. you claim to still have rights to. Read a history book and stop making it up to suit your failed agenda of amnesty. I encourage ANYONE, from anywhere to immigrate to the U.S. If you sneak across the border, you’re illegal. Its just that simple and there is no rhetoric or nazi fear mongering that can change that basic fact.

This law is nothing more than an attempt to finally purge people of color from Arizona. Governor Brewer could not adequately explain the very bill she signed into law just minutes ago at her bizarre press conference. The governor’s remark was stunning, she said she carefully think about this legislation and that her decision to support it did not come lightly! Uh!
This bill will make law enforcement job ten times harder because it already obliterate any trust between law enforcement and the minority communities. Anyone with commonsense reading this bill would never sign it into law. This entire situation highlight the importance of electing bright, intelligent people with commonsense to serve. Individuals who are mindful of how their decisions, good or bad, impact society especially the least among us.
Over the pay 10 years, there is a frightening patter with the opposition part of no. They keep electing dunce and individuals with crazy views and ideas. What is even crazier, is the fact that some people keep rewarding their nasty behavior by constantly voting Republican. To those people I have one question: what have republicans done for America over the last 25years??

” we did not cross the border it crossed us…we cannot go back where we came from because this is where our roots are…educate yourselves” It is you that needs to be educated. If your roots are here you would not be an illigal. And for those who say jobs aren’t being taken from Americans .. Get real! Illigals can work here for less than we can afford to. The money earned is sent home to their family where the cost of living is much less. America is, as far as I can tell, the only country that allows people to come here without a visa and expect the rights of citizens. In fact in many/most other countries these people would be in jail for illigal entry like those three in Iran.

I can’t tell you how many times the cops have pulled me over and I had to prove who I was, showing my driver’s license. My lights weren’t on, no sticker on license plate, checking to see if kids have seat belts,turning from the wrong lane, etc. Have I been profiled as a woman? Who knows? But my psyche came through unscathed!

What brought us to this point, what brought Arizona to the point of feeling it had to take desperate measures, is Washington’s absolute refusal to enforce immigration laws and to secure the border — for the past two decades.
So place the blame where it belongs: on the presidents that have for 20 years refused to do their jobs of enforcing immigration laws. Other states, in desperation, will surely follow Arizona’s example. What did the federal government expect the states to do when it did nothing to prevent the problem from arising, and growing?

MAKES A LOT OF SENSE – GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ENFORCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, BUT WILL TRY TO BLOCK ARIZONA FROM TRYING TO PROTECT ITS OWN STATE. ANY ILLEGAL SHOULD BE SENT BACK. PERIOD – END OF STORY. WHAT RIGHT DOES ANYONE HAVE TO GIVE EXCUSES FOR ACCEPTING ILLEGALS INTO THIS COUNTRY. WHAT REALLY IS LAUGHABLE IS NOW OBAMA IS NOW BEING CALLED A RACIST. TALK ABOUT BS BEING EXCHANGED WITH BS. THE SOONER WE GET THESE CLOWNS OUT OF WASHINGTON, THE BETTER.

If this problem was dealt with before, California and other states might not be going belly up and we also would not be dealing with Obama Care – already a disaster. One in very nine hospitals to close, not enough physicians, taxes to skyrocket, seniors getting screwed AND….. INFERIOR CARE AND RATIONING WAITING FOR US SUCKERS!!!

You are giving your cops the right to challenge people for no particular reason anywhere they decide with no real established basis and arrest them if they left their wallet at home.
Posted by: Erik Reppen
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What lunacy. Those same cops have already been tasked with patrolling traffic. A major source of revenue. I carry current registration and POI in the glove box of 3 vehicles. (required for state inspection)
VIN ???
A phone in my pocket (who leaves home without that?) with numbers for brothers, sisters, daughters, wife, friends, etc. (yery first entry is ICE, In Case of Emergency)
There are numerous ways to identify one’s self and it doesn’t take hours, certainly not days.
So, make it a crime for law enforcement to speak to a brown skinned, black haired person. In the state of Arizona.
Brilliant.

If you want more people to support this law, please remind us about all the instances where targeting a group of people based on race or religion has ended up making the place where it occurred a better place to live. I’ve already sited a number of occasions – Rwanda, Ireland, Sudan, Iraq, etc – where it has lead to disaster. All I’m asking for is the historical record of places where this kind of plan has worked before. Since there is plenty of data suggesting this will lead to abuse and suffering, I just want the data about the places where targeting a group of people worked out well.
Liberals tend to be people who form our opinions because of the underlying facts, things that have been proven. Show us that this has lead to great results at some time in history, and we’ll be much less likely to castigate you about this.
I do understand feeling scared of people who are here illegally. They are often poor, and being impoverished increases the number of reasons a person might commit a violent crime dramatically. But unless you can show me instances where this type of purging of a people led to good results, the answer has to be to figure out how to keep people from getting in illegally in the first place.

Since there is plenty of data suggesting this will lead to abuse and suffering
Posted by: KathyG
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Oh, please!
What data?
What abuse?
What suffering?

Here is a fact you, as a liberal, can beleive in KathyG.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan (A REPUBLICAN) on November 6, 1986) It granted AMNESTY to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982
THINGS HAVE DETERIORATED SINCE THEN!

For those of you who are concerned about the AZ law – when was the last time you were in Mexico? I was there last week and was checked by the US Border patrol right before entering Mexico, twice by Mexican authorities on my way to my destination. I was asked for my passport and visa during those two times and once I also had to prove ownership of my car.
On my way back I was stopped by the Mexican Military, again I had to show my visa and passport. At the border I was again stopped by the US Border patrol at the entry point and again about 10 miles into AZ by the US Border patrol.
I feel that both countries have the right to see who is in their country. By the way I am a 58 year old white male, so don’t start complaining about being profiled unless you are stopped more than 3 times a day!

Pain and suffering, please. Unless you’re talking about that you’ll find in court dockets in southern border states. That is pretty well documented.

Everybody understands that the invasions of illegals is condoned and encouraged by government and industry, right? Don’t expect this AZ law to be anything more than pandering. John McCain is Exhibit A.
The feds will not allow this to be enforced. It might encourage other states to follow suit and defend the integrity of our national borders as well. That is unacceptable to the powers that be and counterproductive to their agenda.

I have a question more than a comment. After watching this mornings This Week and the discussion on border security and the costs involved I have a question. Why are so many of our military bases located not on the borders, but in the mid-sections of the country or on the coasts? This may have been prudent placement in years past, but not in todays world.

Re “Does any lib actually know what inductive and deductive reasoning is?” Hey, do you actually think that many professors would teach that to their students? Come on – if students were to became proficient in the various methods of reasoning, IT WOULD BLOW HOLES IN LIB PROFESSORS LINE OF BS (THAT IS NOT BS OF SCIENCE)!!!

I am getting tired of hearing people like George Will say that Arizona has a right to protect its border. Look, nobody is arguing Arizona’a right to protect its border. It is the method by which it is doing it that is a real slap in the face to American Latinos. If George Will goes to Arizona, there is now way he will be confused with an illegal immigrant. That is why he does not have a problem with it. If I go to Arizona (I’m an olive-skinned Latino)all they need is to suspect that I am an illegal alien and they can ask me for “papers” This is no different than Hitler’s policy in Poland. If they really want to stop illegal immigration, all they have to do is trace all the fake social security numbers that don’t match with the government’s data base. This way you don’t insult the citizens who founded Arizona more than 200 years ago.

How many people know that Cesar Chavez led protest marches to the border to protest the lack of immigration enforcement? He felt the number of illegal immigrants in the country were hurting the Hispanic citizens because wages were being suppressed?
Hispanic citizens have the same interest as all citizens. Their taxes are higher because of illegal immigration. Their waits at the emergency rooms are longer, their neighborhoods are those primarily being intimidated by illegal alien gangs, their jobs in construction are threatened with lower wages.

Why don’t you tell us about inductive and deductive reasoning Jimbo. Does it have something to do with planting your hands firmly over your ears and screaming “I can’t hear youuuu!?”
Look, it comes down to this. If you want people checked without any established grounds for suspicion, then the only way to make this law not racist is to insist that everybody get checked at regular intervals. Put checkpoints on your highways, at your mass transit stations, at county lines and state borders and run checks on everybody for non-trivial purchases of goods or services. Any time people want to move or buy something significant, you check ‘em.
What, you don’t like being stopped and eyeballed by authority figures for no good reason? Third generation immigrants from Lebanon getting hassled over the color of their skin don’t like it either.

Eric – like the poster from Texas said, when he goes to Mexico, he gets stopped two or three times “EACH WAY” – AND HE IS A WHITE GUY!! Does that mean that he is being racially profiled??

Eric, outside of the border checks, others are at random. When I cross into Canada, if the border guard does like my answers, he/she will wave me over for a complete inspection. I get waved over a lot because I am a single man and carry a lot of sports equipment. I have been told this. They want to know more. Does this mean that I am being “Profiled”? At the Windsor border it used to be if you said that you were born in DEtroit, unstead of deTROIT they would pull you over because DE troit was the southern pronounciation.
I have been against a national ID card, but – looks like maybe now is the time.

I applaud Governor Brewer for her actions. The new law is the exact law that exists now for federal enforcement. She has requested assistance from Obama FIVE times and was ignored while Napolitano crowed the “Southern border was secure”. The ONLY problem I have with the law is the time it will take to implement it as most of the illegal population in Arizona will just head north and be the problem of other states. I’m TIRED of hearing the term “racist” about enforcing the law. Isn’t the term HISPANIC CAUCUS racist? Funny how Mexicans flee the corruption and inefficiency of Mexico to come to America and vote for any idiot with a Latino name.

I don’t understand why Obama and Calderon can’t negotiate a deal. Obama agrees to take in 30 million illegal Mexicans and in exchange Calderon agrees to sells all its oil and gas to Obama for One Peso per Barrel. That’s fair, don’t you think?

if AZ really wanted this to be about immigration then all they need to do is replace “reasonably suspicious” of being illegal to ALL AZ citizens MUST carry proof of citizenship when pulled over. NO EXCEPTIONS.
wait for it….wait for it….
.i can just hear the conservatives crying about their constitutional rights about having to show ID for citizenship but it is alright for the Mexican Americans to produce ID but not for them…….

Afterall Amerca is considered the land of the free. I believe that the illegal immigrants that commits any sort of crime needs to be deported. For those who has been living here after a period of years without getting in trouble with the law and is trying to provide for their families should be able to recieve citizenhip rights without long processes. Canada has their laws that if you even have a DUI you’re not able to cross their border. Thats the way it should be with illegal immigrants.

Erik,
I’m the white guy JIMBO mentioned. No they don’t stop everybody! That is my point. As of April 1st Mexico now requires all US citizens to have their passport with them. Am I being profiled? Absolutely, the “darker skinned people” where waved through and went their merry way and they could have been from Argentina, Guadalajara, Columbia or Chile. But since I’m a white guy they stopped me, inspected my car, made sure I have the proper ID and I am not bringing more than $75 worth of stuff per person across the border. This stop by the way is random AND selective by the agents. Do I care? No, because Mexico just like the USA has a right to know who is in their country. I am polite, try my very bad Spanish, give them the documents they want and appreciate that they are trying to control their country. Just as I carry a driver’s license when I drive in AZ (not Texas BTW) and when stopped I have to show my license and registration. If the “oppression” is so bad maybe those who are not here legally will go someplace else to relieve all the “pressure” that those of us here legally have to put up with on a daily basis because of them.
I as most Americans take pride in those wanting to legally entering our country, just as my son-in-law from Chile did several years ago. He would be one of the first to tell you that you either need to come here legally or face the consequences.

I was born and raised in the USA and I am Latino. I am 2nd generation and speak perfect English and I am college educated; as are all of my siblings. Yes, we speak Spanish, since our parents were both born in Mexico. I am proud of that fact. Its great to be bilingual.
My father believed in the American Dream and he achieved it We have inherited his love for this country and are proud to be American’s and many of us have served in the armed services. We also vote religiously.
In all honesty I have experienced racism throughout this country, however, few states that I have lived in are as racist as Arizona.
As an American I will never show “papers” to prove my citizenship. That is my birthright as an American citizen. This is the birthright we all share regardless of race or culture. Will the police ask Anglos for “papers”? They could be from Canada or be Europeans. I doubt it.
The solution is complex and should not include draconian and unconstitutional methods that will likely be struck down by the courts. These measures place all Americans at risk. The government already is deep into our lives. The irony is that these measures are supported by the same people that will tell you that government is too big and too powerful. I guess it is only when you feel the pinch and not when somone else does. Hypocites!!!

the point is, who is likely to be stopped and asked for papers? Mr. Average White Guy or Jorge Latino? And on what basis is the stop to be made?
If I have a darker than average complexion and black hair and wear “certain clothes” (whatever that stereotype is) I am more likely to be asked for ID than not – but what was the trigger for the stop? What judgment was brought to bear for the request to show papers?
In a free society being stopped to produce papers is the antithesis of a free society. Whether I am OK with the request is immaterial; my Constitutional rights are being abridged by the demand. I fyou don’t understand that go read the Bill of Rights.

@ R1962
Hear Hear!
Speak on it!

What do you get when you cross Fascism with Racism? Arizona.

Agree with Daniel. I have relatives in Mexico and also think legal Mexican Americans in Texas (that’s about 30-40% of us) are no different than anyone else. Illegal aliens are not the same; the trouble is all the drug gangs. These people killed over 1,000 persons in Juarez this year alone. Do you want them here? We increased legal immigration and can do it again if need be. What cannot be permitted is illegal immigration; vicious thugs use that route to kill Americans, sell drugs to American children, and then return to Mexico to kill Mexicans and sell drugs to Mexican children.

A large industry in the US where a great number of workers are undocumented is Chinese Restaurants.
How can Arizon deport Mexicans without deporting the Chinese and how will the state deal with all of their Chinese Restuarants closing down.

I see the right wingers who scream that Obama is some kind of dictator are showing their true colors and embracing a police state.
What a shock.

I want the ability to drive in Mexico without insurance, drunk, and without a valid license! And better yet; attend free schools, get medical care, work, and buy/rent property without providing any legit credit report, ss#, or financial statement! Heck, I figure if they are all coming up here to Obamaland we should take advantage of Mexico’s largesse! What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Nope. They enforce laws against foreigners down there (one of the few laws them seem to be able to deal with.)

Actually, the law doesn’t go far enough.
Since all illegals working in the US are breaking the law, all of their assests should be seized and distributed to border communities when they are deported.
They do that in RICO cases, and illegals should lose their assets as well. Take away the incentive to flout the law, and see if they still come.

I want the ability to drive in Mexico without insurance, drunk, and without a valid license! And better yet; attend free schools, get medical care, work, and buy/rent property without providing any legit credit report, ss#, or financial statement!
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Ed, we send thousands of college kids down there every year to do just that. This is too easy.

Arrest, deport & confiscate their assets!
That will answer who pays for the enforcement. Oh, if they don’t have any assets – labor details. Simple, effective, fair.

The Federal law says it is a felony to cross the border Through other than the designated area (customs). It is a misdemeanor, punishable by 6 months in jail; this is subject to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. This law has a statue of limitations of 2 years . The
Federal law for being in the U.S without documentation is a civil offense punishable by a $50.00 dollar fine. Arizona has no legal status for
their felony statute. The Constitution says “Ex post facto
(3 US 386 [1798]), in the opinion of Justice Chase: 1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, or makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offense, in order to convict the offender. Article I section 9 limits of congress. Also Bill of attainder’
Not to mention violation of the 14 amendment due process clause. Another obvious fact is that if they
arrest someone, and the Feds wont take them , they Can’t deport them or release them into the crime they
were arrested for. This law has as much chance to stand as a snow ball in hell.

All the “new” law does is strengthen existing law. If people would just READ the bill, they would see how foolish they sound.

All these people against immigrants all of a sudden become these perfect law abiding citizens who never ever break the law. Next time you go over the speed limit your car should be taken because you are breaking the law. This law will have the lifespan of a Chinese made battery. I’ve got to hand it to Obama, he will accomplish more than any other president in US history-health, financial and Immigration reform all within 2 years of his term. That’s just crazy!

STOP THE INVASION OF ARIZONA
Tucson Border Patrol Sector Monthly Apprehensions Of Illegals—Length 262 miles
———-OCT—NOV—DEC—JAN—-FEB—MAR—APR—MAY—JUN—-JUL—AUG—SEP
FY2010-23211-16999-10922-16096-21223-31203
FY2009-18814-12845–9862-18649-20943-31433-28072-24084-20822-20144-20805-15178
FY2008-21725-18232-11722-26348-34297-45222-45436-32851-24290-21074-18404-18044
FY2007-25135-21323-16136-29459-34148-52692-49044-41789-34103-30373-24388-19649
FY2006-27316-24270-16447-33229-43153-63583-51588-40190-25049-21187-23256-22806

8.3 Million
8,300,000 – the number of illegals, using invalid SS numbers, illegally working at known places of employment.
In the meantime, there are 15,000,000 unemployed American workers. http://bit.ly/U8Awd
8,000,000 illegals earning $10 an hour, equals $20,800 a year, that’s 8,000,000 X $20,800 equals $166,400,000,000; that’s $166.4 billion that American workers aren’t taking home for their wives, and children.
Remember all of those jobs that used to be available for teenagers.
But wait there’s more; let’s suppose 1/2 of those unemployed American workers, are drawing unemployment, at a very modest $300 a week, $15,600 a year times 7 million American workers; that’s another $109.2 billion dollars out of taxpayer pockets. (Most of the state unemployment funds are broke).
So those 8 million illegally employed illegals are costing us $275.6 billion;…but wait there’s more, they send $65 billion dollars home every year, so that money isn’t even spent in our United States to support businesses.
That’s $340.6 billion dollars that 8,000,000 illegals are costing us and remember, that doesn’t include the cost of their Welfare, Food Stamps, Section-8, Healthcare, Education, or EITC.

Why are we continuing to contend with this invasion??
MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A FELONY
MANDATE E-VERIFY FOR ALL EMPLOYERS, AMD ALL EMPLOYEES
END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGALS
BUILD MORE FENCE
IT’S WORKING!!
The Pedestrian Fence (P.F.) and Vehicle Barrier (V.B.) miles, shown below, are current as of 11/01/2009 (Source DHS/CBP)
Apprehensions—-2005—-2009–BORDER -P.F.–V.B.-REDUCTION
Yuma——————-138,492——6,951——118—–62.8—43.6——95%
El Paso—————– 122,624—-14,999——210—–63.7–101.2——88%
Del Rio ——————-68,547—-17,082——268——3.4—–0.0——75%
Rio Grande Valley —-134,136—–60,989——316—–45.3—–0.0——55%
Laredo ——————-75,268—–40,569——171——1.2—–0.2——46%
Tucson —————–439,053—-241,673——262—–71.3–138.9—–45%
El Centro—————–55,725—–33,521— —-71—–44.0—-14.2—–40%
Marfa ———————10,532——6,360——510——-4.6—–0.0—–40%
San Diego—————126,879—118,721——-66——46.2—–0.4——6%
Apprehensions——-1,171,386—540,865—-1992—342.4–298.5—–54%

There is only one reason we have so many illegal workers in the US, and that is because they will do jobs Americans won’t. I’ve lived in California. I would have gladly hired an American if they had be willing, reasonable and dependable. They were none of these. It’s the free market working. Americans are happier to collect benefits or simply do nothing than to work.

colony 14, you can keep texas, but we’ll fight you for Alaska.

I’ve always thought we should just declare war on Mexico.
Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the USA, and people are wondering why they are passing this bill?!?!?!?

Whereas I see no ideal local solution to the illegal immigration problem…and it is definitely a problem, those posters who do not live in a border state and have to deal with the situation daily, ought to curb their commentary when the state is just trying to find some way of managing this.

I just don’t get it. Why can’t they understand that
entering the United States without legal papers is
illegal and a Federal Law. If we get caught in Mexico
without legal papers you go to prison.
They are breaking the our laws whether they like it
or not.
Please protect our borders and start building more
fences.
We are not being racist, just protecting our laws.
Ginaa