By MichaelJames

Apr 17, 2010 6:00am

Obama: McConnell’s Arguments on Financial Regulation ‘Cynical and Deceptive’

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports:

In his weekly address, President Obama called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s mantra that the financial regulatory reform bill would amount to a bailout bill a “cynical and deceptive” argument.

“The leader of the Senate Republicans and the chair of the Republican Senate Campaign Committee met with two dozen top Wall Street executives to talk about how to block progress on this issue,” Obama said. “Lo and behold, when he returned to Washington, the Senate Republican leader came out against the common-sense reforms we’ve proposed.  In doing so, he made the cynical and deceptive assertion that reform would somehow enable future bailouts – when he knows that it would do just the opposite.”

After leaving a meeting with the president and other congressional leaders on Wednesday McConnell said he remained unconvinced that the package passed out of the Senate Banking Committee would avoid other bailouts.

"Where we are now, if we are left with the Chairman Dodd bill that came out of the Banking Committee on a straight party line vote, is that it is a bill that actually guarantees future bailouts of Wall Street banks,” McConnell said in the White House driveway following the meeting. “It will lead to endless taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street banks.”

Today, Obama countered, “We’re going to put in place new rules so that big banks and financial institutions will pay for the bad decisions they make – not taxpayers.  Simply put, this means no more taxpayer bailouts.”

McConnell spokesman Don Stewart told ABC News Saturday that "it's especially disappointing for the president to attack Sen. McConnell for raising concerns about the bailout loopholes in the bill when just last night the White House agreed with Sen. McConnell and its own Treasury secretary and asked Senate Democrats to remove the $50 billion fund. Sen. McConnell takes the president at his word that he wants a bill that does not expose taxpayers to future bailouts and will not destroy job creation. And we are committed to working with anyone willing to achieve that."

In his address, President Obama said he hopes to leave the politics aside so that Democrats and Republicans can work together. But he also indicated that he would move forward without Republicans support, if need be.

“This is certain: One way or another, we will move forward," President Obama said. "This issue is too important.  The costs of inaction are too great.”

The president said that if things remain unchanged in the financial system, “we’ll doom ourselves” to repeat the last financial crisis.

“Opposing reform will leave taxpayers on the hook if a crisis like this ever happens again,” he added, no doubt sending a message to the Capitol Hill as senators prepare to consider the bill as soon as next week on the Senate floor.

President Obama briefly outlined the plan for reform currently moving through Congress, mentioning the consumer financial protections, and new transparency on derivatives.

“Warren Buffett himself once described derivatives bought and sold with little oversight as ‘financial weapons of mass destruction,’" Obama said. "That’s why through reform we’d help ensure that these kinds of complicated financial transactions take place on an open market.  Because, ultimately, it is a marketplace that is open, free and fair that will allow our economy to flourish.”

President Obama issued a veto threat should the bill not regulate the derivatives market properly.

-Sunlen Miller

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“it is a bill that actually guarantees future bailouts of Wall Street banks,” McConnell
When is the media going to quit mindless parroting talking points and both to point out THE ACTUAL FACTS? Jake, are you repeating lies out of ignorance or laziness?

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 8:21 am 8:21 am

“President Obama called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s mantra that the financial regulatory reform bill would amount to a bailout bill a “cynical and deceptive” argument. ” – ABC News
Who believes what O’Bama says these days? It’s so sad that he’s been caught in so many lies and broken promises. His constant Potus Salesman Pitch™ with the never ending spin to get what he wants has made him into less than a used car salesman.
So Sad.
It’s to the point that when I read the above I thought, well if Barack says Mitch is cynical and deceptive then he’s more than likely actually trustworthy and honest.
So Sad

Posted by: Noz | April 17, 2010, 8:25 am 8:25 am

Who believes what O’Bama says these days?
Noz | Apr 17, 2010 8:25:13 AM
Belief is not required. The bill has been publicly available for a while now. You don’t have to believe anyone, ask them to back up their claims by citing the black and white (excruciating detailed down to the last definition, as laws usually are) text.
McConnell can’t. He’s lying. And the media is too lazy to call him on it. It’s like I claim the Bible says God wants everyone to have a new car every three years, a ministers waves the bible and say’s I’m lying, and the media throws up their hands and say “No way to tell whose being honest, so lets just report both equally!”

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 8:52 am 8:52 am

McConnell is taking his lead from Frank Luntz’s big book of talking points. The man IS being cynical and deceptive. We all know McConnell is in the back pocket of Wall Street……. something he and his fellow repubs will come to regret.

Posted by: Lee | April 17, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am

McConnell like most in the GOP have never met a big Banker or Corporate CEO that they didn’t love. Hopefully most Americans are waking up to the fact that the GOP is NOT the friend of the middle class.

Posted by: Trent | April 17, 2010, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Wall Street vs. the American People … Republicans choose Wall Street.

Posted by: SimpleTruthIs | April 17, 2010, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Anything Obama supports involves a big government power grab. This is no different.
He uses every Alinsky tactic in the book to lie, distort, smear, marginalize opposition, abuse the language, etc. The man is a menace.

Posted by: marxmywords | April 17, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Why did Obama bail out the banks? Litowitz and his wife had never before made significant political donations to the Democrats. In 2005, they started giving to Rahm and his PACs, and only PACs connected to Rahm, just before the Magnetar CDO program began, and continued through the first quarter of 2008, when the trade would have started to pay out handsomely. The Litowitzs gave a total of $8,000 to Emanuel and $10,000 to his Our Common Values PAC in May 2005. In 2006 and 2007, they contributed $51,700 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, while Emanuel was chairman. We have been advised by individuals involved in political fundraising that the amounts given would be considered significant, and the way the payments were distributed across the PACs is sophisticated. Put it another way: this money was not given impersonally.But this troubling connection should be no surprise. Rahm has long been a favorite of the hedge funds, having raised more money from them than any Senator not running for President. Not surprisingly, he has been a staunch supporter of the financial services industry, and is widely credited with playing a key role in securing passage of the TARP after its initial defeat.

Posted by: deanbob | April 17, 2010, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Anytime Washington wants to “reform” anything, it is best to lock up anything valuable. We already have evidence that health care “reform” is anything but reform. It is, however, a shining example of why to not allow Washington to have anything to do with regulation concerning our finances. For example, Obama says the health care bill will reduce the deficit and the CBO, using Obama’s assumptions, say he’s right. The first assumption fell yesterday when congress reversed the 21% reduction in Medicare payments (and thank you for that). So now the health care house of cards is starting to fall. If history has shown us anything it is this: you don’t let the people who caused the problem try and fix the problem because every time they do, the make the problem worse. Whatever the bill will actually do, we can rest assured that it will increase the cost of living for all Americans and allow whichever party is in power to spend our money for more votes.

Posted by: wantingbalance | April 17, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am

When is the media going to get their lips off the dems as- and report the truth?

Posted by: Daniel | April 17, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Read the legislation you lazy republicans. Your elected officials lie to you and you just suck it up. Why wouldn’t you do the research?
The proposed bill ELIMINATES taxpayer bailouts of big banks. If you don’t like that idea, fine. But if you say that it ensures future bailouts by taxpayers you’re either misinformed or lying. Either way, the party of Hell No looks bad.

Posted by: Concerned | April 17, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am

let us not forget that it was 8 years of bad leadership that led us to this crisis.

Posted by: Luis | April 17, 2010, 9:52 am 9:52 am

If Obama was serious about anything he would find some way to get the line item veto back and then things would start to happen rather than his hollow made for TV and worthless efforts thus far.

Posted by: Groingo | April 17, 2010, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Hey Jake, did your interview provide the government love and approval you crave?
This is spot on. Isn’t it stunning when the left tries to complain about the media parroting the “right wing” talking points? Sometimes you have to pinch yourself to see if this is really just a bad dream.

Posted by: marxmywords | April 17, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Under this bill as I understand it, the government will assess a new fee to the banks to fund an account to be used to backstop any big bank should they have another solvency issue in the future. This fee will be passed along (obviously) to the banks customers. I think it is misleading to say “taxpayers” will finance future bank bailouts, because only taxpayers who engage in banking of some sort (checking and saving accounts, borrowers, etc) will pay for future bank bailouts, not all taxpayers. In terms of Republicans being the party of wall street, why don’t you look at what wall street donated to Obama vs. McCain (hint: If you believe the common myth of a certain party being the party of wall street you’ll be embarassed). And while you’re at it, why don’t you see who the biggest contributer of all was, and who they gave to (hint: their name rhymes with Boldman Hacks and they gave it to the “candidate for change”).

Posted by: Ken | April 17, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am

The problem with the GOP today is that its corrupt leadership entangles and embroils its conservative following into it’s own dirty deeds and perpetuates the cheap shot of partisanship wars. I have given this much thought as I do know many conservatives. They are basically like everyone else EXCEPT for their views on what goes on in DC. They have been sold a sack of garbage but are convinced inside they have a sack of gold. Basically, from what I can gather, they are reluctant (if not down right stubborn) to come to grips that the party they bet their dreams on happens to be foul. In spite of illegal invasions of sheer 911 retaliation (no logic in prevention) they looked the other way as our nation was basically handed over to stock speculators who rode the war machine into billion dollar glory on the backs of the average citizen and the bones of hundreds of thousands of innocents.

Posted by: GOP Woes | April 17, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Dear “Shepard153″ and “Marxmywords,”
For better or worse, the American people have elected Obama to be our president. Right now an awful lot of Americans are suffering. Dont you think that we should regulate the banks who got us into this awful financial mess? Why are the republicans opposed to this? Could it be that they represent the big corporations of America more than people like you and me?

Posted by: verycreative | April 17, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am

It’s more than misleading, Ken. IT’s a lie. And as for your assertion about GS contributions for Obama, how about some proof? I’m not convinced.
But I’ll play. Let’s assume that’s true. Having accepted huge contributions from GS, one might expect Obama to craft legislation to favor them. And he isn’t. He’s trying to protect the American people. That says very good things about his integrity. But not so much for McConnell. He looks like a GS lackey.

Posted by: Concerned | April 17, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Proud to be with the party of NO!
No one loves WallStreet more than Obama.
They are some of his biggest campaign donors.
Obama shows his fake outrage at fatcat bankers in front of the cameras then goes golfing with them.
But the MSM only shows the “fake” outrage.
America is on to Obama’s hat tricks.
We’re saying No Thanks.

Posted by: mick | April 17, 2010, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Who did Obama choose to “save” the economy? Wall Street insiders like Tim Geithner and Larry Summers.

Posted by: ollie | April 17, 2010, 10:11 am 10:11 am

If only Obama had any credibility left.
Just keep giving handouts and he’ll keep getting votes.
But it isn’t because Obama has credibility with the majority of Americans.

Posted by: fran | April 17, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am

BO is such a lier….. Just another HIDDEN tax that WILL be Paid by YOU…. the consumer…. in the form of higher prices and fees……

Posted by: Vet1973 | April 17, 2010, 10:26 am 10:26 am

For better or worse, the American people have elected Obama to be our president.
The government makes political decisions, not economic ones. For the common good, of course. When the government makes political decisions in lieu of ecomomic ones, the result is economic dislocations and bubbles.
How do you explain (1) the CRA (2) Hud (3) Fannie and Freddie and (4) artifically low interest rates pushed by the Fed?
Are these the same types of regulations that are going to save us from Wall Street? Obama is a statist and any legistlation he pushes is to advance his statist agenda, period. The talking point is “this bill will eliminate bailouts” but like everything statists push, the devil is in the details. It’s a nice bumper sticker, but it’s a lie.

Posted by: marxmywords | April 17, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Conspiracy theories aside, this legislation is clearly needed. This is far from proactive. The government is reacting to Wall Street’s behavior. Regulation for the sake of regulation is wrong. Regulation in response to continued evidence of the need to rein in Big Business’ ability to put the financial health of our citizens and nation at risk is wise.

Posted by: Lisa | April 17, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am

It’s hard to say which is the more annoying: Republican policies or Republican spammers trolling comments boards?
You can’t makes lies true by repeating them over and over. You can’t blame the President for the Wall Street disaster or the Recession that eight years of Bush gave us.

Posted by: ryan | April 17, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am

The GOP leader is taking talking points from Frank Luntz- the purveyor of misinformation and propaganda.
The GOP is very clever- but the people are becoming used to McConnell who has done everything in his political career to protect corporations and banks
With the SEC accusing Goldman of Fraud- it seems futile to say Obama is a ‘friend’ of the banks.
The GOP simply wants to protect hedge funds (a huge windfall) for the ultra wealthy- at the expense of the middle class.

Posted by: Peter | April 17, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am

If only Obama had any credibility left.
Just keep giving handouts and he’ll keep getting votes.
But it isn’t because Obama has credibility with the majority of Americans.
Posted by: fran | Apr 17, 2010 10:15:53 AM
Fran why is it so difficult for you and every other wingnut to understand the the President is doing the things he promised to do when he ran for office.

Posted by: jim | April 17, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am

This is a legitimate opportunity for Democrats and the president. Wall Street is the leading source of rage among ordinary Americans, even more than Congress. For the GOP to openly side with them is politically troubling.

Posted by: matt | April 17, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am

At this point believing Obama is like trying to believe a crackhead. He knows full well that bailouts will be built into the system permanently. First, the bill contains a $50 billion fund for resolution of systemically risky institutions. The bill allows a 2/3 vote of the Financial Stability Oversight Council to deem any firm (financial or non-financial) as coming under its rubric and then authorizes the FDIC and Treasury Secretary to treat each of the firm’s shareholders and creditors as they choose, without regard to bankruptcy law.
Second, the bill gives the Treasury and the FDIC authority to grant an unlimited number of loan guarantees to systemically risky institutions. No congressional authorization or appropriation is required.
Third, the bill gives the Fed the authority to fund any ‘program’ to assist these institutions accepting as collateral anything it deems appropriate. So perhaps too big to fail is dead. How could any firm actually fail when all of its debt could be guaranteed by the Treasury, the Fed could print money to assist it, and just in case, there was $50 billion sitting around to reassure nervous creditors that they would be repaid regardless what contract or bankruptcy law said?”

Posted by: Ferrari5858 | April 17, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am

yawn… Obama needs a new speech writer. He keeps using the same speech week after week: attack the GOP with ad-hominem emotion-based scapegoating, then insist that his approach is the only solution (unlimited expansion of gov’t. & regulations, and spending that’s not called spending). I’d rather listen to a cow’s flatulence than another Obama speech – at least there would be more variety.

Posted by: AJ | April 17, 2010, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Bank bail of $700B was initiated by George W. Bush. He gave $350B to Henry Paulson with no accounting whatsoever. The balance $350B was given to the Obama Administration. They conducted a stress test of the banks balance sheet and found those banks that were at risk. Thebanks got the money on strick conditions for repayment. Many of them have paid off the treasury with interest. Others who got the money like AIG and GM are paying back little at a time. The first half of the $700B given to Paulson by Bush has so far not been accounted for- ITS HAS BEEN swallowed and gone forever. The TEA PARTY and idiotic Republicans, Rush Limbo, Sarah Palin are not asking questions. Obama has done a good job righting the sunken economy that he inerited. The Republicans can not lie their way back to POWER- shame on you SENATOR Mitch LIAR of Kentuckey

Posted by: JOACHAM | April 17, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

It will be interesting to see how this will play out. The GOP has to be very careful not to label itself as the party that protected the banks, who have become so hated by the public.
If the GOP stalls banking reforms in the Senate, the Dems will remove (as Obama has just suggested) any serious arguments the GOP can place against it and then make sure the passage does or doesn’t take place close to the November elections.
If there’s no new financial reform law, the GOP will have put itself in the situation of the clear “Party of NO”, the clear impression as the protectors of the banks, and appear to have left the American people in danger of another bank collapse.
If there’s a new financial reform law in October, the Democrats will be crowing [true or false] that they, once again, overcame GOP obstructions and are the true protectors of the people with “THEIR” financial reforms.
So, if I were the GOP, this is one hot potato that I’d come to terms with this Spring.

Posted by: The_Mick | April 17, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Another point for idiots who fail to understand the true cost of the bailouts. It is not just 700 billion for TARP. The total cost of bailouts between 2008 and 2010 – 7 trillion dollars.

Posted by: Ferrari5858 | April 17, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

It’s a shame that this country is so divided and it’s not just politics. The negative racial undertones I hear everyday is very troubling. All great countries fall. If the rhetoric continues with this caustic tone, we could have another civil war. God Bless this Country, her People, and our President.

Posted by: Mike | April 17, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am

One of the more recent so called financial regulation bills actually stated that congress doesn’t even want to take the time to debate whether bailouts are a good idea. They actually put a clause to limit debate when the next financial crisis hits . Now they are even too lazy to make up stories about how a big corporation or bank failing will ‘devastate’ the economy before they stick their hand in your pocket.

Posted by: Ferrari5858 | April 17, 2010, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Let’s not forget how instrumental Chris Dodd was in driving low-income home loans…(ie loans for people who CAN’T afford them) This bill will ‘tax’ the banks, and therefore anyone who uses them- Are we supposed to use the shoe box savings bank to avoid this? Proper regulation and corporate reporting oversight will cost far less AND will prevent this from happening again.

Posted by: Mike | April 17, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am

What needs to be investigated is who wins with the proposed regulation! There will be losers and winners and it is not always the obvious which needs investigation.

Posted by: tillyerkt | April 17, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am

“You can’t makes lies true by repeating them over and over.” – ryan
Sure you can.
Obama did that during the election when he repeated over and over again that a vote for McCain was 4 more years of Bush.

Posted by: Noz | April 17, 2010, 11:06 am 11:06 am

The Glass-Steagall Act was repealed during Clinton’s time thru Alan Greenspan’s behest. Yet, we have financial crises and no one seems to be even bringing up this fact or the need to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act. That makes me believe that the bankers will put forth a phoney reform bill to again put the taxpayers on the hook once another crises happens. Enough is enough. We do not need more rules or laws. Just reinstate the Glass-Steagall so that the bankers who are gaming the system cannot do so! Or are all our politicians in their payroll?

Posted by: Virgil | April 17, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am

It’s a nice bumper sticker, but it’s a lie.
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LOL. You realize you’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head with this line when it comes to the Frank Lutz directed Republican talking points on this issue (do anything you can, folks, to tie it to the term “bail out!” because the dupes will be duped– I guarantee it.)

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Let’s be clear. Wall Street and bankers put 60 million dollars in contributions to The Annoited One campaign. is anyone stupid enough to believe he will not bail then out again ??Bill Clinton was slick , this guys is deceiving.

Posted by: Frank | April 17, 2010, 11:15 am 11:15 am

“Proud to be with the party of NO!” – mick
Hey Mick, you misspoke.
You should have said,
Proud to be with the party of KNOW!

Posted by: Noz | April 17, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am

The GOP is very clever- but the people are becoming used to McConnell who has done everything in his political career to protect corporations and banks
With the SEC accusing Goldman of Fraud- it seems futile to say Obama is a ‘friend’ of the banks.
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Exactly, and Concerned makes a similar point:
“Let’s assume that’s true. Having accepted huge contributions from GS, one might expect Obama to craft legislation to favor them. And he isn’t. He’s trying to protect the American people. That says very good things about his integrity. But not so much for McConnell. He looks like a GS lackey.”
Washington Monthly’s Political Animal notes:
“In a thorough report yesterday, McClatchy noted, “Leaders of both parties had vowed for months that consideration of financial regulatory changes wouldn’t mirror the angry, partisan debates over health care and stimulating the economy. Everyone agreed that voters want tough new restrictions on Wall Street, and the legislation that the Senate is to take up later this month is full of bipartisan ideas.”
So, what happened? Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) decided this week to throw “a rhetorical stick of dynamite into what had been a collegial debate.” He did so by lying about the substance of the proposal, and raising bogus complaints about the process.
That McConnell is obviously, shamelessly doing Wall Street’s bidding doesn’t seem to faze him. ”
I’m glad the President was fairly direct in calling out McConnell.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Why can’t our President stop calling Republicans names and just explain the darn bill?? People should demand a rational, concise and straightforward explanantion from our President but instead we get name-calling — something my kids deal with in junior high.

Posted by: eatb | April 17, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Why can’t republicans stop making up stuff, and then rag on the left when they fight it?

Posted by: secondlook | April 17, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Posted by: eatb | Apr 17, 2010 11:19:06 AM
Who has he “called names”? What he did was use accurate adjectives: “cynical and deceptive.”
I’m glad. Most normal Americans are sick of the Republican’s baloney– and the dupes who keep falling for it and defending it, hook, line, sinker…

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

agreed. Steagall is a great place to start- With this bill banks would still be issuing loans, insuring them and then packaging them as dervities…where is it in their interest to regulate themselves if they can profit threefold on one loan and pass on this ‘tax’ to the people. If your really upset with the status quo educate on the facts- its the only place to start.

Posted by: Mike | April 17, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am

People should demand a rational, concise and straightforward explanantion from our President but instead we get name-calling — something my kids deal with in junior high.
eatb | Apr 17, 2010 11:19:06 AM
The full bill is posted online and easily available for review. But I suppose you just can’t support it unless Obama personally shows up at your door and spends the next month walking you through it line by line, right? Until then you’ll just blindly follow ‘your team’, and to heck with what is good for America.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am

AJ, you missed one important point. The money does NOT come from the FED – our taxes. It comes from the banks themselves who must post bonds to cover future problems. Our tax dollars are not involved.

Posted by: Ron D- | April 17, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Is the proposed bill posted somewhere? Seems like if it were it would be easier to shut up the wingnuts?

Posted by: rlcamp | April 17, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Obama:“Opposing reform will leave taxpayers on the hook if a crisis like this ever happens again,” he added, no doubt sending a message to the Capitol Hill as senators prepare to consider the bill as soon as next week on the Senate floor.
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Not really.
First of all, this crisis was pretty rare. Who knows if it or something like it would “ever happen again”?
Second, it was a choice to bail out companies. We are only on the hook if Congress votes to put us on the hook again.
Robert Rubin begged President Bush to put taxpayers ‘on the hook’ to bail out Enron. It, too, was too big to fail. But fail it was allowed to do, and we did recover from it.
Finally, we can’t ignore the Fannies, Freddies, GMs, and Chryslers. We are still “on the hook” with them, and there’s nothing stopping another similar bailout from being foist upon us.
It is folly for the President to argue Republicans are being dishonest about what will happen with this legislation because they foresee an outcome different from what his *intentions* are.
Two years ago, he could have called Republicans “cynical and deceptive” if they’d said we were going to end up completely on the hook for Fannie, Freddie, and GM. But look at us.

Posted by: MayBee | April 17, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Obama sure loves using the words ‘cynical and deceptive’ at every briefing. Brings to mind a famous quote: “he who accuses admits their own guilt”.

Posted by: EPU | April 17, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Is the proposed bill posted somewhere? Seems like if it were it would be easier to shut up the wingnuts?
rlcamp | Apr 17, 2010 11:53:42 AM
The summary, section by section overview, and full text is publicly available on the Congress’s website. But it doesn’t matter – Republicans aren’t citing any particular part or referring to anything it does, they are fabricating complete lies. And it’s infuriating that the media is mindlessly repeating them like they are legitimate arguments.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Obama sure loves using the words ‘cynical and deceptive’ at every briefing.
EPU | Apr 17, 2010 12:01:09 PM
Can you provide a couple ACTUAL CITES to support that claim?

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Obama should know what “cynical and deceptive” is since that has been his attitude from day one. That is why his job approval rating has unprecedentedly plunged since the first of the year.

Posted by: Joyce | April 17, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

For all of you “believers” in Obama. The truth is, the Republicans are in the pocket of corporations and banks, yes. But Obama is in the pocket of third party groups, unions and the bloated government itself. Actually both parties are primarily concerned with their own power. That’s why you should vote for a new third party like the libertarian party. Especially if you aren’t in a battleground state anyway.
Would you rather have a self-regulating/free market economy with less taxes or a “safe” economy with higher taxes to pay for the regulating agencies(which is a joke because these agencies are just as susceptible to corruption).
When it comes to prudent decision making, it is best to be cynical because you are being also being realistic about what could happen. You are supposed to plan for the worst case scenario.

Posted by: Shane | April 17, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Obama,
When you point your finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you.
In the case with your health care bill, 55% of American fingers are pointing back at you after backroom dealing, buying votes with taxpayers’ $, abortion stlll in the bill, all against the majority’s will.

Posted by: EPU | April 17, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

It is folly for the President to argue Republicans are being dishonest about what will happen with this legislation because they foresee an outcome different from what his *intentions* are.
MayBee | Apr 17, 2010 11:59:14 AM
Laws are not “intentions” they are black and white, written in detail, with extensive definition and citation. This is kinda what ALL OF MODERN CIVILIZATION IS BASED UPON. Some refer to it as the “rule of law.”
Can you cite ANYTHING in the law supporting your contention, or is the entire basis of your argument you hate Obama and everything Democrats do must be stopped?

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

quote: Obama sure loves using the words ‘cynical and deceptive’ at every briefing
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If the shoe fit!

Posted by: CommonSense | April 17, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

It is folly for the President to argue Republicans are being dishonest…
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Oh… sure. If you define folly as saying it like it is.
LOL. What a joke.
I liked Crooks and Liars headline this morning: “Right-wingers think the president has gotten himself all uppity by not showing those Obama-hating Tea Partiers enough deference”
Matthew Yglesias’s headline also says a lot: Obama Administration Sues Goldman Sachs for Fraud, Pushes Regulatory Bill Goldman Sachs Opposes, Gets Accused by Boehner of Doing Goldman’s Bidding (and his closing line is pretty good, too:”I don’t know how stupid Boehner and McConnell think people are, but obviously bailouts just happened under the status quo so the idea that passing the bill will somehow make bailouts possible or that standing by the status quo will make it impossible is 100 percent nonsense. Not everyone believes that Chris Dodd’s system is totally airtight, but how on earth does just doing nothing improve on that?”)
You all are too much. It would be hilarious if you all weren’t voters in this country, but since you are, I’d prefer an educated, intellectually honest and informed (rather than disinformed and repeatedly duped) citizenry.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Laws are not “intentions” they are black and white, written in detail, with extensive definition and citation. This is kinda what ALL OF MODERN CIVILIZATION IS BASED UPON. Some refer to it as the “rule of law.”
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First, there is no law yet.
Laws are not black and white, they are open to being poorly written and creative interpretations. Not to mention loopholes and further, future clarifications.
Even the newly passed health care reform act is bumping up against these very things.
You know that. It has nothing to do with hating Obama or the Democrats, but about the reality of legislation, regulation, and those on the creating and receiving end of both.

Posted by: MayBee | April 17, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

quote: People should demand a rational, concise and straightforward explanantion from our President but instead we get name-calling — something my kids deal with in junior high.
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Oh yeah, and McConnell and the GOP has heart, minds and langauge of saints. L O L
There’s not a damn thing rational, concise and straightforward about this/that group.

Posted by: CommonSense | April 17, 2010, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

First, there is no law yet.
Laws are not black and white, they are open to being poorly written and creative interpretations. Not to mention loopholes and further, future clarifications.
MayBee | Apr 17, 2010 12:29:19 PM
Their is a bill written and published, ready for debate. Yet Republicans are promising to block even debating and amending it on the Senate floor (they want another six months behind closed doors to kill it in committee). What happened to wanting to debate in front of the cameras? That is the express purpose of the Senate floor debate!
Either you can CITE THE PORTION OF THE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED BILL you disagree with, or you are simply arguing “I hate Obama so it must be bad.”

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Here’s some simple fact – in the 1920s wallstreet ran scams of inflating stock prices, or making bad stocks, on purpose, with insider type trading/selling, and that lead to the massive crash of 1929 which lead to massive layoffs and foreclosures, which led to theGreat Depressoin. FDR, very savy, put the GlassStegnal act in place to separate commercial banks from investment banks. For 60 years it worked. Perfectly protected from this type of scam. Senator Grahm, R, and two other republican senators, repealed this act. nearly immediately, Wallstreet cried “Whaooo!” and started it all up again. Withing 8 years we were RIGHT BACK where we were in 1929 with on exception – after the crashes we had an Obama as president, not a hoover. So we escaped the 10 years of Depressoin, but it cost us BIG TIME!!!! Now, Obama wants to put in place protections that worked for 60 years!!! And republicans say it wont! Republicans actually say it will cause more crashes???? OK CONS AT WHAT POINT DO YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG TO REPEAL GLASS STEGAL AND WRONG in supporting republicans??????? My God, can you not smell the coffee yet that you are LIED TO???????? WAKE UP!!!! You support these republicans in doing this you can kiss this country GOOD BYE becuase with our debt,if Wallstreet does this again WE WILL DIE next time. You have Greenspan, R, have the nerve to say he was “dismayed that selfregulation didn’t work” >??????HOW????? HOW are you dismayed it didn’t work????? Do we have no fat people in this country? no crooks? No greed? GROW UP republicans!!!! Republicans STILL believe in self regulation and they are LYING TO YOU to try to get you support them. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Some who knows finance | April 17, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Either you can CITE THE PORTION OF THE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED BILL you disagree with, or you are simply arguing “I hate Obama so it must be bad.”
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You are arguing with points I’m not making.
I’m discussing Obama’s speech today, and the flaws in his rhetoric and the points he’s trying to make/score.

Posted by: MayBee | April 17, 2010, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Their is a bill written and published, ready for debate. Yet Republicans are promising to block even debating and amending it on the Senate floor (they want another six months behind closed doors to kill it in committee). What happened to wanting to debate in front of the cameras? That is the express purpose of the Senate floor debate!
Either you can CITE THE PORTION OF THE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED BILL you disagree with, or you are simply arguing “I hate Obama so it must be bad.”
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 17, 2010 12:41:17 PM
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Can you provide links for YOUR assertions? Or do you just simply hate the Republicans? And by debate, do you mean debate like was done with the health care bill, you know, like Obama promised would be done?

Posted by: fyi | April 17, 2010, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Why can’t our President stop calling Republicans names and just explain the darn bill?? —you know what, it’s hard to understand and it’s up to YOU to learn abougt it and YOU to look up the terms, or call a CPA and understand it YOURSELF!! I agree he should try to be more specific, but can you at least understand that this president was smart enough to thwart another great depressoin while you have Greenspan say he is ‘dismayed” that self regulations doesn’t work! Who do you trust, eh??? You want to understand hte bill, I have one easy suggestion. LISTEN TO NPR. they explain these things in deep deep detail. If you listen to FOx news and expect any REAL explainantion you are high as a kite. Rupert Murdoch own Fox, as pays Hannity and pays Rush and pays Beck along with about 200 conservative newspapers and HE doesn’t want any regulatoins. HE isnot affected by this recession, he makes money off it. Folks flocking to fox and listening to Rush, angry at their hard times. You are making his richer by being bad off. If you were well off you may not listen to him, right? Nothing to be angry about, right? It is in his best interest to KEEP you angry and poor, you fool!!!!!!! Not to mention Murdock doesn’t want YOU getting a tax cut, HE wants the tax cuts. Obama just gave YOU a tax cut and may raise taxes on the murdoch’s of the world. GROW UP!!! Listen to NPR. They will explain the bill in detail.

Posted by: Some who knows finance | April 17, 2010, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Go to Google: Put in search “corrupt senators”.. You will discover that Mitch McConnell is at the top of the list. Filtering money through a “non profit organization”. When he was caught the so called donations dropped dramatically. Guaranteed there is something in this for Mitch McConnell.. We need to have term limits on these Senators. They may come to Washington to do the right thing but the temptations are just too much over the years.

Posted by: Sharonkathleen | April 17, 2010, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Not surprising Investor Business Daily has put out a dishonest hit piece on this bill. Beyond being flaks for the status quo, lets all remember how they attacked the health insurance reform bill:
“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.” IBD editorial, Aug 1 2009
They later recanted when it was pointed out Dr Hawking lived his entire life in the UK and credited the care of the NHS for his not only surviving but thriving. And that was pretty much the final straw for their already-dubious credibility with anyone not already in the Republican choir.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

I see no flaws in rhetoric. He’s finally fighting back.

Posted by: secondlook | April 17, 2010, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

(As a sidenote, of course Stephen Hawkings is alive, 68 years old, and living in the UK. Re-reading my post, it looks like I whipped it out in an inappropriate tense when discussing him.)

Posted by: jhw539 | April 17, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is a five-term senator from Kentucky. He is the minority leader in the 111th Congress and sits on the Senate Appropriations Committee. Sen. McConnell’s ethics issues stem primarily from (1) earmarks he inserted into legislation for clients of his former chief of staff in exchange for campaign contributions and (2) the misuse of his nonprofit McConnell Center for Political Leadership at the University of Louisville. Sen. McConnell was included in CREW’s 2007 and 2008 congressional corruption reports.

Posted by: Sharonkathleen | April 17, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

I see no flaws in rhetoric. He’s finally fighting back—- in fact, it’s whimpy. Let’s just say the truth shall we? Republicans are lying. Period. For 60 years we were protected, Grahm repealed GlassStegal and it all started up immediately. Republican economic theory is for self regulatoin. Greenspan just said so in the hearings. REpulicans DO NOT LEARN from their mistakes. They hold on to their theories not matter how much proof, over how many decades, proves they are WRONG. Republicans say this sets up taxpayers for more bailouts. ???? That is a LIE!!! No other way to put it, it’s a lie. there is NOTHING that says tax payers will pay one tiny cent for anything, ever. WHERE did that come from?????? He pulled it out of his Lying arse, just like Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and obama has death panels and Obama is a muslim. How many times would you allow a person, a single person, to lie to you before you just branded them a liar and stopped believing anythign they say????? Well, at what point does this happen to cons about their beloved politicans, huh??? you know they’re never going to stop lying to you until you reject their lies. Are you forever going to be their doormat? You know if you support democrats the economy will do better. You know that. GDP is growing, the debt will begin to be paid off next year. Are you kdiding you that you would even consider ruining the recovery by supporting these liars?????

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

We can no longer trust what the president says. He has lied to all Americans to get elected. Our government has never been in worst shape since he took office.
It is clear he doexn’t give a dam about what the American people think or feel.
So when Obama makes a statement it means absolutely nothing. He is so much worst than Jimmy Carter and to think we have to pay for his protection the rest of his life. Protection for a liar.
Even Clinton was better than Obama and should have been kicked out of office.

Posted by: A Citizen | April 17, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

For all of you “believers” in Obama.—people are not ‘believers in Obama’ —-we simply read the legislation and judge the policies. Maybe cons support republicans for who they are, not what they do, but not dems. We READ THE STUFF and understand how it works nad THAT is why we support it. I dont ‘believe’ in Obama, I read thestuff he puts up, I read about his work inside the banks, what he had done, what is legislation will do and I support the IDEAS not the man. maybe this is a difference between republicans and democrats. YOU take this all too personal. I am not supporting this legislation because of anyone supporting it. I looked it up, i know what is says ,what the theory is, and I think it’s a good idea. Period. You should start actually trying to UNDERSTAND what is going on, instead of playing the personality game. this isn’t high school. This is about ideas. What ideas do you think oworks best. If you want to be aware of what is inside the bill, listen to NPR. Fox WILL NOT TELL Fox tries VERY hard to make it personal, about personalities, rather than facts and ideas. works much better with the small minded ignorant who dont know how things work. I dont think you have to be that type of person. Listen to NPR in addition to fox news for a week. Listen to both sides, then decide. I’m think youre intelligent enough to do that.

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is a five-term senator from Kentucky—is a lying sack of manure! Who repealed Glass Stegal? Oh yeah, Grahm. Self regulation. Great freakn theory. I see republicans are still holding onto to their collosally bad ideas. Or, are they simply cow-towing to their sugar daddy’s who pay their bills. The level shameless lies and self serving manipulation from this era of republicans is truly amazing. I will not go back to this party so long as they behave so atrociously

Posted by: Used 2 B a republican | April 17, 2010, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Seriously….are you serious? You think Phil Grahm repealed the Glass-Steagal Act of 1932??? Seriouly??? since when does a Senator have the authority or power to repeal ANY law or act? The act was repealed by none other that President Clinton, with massive bipartisan support….90-8 in the Senate and a similar “landslide” by the house. Here is the story of the repeal…you can look up the passage of the original Glass Steagal act yourself if you care to. But here is the process of the repeal:
The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[12] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[13] After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[14]
You went on to say, “…”Grahm repealed GlassStegal and it all started up immediately” “all started up immediately”. I suppose you meant the economic decline? All “started up immediately” by a law repealed not by Grahm, but by Democratic President Bill Clinton. Now, WHO did you say was responsible for the economic distress????

Posted by: ncpilot10 | April 17, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

in the fox to guard the hen house, —kind of ironic, considering the thing that really changed the republicans party was the inception of Fox news. Republicans used to be a smart group, who thought and weighed ideas. The republicans of Reagan are even gone. Reagan was for nuclear non-proliferation, does anyone remember that? if Reagan came back today, you fools who call yourselves repbulicans, you’d call him a liberal. You lost us moderate republicans, to Fox. You have truly let in the fox to guard the hen house and he’s been consuming hens all along and you’re just sitting there confused while another one bites the dust and fox tells you, “oh, it’s that black eagle eating them!!! Let me guard the hens again tonight. They’ll be safe…ehe he he “

Posted by: Used 2 B a republican | April 17, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLBA), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) is an act of the 106th United States Congress (1999-2001) which repealed part of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, opening up the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

I KNOW what the GLB act is….but WHO signed it into law? Who ENACTED the bill? And when? Not Grahm….he wrote it….it was signed into law by Clinton.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | April 17, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

In the age of soft money no politician has ever raised more money from one company for one election than Barry did with Goldman Sachs in 2008.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

KNOW what the GLB act is….but WHO signed it into law? Who ENACTED the bill? And when? Not Grahm….he wrote it….it was signed into law by Clinton.
—yes, Republicans ideas, republican eocnomic theory with a ‘oh pleas let us ggive this a try! Surely banks have learned their lessons and would NEVER do those things again! Let us try self regulation! We have the Great Depressio nto learn from” so Clinton signed the republican great idea and then Bush came intooffice and then it all went to ppot! The derivates were invented while BBUSH was in office, the short selling tthe bogus securities, all made while republicans were 100% in charge and allowed to go on completely unfettered. NOBODY was watching the store and those who were were thick as sstones watching this happen and either bbeing too stupid to understand what was happeneing, or too stubborn to admit they were wrong!!! But when dems ggot in what was one of the FIRST things they did????? They called hearings on Predatorial LEnding practices and called on making Banks act more responsibily to which bush said NO! “Let the bad banks fail” Words that will live in infamy. In a hundred years students will study Hoover and Bush together, twin presidents with twin accomplishments and twin theories, but Hoover never had a Hoover to learn from, so all the more shame on Bush.

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

simple facts – republicans are denying they pushed to repeal Glass Stegal then why are republicans, again, getting in the way of putting regulation back on wallstreet???? McConnell is a lying piece of poop. We all know banking regulations work. He can say he’s against them, he’s for self regulation , just be honest about it (if he can, he is after all, a republican) but to say it wont work or will lead to more bailouts….???? hello???? Do you imagine we’re all idiots like you and your followers? we all know banking regulations work. How do you keep a straight face when you talk like that.

Posted by: the party of no again | April 17, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Seriously…in addition to reviewing how the legislative branch actually works, I would recommend a simple reading of the record. If you don’t have access to NewsArchive, then just Google the Subject. Banking deregulation falls under Bill Clinton’s administration. Since he was involved in the “bipartisan negotiations” it should be assumed that because he signed the bill he supported it. We will never know if Congress would have over-ridden his veto. HE DIDN’T VETO THE BILL. Gramm certainly played a role, proving the point that nothing good comes from bipartisanship. I Would also remind you that Gramm served as a DEMOCRAT representative in congress for five years before switching to the GOP. He certainly didn’t undergo a true conversion and his participation in this legislation helped create the problems we have today. And that proves my point. Americans suffer under legislation regardless of which party or parties supported it.

Posted by: wantingbalance | April 17, 2010, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

And who was responisble for the “predatorial lending” that you are railing about? How about Dodd? How about good ol’ Barney Franks?? And, hey, how about that super Obama Supporter, Goldman Sachs??? You know, the ones that are now accused of designing loans designed to fail? The ones that donated mega millions to get Obama elected? And have you looked to see who TRIED to get Glass Steagal re-signed into law? Hint…he’s a Republican Senator from Arizona…but his bipartisan bill was sort of ignored by obama and the democratic congress earlier this year.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | April 17, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

simple facts – republicans are denying they pushed to repeal Glass Stegal then why are republicans, again, getting in the way of putting regulation back on wallstreet????
Posted by: the party of no again |
In your world, why aren’t the Democrats reinstating Glass Steagall?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

In the age of soft money no politician has ever raised more money from one company for one election than Barry did with Goldman Sachs in 2008.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Apr 17, 2010 1:24:37 PM
Thank you, John Boehner, but you sound rather silly, don’t ya think? … while there’s no point at all in denying that the financial services industry in general and Goldman Sachs employees in particular contributed money to Barack Obama’s campaign, its also true that Obama and his admin have spoken out against the financial services industry AND that Goldman stands accused of fraud by the SEC– uh, Obama’s admin. So, it makes it rather commendable that Obama wasn’t bought off, imho.
Moreover, Goldman Sachs OPPOSES the reform that Obama is pushing. Truth be told, the positions of Boehner and McConnell and all the rest of the crappy Republicans in Congress are the positions in line with Goldman Sachs.
Heck, you can read HuffPost and know full well that Democrats are deeply in hock to Wall Street– that’s not a news flash. But those on the Right are protesting Big Government and giving High Finance a total pass. Its stupid and short-sighted.
As Bill Moyers writes: “Bottom line: “The Wall Street banks are the new American oligarchy — a group that gains political power because of its economic power, and then uses that political power for its own benefit.” So write Simon Johnson, former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund; and James Kwak, former management consultant and software entrepreneur, in their important new book, 13 Bankers: The Wall Street Takeover and the Next Financial Meltdown. Their words of warning and the past year and a half make you realize that as usual, Thomas Jefferson, whose birthday we celebrate this week, had it right. Back in 1816, he wrote, “I sincerely believe… that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.” (Crocodile Tears on Wall Street, Bill Moyers, Huff Po)

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

No one, democrat or republican, can deny pushing for the repeal of Glass-Stegal. It passed the senate 90 to 5. It passed the House 362 to 57. Please don’t tell me that you honestly think that in 1999, there were 90 republicans and only 10 democrats in the senate. And that the house had only 57 representatives that were democrats. You don’t even make sense.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | April 17, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Moreover, Goldman Sachs OPPOSES the reform that Obama is pushing.
Posted by: progressive mama |
Citation please.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Yes, the “meltdown” happened in 2008, while Bush was still president. But who had control of the purse strings and the law making of our nation at that time?
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Nonsense. The Republicans had the presidency and the congress for 6 years. Six year for their Republican policies to build a stable, strong economy.
How strong an economy did the Republicans build over those 6 years?
It collapsed like a house of cards. That’s how ‘strong’ and ‘stable’ the Republican policies made the economy.
Plus they doubled the national debt on top of their house of cards economy.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Moreover, Goldman Sachs OPPOSES the reform that Obama is pushing. Truth be told, the positions of Boehner and McConnell and all the rest of the crappy Republicans in Congress are the positions in line with Goldman Sachs.
Heck, you can read HuffPost and know full well that Democrats are deeply in hock to Wall Street– that’s not a news flash. But those on the Right are protesting Big Government and giving High Finance a total pass. Its stupid and short-sighted.
As Bill Moyers writes: “Bottom line: “The Wall Street banks are the new American oligarchy — a group that gains political power because of its economic power, and then uses that political power for its own benefit.” So write Simon Johnson, former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund; and James Kwak, former management consultant and software entrepreneur, in their important new book, 13 Bankers: The Wall Street Takeover and the Next Financial Meltdown. Their words of warning and the past year and a half make you realize that as usual, Thomas Jefferson, whose birthday we celebrate this week, had it right. Back in 1816, he wrote, “I sincerely believe… that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.” (Crocodile Tears on Wall Street, Bill Moyers, Huff Po)
Posted by: progressive mama |
Stand by your man…
The same folks that see conspiracies everywhere two or more Republicans gather can’t find Democratic corruption with both hands.
Obama would have you believe that the Goldman Sachs boys have spent millions of dollars on Democrats in the last few years and still ended up with a bill that they oppose because it’s too hard on them.
progressives never look more foolish that when they attempt to defend the corruption of the Social Democrats. And for some reason, they always defend it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

It is sad but after the deception and sleazy backroom deals of the Obama Administration I think it is safe to say that the majority of Americans assume if his lips are moving he is lying.
His intrusive policies will destroy even more jobs.

Posted by: Rick | April 17, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

As it happens there still those of us who support this president and believe in him. I don’t agree 100% with each and every choice he makes, but I know he has difficult choices and people advising him who are more knowledgable than I. I do not and will never believe he is a liar, a traitor, a Marxist, a socialist, or any of the vicious things the Republicans and Tea Partiers say about him every day. I wish the Gallup Poll would poll me for a change, and I suspect there are enough people like me to start to fight back from the right wing fringe that is trying to dominate the agenda in this country.

Posted by: Phoenix lady | April 17, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

The banks were looking to make money from making loans and knew that since they could pass them up the chain to bigger banks, that they would not be responsible. They could take the profits and down payments and let it forclose then sell the place again.
Now were trying to put some regulation on this and the repubs have the odacity to say that this was a democratic party problem. Glad that Obama is fighting back for the great deceptors.

Posted by: SK | April 17, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

tierra, your comment, “nonsense”, is nonsense. The first six years of the bush presidency were fine. And it did take just 2 years of dme meddling to bring it down like a house of cards. It amazes me that you seem to think that the dems can continuously wash their hands of any culpability in our economic bad times, then try to claim credit of the good things. and by the way, this whole thing proves that McCain was correct when he stated that our economy was fundamentally sound. Regardless of obama’s fumbling around with cash for clunkers, stimulus, and other failed attempts, the economy will recover as will the stock market.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | April 17, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Obama would have you believe that the Goldman Sachs boys have spent millions of dollars on Democrats in the last few years and still ended up with a bill that they oppose because it’s too hard on them.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Apr 17, 2010 1:53:27 PM
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And you have offered no proof to the contrary. Zero.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

I do not and will never believe he is a liar, a traitor, a Marxist, a socialist, or any of the vicious things the Republicans and Tea Partiers say about him every day.
Posted by: Phoenix lady | Apr 17, 2010 1:55:07 PM
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Sadly the smear and fear campaign is all the Republicans pursue – the Republicans certainly wouldn’t want to run on their record during the Bush administration; and they really have a paucity of policies.
And even more sadly, the smear and fear campaign lowers the quality of thought and civility in the country.
With the Republicans, its Party First, County Second.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

And you have offered no proof to the contrary. Zero.
Posted by: tierra |
The next “proof” of Democratic corruption that makes it past your shields will be the first.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

ierra, your comment, “nonsense”, is nonsense. The first six years of the bush presidency were fine. And it did take just 2 years of dme meddling to bring it down like a house of cards.
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Nonsense, the ‘strong’, ‘stable’ economy the Republican built was a sham, ready to collapse. Six years of mismanagement, overinflated housing, overinflated phony loan packages . .. it was a house of cards.
Nice to see the stock market WAY up since the Democrats took office. Same with GDP. Jobs are next.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

this whole thing proves that McCain was correct when he stated that our economy was fundamentally sound.
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Right. Major banks and financial institutions collapsing. Major American automobile companies collapsing. Over 700,000 people losing their jobs every month, stock market collapsing, largest economic collapse since the Great Depression, foreclosures and bankruptcies through the roof – good strong fundamentals for McCain and the Republicans.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

So Mitch McConnell would rather just let those big banks go belly up than pass regulations or bring back Glass-Stegal. Let’s dissect this calamity. Wall street used some questionable practices to throw the whole country into a recession and many huge banks that got suckered in lost money. The government gave them loans to keep them operating and they’ve paid most of it back. So is the problem shady practices on Wall street or the government helping businesses get back on their feet? Even the auto companies will eventually pay all the money back. Letting all these big banks and auto companies go under would have cost even millions of more jobs lost and a domino collapse of other industries they would have been effected. I’m sure that Mitch McConnell and the republicans would be campaigning on that blunder if it had happened. I believe we have to keep things in perspective and not get fooled by the double talk that politicians have practiced forever and deliver with a straight face. These are liars just like the robber barons of Wall street that put their fortunes first and Americans second.

Posted by: kenneth | April 17, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Because all that knee jerk stuff to stand firmly for the status quo, while pretending that’s not your deal, doesn’t look foolish at all.
Posted by: progressive mama |
I’m sure you know what you are talking about here but I don’t. It’s sounds to me like you have bought in to the mythical Obama strawman that doesn’t want anything in their life to change but I know you aren’t that gullible. Surely there is more going on here than just wanting to feel morally superior to another group of people.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 17, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

“Obama would have you believe” —This the problem with you people. Moderates and democrats dont ‘believe’ Obama. We read Forbes Magazine, Business Week Magazine, listen to NPR, listen to MarketPlace, and read THe Economist Magazine, we listen to the BBC, we dont look to Obama to give us news or information. We find out ourselves, we look at what his ideas are, and most of hte time, they are good ideas and his thinking makes sense. We are not the sheep. WE dont have talk shows, Fox news blaring propaganda at us, we dont ‘believe’ in anyone. We think. YOU follow. You are the sheep. we know history. We know republicans repealed GLass Stegal. We know it protected us from financial ruin for over 60 years, we know the financial derivates and stock swaps and short selling all happened while bush was in office and he did nothing to stop it, and now that it’s time to get some regulation back in place, gee whiz, who’s blocking it again????? republicans. typical. Party of no. no idea, no brains, no freakn clue how anything works, no clue how to solve problems.

Posted by: GOP on the wrong side again | April 17, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Surely there is more going on here than just wanting to feel morally superior to another group of people.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Apr 17, 2010 2:30:01 PM
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How could the religious Republican right ever think that!

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

I have to laugh BO is the biggest liar and defrauder of peoples rights who has ever occupied the WH and he has the nerve to say the Rep.are deceptive..Oh I forgot that is the socialist Saul Alinsky way…lie enough times and the people will believe it as the truth. BO is the most dangerous person who has ever been Prez.

Posted by: jollics2 | April 17, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

And who was responisble for the “predatorial lending” that you are railing about? How about Dodd? How about good ol’ Barney Franks?? ———-LOL!!! So Frank and Dodd work at hedge funds now??? LOL!! Do you have a brain in your head?? PRIVATE mortage companies made those bad loans!!!! PRIVATE mortage companies NOT fannie and Freddie!!! dont know that??? gee, it’s only been out for over a year now! STOOGE!!!! STOOGE to fox news that you STILL do not know that Fannie and Freddie did not MAKE bad loans, they bought the securities that were BACKED BY THEM!!!!!!! WHO is responsible for that predatorial lending???? PRIVATE MORTAGE FIRMS and HEDGE FUNDS, that’s who!

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

The first six years of the bush presidency were fine—-LOL!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! When do you think all these mortages were made, there einstien?????? the predatorial mortages had a nice low interest rate for the first four years, THEN they skyrocketed, right around the time the deriviate bets were made to predict the loans would begin to fail. And I see you discount 9.11 were hit during his first term and he got us into two wars he bungles horrendously, “Mission accoplished” did you forget that fiasco??? hey ,I thought the Iraq war was Accomplished all the way backthen! What happened?? Or how about not having the ability to drop water on New orleans. Having americans die of thirst after a hurricane becase you’re off singing and having a grand old time while your countrymen are drowning in the worse hurricane this contitent has ever seen in over a 100 years. Oh yeah, that’s ‘just fine” huh? LOL!!!! These things GOldman did, when did they do them???????? DURING bush’s rein, my dear. Bush was the BIGGEST failure of a president we have ever had, including Hoover, becuase Hoover didn’t have Hoover as an exampel, so all the more shame on bush.

Posted by: the party of no again | April 17, 2010, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

oh by the way , with one year in office the GDP MORE than it has grown in SIX YEARS!!!!!! thank you president Obama.

Posted by: the party of no again | April 17, 2010, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Private enterprise was the basis for the original colonies in America. However in the course of human events it became necessary to dissolve the political bands . . . in order to sustain certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A constitution established to preserve these rights set up our three branches of government with a balance of power. Of the these branches the congress represented the people, especially the lower house of congress (the House of Representatives) which brought statesmen to Washington who represented the constituency in their respective districts.
The private enterprise basis for our origins permitted enterprise to succeed or fail on its own merits, individuals had the same right. But with time greed and politicians itching for power and control became progressive in politick and began establishment of a “big brother”, “nanny state”concept. The populace in ignorance or laziness began to select representation based upon how much federal “deep-pocket” money they could bring to their district. Some in the populace are still holding to this concept others are embracing the Taxed enough Already or TEA Party movement. Although the TEA partiers are being marginalized by the ignorant, the lazy and the greedy the debt situation as declared unsustainable by the head of the bi-partisan Congressional Budget Office supports the grave truth of the situation, the “deep pockets” are empty.
Meanwhile an out-of-step House of Representatives has forgotten that it represents a constituency in small districts back home in favor of representing the president and a political party instead. This leaves the “back home” folks without representation and until now with no choice other than choosing a lesser evil from one of the two (also out-of-step) political parties. However, “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation,” thus the birth of the TEA Party and other synergistic movements to reclaim our nation and our freedom.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | April 17, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Goldman Sachs was able to do the derivatives because the Clinton administration prevented Brooksley Born, CFTC head, from regulating financial derivatives. Google Frontline “The Warning”. I don’t know if Bush made any effort to regulate these toxic derivatives. If the bad loans had never begun…?

Posted by: deanbob | April 17, 2010, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

The private enterprise basis for our origins permitted enterprise to succeed or fail on its own merits—uh uh. ANd that’s why Glass Stegal was repealed and to say such thinking is niave is an understatement. I think stupid is more accurate since we have the experiene of history to show us that to not regulate is akin to saying that stealing and lying in business is legal. Thatis the case right now. You can make a fund with junk, tell your customer it’s investment grade, sellit as such, then as soon as you make your billions selling it, they can bet on your stock that it will fail, which they know it will, because they designed it to fail. Let’s bring this hometo you – you buy a house and the realtor and owners says it’s a sound house, new roof, new furnace, execellent condition. You buy it, and upon buying itk you realize whomever sold it you didn’t really own it and your laywer you hired to research the house was actually being paid bythe guy who sold it to you to lie to you, and when you go the authoriites he tells you this is all prefectly legal and you are at fault for not knowing that the guys knew eachother, that this was a scam and that they took your money and now get out of your house ,it’s not yours. YOu down with that???? YOu need to make lying and dishonesty and fraud actually legal. Goldman is being broughtup on some charges, but the laws are so weak now, that even giving AAA ratings to junk bonds and selling them as investment is NOT illegal. Did you know that? That’s perfectly legal, to blatantly lie to your clients and then take out bets on them that their stock portfolios will fail. You really dont want any laws to regulate this is illegal behavior?? yes insider trading is illegal and this is not??? how do you reconcile that?

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Talk about cynical and deceptive? Lets go over some of Obama’s unkept promises:
1. I will make unemployment the #1 priority of 2010 – he didnt he forced healthcare reform mandates on us (then talks about nukes, then about mars, talk about gay rights anything but unemployment or the economy)…
2. I will not force people to buy health insurance (he is)
3. I will close Guantanamo Bay Prison (he didnt)
4. No family making less than $250,000 will see “any form of tax increase.” April 8th, 2010:
Smokers, tanning aficionados, the happily uninsured: More taxes coming at ya!
5. No more earmarks (an out right lie)
6. No more Patriot Act (nope he supports it now)
7. Will bring our troops home by 16 months (may still happen but very doubtful)
8. Transparency (except for closed door bribes and deals)
9. Obama once said he would not hold terrorists indefinitely. Well, now that he thinks about it, yeah, it’s not a bad idea.
10. During the campaign Obama promised to create 5 Million new jobs in renewable energy. Now Obama’s promising to create 2.5 million new jobs, and only some of them are going to be renewable energy.
11. The Bipartisan Pledge. Except if youre a Republican and you disagree LOL

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

“. I don’t know if Bush made any effort to regulate these toxic derivatives—derivates were even around when Clinton was president. You had 8 years of being in charge. Own that. This fraud happened in bush’s term, the bill to repeal Glass was written by republicans asking for a chance at thier ‘self regulation” theory. andhere you are, blaming democrats for no regulations while republicans RIGHT NOW are trying to block regulation again!Are you saying regulation is good?? then WHY are you a republican???? You cannot be arepublican AND think financial regulations are necessary. Dont you know that??? republican politicians will kick and scream to keep self-regulation no matter that it caused the great depression and caused this. Dont you even know what your own party does???????

Posted by: seroiusly | April 17, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

1. I will make unemployment the #1 priority of 2010 – he didnt he forced healthcare reform mandates on us (then talks about nukes, then about mars, talk about gay rights anything but unemployment or the economy)…
Some people are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. And factually, a huge amount of concentration has been placed on the economy.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Let me get this straight – Republicans want lower taxes, they want a better economy, and claim they want financial regulations. Obama lowered taxes on middle income folks, the GDP grew more this past quarter than in the past six years, and now he’s trying to put forth financial regulatiosn that republicans are once again blocking and he’s charging Goldman Sacs with fraud. excuse me, but isn’t Obama giving republicans everything they claim to want? What exactly is their problem now? The party of whiners, my God! Like a spoiled child.

Posted by: Grand Ol Preschoolers | April 17, 2010, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

is sen. mcconnell suffering from memory lapses? how is it that he doesn’t seem to remember that it was the lack of regulations that brought down our financial markets, which then required the federal government to bail them out? or is it that he wants even tougher regulations, with the giant corporations required to put aside even more money in order to prepare for any future rainy days? if that’s the case, i don’t think that he would be getting any argument from the president or any other democrat.

Posted by: justsane | April 17, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I will make unemployment the #1 priority of 2010—the GDP grew by 5.7%, biggest growth in 6 years. He passed the stimulus bill before he went after heatlhcare and job situation went from LOSING over 600.000 jobs PERMONTH when he walked into office to job GROWTH of 140,000+ Jobs last quarter. HeDID make the economy his first priority as evidenced by it turning around COMPLETELY in just one year!

Posted by: Grand Ol' Preschoolers | April 17, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Lets not forget under Bush we had 5 to 6% steady unemployment for much of those 8 years including the World Trade Center toppling over and the Wall Street stock market crash. Obama has no real disaster of his own to deal with, slathered banks (BANKS and the richest entities in the world!!!) insurance and car companies with billions of dollars because they claimed to need money! Obama so far has given us a new bill to pay in the mail someday and 14 months of steady 8 to 10% unemployment!!!! To top it all off he didnt even end the war and bring our troops home. They still languish in Afghanistan – human targets for bullets and bombs. Our children. Yet he had the nerve to accept the peace prize!

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Senator McConnell should take that as a compliment, coming as it does from a man who knows so much about being cynical and deceptive.

Posted by: SocialstsNeverProsper | April 17, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Sorry you can believe liberal Obama administration lies – I choose to believe the numbers.
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Yes, but your logic is dumb. When Obama stepped into office major banks and financial institutions had just collapsed under Bush, over 700,000 people were losing their job every month under Bush, major american auto companies were failing under Bush, the stock market had crashed under Bush . . . and on and on . ..

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Lets not forget under Bush —the predatorial lending was going on hog wild. wallstreet created derivates and were betting against banks. The economy was a bubble. A Huge mirage of lies. A bubble, and when it went pop. when Obmaa walked in the door, we had OVER 600.000 layoffs PER MONTH unemployment going up a percent PER MONTH!!!! Proof isin the pudding. 600.000 layoffs PER MONTH and unemployment gong up a percent PER MONTH!!!! THAT is the culminatoin of Bush’s terms. PLUS his tax cuts for the rich sent hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas as there were, of course, no regulations on WHERE that money was invested, so it was invested OVERSEAS to create offshore companies to move out manufacturing to up profit for CEO’s. Obama tax cuts are for doing something that results in job CREATION> Bush’s tax cuts were for nothing, no strings attached, again, republican theory of no strings, no regulatiosn on business. WHY would businesses invest in themselves here??? WHY??? China is growing at 11%? Our GDP was shrinking. WHY put up a factory here when you can pay someone .50 cents a week in china??? WHY???? answer – you wouldn’t. If you get a tax cut with no strings you WOULD invest it in china, and they did, hand over fist, during bush’s term. Agains BAD IDEAS = republican economic theory. Obama’s tax cuts are for doing something that CREATES a job or is linked to creating a job HERE. THAT is why the GDP HERE grew by 5.7% last quarter, because those are GOOD ideas. Cons should be saying THANK YOU to obama!

Posted by: Party of Preschoolers | April 17, 2010, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Yes, but your logic is dumb. When Obama stepped into office major banks and financial institutions had just collapsed under Bush, over 700,000 people were losing their job every month —–Forbes magazine has a lay off tracker. Publish those numbers. Layoffs under bush went from 20,000 per month to 40,000 to 100,000 to 200,000 to 600,000—then Obama came in, from 600,000+ a month to 300,000 to 200,000 to 40,000 to 20,000 to 10,000 then we went to job GROWTH last quarter of Jobs CREATED 140,000+!!!!!! It’s akin to a something flying at 600 miles per hour and hit the breaks. Doesthe car stop instanenously, or does it skid for a while? We were skidding this past year, but last quarter, we stopped, and the car was put in reverse and Obama started to drive it back.

Posted by: Party of Preschoolers | April 17, 2010, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

tierra: NO! Wrong!!!! The Obama and Bush had and have the same financial advisors! “Dr” Bernanke, Paulson, Geithner and Barney Frank (all former Goldman Sachs or with close relationships to Goldman) and it was THEIR idea and still their idea to make secret deals and throw all this money around via the Fed. Nothing collapsed! It was a sham! Obama was just fine with bailouts of AIG, GM, Bank of America etc. These huge banks and companies (who own more assets, loans and property) than anyone else in the WORLD saw GWB give us all a stimulus check April 2008 (remember he said go shopping) and the banks and car companies realized they could hide their OWN money cry broke and our govermnment would break open the piggy bank and give them money too. Meanwhile you have people like Barney Frank (in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac) bundling the bad mortgages they wrote (like the person who makes $30,000 who bought a $6 million dollar house) into these MBS (mortgage backed securities) so that their pals at Goldman Sachs- could play the suckers who bought MBS against the people on the stock market who bet on them to fail! Goldman’s chief lobbyist even worked for Barney Frank!

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

There’s so much polarizing rhetoric today it’s difficult for me to think of USA as the “United” States of America anymore. I think the source of the problem is really a generational divide vs. an ethnic, religious, left-right philosophical divide. The Boomers are the elder generation now since their parents -the Vets of WW2- have largely died. The Boomers in power today are a living conundrum: they’re the ones who inherited the prosperity their parents built and squandered it on self-indulgent excess and toys. They’re the ones who took American free enterprise overseas to make more money for themselves. They’re the ones who abandoned the traditional family and replaced it with free love and day care centers raising children. And they’re also the ones running Washington now. So, the ones who squandered it all are the ones calling the shots on how to fix it now, and that’s really unfortunate for Gen X, Gen Y and Millennials, because the Boomers are about to change from the “me” generation to the “was” generation as they try to retire or die off. I think we boomers ought to be asking Gen X, Gen Y and yes, even K-12 millennials what they think we should do to prepare a united USA for them vs. continuing our self-indulgent rhetoric and posturing. My rationale: if we don’t start being kind to those who will have to be benevolent to us in our old age, we may just really reap what we’ve sown and discover that euthanasia is the new sacrament for aging boomer Mom and Dad and that secular society has authorized this sacrament as their entitlement to eliminate unprofitable capital expenditures. Now THAT would definitely reduce that 62 trillion dollar debt we boomers rang up to pass as our torch to the next generation(s).

Posted by: Rob | April 17, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Bush’s fault, Bush’s fault.
Oh how we forget it was the policies of Obama and Barney Frank who cause the finacial melt down to begin with. AKA, Insisiting that people who could not afford homes get government insured loans.

Posted by: wiseone | April 17, 2010, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Yes we all know how famous Fannie and Freddie Mae are for writing ‘good’ mortgages. Seriously! What kind of a moron defends them??? Pardon me while I LOOOOOL – Its comical. They disguised these bad MBS and called them something else. Do you think anyone is going to buy MBS called the Fannie and Freddie Mae loan special? So are you telling me that Barney Frank (Fannie and Freddie) werent aware of the ratings of loans – for billions of dollars in MBS? You mean to tell me we are expected to believe that the people who perpetrated this billion-dollar fraud were simply not well informed? Goldman Sachs was charged with fraud for claiming an independent third party rated the loans. If they lied about the loans being rated by someone third party (as good) it implies even more they knew they were bad.

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

The chosen one thinks he can pass anything now since he took over healthcare.
LOL, I read an article where people were asking about their “free” healthcare. Bwahahahahahahaha

Posted by: wiseone | April 17, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I thought his focus was supposed to be on jobs???
How is that working out?

Posted by: wiseone | April 17, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Just because someone didnt get caught with their hand in the cookie jar (yet)! Doesnt mean they didnt do anything wrong. Anyone who thinks banks and car companies needed money (when they fleeced us all and our parents for loans, mortgages and payments for decades) ought to have their head examined. Face it – they were all in on it – all those in Washington – regardless of party republican or democrat.

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Ed Taylor wrote: “Private enterprise was the basis for the original colonies in America.” +++++ Actually, the initial colonies more resembled a communist enterprise that a private one. Required food sharing, etc. was standard and required to for the initial inhabitants to survive. Many of the individuals who would normally have set up private-enterprise operations [blacksmiths, roofers, carpenters, potters, etc.] had agreed before leaving Europe to contribute a certain amount of work for the good of the public enterprise of establishing the colony.

Posted by: The_Mick | April 17, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

… Today, Obama countered, “We’re going to put in place new rules so that big banks and financial institutions will pay for the bad decisions they make …

No, the laws are being written to give regulators authority to stop risk. But regulators are subject to the whims of their bosses, and can be discouraged and fooled. We need real laws, like Glass-Steagall, not the jokes that congress is making.

Posted by: ProfElwood | April 17, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

I thought his focus was supposed to be on jobs???
How is that working out?
Posted by: wiseone | Apr 17, 2010 3:34:03 PM
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Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Are you talking about all the Republicans who opposed the Jobs Bill?

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Tierra: Again with the walk and chew gum thing – we have had 8 to 10% unemployment for the last 14 months – the flavor of that gum is long gone- its time to buy a new pack of gum. Thats not growth, its not a recovery, its just BS on the part of the Obama administration – all but the looniest of lefties know its just not true- especially if they have no job and cant find one!

Posted by: superminority | April 17, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Thats not growth, its not a recovery
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You again same unaware of the economic mess left by the Bush administration. Major banks and financial institutions collapsing, 700,000 people losing their job every month, the stock market crashed, american auto companies collapsing, foreclosures and bankruptcies through the roof.
The worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.
Did you miss that? Are you not one of the millions that lost their jobs because of that collapse?

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Rob: I am a Boomer too, at 61, and I don’t really care to be written off as a worthless wastrel, or part of a no-good selfish generation. I own and operate a small business. I have raised a family of step children and put most of them through college. I still have my parents, thankfully, and I don’t plan on squandering any money I inherit from them on toys, fancy houses or other “excesses”. The Boomers were a very large generation, and totally diverse. Hence you have folks like me who grew up with grandparents who loved and revered Franklin Roosevelt and believed he had helped them survive the Depression and WWII. Then are the Tea Party folks. They obviously grew up with different values and ideals. I truly resent the implication that I am now on the trash heap of life, when I still employ 10 people full time and do my level best to a contributing member of society.

Posted by: Phoenix lady | April 17, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

I thought his focus was supposed to be on jobs???
Posted by: wiseone | Apr 17, 2010 3:34:03 PM
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Are you talking about all the Republicans who didn’t support the Jobs Bill?

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

superminority | Apr 17, 2010 3:10:08 PM
GWB inherited a budget surplus, turned it into a 1,3 Trillion deficit. Took over a 4,8% unemployment rate, left at 10.1% before the 1st Obama budget. The crisis started in 2007 under Bush, peaked late 2009, now receding. The question here is : Should you believe Mitch McConnell and his bank friends as to how to prevent a future meltdown? Paulson believed the “Big 13 Banks” in 2005 when regulating the very same “derivatives” that brought the system down was discussed, and then weren’t…

Posted by: treblig56 | April 17, 2010, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Mr Obama seems to show signs of being a “megalomaniac” these dayz.
“One way or the other, we(Obama/Reid/Pelosi) will move forward”.
This means more secrecy, back room deals and arm-twisting to get the “President’s” way before November.
The Republicans are not the Party of “NO”, they now have become the Party of “Let’s do this correctly” and they AND the American people are being ignored.
The last time the Democrats held the Presidency-the Senate-the House was during the Carter ERA.
Remember how bad that turned out?

Posted by: Chris Petty | April 17, 2010, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

The_Mick apparently never heard of the London Company,the shareholder entity that set up Jamestown.It was as communist as the Wall Street Journal.Where is the evidence for your statement?The religious colonies may have had some cooperative aspects, but most of the early colonists tended to be of the English middle class or second sons of the wealthy who would not inherit estates.Required food sharing only came after famine and starvation-it was John Smith’s “work or don’t eat” edict that helped save Jamestown.Colonists came to America to make money-aside from the religious refugees most assumed that they could strike it rich and go back to England.It was precisely to furnish the workers that you mentioned that voluntary servitude became an option.The only agreement those individuals made was to be servants for usually 7 years.Aside from Jamestown,what public enterprise established a colony in British America?

Posted by: Nephron | April 17, 2010, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

The Republicans are not the Party of “NO”, they now have become the Party of “Let’s do this correctly”
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Nonsense. The Republicans have had no other tactic but smear and fear, oppose everything and attempt to demonize the Democrats – same as you’re doing.
Have you totally forgotten the complete, megalomaniac secrecy and lies of the Bush/Cheney Republicans?
Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Posted by: SocialstsNeverProsper | Apr 17, 2010 3:15:49 PM: Just want to comment on your NAME: Let’s see who are the highest ranking countries on the Human development Index, taking into account: Income, health, education, safety, social peace…. In order; Norway, Australia, Iceland, Canada, Ireland, Netherlands, Sweden, France,
Switzerland, Japan, Luxembourg, Finland
United States. Yup, them socialists really suffering here…

Posted by: treblig56 | April 17, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

A “government-take over” health care?
Barring insurance companies from excluding people with a pre-existing condition and requiring people to carry basic insurance to ensure the rest of us don’t get stuck paying for their medical bills is hardly tantamount to a total government takeover. Republicans’ only interest is to deny the president legislative achievements.

Posted by: BlueDem1 | April 17, 2010, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

GWB also inherited 911/IKE/KATRINA as well as a dis-mantled CIA that was responsible for mis-information on Iraq.
The Clinton Administration ignored the terrorist threats and actually declared Osama(not Obama) to “not be a threat to the US”.
Not to mention the Economy didn’t crash until the Dems took back Congress in 2006.
THEY spend the money…NOT the President!

Posted by: Chris Petty | April 17, 2010, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

“Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were victims, not culprits
Posted by: Aaron Pressman on September 26, 2008
There’s a dangerous — and misleading — argument making the rounds about the causes of our current credit crisis. It’s emanating from Washington where politicians are engaging in the usual blame game but this time the stakes are so high that we can’t afford to fall victim to political doublespeak. In this fact-free zone, government sponsored mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac caused the real estate bubble and subprime meltdown. It’s completely false. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were victims of the credit crisis, not culprits.
Start with the most basic fact of all: virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie. That’s right — most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s strict lending standards. All those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans? All the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history? All made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
Look at the numbers. While the credit bubble was peaking from 2003 to 2006, the amount of loans originated by Fannie and Freddie dropped from $2.7 trillion to $1 trillion. Meanwhile, in the private sector, the amount of subprime loans originated jumped to $600 billion from $335 billion and Alt-A loans hit $400 billion from $85 billion in 2003. Fannie and Freddie, which wouldn’t accept crazy floating rate loans, which required income verification and minimum down payments, were left out of the insanity”—–
From Business Week Magazine Sept 26, 2008, google the title they dont let me put up the link. Take the title from this article and just google it.

Posted by: Seriously | April 17, 2010, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

A “government-take over” health care?—when it became a requirement to have autoinsurance I dont recall the calls of socialism then. Do tell me the difference? slackers have been passing on their medical bills ot all of us who have healthinsurance so that’s going to stop and save hospitals a bundle in unpaid bills they keep passing onto us who have insurnace as well as our businesses that offer our plans. This a good thing for business. This is exactly like auto insurance. The doctors, hospitals, insruance ocmpanies are all privately owned. the only government owned healthcare is the VA and never have I heard a single con say that vets should have privatized healthcare. why not? If it’s some holy grail of the anitchrist, why is it good enough for our soldiers? oh, and they happento like it. But to our helathcare system, it’s 100% private. only the slackers now have to get insurnace instead of being freeloadrs because the honor system of pyaing your own bills broke down just as it did with car insurance where we all have to get it now, so stop your drama.

Posted by: seriously | April 17, 2010, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

GWB also inherited 911—9/11 happened one montht afte bush had a memo i nhis hand that said Terrorist determined to attack inside the US will use planes as missles and he did NOTHING!!! Never called the CIA 9/11 was 100% bush’s fault, so was the people dying in Katrina. bush was at a concert for God’s sake, while a cat 5 hurricane was hitting his country!! inexcusable.

Posted by: sseriously | April 17, 2010, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Obama frames EVERYTHING he does as a HUGE CRISIS. We are in such a DIRE situation that we must immediately pass HIS ideas right now with no time to fine-tune the legislation and get it right (which would mean time to weed out his pork & other special favors). Pass it RIGHT NOW, or else you’re an obstructionist and a “cynic.” Just hearing his voice makes me want to projectile vomit!

Posted by: AJ | April 17, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

AJ: If you have that much hatred and high strung emotion against the president, why should it be assumed you would promote rational, positive solutions? Sounds like a grudge match to me, just like the Republican Party as a whole. For eight years they did nothing about health care except throw a bone to seniors for prescription drygs. and, I might add, they put that on their charge card. They always promote “free enterprise”, meaning big businesses are free to dump on the rest of us. If President Obama makes you want to hurl, then you know how we feel listening to Palin, Bachmann, Beck, Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh!

Posted by: Phoenix lady | April 17, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

And if anyone knows cynical and deceptive, it’s Barack Obama.

Posted by: creeper | April 17, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Yes, he’s SMART enough to know it when he sees it!

Posted by: Phoenix lady | April 17, 2010, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Apparently he’s not smart enough to “see” this Nov. or 2012 coming!

Posted by: AJ | April 17, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

When the President first announced his proposed reform, he clearly stated that the banks would have to fund a bankruptcy rescue amount of $50Billion. He also said that if more than that were needed, the federal government (aka taxpayers) would supply the rest.
THAT is why Senator McConnell is correctly stating the the reform as described by the president himself would lead to more taxpayer-supported bailouts.
Or are any of you so naive as to think that $50billion will be enough if even one or two of these big banks goes into bankruptcy?

Posted by: malcat | April 17, 2010, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Obama has mastered the art of cynical
and deceptive tactics. That is the pot
calling the kettle black.

Posted by: wis134 | April 17, 2010, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

This president attacks anyone who disagrees with him. His attacks are childish and un-presidential. The CBO projects his policies will increase the deficit by 9.7 Trillion over the next decade. This is more than all presidents combined since Washington. He needs to focus on cost cutting and deficit reduction instead of his attacks on everyone who disagrees with his policy.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

In his address, President Obama said he hopes to leave the politics aside so that Democrats and Republicans can work together. But he also indicated that he would move forward without Republicans support, if need be.
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I just love how President Obama encourages bi-partisanship. “Do it my way or else.”
Just like the health insurance reform mess. Let’s hope this time someone will read the darn thing!

Posted by: malcat | April 17, 2010, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

I just love how President Obama encourages bi-partisanship. “Do it my way or else.”
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Nonsense. Have you forgotten the number of Republican amendments that went into the health bill?

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

This president attacks anyone who disagrees with him. His attacks are childish and un-presidential.
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Hah. What a joke. The Republican right attacks the President and the Democrats for EVERYTHING they do!
Talk about disagreeable, childish and unfitting for government.

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

HERE WE COME NOVEMBER!!! MUWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: HA! | April 17, 2010, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

So let’s see. The banks and the Republicans are against President Obama’s financial reform plan because they have the best interest of the nation at heart?
For anyone who believes that, I own a lovely, only slightly used bridge. It connects Manhattan and Brooklyn. I have the deed and everything. Really, trust me.

Posted by: katahdin | April 17, 2010, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

No Darth Vader and the bush family are the ones that are megalomaniacs. I hear about how Bush protected us from terrorist attack but he did not, other than home grown Timothy McVeigh terrorist and 9/11 The bush administration did nothing to stop terrorism but take away our rights with the patriot act. JMO Talk about hurry hurry we must act now.The biggest grab of our personal freedoms ever.Oh yes invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 was the thing to do. NOT

Posted by: hal | April 17, 2010, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Obama has been the most partisan president ever. He gives lip service to bi-partisanship only. His idea of a compromise is to agree with him 100% This is not what he promised to the public. Government is growing at an ever faster rate with the only growth area in jobs coming to public not private sector jobs. At this stage we would be better off if congress took a one year recess, at least less harm would be done.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

The era of blaming Bush is over. The Senate and the House has been in Democratic control for over 3 years! As to the Iraq war, both democrats and republicans had the same intelligence and the war based on what was known at the time was supported by both Clintons, John Kerry etc. So please recognize that you 20/20 vision of the past to blame only Bush is disingenuous and unsupported by the facts. Based on what we know now I also wish we had gone into Iraq, but it was reasonable at the time.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

We MUST do this NOW!!
It’s a crisis.
Just like ObamaCare had to be passed NOW because people are dying.
But they won’t get the full benefits for 4 years.
Just like the stimulus had to be passed right away–even though most of it still hasn’t been spent.
This is why Obama has no credibility.
He has cried wolf too many times.

Posted by: fran | April 17, 2010, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

The Mad Hatter Tea Party fake populist line is finally wearing thin. In November, the American people will chose between pro-Wall Street big bank candidates or those willing to protect working folks who actually goods and services. Of course, Dems will manage to screw up the message by that time.

Posted by: B.Bear | April 17, 2010, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

This administration is intent on quashing any deviation from their message, any opposition to their actions or any reflection on the results. They expect everyone to adhere to the narrow and partisan leftist agenda. Like it or not, despite this administrations co-opting of the media, we still have the freedom to express our doubts and publicly oppose the actions taken by an administration that seem far more intent in bouying up the political aspirations for a few conniving politicians over the general welfare of the MAJORITY of the population. I can’t wait until November. Remember in November.

Posted by: Ellen K | April 17, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

The era of blaming Bush is over.
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Tell that to the millions still unemployed or who lost their homes under the economic collapse after 6 years of Republican economic policy and Bush.
Tell that to the parents who lost their children to the war in Iraq, only to hear Bush joke about how maybe the weapons of mass destruction were actually hidden under his desk . . .

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

McConell’s a doufus.

Posted by: Jim Bob | April 17, 2010, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

tierra – You can tell that to the democratic congress that has been in power for years. Tell it to Barney Frank who said Freddie and Fannie were solid. Have Clinton and Kerry tell the parents of the boys who lost kids the same thing. You bash Bush because you talk talk issues or the reality of the democrats in power. Obama is running this economy into the ground and it will get worse if people like you don’t wake up to reality.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Tell that to the parents who lost their children to the war in Iraq, only to hear Bush joke about how maybe the weapons of mass destruction were actually hidden under his desk . . .
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The ‘presidential’ nature of Republicans . . .

Posted by: tierra | April 17, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

We out here in the prairies and marshlands are very amused whenever Obama calls anyone else “cynical and deceptive.”

Posted by: EJM | April 17, 2010, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Why set aside $50B if we’re not going to bail out anyone? Why not articulate McConnell’s concerns and lay out why he thinks the legislation would enable bailouts? The people running the financial mess when it crashed under Bush are running the current system. Why? Gheitner was head of the NY Fed and did nothing while all this happened right under his nose. The derivatives weren’t a secret and Gheitner, Moody’s, SEC, S&P and others did nothing. What is in this legislation that is different than already exists. You can’t say they will have better visibility because they can already see anything they want. Pretty simple questions that go unanswered and Obama’s sheep go “bah, bah, bah…” and the press continues to see Obama through rose colored glasses.

Posted by: Gwen | April 17, 2010, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Nonsense. Have you forgotten the number of Republican amendments that went into the health bill?
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You mean all those that were also wanted by one or more Democrats…are those the ones you are talking about?
Must be, because there is nothing in the reform that was not wanted by a Democrat and there was nothing removed that a Democrat did not want removed.
There was no valid attempt at bi-partisanship from the President or Democratic leadership.
I bought into that for 14 months. I don’t like being lied to; and the President lied…over and over and over.

Posted by: malcat | April 17, 2010, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

For those of you that that Bush thought lives being lost in Iraq was a joke, get beyond the Michael Moore bull. You may not like his politics but he was a very sincere president that deeply cares for his country.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

“Wow, Repukes against reform…what a surprise.”
Want to share what you think is in this reform that doesn’t already exist in current legislation? I didn’t think so. It’s much easier to make business look evil and play the “I’m so helpless, I need the gov’t…I’m a victim” card. That card runs a close second to the racist card. The lib strategy is since Obama is getting so hard to defend, play either card if you are incapable of articulating an argument of support.

Posted by: Gwen | April 17, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Why would Senator McConnell meet with top Wallstreet executive first? Doesn’t that tell you something? The Republicans wants to sabotage this reform by meeting with those that are against the reform in the first place. Republicans are not representing the majority of americans. They are against hard working americans who tried to save money for their retirement. They only represent the corrupt wallstreet executives.

Posted by: mambojam | April 17, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

“The president said that if things remain unchanged in the financial system, “we’ll doom ourselves” to repeat the last financial crisis.” They said this in 1998 when they bailed out the hedge funds. And sure enough it happened again a decade later. Pass this reform bill and don’t vote Republican this November.

Posted by: mambojam | April 17, 2010, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

This is only the beginning. There is more to come. President Obama has just begun to fight. As soon as wall street reforms are set in place. Then President Obama will go after the Bush Crime Family.

Posted by: cony647 | April 17, 2010, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Why set aside $50B if we’re not going to bail out anyone?
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Try puzzling it out, step by step… think aloud for us.It would be amusing to see what trips you up and whether you have any clue what’s in the legislation.
Good grief, for people that claim to value independence and thinking for oneself, you all need everything spoonfed to ya, which is why you’re so easily duped by the fearmongerers who use you.
lol.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

The era of blaming Bush is over.
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Its a mistake not to learn from history, and repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

I just love how President Obama encourages bi-partisanship. “Do it my way or else.”
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Bipartisanship is a waste of time given the modern Republican party. They have no credibility, ideas, or solutions– and only a couple of reps and senators worth keeping in Congress and working with– though I understand they do have a few aides who know their stuff
I agree that the President should just drop it. It irritates the heck out of his base– and the people who vote Republican don’t give him any credit for trying to reach out despite how stupid their ideology and rhetoric has gotten.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Progressive, in your world we will become more like France with traditionally high unemployment and a larger divide between the haves and the have nots. The middle class will suffer and the American Dream will die. You need to learn from history. The progressive path is a slow path towards socialism and loss of individual freedoms.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

Obama lowered taxes on middle income folks, the GDP grew more this past quarter than in the past six years, and now he’s trying to put forth financial regulatiosn that republicans are once again blocking and he’s charging Goldman Sacs with fraud. excuse me, but isn’t Obama giving republicans everything they claim to want? What exactly is their problem now? The party of whiners, my God! Like a spoiled child.
Posted by: Grand Ol Preschoolers | Apr 17, 2010 3:07:39 PM
Their problem is that they mouth rhetoric they don’t understand. It makes them feel cool or something– they pretend to have some sort of cohesive set of principles. But the rhetoric never meets up with reality. Conservative stands for conserving the status quo when it comes to power and wealth– their motivation (and anger) is derived from fear and greed. That’s the bottom line– and its been like that for at least 20 or 30 years, likely longer (I recall talking all about Reagan’s four pillars during current events back in high school, but also about how he actually grew government and the deficit and was basically full of baloney )

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Another load of crapola from the comedian-in-chief. Ironic that the golden boy himself should claim someone else is being “cynical and deceptive” when he himself as taken those traits to astronomical new heights.

Posted by: formerdem | April 17, 2010, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Want to share what you think is in this reform that doesn’t already exist in current legislation? I didn’t think so. It’s much easier to make business look evil and play the “I’m so helpless, I need the gov’t…I’m a victim” card. That card runs a close second to the racist card. The lib strategy is since Obama is getting so hard to defend, play either card if you are incapable of articulating an argument of support.
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Sorry Gwen, this is not brain surgery. How about one word…transparency. I don’t know why anyone would object to that, especially when it’s your money and future on the line…

Posted by: Frank | April 17, 2010, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

I’m sure you know what you are talking about here but I don’t. It’s sounds to me like you have bought in to the mythical Obama strawman that doesn’t want anything in their life to change but I know you aren’t that gullible. Surely there is more going on here than just wanting to feel morally superior to another group of people.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Apr 17, 2010 2:30:01 PM
Lets review.
I’m for financial reform.
I’m not beholden to the Dems but I think the Republican party is void of credibility and good ideas so in national elections I tend to vote Democrat.
I think Congress in general– both parties– are beholden to special interests, and I work to find candidates who aren’t in that vein.
In my humble opinion, of the choices during both the Dem primary and general election, Obama had the least experience, and the fewest long term ties with special interests.
I also like him as a person– but I liked the Bushes–W and Laura and their kids– too despite being horrified by Bush’s policies, politics and lack of finesse on the world stage, and protesting his wars.
I say, in a nutshell, that I’m glad financial reform is moving forward despite Obama’s contributions from Goldman Sachs and the financial industry and the fact that Dems are in hock to Wall Street. They’re obviously not courting Wall Street in lockstep as the Republicans appear to be doing at the moment.
I suggest your logic is as goofy as John Boehner’s.
You say, stand by your man despite his being “corrupt” and suggest you’d rather have nothing done because of past contributions.
Sounds to me like you’re representing for the status quo and being against just to be against or be partisan– which is easier than actually being for something and pushing for it.
And you offer nothing besides contributions to back up an accusation of corruption– contributions from folks AGAINST the financial reform Obama is pushing.
And you’re right, there’s no need to project the wanting to feel morally superior to me. If I wanted to be sanctimonious, I’d use a different approach but, truth be told, I find self-righteousness pretty darned boring.
I just don’t want the country to slip backwards again– and I do think the GOP is backwards-thinking (and that financial reform is important, even though it won’t be everything I’d want it to be.)

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Obama has been deceiving the country and the morons in the press since day one. He has no business calling anyone else on the planet deceptive! He is simply a thug!!!

Posted by: YankeeI | April 17, 2010, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

“The GDP grew more this past quarter than in 6 years”. The Pelosi/Reid?Obama regime has cut the legs out of small and mid-size business to the point that there was no where to go but up. Unemployment is soaring as a result of a failed “stimulus” bill that stimulated nothing except for the pocket books of the friends of the democratic party. The economy will rebound somewhat in spite of the failed policies, but the crushing debt spells trouble for the future i.e. in 2 to 4 years. Obama never had to balance a budget for even a small business and therein lies the problem.

Posted by: Aymond | April 17, 2010, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

progressive mama…
well said, time to move forward

Posted by: Frank | April 17, 2010, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

n your world, why aren’t the Democrats reinstating Glass Steagall?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Apr 17, 2010 1:36:39 PM
Good question. The Volcker rule (called Glass Steagall in spirit, updated for the present market) would ban trading not done on behalf of a commercial bank’s customers, and that is something the President supports. I’m glad the President said, “I will veto legislation that does not bring the derivatives market under control in some sort of regulatory framework that assures that we don’t have the same kind of crisis that we have seen in the past.”

Posted by: progressive mama | April 17, 2010, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

“I’m glad the President said, ‘I will veto legislation that does not bring the derivatives market under control in some sort of regulatory framework that assures that we don’t have the same kind of crisis that we have seen in the past.’”
“He (the President) promised a lot of things.” – Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Publius | April 17, 2010, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

I have to laugh when I hear the right wing cult say Obama can now longer blame Bush. 10 years later they are still blaming clinton for stuff and I heard a guy on here the other day blaming Carter.

Posted by: dylan | April 17, 2010, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Obama down another 5 points in the polls today. Now sitting at a -17% approval index. Just keep up the dumb = anti-economy work Obummer… you are guaranteeing all those white folks running for democratic seats in the fall will be thrown out!

Posted by: clr | April 17, 2010, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

The $50 Billion “set aside” would be a pool paid into by banks that want to play. Not taxpayer cash… bank profits.
Ohh wait, you wanted to have something to scream at Obama for.. my bad, back to your faulty reasoning.

Posted by: DewyB | April 17, 2010, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

The Whole Truth and nothing but the truth——YES, the republicans have always had greed and corruption among their ranks but have no doubt, the democrats under Obama have become totally stark raving mad with their power hunger. They are Machiavellian to the core and if we are not careful will lead us directly into Marxism at a very rapid pace. Vote the democrats out but be very careful about trusting the republicans for they have members like Graham, McCain and the lot who are also power hungry and will sell out Americans for their friends in the energy and agriculture business(illegal workers-cheap labor). Just wake up folks to the massive corruption in Washington and vote the bums out-whatever flavor they disguise themselves in.

Posted by: rockychance | April 17, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Common sense reforms? …..Here’s some analysis of the bill that the President is talking about………………”First, the bill contains a $50 billion fund for resolution of systemically risky institutions. The bill allows a 2/3 vote of the Financial Stability Oversight Council to deem any firm (financial or non-financial) as coming under its rubric and then authorizes the FDIC and Treasury Secretary to treat each of the firm’s shareholders and creditors as they choose, WITHOUT REGARD to bankruptcy LAW. Second, the bill gives the Treasury and the FDIC authority to grant an UNLIMITED number of LOAN guarantees to systemically risky institutions……….and here’s the kicker………….No Congressional authorization or appropriation is required. Third, the bill gives the Fed the authority to fund any “program” to assist these institutions accepting as collateral anything it deems appropriate.” WOW…..the plan is to bypass Congress and delegate authority to the Executive Branch to spend taxpayer money as they see fit!!!! Yeah, this is a great improvement. Now we won’t even see when they ROB US BLIND!!!

Posted by: MLM411 | April 17, 2010, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Democrats need to stop being so polite. Republicans lie .. say it straight out. They are lying cowards with nothing to offer America except lies. The Confederate cabal of Shelby and McConnell are white supremacists that just hate to see a black man in the office of Presidency and they will reside in the gutters to bring this country down. Democrats need to step up the rhetoric and answer honestly and directly to all the lies spoken by Republicans in Congress and their propagandists on TV and talk radio. All patriotic Americans must take a stand, just like we did in 2008 and vote to silence these politicians that only know hate and lies … they can not be allowed to take the reigns of power again.

Posted by: afmcalax | April 17, 2010, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

What? You mean Republicans are just playing politics because they’re power-mad? Never!

Posted by: jake | April 17, 2010, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Nice Obama two-step today. Slam the Republicans as “deceptive” for calling the $50 billion fund in the reform bill a slush fund to finance future bailouts, while instructing fellow Democrats to strip that provision from the bill. I guess that’s the closest he can come to admitting the Republicans were right.

Posted by: Ken | April 17, 2010, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

If the President says veggies are good for you, Republican idiots will say he is lying they are poison. All these policies are common sense. All the namecalling and rhetoric shows you got some issues about the Pres that go beyond just politics.

Posted by: thatswhatuget | April 17, 2010, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Obama snubbed the Georgian President at the Nuke summit to let Russia know, the US would not interfere; Obama has offended nearly all our allies; angered the middle class; plunged us into horrible debt; nationalized our health care; place perverts in charge of our education system; and lied and lied and lied. Obama is a pure unaldulterated LIAR.

Posted by: buffetking | April 17, 2010, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

clr | Apr 17, 2010 8:30:51 PM: — Actually, Real Clear Politics has him at an average of +0.3 and even the conservative leaning Rasmussen has him at only -9 while CBS/NYTimes has him at +10. So exactly which polls are you citing?
And ABC, You’ve now taken this factual statement down twice. Would you please explain why citation supported facts are not allowed and random baseless claims are?

Posted by: JustTheFacts | April 17, 2010, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

From a news article on 4/14/2010: “The bill is also supposed to prevent future bailouts by giving the Treasury Department power to force failing banks into bankruptcy. It would create a $50 billion fund, financed by the banks themselves, to cover the bankruptcies”
The article goes on to say: “The bill says that costs over the $50 billion will be covered by the Treasury.”
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Please explain how the above statements can be construed as anything other than federal tax dollars will be used to cover the costs of banks that are FORCED into bankruptcy by this new agency.
Senator McConnell is telling the truth; and President Obama is being hypocritical by saying Senator McConnell’s arguments are “cynical and deceptive”.
Now those of you who continue to believe the president can do no wrong can remain blind; but there are a lot of us who see his faults and will hold him and the Democratic Party accountable.
I’ve tried to give President Obama every benefit of the doubt. But each time he lied, or attacked those who opposed him, or just plain failed to to carry through has shrunk my confidence.
There isn’t much left now, and I’ve a feeling it’s about to take another drop.

Posted by: malcat | April 17, 2010, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Obama calling others cynical ?! Talk about chutzpah !

Posted by: Ron | April 17, 2010, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Give the conservatives “hell”, Mr. President!

Posted by: tstorm | April 17, 2010, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

his is GREAT ! Ok – Let’s let this reform bill go to Filibuster and put this on C-Span day and night for a month – Let’s make a NATIONAL SPORT out of watching the Republican Party defend Wall Street against financial reform !
Let it go on and on and on – deep into the August Heat !
Let’s do this ! NOW !

Posted by: PulSamsara | April 17, 2010, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Buffetking: I am a member of the middle class, the last time I checked, and I am not “angered” by President Obama. I am angered by people who distort and twist everything he does to fit their own narrow viewpoint of the world. A lot of us happen to think he is a pretty strong president. He fights when he has to, and negotiates when he can. He shakes up the status quo when it is getting us nowhere. He tries to improve the lives of all Americans, even yours. You’ll get your chance to try to drag him down at the ballot box, but you won’t get anywhere with me.

Posted by: Phoenix lady | April 17, 2010, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

I love how it’s called attacking when the President finally begins to call some people on their rhetoric.

Posted by: secondlook | April 18, 2010, 2:08 am 2:08 am

So on the one hand, Obama puts into play the same type of legislation that will cause havoc in the health care industry and on the other he wants to “fix” another industry whose problems are primarily caused by government action?

Posted by: wantingbalance | April 18, 2010, 8:10 am 8:10 am

A common characteristic of a narcissist is failing to relate to others.

Posted by: LongT | April 18, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Timothy Geithner on MTP, giving some positive spin (with subtext) on the tea party (h/t Washington Monthly’s Political Animal):
“We’ve just been through eight years where people said — many people said, ‘Deficits don’t matter. We can pass huge tax cuts, pass huge new programs without paying for them.’ That debate has changed fundamentally. Now you don’t hear people say anymore, ‘Deficits don’t matter.’ You don’t hear people saying that we can pass enormous expansion of government without paying for it. That’s an important change. I think all Americans understand that our deficits are unsustainable. And I think that’ll be helpful as we move to try to make the hard choices to bring them down again.”
Now if we could get the goofbombs on the right wing of the political spectrum to be serious about financial reform and try, for once, to live up to their fiscal responsibility claims.

Posted by: progressive mama | April 18, 2010, 10:09 am 10:09 am

It is very obvious that Sen. McConnell is on the side of the banking industry and not on the taxpayer’s side. If he truly was objecting to the bill because of loopholes he would state the specific loopholes and suggest way to close them. Instead he just says no to the entire bill. That isn’t the way a true legislator works but it is the way a senator acts to block a bill.
McConnell is working directly to benefit Wall Street at the expense of taxpayers.

Posted by: Lydia | April 18, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Unhappy with the way OUR Government leaders are performing (both DEM and REP)?
YOU can change OUR government in a VERY passive but effective way.
Simply DO NOT vote for the incumbent (in office) Senator or Representative – Vote for the “Upstart – Challenger“
You may even have to cross party lines to do this but it does not matter because all the current “leaders” have the same agenda “get reelected”.
We can change out most of our Government this year – and the rest during the next election.
Political Party Affiliation = USA

Posted by: Disillusioned Voter | April 18, 2010, 11:55 am 11:55 am

It’s sad but true, Republicans are more interested in getting tv shows and selling books.

Posted by: likeAplan | April 18, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Nothing in the bill,will control the too big to fail banks,Fannie Mae,Freddie Mac,AIG,Bears Stern,Etc,Not controlled. Government intervention caused this mess,by Backing loans to people for Mortgages who could not afford to buy a house. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac,need to be dismantled and the government needs to get out of Business.

Posted by: stormerF2 | April 18, 2010, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

I guess I should agree with Mr. Obama. If anyone know “Cynical”, Mr. Obama is the one…

Posted by: Quo Warranto | April 19, 2010, 12:37 am 12:37 am

I think the urgency is the upcoming loss of large Democrat majorities, not impending financial doom. How can the Obama administration say we are “turning the corner” and seeing “green shoots”, while also drumming up the fear necessary to do this?
My fear is that future bailouts will be used to corrupt many more companies in the name of “preventing financial armageddon”.
Emanuel’s axiom : Never let a good crisis go to waste. Apparently the crisis will be invented if need be.

Posted by: Fred the Auto Worker | April 19, 2010, 1:10 am 1:10 am

I think the filibuster idea is great. Democrats think they can get over on lies and uninformed people.
We will inform the people of the truth.
“Too big to fail” is a euphemism for “too free to control by the government”.
It is a device for corrupting companies one by one.
Why would Obama need this if “happy days are here again”???? Look out folks, your freedom is about to take another hit!!!

Posted by: frankspank | April 19, 2010, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Senator McConnell, like his fellow Republicans, no longer represent the people that elected them. Instead, they work for their big-business patrons on Wall street and the insurance industry. They are not even subtle about it anymore. By resisting derivitive regulation, they are telling America that they don’t care if we have another financial meltdown, as long as they get their monetary support. Shame on them all. Kick them out of office!

Posted by: DaveM | April 19, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am

frankspank, too big to fail means too big for taxpayers to bail out, plain and simple.
This isn’t about freedom, this is about protecting our economy and our taxpayer obligation from the greed of big banks.
There is no economic advantage to big banks for the taxpayer to have to risk such a big bailout. My small local bank and credit union gives better rates on loans, better c.d. rates, real personal service and doesn’t give out risky loans.

Posted by: Lydia | April 19, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Disillusioned voter, I don’t see how your suggestion can work.
You are assuming that every incumbent is responsible for the problems we are facing. By voting out every incumbent, you could be voting in even worst people.
Realistically, you have to know where each candidate stands on the big issues that effect our country’s economy, etc.
Compare it to a poor performing school. If half of the teachers are bad and half are good, firing everyone in the hopes that the new ones will have a better ratio of good to bad, isn’t a logical way to get there. But by identifying the bad ones, firing only them, you can increase your chances of having a better performing school.

Posted by: Lydia | April 19, 2010, 11:18 am 11:18 am

President Obama is exactly “right on the money” on this issue. I would just like to know if the Republicans knew the “Goldmann Sachs fraud scandal” was in the works before they made their “united negative, obstructionist” stand. If I were the administration…I would turn this right into them, because of their negative, obstructionism and their all out effort to “protect the wealthy”. Mr. Tapper’s censor…will you let this one post please even though you seem to not share my point of view???

Posted by: CND FOX | April 19, 2010, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

That’s what he said about about health care. Then………..when the details came out, what the GOP had said was very true.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | April 19, 2010, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Sounds good Mr. Prez…but where’s my check?

Posted by: justayreal74 | April 19, 2010, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Rep. Brad Sherman (DEMOCRAT-CA): “But there are serious problems with the Dodd bill. The Dodd bill has unlimited executive bailout authority. That’s something Wall Street desperately wants but doesn’t dare ask for. The bill contains permanent, unlimited bailout authority.”

Posted by: James Danley | April 19, 2010, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

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