The Showdown: Bluff-Calling, Backsliding on Road to Bipartisanship
By Rick Klein
Well, that didn’t last. The new day didn’t dawn. The next big legislative item will end with some of the recognizable bluff-calling, just like that, with Washington either moving with unusual alacrity or its usual sluggishness, depending on your perspective. Financial regulatory reform is exceedingly likely to pass the Senate next week. It will do so, in all probability, with decent, maybe even significant bipartisan support. But the end stages of the debate, at least, highlight anew how fleeting this moment is likely to be. This is no health care, but neither is it immigration or energy or tax reform. And the final maneuvering is going to be almost as loud as Rod Blagojevich. President Obama pulled a few punches with his speech on/near Wall Street Thursday. But there’s no ducking that punch called a cloture vote — which may or may not get 60, but almost certainly will move negotiations along. That’s right — definitely not health care: “President Obama's assertive stride into the debate on financial regulatory reform stands in marked contrast to the messy health-care battle that consumed most of the past year. It also represents a crucial part of a political strategy that — at least so far — appears to be moving a bill through Congress more easily,” The Washington Post’s Anne Kornblut and Michael Shear report. “The speech marked the culmination of a month-long acceleration of Obama's involvement with the issue, White House and Treasury Department officials said. And it will be followed by more: Next week, he will embark on a new phase of his ‘Wall Street to Main Street’ tour, begun last winter, by traveling to Iowa, Missouri and Illinois.” Back on the Hill: “Nerves appeared to be fraying among Republicans faced with the increasingly unappetizing prospect of opposing new curbs on Wall Street,” The Wall Street Journal’s Jonathan Weisman and Damian Paletta report. “Republican aides said the party faced a dilemma: It could sign on to a bill that they and many of their constituents won't like, or watch a bill pass with them largely on the sidelines and give Democrats an issue to run on in the fall.” Monday’s scheduled vote marks a deadline, yes, but ultimately a negotiable one — one that’s likely to move talks along through the weekend. Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter: “The longer the negotiations went on with the GOP, the weaker the bill would have become. Unlike health-care reform, where the Republicans were all opposed, this bill was in danger of being watered down by Republicans who were, well, carrying water for the banks. The bill is already weak tea, but at least now it won't get any weaker.” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid: “I’m not going to waste any more time of the American people.” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: “I don’t think bipartisanship is a waste of time.” Maybe a problem: “I hope that Senator Reid abandons his plan to force a premature cloture vote on Monday,” said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine. From here: “Mr. Reid scheduled a first procedural vote for Monday evening that will force Republicans to choose between starting debate or blocking the motion. Some Republicans said they expected Democrats to force several such votes before any deal is reached as a way to paint the G.O.P. as obstructionist,” The New York Times’ Peter Baker and David Herszenhorn report. “Reid was eager to test the unity of Republican opposition to the pending legislation, even as bipartisan negotiations continued. Reid conceded that the timetable for a vote could change if the talks bear fruit,” per the AP’s David Espo and Jim Kuhnhenn. No-lose bet? “If no Republican cracks, and the bill goes down, Reid is calculating that would be politically devastating for the GOP, because the party would appear to be standing shoulder to shoulder with the Wall Street bankers many Americans blame for the recession,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Meredith Shiner report. Why it’s time to call some bluffs: Republicans “don't want to be tagged in their campaigns with backing Wall Street at the expense of Main Street. And that's our ace in the hole,” Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, said Thursday on ABC’s “Top Line.” Among the stakes: “Progress on the bill is more than a test of Obama's ability to achieve his major goals. It also tests Congress' ability to arrest the current epidemic of partisanship and respond to a wave of public anger over Wall Street's role in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression,” per The Los Angeles Times’ Janet Hook, Jim Puzzanghera and Peter Nicholas. Your next storyline: “The president is on the offensive now; his opponents are scrambling to decide how to react. Obama should thank the misbehaving lords of Wall Street, because they have given him a way to get his mojo back,” Eugene Robinson writes in his Washington Post column. Jill Lawrence, at Politics Daily: “He hasn't changed. But the country that elected him has. We seem to have lost our collective nerve. We've lost our confidence in ourselves, our government, and our institutions. We've lost our taste for boldness, our eagerness to experiment, our openness to the future. Enough of us are in hunker-down or angry-protest mode that Obama faces a struggle for every approval point in public opinion polls and on nearly every issue before Congress.” Coming Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” with Jake Tapper — all sides of the debate at the table: White House Economic Adviser Austan Goolsbee, Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio. The roundtable: George Will, Paul Krugman, Cynthia Tucker, and Alexis Glick. Remember health care? Republicans will want to on Friday: Ready to hit in any state with a competitive Senate race — and just in time for Stephanie Cutter’s new job: “President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law will increase the nation's health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation,” the AP’s Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar reports. “A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will achieve Obama's aim of expanding health insurance — adding 34 million Americans to the coverage rolls. But the analysis also found that the law falls short of the president's twin goal of controlling runaway costs, raising projected spending by about 1 percent over 10 years. That increase could get bigger, however, since the report also warned that Medicare cuts in the law may be unrealistic and unsustainable, forcing lawmakers to roll them back.” Plus, from the CBO: “Some 3 million middle-class Americans will be required to pay a penalty for not getting health insurance under the Obama administration's new health care law, raising questions about the president's willingness to break a campaign promise by increasing taxes on some families earning less than $250,000,” the Washington Times’ Sean Lengell reports. “A Congressional Budget Office analysis released Thursday said the average cost of the penalty will be slightly more than $1,000 apiece in 2016.” Enter Cutter: “President Obama has chosen Stephanie Cutter, who served as a top aide to Senator Edward M. Kennedy and communications director for Senator John F. Kerry’s presidential campaign in 2004, to be in charge of getting out the word about the benefits of the new health care insurance overhaul,” The Boston Globe reports. “Administration officials said Cutter’s job will be more educational than political. But several Democrats said better messaging on health care is crucial to the party’s election hopes this year.” Among her initial challenges: “The first Kaiser Health Tracking Poll fielded since the passage of health reform last month finds that 8 in 10 Americans know that President Obama signed the legislation into law. But 55 percent say they are confused about the law and more than half (56%) say they don’t yet have enough information to understand how it will affect them personally.” Since everyone loves a good deadline: “Having concluded that talks to advance a bipartisan immigration overhaul are stalled and party lines in the Senate are hardening, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) has told Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) to strike a deal in three weeks or Democrats will bring their own bill forward, aides and lobbyists said Thursday,” Spencer S. Hsu reports in The Washington Post. Umm, porn? At the SEC? Well beyond the numbers…. “The Securities and Exchange Commission is supposed to be the sheriff of the financial industry, looking for financial crimes like Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme. But the new report, obtained by ABC News, says senior employees of the SEC spent hours on the commission's computers looking at sites like naughty.com, skankwire, youporn, and others,” ABC’s Jonathan Karl reports. “The investigation, which was conducted by the SEC's internal watchdog at the request of Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, found 31 serious offenders over the past two and a half years. Seventeen of the offenders were senior SEC officers with salaries ranging from $100,000 to $222,000 per year.” Karl, on “GMA” Friday: “At least some of the major offenders in this report are still on the job.” A few more details, per the AP: “The SEC's inspector general conducted 33 probes of employees looking at explicit images in the past five years… The memo says 31 of those probes occurred in the 2 1/2 years since the financial system teetered and nearly crashed.” Rush Limbaugh, swinging back at Bill Clinton: “The Obama/Clinton/media left are comfortable with the unrest in our society today. It allows them to blame and demonize their opponents (doctors, insurance companies, Wall Street, talk radio, Fox News) in order to portray their regime as the great healer of all our ills, thus expanding their power and control over our society,” Limbaugh writes in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “A clear majority of the American people want no part of this. They instinctively know that the Obama way is not how things get done in this country. They are motivated by love. Not hate, not sedition. They love their country and want to save it from those who do not.” Star witness? Blago wants Obama to testify: “Just weeks before the start of his federal corruption trial, ousted Gov. Rod Blagojevich sought Thursday to tie his credibility to that of President Barack Obama by asking that the leader of the free world be compelled to testify for the defense,” Jeff Coen, Rick Pearson and Bob Secter report in the Chicago Tribune. “The court filing by the ex-governor's attorneys attempted to protect sensitive details by blacking out references to sealed investigative records. But it became an instant Internet sensation thanks to a computer glitch that enabled people to view the entire document — a mix of new allegations and old details that combined to create fresh intrigue over charges Blagojevich sought to sell the Senate seat vacated by Obama when he was elected in 2008.” Rezko … “Quoting from a sealed prosecution memo, the defense team aired a previously undisclosed allegation that convicted influence peddler Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko told investigators he tried to buy Obama's favor with illegal campaign contributions. Rezko, a top fundraiser for Obama and Blagojevich, is cooperating in the case against the former governor,” the Tribune reporters write. Speaking out — Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., goes public with his concerns over the administration’s Israel policies: “This has to stop,” Schumer told the Nachum Segal Show, of the administration's policy of publicly pressing Israel to end construction in Jerusalem, per Politico’s Ben Smith. Added Schumer: “I told the President, I told Rahm Emanuel and others in the administration that I thought the policy they took to try to bring about negotiations is counter-productive, because when you give the Palestinians hope that the United States will do its negotiating for them, they are not going to sit down and talk.” In honor of Earth Day — Biz Markie is out with a remix of a classic (worth it for the Obama Girl cameo alone) on behalf of Repower America. Enemy territory, Friday night: “Sarah Palin could have hardly picked a more crunchy granola town to give a speech in than Eugene,” the AP’s Jeff Barnard writes. “Yet the Lane County Republican party couldn't be prouder of landing the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, who uses ‘granola’ as a term of derision, as the headliner for its Lincoln Day fundraiser dinner Friday night.”
The Kicker: “The defense understands that the President of the United States of America is not a routine witness and would not request his appearance if it did not think he was critical to the liberty of Rod Blagojevich.” — Attorneys for Rod Blagojevich. ”That's sort of the best thing I ever did.” — Former Vice President Dick Cheney, on having muttered a certain something to Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.
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***No-lose bet? “If no Republican cracks, and the bill goes down, Reid is calculating that would be politically devastating for the GOP, because the party would appear to be standing shoulder to shoulder with the Wall Street bankers many Americans blame for the recession,” Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Meredith Shiner report.***
Such could also backfire on him if the public instead thinks that the Democrats are trying to force their bill on the people again, and squelching any hope of a bipartisan agreement.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 23, 2010, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Obama is one smart political cookie….
Posted by: LongT | April 23, 2010, 8:50 am 8:50 am
He still has people willing to follow him off the ledge……
Posted by: LongT | April 23, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am
The Republicans have been placed in basically an untenable position. They can either filibuster Wall Street reform and hand the Dems a key talking point for the election – as well as incurring voter wrath.
Or they can support the bill and give Obama and the Democrats a stunning legislative victory. Yikes…
Posted by: matt | April 23, 2010, 8:54 am 8:54 am
So, has it come down to doing what is best for a political party over doing what’s best for the American people? As each day goes by, more of the truth about the REAL costs of healthcare emerge. Does we want to wake up after this bill is passed to find the same?
Posted by: deanbob | April 23, 2010, 9:07 am 9:07 am
CaptD – How will this gut a fortune 500 company? I’m not finding anything on this.
Posted by: secondlook | April 23, 2010, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Has anyone seen or read about Senate Bill 3081:
1. Forbid interrogators from telling the person of their right to remain silent.
2. Forbid interrogators from telling the person of their right to legal counsel.
3. Deny the person habeas corpus protection (the government cannot keep a person in custody without charge). 4. Do all the above not only to a person suspected of a crime, but also to a person who may know about a possible future crimte.
Check the Library of Congress database (THOMAS),
Posted by: deanbob | April 23, 2010, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Posted by: matt | Apr 23, 2010 8:54:12 AM
Well they do have another option, though I’m not sure they have the backbone for it.
They can call out the Democrats publicly, with a copy of their own summery or bill(whatever passed the banking committee, I can only find Dodd’s summery) on finiancial reform and use that as leverage to move Harry Reid out of the way to continue discussions.
I’ve heard both republicans and democrats say that discussions should continue because the disagreements only cover about 15-20% of the bill. 80% of it is done.
Financial reform is necessary but we done need another fiasco like Sarbannes-Oxley, which moved much investment to UK markets from NYSE and increased the cost of a company going public by 130% according to a poll by Korn/Ferry international.
We need regulation to limit the risk that the tax payers bear for the stupidity of companies engaging in irresponsible behavior. However if an investor and a company wants to risk their own funds on a concept than they should but the consequences should be on their own head, and not the tax payers.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 23, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
At least the Democrats are acting, they are addressing our national problems. If the bills turn out to have problems, they can be fixed, that’s the kind of democracy we have. When did Republicans ever address a problem when they were in power? We should have been much further along in developing alternative energy sources, protecting our environment, growing American manufacturing, and improving our educational system by now. I saw on the news the other day that a ridiculous portion of the adults in Detroit are illiterate. How did this happen? Every time the Republicans are in power the nation stalls as the super rich get even richer. Republicans are genetically unable to act, they give way to much of our resources to protecting the interests of the huge corporations and the moneyed class.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | April 23, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Wall Street will Police itself– we don’t need rules and regulators?– Just as we don’t need street signs, Police, fire dept’s etc. I get a kick out of the GOP, “Were against Big Govt.” mantra — Anyone who believes that is either brain dead or missed 8 years of Bush!! That the Press even lets the GOP recycle their “Fiscal Responsibility” lie– in the light of their pathetic performance in the real world– is just poor journalism!!! We don’t need Neotalk ( def. — The art of turning any truth to a lie for Partisan gain) we need good laws that will protect the many from the malevolence of the few!!!
If anyone believes we need Less Govt.– I suggest a vacation to Somalia to study their less Govt. model!!!!
Posted by: brian | April 23, 2010, 9:26 am 9:26 am
If Washington want to correct the problem, all they need to do is re-institute the Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed in the late ’90′s (initiated by Republicans and signed by Bill Clinton).
Posted by: deanbob | April 23, 2010, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Ever wonder why there are so many ex-Goldman Sachs employees in the White House? Turns out there’s a Goldman policy that pays out all deferred compensation to any partner who accepts a senior position in the federal government.
Posted by: deanbob | April 23, 2010, 9:33 am 9:33 am
***If anyone believes we need Less Govt.– I suggest a vacation to Somalia to study their less Govt. model!!!!
Posted by: brian | Apr 23, 2010 9:26:24 AM***
I’m curious brian, why do you think that when americans speak against big government they are automatically advocating anarchy?
There is a certain balance in government that must be maintained. Federal governement is a regulator national businesses, maintains a military and regulates interstate and international trade and immagration. State governments provide for the welfare of their citizens and control intrastate trade and limitedly regulate interstate trade that isn’t already regulated by the federal government as well as providing protection to citizens against civil unrest or disobedience. Municipalities further provide for the welfare of the citizens, help promote business activity in their locality and futher supports the efforts of the state as a whole in protecting the citizens from civil unrest or disobedience.
That, I feel, is the proper role of government.
I don’t see anarchy anywhere in that. Nor, in that do I see the need for war-lords or the need to arm myself with an automatic weapon because the government can’t protect me, while still allowing basic freedoms.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 23, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Don’t we have over $12T in national debt and over $108T in unfunded debt? So, why do we keep expanding the size of government? Occam’s razor: the simplest solution is usually the correct one. Just reimplement the Glass-Steagall Act.
Posted by: deanbob | April 23, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Posted by: deanbob | Apr 23, 2010 9:54:44 AM
That would solve much of the issue, however it would really hurt both parties contributions from the wallstreet banks so it won’t be done. Cynical but most likely true.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 23, 2010, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I get a kick out of the GOP, “Were against Big Govt.” mantra — Anyone who believes that is either brain dead or missed 8 years of Bush!!
We operated during the Bush administration with deficit spending and accordingly accumulated additional national debt. However, the government didn’t grow during that Republican administration. How many czars did Bush have? How many new bureaucracies were instituted? The excessive spending was largely because of war on two fronts and a natural disaster in New Orleans. This administration which is still fighting those wars has found more ways to spend money and build the size of the federal government. That’s what people refer to when they complain about “big government”. You see, once a new bureaucracy (like the one that will support healthcare reform)is built it’s forever a taxpayer liability to support. The bureaucracy never goes away, nor does the taxpayer expense.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 10:09 am 10:09 am
The other aspect of big government is that it takes away states rights. When the feds dictate to the states how business will be conducted within the individual states, when the feds dictate that there will be policy uniformity from state to state, the ability to adapt and respond to the particular needs of the people within that state is taken away.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am
I saw on the news the other day that a ridiculous portion of the adults in Detroit are illiterate. How did this happen?
Amy; I’d suggest they didn’t get a good education. Was that the fault of the government or their own fault? Can education be dictated? Apparently that high percentage of illiterates in Detroit didn’t think they needed an education for whatever reason.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Obama knows exactly what he’s doing….
Posted by: LongT | April 23, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
As I said earlier, the Dems have no intention of permitting any bi-partisanship. They prefer to be dictators.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | April 23, 2010, 10:30 am 10:30 am
golly wiggle— you put a lot of Faith in State govt— the Same state Govt’s that are begging the feds for more money–by the way Bush Doubled the Size, Scope, and debt of Govt. But Govt. is not the total culprit in the debt game— Bush unfunded the two wars– and the prescription drug plan— But he did one other thing— He Cut taxes for the upper 3% during war Time– A move so irresponsible it emptied the Treasury– Compare that to WW11 where the High tax bracket was 94%– Still the biggest ogre in the room of underfunded Govt. is our outsourcing of Manufacturing– I think a VAT should be enacted to recoup those loses as a VAT on all products , domestic and Imported would be a defacto Import tax without breaking trade agreements!!!
Posted by: brian | April 23, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
People! Wall Street is totally in support of this Bill. Why? Well if I were to go buy a $70K car and can not pay for it the government is going to pick up the loan and I get to keep the car while the government pays the debt. It is the same thing with this Bill. Wall Street fails again in the future the government is going to bail them out again. What a great insurance policy. So there is no incentive in this Bill for Wall Street to do due diligence on any loan. After all you the public are going to pay for it. Gee thanks again Obama and Congress. Wake up people! I wonder why Wall Street gave the Dems over $90 million in campaign contributions. More than the GOP.
Posted by: Patriot | April 23, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am
brian; You insist that Bush grew the size of government which he did not. He did increase government spending without income to cover the spending. This administration has followed suit on the issue of deficit spending and has additionally grown the government bureaucracy without revenue to cover the increase. Yes VAT is a probable upcoming next tax. The excuse will be that every European country that has nationalized healthcare also has VAT to fund the program. Unpopular as it may be new taxes will by necessity be imposed on us. VAT probably won’t be the only new tax. But consider this. VAT will effect your pocket on every purchase you make. Those who have some unobligated income right now, very soon will not, because the cost of all goods and services will increase with a VAT tax. I think a variable rate flat tax or fair tax that balances the budget instead of federal income tax and a VAT tax along with all the other forms of taxation would be a wise and equitable option. And yes the states are hurting financially just like the federal government due to recession. Unlike the federal government that’s struggling financially because of the recession, the states can’t print or borrow money to cover their commitments. Since the states can only get money from their citizens or the federal government state taxes will soon increase. Unfortunately the federal government is passing legislation like healthcare reform that requires both the federal government and the state governments to spend even more money at a time when both the fed gov’t and the state government can’t meet their current budget obligations. Thus the rise of the TEA PARTY movement.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Well we voted for him….we get what we asked for…
Posted by: LongT | April 23, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Obama’s ‘Wall Street to Main Street’ tour… traveling to Iowa, Missouri and Illinois.” ————- Obama is just the “front man”.. doing what he does best.. making speeches… sometimes you can almost see Rahm Emanuel’s hand up his back making his mouth move!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | April 23, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
gollywiggle —- “You insist that Bush grew the size of government which he did not.” —– Well, there was that Medicare Part D debacle…. what was he thinking??
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | April 23, 2010, 11:31 am 11:31 am
What corrupts governments?
Power and wealth; this is not new, even Plato knew it in his day.
Where does power and wealth come from in this “FREE” country? From the same capitalistic business practices that have produced all the Monopolies that control just about everything in this country. How can you say freedom and monopoly in the same sentence?
Monopoly = Tyranny.
Yet we have whole parties in this country saying that those who want to disband the monopolies are tyrants.
In politics anything can be slid into the guise of anything else. Is it no wonder we’re all getting fed up, and no one knows whats going on or who to trust.
At the present time we have two independent governments in this country:
the one we supposedly elected, and one called “big business”; we have to remove one of them so it won’t corrupt the other. You pick which one it should be.
Posted by: JAM | April 23, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Think of the power… the ability to “assist” or “destroy” any corporation in America at your whim!! — No appeal process… target companies that oppose you?.. doesn’t this power give the president and his party unlimited fundraising ability?.. think about it….!!!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | April 23, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
After the difficulty he had in robbing the bank through the front door, our current spender in chief has learned that if you just keep smiling, the opposition will let you get close enough to pick their pockets.
Posted by: wantingbalance | April 23, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
How will this curb Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? It will not and they were the ones who kept backing the lousy loans made by banks,So banks kept making the loans. We need to dismantle Fannie and Freddie,and get the government out of the mortgage business and back to governing.
Posted by: stormerF2 | April 23, 2010, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
TheLoyalOpposition; You’re right. That was a debachle and it was an extension of additional benefits to a pre-existing entitlement program for seniors. But it wasn’t the establishment of an additional bureaucracy.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Amy in maine -”I saw on the news the other day that a ridiculous portion of the adults in Detroit are illiterate. How did this happen?”– Simple.. Its called UNION RUN Public schools where teachers WILL not be tested to prove thay can actually teach the material they were hired to teach along with the progressive aproach that any problem can be corrected by more gove4rnment control and by throwing more money at the it..
Posted by: arkie vet | April 23, 2010, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Golly wiggle— I agree — A Vat should be couple with a flat or fair tax and scrap the current income tax— it would make the personal tax rate lower and the VAT side would be discretionary– Allowing the consumer to save or spend– I would think we would have to have a set poverty ceiling exemption – below which you pay no tax__ But I would also exempt food and Medicines — the Problem with the Tea Party is many are Seniors decrying Socialism but saying don’t touch our medicaid/medicare!!! They are too easily moved by soundbites — yet if you asked them ___ OK– If your against Govt. Socialism then, Lets scrap Social Security- Medicaid/Medicare– Prescription drug plans — Publicly funded Schools, etc. As I mentioned earlier our loss of Manufacturing has destroyed the Govt’s income stream, and our trade agreements do not allow us to enact tarrif’s — Only The VAT would enable Tariff’s to be collected surreptitiously!!!!
Posted by: brian | April 23, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
There is TOO MUCH bipartisanship already! The Democrats caved in on torture, the wars, bailing out Wall St., subsidizing the insurance industry, the banking industry, selling morgages and our ports to China of all people… should I continue???
“And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. They call it the “American Dream”… because you have to be asleep to believe it.” George Carlin.
Posted by: CBA | April 23, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
That is your argument: “Bush ruined your lives for eight years, and we only have been able to do it for a measly year!”
The way you change things is to correct the mistake, NOT continue the mistake! Your telling me the number of people who voted for Obama are NOW racisits because they now oppose him.
That implies that he screwed up and lost their confidence… Not that they changed from tolerants to bigots in one calendar year. You can suspend disbelief but surely not reality… OMG!
Posted by: CBA | April 23, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
so far this bill raises the cost of raising capital, while it does little if anything to really rein in the worst abuses leading to the crash.
regulatory agencies failed during the 90′s and 00′s to police the current regulations.
buying, selling and investing requires a matter of trust and when we trusted the government’s stamp of approval (bernie madoff, etc.), we were dissappointed while the watch dogs downloaded porn and we got burned.
Posted by: scott jeffries | April 23, 2010, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
brian; Two things. First, you want VAT and a flat or fair tax? Both taxes would be on purchases rather than income. Why have two taxes? One variable tax rate, be it VAT or flat or fair tax would be adequate to fund government spending. But the government should be held to spending within an approved budget. The reason I propose a tax on purchases is that everyone would feel the impact of government spending. It probably will never happen because the people looking for handouts or for the wealthy to carry the whole tax burden would suddenly understand what their entitlement programs cost on an individual basis. The beauty of an adjustable flat tax is that those who buy more i.e. spend more because they have more money to spend would still carry the major portion of the tax burden while the low income people would pay less taxes but they too would feel the impact when more entitlement programs are added. Therefore, everyone would be opposed to increased government spending. The tax exclusion on medicine and food is a good idea. I’ve always held that those who put more into the system should get more out of the system. The way we’re doing things today, the people who are taking the most out are the ones putting the least in the pot.
Posted by: gollywiggle | April 23, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
One can sense when the Righties are desperate.
What has the GOP ever done for the working class in America ?
Posted by: New Wave | April 23, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Golly Wiggle— the reason I Said a Vat and a Combination Tax– Could be Flat or Fair— As far as I understand, A Fair Tax is still based off income—– I don’t think the Govt could get people behind a straight Sales tax— But, If you told everybody we’ll lower your Income tax to zero up to 30k —- to a Straight say 8% for those from 30 up to 100k– and 12% above 100K– But instituted a VAT or National Sales Tax — I think people might go for it!!!!
Posted by: brian | April 23, 2010, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm