Unclear As Of Now if Senate Will Have Votes to Ratify New Disarmament Treaty
Senate sources tell ABC News that it's unclear if the Senate has the votes to pass the nuclear disarmament treaty that President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed just hours ago.
The ambiguity confirms what has seemed a constant refrain of concern from the White House about whether the votes are there. Just moments ago, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted from Prague: "DC's next test – last 3 Senate votes on arms reduction treaties: INF 93-5 ('88), START I 93-6 ('92), & SORT 95-0 ('03) = bipartisan test."
Or, as he put it to reporters on Air Force One on the flight to the Czech Republic, "if you look back at previous nuclear reduction treaties in the late ‘80s, the early ‘90s, and even as late at 2003, these are documents that enjoy vast bipartisan majorities — votes in the ‘90s. We are hopeful that reducing the threat of nuclear weapons remains a priority for both parties."
(The White House denies that these constant reminders are a sign of "concern," but rather are a reminder of the traditionally bipartisan way these treaties are handled.)
Senate Republican leadership sources say Senate Republican leaders don't have a firm position because the leadership hasn't been consulted in any substantive way about the treaty by the Obama administration beyond some minor discussions.
Any treaty negotiated by the executive branch needs to pass the Senate by a two-thirds vote, as required by Article II, section 2 of the Constitution. Fifty-nine Senators caucus with the Democratic party, so assuming all of them support ratification, at least eight Republicans will need to join them to reach 67 votes.
Senate Democratic leadership sources suggest Republicans are waiting to see what the reaction is to the treaty from the conservative base of the party. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is said to be hopeful that in the end the votes will be there, when a vote comes up in several months after several committee hearings.
Previous disarmament treaties did enjoy vast bipartisan support, as Gibbs noted, and this treaty has been endorsed by former Republican Secretaries of State George Shultz and Henry Kissinger.
(Incidentally, you can read the treaty HERE and the protocol HERE.)
The views of the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Dick Lugar, R-Ind., will carry some weight among his fellow Republicans. His view in general is said to be "favorable," a Lugar aide tells ABC News, but he needs to do "due diligence" and go through the process of reading the treaty and its annexes, which will take some time.
"The process we go through in the committee will determine whether there's sufficient Republican support for it," the Lugar aide said. "Normally arms control treaties take many months to go through the ratification process, sometimes it can take a year or two."
The Lugar aide acknowledged the "politics of this year" — what he described as a "particularly explosive election year" — might complicate the process, but ultimately Lugar hopes the votes will be there.
The general posture of Senate Republicans today hasn't seemed particularly embracing.
This morning an aide to Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., sent out an email to reporters saying: "Just a reminder re: today’s signing of START in Prague. I’ve attached two letters that were sent to the President: the first sent by a bipartisan group of 41 Senators in December, as well as a second letter sent last month by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl, reminding the President that he is legally required to submit to Congress a detailed plan to modernize the U.S. nuclear deterrent prior to the Senate considering START."
The latter letter from McConnell and Kyl to President Obama, sent on March 15, noted the two senators' concern about comments by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who said the treaty linked offensive weapons and missile defense "[i]n a legally binding form."
Wrote the Republican Senators: "As you know, it is highly unlikely that the Senate would ratify a treaty that includes such a linkage, including a treaty that includes unilateral declarations that the Russian Federation could use as leverage against you or your successors when U.S. missile defense decisions are made."
The McConnell/Kyl letter to the president noted that a December 15 letter to the President from 41 senators reminded him that section 1251 of last year's defense authorization act "required that the Administration submit a 10 year plan for the modernization of the U.S. nuclear deterrent at the same time it submits the follow-on to the 1991 START Agreement to the Senate for its advice and consent."
McConnell said that "the Obama administration will need to meet three requirements if it expects favorable consideration of the START follow on treaty. The Senate will assess whether or not the agreement is verifiable, whether it reduces our Nation’s ability to defend itself and our allies from the threat of nuclear armed missiles, and whether or not this administration is committed to preserving our own nuclear triad."
On the flight to Prague, deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes said that some senators had raised concerns about missile defense and the stockpile management, and that "the treaty places no constraints on the development of our missile defense in Europe. And similarly we’ve made significant investments in the stockpile that we’re very confident that we can actually strengthen the infrastructure of the stockpile and have a reliable nuclear deterrent with these reductions in deployed weapons and launchers."
Rhodes said the White House was "confident that based upon our consultations with the Senate throughout this process that the final product of this treaty is very much in line with some of the issues that were expressed just by senators."
Both Gibbs and Reid's office signaled that a vote on the treaty was not expected before August.
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—White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted from Prague: “DC’s next test – last 3 Senate votes on arms reduction treaties: INF 93-5 (’88), START I 93-6 (’92), & SORT 95-0 (’03) = bipartisan test.”—
Interesting: All three treaties signed by Republican Presidents: Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger. Let’s see if our naïve young President has any bipartisanship in him. He sure hasn’t shown it in his first 15 months. “I won, I will trump you on that,” he clucked to a meeting of GOP congressmen in Jan 2009.
Posted by: Real Men of Foreign Policy Genius | April 8, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Interesting: All three treaties signed by Republican Presidents: Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger. Let’s see if our naïve young President has any bipartisanship in him.
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That is hardly the question.
The Democrats are almost always willing to put the country before partisan politics.
The question is, will the Republicans again play “Party First. Country Second” or will they actually put the country before their own political ambitions to embarrass the Democrats?
Posted by: tierra | April 8, 2010, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
“the (Republican) leadership hasn’t been consulted in any substantive way about the treaty by the Obama administration beyond some minor discussions.”
What exactly does that mean? They were consulted, took part in some discussions, but Obama didn’t bring a fruit basket or something?
Unless they have a verifiable reason to oppose this treaty, they will pass it. There are more than 8 Republicans who aren’t going to put America’s fundamental security at stake for the sake of a false election year talking point, although they are welcome to make an argument that this treaty should also be credited to Bush’s efforts.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Senate Republican leadership sources say Senate Republican leaders don’t have a firm position because the leadership hasn’t been consulted in any substantive way about the treaty by the Obama administration beyond some minor discussions.
So, what’s new. Anything the Obama administration does is done in a way that leaves out the Republicans in Congress. The Democrats like to refer to them as the ‘party of no’, but it seems they are the party of ‘no one includes us in the conversation, so we don’t know’. Gee, that Obama, what a UNITER he is!! NOT.
By the way, tierra, you constantly chirp that the Democrats put country first, politics second. How would you describe the passage of healthcare with the majority of Americans against it? Have you noticed that the tea party movement is about 55% Republican, and the rest are Dems/Independents? Why on earth would liberals join the tea party if their own party is ALWAYS putting them first?
Posted by: Shoe | April 8, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Just surrender and get it over with .
Posted by: nat turner | April 8, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
By the way, tierra, you constantly chirp that the Democrats put country first, politics second. How would you describe the passage of healthcare with the majority of Americans against it?
Shoe | Apr 8, 2010 1:43:37 PM
Last time I checked, our nation was based on a hard count, verifiable polling system to gauge citizen support. Not the latest Gallup/Rasmussen/Fox/DailyKos/etc poll of a few hundred people sitting by their phone.
And there was NO question at all in Nov 2008 about the health care policy implications of the vote.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Just read the treaty, not the protocol though. 17 pages is one thing, but 165 is a bit more than I can stand, at the moment.
Just for the people who think this is a coup for nuclear disarmanent camps: The treaty makes no mention of tactical nuclear weapons. As of 2005 Russia had about 15-16 thousand of these. The US had between 10-11 thousand of these.
Example:
“Little Boy” – Used against Hiroshima
yeild: 13-18 Kilotons (est)
“Fat Man” – Used against Nagasaki
yeild: 21 kilotons (est)
(Tactical nuke) W54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (fielded in the 60s) – variable yeild between 10 tons to 1 kiloton
This treaty is just a show for Obama to try to apease his far-left base, but really doesn’t do much. Both countries still have enough firepower to turn anywhere in the world into a wasteland.
Not to mention the question of if the congress will ratify the treaty in the first place.
But the president got to see Prague, at least.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 8, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
This treaty is just a show for Obama to try to apease his far-left base, but really doesn’t do much. Both countries still have enough firepower to turn anywhere in the world into a wasteland.
bobtherepublican | Apr 8, 2010 1:58:53 PM
I agree that this treaty doesn’t do much. It is a small incremental step towards reductions both sides want to do anyway (it’s a waste of money keeping 2000 guns pointed at someone when 1500 will do an equivalent job). But it certainly isn’t ‘just a show’. It’s part of the beyond-the-waters-edge policy that plods along regardless of the party in power, hence the traditionally bipartisan agreement. It doesn’t do much, but what it does is valuable to the nation. And the far left knows what is in this and are hardly excited. The current grain subsidy level is equally exciting…
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
“There are more than 8 Republicans who aren’t going to put America’s fundamental security at stake for the sake of a false election year talking point,”
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 8, 2010 1:42:19 PM
“I agree that this treaty doesn’t do much. It is a small incremental step towards reductions both sides want to do anyway”
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 8, 2010 2:06:43 PM
So which is it, jhw? A treaty which is a matter of “America’s fundamental security” or a treaty which “doesn’t do much”?
Seems your first reaction was a bit knee-jerk in nature and completely partisan (rather than objective).
Posted by: tjp612 | April 8, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
***The current grain subsidy level is equally exciting…
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 8, 2010 2:06:43 PM***
Oh I have no problem with doing away with that, and all private sector subsidies entirely, everything from farm susidies to energy industry subsidies for oil, natural gas, nuclear and wind ventures, as well as loan guarantees to financial corporations and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The federal government is supposed to provide regulation for private industry, not investment capital. It makes the exposes the Federal government to too much risk that must be past onto the taxpayers.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | April 8, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
So which is it, jhw? A treaty which is a matter of “America’s fundamental security” or a treaty which “doesn’t do much”?
tjp612 | Apr 8, 2010 2:18:56 PM
It is both. It is a matter of fundamental security that the number of strategic arms, the things that can go from a “fire” decision in Moscow to literally the end of all human life in America in under 120 minutes. But while this step is important, it is one of many towards a goal that won’t be achieved for decades (at the earliest). Watching grass grow is boring no matter how badly you want a lawn. I wasn’t excited when Bush was in charge during the last step, I’m not excited now Obama is in charge for this step, but I recognize the importance of this work.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Any comments from Obama on jobs or the economy? Just checking in to see when he might turn his attention in that direction instead of riding Air-Force One around the world. When Obama went in for his check-up was there any discussion of ADHD?
Posted by: Pete | April 8, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Any comments from Obama on jobs or the economy?
Pete | Apr 8, 2010 3:18:14 PM
Yes, just about continuously. More interestingly would be actions. For example, the very first major action of his administration, the stimulus bill, was all about jobs. And Democrats have been continuing to push jobs programs and stimulus measures.
I’m not overly impressed by repetition of another vacant Republican soundbite that is documented as untrue.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Article.2. Section.2. Paragraph 2 will end this madness. Our founding fathers were brilliant.
Posted by: Bankroller | April 8, 2010, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Nice to see dingle Barry focusing like a laser on jobs.
Posted by: Bankroller | April 8, 2010, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Will this treaty be rushed through the Senate like the healthcare takeover, with Senators only allowed 24 hours to review the final language before having to vote??
Is the “time for talk” **over** on this treaty?
Posted by: Real Men of Foreign Policy Genius | April 8, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Will this treaty be rushed through the Senate like the healthcare takeover,
Real Men of Foreign Policy Genius | Apr 8, 2010 4:13:18 PM
Right, because that year long drawn out fight over every detail of health insurance reform was such a monumental “rush”…
(And the scheduling of the treaty has already been roughly announced as aiming for an August vote.)
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Article.2. Section.2. Paragraph 2 will end this madness. Our founding fathers were brilliant.
Bankroller | Apr 8, 2010 3:54:59 PM
Can you state specifically what part of the treaty you consider “madness”?
Posted by: jhw539 | April 8, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Oh yeah, ratification. Not to get any bird doo on the presidents day or anything.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | April 8, 2010, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
As it states in the treaty anyone at any time can withdraw from it if they deem it in their intrest. So why are we even discussing passage or not, seems just another political ploy to hide some other sneaky behind closed door deal making bribe session.
Posted by: earl | April 8, 2010, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Any Republican who votes for this treaty will not get my vote — and their opposition will get my money, even if they’re not from my state!
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Posted by: Justine Smith | April 9, 2010, 1:56 am 1:56 am