US Cites AZ Immigration Law During Human Rights Talks with China, Conservatives Call It An Apology

They must be cracking up in Beijing. First Hillary and now this. Glad to hear she’s going again.

What a farce…..BUT, quite frankly, it is WE who are subsidizing and thereby endorsing their behavior. We are shipping American jobs overseas under the premise “Save money, live better”……Stop complaining…..they own us anyways, but only a few became rich because of it…..

speak english for gods sake. this admin is so out of touch and anti american. over 60 pct of all americans approve of arizonas law.

…and it isn’t that I see it as an apology. It’s that the Arizona law is so inconsequential. It is actually much more lax than anything China has in the way of immigration policy.

“Is about time the United States realize they are one of the most blatant violators of human rights in the world.”
I challenge you to move to China, spout the same sort of inaccurate rhetoric and see what becomes of you. You should be thankful you are able to write such tripe without retribution.

“During two days of talks about human rights with China last week, the US raised examples of problems on its own soil and cited Arizona’s controversial new immigration law as an example of “racial discrimination.”" – ABC News
Wow wow and more wow!
Our state department has lost it’s mind!
How do you cite something as racial discrimination that explicitly excludes it in the law? Isn’t Hillary Clinton a lawyer? Doesn’t she know better than this?
Stunning!
Please Mr. President, get a handle on this and apologize to the good state of Arizona PRONTO!

What a disgrace! To suggest that Arizona’s immigration law which is basically a reiteration of US federal code is some form of human rights abuse is an outrage. The apology tour continues. Have Poseur Posner and Secretary Clinton read the law – or did they omit this as AG Holder did?
The Hate America First Crowd…

“We’re talking about issues that are uncomfortable, quite frankly, but it is a sign of maturity that we can talk about specific cases,” Huntsman said.
Hey Huntsman, it’s a sign of Adolescence to portray the Arizona Law as racial discrimination. Adults know better.

“The Dems need to be thrown totally out of office, as anti-citizens.” – Rick McDaniel
Don’t be too hasty Rick, there may some Dems who get it and support what Arizona is doing.

Assist secretary Michael Posner neglected to point out to the Chinese that the AZ immigration act, which he labeled as racial discrimination is AZ people’s self defense on its own safety, supported by majority, i.e. over 60% of American people.

Just in case anybody thought AZ’s immigration law wasn’t racist, they made another law banning ethnic studies, because they might create resentment against whites. As if the immigration law doesn’t create plenty of resentment. I’m just waiting for the first citizen to get deported because he wasn’t carrying papers and was DWB (Driving While Brown)…
I lived in AZ for 15 years and I know the kind of racist kooks who live there, so don’t EVEN try to tell me the law isn’t racist…

This is hysterical you people got just what you voted for …a communist then you can`t believe that the whole administration is acting the way it is!! Follow The CONSTITUTION…vote out ANYONE that does not BELIEVE IN IT.PERIOD!!!

Seriously? The apology tour continues! The law is not racist, it was put in place so they could LEGALLY do something about ILLEGAL immigrants. We are talking about law enforcement here, folks. To enforce a law, there has to be one to begin with. Arizona has taken that step so now their officers can check for legal status of ANYONE in the state IF they are already being questioned for another infraction. No one said only ‘brown’ people will be asked. If that has been implied, I’d like to see the report of it.
At this rate, there will be so many charges AGAINST law enforcement, they will be unable to do their job. For example, let’s say an officer pulls over a Latino who is female, gay, and handicapped (but able to drive), for speeding. He asks her in the course of the conversation to present her immigration status papers. Now, does this mean the officer is racist, sexist, homophobic, and ‘against’ those who are handicapped? Really, people, get a grip. The law makes sense. The rants against it for various reasons do not.

He asks her in the course of the conversation to present her immigration status papers. Now, does this mean the officer is racist, sexist, homophobic, and ‘against’ those who are handicapped? Really, people, get a grip. The law makes sense. The rants against it for various reasons do not.
Posted by: Shoe | May 17, 2010 3:15:05 PM
The question is, why did he ask her for her papers? You said she was Latina, but not an immigrant. What if she was born in Arizona, as were her parents, and grandparents and she doesn’t have her birth certificate on her, but she does have her driver’s license? Would the cop have asked a Polish American or Irish American for papers under the same circumstances?
I don’t know. Its your imagined scenario. The key is why he asked her.

The most incredible evil blackens the earth, nations squash their own like annoying insects. China, Russia, N. Korea, all Islamic states, to name a few, don’t just timidly violate the rights of persons, but either crush or exterminate whole groups of humans.
We, the USA, experience a state’s desperation to control its border, ill-conceived of not, and our “leaders” hold that polity (Arizona) out as a violator of human rights. Amazing cowardice, even by the standards of the great fool, Obama, and his minions.

“Shoddy journalism . . . the ‘quote’ is out of context. In the next paragraph, the true context is revealed . ..”
tierra, your ridiculous and meaningless clarification does nothing to mitigate the shear cluelessness the administration has to actual human rights violations.

Try and enter China illegally, how could anyone have a dialouge with China about human rights?

the shear cluelessness the administration has to actual human rights violations.
Posted by: J.R. | May 17, 2010 3:47:06 PM
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Like what?

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | May 17, 2010 2:00:01 PM posted: “The Dems need to be thrown totally out of office, as anti-citizens.”
Rick, how would a Conservative federal government do better? Conservatives HATE the concept of immigration reform because it means more expensive labor in the “free market” + hordes of new voters.
You may recall in 2008 George W. Bush said that one of his biggest Presidential disappointments was the failure to pass a comprehensive bill on immigration reform. EIGHT years of never addressing the core issue: how to keep our economy on track using legal Migrant Workers.
By the way, for anyone who ate fruits, vegetables, or meat processed by immigrant workers today, you helped perpetuate the problem. Our agricultural sector would be in chaos without migrant labor – and I guarantee not all of them are legal.

California is going to have that thing they sit on, handed to them, by AZ.
Boycott AZ business and sports events?
Really – AZ, can at any time, can cut off up to 50% of the power it supplies Ca. If CA can disregard contractual obligations, so can AZ. Let’s see if the city of angles can see in the dark, to match their state of reality.

The Chinese people need to present their papers just to travel across provincial borders. At least a cornhusker doesn’t need a visa to visit Arizona.
Chinese officials must be smirking (or guffawing) at the wimpy US government!

“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session and as a troubling trend in our society, and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or POTENTIAL discrimination.”
Cheap thrills for cheap journalism.
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Posted by: tierra | May 17, 2010 3:30:35 PM
So let me get this straight, when our state department goes to China to talk about human rights, the USA brings up Potential Discrimination that maybe might happen in Arizona? They have time to talk about maybe there might be racial discrimination sometime somewhere. There isn’t enough wrong with the world to talk about actual discrimination that has actually occurred?
Is our State Department insane?!?

The people should show their support and buy something online from AZ this weekend.

Deport all illegals and vote out of office all incumbents. Then start the treason trials.

Jake,
Let’s compare online and on TV, the Federal law and the AZ law. Word for Word.

Mexicans here and in Mexico are rather upset by the recent enactment of stricter anti-illegal alien laws by Arizona ‘s governor.
In light of the following, that position demonstrates the typical double standard used by race-hustlers and assorted something-for-nothings. Read on, and read it to the end.
New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message…
1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
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2. All ballots will be in this nation’s language.
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3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
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4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
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5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
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6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
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7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
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8. If foreigners come here and buy land… options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
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9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
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10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
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Too strict?……
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!

IMO, the negative costs are more concentrated in certain Border States like Arizona or cities like Los Angeles or Chicago. But the rest of America benefits with lower prices for things like restaurant meals, fresh produce, and cheap construction.
If there were no undocumented workers available for those jobs, employers would be forced to invest in expensive new technology, replacing illegal workers with automation, or higher paid US workers. So a Federal Solution means there’s the serious potential of increasing costs for everyone at a time when the economy is fragile.
Can you just picture how many American citizens would apply to work for $5.00 an hour gutting chickens all day with no benefits? There absolutely needs to be a guest worker solution for the entire country.

Liberals feel ever so noble when they get to air America’s dirty laundry, when they can find it. Vote the commies out.

Yeah the irony is thick. I’m getting a little sick and tired of the hate America parade around the world. These idiots i’m positive can’t be this stupid it’s got to be the willful systatic perversion of our society. What jerks

Only a fool would choose the devil as confessor.

I don’t like the some of the extremist messages I am seeing on this blog (e.g., commies, trying people for treason). This interferes with rationale debates and decision making. I think Center One took a reasoned approach which gives me hope.

Please speculate wildly about how many people would be incarcerated long term or killed by the new AZ law. Compare your wildest nightmare scenarios to the millions of Chinese deaths and incarcerations over the decades.
You liberal defenders have neither logic nor common sense. There are absolutes in this world. You liberals prove it by being absolutely ridiculous.

Benn, we have “this many idiots and America haters in important positions…” because the President feels the same way about the USA.
That is why he so often apologizes for America’s past defending liberty around the world, characterizing it as unjustly “imposing our values” on others.
Imagine that–imposing democracy on unwilling dictators. We were SO evil before.
Good thing we elected a community activist with no business or military experience and just one term in national public office to fix the arrogant mistakes of people with real life experience.

HAHAHA ! What a freakin joke. The Democratic Socialists in the white house have made a career of not reading anything relevant to their jobs. the joke is one them because the AZ law simply mirrored the Federal Law. Thats right folks they did that for a reason. So if the AZ law is so draconian then so is the Federal Law ! They are going around talking trash on their own FEDERAL law and they dont even know it because none of them will take the time to read it. The only thing that consoles me as I watch the country go down in flames is the comedy that this white house produces. I thought Bush was bad…. these guys are taking it to a whole new level.

Another Obama pant load apologizing to foreign governments in my name and I’m damned tired of it. No one thinks the Arizona law is “troubling” except the democrats that see votes going back across the border before the next election cycle….

I am appalled that there is no reference to the fact that Arizona’s law is almost word for word the same as our Federal Law that the Federal Government HAS NOT BEEN ENFORCING! I see no reference to the fact that there are over 1000 ILLEGAL ALIENS entering Arizona on a DAILY BASIS!
I also saw no reference to the fact that when Obama was a Senator, he ENDORSED securing our borders!
Talk about hypocrites!
For the liberals who say that our borders should be open and that Illegals should not have to be sent back home, I tell them to go live on that border for a few days! People are being killed, raped, kidnapped, drugs are being brought in, and these people are being discriminated against?
There is no place in that law that speaks of skin color and it is in no way racial profiling. That’s always what liberals fall back on when we speak of our dislike for Mr. Obama, now they use it for wanting to get rid of people who refuse to do things the LEGAL way!
What part of ILLEGAL do people not understand?????

This is crazy.. an American telling Commie China our Arizona law is troubling? China has MURDERED 100 million people.. DEMs get your heads outa your A**.. GOD BLESS Arizona

Calif. penal code pertaining to immigration similar to Ariz.’s SB 1070 By Kerry Picket on May 15, 2010
The Los Angeles City Council’s vote to boycott Arizona caused more consternation than anything else. L.A. City Council members voted an overwhelming 13-1 to terminate any city contracts with Arizona (worth about $7.7 million) as did other American cities who have considered resolutions to protest the Arizona law or seek boycotts. Among these cities are San Francisco and St. Paul, Minn.
The lone dissenter on the council, Republican Greig Smith, said in an e-mail statement:
“The Hahn motion is not in the economic best interests of the City of Los Angeles. I have always opposed using the Los Angeles City Council to weigh in on non-related social issues that are not within the purview of Los Angeles. I voted no on the motion to boycott Arizona.”
Unfortunately, Mr. Smith’s thinking did not find its way to the United Nations. The international body, that recognizes genocidal tyrants and enables them to remain in power, weighed in on the debate, saying, “The law may lead to detaining and subjecting to interrogation persons primarily on the basis of their perceived ethnic characteristics.”
“I cannot go to Arizona today without a passport,” Los Angeles Councilman Ed Reyes, a Democrat, said before the vote. “If I come across an officer who’s had a bad day and feels the picture on my ID is not me, I could be summarily deported — no questions asked. That is not American.”
Oh really? I interviewed Mr. Reyes (ENTIRE AUDIO INTERVIEW) on Friday about his thinking on Arizona’s immigration law, known as SB 1070. While Mr. Reyes insisted he read the 16-page law and is aware that the law prohibits law enforcement officers from asking individuals their legal status based on their race, national origin, and color, he said that the law would not stop law enforcement officers from racially profiling anyway. (AUDIO)
“Why should I as an American worry about walking down a street in the United States fearing harassment, because of the color of my skin? Why should I have to live like that?”(AUDIO)
I pressed him on that issue reminding the city councilman that SB 1070 is based on federal immigration law of the past 70 years. I asked what exactly changed in his mind.
“You have a law that begins to classify and categorize a whole group of people that look a certain way. You’re creating a second-class citizen. You’re creating an environment of fear.” Below is a partial transcript of our conversation:
PICKET: Where exactly in the law does it say that? Considering that it prohibits that? As I’m asking here, federal law which has been around for about seventy years has been saying that undocumented individuals have to be carrying papers, so what exactly has changed between federal law of the last seventy years and Arizona’s law?
REYES: What’s changed is you have a very active effort to round up people that look a certain way, and if you have proof you are an American citizen that let you go, and if you don’t they deport you. So now, that I look like a Mexican, and I am Mexican American, I become a target.(AUDIO)
PICKET: Why is this law considered any different than what has been around for the last seventy years…because it’s being enforced?
REYES: Why does a state have to call that out? Why can’t it just follow the federal law like you said for the past seventy years? (AUDIO)
I also spoke with Becca Doten, communications director for Los Angeles City Councilman and Democrat Richard Alarcon. Doten relayed the Councilman’s response to my questions regarding his vote to boycott Arizona.
“He read the law. He doesn’t believe that Arizona Police are inherently racist, but he believes that the law will create circumstances that can enable racial profiling, because they [The Arizona Police] have never been trained on immigration law, false ID’s, etcetera, that’s specific to immigration enforcement. It’s not that they’re inherently racist but that they’re unskilled in trying to enforce a law in which they have not had specific training.”
This is an interesting argument, considering the California Penal Code actually requires that every law enforcement agency in the state shall “fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.”
Below is a copy of section 834b of the California Penal Code that deals with immigration law enforcement at the local level.
(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
Here is Arizona’s SB 1070
ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS
14 11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of
15 immigration laws; indemnification
16 A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
19 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
27 C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS
28 CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM
29 IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE
30 TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND
31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.
32 D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY
33 SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES
34 AND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY’S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO
35 ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE
36 JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
UPDATED 5/17/10 – Whoa! Apparently, Los Angeles politicians have not read their own penal codes, because it appears to read similarly to SB 1070. Unfortunately, California has looked the other way with a wink and a nod and allowed the City and County of San Francisco to become a City and County of Refuge. The contradiction is another area that Californians have yet to clear up themselves.(h/t J.Scharf)
In 2007 San Francisco was sued for not complying with state law and failing to report non – citizens for drug arrests. It should be noted that according to reports, the individual who filed the lawsuit was a “70-year old Portola district resident who came to the United States from Nicaragua at the age of 9… said he opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants, especially those who break the law after they get here.”
Placing boycotts on Arizona, using excuses like SB 1070 could “lead to racial profiling”, or that the Arizona police are not sufficiently “trained” to handle a job the federal authorities should be doing, is just nonsense. The Los Angeles City Council and cities currently boycotting Arizona might want to re-examine their own immigration laws before they start nitpicking at others.

It’s real simple– even a liberal can understand it:
If the administration doesn’t like the AZ law, and they are so “concerned” or “afraid” of what might happen– including adoption of similar laws by other states– they should secure the border. That would be the first step that intelligent people would take. But we are dealing with liberals, so…

It’s a “troubling trend” in America alright, Barack, when the people want their laws enforced.

How Dare Michael Posner, who led the US delegation to the talks bring this up with China! I am shocked, shocked, that the administration brought up the AZ law with China. Is there no limit to how much this administration will embarrass us and show their ignorance? This administration is NOT representing me, only their own agenda which is very, very scary!

Wow, what a bunch of hatriots in here. Hey, folks, you lost . . . again (remember the Civil War?) . . . get over it :)

Obama administration apologizes for following federal laws??
We, the people of the United States of America apologize for this clown that was chosen.
We vow not to do it again.
Uphold our laws and constitution and STOP aplogizing to everyone about everything American!
Ship your Auntie back home while your at it. You want the wealth spread around?
Start by paying all her debts to us, the citizens who are footing her bills!

We have a problem alright. Successive administrations that violate the laws by selectively enforcing them and, in so doing, put the nation and its people at great risk.
If anyone misses the point, it is that we are a diverse nation (unlike almost all others) whose only binding tie between all citizens, regardless of origin, is our commitment to voluntarily follow the rule of law, created by our representatives, whether we like that law or not. Without that, everything else is rubbish and, instead of a “thin blue line” to maintain order at the fringes, it would require a military/police state of unrealizable size to hold us together – that is, we’d fall apart. Why should we stay together in a sham world of sham laws?
The present illegal cohort spits in the face of voluntary compliance and this nation’s culture and they are encouraged by craven politicians of both parties whose corruption has reached indescribably proportions through the legalized bribery of the campaign contribution system.
Of course they hate the AZ law – whose procedure for identifying illegals is again misrepresented in this article – because it highlight just how corrupt they have become.

6000 Americans Murdered by illegal aliens in 2005
The real war is in America, Iraq is a snapshot of things to come when critical illegal alien mass is reached. Rape, Murder and Kidnapping is on it’s way to your neighborhood.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9c_1190062850
Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
Washington Too Concerned With al Qaeda Terrorists to Care, Officials Say
By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009—
In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1

Disgraceful! I wonder if the State Department mentioned the Arizona rancher’s kindness to illegal aliens before he was killed on his own land.

But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.
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Discretionary spending on border security is up 55 percent between 2007 and 2011.

Finally the Obama administration has done something right for a change. This was surely a stroke of genius well beyond anything I can remember in the last 40 years.
The Red Chinese must be completely baffled by our state department and must be thinking that something big is about to unfold. They must be wondering what we have up our sleeve, because why else would one of our federal officials complain about us enforcing our own laws. I bet the Reds are now assembling intelligence teams to model what we could be up to. Maybe they think we are going to annex Mexico for all their wealth, technology and vast natural resources. Or maybe, they think we are going to invade everyone south of our boarder including South America and rename our country the United States OF ALL THE Americas!!!
I say brilliant our foreign policy has never been clearer and for once we have the Red Chinese on the run. Look out Putin were messing with you head next.
How pathetic, and what a pity, that we have federal officials that have sworn to uphold the law of the land and protect the Constitution of this great country serving in office. Arrest them, try them for treason, and send them to a Mexican or Chinese jail for the rest of their life.
The Chinese don’t have an illegal immigration problem…. you know why???? Because no one in their right mind would want to enter that country illegally. You would be lost in their system forever and left to rot. That is after they realized that they were going to have to pay for your existence, health care, and education…
I am going to be sick now..

“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session and as a troubling trend in our society, and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination. And these are issues very much being debated in our own society,” Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy Human Rights and Labor Michael Posner, who led the US delegation to the talks, told reporters on Friday.
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These issues are not being debated in our own society? Oh yeah, I forgot . . . the USA is totally free of racism.

Marie, I will remind you that Reagan granted amnesty and Bush had 8 years to deal with the problem. Liberals didn’t create this. Learn your facts.

“Treason against the United States,shall consist only in levying war against them, or in giving them Aid and Comfort.” Article III section 3. U.S Constitution.
Everything that comes out of anyone’s mouth from this administration seems to be on the level of “Aid and Comfort”

The troubling trend in our society is China’s influence over America’s foreign and domestic policies.

Why cannot some see the difference between “immigrant” and “Illegal immigrant”.
Let me spell it out for those who cannot comprehend…It’s the word “Illegal”.
See that wasn’t so hard.
But, it seems the current administration cannot discern what “Illegal” is. No matter what the issue is.
And we actually think these bozos were elected to protect our liberties and our status as citizens? (Rhetorical)
Please keep the change!

The Chinese are gaoling more journalists than the rest of the world combined, brutally occupying Tibet and Xinjiang, threatening a democratic ally, Taiwan, with annihilation, blatantly ignoring its own constitution and principles it signed up to when joining the UN by limiting free speech and access to vital information, engage in torture, etc etc etc
And the US is wringing its hands in front of Chinese over immigration???? Some leader of the free world…

Perhaps the State Department can explain how the Arizona law is “misguided” but indistinguishable federal law is not. It is not unconstitutional or pernicious to require aliens to possess registration papers; federal law has required as much for decades. 8 U.S.C. § 1304(e) (“shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession”). Pretty much every country in the world requires this. There is nothing inherently unconstitutional about authorized law enforcement agents investigating someone’s right to be in the country. Again, federal law already does this: an INS officer may, without a warrant, “interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or remain in the United States.” 8 U.S.C. § 1357(a)(1). Courts regularly uphold the Constitutionality of this statutory scheme. Likewise, the Supreme Court has frequently defined “reasonable suspicion,” so that is hardly a novel concept to any legal professional attending the conference. While there is room for disagreement as to whether states have the authority to enforce immigration issues, it is nonsensical to suggest that the substance of Arizona’s law is inherently discriminatory when the federal government has been doing the same thing since 1940.

This administration will go down as the worst in US history doing the most damage to our country in just 4-short years. Since the President and his regime don’t believe in the rule of law, and Obama doesn’t defend the Constitution as he swore an oath stating he would do, he should be IMPEACHED!

HE is proven WEAKKKKKKKKK, WEAKKKKKK.
Shame for the MAIN STREAM MEDIA – They don’t report, they fail to cover, they try every way to protect OBAMA.
I was a long time democrate but I will not vote for him on 2012 definitely, no matter how the economy is – good or bad.
He is weak. Bush was not good. He is worse.

I am speechless! No, wait!
Obama! I voted for you. I am a democrat, part Native American who marched for civil rights in the 60′s and 70′s. I know what real racism is. I live here in AZ and I am 100% in favor of SB 1070. I am SO disappointed in your administration in regard to our new law here in AZ.

It has been increasingly obvious that the November elections are critical to the survival of this country. It used to the the greatest country on earth, now I can’t say that anymore. 2010 is the second American Revolution. It might be our last chance to turn this country around! God help us if the democrats retain power, we will be doomed.

What a collection of morons. Well, this Administration DOES NOT speak for this country and in November we will make that fact apparent to the whole world.

Chuck Fina!! Who cares what the Chinese Gov. thinks? If I went across their border illegally I might never be heard from again. So who are they to criticize us for attempting to control our borders? They probably like the fact that many Mexicans that illegally cross our borders belong to Communist groups or are sympathetic to Communist causes. So they want them to continue to populate our country.

The incredible irony in all of this is that California has an immigration law that is already on the books that looks almost exactly like Arizona’s:
(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
Since pinhead like Obama, Holder and Napolitano gave their opinion of Arizona’s law without having read it, it’s a sure bet that they don’t even know that California’s exists and has been in place for quite some time. Ironic isn’t it?

Those people in D.C., apparently do not know that the Chinese government requires “identity documents” for travel by THEIR citizens in Mainland China, plus different ones for Hong Kong, and different ones for Macau. Or that they have strictly enforced travel and immigration policies. Be prepared to show passport, visa, and entry stamps when you check in at hotels, hostels, etc. Staying in a PRIVATE residence? Within hours, you must report the visit and present officials with a copy of the photograph page of your passport, (2) a copy of your visa, (3) a copy of your immigration entry stamp, (4) a photograph, (5) a copy of the tenancy agreement or other document concerning the place you are staying in. There may be additional restrictions on visas for political reasons as well, and these vary over time. Oh, and Indian nationals are singled out for “special treatment.” THEY are limited to 10 or 15 day tourist visas, and have to show US $100 per day of visa validity in the form of traveler’s checks (US $1000 and US $1500, respectively.) Why? Because they fear “visits” by Indians will turn into
illegal immigration because of their border with India! And on, and on, and on. And OUR government is apologizing to CHINA for one little state that is simply ENFORCING our ONE federal immigration law? How ridiculous! WHERE were the people making these apologies educated? Harvard? Which has somehow become the DC Oracle of Delphi these days. If so, they are the perfect example of a left-wing, dumbed-down university circus–and Obama is the lead clown.

Obama needs to be impeached! This idiot does not even know what the law states….in fact, it mirrors our Federal laws!!!!
Dear God, what is this administration doing to this country. Time for Americans to wake up….while we still have America – not Obamanation!!!!!

Yet another kowtow to the communist party in China. And, by the way, one instance does not constitute a trend. It’s called a fantastic start.

We have idiots in every spot in the Cabinet. This administration is not following the Constitution – they are Socialists and they all need to be impeached, now! Obama will apologize to every Communist and Muslim country in the world! He is ruining the USA!

So you really want to SAVE America? Take a good look at EVERYTHING the Federal Government is doing and DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

The way I read this, the US raised the issue which is totally wrong. If they want to ask questions about it, they can. If they don’t any questions, then leave them out of the discussion. It is none of their business.

Hosner is a well known Anti-American organizer! he and Hillary Clinton are right in line with Obama! Obama hates America and our Capitalism! We have to defeat this man and his ideals!

Where do all these America loathing, freedom hating pinheads come from? Before Obama I never would have guessed we had so many Marxists in America. I wonder what Obama would do if Mexico invaded Arizona? How can anybody feel safe with this commie clown and his merry band of collectivists calling the shots?

I don’t get it. Did the Law changed to allow illegal aliens in the country without recourse/penalty? Is it no longer criminal to be in the USA illegally? If that’s so then why did the Feds run after Boy George not too long ago for overstaying in the US????

If you libs and marxists want open borders and a free for all welfare grab, could you please volunteer your wages to pay for the social welfare programs?
Nah! thought you wouldn’t like that idea, you prefer to rob from the hard working Americans to fund your marxist social engineering projects.
Just remember, we patriots have very long memories.

If you libs and marxists want open borders and a free for all welfare grab, could you please volunteer your wages to pay for the social welfare programs?
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I haven’t see ANYBODY on this site arguing in favor of ‘open borders’ nor a ‘free for all welfar grab’.
That’s something you’ve made up so you can hurl insults at people.
Try to stick to reality. I know it’s hard for the right wing . .. but try to deal with reality, not your fantasies.

What is troubling is that a state has to resort to this type of bill that will do what the government has supposed to have been doing all along. Securing the border. Arizona has requested help from the Feds time and time again and has recently been turned down by the Obama administration. Government wants the status quo on the border for various reasons. With illegals crossing the border comes drugs and cheap labor. Obama also knows that he wants to legalize the illegals here now for votes.

What is troubling is that a state has to resort to this type of bill that will do what the government has supposed to have been doing all along. Securing the border.
Posted by: Eyeball | May 17, 2010 8:58:59 PM
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Discretionary spending on border security is up 55 percent between 2007 and 2011.

China must think that the US is a nation of idiots. Don’t blame them.

An apology for something like Arizona’s anti-illegal immigrant law is patently ridiculous.
China routinely deports N. Koreans, who really should qualify for refugee status or asylum. Once back in N. Korea, the deportees are executed.
In France, the police can stop anyone and ask to see their travel papers or id’s.
If you’re an illegal immigrant, you’re arrested and then deported. And, profiling is par for the course.
Police elsewhere have had the same authority for years. And, most governments of developed countries try to guard their borders more effectively than the U.S. does.

COMMUNISM IS WELLCOME YOU AMERICA!
YES WE CAN…

Oh, I see “j”, you attack the AZ bill for deferring to existing federal law. Got it. Nice try.
Why not use the “This immigration law that I inherited” approach? The “blame Bush” tactic is still ever so effective.

The Chinese laugh at us. Here’s a TV news report from AZ that proves illegals from TERRORIST COUNTRIES enter from Mexico into AZ, yet we’re fighting in Afghanistan to supposedly keep this from happening.

I still don’t get it. People who enter this country knowingly illegally deserve jail AND deportation. I am a former ICE Detention and Removal agent, so I’m familiar with the laws governing immigration. Went through the training in Artesia and a quite detailed overview as to how much it costs this country. Every single illegal who does this with the knowlege of it’s illegality is spitting in the face of those who wait in line and follow the law. You libs cannot argue with ANY of what I’ve said…it is 100% fact. I’m all for making it easier for those who wish to come here, regardless of their race or nationality, to get a piece of the pie. But they need to pay their dues in prison, go back to where they came from—and get in the back of the line.

Maybe people should boycott California since they have their own version of our Arizona immigration law too. It’s call Penal code 834b. I guess the only difference is that we will enforce ours.

Bill MO:
As Quoteed in my last comment:
SB 1070 (That is the Arizona Law) on page 2, section 13-1509, line 45.
They designed it (not me) to revert to Federal Law, Bush has nothing to do with it and for the record: I am Pro-Bush.

Why are we as (at one time) the most powerful and respected country apoligizing to China about onne of the 50 states enforcing the law. China is one of the worst nations when it comes to dealing with its citizens. If you don’t agree with the government in China, they just kill you. Who is running tis nut house. Good By in November.

Why are we as (at one time) the most powerful and respected country apoligizing to China
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Nobody was apoligizing (sic) to China. That’s something the right wing blogs MADE UP today to try to discredit the Democrats.
There was no apology of any kind.

Why can’t ABC News get it right? No wonder people are confused by an inaccurate quote like this:
“The Arizona immigration law requires law enforcement to inquire about an individual’s immigration status if there is suspicion they are in the country illegally.”
That is absolutely NOT what the law states or requires. Inquiries can be made only after a person is stopped for some other infraction.

progressive—{{{sigh}}} it’s like trying to argue with a parrot.

“There was no apology of any kind. ” – tierra
Huuummmmm . . . . .
So the administration isn’t apologizing and is now proud of Arizona and it’s new law. I hadn’t seen that anywhere else.

Posted by: The Voice of Reason | May 17, 2010 10:20:28 PM
Most parrots don’t have the ability to read and research extensively . .. most parrots are content to regurgitate half-digested worms from Beck or the overweight guy, or other self-supporting back eddies of misinformation.

Did the offending parties knowingly break the law?
If the answer is “yes” then there aren’t two legitimate sides IMO.
YOu can choose to believe me or don’t. I don’t listen to Beck because I’m at work during his TV show and his radio show. He’s a bit of an alarmist. Rush is OK but I don’t form my opinions based on him. I form them based on many different things but mostly my upbringing as the son of a DEA agent and my own research. Same as you.
Knowingly Illegal=jail.

I think that there’s a lot of validity to some of the views held by the left, although I don’t agree with them obviously. But I really really want to know how anyone can even defend people who knowingly break the law.

But I really really want to know how anyone can even defend people who knowingly break the law.
Posted by: The Voice of Reason | May 17, 2010 10:53:16 PM
That isn’t the main argument for many on the left. Some, yes, but for many it has to do with the situation that will be created between the police and several communities, the potential for racial profiling, and the fact that its unclear the pros will outweigh the cons over time. Two of the key rationales for the law seems to be the high number of unauthorized immigrants– but more importantly, the high number of crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants. Example:
“Border violence and crime due to illegal immigration are critically important issues to the people of our state. There is no higher priority than protecting the citizens of Arizona. We cannot sacrifice our safety to the murderous greed of the drug cartels. ” Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer at the signing of SB 1070.
Meanwhile, according to FBI stats, the violent crime and property crime rates are down– decreasing– in Arizona, and have been falling for years.
Also research shows that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than native-born American citizens.
So… some of the rhetoric appears fishy– and fearmongering.

To China from a citizen of the USA. We need more states to enact and pursue this law.

That isn’t the main argument for many on the left. Some, yes, but for many it has to do with the situation that will be created between the police and several communities, the potential for racial profiling, and the fact that its unclear the pros will outweigh the cons over time.
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Often people opposed to this law point to this but neglect to also include the very specific penalties built into the AZ law as consequences to law enforcement officials who racially profile.
Meanwhile, according to FBI stats, the violent crime and property crime rates are down– decreasing– in Arizona, and have been falling for years.
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This is an interesting comment and I am seriously wondering about those FBI stats considering a)Phoenix (not the largest in population by far) is the city in the US with the highest kidnapping rate and b) over half of all illegals (which is a crime being ILLEGAL and we are talking about 500,000 people in 2009) entering the US come through AZ. Not to mention the tons (they have video of raids) of drugs that have been confiscated as part of what is smuggled across the border. How bad does it need to get before they ought to do something??

Isn’t the government guilty of profiling every time it asks for “race” on any government form, e.g. school registration, Census, driver’s license, etc.? Oh – silly me – that’s okay, but upholding its own law is not.

22% of felony indictments in Maricopa County (Phoenix) are for criminals who are illegal aliens. Even though they are less than 8% of the population. This does not include charges out of City Courts and Federal Court. I would suspect that the indictments in Federal Court is much higher than 22%.
Viva Arizona Governor Jan Brewer.

The Marxist has to go.
Posted by: bobmac | May 17, 2010 11:31:37 PM
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This is exactly the tactic taken during the election . . . calling Obama a foreigner, a terrorist, anti-American, a woman hater, anti-semetic, a muslim . .. any kind of name calling to try to smear and spread fear.
Demonizing the Democrats.
Stop with the inflammatory nonsense and name calling.

If it walks and talks like a Marxist it’s a Marxist.All hail Alinsky.

If the press would have vetted Obama instead of kissing his ring we wouldn’t have to waste time talking about him and his amateur hour administration.The assistant secretary of state apologising to China for human rights issues is beyond belief.That’s Obama’s gift,apologising to foreign governments for the United States.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your shilling for this guy.

President Obama has called it “misguided.”
the only thing ‘misguided’ was me when I voted for this guy.

As a resident of Arizona (seriously doubt you are), please keep your un-informed comments to yourself.
Posted by: Matt | May 18, 2010 12:10:22 AM
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What comments exactly are you referring to, since you don’t bother to take up any of the comments, but rather just hurl insults?

It seems like an odd policy for Obama to “apologise” to China about.
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Nobody ‘apologized’ to anybody.

Why is Obama constantly apologizing
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Nobody ‘apologized’ to anybody on human rights. That’s just the Republican rights word they’re using to try to smear the Democrats.

Why bring it up “early and often” to the Chinese? Quit playing word games.We were bringing Arizona up with the Chinese who kill or imprison their people for looking sideways.Why?
Posted by: bobmac | May 18, 2010 12:40:45 AM
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Why do you think?

What is the Chinees law on foriegn persons who enter China illegally?
What is out future with our growing debt to China? What about fair trade? What about American jobs jobs jobs Obama?

Racial profiling? Misguided?
OK try this: receive ANY government service, show proof of citizenship.
You must apply to prove it within 30 days of moving to Arizona. It would be like applying for a Passort.
Too much trouble for illegals to get around? Simply move to San Francisco. No questions asked there.

“May you live in interesting times”, was a phrase spoken in England about the time of the Dark Ages. Who could say that we do not live in interesting times, today. My personal anguish of watching a seismic shift in the American culture toward a Marxist philosophy, makes me want to vomit. I didn’t grow up that way. When I went to Viet Nam in 1973, the reason was to kill socialists, not elect them president.
I fear greatly for my grand-children, as they grow into the future. At age eight my grandson has already been taught the values of his fathers. He loves Jesus, joined the Cub Scouts, learned how to shoot a BB gun and knows that his teachers are not to be trusted. I guarantee he will mean big trouble for the dictator who will surely grow out of America’s malaise.
For myself, this country has been everything for me. My hope, …my wish, is that I might have an opportunity to offer my life, again defending the land that I love, against those who would see it become something vile and corrupt. To be called upon twice in my life, would be an honor greater that I could have never imagined.
God, Family and Country – values to live (or die) for.

It is not “name calling and fear tactics” to identify Obama’s belief in Alinsky’s tactics. It’s a fact. It’s the truth. How messed up is this administration to bring up Arizona’s law enforcement of ILLEGAL immigrants as “troubling” when China is known for rolling tanks over protestors?! It’s like being in bizarro world while this president and his minions are in control.

You nailed it BobG.I’m gone.

2012 can’t get here soon enough…

It’s not a matter of racism. It’s a matter of they are breaking our law. ILLEGAL alien. ENFORCE THE LAW!!!!!!

This administration is so far in the tank for illegal immigrant votes that it has to oppose the AZ law in a Human Rights Conference in China?…China?
The true American people who love our heritage, the Costitution, and the Bill of Rights had better be watching. This Administration is all but trashing everything Conservatives hold dear, and we are only yet in year 2.
REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

IS OBAMA REALLY A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES? I DO BELIEVE HE IS BANKRUPTING THE UNITED STATES.
DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT
YOUR STATE GOVERNMENT VOTES ON AND
PUTS INTO LAW? MUST BE NICE, BECAUSE
WE IN ARIZONA DON’T. ILLEGAL MEANS
ALL PEOPLE LIKE FROM THE ARABS COUNTRY,
ASIA’S, AFRICA, SOUTH AMERICA. DO YOU
PEOPLE REALIZE IN EUROPE EVERYONE HAS
TO HAVE A PASSPORT. YOU HAVE NO IDEAL
WHAT WE IN ARIZONA GO THROUGH. MY
FAMILY CAME HERE FROM ITALY AND GERMANY AND WE DID IT LEGALLY. WE DIDN’T STEAL
SOMEONE ELSE’S SOCIAL SECURITY. GO TRY
LIVING IN RUSSIA, JAPAN(THEY CUT YOUR
HAND OFF FOR STEALING), GO TO THE
ARABS SEE WHAT YOU GET THERE. NEED TO
PAY ATTENTION TO ABUSED CHILDREN AND
WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. CRY BABIES.

IS OBAMA REALLY A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES?
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Right away you bring discredit to your post. Have you not researched this?

When dealing with a foreign country, you never put any so-called weakness on the plate. You deal from strength.
Posted by: Mooneyman | May 18, 2010 1:30:05 AM
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That’s exactly what the administration did.
They pointed out to the Chinese how crucial human rights are to the United States way of life. That when a law was proposed that had the potential to have citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!
The administration was pointing out that dealing with civil rights issue is crucial to the American way of life – as an example to the Chinese.
That you chose to see this as ‘apologizing’ for America is absolutely wrong.

We are not Republicans demonizing Democrats. We are Democrats demonizing incompetents — duplicitous incompetents.

We are not Republicans demonizing Democrats. We are Democrats demonizing incompetents — duplicitous incompetents.
Posted by: Irish Mo | May 18, 2010 1:43:25 AM
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Oh ‘we’ are, are ‘we’ . . . sure thing.

The rule of law is a troubling trend to the useless beasts occupying the White House? Arrest them immediately.

Tierra,
That was very comendable, best wishes!
Matt

Tierra wrote:
‘You have much more to fear for your grandchildren from those things than you do from the Democratic party.’
I beg to differ with you on this one. The Democratic party in its current iteration is tearing down the supports of our Constitution and our way of life more than at any other time in our history. The passage of the so-called Healthcare Bill is a major example. The debt burden on our country that has been increased by this administration will crush us if not reversed. Cap and trade is coming. A Fat Tax. Amnesty for illegals. Creeping government control in our lives. Give it up already!

Tierra,
Do you realize that China is carrying our National debt? Not good!

Tierra,
Do you realize that China is carrying our National debt? Not good!
Posted by: Matt | May 18, 2010 2:00:43 AM
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I understand that completely, and I understand that the Bush administration put 2 wars, the seniors drug program and tax cuts for the rich on the Chinese Express credit card – debt to the Chinese for our children.
And I understand that when the economy went into almost free-fall collapse – after 12 years of Republican policy holding a majority in the two chambers of Congress, and 6 years holding the presidency – that collapse SEVERELY impacted our debt, our deficits and our financial health.

Posted by: Angry American | May 18, 2010 1:59:57 AM
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We all fear for our grand children.
The oil accident in the Gulf is just one of many ecological disasters that may be coming home to roost, including the spewing of green houses gases into the atmosphere, the poisoning of the oceans with disintegrating plastic, the depletion of the world’s fish stocks, the overuse of artificial fertilizers and pesticides, the contamination and reduction in the water tables . … and so on.
Those things have a far greater chance of SERIOUSLY impacting your grandchildren’s lives – and the health of the entire planet – than whether the Republicans get back in office. Hell, we just saw what the Republicans are capable of for 8 years – and it left the country in a mess.
Time to get smart.

The Arizona law specifically forbids racial profiling… Despite the fact that the vast majority of those violating our immigration laws are from a single race.
Quite commendable on the part of Arizona.
Who is discriminating based on race other than those opposed to the AZ law ???
Posted by: Cowboy | May 18, 2010 2:08:24 AM
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PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed a follow-on bill approved by Arizona legislators that make revisions to the state’s sweeping law against illegal immigration — changes she says should quell concerns that the measure will lead to racial profiling.
“These new statements make it crystal clear and undeniable that racial profiling is illegal, and will not be tolerated in Arizona,” she said in a statement.
Changes to the bill language will actually remove the word “solely” from the sentence, “The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin.”
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This administration pointed out to the Chinese how crucial human rights are to the United States way of life. That when a law was proposed that had the potential to have citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!

I will Tierra (gave you a capitol), thanks. But dam it, I feel all the friends I’ve lost and the sacrifices Ive made are in vain. I really am not comfortable with the government right now. We need change, but Barrack is not the solution. Thanks though for the kind wishes. My liberal older sister just foams at the mouth and stomps out of the room with me. Seems like you have a glimmer of hope in you. Just keep an open mind.
MATT

From Tierra: “This administration pointed out to the Chinese how crucial human rights are to the United States way of life. That when a law was proposed that had the potential to have citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!”
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Amusing. The fact is, racial profiling in implementing the law was already illegal. The so-called ‘change’ was made simply to put in the specific wording to make it clear in terms of political correctness to the so-many progressives who still don’t get it no matter how the law is worded… Probably don;t get it because most haven’t even bothered to actually read what they are complaining about… Like Obama, Holder and Napolitano…

The Obama administration has quadrupled the debt, and he has only just begun.
True Americans, concerned for our country, were appalled at the Bush Administration’s lack of fiscal restraint, the Iraq war, and the lack of border security.
Do you really think this administration is an improvement? By the looks of it we will be having a major Mideast conflict between Iran and israel because of Obama’s foreign policy incompetence. And he gave the rig that blew up in the Gulf a safety award last year. Gives me confidence!

From Tierra”The Republicans had the majority in both chambers of Congress from 1995 – 2006, 12 years AND the presidency for 8 year.
They had ALL of those years to put their economic policies in place to make the economy ‘strong’.
That’s a LOT of time. The result – the economy collapsed like a house of cards and so they start blaming the Democrats.
Wrong. Twelve years with the majority in Congress – 8 years with the presidency as well – and you blame it on the Democrats? Lame.”
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It was the Democrats who passed the laws that forced banks to make the bad loans.
It was the Democrats who are on video record as late as 2008 defending those laws and telling us that they posed no risk to the economy and taxpayers.
For a good number of those years you refer to, the Republicans did not have a large enough majority to override the Democrat laws, though they are on record telling Americans and Congress that there was risk and that we needed more oversight.
Republicans are guilty of not making a larger fuss to override the Democrat laws, out of political fear of being called ‘racist’.

From Tierra: “The fact is, racial profiling in implementing the law was already illegal.
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It was not.”
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It most certainly was. And still is.
Per the Constitution.
Progressives have a problem with the Constitution being ‘law’…

Actually, it was 2 years after the Democrats had regained control of both houses of Congress.
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Nonsense. Democrats took the majorities in Congress in January of 2007. The economic collapse had already begun, the warnings were already in . ..
“As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February (2008), for example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”

The law stated you could not enforce it ‘solely’ based on racial profiling.
If not ‘solely’ then it was illegal to profile racially anyways.
You are splitting hairs. The bill was changed on April 30th. This does not matter. What is plain is that the Left are trying as hard as they can to placate the illegal immigrant voting base (yes, they do vote. I.D. is not required and often prohibited as yet another violation of ‘civil rights’) as a firestorm from hell is coming in November.
You can flail all you want to , Tierra, but we know what is right, and what is wrong.

From Tierra: “Iran developed its secret nuclear facility on Bush’s watch.
North Korea tested their first nuclear weapon on Bush’s watch.
Bin Laden and al Qaeda escaped in Afghanistan on Bush’s watch.
The Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and became a force again in Afghanistan on Bush’s watch.
And you have trouble with the Democrats?”
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Absolutely.
Iran’s nuclear facility was, as you said, ‘secret’. It was not condoned.
North Korea developed that nuclear weapon while accepting economic bribes from the Democrats to not develop it.
Bin Laden ‘escaped Afghanistan’ ??? So you know where he is? And have proof he is alive? And al Qaeda has no borders to escape.
As for ‘regrouping’, first you say al Qaeda ‘escaped’ from Afghanistan, now you say they are ‘regrouped’ there. You are obviously quite confused.

From Tierra : “Nonsense, we have problems with states passing laws that state they can’t be enforced ‘solely’ on racial profiling.
“The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin.”"
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Now it is a problem that there are laws that prohibit racial profiling? You are obviously pretty confused.
The fact is, all federal laws by definition prohibit racial profiling. According to those who oppose the AZ law, very one of those federal laws is an opportunity for racial profiling to occur. Apparently you must think that every one of those federal laws is bad law…

Iran continues to develop its secret nuclear facility on Obama’s watch.
North Korea continues its nuclear weapon research on Obama’s watch.
Bin Laden and al Qaeda operate in Afghanistan on Obama’s watch.
The Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and became a force again in Afghanistan on Obama’s watch.
And you have trouble with the Republicans?
…WE can do this all day

Iran developed its secret nuclear facility on Bush’s watch.
North Korea tested their first nuclear weapon on Bush’s watch.
Bin Laden and al Qaeda escaped in Afghanistan on Bush’s watch.
The Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and became a force again in Afghanistan on Bush’s watch.
And you have trouble with the Democrats?
You have a problem with Bush.
But he is gone.
I have a problem with both parties that continue to grow government expotentially while the citizens of this country are treated as the King’s piggy bank, and put in debt for generations. It’s not about the Party, it’s not about Race. It is about integrity.
You will never understand us, as the Left only has contempt for those who do not agree with them.

Posted by: Cowboy | May 18, 2010 2:46:22 AM
I see now the truth means little to you.
Let’s just deal with one of your lies.
“you refer to Libby who was never actually convicted of the wrong-doing he was accused of. He was convicted of changing his story…”
In actual fact, (something apparently foreign to you), the jury convicted Libby on four of the five counts in the indictment: one count of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE; two counts of PERJURY; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators.
Those are criminal acts – why are you an apologist for criminal acts in the White House?
Let me see, Cheney walks directly from CEO of Halliburton directly into the White House.
Let me see, Halliburton deals directly in OIL related matters, and WAR related matters. I can’t see the potential for any problems there – none at all.

Tierra is very invested in absolving the Democrats from taking responsibility for doing what they did to cause the financial meltdown.
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Hahaha . .. by pointing out the Republicans had the majority in both chambers of Congress for 12 years – all the way from 1995 to 2007 – and the presidency for 8 years.
And with all that power and time, they built such a ‘strong’ Republican economy that it collapsed like a house of cards?
Republicans should have the common decency to admit their ‘strong’ economy was a sham.
They aren’t man enough.

Perhaps Arizona is only establishing the “National Security Force, just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded”… As Obama had said he wanted to do.
Posted by: torie | May 18, 2010 2:59:01 AM
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Discretionary spending on border security is up 55 percent between 2007 and 2011.

Tierra, No Comment?
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Has anyone noticed facts being brought up? alot…. So put your money where your mouth is. And ABC. I know not to start a sentance with and, but that will confirm; it seems thst tieara is on your payroll. If not, that would be intersting. You have my email.

From Tierra: “And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.”
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The law was not rewritten. Racial profiling was already illegal in its implementation, but redundant, politically correct words were added to clarify for progressives who still don’t get it, and who don’t bother to read the law anyway…

More embarrassing behavior from this pathetic administration. Going around to the most repressive regimes on the planet and apologizing for America shows what a delusional world of moral relativism the left wing politicians inhabit. I’ve heard comparisons of the Arizona law to the Nazis by some of the more intellectually challenged. The excreble baby boomer brats from the 60′s can pass none too soon.

apologizing for America
Posted by: trajan2448 | May 18, 2010 3:21:05 AM
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Nobody was apologizing for anything. Stop your right wing delusions.
The administration was pointing out how important civil and human rights are to America on an ongoing basis. That people are still free and willing to challenge and fight to ensure real civil rights on the ground level.
You do understand that the Arizona law was revised don’t you? And that it was revised specifically to deal with the concerns I just outlined?
I think the administration was pointing out that dealing with civil rights issue is crucial to the American way of life – as an example to the Chinese.
You chose to see it as an ‘apology’. I think in a very real way you insult not just the administration, but America with that narrow view.

Michael Posnar is not speaking for the LEGAL citizens of the United States and should find another job.
Posted by: Steve | May 18, 2010 3:59:12 AM
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Posner was speaking about ensuring the rights of LEGAL American citizens.
This administration pointed out to the Chinese how crucial human rights are to the United States way of life. That when a law was proposed that had the potential to have LEGAL citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!
The administration was pointing out that dealing with civil rights issue is crucial to the American way of life – as an example to the Chinese.

What a joke! Try to just in live China. And just try hide as a White person in China. You will not get away with it for very long .
If want to live in China:
- you MUST have a job
- that job MUST be one that a Chinese person cannot do.
- you MUST get a special working Visa
- to get a working Visa you MUST must get a complete physical to prove you will not bring any diseases into China
- you MUST get a work permit, you MUST have a company file documents for you to prove you have a job waiting for you
- you MUST get a living permit for the city you live in
- you MUST renew that living permit every year
- you MUST register with the local police when you find a place to live in person
- you MUST register with the local police in person every year after your living permit is renewed
- you MUST register with a different police division in person if you move within the same city
- you MUST carry your living permit with you at all times
- you MUST give your living permit to any official that requests it
- you MUST present your Visa and living permit when renting an apartment
- you MUST present your Visa when interacting with a bank, this includes withdrawing money
- you MUST present you passport when to trail or flight personal if you travel by train or plane
- if you want to register at a hotel you MUST present you passport
- before and during big national events like the Olympics and China’s national day the police stop you and ask for documents and you MUST present them
- about once a year, a group Chinese police will show up is apartment buildings housing many foreigners asking for your document and you MUST present them and if any thing seems out of line, your documents will be taken you MUST go to the police stations within 24 and resolved the problem
- when the police show up at you apartment they will bring a camera and you MUST permit them to take multiple pictures even if you just got out of the shower
- during this little raids, the police will not be able to speak a word of English, and almost all issues you try to explain in your broken Chinese will seem suspicious
- during any stop or raid the police will get on their cell phone and to confirm that you are registered in their local computer system
But having said all that, and having lived through, you know what, it not really a problem, just following the laws and there will be no problem.
This is even the case that ALL Chinese are openly racist by any standard, much less America’s hypersensitive standards.
When in doubt, follow the law. If you don’t like the law, then don’t go there. It is that simple.
Even is a place like China, where they REALLY need the foreign skills and abilities and knowledge to help then get the 3rd world nation off the ground, they still make it very hard for foreigners to work and live there. But the understand that no matter how important the foreigner’s expertise is to them to get there nation moving forward and keep it moving forward, the Chinese now the sovereignty is more important.
Virtually all jobs require a college degree.
And how much money do foreigners living and working and cost the Chinese government in terms welfare, educating the foreigner’s children, medical cost, etc. I would bet not one RMB.
America should adopt China’s policy on immigration and more specifically China’s deportation policy.
The Mexican have no idea what it means to be an immigrant. An certainly Mexicans would not be able to make it China.

North Korea would collapse if China would withdraw it’s support.
Enough said.

You only have human rights violations when a government does bad things to citizens. So yes we have violations going on in the good old USA. That happens when the citizens are expected to support illegals for years and then just have them crammed down our throats when they grant them the keys to our country. Illegal is illegal. Law breakers should be punished, now and every time the commit a crime. No matter who. Even those in Washington who disrespect every citizen in the Good Old USA. Prosecute all who disrespect every American in the USA.

These are dark days as the administration drives the car down the road
Posted by: jack | May 18, 2010 5:11:57 AM
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No, they’ve just barely got the car out of the ditch the last Republican administration buried the car in . . ..
And they’re working on the major repairs required . . . including the shoddy policy to oil rigs . ..

Sad for us the TRUE “troubling trend in our society” is the apologetic nonsense that passes for policy by this administration.THIS is what happens when you give the keys to a “know it all ,arrogant 13 year old who had never even rode a bike let along a car and give him permission to take the country for a spin!!!!

That’s BO for you, saying the federal law is troublesome, because the State law is the same. Well, he never did like laws or even follows them.

BS..the LAWS of The United States of America is VERY CLEAR! Arizona is RIGHT in enforcing them.obama being from Kenya, of course does not know our laws.HE HIMSELF is ILLEGALLY in the United States of America. It is also, illegal for obama to USE OUR LAWS, AND his position in OUR WhiteHouse,to allow his AUNT to stay in our country.She should be deported immediately…with HIM.

“Nobody was apologizing for anything. Stop your right wing delusions.”
Tiera must be a paid lib shill.
Posner has a track record with his HRF organization, which is an ultra left, scofflaw, open borders, blame America group, typical of what I would expect from a Berkeley grad. Do a little research before you babble your usual infantile rubbish.

Arizona is EXACTLY RIGHT by enforcing OUR COUNTRIES LAWS!
Also, the democratic party should be SUED for not presenting obama’s proof of citizenship at the time he became a candidate!!!! Throw them ALL in Jail.

The government has to do their job,and enforce our laws. By NOT doing their job, is grounds for impeachment!!! The government works for WE THE PEOPLE, not the other way around!! Fire them all, for failure to do the job they were hired to do…just like ANY OTHER Employer does!!!!!!

This is one of those lines you can draw between the plain old run of the mill liberal and the liberal wacko. The wacko side is where everything is morally equivalent to everything else. Of course, Arizona and the United States are no better than China when it comes to human rights. We should apologize more. They might immediately execute you for illegal drug traffic-ing in China but in Arizona, they might offend you by asking for identification before even taking your weed.

What an embarrassment having these morons represent our Country to the rest of the world!

Over the years I have heard one excuse after another for not closing the border and deporting….
Not one politicians has to live under those circumstances the citizens of Az. and other border States, are living under!
If one doubts all the crime go to voiac.org and see all the citizens that have been victimized!
I am ashamed of any politicia or citizen, that absolutely has no compassion for their fellow citizen, but fall all over themselves for illegals!
Support Az and purchase something from their online stores!

Referendum requires filing 76,682 voter signatures by 90 days. But Still at most of online polls people support the Law.

Dear Red Chinese: Just want to remind you, once again, that BHO is not one of us. We don’t really know where he came from, and he is only here for a little while, thanks to ingnorant dupes, led by compliant media butt boys. BHO does not speak for us, he does not apologize for us, he does not bow for us, and we are not “his people.” I just want to be sure you understand that, because the American people are thinking in an entirely different direction from this “alien”, and we will outlast him. The American people are the ones you need to pay attention to, and have a respect for what we will do to preserve our nation and constitution. Don’t allow BHO to lead you into a false sense that we are weak.

November 2, 2010: Just around the corner.

Posted by: Noz | May 17, 2010 10:28:45 PM
Nobody apologized to China for anything.
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Posted by: tierra | May 17, 2010 10:32:14 PM
Ok, that’s what I said, thanks for confirming it I guess.
Anyway, where’s President Obama’s apology to Arizona and it’s citizens?
I asked for that yesterday, pronto.
It’s been over 24 hours now and no apology.
President NoBo you are running out of time.
Dial up an apology and do it fast!

Dear China,
Will you please cut up our credit card? The American people would be grateful if the money tree dried up on our government’s party train. We’re working on taking away the keys from Congress and BO. We can work together on this as worthy adversaries. If you want to call in your debt, you can take California. Nobody will fight you for it. But if you get greedy, we’ll crush you.
Sincerely, The American Taxpayer

Hispanic is a person of spanish descent and Mexican is a citizen of Mexico. Where is the race? This is PC folks nothing else.

We need to boot everyone out of office and start fresh. Our forefathers have to be rolling over in their graves. What has happended to our country..stupid politicans, lobbyist and all mighty greed.
Someone better start thinking about our country’s future and the future for our children!
New laws that make it legal to prosecute our military for using force..dah..what do you think the military is trained to do and now our government wants to tie their hands! My son wants to go into the military (we are a military family) and it scares me to death especially with our current liberal and socialists in office.

It would be laughable if it weren’t so sad that all the folks decrying “Liberal” and how we owe China nothing are the same people who were oh so happy to let China cough up the funds for the Bush/Cheney wars as long as it didn’t cost them a dime (unless you include the $2 cost of the “support our troops” bumper sticker they paid for with their hard earned cash).

Interesting tidbit from Alex Pareene at Salon:
“Former Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel and current federal judge Jay Bybee is known for one thing and one thing only: signing the memo John Yoo wrote telling George Bush he could torture everyone. Turns out that while at the OLC, Bybee signed another memo that ended up justifying Arizona’s draconian immigration law.
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In 2002, Bybee’s OLC reversed a Clinton administration opinion saying state police couldn’t arrest undocumented immigrants “on the basis of civil deportability….” Bybee said state police had “inherent power” to enforce federal immigration law.
The Obama administration hasn’t gotten around to withdrawing the memo, and the author of the Arizona law actually used the memo—which was released publicly in 2005—to justify his miserable bill. The opinion may make it difficult for Eric Holder to challenge the Arizona law, though I’m not sure why his OLC doesn’t just release another memo reestablishing the Clinton-era position.”

Posted by: progressive mama | May 18, 2010 12:13:28 PM
Another OFA-paid internet community organizer spinning furiously for the “Blame America First” crowd that staffs this crooked Marxist Obama regime.

“The opinion may make it difficult for Eric Holder to challenge the Arizona law, though I’m not sure why his OLC doesn’t just release another memo reestablishing the Clinton-era position.” – ProMa
Maybe because deep deep way deep down in their hearts they know that the Arizona law is just, and the right thing to do to protect Americans and America.

The sad part about all this is that the Obama administration honestly beleives that Arizona’s action can only be construed as being racist in origin. They really don’t understand that as a “front line” state, Arizona could no longer tolerate Federal inability / unwillingness to enforce FEDERAL immigration law, leaving its citizens increasingly at risk, and took action accordingly. The philosophical divide this represents appears to be unbridgable and bodes ill for the future. Alraedy the administration and congressional Democrats are seeking to demonize Arizona’s new law as a means of jumpstarting the moribund immigration reform (read “amnesty”) bill. November can’t come soon enough.

The sad part about all this is that the Obama administration honestly beleives that Arizona’s action can only be construed as being racist in origin.
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That’s not what the administration said.
When a law was proposed that had the potential to have citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR OBEYING OUR LAWS….
Posted by: Parallex View | May 18, 2010 1:32:47 PM
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Nobody ‘apologized’ for anything – that’s the right wing trying to spin the situation by lying.
Posner and the administration demonstrated to the Chinese how crucial human rights are to the United States way of life – that when a law was proposed that had the potential to have citizens harassed based on race or color – it became an issue.
And because it became an issue, the law was rewritten.
This is a STRENGTH of America, not a weakness!
The administration was pointing out that dealing with civil rights issue is crucial to the American way of life – as an example to the Chinese.
That you chose to see this as ‘apologizing’ for America is absolutely wrong.

To bad the administration doesn’t realize that it’s a law and order issue not a civil rights issue. The Chinese must think we’ve lost our minds.
Posted by: Noz | May 18, 2010 2:19:39 PM
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Of course the administration realizes this is a law and order issue. It also had a civil rights dimension – which was apparent when Arizona changed the wording in the law after the criticism.
In America, the two issues are not mutually exclusive – thank goodness.
China may well think America’s concerns with civil rights are crazy. America does not think civil rights protections are crazy.

So tierra, since this wording got changed then it’s no longer a civil rights issue and the Obama administration has no problem with the law, right?
If so then why bring it up to the Chinese?
If so then why doesn’t Holder just say that the law is just and it’s constitutionally correct?
If so then why doesn’t Obama voice his support for it now?

Another OFA-paid internet community organizer spinning furiously for the “Blame America First” crowd that staffs this crooked Marxist Obama regime.
Posted by: Libs and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | May 18, 2010 12:38:08 PM
I’m not paid and I haven’t said one word in support of the conversation in China. But, hey, awesome intelligent retort /sarc.
Who’s the shill again?
lol.
What’s true is that I have issues with the Arizona law on multiple fronts, and I do find it interesting that while at the OLC, it was Jay Bybee–who is well known for signing the memo John Yoo wrote telling George Bush he could torture everyone– who signed the memo that ended up justifying Arizona’s draconian immigration law.

More of the “Obama Apology Tour”.

hERE HE GOES AGAIN THE DUMMY pRESIDENT SAYING WE ARE WRONG ,mY gOD WHEN WILL THIS DUMMY GROW UP.

Even as far away as Tennessee we are watching this issue with interest
Posted by: K.A. Carlton
the very same Tenn who voted to allow guns in bars and churches….. that Tenn?

This does not affect china only mexico

I think what you should realize is that you are by no means important the American economy. We don’t need you or others alike you. Your race mainly comes here illegally. Doesn’t pay taxes. Doesn’t pay for medical insurance. And not to mention the biggest of all you steal jobs from legal Americans.
It’s like you get a free ride in life, and Americans are tired of supporting your race.
And Arizona’s law is by no means racist, it’s actually quite clear if you take the time to learn about it and listen to the governors speech.
Cops will be trained to ensure that racial profiling does not occur, and they can only ask you for documentation when you’ve broken the law and if you don’t have it you go to jail. Sounds fair to me, I hope all states adopt the policy unless the federal goverment starts taking action on the border crisis

Clearly the NeoLiberal Left, Open border criminal advocates don’t want the law or the truth to stand in their way!
Obviously by crying their old racism claims and throwing their little tantrum, they are hoping no one reads the actual laws!
Have the DNC extremists that formed the KKK, Black Panthers and La Raza become this illiterate?
Muehler v. Mena, 544 U.S. 93 (2005), was a unanimous decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution allows detention of a search subject in handcuffs while a search is being conducted, and that it does not require officers to have an independent reasonable suspicion before questioning a subject about their immigration status.
United States Code: Title 8 section 1306(a):
“Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”
United States Code: Title 8 section 1304 (e):
“Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.”

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