Obama administration says Emirates Airlines Dropped the Ball; 9/11 Commission Vice-Chair Says U.S. Govt Is Dropping the Ball
Senior administration officials say that Faisal Shahzad was put on the no fly list on Monday at 12:30 pm ET.
So how was he able to board the Emirates Airlines flight to Dubai?
“It takes a few hours for the airlines system to catch up,” a senior administration official tells ABC news.
Another senior administration official adds that Emirates refreshes their system to update with US intelligence information periodically – but not frequently.
In any case, the first official says that airlines were “within minutes” of Shahzad being put on the no-fly list told to “look at a web-board” and manually check its passenger manifest against the news on the web board.
“That appears to not have happened” the official says. “For whatever reason there was a breakdown at the Emirates level.”
Emirates Airlines provided its locked-in passenger manifest to the Customs and Border Protection agency. The plane at that point can leave. But a CBP official caught Shahzad’s name on the manifest and the plane never left the gate.
“That redundancy is built in,” the official says. “It’s not luck it’s design. It was good work by CBP.”
Former 9/11 Commission vice chair and Democratic congressman Lee Hamilton seems less impressed.
Hamilton reminds ABC News that “the 9/11 commission recommended that you had to have biometric evidence, documentarian evidence of people coming in and exiting” the country. “We’ve done a pretty good job on the first part of it people entering the country. But with regard to those exiting the country we simply have not been able to set up a system to deal with that and it showed in this case.”
Hamilton says “we need to have in this country a system of checking people leaving the country so that we can protect against the very sort of thing that happened here — or at least almost happened here.”
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So the Obama Admin has had their eyes on this Pakistani man for 2-3-4 days(?) and he walked right onto a flight headed for Dubais.
They were probably racially profiling him!
Does Pakistani mean muslim?
ROFLMFAO
Posted by: smartlillena | May 4, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
And that idiot Janet Napolitano will say the system worked.
Posted by: earl | May 4, 2010, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Ever notice with Obama and his administration it is always someone else’s fault? (BP, airlines, obstructionist Republicans, greedy Wall Street, greedy doctors, greedy insurance companies, etc., etc.).
Ever notice Obama and his administration always seem to be caught flat-footed?
Ever notice that Obama and his administration have a hard time identifying and implementing effective solutions to REAL problems we face (e.g., jobs, terrorism, Gulf oil slick, etc.)?
Posted by: tjp612 | May 4, 2010, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
So why isn’t Lee Hamilton, out of a good sense of patriotism, coming up with a way to implement and pay for these pie-in-the-sky security systems?
Posted by: Matt | May 4, 2010, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Ever notice Obama and his administration always seem to be caught flat-footed?
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I wonder what his average is on those 18 holes of golf he plays everyday?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 4, 2010, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
So why isn’t Lee Hamilton, out of a good sense of patriotism, coming up with a way to implement and pay for these pie-in-the-sky security systems?
Posted by: Matt
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Obama’s good at begging China for money and promising that my (and yours) great-great-great-great grandchildren will repay it.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 4, 2010, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Our borders are open while the U.S military protects the borders of Germany and S Korea?
We send Billions in Foreign aid to countries that ridicule U.S. Policy?
Our elected public servants appoint political hacks that have no idea what to do in a crisis?
Look in the dictionary under POLITICAL HACK…. Thats a Picture of Janet Napolitano.
Won’t get fooled again in 2010
Posted by: Tad_in_arizona | May 4, 2010, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Awe c’mon, we can’t even ask if the PAKISTANI bomber is muslim?
What do YOU think, board moderator?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 4, 2010, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
“Obama administration says Emirates Airlines Dropped the Ball”
You really have to sympathize with the regime. They are forced to operate in a world with so many screw ups. Thankfully their execution is perfect…
Posted by: Quo Warranto | May 4, 2010, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Besides being flat footed, the obama administration is always first out of the shoot to blame someone.
Posted by: jonny | May 4, 2010, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Absolutely STUNNING.
These whitehouse guys are BRILLIANT.
A master stroke of foreign policy.
Whine and moan that about an organization that kept your administration from looking like the fargin keystone cops AGAIN.
Posted by: William O. B'Livion | May 4, 2010, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
For one… The plane DID leave the gate. Second: if an official noticed the name and stopped the plane, then there was no real breakdown. Nonetheless, the government already knew who he was.
Posted by: jason | May 4, 2010, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Obama … take blame? The Messiah?
NO WAY … He’s perfect … just ask him!
Posted by: mattigal | May 4, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
When I got up this morning the airline was being called a hero for alerting us to the terrorist being onboard one of their planes.. now they are the enemy.. can Obama nationalize foreign airlines?
Don’t we owe the Emirates billions of dollars.. will China loan us enought to insult a big lender?
Posted by: Richard | May 4, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
And “these people” are protecting our country …. We are soooooo screwed!
Posted by: Iben Watchen You | May 4, 2010, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Is ANYTHING Hussein’s fault? Can this “man” ever take responsibility for anything? I have never seen a more screwed-up incompetent fool that that clown Obama and the keystone kops in his administration.
Hussein totally messed up the oil spill response with his inaction. Then he tried to blame BP because his administration had ZERO fire booms in the Gulf. Hussein has a stash of golf clubs at the ready, so take heart America!
Napolitano tried to tell us Sunday that the Times Square bomb was a “one-off”, the result of a “domestic terrorist”. great call, Big Sis! This pig Shahzad could have been caught much earlier, except Obama was busy looking for a Palin-loving, Limbaugh-listening Tea Partier to blame it on.
It will be a complete unredeemable disaster when this gang of fools assumes total control over the health care system. Obamacare MUST be repealed!!!!!
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 4, 2010, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Dear Mitt Romney,
We’re waiting.
Sincerely,
2012
Posted by: The U.S.A. | May 4, 2010, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
I don’t believe this..
From beginning to end, time of incident to the time the suspect apprehended. Very quick. No one hurt, dozens of arrests now made in Pakistan as a result. A slew of would be trouble makers have been apprehended and even if the ball got dropped a bit, it got picked up rather quickly. And that is the deal, to have enough checks in place to cover for any ball droppings. We’re all still working on this.. it’s a pretty new territory. I bet there were a LOT of valuable lessons driven home as a result.
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And yet some people are still complaining.
Posted by: 333maxwell | May 4, 2010, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Great comments, Whole Truth. Superb writing.
Posted by: SelmaAla | May 4, 2010, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
It gets better, the machine has not run its course yet. I’m serious the lies don’t stop. November is just a speed bump.
Posted by: PeteHDO | May 4, 2010, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
It’s Bush’s fault. That’s always Barry’s excuse.
Posted by: Jay | May 4, 2010, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
In little more then 50 hours we caught the guy.
How long did it take Bush to catch Osama…errr I’m sorry, he never did.
Another question how long did it take Bush to get Osama’s family out of the USA after 9/11? Just a few hours.
I guess each President has his own priorities.
Posted by: Jackzig | May 4, 2010, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
OK, so let me get this straight. This morning I read about the heroic airline that stop the muslim terrorist from taking off.
This evening, that same airline “dropped the ball”, and now is the bad bad, incompetent company.
Will the Obama Administration EVER claim responsibility for anything?
Posted by: Kevin | May 4, 2010, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Is there anyone Obama won’t blame for something?
Posted by: Fred | May 4, 2010, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Yeah Obama is a socialist with his apollo friends and union socialists. Its not Obama who caught this guy it’s the brave NYPD , FBI and others who mostly can’t stand your beloved horrible leader. who.. in less than one year has made a mess with his huge govt, a horrible healthcare plan 70% of us didnt want! His deep hands in socialist apollo group and his socialists czars you need to wake up fool
Posted by: ballstowall | May 4, 2010, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
333Maxwell – “I don’t believe this.. From beginning to end, time of incident to the time the suspect apprehended. Very quick. No one hurt, dozens of arrests now made in Pakistan as a result. And yet some people are still complaining.”
And we should be happy that only the incompetence of the terrorist prevented many people from being killed?
I’m sure that all of the (potentially) dead Americans would have been thrilled that the ball only got dropped a little bit after they were killed.
Posted by: twyger | May 4, 2010, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
I’ve said it from the beginning – this is what happens when you take an intern and make him the CEO after only 18 months of employment. In. Over. His. Head.
Posted by: DUGinFLA | May 4, 2010, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Generally, Emirates couldn’t find its collective fundament with two mirrors and a hunting dog. The fact that they did cooperate and hold the pane raises their stock a few points, with me. Nonetheless, I wouldn’t ride with them from Boston to Hartford on a summer day. And I have flown them half a dozen times in the Sandbox.
Posted by: Gideon V. Wainwright | May 4, 2010, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
In another article they are report6ing that this clown was caught because they were listening to his cellphone call. basically….so he was caught because of the Patriot Act!
Posted by: james | May 4, 2010, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
The article is inaccurate. The plane DID leave the gate & was @ 30 seconds away from flying away. See attached audio from tower to plane instructing plane to return to gate.####
Please revise/edit the article to state the facts correctly or delete the article.
Posted by: abc article inaccurate | May 4, 2010, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
jazzjig first learn your history Clinton knew where bin laden was at but failed to act on the information to capture him before he went into hiding. Secondly why did it take the airline to stop his escape and not stopped by TSA after he had purchased a one way ticket with cash to Dubai. You would think after the panty bomber they would of learned but I guess not. This amateur administration has failed again and will not accept responsibility just like the slow response to the oil spill these fools have proven time over time they are over their heads and are going to get innocent americans hurt.
Posted by: Tammy | May 4, 2010, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
didnt Obama go to Pakistan in the 80′s wonder if he trained there also.
Posted by: keith | May 4, 2010, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Is there ANYTHING this administration DOESN’T immediately blame on someone, anyone, else? Unbelievable.
Posted by: DaleW | May 4, 2010, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
CRIME INC OBAMA
Posted by: ballstowall | May 4, 2010, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
If Bill Clinton hadn’t been focused on playing cigar games with Monica he could have allowed the CIA to shoot down Bin Laden over the ocean as he was leaving Somalia. He received 3 phone calls in a span of 3 hrs from the CIA, but his concerns were about the legal ramifications of shooting down the worlds most wanted man. If he would have OK’d the CIA request 911 would not have happened! Go ahead libs blame Bush. I wish obama would quit protecting his Islamic buddies.
Posted by: Mike | May 4, 2010, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
It’s not my fault! It was Bush!
Posted by: LathonBaud | May 4, 2010, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
333maxwell: Oh good. Let’s cut some more spending by our intelligence agencies then. We were very lucky last night.
Posted by: LathonBaud | May 4, 2010, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
How can anyone blame Obama for these problems because who really knew that being President would require him to do more than just smoke cigarettes and drink scotch in the White House Rose Garden, fill out NCAA brackets, throw out (poorly I might add) the first pitch at baseball games, and travel around the world denigrating America. I mean this terrorism thing is just something he inherited so you can’t blame Obama for this.
Posted by: JMcCarthy | May 4, 2010, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Even though the Airline did not have an updated no fly list it looks like that there would have been an agent or two at the Airport looking at faces.
But then again they could have been looking for guys and gals who didn’t like the new healthcare plan and had some tea party surrounded by agents.
Posted by: david | May 4, 2010, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Who is Naive here. The airline which let him on was:
Emirates Airline. Emirates is a major airline in the Middle East, and a subsidiary of The Emirates Group. It is the national airline of Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
An Arab Airline who just ‘mistakenly’ let an Arab on the plane… who had been on the do-not-allow-to-fly list for hours. Who does Homeland Security think they are kidding?
Posted by: Connolly07 | May 4, 2010, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Bahahaha….Aint my fault!
Posted by: Mohamads Goat | May 4, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
If we would profile for muslim terrorists then maybe we could catch more muslim terrorists before they set off another car bomb…
Posted by: Scott T | May 4, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Mike Said: “If Bill Clinton hadn’t been focused on playing cigar games with Monica he could have allowed the CIA to shoot down Bin Laden over the ocean as he was leaving Somalia.”
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…. LOL…. yeah, yeah… and maybe if G.W. Bush had put 168,000 troops in Afghanistan instead of Iraq, and the $800 Billion effort that funded Iraq into Aghanistan also, maybe we would have captured Bin Laden before he fled to Pakistan.
Oh well…
Posted by: GeorgieBushie | May 4, 2010, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
If Bill Clinton hadn’t been focused on playing cigar games with Monica he could have allowed the CIA to shoot down Bin Laden over the ocean as he was leaving Somalia.
Mike | May 4, 2010 8:19:42 PM
Meanwhile, in DOCUMENTED REALITY, when Clinton finally did try to kill Bin Laden, firing 75 cruise missiles into Afghanistan, Republicans in Congress were outraged and screaming about his “Monica Missiles!” Anyone remember that? Republicans CHOSE to protect Bin Laden by using Clinton’s attack against it as partisan advantage. And Republicans were effective – after the Monica Missile partisan barrage, Clinton never again had the political capital to attack Bin Laden.
I welcome anyone to fact check me. Republicans chose partisan gains over defending the nation in 1998.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Barry once again playing the blame game. Barry is never responsible for anything. Barry said he was going to put experts on this bombing case and get to the bottom of this. Then he picked up the phone and called Billy Ayers another expert in bomb making!
Posted by: Morris Berry | May 4, 2010, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
So why didn’t the FBI notify TSA to stop him from boarding. TSA and FBNI work for Homeland Security. Is this an example of cooperation. Airline shouldn’t be responsible for preventing someone who is wanted from boarding. Obama admin is good throwing people under the bis. Take responsibility- yes I know it is something new for the Dems to do.
Posted by: jschmidt | May 4, 2010, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
So why didn’t the FBI notify TSA to stop him from boarding. TSA and FBNI work for Homeland Security.
jschmidt | May 4, 2010 8:45:58 PM
Uh, they did. The airline didn’t update their watch list in time, and the standard review of the manifest caught it in plenty of time. (A couple hours later and they’d still have caught him – but the plane would have had to be recalled.)
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
Only Drudge would think of putting this article on his front page in order to knock President Obama and his team during election year.
As for us New Yorkers we give thanks to the great creator that we all dodged this bullet. Someone up there is looking out for all of us.
Posted by: Cooday | May 4, 2010, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
What ever happened to admirable trait of a President saying, “I take FULL responsibility for this happening and will get to the bottom of it and fix it.”
Obama has a problem in wanting to take credit, only when it makes him look good! How many people out there wish they hadn’t voted for this empty suit?
Posted by: Golden Finger | May 4, 2010, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Barry said he was going to put experts on this bombing case and get to the bottom of this.
Morris Berry | May 4, 2010 8:39:37 PM
And he did – did you miss the part where the bomber was found and arrested in less than 48 hours from the attempt? How long did it take us to identify and catch Bin Laden again?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
It’s a pretty new territory.
Posted by: 333maxwell | May 4, 2010 7:52:28 PM
It is? Where have you been? I’m sure it’s all new for the Hopey Changey crew but really. It’s been around a while, dude.
Posted by: For The Record | May 4, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
jhw539, what did Clinton hit with those 75 rockets. Schools, hospitals and civilians. I have no idea how any can stick for ANY president anymore.
Posted by: kenema | May 4, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Apparently this guy was granted US Citizenship under Mr. Obama’s watch…
Another error for Ms. Clinton’s State Department…
Why haven’t we seen an interview with this guy’s American wife? The media was more interested in the details of Tiger Wood’s problems…
Posted by: Quo Warranto | May 4, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
What ever happened to admirable trait of a President saying, “I take FULL responsibility for this happening and will get to the bottom of it and fix it.”
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You mean Obama should take FULL responsibility for the Custom and Border Protection agency catching the man with their double checking system?
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Keep your eye off the birdie, while they redirect the blame!!!! All going as planned until the Civil Americans thwarted the plans of the “GLOBAL Arbitrators”!! How many were in that secret meeting? Plant the “Bomb”, get out of the Country!!!
Posted by: DEF | May 4, 2010, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
@jhw539 Bin Laden hasn’t been caught because he’s hiding in the HinduKush mountains on the Pakistani side and they won’t allow our troops in to get him. This clown in NY was caught because we were listening for his cell phone call…you know, The Patriot Act! Think that was GW’s idea but I’ll give Obama credit for it.
Posted by: james | May 4, 2010, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Hey jhw, Lets do some math,
75 cruise missles x$1 mil. = $75 mil.
75 Arab tents X $15=$1125 none dead and no Bin Laden
Makes sense to me.
Proverbs say “Even a fool is esteemed wise when he’s quiet.” I say, or they open their mouths and remove any doubt
Posted by: Mike | May 4, 2010, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Screw politics. Emirates Airlines should not be allowed to fly to or from the Unites States ever again!
Posted by: Andy | May 4, 2010, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Doesn’t sound like the airline’s fault here. The fact that they have to update the list is a problem with the system. The federal government should simply have a database that the airlines query for each passenger. The current system shows that the feds are being cheap and it almost led to a terrorist escaping.
Posted by: Brad | May 4, 2010, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
jhw539, what did Clinton hit with those 75 rockets. Schools, hospitals and civilians. I have no idea how any can stick for ANY president anymore.
kenema | May 4, 2010 8:55:27 PM
Anyone reading PLEASE look up some actual history. Clinton hit TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS in Afghanistan, ncluding Zhawar Kili al-Badr just hours after Bin Laden left. But that’s just documented history.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
You mean Obama should take FULL responsibility for the Custom and Border Protection agency catching the man with their double checking system?
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YES!
I want our idiot President to show some humility, instead of ALWAYS finger-pointing. FYI, he’s not omnipotent!
Posted by: Golden Finger | May 4, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Will the US government thank Emirates for helping them catch a terrorist ?
Posted by: SAS | May 4, 2010, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
With today’s technology, there is no reason Emirites should have to pull the list frequently. Each airline should have it pushed to them with each update. If my iPhone can do it for something trivial like sports scores, the government and airlines can do it for something important like the no fly list.
Posted by: Mike Johnson | May 4, 2010, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Has anyone noticed that the wheels are beginning to come off this administration, if they aren’t totally off already? It’s like watching the Keystone Cops.
Posted by: Golden Finger | May 4, 2010, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Thanks Pakistan for catching some of the bad guys over there who were helping Faisal Shahzad.
President Obama, his team, our own FBI, Police, Homeland Security people, as well as others who keep us safe and two New York City vendors did us all proud.
If George W. Bush, the Neo Cons and their supporters didn’t drop the ball by dragging us into Iraq for no good reason and on a lie we would have had more resources to take care of Afghanistan and those plotting against us.
Posted by: Tim | May 4, 2010, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
“From the tone of your comment it looks like your issues with our President are about more than just policy. We can all use a little more humility, my friend.”
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Now, there you go intimating the “R” word and you couldn’t be farther from the truth. I REALLY feel that when humility is shown, people respond and react in a more positive fashion. We ALL make mistakes, however, the people who admit them, even if they didn’t cause them, gain more respect.
Posted by: Golden Finger | May 4, 2010, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
The TSA was totally incompetent in this. They and the Obama Administration should take the whole blame for letting him through airport security.
Example: In San Jose, CA, most of the TSA employees don’t even speak proper English. They speak Phillipino and, at best, broken English. They all should be fired and replaced with competent, intelligent people — people who can punch names into a “no fly” manifest list.
Posted by: BayAreaBill | May 4, 2010, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
“If Bill Clinton hadn’t been focused on playing cigar games with Monica he could have allowed the CIA to shoot down Bin Laden ”
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If Ronald Reagan had not funded Bin Laden and Taliban in a totally misguided attempt to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan all this would be moot and the Russians would probably still be mired in that country. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20, right?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | May 4, 2010, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
I almost never defend Obama and Incompitano, BUT there was one report that the plan was to let him go through security to see that he was un-armed and what he was carrying, and see if he met up with anyone on the plane. Was anyone else taken off the plane? On news radio I heard two other passengers were…
The Emirates are some of the most pro-Western of the Moslem, Arab, mid-East countries, but it’s relative.
Posted by: The Only Moderate | May 4, 2010, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
the Obama Administration should take the whole blame for letting him through airport security.
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He didn’t get through airport security. As the articles says . .
The man was caught by the Customs and Border Protection agency. A CBP official caught Shahzad’s name on the manifest and the plane never left the gate.
“That redundancy is built in,” the official says. “It’s not luck it’s design. It was good work by CBP.”
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
THEY dropped the ball… by letting him LEAVE their country. The UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SYSTEM dropped the ball by letting him IN ours! Our Nation stands practically DEFENSELESS against our enemies. All the while our federal government keeps letting them in. Not ONLY do we need tougher laws for immigration… we need them for ALL VISITORS too! OUR GOVERNMENT DROPPED THE BALL. They’re to blame.
Posted by: Jeff | May 4, 2010, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Of course Obama blames someone else. He takes responsibility for absolutely nothing and he will continue to back Janet From Another Planet.
Posted by: lensmanct | May 4, 2010, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
“That redundancy is built in,” the official says. “It’s not luck it’s design. It was good work by CBP.”
Posted by: Thank God For Bush | May 4, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
We ALL make mistakes, however, the people who admit them, even if they didn’t cause them, gain more respect.
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I agree with you 100% But I think its part and parcel of occupying the White House. Can you name the last President who admitted a mistake of any magnitude?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | May 4, 2010, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
When will the Obama Regime take responsibility for ANYTHING??
They are like a bunch of little spoiled children. What’s the point of having leaders if all they can do is blame others?
Posted by: suzy | May 4, 2010, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Of course Obama blames someone else. He takes responsibility for absolutely nothing and he will continue to back Janet From Another Planet.
Posted by: lensmanct | May 4, 2010 9:29:39 PM
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So Obama should take responsibility for the Customs and Protection agency stopping this man from leaving the country?
If he has to take responsibility for everything, then I guess he has to take responsibility for everything.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Once Barry Obama loses his majority in november
the real Obama will surface.
Being the narcicist that he is he will not be able to control his anger when he discovers that he is a lame duck.
This guy is a SOCIALIST and most do not give up power easily.maybe that explains the riot control classes that the military has been mandating their officers attend.
Posted by: Titainiumman | May 4, 2010, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Who are you people who dare call the President of these United States ignorant? Must not know too much about patriotism or intellignce, heh? Now who’s the dummy?
Posted by: Byron | May 4, 2010, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
All I know is this: The terrorists were successful under George W. Bush. You may prove me wrong if you can. Otherwise, a bit of humility, please!
Posted by: Byron | May 4, 2010, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
This is what you get with inexperienced leaders. This administration cannot do anything but point fingers at others. They failed to implement the oil spill procedures passed in 1994. No oil burns were made because the governmnet was caught like a deer in the headlights. Clueless. Obama is a lot like Nero.
Posted by: jonofrisco | May 4, 2010, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
I didn’t know Emirates Airlines ran homeland security.
Posted by: democrat nomore | May 4, 2010, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
All of you who want to lay this at Obama’s feet were not so quick to blame Bush for 9/11… but here you are slinging crap… Good job.
Posted by: DewyB | May 4, 2010, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Now he blames someone else once again for his shear incompetence.
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There was no ‘shear imcompetence’. The administration located and caught a terrorist within 48 hours.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
President Obama,leave the country to the jerks announce you’re out of here in 2012. Let them have it their way, I can say that because I am heading out myself.
Posted by: Parik | May 4, 2010, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Maybe they won’t make the same mistakes…
Quo Warranto | May 4, 2010 9:44:43 PM
Fear, Fear, FEAR!!!
When did America become such a nation of cowering wimps?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
At this point, I don’t know what to think, say or do other than I would forego a $100,000 bonus if the 2012 election was next month and I earn half that amount annually.
Posted by: Tina Ferrer | May 4, 2010, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Turkey trots to water XX Where is RPT Where is the current nominee to head TSA? XX The world wonders.
Posted by: Nephron | May 4, 2010, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Your tax dollars at work. Not my tax dollars…because I don’t pay taxes.
Posted by: russ in nc | May 4, 2010, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
There were two of two successful radical islamic terrorist attacks against America, inside America,in the past 4 months. The Christmas bomber was 100 percent successful on execution and luckily the bomb did not work. He
successfully flew on an airliner to America where he activated a bomb on
the airliner over an American city. That the bomb itself didn’t blow was
moot. He did everything in his plan, except the bomb didn’t work.
Then per today’s news, another (probably) Taliban trained yahoo buys a car for cash, fills it with silver slutes, gasoline, propane and (fortunately the wrong kind of) fertilizer, drives it into downtown Manhattan, sets off the initial bomb sequence and, again luckily, the bomb didn’t work. A second totally successful terrorist attack with an unsuccessful explosion.
Two of two successful attacks with two of two unsuccessful bombs. Those
are horrible statistics. Are you people fine with these stats or is it time to finally hold Holder, Nepolitano, Jones and company to task??
Posted by: clayusmcret | May 4, 2010, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Come get me when Obama’s gone.
Posted by: Doug W | May 4, 2010, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
An airline company’s job is to fly people around. Its not their responsibility to catch terrorists.
Posted by: Bob z | May 4, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
An airline company’s job is to fly people around. Its not their responsibility to catch terrorists.
Posted by: Bob z | May 4, 2010 10:05:37 PM
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They didn’t. It was the Customs and Border Protection agency of the United States of America who caught the terrorist.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Yes the airline was to blame, except for the Taliban training, the lack of a name on the no fly list, the fact that this person was in the country at all after visiting terror training camps..all of which the Obama regime missed…OOOPS…How many terror attempts does this make in now since Obama and his regime have been in power?
Posted by: Obamanation | May 4, 2010, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Remember…
They are criminals… not terrorist!
BHO
Posted by: Howard Ino | May 4, 2010, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Why wasn’t a be on the lookout flashed to the airports?
Posted by: Zaggs | May 4, 2010 10:15:20 PM
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Wake up Zaggs – the terrorist was caught by the Customs and Border Protection agency of the United States.
A ‘be on the lookout’ WAS flashed to the airports.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
The Obama administration is a threat to national security.
Posted by: David | May 4, 2010, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
This morning (Tues.), I heard on ALL the news channels the “reporters” stating ‘the suspect was arrested trying to board a plane to Dubai.’ EVERYONE was saying the same thing… arrested trying to board a plane. THIS IS WRONG. The suspect WAS on the plane and the plane was taxing toward the runway. THE LIES HAVE INCREASED AND THE PRCOCESS OF HIDING THE TRUTH HAS INTENSIFIED. Do you feel safer than you did a year, two years ago? Me neither. The enemy is determined to kill Americans… destroy the United States. Once we see that as the TRUTH and call our enemies out, we may have a chance to save our country. If not, we will never be safe. WE ARE IN A WAR AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, FIGHT IT AND DEFEND OUR COUNTRY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. How? Be honest and you know the answer.
Posted by: JGS | May 4, 2010, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
So according to republicans now Obama needs to take over airlines. Good to know. I’ll remember that after your next rant about how he wants to take over everything. BTW, you guys have nothing. They caught the dang guy.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
BTW, you guys have nothing. They caught the dang guy.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010 10:23:03 PM
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Just like Bush caught Bin Laden (“Dead or Alive”) and eliminated the Taliban and al Qaeda from Afghanistan.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
They are criminals… not terrorist!
Howard Ino | May 4, 2010 10:17:36 PM
The difference being criminals are caught (like the first World Trade Center bombing, or this idiot) and terrorists get away? Or were you going somewhere else with this?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
I guess I missed Robert Gibbs Press Release which announced the turn over of U.S. Border enforcement from DHS to the Government of the UAE.
Posted by: Jon Weiss | May 4, 2010, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
He was a naturalized American citizen… suggesting that he became over time immune to the charms of life in America, even Barack Obama’s America.
Bad news for Muslim integration efforts and our apoligetic foreign policy.
Or maybe Faisal Shahzad was driven crazy solely by the construction in East Jerusalem of apartment buildings for Jews ?
Bad news people. Time to fight back or submit. Islam means “submission”.
Posted by: pvilso24 | May 4, 2010, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Too many crazy republicans that no longer make any sense. Reagan must be weeping somewhere.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Sounds like we need computer technology that can update in real time? Hopefully all the airlines can update more quickly.
If anything we should be more alert as the our foes seem to be more desperate to score a hit against us.
It doesn’t make sense to play the blame game right now. We need to all be a team and this includes our allies.
President Obama and all the agencies protecting us are doing a great job. Keep up the great work we are all counting on you!
Posted by: Annie | May 4, 2010, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Sounds like we need computer technology that can update in real time? Hopefully all the airlines can update more quickly.
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Absolutely. Not sure what the problem is there at all.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
“They caught the dang guy.” It all depends on what the meaning of they is. The they in this case was not any anti-terrorism effort by the Obama administration. He was caught because of the alertness of a tee shirt vendor in Times Square. Just as with the Christmas bomber, Obama got lucky. Like the Clinton administration, this administration is totally reactive rather than proactive when it comes to dealing with acts of terrorism before rather than after the fact. This, unfortunately, can’t last forever.
Posted by: Jerry M | May 4, 2010, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Ft. Hood
Christmas underpants bomber
Now this
Things are not going too smoothly, someone is acting stupidly!
Posted by: dareisay | May 4, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
“They caught the dang guy.”
Posted by: Jerry M | May 4, 2010 10:40:31 PM
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No, they actually CAUGHT they guy. You know how Bush DIDN’T catch Bin Laden? Well, this guy they actually caught. He’s in custody. Stopped at the airport by the Customs and Protection agency.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
What, the annoited ones made a mistake..how can that be? Obvioulsy it is Bush’s fault, Haliburton, big business greed, Insurance Company failure, Wall Street Greed, ….always pass the buck!
Posted by: NeoConVet | May 4, 2010, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Where’s the President? Probably sticking his finger in another former allied leader’s face (Brown, Netanyahu) lecturing him about this or that or bowing to some despot (Saudi, China) and apologizing for the USA. At least this time, he’s not scolding us against jumping to conclusions ala Ft. Hood. Then again he can sit back, play his 40th round of golf, watch the playoffs and let Bloomberg cast blind, unfounded accusations against peaceful Tea Party members. Any apologies for your slanderous implication jerk? Is this trully the leader of the US city that suffered the most at the hands of Islamic Terrorists? Am I still allowed to use that word or is it now referred to as the “IT” word?
Posted by: brian | May 4, 2010, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
The airlines are not in charge of the security lines to get into the boarding area. The TSA is. Grandma gets strip searched but he waltzes through. Great. I feel safe.
Posted by: j4140 | May 4, 2010, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Grandma gets strip searched . . .
Posted by: j4140 | May 4, 2010 10:53:45 PM
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Does she get strip searched just before she’d sent to the death panels?
Gotta love the Republican right.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Not only did the plane leave the gate, it almost took off. The airplane had taxied to the point it was #1 for departure and about to take the runway. The controller was about to clear EK 202 to “position and hold” but in mid-sentence ordered the plane back to the gate.
Posted by: Mark | May 4, 2010, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
The controller was about to clear EK 202 to “position and hold” but in mid-sentence ordered the plane back to the gate.
Posted by: Mark | May 4, 2010 10:57:23 PM
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That’s because the Customs and Protection agency had been alerted and double checked the flight manifest. Excellent work.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Napolitano is incompetent.
The underwear bomber…this one. As the former governor of Arizona, she should know better than anyone how important it is to enforce the federal laws now on the books.
Why is she still in this position?
Posted by: Zorn | May 4, 2010, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
This administration just doesn’t get it. We are at War! As far as Bush not getting Bin Laden, neither did Clinton. Of course he was in a mountainous country. Not on US soil. Obama never accepts the fact that deserved or not the buck stops with him. Of course he has the help of the media in playing his “not my fault” game. I’m beginning to feel sorry for Bush. Guess fighting Terrorists is a lot more difficult than the liberals think.
Posted by: Shades of Gray | May 4, 2010, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
2012 !!!! If we last that long….
Posted by: freebird | May 4, 2010, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
“It takes a few hours for the airlines system to catch up,” a senior administration official tells ABC news.”
It also takes this regime a few hours to get their story straight. When Napolitano asked how he made it on the plane when he was on the no fly list, she said she would rather not discuss that at this point.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | May 4, 2010, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Guess fighting Terrorists is a lot more difficult than the liberals think.
Posted by: Shades of Gray | May 4, 2010 11:08:38 PM
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Nobody said it was easy. Well . .. except for Bush who boasted he’d get Bin Laden “Dead or Alive” and failed . ..
You’ll also remember he said ‘Bring it on’ and that wasn’t too smart either . .. not with our parents watching their children being put in death’s way.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
According to the WSJ the terrorist was an outspoken critic of Mr. Bush…
I wonder if he ever posted to this blog…
Posted by: Quo Warranto | May 4, 2010, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Don’t forget. We didn’t have a disaster because the bomber was incompetent. Our guys are really great at catching the bad guys AFTER the fact. That doesn’t prevent the bomb from exploding! This time we were just lucky. He goofed. Prevention is what will save lives. Probably a little profiling is necessary.
Posted by: Charles Baker | May 4, 2010, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
The terrorist are finding new boldness, they are not afraid of Obama. You can’t get enough security in place to stop this if the enemy is not afraid of you.
Obama tries to outsmart them instead of outgun them and they know how to play his game.
Reagen would have dared them to blink and took care of business if they did.
Posted by: Missing Reagen | May 4, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
Missing Reagan, Your rant there makes no sense.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
But Bush was smart enough to prevent an Islamic terrorist attack from 2003 until he left office.Can Obama claim the same?
Posted by: Nephron | May 4, 2010, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
secondlook,
What part didn’t you understand and I’ll explain. Peace through strength? Is that a hard concept for you?
Posted by: Missing Reagen | May 4, 2010, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Peace thru strength was fantastic during the cold war, etc. Right now though? WHOLE different game. See, Obama gets this. You guys? Not so much. Strength, or an army, does not track down terrorists and help cut recruiting. In fact I’m pretty sure that typical Bush rhetoric made em line up more. That means your babies were less safe down the road.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
its always someone else’s fault.
i hope our next president is a MAN not a crybaby.
Posted by: stargirl | May 4, 2010, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
great. leave it to obama to get a clear warning from a 9-11 commission member about how we could have done things better…and then decides to spend his time blaming an ally. someday this little routine of his is gonna end up with american lives lost, who’s he gonna blame then? 2012. maybe in the future they’ll invent a pill that allows us to forget the obama years.
Posted by: lawlz | May 4, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
But Bush was smart enough to prevent an Islamic terrorist attack from 2003 until he left office.Can Obama claim the same?
Posted by: Nephron | May 4, 2010 11:23:17 PM
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Smart enough? Islamic terrorists had just done major damage to the United States with the attack and total destruction of the Trade Centers – they didn’t need to attack again.
They focused on all of the other countries they hit.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
TSA should not rely on the airlines to stop the fugitive. The TSA should do the stopping. Or are they not allowed to carry guns? Homeland Security messed up.
Posted by: jschmidt | May 4, 2010, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
It’s the Emirates fault, it’s BP’s fault, it’s Goldman Sachs fault, it’s Israel’s fault, it’s the insurance company’s fault, it’s the Republicans fault, it’s the Tea Party’s fault, it’s Bushs fault….are you beginning to see a pattern here?
Posted by: Kelvin | May 4, 2010, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Second look,
I’ll make it very simple.
If they are not afraid, they will try anything. We don’t need a beta-male as our leader.
Posted by: Missing Reagen | May 4, 2010, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
TSA should not rely on the airlines to stop the fugitive. The TSA should do the stopping. Or are they not allowed to carry guns? Homeland Security messed up.
Posted by: jschmidt | May 4, 2010 11:30:42 PM
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The Customs and Protection agency is part of the Government of the United States – they were properly alerted and apprehended the man.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
God help us with this incompetent buffoon in the White House. Along with that weak kneed sissy, Michael Bloomburg..
Posted by: LatinoRepublican | May 4, 2010, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Obuma blames
everyone but himself.
he is the C an C, top Dog.
when something so called works (nothing has yet)he takes credit, but if there
is a problem, blame someone else.
TSA should of stop this guy before he got on the plane.
HS should of caught him before he planted the bomb.
no, it took a malfunction, an a street vendor.
2010/2012 change you will belive in.
Posted by: Dave | May 4, 2010, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
“But Bush was smart enough to prevent an Islamic terrorist attack from 2003 until he left office.Can Obama claim the same?”
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It’s as though many seem to not recall the big one happened on Bush’s watch.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
“Nobody said it was easy. Well . .. except for Bush .
blah blah blahditty blah . . . .” – tierra
Listen darling, didn’t you get the memo from yesterday?
Please update your talking points.
They are sooooo last year’s tennis shoe.
“Prevention is what will save lives. Probably a little profiling is necessary.” – Charles Baker
No Probably about it, Profiling is a necessity.
Time to get serious Uncle Sammy.
Posted by: Noz | May 4, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
The beta-male president wants to reason with people who want to blow America off the map. It’s not elitist brain power we need, it’s confidence in the greatness of our country and a willingness to draw the line, stand by our word and our allies, and take care of the business of keeping America safe.
Posted by: Missing Reagen | May 4, 2010, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Missing Reagen – I will make this very simple. If you miss somebody learn to spell their name correctly. Here’s the deal. The rhetoric has changed. Not much else. I happen to agree with it. I understand you guys have issues with thinking people. You don’t do it well. You prefer caveman types. Here is a secret. All that he man “bring it on” threat stuff? Didn’t make us safe.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
It’s as though many seem to not recall the big one happened on Bush’s watch.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010 11:33:54 PM
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Don’t blame Bush, he’d been on vacation at his Texas ranch for most of August.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
tierra, you or secondlook would make great replacements for Incompetano. Keep making excuses for your god obama. A dutch passenger on a plane and a failed bomb attempt are the only reason these terrorist attacks were prevented.
Oh, and BTW, Bush was in office 8 months when 9/11 happened. What was Clinton doing for 8 years before? Much of the Bush presidency was a disaster, but stop acting like your rooting for a sports team – the current administration is NOT the picture of competence. You guys come off like spokesmouths for the Democrats but you’re probably not bright enough to draw a paycheck from the DNC for it.
Posted by: devil doll | May 4, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
The beta male got the man. You guys want an attack. Just to show Obama up.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Oh, and BTW, Bush was in office 8 months when 9/11 happened.
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Yes, I know and he’d been on vacation at his ranch in Texas for most of August . . . so he really shouldn’t be blamed.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
devil dumb – Clinton was accused of being obsessed with OBL by republicans. They said he used it to take the heat off the whole Monica thing. You recall the Monica thing? That big gotcha they used to try to take him down when we had more important pressing business? And then there’s that Bush didn’t hold the first terrorism mtg. till a couple days before the dang attack. Guess they didn’t find it very important, huh?
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Oh, and BTW, Bush was in office 8 months when 9/11 happened.
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Yes, I know and he’d been on vacation at his ranch in Texas for most of August . . . so he really shouldn’t be blamed.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010 11:41:53 PM
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p.s. – I don’t ‘blame’ Bush for 9/11, anymore than you can blame Obama for this whacko or the other. I mean Obama had only been in power for a few months more than Bush when the ‘Christmas’ bomber tried his plane trick – so that must be Bush’s fault right?
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
riiiiiight second look, americans WANT an attack to show obama up?
i seriously thought that i had heard every insane defense of this idiot. now people are literally saying that there is a large group of americans who want a deadly terrorist to occur on american soil so that they can “show” obama up….
i dont’ even think there’s a response to this. if you have seriously convinced yourself of something that diluted and offensive, there may be no hope.
can you admit that maybe there are disagreements rational or irrational about how to protect the country. and one side can disagree on principle with another, yet both sides WANT a safe place to live? is that too far of a leap? really?
at this point i’m inclined to think what you said was a (ha-ha, funny) type of joke. cause there’s just no way.
Posted by: lawlz | May 4, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
tierra you’re so not doing this right. Take a set of rules and apply it to ONLY that other side. Completely dismiss said rules when it pertains to your guy. And don’t forget. Bush, whom let the biggest attack happen, was the best one ever to keep us safe AFTER the big one happened. We need to completely dismiss he was in charge when it took place. And lastly? Take the new guy that walks into an almost depression and blame everything economically on him as well.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
About time passport control for passengers who leave the US on international routes be implemented like on our countries. You want to get out of the US? Show a passport.
Posted by: Il Mango di Treviso | May 4, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
So…Mayor Bloomburg figurs that it might have been a person who was upset about Obamacare who planted this bomb? May I respectfully ask how this idiot actually got elected?
Posted by: Just wonderin' | May 4, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
second and tierra: yes, i know – if it has a D after the name, its blameless. . It’s that kind of mindset that has the country in the mess its in in the first place.
And yes, i remember the Monica thing. Maybe Clinton should have been more concerned with national security than where to put his cigar. Maybe the Republicans should have been more concerned with terror than going after Clinton. I can admit that. you can’t.
Posted by: devil doll | May 4, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Everything is ALWAYS someone else’s fault. Obama thinks (and is supported by the lamestream media) that he and his administration are only responsible for what they SAY they are responsible for. Everything that may be a negative is someone else’s fault – preferably Bush, conservatives, Tea Parties, Limbaugh, Beck, Fox News, Wall Street, the evil rich – but almost anyone else to do. He reminds me of the 5th graders I taught for many years.
Wait, I take that back. It is an insult to my 5th graders.
Posted by: lukuj | May 4, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
riiiiiight second look, americans WANT an attack to show obama up?
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The right wing has been clamoring for it. They want to prove Obama is a weakling.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Only God and Obama have never made a error, and Obama will get around to blaming God for something. What a wimp.
Posted by: enigmaforever | May 4, 2010, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
$50m+ was spent on the US VISIT Air/Sea Exit pilot that was never made mandatory because the airlines lobbied against it and no one at DHS had the guts to demand it. Countless bureaucrats stood in the way of making foreign nationals use the kiosks on departure.
Lee Hamilton is spot on (never thought I would agree with a Democrat)
Hope Tapper does some digging on it – perfect example of continued red-tape and inactivity even only a couple of years after 9/11
Posted by: DR | May 4, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
secondlook,
Thanks for the spelling correction. I say beta male, you say “caveman types”. Since you on the left are so much smarter than we are, can’t you find a more appropriate way to describe Reagan and what conservatives want in leadership than “caveman” types.
You may have to think a while. I can wait.
Posted by: Missing Reagan | May 4, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
devil doll – You can whine till the cows come home and it won’t change the fact Bush was in charge when the twin towers fell. Republicans accused Clinton of being obsessed, and THEN changed it to he did nothing. Typical. Who’s going for blameless here? lol
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
“The right wing has been clamoring for it. They want to prove Obama is a weakling.”
Only an unpaid hack or a sick idiot would say such a thing. Obama is proving HIMSELF to be an ineffective weakling. Like Bush, he’s done nothing about the border. Like Bush, Homeland Security is still a mess. Looks like we gout ourselves a Bush 2. LOL @ you.
Posted by: devil doll | May 4, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Somewhere Reagan is crying when he listens to republicans now. They do not remotely resemble his party of the 80′s.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Whine? LOL – I’ve cited how ineffective Bush was. You can’t say the same about Obama. He’s perfect.
He’s gone golfing more than Bush did in his entire time in office? I guess that’s Bush’s fault too.
Posted by: devil doll | May 4, 2010, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
All of this stupidity we’re lobbing on each side here could be better spent if ALL of us would take this moment to get on congress about turning homeland security money into some bogus cash fund for their dinky home towns, thus wasting resources that should go to the largest cities that will be the targets. Places a terrorist will never hear of has spent our tax money on ignorant items that won’t help NYC in the least. But carry on. Let’s just keep trying to one up the other side.
Posted by: secondlook | May 4, 2010, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
tierra wrote: “It has gotten to the point where i really think that Obamba hates america!!
Posted by: craig | May 4, 2010 11:51:58 PM
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The slimy tactics of the Republican right – to demonize and smear the Democrats and the President.
Despicable.”
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Uh, tierra…Republicans aren’t demonizing and smearing the Dems and Obama.
They’re doing it all quite nicely, to themselves.
Just look at any national poll of the Congress, which the Dems control. If those polls are in any way accurate, then you’ve just called the majority of the American people (including a majority of independents, such as myself) a bunch of fools, for falling for it.
This is waaaay beyond the Repubs, tierra. This is raw, pure Obamaism and liberalism, self-destructing as only they can do.
Posted by: Lee | May 4, 2010, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Reagan did’t like the party then, he didn’t like big government. He knew that the primary responsibilty of government was to keep us safe, not spend and tax. He knew that government could not solve our problems, but government was (and is) our problem. Republicans are not where he was, but the left is far far away.
Posted by: Missing Reagan | May 4, 2010, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
I never said Obama was perfect. I simply said republicans have lost their minds and any ability to reason. You don’t point blame at one while completely ignoring your guy doing worse. It’s stupid to sit here with a guy that was caught and forget Bush got how many killed when he was in charge? Oh, but that’s right. That wasn’t him. That was the democrat before him.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am
tiger woods,
i still can’t believe this. there’s no way people think like this.
look i dont’ like obama. you may really love him, think he’s a genius, whatever.
but people are going to disagree about stuff involving national security. and when they disagree they’re going to attack the other side’s positions. i don’t see how you can chalk that up to WANTING a terror attack.
you’re looking into a large group of people’s hearts and minds that you don’t even know, making one of the biggest possible logical leaps i have ever heard and identifying somewhere around 10% of the country (conservatively) as murderous and at least semi-seditious.
what is it like to walk around identifying a large subsection of america as WANTING a terrorist attack? i can’t even begin to imagine what the world must look like through your eyes.
seriously man, and like i said, we can disagree on obama’s performance. that really has little to do with it. but taking that disagreement -no matter how loud, racist or annoying as it somehow is -a and coming to a conclusion is just beyond my imagination.
i suggest that if you do think this you just kind of keep it to yourself or amongst friends that agree, cause human-being to human-being it sounds like the kind of thing “they’re just out to get the leader” that cult members say.
i chalk your belief up to pessimism about the human race, that i do not share. but none the less, just keep the cult thing in mind.
Posted by: lawlz | May 5, 2010, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Uh, tierra…Republicans aren’t demonizing and smearing the Dems and Obama.
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Yeah, back when I made a peep about Bush and a war when they said I needed to burn in hell that was just joking. Back when I was guilty of treason. Had no morals and values. Noooo. They don’t demonize. But what do I know? I don’t pay taxes or my bills. I hate my country.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Just saw Nightline.The FBI LOST THE TAIL!!!DIDN’T KNOW WHERE HE WAS UNTIL HE REACHED THE AIRPORT!!!And still there is no current nominee to head TSA.
Posted by: Nephron | May 5, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Second Look,
There you go again with your left intellectualism, “Republicans have lost their minds and any ability to reason”.
I just can’t keep up with you.
Can you be more precise with your words? What do you mean?
I know you are not throwing every Republican in the same category as completely crazy people who have lost their mind – like in institutions.
But maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m not smart enough to understand what you are saying.
Posted by: Missing Reagan | May 5, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am
This is raw, pure Obamaism and liberalism, self-destructing as only they can do.
Posted by: Lee | May 4, 2010 11:58:55 PM
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Obama is at 50% approval rating in Gallup again today. Reagan sunk to 35% during his first term.
Someone stating Obama hates America is demonizing and smearing the man – and may need psychiatric help.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Nephron – Obama has nominated at least two for TSA. The right keeps running them off. Put the blame where it belongs. They’ve held everything up since he got in.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:08 am 12:08 am
secondlook wrote: “I never said Obama was perfect. I simply said republicans have lost their minds and any ability to reason. You don’t point blame at one while completely ignoring your guy doing worse. It’s stupid to sit here with a guy that was caught and forget Bush got how many killed when he was in charge? Oh, but that’s right. That wasn’t him. That was the democrat before him. ”
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‘Not thinking clearly?’ Excuse me, secondlook, but it’s not the right who are more concerned about Tea Partiers that foreign terrorists who try to blow up Times Square (and who wanted it to BE a Tea Party type OH…SO…BAD…it turns out not only was he Pakistani but a registered DEMOCRAT, as well), who won’t even call Islamic fanaticism what it IS because they don’t want to ‘offend’ anyone, who want to give blanked amnesty to 12 million+ illegals as a reward for their breaking and entering, and who want beaurocrats deciding who gets how much health care (that’s a reason support for that nonsense has only DROPPED, the more time has passed)…and this, after not only ignoring but openly MOCKING the American majority which opposed it.
It’s stuff like this (and myriads more) that are the reasons the Dems are headed for a cataclysmic disaster this November…and why that is so insanely denied by their dwindling band of defenders — it’s too uncomfortable to think. But it is coming.
Posted by: Reality Independent | May 5, 2010, 12:08 am 12:08 am
So now we know that the bomber was a registered Democrat who ranted against Bush.
We know that mysteriously an explosion occurred on a BP oil rig (where 11 Americans died), conveniently allowing the administration to go after “evil oil.”
We know that 9/11 happened after a series of failed attacks on the World Trade Center during the Clinton administration, and that Al Gore was fully prepared to steal the election to be president during the attack (it was Bill Clinton himself who lamented that the attack didn’t occur during his administration).
Rahm Emanuel said, “Never let a serious crisis go to waste.” I’m beginning to think that all these terrorist attacks are manufactured by the Democrats to pursue their agenda of destroying this country and remaking it into a Communist society.
Posted by: Carl Parsons | May 5, 2010, 12:09 am 12:09 am
So now we know that the bomber was a registered Democrat who ranted against Bush.
We know that mysteriously an explosion occurred on a BP oil rig (where 11 Americans died), conveniently allowing the administration to go after “evil oil.”
Posted by: Carl Parsons | May 5, 2010 12:09:15 AM
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More demonizing and smearing of the Democrats. The Democrats are evil, only the Republicans deserve to rule America, etc, etc, etc . ..
It would be funny if it wasn’t so . . . creepy.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am
So now we’re so desperate we’re going to get into how a terrorist registered to vote? I wonder how that liberal church shooter was registered in 2008. He killed two. I can fathom. He hated liberals and gays.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am
tierra wrote: “Obama is at 50% approval rating in Gallup again today. Reagan sunk to 35% during his first term.”
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Even that still means half the country does not support him.
And Reagan won 44 states in 1980, and 49 in ’84.
He’s already beat Obama’s take by light-years.
Posted by: Reality Independent | May 5, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Reality Inde – You are so full of spin you are a waste of time. Your type puts me to sleep. Missing Reagan can carry on a conversation without Fox talking points. You? Evidently not.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Jamie Gorelick was in the Clinton administration and established the “Wall of Separation” that did not allow the FBI and CIA to share information (information that directly allowed the events of 9/11).
Jamie Gorelick was later the Democrat’s representative in the 9/11 Commission, insuring that no investigation ever went into Clinton’s involvement with the events of 9/11.
Posted by: Carl Parsons | May 5, 2010, 12:16 am 12:16 am
secondlook wrote: “So now we’re so desperate we’re going to get into how a terrorist registered to vote? I wonder how that liberal church shooter was registered in 2008. He killed two. I can fathom. He hated liberals and gays.”
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Secondlook, if the Times Square bomber had been a white male Republican Tea Partier, you couldn’t shout it enough. You shrug this off just because the man was a Democrat. If he’d been a Repub, you’d be the chief trumpeter.
Posted by: Hypocrisy Duly Noted | May 5, 2010, 12:17 am 12:17 am
tierra wrote: “Obama is at 50% approval rating in Gallup again today. Reagan sunk to 35% during his first term.”
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Even that still means half the country does not support him.
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Yes, but Reagan had only 35% approval – meaning that (in your terms) 65% of the people didn’t support him.
This President is doing just fine.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:17 am 12:17 am
secondlook wrote: “Nephron – Obama has nominated at least two for TSA. The right keeps running them off. Put the blame where it belongs. They’ve held everything up since he got in.”
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THANK GOODNESS. Obama only nominates radicals and buffoons.
Posted by: Lee | May 5, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
In August 1998, when Clinton ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation – from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) – that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Tierra,
You are not old enough to remember Reagan. Reagan in both elections swept the country. Obama, Clinton didn’t even get close to those numbers. Try again you self serving lib
Posted by: ed | May 5, 2010, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Hypocrisy – When it comes to a Muslim Arab terrorist? I really don’t give a squat about how they might be registered. I’m guessing that means nothing in this. Let’s chat this again when it’s some home grown terrorist maybe.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:23 am 12:23 am
tierra wrote: “Yes, but Reagan had only 35% approval – meaning that (in your terms) 65% of the people didn’t support him.
This President is doing just fine.”
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No, tierra…he’s not doing just fine, and there’s NO WAY he’s getting 49 states in his re-election in 2012, assuming he even gets enough to be reelected, at all (which is far from certain). Reagan’s numbers dipped largely because of the ’82 recession, which America came roaring back from. Not the same, this time, around. The country’s more divided, this recession is different…and it’s being worsened by Obama. He’s not looked at the same as Reagan — to Obama’s political detriment.
He’s not doing even remotely fine…his party even less so.
Posted by: Reality Independent | May 5, 2010, 12:24 am 12:24 am
You are not old enough to remember Reagan. Reagan in both elections swept the country. Obama, Clinton didn’t even get close to those numbers. Try again you self serving lib
Posted by: ed | May 5, 2010 12:23:32 AM
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During his first term, Reagan’s approval rating fell to 35%. Like Obama, he was handed a very difficult economy.
Obama continues to hold in at 50% approval ratings, or just below.
He’s doing fine.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:26 am 12:26 am
During the Reagan amnesty Congress promised to secure the borders, enforce deportment laws (whiich they wrote), and develop a computer tracking system to monitor all who enter and leave the U.S.
Like all things political, it was merely lies.
Lying by the President, and Congress is tyranny, and an impeachable offense. Refusing to enforce the laws you write, and refusing to defend the Constitution are also impeachable offensives.
Posted by: Cogito | May 5, 2010, 12:27 am 12:27 am
secondlook wrote: “Hypocrisy – When it comes to a Muslim Arab terrorist? I really don’t give a squat about how they might be registered. I’m guessing that means nothing in this. Let’s chat this again when it’s some home grown terrorist maybe.”
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That’s right, secondlook — like I already said — you really DON’T give a squat about how a terrorist might be registered…unless, of course, it’s a white male Republican Tea Partier. Then you’d give QUITE a squat.
Posted by: Hypocrisy Duly Noted | May 5, 2010, 12:28 am 12:28 am
More demonizing and smearing of the Democrats. The Democrats are evil, only the Republicans deserve to rule America, etc, etc, etc . ..
Posted by: tierra |
Honey, it’s your mirror image.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 5, 2010, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Hahaha So now Beck and his crew (you guys) will paint all liberals as Muslim terrorists. I’m getting this new talking point. It was a Muslim registered democrat that hated Bush. That translates into ALL liberals are terrorists now. Have I got this guys? The newest liberal demonization is we’re suddenly Arab, right?
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
Did you ever notice how ever since January 20, 2009 our domestic security has deteriorated?
Posted by: Jason | May 5, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
The blame game – why am I not surprised .. perhaps a major part of all problems we have being exacerbated even more is this NEED TO BLAME – the oil spill is a great example – boy oh boy .. the White House is “keeping the boot to the Throat” of BP so they’ll pay for the clean up – WOW a tad Third Reich sounding to me. Also, BP has said from the start that THEY WILL PAY.
Posted by: Dale Caruso | May 5, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
this recession is different…and it’s being worsened by Obama.
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Unemployment under Reagan was over 9% for 19 straight months. Unemployment under Reagan was over 10% for 10 straight months. Obama has done far better than that after a far worse economic collapse.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Hypocrisy, I really was in Palm Springs and missed this whole thing. You can try somebody else though. Maybe they said what you’re trying to attach to me.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Honey, it’s your mirror image.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 5, 2010 12:29:44 AM
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Not at all, we have 8 years of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and that lot to compare.
Scooter Libby was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for criminal acts committed in Cheney’s White House. It’s not demonizing when they do it.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Jason, Not as much as during Bush’s first year though, huh?
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Interesting tidbit. McClatchey reports that Faisal Shahzad is the son of a former Pakistani Air Force officer living in an upscale area outside Peshawar, and FP’s Blake Hounshell makes the observation that there appears to be an ongoing “pattern of mediocre sons from elite families becoming terrorists. Osama bin Laden’s dad was a wildly successful contractor with close ties to Saudi royalty. Underpants bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s father was a prominent Nigerian banker and one of the wealthiest men in Africa. Perhaps they feel like failures next to their successful dads, and militancy offers a pathway toward self-respect.”
I know that doesn’t add anything to the rather odd (and dull) conversation going on here, but i found it interesting.
Also, what’s up with the GOP’s war on Miranda rights.
As TP notes, ” Gen. Paul Eaton, who trained Iraqi troops during the Bush years, replied, “I don’t understand how a Senator or a Congressman can challenge the Mirandizing procedure. The laws are clear. Rep. King and Senator McCain have advocated a position that could cost us this case.”
Additionally, in a rare twist I never saw coming, I actually agree with Glenn Beck on something: “”You don’t shred the Constitution when its popular.”
Posted by: There is no Planet B | May 5, 2010, 12:34 am 12:34 am
tierra wrote: “Unemployment under Reagan was over 9% for 19 straight months. Unemployment under Reagan was over 10% for 10 straight months. Obama has done far better than that after a far worse economic collapse.”
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Which Obama has largely caused.
Reagan employed tax cuts and free market principles to address the economic mess (21% inflation and a decimated military, too) which he inherited.
Obama is doing the precise opposite, expanding debt into the record books (by spending wealth which hasn’t even been created yet), bloating government to its largest size in history and demonizing free enterprise at literally every level…and even Obama’s White House are saying that high unemployment will be the new norm, and that we better get used to it (oh, and of course it’s all Bush’s fault).
And this, after Obama said unemployment would ‘top off’ at 8% after that gluttonous ‘stimulus package’ was passed. Didn’t happen.
Just like the ‘unity’ he promised, too. Of course, by ‘unity’ he means dropping all opposition and agreeing with HIM — the classic ‘progressive’ definition of bipartisan.
Posted by: Lee | May 5, 2010, 12:36 am 12:36 am
There is no Planet B – Interesting post. And there probably is something to that father son thing.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:37 am 12:37 am
tierra wrote: “Unemployment under Reagan was over 9% for 19 straight months. Unemployment under Reagan was over 10% for 10 straight months. Obama has done far better than that after a far worse economic collapse.”
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Which Obama has largely caused.
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Reagan’s unemployment numbers are far worse than Obama’s. Far worse. TEN months above 10% unemployment – 19 months above 9% unemployment.
And Obama was dealt a far worse economic collapse than Reagan.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:39 am 12:39 am
You are not old enough to remember Reagan. Reagan in both elections swept the country. Obama, Clinton didn’t even get close to those numbers. Try again you self serving lib
Posted by: ed | May 5, 2010 12:23:32 AM
Tierra may not be old enough to remember, but I do. He was a liar and hypocrite. Remember all that crap about his four pillars?
Funny thing is he didn’t practice what he preached. And he was a complete dummy when it came to environmental issues.
I couldn’t stand him. I wasn’t old enough to vote yet, but I do remember my babysitters complaining about his gutting funding for college education too.
And didn’t Fawn Hall have something to do with him? Shredding documents and playboy and Oliver North?
Yeah, great hero.
Not.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | May 5, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Lee – Before Reagan we were the largest creditor nation. He also raised our deficit a massive amount. Some of Obama’s rising deficit? Bush’s tax cuts that never got paid for and massive cuts in revenue due to a horrible recession unlike any in my lifetime. You’re being selective in what you try to insert into this.
Where the Sam Hill were all of you during that pill bill?
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Obama is doing the precise opposite, expanding debt into the record books
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Reagan’s administration TRIPLED the national debt – look it up.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
secondlook wrote: “Hypocrisy, I really was in Palm Springs and missed this whole thing. You can try somebody else though. Maybe they said what you’re trying to attach to me.”
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Sorry, kiddo…I wouldn’t know much about Palm Springs, since that’s largely a hangout for spoiled rich kids who’ve rarely if ever had to work for a living. I’m much more toward the conservative, Reagan Democrat, blue collar end of things.
And I’m a backer of Israel and the Jews, too.
‘Am Israel ‘Chai.
Posted by: Hypocrisy Duly Noted | May 5, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Hypocrisy, Good for you! We went because my husband won the sales incentive trip and me, being his stay at home mom wife, got to go along. I never said we had a house there. Oh, and mostly? The best boss I ever had was Jewish. Just saying.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am
For pete’s sake, would you quit blaming everyone. You’re like a little child.
Posted by: houstonative | May 5, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
For pete’s sake, would you quit blaming everyone. You’re like a little child.
Posted by: houstonative | May 5, 2010 12:46:16 AM
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I would think any no-fly update should be done immediately with every airline . . . wouldn’t you?
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:49 am 12:49 am
this recession is different…and it’s being worsened by Obama.
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Unemployment under Reagan was over 9% for 19 straight months. Unemployment under Reagan was over 10% for 10 straight months. Obama has done far better than that after a far worse economic collapse.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010 12:31:03 AM
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Actually, pertaining to the economy, I read the following at WSJ today:
“Manufacturing activity grew stronger in April, pointing to sustained growth in the sector, as both business and consumer spending rebounded. …The overall index for manufacturing activity climbed to 60.4 in April, up from 59.6 in March, and reflected underlying increases in production, new orders and employment. Any index reading above 50 shows manufacturing is expanding. …The employment index was another highlight in the manufacturing report, rising 3.4 points to 58.5… …General Electric Co. announced Monday it has added 220 manufacturing jobs in Michigan to work in aviation producing jet engines.”
Also from AP:
“Orders to U.S. factories rose a surprising 1.3 percent in March with widespread gains in many industries…
…factory orders were up by the largest amount in more than nine years. The increase offers further evidence that U.S. manufacturers are a consistent source of strength driving the recovery.”
Also, from WSJ: “Boosted by a rebounding economy, U.S. auto sales jumped 20% in April as several car makers, including hard-hit Chrysler Group LLC, posted sizable gains.”
And one more from WSJ: ” Several major banks have scaled back their forecasts for this year’s U.S. federal budget deficit as the improved economic outlook leads to higher tax receipts, and as many banks and companies that received taxpayer bailouts repay their debts early.
That is good news for the government and the Treasury market, where worries surface regularly that demand for U.S. government debt could flag, which would drive yields higher and raise the cost of borrowing for consumers and companies. The improved fiscal outlook means the Treasury can start scaling back record-size auctions, perhaps as early as May.”
Posted by: There is no Planet B | May 5, 2010, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Laughing at all the right-whiners on here praising Reagan…. LOL… the President who HOLDS THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORD in the past 60 years for having the worst monthly national unemployment rate, A WHOLE 20 MONTHS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY!!…. 10.8% during November and December 1982… LOL!
Look it up… the data is all right there at the Bureau of Labor and Statistics website.
Poor republicans… even their “hero” was a “Big L” Loser…. hehehehehe!
Posted by: GeorgieBushie | May 5, 2010, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Blame? This reads more like acknowledging an area we need to work on.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Are they saying that the airline is responsible for doing the feds work?
Posted by: B. Sherrill | May 5, 2010, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Obama is not living up to 1/16th of what his handlers tried to RAHM down our throats. Who even knew him five years ago????? I lost HOPE. He is a fake, an imposter.
Posted by: womenofAZ | May 5, 2010, 12:56 am 12:56 am
The spin from the Fox party is predictable. I suppose you guys are still looking for the weapons of mass destruction? If this is the best that the Taliban can come up with, we don’t have much to worry about. President Obama should have been on top of it, however he has been busy with Bush’s economic collapse, along with two trillion dollar wars he inherited as well as a major environmental disaster in the making, possibly caused by corporate malfeasance. Sure he’s had almost a year and a half to solve all the problems. With all the help he is getting from the Republicans in trying to solve all these complicated issues, he is making progress in spite of them.
Posted by: commonsenseprevail | May 5, 2010, 12:57 am 12:57 am
It is really distressing that the liberals on here post attacks on Ronald Reagan’s unemployment numbers being worse than Obama, but these Obama backers reveal their ignorance of reality in those numbers.
Those numbers were not “Reagan Numbers”, but a Carter Depression which he inherited as America was imploding in stagflation and it took 18 months for President Reagan to stop the hemorrhage.
The people posting on this reveal their ignorance, both in attacking Mr. Reagan and defending Mr. Obama, who inherited a stabilized economy by George W. Bush in January 2009 and then strangled it to pass his stimulus kickbacks to his cronies in looting the US Treasury.
Those facts aside, the real situation is Obama instigated terrorism by his Predator bombing campaign in Pakistan which is not working, as his claimed dead terrorists keep showing up alive.
The damning situation is Lee Hamiliton stating how bad Obama, Holder and Napolitano are mismanaging this entire situation for over a year now. This is a loyal Democrat sounding the alarm.
Mr. Obama has lost his base who are now looking for Reagan Blue State voting again to save America. They are welcome to return and hopefully those who remember President Reagan will be available to educate the posters who post things out of context, because they do not have the intellect to comprehend historical unemployment or economic trends.
God bless
Posted by: Lame Cherry | May 5, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Tierra,
Get your head out of the glue bag! Under Carter the interest rates were over 20% and unemployment was around 15%.We had gas rationing and waited in lines hours to get our gas rations. Reagan policies engineered the most prosperous economic times in recent memory. The computer you are typing on and the internet your using to communicate would not be what they are if the government during the Reagan Admin. hadn’t released these technologies to the private sector to develop. Gore did not invent the internet and he won’t save our planet. Obama is steering us into economic HELL. The housing crash has been engineered by the liberal policies of the past two Democratic Administrations, Carter and Clinton, and further pushed forward by the Democratically controlled house and senate of present, which was by the way the same that was in place during the later phases of George Bush. Obamas
spending and socialist policies are only worsening the recovery efforts and we have not seen the worst yet. All the money Obama, Pelosi and Reed are spending is Tax payer dollars that don’t exsist. They are robbing you, me, my kids and my kids, kids blind. The question is, Is the nation better off today than with Bush? I,d like to see the Obama people handle 911. They got lucky this terrorist was an idiot, he couldn’t start a fire with gas and flame,a little smarter than the panty bomber. At least this guy won’t have to explain his scars to bubba in prison. November can’t come soon enough!
Posted by: Mike | May 5, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Wow. I am amazed. Obama has been blaming Bush for everything since he took over. This is the first time he didn’t blame Bush.
I’ll just wait 5 minutes. He will come around.
Posted by: obamawatcher | May 5, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am
History fails those who attempt to compare Reagan’s unemployment to todays.
Reagan inherited interest rates above twenty percent and fuel shortages caused by the actions of earlier Democrats.
However, he did not whine and search for others to blame. He took historically proven steps to bring to this country a new period of growth that was based on real growth. Unlike today, where the only true growth is the government hiring more agreeable lackies, wanting to suck off the resources of others, rather than create new wealth.
In 1982, the Democrats stated, that unemployment around 9 percent was to be the expected norm. Of course, just like today, they controlled the spending control part of our government, as well as our legal system.
But, go ahead and blame everyone but yourselves. Unless great change is made, the history of the USA will be traced back to a day in the Clinton history when the Democrats decided, their Party and their President can do whatever they want, as long as they can blame the results on others.
Posted by: WSC | May 5, 2010, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Seems to me that the big wigs of government get great joy over patting themselves on the back for success when the reality is that private citizens saved the day.
The government then dropped the ball by losing the suspect and he was able to get on a plane and almost escape. I do not think this to be a back-patting moment!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | May 5, 2010, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Horrible thought, but could it be that friends of the Obama were involved in some degree. How horrible a thing we have done if this is it. It couldn’t be true, but one wonders with these people keep dropping the ball.
Posted by: John Smith | May 5, 2010, 1:08 am 1:08 am
History fails those who attempt to compare Reagan’s unemployment to todays.
Reagan inherited interest rates above twenty percent and fuel shortages
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And Obama inherited an economy in almost complete free-fall collapse, major banks and financial institutions collapsing, over 700,000 people losing their jobs every month, foreclosure and bankruptcies through the roof, the stock market crashing, major American automobiles companies collapsing . ..
Nothing much really . . .
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 1:13 am 1:13 am
CBS News confirmed that Emirates did not properly screen before boarding. The name was entered by the pilot, and the NFL confirmation happened after that. Had the correct screening happened before, he may have been stopped.
I’m also suspecting that even having the name a little earlier, a judgement call would have been made to allow him to board. If TSA screening was successful, he would have been an unarmed sitting duck. Whether he was yanked before the plane left, or after it landed, he would have only very difficult escape routes.
Posted by: kravitz | May 5, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Posted by: Ed Taylor | May 5, 2010 1:07:28 AM
Ed the guy was apprehended by the Customs and Protection agency of the United States. We got him. Give some credit where credit is due.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am
CBS News confirmed that Emirates did not properly screen before boarding. The name was entered by the pilot, and the NFL confirmation happened after that. Had the correct screening happened before, he may have been stopped.
Posted by: kravitz | May 5, 2010 1:15:42 AM
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So the senior White House official was simply stating the truth – and all the Republican right have been doing on here is attacking and ridiculing.
Sad.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Once again, we got lucky. The bomb maker was incompetent. The next one may not be.
And our so-called leaders play the blame game and try to score political points.
It’s sad.
Posted by: Newbern W Johnson | May 5, 2010, 1:22 am 1:22 am
And Obama inherited an economy in almost complete free-fall collapse, major banks and financial institutions collapsing, over 700,000 people losing their jobs every month, foreclosure and bankruptcies through the roof, the stock market crashing, major American automobiles companies collapsing . ..
Nothing much really . . .
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010 1:13:46 AM
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please don’t confuse them with facts. They’re brains will expolde.
I heard Pataki running off at the mouth this morning regarding how the administration is lax on seeking out the terrorists etc etc……wasn’t he governor of NY when the planes flew into the buildings? Weren’t Bush and the Republicans in total control of the country? Wasn’t there a shoe bomber after that also? Funny how selective his memory is….but then again, that’s what I’ve grown to expect from partisan hacks on both sides of the aisle.
Posted by: dk | May 5, 2010, 1:25 am 1:25 am
Once again, we got lucky.
Posted by: Newbern W Johnson | May 5, 2010 1:22:54 AM
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And lets’ face it, the people and the families of Iraq killed or maimed by the tens of thousands by the American attack have not been so lucky.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 1:25 am 1:25 am
we totally need an effective the checking system that can give fast and accurate info about people come into US and also living here.Most importantly the terrorist list need to be update really fast and sent to all airline to update with them..
Posted by: superbacnetreatment | May 5, 2010, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Lame Cherry Said: “The people posting on this reveal their ignorance, both in attacking Mr. Reagan and defending Mr. Obama, who inherited a stabilized economy by George W. Bush in January 2009…”
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LMAO!…. WHAT PLANET were you living on in October/November/December 2008 (just before Obama took office)?… LOL.
You APPARENTLY do not recall the “Wall Street Bailout”…LOL… you know, that law that the Bush administration rushed through congress (i.e., Hank Paulson) called, the “EMERGENCY” Economic Stabilization Act of 2008″. For your education Lame Cherry, there’s a reason the word “Emergency” is in the title of that law (because the economy was in shambles and America as we knew it was about to no longer exist).
For your information Lame Cherry, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research… the current recession we’re in… well, they officially declared it “starting” in December 2007, one year before Bush left office. And, “we’re still in it”… LOL.
So for you to sit there and say that Obama inherited a “stabilized” economy from Bush, only proves one thing… your sad ignorance about what occurred in the entire year before Bush left office.
Posted by: GeorgieBushie | May 5, 2010, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Is there any penalty imposed upon airlines which fail to respect no-fly lists?
If so, does having a slow or sporadic update procedure give an airline an exception to that penalty?
Or, are airlines exempt from having to check no-fly lists on international flights?
Posted by: Daniel | May 5, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am
So, the underwear bomber didn’t make it clear enough that the no-fly list needs to be moved to real-time access for all airlines. How could the department of security operate as a department of security and fail to understand how important that is? Of course, this is the same department that has totally failed to patrol the border enough to keep Phoenix from becoming number 2 city in the world for kidnappings for ransom. Its readily apparent the no-fly list will never offer real-time access till this administration leaves office and Americans will just need to throw the dice every time we fly.
Posted by: Duude | May 5, 2010, 1:55 am 1:55 am
This is the 9/11 commission guy who didn’t find that 7 of the 19 on the planes are still alive? Their IDs were stolen.
Posted by: AmPak | May 5, 2010, 2:10 am 2:10 am
With Obama it always someones fault.
This time it was Emirates Airlines
instead os US security.I am suprised
that he didn’t blame George Bush.
Posted by: Rich | May 5, 2010, 2:16 am 2:16 am
Stop allowing Muslims into America. Problem solved.
Posted by: Jimbo | May 5, 2010, 2:28 am 2:28 am
Let the phibustering spin meisters have their say… DAMN what anybody else thinks! What is this PRAVDA!?!
Posted by: CBA | May 5, 2010, 2:35 am 2:35 am
The FBI allowed him on the plane to make last minute calls to see if there was anyone else he would call before the flight embarked.
Posted by: J M | May 5, 2010, 2:44 am 2:44 am
fuel shortages caused by the actions of earlier Democrats.
Posted by: WSC
wow have I been wrong..
there I was thinking that the 73′ OPEC induced shortages were a result of American support of Israel,.. and he ’79 shortages were a result of the revolution in Iran against the support of the Shah by the US.
Posted by: PO'd | May 5, 2010, 2:47 am 2:47 am
Is there any penalty imposed upon airlines which fail to respect no-fly lists?
If so, does having a slow or sporadic update procedure give an airline an exception to that penalty?
Or, are airlines exempt from having to check no-fly lists on international flights?
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I guess the Obama administration can take them to court and sue them for money like they have been doing to many large companies.
Posted by: Brendan | May 5, 2010, 3:25 am 3:25 am
Obama fails again.
First they tried to blame this on “white right wingers”… no mention that it is AGAIN another MUSLIM from Pakistan.
These terrorists were supposed to love us once the fools elected this idiot Messiah…
What happened?
Posted by: Obama is a fool | May 5, 2010, 3:48 am 3:48 am
My understanding is that this person was already identified as the person who owned and armed the car with explosives. How did he ever make it on that plane? It seems to me that it was a lucky fluke that he didn’t make it out of the county. The Obama administration shouldn’t be patting themselves on the back. They just got lucky … again!
Posted by: Lynn | May 5, 2010, 4:17 am 4:17 am
Woulda been a shame if they’d had to have shot the plane down ;)
Posted by: Andrew | May 5, 2010, 5:03 am 5:03 am
Security tracking and electronic surveillance from the Bush administration caught this guy . . . but barely. He made it to the plane and Obama is high fiving his liberal kamerads for a ‘job well done’ while he and his party criticized Bush for ‘naked power grabs’? Biden states that the war in Iraq could be this administration’s great success story? Obama wants to start drilling for oil? Obama wants to build nuclear power plants? Ever since the Scott Brown victory in Mass., Obama has been trying to take credit for every conservative principle that has created jobs and those that keep America safe while he criticized Bush for these very things. Now that America is trying to shed themselves of this BS Artist, Obama puts on his chameleon coat to appear conservative – the oil-drilling job creator and the surveillance enforcer who’s tough on terrorists. Sounds to me like a man in desperation.
Posted by: EPU | May 5, 2010, 5:17 am 5:17 am
Doesn’t anyone wonder what TSA was doing?? Why are they not minute-by-minute updating their copy of the No Fly List?? Oh .. that’s right .. they were busy checking Grandma’s shoes.
Posted by: IStayOnThe Ground | May 5, 2010, 5:27 am 5:27 am
So the media, except for the WSJ won’t report that this terrorist was openly critical of President Bush. Hmm perhaps those 8 years of anti-government rhetoric by Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, and Obama against Bush incited this man to commit violence. According to the media and this administration, only Obama critics are the ones to be looked at with suspicion.
We all know that the media wanted so badly for this guy to be a Tea Partier.
Posted by: EPU | May 5, 2010, 5:30 am 5:30 am
The lack of any job experience is showing in hopey changey land.
Posted by: Willy Brown | May 5, 2010, 5:37 am 5:37 am
One would think that, since the jihadists are still purchasing one way tickets at the last minute in cash, he should have had a little extra scrutiny by TSA (not the airline) before boarding. My mother-in-law, who is French-American and in her late 80s, always gets searched when she travels one-way (as when she is riding back with relatives by car.) She doesn’t even use cash to purchase! If this is considered to be a system working, I hate to see a systemic failure.
Posted by: spudmom | May 5, 2010, 5:49 am 5:49 am
It has to be Bush’s fault.
Posted by: tex02 | May 5, 2010, 6:03 am 6:03 am
It has to be Bush’s fault.
Posted by: tex02
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It had to be*.
A Pakistani Terrorist fleeing on a jet to Dubais. With the Feds escorting him onto the plane (filled with people).
*in someone’s mind.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 6:37 am 6:37 am
The knee grow fiddles while USA burns…
This child is deplorable…not my fault its his na na na na boo boo….
where is JE Ray when you need him?
Posted by: tyredokuhns | May 5, 2010, 6:47 am 6:47 am
The article is incorrect. The plane did leave the gate.
Napolitano must resign. She’s a disgrace.
Posted by: Tex | May 5, 2010, 6:50 am 6:50 am
I’ve flown out of JFK many times. As I recall you have to stand in a long line, at the end of the line are people asking for Id’s and boarding passes. They have patches on their sleeves that read “TSA”.
I’m certain that TSA people work for the Fed. What do they look at when ask for ID and a boarding pass? I would think they would have a copy of the “No Fly” list.
I just hope this fellow is prosecuted with the same vigor as if he were a militia member.
Posted by: JMWinPR | May 5, 2010, 7:03 am 7:03 am
A day earlier, he was placed on that list for a reason. What?
He walked through airport security because they had no notice (that’s the story). He wasn’t removed by air marshalls or airport security, Feds stopped that plane. If they weren’t following him the whole time how did they happen to be there? If they were following the whole time why weren’t they in touch with airport security?
Somebody is lying. Who do you think it is?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 7:04 am 7:04 am
I think that the PERFECT ANALOGY for this guy living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is that he sends SWAT TEAMS to oil rigs, and MAMA LEONI to Homeland Security.
D
My favorite line, after this Street Hustler was elected by 60 Million FOOLS, was:”Now the GROWNUPS are in charge.”
Yeah. The grownups. “It’s not my fault. It’s everyone else’ fault. Don’t look at me!”
Pathetic.
Posted by: Timothy L. Pennell | May 5, 2010, 7:10 am 7:10 am
So, why are the airlines downloaing updated lists in the first place? Why dosen’t the DHS computer system push down any changes to the airline databases real time?
Why do the airlines need to manually check passengers against a no fly list? Computers are normally pretty good at searching. The reservation system should automatically check the no-fly list before booking.
Nice to know that our safty is entrusted to the most incompetent organization on the planet, our federal government.
Posted by: Dan Mcc | May 5, 2010, 7:12 am 7:12 am
They had his picture and his name at 11:00AM on Monday. He could have just as easily been planning to hijack or blow up that plane. Instead of spending a bunch of money on a blue ribbon panel or another commission, why don’t they just fire a bunch of people like they should have after 9/11?
Posted by: Joe | May 5, 2010, 7:15 am 7:15 am
How is it that, after almost ten years from 9/11, a terrorist 1) gets a US citizenship, and 2) almost blows up Times Square than Jumps on a plane.
The system clearly does not work. Fire the government.
The rag-tag Taliban with a budget 1/1,000,000 of America’s (albeit none graduated from an Ivy League either) must be enjoying this.
Posted by: mike | May 5, 2010, 7:20 am 7:20 am
Use software to cross check data and databases with results linked to “Requests” such as: accepting or denying electronic or manual ticket requests, final boarding requests and plane permission to take-off requests.
All “Requests” are electronic and granted or denied in realtime.
This is a no-brainer for ‘Software’!!!!
Posted by: jim | May 5, 2010, 7:37 am 7:37 am
The cellphone call to the airport to get the ticket should have been monitored as were the internatioal calls previously made from that phone. But monitoring domestic calls is not allowed by our revised patriot act procedures. Pretty dumb. No high fives,please Mr. President.
You failed us again.
Posted by: Frank Hassett | May 5, 2010, 7:39 am 7:39 am
Typical socialist-democrat Obamabot response … it’s everybody’s fault but theirs… Emirates Air, Bush, Donald Duck, that guy over there, etc.
Isn’t this getting a bit old?
I don’t recall one single incident where President Bush blamed any administration failure on someone else, and he sure could have.
Posted by: LBlanks | May 5, 2010, 7:43 am 7:43 am
I have software on my computer that tells me when there’s an update to one of my programs. Can’t Homeland Security do the same thing when there’s an update to the no-fly list?
Posted by: Peter D | May 5, 2010, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Now what else would you expect this bunch of neophyte weenies in Washington to say? They can never admit that they might be a little to blame, only blame someone else. I know, you guys, according to Nutpolitano and Slezealar, have been on this Pakistani terrorist from “Day 1.” That’s Day 1, Day 1, Day 1, Day 1, etc.
Posted by: RufusVonDufus | May 5, 2010, 7:53 am 7:53 am
WILL THIS ADMINISTRATION EVER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR LAXNESS? DAY ONE, DAY ONE, DAY ONE, BLAME BUSH, BLAME BUSH, BUT NEVER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR INEPTNESS.
Posted by: hadenuf | May 5, 2010, 7:54 am 7:54 am
This is NOT the airline’s fault. No way. No how. Where were the TSA agents?
Obama is a horrible president. He acts like a child, always blaming everyone else. He’s a disgusting man and I find him personally and utterly repulsive–he’s pushing 50 and acts with a level of maturity that many high school kids exceed. Disgusting! Obama needs to GO!
Posted by: QR4J | May 5, 2010, 7:55 am 7:55 am
I am surprised that these Obama cretins haven’t attempted to blame Bush yet. These “intellectual” wannabe fools find glitz and glamour in getting a negro in the white house. I suppose it didn’t matter if he was qualified or not. Well…he’s there now. Enjoy the ride.
Posted by: Swami Poobah | May 5, 2010, 7:57 am 7:57 am
The J.V.’s are going to get us all killed. Can we really wait until 2012 when the Varsity finally gets back onto the field?
Posted by: jadams76 | May 5, 2010, 8:02 am 8:02 am
The man was caught
Posted by: mcfed | May 5, 2010, 8:02 am 8:02 am
how much longer before we see some tangible results of obama’s out reach to the muslim world?
Posted by: robert smith | May 5, 2010, 8:03 am 8:03 am
WE HAVE PEOPLE CHECKING GRANNY’S HAND LOTIONS, BUT WE CANNOT CHECK A “NO FLY” LIST? THE ONLY THING THAT HAS KEPT AMERICANS FROM BEING KILLED, BY TERRORISTS, SINCE THIS ADMINISTRATION TOOK OFFICE, IS THE INEPTNESS OF THE TERRORISTS. OUR LUCK (THAT’S WHAT IT IS, NOT ANYTHING DONE BY THE POWER IN CHARGE), WILL RUN OUT ONE OF THESE DAYS. WE NEARLY LOST A PLANE LOAD OF PASSENGERS, DUE TO THE INEPTNESS OF THE TERRORIST (HE WAS GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (RIDICULOUS), AND NOW DUE TO THE INEPTNESS OF THIS BOMBER, WE HAVE PEOPLE STILL ALIVE, BUT ONE DAY, DUE TO THE INEPTNESS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION (NAPPY’S DHS), OUR LUCK IS SURE TO END. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS MORE SYMPATHY FOR THE TERRORISTS, THAN IT DOES THE LIVES OF AMERICANS, AND I WONDER WHY!!!!!
Posted by: hadenuf | May 5, 2010, 8:03 am 8:03 am
Shouldn’t buying a one way ticket paying cash have been reason enough to stop him?
Posted by: John | May 5, 2010, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Has this guy no shame? Can he take ownership of nothing? I have never seen any statesman (used loosely) refuse to own up to so little that they are responsible for. Unbelievable!
Posted by: G R Chambers | May 5, 2010, 8:05 am 8:05 am
Common sense never prevails when it comes to political correctness and “racial” profiling. I bet at least 3 little old ladies went thru a complete body search while this guy just passes thru with no problem. But, PC prevailed and the 3 little ladies met the standard for no racial profiling. Good grief!
Posted by: salty dog | May 5, 2010, 8:07 am 8:07 am
Hecka va job Barry!
Posted by: Dee | May 5, 2010, 8:07 am 8:07 am
Great bumper sticker I saw the other day:
“Change It Back”
Posted by: salty dog | May 5, 2010, 8:09 am 8:09 am
Why are we depending on the airlines to monitor these lists? This makes no sense to me, Homeland Security should be driving this bus and held accounatble, not the airlines. The U.S. government should quit worring about taking over healthcare and car companies and focus on what the really should be doing, protecting the borders.
Posted by: TQ1520 | May 5, 2010, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Just imagine if this happened under the previous administration? I wonder who the media would be blaming right now?
The big-eared jackass and his thug nation in the White House MUST GO.
“How’s that hope and change working for you?”
Posted by: Roddy Piper | May 5, 2010, 8:14 am 8:14 am
I have an idea! For all international travel coming and going to the U.S one must submit their credentials (passport, etc.) to HLS no later than one week before scheduled travel. HLS does the scan and releases the names of the approved passengers to the airlines so they can provide a ticket to the approved passenger. Is this really that hard?
Posted by: TQ1520 | May 5, 2010, 8:17 am 8:17 am
THE OBAMA ADMIN. IS LIKE ROMPER ROOM.
IT’S OUR FAULT FOR ELECTING A “COMMUNITY ORGANIZER” TO BE PRESIDENT.
Posted by: JAMIE | May 5, 2010, 8:18 am 8:18 am
WWEAD? (What Would El Al Do)
Posted by: TQ1520 | May 5, 2010, 8:20 am 8:20 am
Where is the outrage from the Muslim community?
Posted by: Sigmonde | May 5, 2010, 8:21 am 8:21 am
Come forth obamatrons and support your leader.
Posted by: jonny | May 5, 2010, 8:27 am 8:27 am
How about putting sending Nancy to San Francisco, Harry to Los Vegas, and Obama to his home country of Keyna and then put then of a no fly list
Posted by: BillyBaloo | May 5, 2010, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Obama won’t take credit for the economy until it comes back. obama won’t take responsibility for his administration’s incompetence when it comes to protecting this nation. Yeah, everybody is a vigilant hero and a member of the mutual admiration society, that is unless of course they get blown up first. After-the-fact spinning of the chain of events seems to be this despot’s MO. How is it that Napolitano is still employed by the US government? When the next terrorist attack is successful on American soil, who will obama blame? The mainstream media’s knees must be hurting by now.
Posted by: littleblindjeffymcrib | May 5, 2010, 8:32 am 8:32 am
NAPOLITANO AND PRES. OBLAHBLAH WON’T SAY IT SO I WILL.
THIS WAS ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK. THE QUARAN SUPPORTS TERRORISM AND THE OVER THROWING OF GOVERNMENTS. PATRIOTIC AMERICANS, MUSLIM OR NOT, SHOULD DENOUNCE THIS ATTEMPT AT MASS MURDER.
THEY’RE SILENT BECAUSE EITHER THEY’RE COWARDS OR THEY SUPPORT JIHAD.
SHAHZAD IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, SO TRY HIM FOR TREASON AND EXECUTE HIM.
Posted by: Donteatyellowsnow | May 5, 2010, 8:34 am 8:34 am
According to Obama, government never drops the ball – only corporations do.
Posted by: DannyDapper | May 5, 2010, 8:36 am 8:36 am
The Emirates plane DID leave the gate. That is why Breitbart has an audio tape of the controller requesting flight 202 heavy to return to the gate immediatley.
Marcia Kramer at CBS has an article that says Army Intelligence flew a secret plane over NYC that picked up his telephone call. The complaint in NY’s Southern District Court says he had not used his pre-paid Verizon cellular phone since April 28th.
What is going on? Is this all just sloppy reporting, or are the Feds making it all up to cover their bungling?
Posted by: Kosmos395 | May 5, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am
Any bets when the ACLU will get involved??
Posted by: sara | May 5, 2010, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Warren said: “One day political correctness will get more Americans killed.” It already has, ever hear of Fort Hood?
Posted by: LathonBaud | May 5, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am
“You guys (tierra & secondlook) come off like spokesmouths for the Democrats but you’re probably not bright enough to draw a paycheck from the DNC for it.” – devil doll
Whoa there devil doll, I still can’t tell if those two are very smart or not, spouting out talking points is no sign of intelligence, but I think they very well indeed may be pulling down a paycheck from some Liberal entity.
Posted by: Noz | May 5, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Based on past performance, we all know who dropped the ball. And it sure wasn’t the airlines! This administration is great on rhetoric and short on action.
Posted by: savage24 | May 5, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am
So it’s the airlines fault? How do you spell TSA? I cannot board a plane without submitting my ID to the TSA. Since when is national security a responsibility of the airlines? The TSA is too busy randomly searching grandmothers when they should be racially profiling.
Posted by: VWDriver | May 5, 2010, 9:00 am 9:00 am
“The System worked,” says Homeland Insecurity head Janet Incompitano.
Posted by: maryo | May 5, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Is there any chance that Emirate Airlines employees knowingly helped a jihadi attempt to escape?
Posted by: Patrick Carroll | May 5, 2010, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Let me be clear….I have no idea what I’m doing.
Posted by: lolbama | May 5, 2010, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Typical liberal double-speak. Blame someone (anyone) else rather than take responsibility for their own ineptitude.
Posted by: Bo | May 5, 2010, 9:11 am 9:11 am
It’s time for the real truth to come out on how this guy got through the TSA checkpoints with a one-way, cash bought, at the last minute ticket. Honestly… it’s time for Janet Incompitano, who clearly has no clue how to run Homeland Insecurity, to go.
Posted by: Darrell | May 5, 2010, 9:15 am 9:15 am
When will they fire Janet “the failure” Napolitano and her no good staff. They are failures in all ways. We need real leadership there not hot air and windbags.
Posted by: thinkerray | May 5, 2010, 9:16 am 9:16 am
“And Obama inherited an economy in almost complete free-fall collapse, major banks and financial institutions collapsing, over 700,000 people losing their jobs every month, foreclosure and bankruptcies through the roof, the stock market crashing, major American automobiles companies collapsing . .. ”
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Tierra, quit being a fool. Even if all that you parrot is true, which it’s not, why in the world would you want to take such a dire picture and TRIPLE or QUADRUPLE the damage? You don’t take 6% unemployment and turn itinto 10%. You don’t take over poorly run companies, with tax payer dollars and then run the companies into the ground. And foreclosures and bankruptcies went throough the roof on Obama’s watch and due directly to his policies and he does nothing to reign in Fannie/Freddie which started the whole thing, and which Bush tried in vain to curb.
Seriously, you are just going to have to change the channel from Olberduma$$ and Madcow and start watching some fair and balanced reporting. Maybe you will then realize just how much Obama has and continues to harm this country, and you personally.
Posted by: rc | May 5, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Let’s play the left’s “On Bush’s Watch” game with Obama:
This terrorist was naturalized on Obama’s watch.
This attack was perpetrated, planned and carried out on Obama’s watch.
Obama was dithering at the WH correspondent’s/celebrity dinner telling jokes on his own watch while this was all happening.
The bomb would have gone off at 7am if the bomber had adjusted the timer to US time rather than European time. On Obama’s watch.
This is the fourth Islamic-related terror attack/attempted attack on Obama’s watch since he took over in 2009 (Ft. Hood shootings, Underwear Bomber, attempt to blow up NYC subways).
Luck is not an anti-terrorism policy.
Posted by: Good Lt. | May 5, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
So you all trust a middle eastern airline to protect the US…Absolutely Blindingly Brilliant! That airline is based in the UAE, which has Dubai, also known as Terrorist Central HQ. Why is there not a TSA official at each and every middle east based airline?I wonder just how many ethnic UAE and Arab nationals are working there?? I would bet my boots that terrorists already know just how far that no-fly list is behind on updates. Let us hire some Isreali Mossad retirees and get some serious security in place. Really need to have one that has Janet Incompetano reporting to him for training.
Posted by: CW Orange | May 5, 2010, 9:20 am 9:20 am
“The spin from the Fox party is predictable. I suppose you guys are still looking for the weapons of mass destruction? ”
Uh…commonsense (funny name):
Don’t look now, but we found the weapons of mass destruction – Pelosi Reid and Obama!
Posted by: rc | May 5, 2010, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Lets face it people, nothing is or ever will be the Obama administrations fault. He inherited everything and therefore is not to blame for anything now or in the future. This includes all his legislation and their consequences,
Posted by: who cares | May 5, 2010, 9:26 am 9:26 am
These people really live in a fantasy world. How can they have ANY CONTROL over who enters or leaves the country when our borders are unprotected.It has been known for years our southern border is not just an entry point for Mexicans but for people from all around the planet. The very first response to 9/11 should have been complete and total border control.While the focus has been on potential terrorists with Arab names, terrorists from Mexico and Central America such as the MS13 have flooded our country at will and kill people on a daily basis.Just more D.C. B.S.!
Posted by: Ura Dumas | May 5, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am
One wonders how many no-fly people, have been coming in, instead of going out?
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | May 5, 2010, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Obama can only blame others. Does he EVER take personal responsibility for anything he has caused? We need change NOW, Democrats out in November, and Obama shortly after. He has put this country on financial train wreck with the spending and explosive government jobs increase.
With decreasing defense in the face of terrorists and spending to put us on the path of collapse like Greece, we need to stop the nonsense NOW!
Posted by: Ruth | May 5, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
So, by the regime’s standards, United and American Airlines were responsible for letting the 9-11 hijackers on their planes? Grow a set White House, and take responsibility.
Posted by: Anon | May 5, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
This is an example of bureaucratic error.The rules apparently allow time to go through the motions.
Why wasn’t a direct phone call made to alert all airlines about this would be bomber.
No -oh the rules call for a procedure – that takes 24 hours.
Posted by: don Hutchinson | May 5, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Hey Jake,
Would you dust off that piece you wrote about obama while on the campaign trail in LA.
Remember when obama said he was GOD. I think he really believe he is some sort oof god.
People need to be reminded that obama thinks he is something special not just a guy who was put in the position and if left to his own vices couldn’t run a candy store.
Posted by: Qualic Boy | May 5, 2010, 9:52 am 9:52 am
My favorite comment on the hysterics of the Right (again) and their take on what happened: “We almost let the Times Square non-bomber escape, if by “escape” you mean “sit on a plane for a few minutes”.
He almost blew up a bomb, if by “bomb” you mean “lashed together a useless mixture of gas, propane and firecrackers”. (Balloon Juice)
By that standard, what have you almost done? Could be just about anything if you’re good at magnification…
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Remember the time when we used to put “competent” people in charge instead of Democrat Political “HACKS”. Napolitano, Hillary Clinton (State Dept ?) Eric Holder, John Brennan, and the MOST INCOMPETENT of All : Mr. Obama.
Posted by: Philly Mike | May 5, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Why wasn’t a direct phone call made to alert all airlines about this would be bomber.
don Hutchinson | May 5, 2010 9:51:03 AM
An electronic notification was sent to all airlines at 12:30pm. Not sure why you think a phone call (to who exactly?) would work any better than the established procedure for immediate notification (it took three minutes from flagging him to the message being delivered to all airlines).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Sure, it’s the Airlines failure. Saint Barak never ever errs – it’s ALWAYS somebody eles’s fault.
Posted by: Bob | May 5, 2010, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Please check the archives at website World Net Daily “How the Banks Were Bullied into Making Bad Loans” Date: April 5,2009 published by The Capital Research Center a non-partisan research group. It clearly explains how the housing crash was “engineered” and why the banks failed. Be open minded and think of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd told us 1 month before Freddie and Fannie failed that both Freddie and Fannie were solvent and we had no worries about their failure. At that time Freddie and Fannie controlled about 75% of all mortgages.
Posted by: Mike | May 5, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Well it would be the airlines fault if they suspect something is wrong. The guy paid in cash, which already created a red flagged for the counterperson. And yet this yo-yo was allowed on the plane. Obama can’t be blamed for everything. People can buy propane tanks, and gasoline. Unless you want to be questioned by the FBI for every person who is going to lite up their grill this summer.
Posted by: Mike T | May 5, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
What a clown show! How the hell do you loose a surveillance target?
Says that the “trade-craft” of the involved agencies should be retrained. Moreover, the trigger is that this guy bought a one way ticket for ca
and had no luggage!
Posted by: Jim L | May 5, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
oBUMa and his cronies are the ones to blame, no one else! Napolitano is the most unqualified human on Earth to be heading up Homeland Security! Totally in over her head. This is NOT a learning on the job position. This job is the security of our country and to put such an incompetent person in this position just re-enforces what an incompetent oBUMa himself is!
Posted by: Smilinjack | May 5, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Obama has divided this country like we haven’t seen since the Vietnam War. A nation this divided will have a very difficult time in the future with all the liars that occupy the Congress and the Press having absolutely no will to seek the truth!
Posted by: rockychance | May 5, 2010, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Remember the time when we used to put “competent” people in charge instead of Democrat Political “HACKS”
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Nope, I don’t remember a time when there were competent non-Dems in charge. Must’ve been well before the 1960s…. Unless the key word is “hacks” in which case, I think Obama and Pelos clearly aren’t hacks and in fact are doing a decent job, particularly given the mess they’re cleaning up, and the lack of help they’ve received from the Party of Fear and Greed and, of course, NO!!!
If you’re talking about the counterterrorism front, it wasn’t on Dems watch that the successful terrorist attacks of 9/11 went down– that’s just the plain and simple truth. But why play the blame game :^) I agree with the President on this:
“We know that the aim of those who try to carry out these attacks is to force us to live in fear, and thereby amplifying the effects of their attacks — even those that fail. But as Americans, and as a nation, we will not be terrorized. We will not cower in fear. We will not be intimidated. We will be vigilant. We will work together. And we will protect and defend the country we love to ensure a safe and prosperous future for our people.”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Bush read children’s books while 3000 died in 9/11.
The Times Square bomber is caught and somehow Obama is to blame.
Right Wingers pls come back to reality.
Posted by: Michae | May 5, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Like most Democrats, Obama is not willing to take the blame for anything (but is more than willing to take credit when things go well). Instead, like a spoiled 8 year old child, they shift they blame to someone else, even when there is damning evidence to the contrary. Does not matter if the issues is a terrorist incident or the economy. Liberals will never grow up because they will never own up to their failed policies.
Posted by: EvidentlyNot | May 5, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Emirates is at fault? I think not.
From CBS News:
“Emirates notified the Department of Homeland Security that it had received a last-minute request for an all-cash purpose of a one-way ticket to Dubai..”
And Napolitano put Shazam on the no-fly list AFTER he was arrested??
Great work, Barry!
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
“…recommended that you had to have biometric evidence, documentarian evidence of people coming in and exiting” the country. “We’ve done a pretty good job on the first part of it people entering the country…”
Well, except for the 12-20 million people here illegally, and those 1,000s more entering/exiting illegally each week… “You Know those folks that both the Repubs and Dems have ignored until it’s become politically incorrect to even begin addressing a la Arizona.
Posted by: styrgwillidar | May 5, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Steve Benen at Washington Monthly’s Political Animal caught something rather interesting:
“Yesterday morning, Jonah Goldberg responded to news of Faisal Shahzad with a candid concession: “When the Times Square story first broke there was a part of me that said, ‘Man, I hope it’s not some white militia nutjob.’ When I saw the news this morning that it was a Pakistani, the same small part of me was relieved.”
Funny, I was relieved that the suspect was in custody, regardless of his personal characteristics. But Goldberg and I tend to see things a little differently.
That said, Goldberg’s response probably wasn’t especially unusual in some conservative circles. After all, on Monday, some officials had identified a 40-something white male, seen on security cameras, as a possible person of interest. Given that violent domestic radicals have engaged in some awful U.S. attacks of late … the initial reports probably caused some conservatives to wonder if the Times Square bomber was another white, right-wing extremist.”
He also notes that Tea Party Nation’s response to Mayor Bloomberg’s initial thoughts on the topic is, in effect, “Wait, crazed U.S. extremist who might set off a car bomb? Maybe he’s talking about us!”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:13 am 10:13 am
You can’t blame Bush for 9/11, he INHERITED it from Clinton. Islamic terrorism had been trending upward for years, and Clinton did nothing. You can’t blmae Bush for Iraq either, because Clinton warned about Iraqi WMDs for years, including on 1/20/2001. Plus, Bush was told by the CIA director he INHERITED from Clinton (Tenet) that Iraq had large stockpiles of WMDs. Normally a president picks a new CIA director during his transition, but Bush (unlike every other president in history) had to spend his transition fighting off Gore’s attempt to steal the election.
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Janet Napolitano is useless. Her paycheck is a drain on the economy. She did nothing as governor of Arizona and doing even less in DC.
Posted by: Steve | May 5, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am
“Emirates notified the Department of Homeland Security that it had received a last-minute request for an all-cash purpose of a one-way ticket to Dubai..”
And Napolitano put Shazam on the no-fly list AFTER he was arrested??
drjohn | May 5, 2010 10:12:35 AM
Emirates gave that notification HOURS AFTER HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
Napolitano put his on the no-fly list at 12:30 pm – well before he showed up at the airport at 7:30 pm.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am
This will be the first president to ever weaken the United States of America. President Obama uses his aggression and arrogance for his own agenda against the will of the American people when he should be using his will and aggression against our enemies. This is the most corrupt administration in American history. Obama will not protect Americans. GOD HELP US ALL!
Posted by: OBAMA DROPPED THE BALL! | May 5, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Orr reports Emirates “notified the Department of Homeland Security and the rest of the federal government that they got a last minute request for a purchase- a one way purchase in cash – from an individual who wanted to go to Dubai. Those are all red flags. The airline said to the FBI and others this is suspicious and in fact, a short time later, the man was found on the plane and apprehended.”
- CBS News
Then again, had it not been a Muslim who bought a one way ticket with cash and had no baggage said person would have been yanked off the flight and questioned at length.
That’s twice it’s happened dexactly that way.
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 10:24 am 10:24 am
You can’t blame Bush for 9/11, he INHERITED it from Clinton. Islamic terrorism had been trending upward for years, and Clinton did nothing.
The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010 10:15:04 AM
Nothing? The first time he really tried to smack down Bin Laden with 75 cruise missiles into Afghanistan in 1998, including on Zhawar Kili al-Badr just hours after Bin Laden had been there, what happened? Republicans sprung to Bin Laden’s defense, beating up Clinton for his “Monica Missiles” so relentlessly Clinton never had the political capital to go directly after Bin Laden again.
Look it up. It is DOCUMENTED FACT that in 1998 Clinton attacked Bin Laden’s infrastructure in Afghanistan with cruise missiles. It is DOCUMENTED FACT that Republicans played partisan politics with that matter of national security for the sake of the “Monica Missiles” campaign slogan.
Can you refute these FACTS? Or supply any facts to support your opinion (since you assertion Clinton “did nothing” is clearly a lie based on the DOCUMENTED FACTS).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:24 am 10:24 am
I hear Shazam was a registered Democrat.
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Obama caught this guy.
Bush didn’t catch anyone associtaed with 9/11 in seven years.
Posted by: Michae | May 5, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Hahahaha, Progressive Momma, you look like me trying to defend Bush back in 2006. This Muslim paid for his one-way ticket to UAE with cash and had no luggage. How in hades do you miss that ? You messiah is trying to teach fly-over-country a lesson.
How high is the water Momma ? 6 feet and rising.
Posted by: Ratt | May 5, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Bush read childrens books while 3000 people died. He took appropriate action immediately afterwards. Obama continued to play golf after being briefed about the underwear bomber. Obama has the luxury of hindsight while Bush did not.
Posted by: bph320 | May 5, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
“Look it up. It is DOCUMENTED FACT that in 1998 Clinton attacked Bin Laden’s infrastructure in Afghanistan with cruise missiles.”
Clinton fired off a bunch of cruise missiles into an aspirin factory based on a handful of dirt taken ten months prior to the missile launch.
Those are facts.
Further, Clinton tipped off ISI and they in turn tipped off Bin Laden.
Clinton had ten opportunities to off Bin Laden and refused them all. He had a chance to take Bin Laden into custody from the Sudan in 1995 and refused that too.
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
This bunch WILL NOT take responsibility for anything. It’s “day one, day one, day one, blame BUSH, blame BUSH, blame BUSH! FOR ONCE, ADMIT YOU SCREWED UP. YOU HAVE USELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION, STARTING AT THE TOP, AND GOING DOWN TO NAPPY! SHE DID NOTHING AS GOVERNOR AND HAS SCREWED UP SEVERAL TIMES AS DHS. AMERICANS WILL HAVE TO BE KILLED BEFORE THIS BUNCH DOES ANYTHING. WHY THE BIG PROTECTIVE SHIELD AROUND ANYTHING MUSLIM????? PROFILE THEM!
Posted by: hadenuf | May 5, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010 10:15:04 AM
Like I said, why play the blame game. Sure the right thrives on it– well, that fear, greed and hippy/liberal/progressive punching– but why confuse them with an expectation of taking responsibility or openly admitting facts or admitting how things sort out if you use their own logic on them and theirs.
Bush *almost* kept Americans safe, and there were *almost* WMD’s after all– and to the Right its the whole almost thing that matters, yes? (as in he almost got away and he almost blew up New York; see my post @ 9:53:07 AM)
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am
OK, so the Airline dropped the ball – but what about the TSA? How did he get through security? Aren’t they the “government”?
Posted by: Head Master | May 5, 2010, 10:34 am 10:34 am
This Muslim paid for his one-way ticket to UAE with cash and had no luggage.
Ratt | May 5, 2010 10:28:07 AM
So it is now to be illegal to buy a one way ticket with cash? Or just if you’re dark skinned?
Although yeah, it’s a good thing that it is policy to require the manifest and also check the manifest rather than relying on airlines to do their reporting promptly.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:36 am 10:36 am
The statement that the flight did not leave the gate is not correct. The transcript of the communications between air traffic control and the flight follows:
The audio was found on airline industry blog Flying With Fish and confirmed by the Federal Aviation Administration.
The designation “heavy” means it’s a wide-body plane.
Male voice: “202, looks like you’re going to be number one, monitor tower on 123 point end at this time.”
Plane: “123 niner Emirates 202, goodnight”
Female voice: “I’m with 202 heavy Kennedy (inaudible) runway 22 right position. Actually, I have a message for you to go back to the gate immediately. So make the left turn when able.”
Plane: “22 202 turning …”
Female voice: “I am with 202 make the left turn on to echo left alpha back to the ramp. I don’t know exactly why, but you can call your company for the reason.”
Plane: “Will do that. Left onto echo and then on to alpha and back to the gate via gulf?”
Female voice: “Yes, whatever is convenient.”
Plane: “Emirates 202.”
Male voice: “Ground Emirates 202 heavy.”
Female voice: “Emirates 202 heavy, go ahead.”
Plane: “Yes ma’am we’re trying to figure out what’s going on here right now. But as far as we know I’d like to request you to just keep the flight plan open for now.”
Female voice: “Emirates 202 heavy, no problem. The flight plan’s good for another two hours.”
Posted by: Taxman | May 5, 2010, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Napolitano sits around, gets her briefing reports and talking points, and then goes out before the cameras and makes a fool of herself.
She simply oozes such confidence, capability and command that it makes you feel soooo safe…hah!
Posted by: JacqueBauer | May 5, 2010, 10:36 am 10:36 am
HOW MANY TIMES DID THIS####### GET ON A PLANE WHILE ON THE NO-FLY LIST? I HEARD HE HAD RECENTLY COME BACK FROM PAKISTAN. GUESS HE SWAM!
Posted by: hadenuf | May 5, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am
The statement that the flight did not leave the gate is not correct. The transcript of the communications between air traffic control and the flight follows:
Taxman | May 5, 2010 10:36:12 AM
And reports are that Shahzad had been REMOVED FROM THE FLIGHT PRIOR TO IT LEAVING THE GATE. It was called back to question a couple other guys on the flight (who were cleared and later released).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am
“Be open minded and think of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd told us 1 month before Freddie and Fannie failed”
I guess there’s never a bad time to slip in some totally out of context standard right-wing revised history featuring some perennially favorite bogeymen. So, when exactly did Freddie and Fannie fail?
I remember an ashen faced George Bush coming on the TV to tell us they were desperately worried about the safety of the economy. Why? Because 3 out of 5 of the largest investment banks in the country, Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros and Merryll Lynch were actually collapsing.
Posted by: Skip | May 5, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am
This bunch WILL NOT take responsibility for anything.
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The Republicans, and their echo chamber?
I couldn’t agree more.
Oh wait… you’re projecting the GOP’s incompetence onto the Dems.
How cute. In a pathetic sort of way.
Meanwhile, as Plum Line puts it, the war over Miranda rages: Senator John Cornyn argues, creatively, that the fact that the Times Square suspect is cooperating after being Mirandized doesn’t mean a thing. Why? Because he could just as easily not have cooperated.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am
The bottom line is: Do you feel safer now with Odumbo in charge?
It would be nice to have a real, grown-up man in the Oval Office….sigh. The current administration has made it (“Let me uh make this uh clear”) that they can do anything to the US and all Odumbo will do is apologize to them for ‘driving them to take such drastic man-caused action’.
Posted by: Al | May 5, 2010, 10:39 am 10:39 am
OK, so the Airline dropped the ball – but what about the TSA? How did he get through security? Aren’t they the “government”?
Head Master | May 5, 2010 10:34:13 AM
The TSA does not check names against the no fly list. The airlines do that, because private industry is so much more competent and thorough (don’t you remember all the wrangling over this under Bush?).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Oh, give me a break! “Bush reads childrens books while 3000 die in 9/11? What an asanine statement. Bush did far more to protect America than Clinton or Obama. All Clinton did was drop bombs on empty fields and an aspirin factory.
Posted by: intune | May 5, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am
The bottom line is: Do you feel safer now with Odumbo in charge?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Lee Hamilton’s one to talk. His 9/11 Commission was little more than a joke. If anyone dropped the ball, it was Lee Hamilton and the 9/11 Commission. You don’t have to be a fringe lunatic to ask what brought down World Trade Center 7.
Posted by: SarahTX2 | May 5, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am
TO MICHAE! THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION CAUGHT SEVERAL TERRORISTS, AND THE ONES WHO FLEW THE PLANES INTO THE BUILDINGS WERE DEAD. THE DEMOCRATS ARE IN THE ACT, NOW, OF TURNING THE ONES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION CAUGHT, LOOSE. THEY HAVE TURNED GITMO TERRORISTS LOOSE. THEY’D LIKE TO TURN KSM LOOSE TOO. THE PEOPLE WILL RISE UP IN ARMS BEFORE ALLOWING THEM TO DO SO. YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL. QUIT LISTENING TO THE MSM, AND DO SOME RESEARCH WITH AN OPEN MIND, PLEASE. BUSH SPENT THREE MINUTES IN THE CLASSROOM, FINISHING THE STORY HE WAS READING TO SCHOOL CHILDREN. HOW MANY DAYS DID IT TAKE OBAMA TO ACT RE: THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER, THE TEXAS SHOOTER, (HE STILL WON’T TURN OVER THE DOCUMENTS CONGRESS WANTS) AND NOW THIS NY ATTEMPTED BOMBER. OBAMA CAUGHT NO ONE. THE FBI AND THE NY POLICE DID! HOLDER WILL PROBABLY SEE TO IT, HE IS TURNED LOOSE.
Posted by: hadenuf | May 5, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Dr John,
You mean the asprin factory Clinton blew up killing innocent civilians? Come on man live in the moment not the past. What do we do now? Quit bickering and unite! This is the United States. At least it was. If we can’t be United maybee we should just settle this once and for all.
Posted by: Tea Lover | May 5, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am
The bottom line is: Do you feel safer now with Odumbo in charge?
Al | May 5, 2010 10:39:43 AM
Absolutely. The bottom line is that less than three days after a failed terrorist attack with zero casualties, the perpetrator is in custody.
I left NYC an hour before the attack (I had driven in, so I went home via the West Side highway rather than my more common trip cross town through Times Square to Metro North at Grand Central), and I actually feel a bit safer after seeing the competence and maturity that this was dealt with. The terrorist was quickly and efficiently caught and the US wasn’t whipped into a pathetic spasm of panic in the process.
Unlike past attempts, this idiot hasn’t led to billions of dollars of useless security theater.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am
“Look it up. It is DOCUMENTED FACT that in 1998 Clinton attacked Bin Laden’s infrastructure in Afghanistan with cruise missiles.”
Yeah, millions of dollars in cruise missles that hit…. nothing. Did not de4grade their capability in any way, shape, or form, nor killed any key personnel.
But other than that, it was a great success- if you define success by the legions of liberals who think it represented actual progress in the war on terror.
Posted by: EMT | May 5, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
ABC news is a puppet of the oval office. For christs sake they moved INTO the White House.
Posted by: Tea Lover | May 5, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
The current administration has made it (“Let me uh make this uh clear”) that they can do anything to the US and all Odumbo will do is apologize to them for ‘driving them to take such drastic man-caused action’.
Al | May 5, 2010 10:39:43 AM
Last I checked, Obama actually caught this guy. He won’t be retiring to Pakistan with a few new wives like Bin Laden.
And last I heard, Obama apologized the heads off those Somali pirates who took an American hostage again. (I have to go back to work, but before that comment brings out the “I heard from a friend that…” rebuttals, hit any fact check site you want for documentation of reality.)
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
The bottom line is: Do you feel safer now with Odumbo in charge?
Al | May 5, 2010 10:39:43 AM
Absolutely. The bottom line is that less than three days after a failed terrorist attack with zero casualties, the perpetrator is in custody.
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Well put, and good job on the fact checking.
For all of you who are confused, you can click over to NBC’s First Read blog: “Did the plane leave the gate? ”
NBC’s Mike Kosnar covers the arrest (which occurred before the plane left the gate), the decision to call the plane back and screen cargo and other passengers after it had left the gate without Shahzad on it, AND the no fly list.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am
jhw539-
You want facts? How about the FACT that Clinton was offered bin Laden on a silver platter by Somalia and said no! How about the FACT that bin Laden was inspired by Clinton’s cut-and-run weakness in Somalia? How about the FACT that after 8 years of Clinton incompetence, bin Laden assumed that Bush would respond to 9/11 in the same ineffectual manner that Clinton responded to terrorism. Man, was Osama wrong!! How about the FACT that in his final State of the Union address on January 27 2000, Clinton NEVER MENTIONED bin Laden, not even once!!!
The GOP NEVER defended bin Laden. Why must you lie? Speaker Gingrich said on August 20 1998 after Clinton “response” to the African Embassy bombings: “Well, I think the United States did exactly the right thing. We cannot allow a terrorist group to attack American embassies and do nothing. And I think we have to recognize that we are now committed to engaging this organization and breaking it apart and doing whatever we have to to suppress it, because we cannot afford to have people who think that they can kill Americans without any consequence. So this was the right thing to do.” Sen Paul Coverdale (R-GA) said on August 20 1998 : “Our nation has taken action against very deadly terrorists opposed to the most basic principles of American freedom. This action should serve as a reminder that no one is beyond the reach of American justice.”
Defending bin Laden was the job for the Dems, who demand civil rights, lawyers, Miranda rights, health care, Korans, ice cream, and down pillows for al-Qaeda. It is the Dems who think Limbaugh, Fox News, and Wal-Mart are the real enemy of the US.
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010, 10:55 am 10:55 am
“You want facts? How about the FACT that Clinton was offered bin Laden on a silver platter by Somalia and said no! How about the FACT that bin Laden was inspired by Clinton’s cut-and-run weakness in Somalia? How about the FACT that after 8 years of Clinton incompetence, bin Laden assumed that Bush would respond to 9/11 in the same ineffectual manner that Clinton responded to terrorism…
The GOP NEVER defended bin Laden….”
First off, those initial statements are not facts. They are opinions. You’re entitled to them, but I really can’t respect them since not only do you not support them with verifiable facts, you don’t even seem to understand the difference between fact (Clinton attacked Bin Laden terrorist training camps in 1998) with opinion.
As for your assertion that the GOP never protected Bin Laden, it is my opinion that they cared more about scoring partisan points than taking action against Bin Laden. That opinion is backed by the verifiable facts that Clinton DID directly attack Bin Laden in 1998, and the Republicans used that very attack for partisan gain by dismissing the attack as unnecessary, “Monica Missiles”.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 5, 2010, 11:01 am 11:01 am
What makes you think that Emirates is on the same side as the USA in the war on TERRORISTS?
Posted by: HB | May 5, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am
all the rule and law in the world doenst mean CRAP if lazy ass TSA agents and Airline personel dont do their JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again; not Obama’s fault for this.
Posted by: Jake | May 5, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am
I feel safe with Lou Costello in charge of Homeland Security, don’t you ?
Posted by: Ron | May 5, 2010, 11:10 am 11:10 am
i agree with you all 100%
Posted by: christopher corvin | May 5, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
The more important Clinton failure to act occured after the bombing of the USS COLE.No response of any kind was taken against Al Qaida despite a clear act of war.Obviously bin Laden and his confederates took notice of this in planning futher operations.
Posted by: Nephron | May 5, 2010, 11:15 am 11:15 am
i agree with that possesive mama
Posted by: christopher corvin | May 5, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Progressive mama,
Marcia Kramer at CBS News claims a secret Army Intelligence plane picked up his cell phone call. Flight 202 is told to return to the gate, and if they need an answer as to why, contact your airline. Trapper claims above that the plane never left the gate. The complaint filed in NY’s southern district court claims he had not used his Verizon wireless cell phone since April 28th.
I don’t know what the truth is, but I do know that this story is not being covered with the attention to detail that I expect from a professional media.
Posted by: kosmos395 | May 5, 2010, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Luck or Fine police work??? Probably a little of both, but let’s face it, the guy was an uneducated idiot who couldn’t have made it any easier if he’d left a trail of bread crumbs…It would appear that the airline security failed..The schmuck almost got away…Time to treat these individuals as war combatants and hand them over to the military any sane person would say this is a WAR declared on America’s soil and NOT an criminal act…
Posted by: Parallex View | May 5, 2010, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Posted by: Nephron | May 5, 2010 11:15:23 AM
Yeah, that’s true. Clinton opened the door for all of this.
Now Obama doesn’t want to make anyone angry else they try to bomb Times Square and bomb airplanes.
Hey, wait a minute…..
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Quick let’s let him out on bail so he can debrief his comrades on why the bomb failed. Oh Wait he does not have to do this, ABC news already has cued them in.
Posted by: Spinnaker | May 5, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
“Those that wish to do us harm”. Why can’t they just say “terrorists”? Why sugar coat it? It is what it is. Stop trying so hard to not offend terrorists…weenies.
Posted by: lolbama | May 5, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Bad economy? Blame Wall Street. Oil spill? Blame BP. Terrorist attack? Blame the airline.
It’s weird how these things were all blamed on the president when Bush was in office and Obama was running for the White House.
Posted by: Carl | May 5, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Please explain to me why the list was not updated immediately. Given the facts, one would think the feds would tell the airlines to do this ASAP. Somethings not right here….please do some digging Jake.
Posted by: Moe7651 | May 5, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
jhw539-
I have provided facts. Gingrich did in fact say what I attributed to him. bin Laden did in fact profess the beliefs I attributed to him. Clinton WAS offered bin Laden by Somalia. Are you saying that a quote of a Republican saying “Monica Missle” is a fact, but a quote of Gingrich is not a fact? I would argue that it is you and not I that needs to be educated as to what a fact is.
You probably won’t buy this either, but here’s another quote from Gingrich in response to the “Wag the Dog” comparisons raised by many Americans: “Anyone who saw the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, anyone who saw the coffins come home, would not ask such a question.”
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
On another note, from the WaPo:
“The Interior Department exempted BP’s calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.”
Exempted BP?
Gee, who got the most campaign money from BP?
That would be BO!
And in the year of the lobbyist,
“POLITICO (Washington) – While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.”
At least now we know why BP was made exempt from the study.
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Well I guess the TSA was too busy checking out grandma, then “Profiling”. What is wrong with profiling? Since when has that been considered so evil?
Posted by: Plane Jane | May 5, 2010, 11:30 am 11:30 am
jwh539-
And prove to me that the term “Monica Missile” refers to the cruise missiles launched. To me, the term “Monica Missile” has an entirely different meaning.
Posted by: The Whole Truth | May 5, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
What happened to picking up the phone?
Posted by: jimbo | May 5, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Has anyone read “The Manchurian President” yet?
I will read it, but I already know the story.
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Blowback! If you chickenhawks who talk tough from your keyboard, had a nation (the US) occupying your land, killing your husbands, brothers, mothers and fathers on a daily or hourly basis, would you have the ##### to use whatever means possible to retaliate? In your cases, unless typing them to death was an option, I doubt it. The US is an empire, killing and maiming its way to continued world dominance. No, I am not an Muslim or a Democrat.
Posted by: Skip | May 5, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
The Plane was able to Leave the gate and was taxing to the runway when It was recalled. The plane was givin its postion in line for take off.
Check your Facts – CBP failed by letting the plane push off from the gate.
This is what goes for “Journalism” now a days?!
Posted by: Vindex | May 5, 2010, 11:36 am 11:36 am
This is total BS. They, The Hierarchy Enslaving You, wants you to think it’s all just incompetence and outdated methods rather than the direct result of their planned False Flag operations just like the underwear bomber, shoe bomber and now more warnings to prepare you for the next staged event. Over half of the 9/11 commission has said it was a total sham and that the government lied and hid evidence. Anyone that believes any of the crap they put out must be on more medication than those making this stuff up.
Posted by: Aunt Bee | May 5, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
The Obumbler admin dropped the ball when appointing Napolitano, Holder, Salazer, etc. What a bunch of amateurs attempting to run this country. They are running it right into ruin and the brain dead sycophants can’t see beyond their party noses. I hope we survive.
Posted by: RufusVonDufus | May 5, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
How typical of Barry to blame everyone but himself. He and his administration have been down playing the muslim terrorist threat from day one and we are reaping what he sowed. We have been extremely lucky with the underwear bomber and Times Square bomber. Next time we may not be so lucky.
It’s time for Barry to take of the rose colored lib glasses and treat this for what it is – a war against radical islam.
Posted by: Joe S | May 5, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
This regime has repeatedly demonstrated that it is pathologically incapable of admitting error or fault of any kind. Every day is devoted to burnishing the image of their perfection.
Posted by: Wanderer0101 | May 5, 2010, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Well at least the cracker jack TSA did not let him bring nail clippers or tweezers onboard the aircraft
Posted by: White Sox fan | May 5, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Well I guess the TSA was too busy checking out grandma, then “Profiling”.
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Was that just before the evil Democrat sent grandma to the death panels?
Oooh scary!
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Posted by: drjohn | May 5, 2010 11:28:30 AM
On another thread here, one actually related to your topic, a friend of mine quoted another article worth reading about how corrupt the Interior Dept and the MMS under Bush. Its called Forget Offshore Drilling Until We Get Some Answers, by William Galston and posted at TNR and starts, After the Bush administration took office, the MMS became a cesspool of corruption and conflicts of interest.
What I found interesting in the WaPo article you mention is this: “”The agency’s oversight role has devolved to little more than rubber-stamping British Petroleum’s self-serving drilling plans.”
To me it relates to the problems with self-regulation and rubber stamping Big Biz/ Big Oil which is all part of the Right’s rhetoric and agenda.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 11:51 am 11:51 am
lolbama – Why not call them terrorists? Simple – if we do not call them terrorists then we can continue to say there have been no terrorist efforts or attacks under Nobama’s (lack of) leadership. If you don’t got no terrorists, you cannot have any terrorist events, right?
Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am
The article says the plane never left the gate but the various MSM’s have been playing the audio of the tower telling the plane to turn around and come back to the gate.
It appears ABC is inaccurately reporting the news… AGAIN.
Posted by: Jerry | May 5, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
I don’t know what the truth is, but I do know that this story is not being covered with the attention to detail that I expect from a professional media.
Posted by: kosmos395 | May 5, 2010 11:17:49 AM
Fair enough– though her report has been fact checked by others now, yes?
As for your comment about the media, my question is what stories that actually matter are, and what are we going to do about it since much our press is failing miserably on stories that are important. Its sad.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Michae,there are a bunch of inmates at Gitmo and at the maximum security facility in Colorado that would disagree with you.
Posted by: Nephron | May 5, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Well, this is the fourth terrorist incident during Oblunder’s tenure.
And still…. he can barely bring himself to say the word terrorist.
Im glad you libs are all here defending him. I bet you wouldnt be doing it had that bomb gone off – killing hundreds of people.
But that’s how libs are.
They don’t learn any lessons until someone dais because over their limp wristed policies.
Posted by: dannyvice | May 5, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Why not call them terrorists?
Posted by: Bill | May 5, 2010 11:56:17 AM
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This man was called a terrorist by the Attorney General and the Press Secretary. Repeatedly.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Just remember, “To err is human, but to lay it on someone else is cool!”
Posted by: Jasonn | May 5, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Bush caught a bunch of Iraqi taxi drivers and escorted
Saudi princes home after 9/11 in private planes.
Obama caught a terrorist.
Posted by: Michae | May 5, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I’m so glad to see the president doing the presidential thing…. blaming others. That really takes a lot of talent. Everybody knows that problems get solved when blame is attributed.
Posted by: Nico | May 5, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
“Obama caught this guy.
Bush didn’t catch anyone associtaed with 9/11 in seven years.”
First, it’s kind of difficult to capture someone who has been turned into ash from crashing a plane. This guy is still alive so he’s actually catchable.
Second, have you heard of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? He’s the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. He was captured on on March 1, 2003 (that’s less than 7 years after 9/11).
Posted by: Reason is a lost art | May 5, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Typical of this nitwit Community Organizer. Obama could’nt run a hotdog stand. Your a complete failure Obama, Now Go Away.
Posted by: Tim | May 5, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
I believe the words fault and blame should be removed from the language. That way when an emergency occurs everyone could concentrate on fixing things and wait until the problem is corrected to begin searching for cause(s). All this political finger pointing does is delay a solution.
Posted by: ntexgramps | May 5, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
“Currently, airlines are required to re-check the list within 24 hours, a Department of Homeland Security official tells ABC News. Under the new measure, airline officials will be required to check within 2 hours of being electronically notified of a special circumstance expedited No Fly name – which is what happened Monday.”
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Oh those silly Democrats – they were boring enough to go ahead and fix the problem within a day. What incompetence!
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
What? So we’re doing a bangup job on those entering? Is he for real? 20-40 million snuck in with most since 9/11 and he thinks its ONLY those leaving we have issue with? What system s he talking about? What a pile of junk the 9/11 Commission of Hacks was – talk about ‘jobs saved’ – there’s your definition!
Posted by: RichinNH | May 5, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I bet you wouldnt be doing it had that bomb gone off -
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That’s a pretty big if, isn’t it?
Perhaps you all wouldn’t be quite so nutty had the 9/11 attacks not been as successful and devastating as they were … but we’ll never know. See how that works out?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Skip – Please post where the US has ever taken over or acquired a country. Your grasp of history is poor.
Posted by: Fly navy | May 5, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
From DAY ONE, I knew the Obama administration was a mess. He pointed fingers every which way but at himself from DAY ONE. I knew from DAY ONE of the Times Square bombing attempt that Janet Napolitano’s incompetence would shine through. From DAY ONE of the oil spill fiasco I kept saying, “Where’s the Obama administration?” Finally after ten days of doing nothing, they say they’ve been there since DAY ONE.
Posted by: astralweeks | May 5, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
doesnt the TSA screen you before you get to your planes departure gate? so how is its Emirates Airlines that Dropped the Ball?
Posted by: XO | May 5, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
The only reason the plot didn’t succeed (like the Christmas Detroit plot) was because the explosive was faulty.
This was another massive intelligence failure..the US govt is doing not better than it was on 9/11, investigating the crime after the fact.
We are not getting our money’s worth for the defense of this country.
Posted by: J House | May 5, 2010, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Having worked in the airline industry for several years, I would say Emirates and airport security both share blame here. Given that Mr Shahzad bought a ticket at the last minute, the airline ticketing system should have automatically flagged him for a secondary search. The check-in agent should have seen it, and that flag would have been on his boarding pass for security control to see.
The question I have is — did he face a secondary search?
Posted by: Tony | May 5, 2010, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Am I banned? My posts won’t appear.
Posted by: Aunt Bee | May 5, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Am I the only one who wonders why the TSA, not just the airlines, is not being held responsible for failing to screen out the main suspect sought in a huge dragnet based on the updated no-fly list? Doesn’t everyone have to pass through TSA scrunity and show their passports to reach the gate? If those TSA officers do not have the no-fly list at all, why not? And in this case, if the “officials” talking to reporters knew that this or any other airline might not “refresh” the no-fly list immediately, did no one think to take some other, special action with respect to NY region airports through which a suspect being sought in NY might pass? Like alerting TSA directly to his name, passport number, etc.?
Posted by: John Burke | May 5, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
like all democrats it is blame the other guy. we just cant be at fault. why doesnt abc do a story on actually what happened besides a one line statement. very strange they would send a swat team out immediatley. like all maritime accidents the coast guard is pretty well equiped to handle a spill. at least supposedly in the gulf with platforms all over the coast of texas and louisiana! very strange a accident of this magnitude would occur right after the teleprompter allows drilling? stranger and stranger!
Posted by: carlb | May 5, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Finally after ten days of doing nothing, they say they’ve been there since DAY ONE.
Posted by: astralweeks | May 5, 2010 12:08:58 PM
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Disappointed someone co-opting the name of the BRILLIANT Van Morrison album would be so DIM politically.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Second, have you heard of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? He’s the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. He was captured on on March 1, 2003 (that’s less than 7 years after 9/11).
Posted by: Reason is a lost art | May 5, 2010 12:04:00 PM
Of course we’ve all heard of him and we all remember President Bush admitting on Fox News that he personally authorized the torture of him.
The President said he personally asked “what tools” were available to use on him, and sought legal approval for waterboarding him…. and he defended torture and his decision, falsely alleging it saved American lives — despite interrogators’ claims to the contrary:”a former Pentagon intelligence analyst told Vanity Fair that “K.S.M. produced no actionable intelligence“; another former CIA official, who read all the reports from KSM’s interrogation, said, “90 percent of it was [tfbs](Ali Frick, Think Progress]
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
progressive mama. your man the teleprompter was the biggest recevier of campaign contributions the last 12 years from bp. also he was the second biggest reciever of money from the fannies the cause of the bank failures. maybe you should actually study the facts before blogging a statement! their is alot of shannagins goingon in both parties but the media only reports on republicans very rarely and just in passing on democrats. that why most thinkers with a brain watch fox!
Posted by: carlb | May 5, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
that why most thinkers with a brain watch fox!
Posted by: carlb | May 5, 2010 12:18:33 PM
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Most thinkers with a brain watch a variety of media so what they receive is not filtering exclusively through one political viewpoint.
The sheep watch only one.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Tim wrote, “Typical of this nitwit Community Organizer. Obama could’nt run a hotdog stand. Your a complete failure Obama, Now Go Away.”
Actually Tim I think it is more like this…”[Obama] couldn’t sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic.”
BTW, that quote is from Dan Rather a liberal talking head.
Posted by: Rudderfish | May 5, 2010, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
You all are missing the point… Next the Majik Joker will link Dubai Airlines with Bush and Halliburton and BLAME THEM ALL…His Admin ‘s Fault for Ineptness??? NEVER!
Posted by: Len | May 5, 2010, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Might it be that the Majik Joker needs some growing up before being able to look in the mirror point a finger and Laugh at his Ineptness loking back at him???
Posted by: Len | May 5, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
“Currently, airlines are required to re-check the list within 24 hours, a Department of Homeland Security official tells ABC News. Under the new measure, airline officials will be required to check within 2 hours of being electronically notified of a special circumstance expedited No Fly name – which is what happened Monday.”
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Oh those silly Democrats – they were boring enough to go ahead and fix the problem within a day. What incompetence!
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Posted by: carlb | May 5, 2010 12:18:33 PM
Maybe you should ask if I’m a democrat before you make a complete idiot out of yourself. lol.
As for the teleprompter thing, do you all ever get tired of cliched and overused buzzwords?
I get that you’re all afraid of Obama and want to dismiss his intelligence in any way you think will stick, but c’mon. You’re stuck on repeat.
Anyway,… I don’t think Democrats are saints. I don’t consider myself a Democrat, though I did vote for Obama and remain 100% certain he was a better choice than McFlip Flop Crabapple and the willfully ignorant prayer shield babe he chose for his VP candidate.
And it is absolutely true that I think the GOP is backwards,greedy, fearful, shady, unable to solve problems and addicted to both race baiting and pandering to the hopelessly stupid and paranoid– and therefore, worse. And I’m proud I’ve never voted for one.
They have no credibility on any issue of import.
Are you going to pretend Republicans aren’t wholly owned subsidiaries of special interests and they’ve ever done anything worthwhile?
Let me watch as you come up short on the intellectual honesty front. It won’t surprise. Of course, you can use being a Faux News devotee as your lame excuse.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
It’s STILL George Bush’s fault! Don’t you people get it? Take two Darvons and repeat after me: “It’s never Obama’s fault. It’s never Obama’s fault.”
Posted by: Ground Control | May 5, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Obama is not a smart person. He is a lucky person. He has been carried his entire life, never worked an actual job in his life, had more opportunities than he deserved and now he’s a petulant bumblefek whose true colors are showing. Thin skinned, petty and inept. His loyal radical followers are too stupid to know just how empty this suit is…pity.
Posted by: mjishernameo | May 5, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
This system failed to be proactive in every respect. They will all spend a lot of time and energy to make us think the system worked because we got the guy and no one was hurt (both in NY and Detroit). But the fact is that the terrorist succeeded. He was just a lousy bomb maker. No agency, politician or anybody else has ANYTHING to be proud of here. But for this guy’s ineptitude a bunch of people would be dead right now and all these people would would be pointing frantic fingers anywhere but at themselves. Idiots
Posted by: Pete | May 5, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
The bomber admitted that he got 5 months of bomb making training in Pakistan.
How much counter-terrorist training has Janet Napolitano ever had?
Posted by: Mike M | May 5, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Lee Hamilton has some nerve – talk about dropping the ball – the 911 commission was white wash sham.
Posted by: URwhatiswrong | May 5, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
progressive mama —- Waterboarding torture? I guess if your annointed one deems it, it has to be true. This guy was just going to murder hundreds in Times Square and you bich about pouring a little water up a known terrorists nose (KSM)? If 90% of the info we got was useless, what was the other 10%? How do you know just because some ex-agent says he read it that he actually did? And Pelosi had no idea we were waterboarding? Yeah right.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
The terrorist attacks of the underwear bomber and the more recent SUV bomber failed – not because we were competent, but because they were incompetent. We can’t keep getting lucky. At some point, the incompetence of this administration is going to be on full display. What then? Blame Bush?
As for progressive mama, you bet your bottom dollar I’m afraid of Obama. Not for his intelligence, rumors of which are completely unsubstantiated, but because of what his inexperience and ineptitude, not to mention his leftist leanings, are doing to this country.
He ought to title his next memoir: “Clueless in D.C.”.
Posted by: Roxanna | May 5, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
The terrorist attacks of the underwear bomber and the more recent SUV bomber failed – not because we were competent, but because they were incompetent.
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That would mean the competent terrorists have been screened and have not been able to penetrate our Homeland Security – which is good news.
Again, if you think Homeland Security can stop everything – I think you’re fooling yourself.
Posted by: tierra | May 5, 2010, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Waterboarding is a Blessing to the terrorists. An Arab friend of mine told me they consider it re hydration or sinus cleansing. In Arab nations they use a technique Sand boarding.
Posted by: Mike | May 5, 2010, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Progressive Momma…not to be insulting but are you off your meds today?
Your comments are pure pap from DailyKOS which lends to the thought that the only reason your here is you’re paid to be a shill for the bozo in office.
Maybe you should apply for Gibbs job, he cannot hide all the lies and filth coming from this administration.
Posted by: KennyP | May 5, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
An Arab friend of mine told me that waterboarding is a Blessing to the terrorists. They consider it re hydration or sinus cleansing. In Arab countries they sand board or cut their stinking heads off.
Posted by: Mike | May 5, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
It’s amazing that this administration will not take responsibility for anything. Next they will start blaming Bush for the car bomb attempt now that news has gotten out the terrorist didn’t like Bush……Funny thing about that is that all terrorists didn’t like Bush because they knew he wouldn’t let up on them like this president has…..read: Bomber Adds to Obama’s trouble….at….
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Posted by: cooperscopy | May 5, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
My question is why was this person already not on the do not fly list? Why all of a sudden, at a last minute, did his name appear? I would think only after investigation spotlighted this person did they put his name on the list and hence caught him trying to escape or got lucky. I saw more in print about him, the bomber, hating Bush rather than the bomber being Muslim. Why is that? Could it be that we don’t want it to look bad on the current administration who seems not to want to hurt any muslim’s feelings so now are we neutering the news reporting about each incident. Pretty soon these terrorist will stop using the name allai acbar or whatever it is they say right before their sacrifice in their attack and start saying Barak Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Gary K | May 5, 2010, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Funny that the White House doesn’t mention he was also under surveillance and “shook his tail” making it to the airport. I think a few people dropped the ball here myself…
Posted by: John Q. | May 5, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Are you kidding me? Hey, Mr Obama. You are the President….YOU are in charge of keeping this country secure and you want “to pass the buck” and blame an Arab owned airlines for a lack of security at a US Airport? PATHETIC!
Posted by: IndyJim | May 5, 2010, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
The reason why there have been few attempts until recently is the same reason why those attempts have been incompetent.The thousands of trained,motivated jihadists that made up the core of Al Qaida are dead.They went to kill Americans in the easiest way-they went to Iraq.The competent ones either blew themselves up or were killed by coalition forces.Iraq was the graveyard of operational Al Qaida.It was similar to the attrition of the Japanese Naval Air Force in the Solomons in World War II-once the “crack-man” forces are gone the quality of the remaining forces declines dramatically.That why Al Qaida has had to rely more on “home-grown” terrorists in Britan and the U.S.
Posted by: Nephron | May 5, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Maybe the airline dropped the ball but it appears the administration never had it.
Posted by: Bob Forsberg | May 5, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
GROUND CONTROL: you are a drone, a mindless wonder.
Republicans are owned by special interests??! HAHAHA. Have you checked the records of Chris Dodd, Chuck Shumer, Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, etc? Chuck Shumer is a fan of Goldman Sacks’ money, so is obama.
If you still support obama than you are a moron.
The GOP is addicted to race?? Really??! Look at the record books you half-whit. The Democrats are OBSESSED with race and race-baiting. That’s all they talk about. Al Not-so-Sharpton, Jesse Jerkson and his anger laiden incompetent son, jr.
You miss the point about Constitutional Conservatives, democrats can propose 1,000 bills a day, but not every issue needs a bill, needs the US Government to resolve an issue. Every hear of personal accountability?
Of course not, you’re too busy getting your news from MSLSD and the other 4 people that watch that channel.
I can see November from my apartment.
Posted by: MJ | May 5, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Obama’s fault? You mean for catching him? He’s in custody, you morons!!
Posted by: mauibucky | May 5, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
“”"”"”He’s in custody, you morons!!”"”
Posted by: mauibucky
Moron’s??? How childishly disrespectful. I would go out on a limb and say I think all of us are happy he was caught. I have serious issues with Obama and Napoletano patting all the backs and sending out a message of security when the only thing that saved hundreds of deaths was incompetence.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
If the plane never left the gate then please explain this radio conversation with the captain.
Male voice: “202, looks like you’re going to be number one, monitor tower on 123 point end at this time.”
Plane: “123 niner Emirates 202, goodnight”
Female voice: “I’m with 202 heavy Kennedy (inaudible) runway 22 right position. Actually, I have a message for you to go back to the gate immediately. So make the left turn when able.”
Plane: “22 202 turning …”
Female voice: “I am with 202 make the left turn on to echo left alpha back to the ramp. I don’t know exactly why, but you can call your company for the reason.”
Plane: “Will do that. Left onto echo and then on to alpha and back to the gate via gulf?”
Female voice: “Yes, whatever is convenient.”
Posted by: Drudge | May 5, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Lee Hamilton needs to stop spewing his rightwinger racist tea-klanner hate.
Posted by: Code Pink | May 5, 2010, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Republicans are owned by special interests??!
Posted by: MJ
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What does it take to buy a Democrat House, Senate and WH? BP -alone- spent almost $16 million last year lobbying Washington. Republicans sure as hell weren’t able to give them anything!
How many “special interests” lobby Washington? BP is only one corporation.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
rightwinger racist tea-klanner hate.
Posted by: Code Pink
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How much BP and Goldman Sachs campaign money did Obama spend getting elected?
ROFLMFAO!
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
How much BP and Goldman Sachs campaign money did Obama spend getting elected?
ROFLMFAO!
Posted by: smartlillena
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You know, that filthy, Wall St, Big Oil, “special interest” money!
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
That’s not the homeland security secretary?? That’s a man baby!!!!
Posted by: ras | May 5, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
I have a question. They say the airline dropped the ball and that is true. But didn’t the TSA also drop the ball since they are responcible for the security that leads up to the aircraft. You would think that with him being on a no fly list, they would have flagged him. Just was pondering that. Everyone seems to point fingers at everyone when the system fails even though there is plenty of blame to go around.
Posted by: Chris | May 5, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Obama’s scapegoat du jour. *yawn* Doesn’t even phase us anymore, does it?
Posted by: NDSue | May 5, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Waterboarding torture? I guess if your annointed one deems it, it has to be true. This guy was just going to murder hundreds in Times Square and you bich about pouring a little water up a known terrorists nose (KSM)? If 90% of the info we got was useless, what was the other 10%? How do you know just because some ex-agent says he read it that he actually did? And Pelosi had no idea we were waterboarding? Yeah right.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010 1:04:17 PM
lfrichar,
the what if and almost game creates wimps. You wanna play it, be my guest. I already think the right is fear-based; their whole ideology derives from fear. As for the fearmongering about Shadhak, yeah, he *almost* blew up Times Square right? And he *almost* didn’t get caught. And you were almost a billionaire, I suppose, or the lead singer in a world famous rock band.
Fact remains he’s in custody and no bomb exploded. And I highly doubt you’re a billionaire or the lead singer in a successful rock band. lol.
Waterboarding is torture and that you or others of your political persuasion support it and downplay it simply reiterates in my mind that the right is largely composed of bought and shady– or gullible and easily duped– pro-torture neocons whose opinion means nada (and who incidentally don’t believe in small government or one fourth the rote rhetoric they mouth.)
The bit about the anointed one just makes me laugh. Its the Right that anoints people and believes in blind loyalty. But thanks for repeating cliches– so fresh, so original!
In regards to the agent, I do take the agent’s comments seriously, partially because his comments have been backed up by others I respect, and also because I have several extended family members in the military, know several cops and a few agents– INS, DEA, FBI, Secret Service– and we’ve talked interrogations, torture, war at length. I also find Petraeus and others of his ilk—and American priniciples– more seriously than, say, you and the other morons who apologize for folks like Cheney and Bush. lol.
Let me guess… you love 24 and you’re going to claim that you have more ties to the military than my family. Maybe you’ll even claim you’re military, right? The blindly loyal type.
Predictable, but the fact remains I despise the Right because I’m well, well versed in what they represent. And I just can’t stand chickenhearts, especially those who chest thump a lot to cover up their lack of principle, heart and true courage.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
My understanding is they knew he was on the plane but stretched it to the end in case he made a phone call
Posted by: Joseph F | May 5, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
They just showed waterboarding on 24 this past week. It certainly looked like it would cause you to panic, but torture…it is not. You are not going to be hurt in any way, or in any pain. You’ll just feel uncomfortable…and we know the Left hates it when Terrorists are made to feel uncomfortable! even if the info would save lives the Left would rather people be killed that make a Terrorist uncomfortable!
Posted by: John | May 5, 2010, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Posted by: Drudge | May 5, 2010 1:59:49 PM
According to NBC:
“There has been some confusion over the actual arrest of Faisal Shahzad last night at JFK and whether the plane left the gate as well as how he was allowed on the plane in the first place.
This is how a law enforcement official explained it to NBC News in the last hour:
Shahzad boarded the plane and the door was closed, but the plane never left the gate, it never moved.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials opened the door back up and boarded the plane, removing Shahzad.
The plane was then cleared to leave the gate and did so. Moments later, officials thought better of it and decided they needed to rescreen passengers and cargo and brought the plane back.
In other words, the plane never actually left the gate with Shahzad on it.”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
progressive mama — Wow, well I am not a right winger nor a GOPer. Yes I am retired military and I have several nephews still in. One just returned from Afghanistan and another returned from Iraq last year in a black bag. I didn’t vote for Bush nor do I apologize for him, but all the BS talk about Bush and “war crimes” is exactly that, BS. Bush did what he could to protect us and I do believe Obama is too, but when it comes to those you appoint to higher up positions, I believe Napoletano needs to go. “Almost” blowing up Times Square and a car bomb smoking because they used the wrong fertilizer are 2 different things. There were several flags in this guys background that went unchecked. Most of your posts lean so far one way I usually never finish reading them. Do you have any list that includes the mistakes Obama has made or is he just doing a dandy job to this point?
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
progressive mama —– Your weakness is believing everything some “official” tells you. But at least it got them on TV huh?
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
John —- I was waterboarded in the USAF SERE training. It scares the hell out of you, but it is nothing when you watch a terrorists cut the head off an American with a bowie knife. They only recently called it waterboarding and now many posters seem to have mastered some fact that it is torture. I have noticed they say nothing of Pelosi’s lies when she said she was at a meeting about it, but she didn’t know we actually used it and the media gave her a complete pass on it. You lie Pelosi.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
progressive mama, if your husband spun you a yarn like that how fast would you tell him to pack his clothes and hit the trail?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Most of your posts lean so far one way I usually never finish reading them.
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I’m absolutely more to the left than the right, proudly so– though I do have a pragmatic streak and realize both what is possible and practical as well as what is unlikely– and I do absolutely despise the GOP, both the rhetoric and the institution– so you’re not reading my posts makes sense as you come across as being firmly in common cause with them regardless of how you self-identify. Its obvious I’m not here to join in common cause with those I find ridiculous, and I’m not particularly concerned with how you view my posts. Yawn, ya know. I register my complaints with bought and sold Dems elsewhere, and email and phone my reps and senators on a regular basis.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
It’s BUSH’s FAULT!!!!
Posted by: Duke | May 5, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
“”"”so you’re not reading my posts makes sense as you come across as being firmly in common cause with them regardless of how you self-identify. “”"
Posted by: progressive mama
Wow, something I hear from the left all the time. If your not in agreeance, you must be a righty or GOP. I think both sides have good ideas but our crappy 2 party system will never pull them together. I did like your “bought and paid for” blurp.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Your weakness is believing everything some “official” tells you. But at least it got them on TV huh?
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010 2:49:22 PM
“Drudge” asked for a possible explanation. I gave him one with the source.
I’ve also said elsewhere that our press stinks. I don’t believe any one source.
But I do agree I’m not a fraidy cat conspiracy theorist. The dude is in custody; it’s likely he’s giving up information, and people are working on smoothing out the flaws in the system.
The problem with many of you– one of many weaknesses, but certainly a weakness– is that you hang black crepe paper around the room and wonder why those who don’t give in to handwringing at the sight of it aren’t quite as spooked as you all. Then you get all ticked off about it, and try to feel better about yourselves by projecting your own tendencies onto us.
lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Wow, something I hear from the left all the time. If your not in agreeance, you must be a righty or GOP. I think both sides have good ideas but our crappy 2 party system will never pull them together. I did like your “bought and paid for” blurp.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010 3:14:52 PM
Fair assessment of how I put it. How about in common cause with those I disagree with– both Dem and Republican– on torture, homeland security and so on– likely war, terrorism, all that. While Obama is more moderate and less embarrassing than Bush in many ways; overall, they’re not that far apart and neither are establishment GOP and Dem.
I find the accusations from the Right toward Obama pretty ridiculous. Yeah, wooo, get up in arms, we’ve moved three centimeters in a different direction– how utterly earth shattering!!!
I apologize if you’re not joining THAT silly chorus. You appeared to be to me.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
progressive mama —- Conspiracy theorists? Sure… Whle this guy is talking and hopefully helping our agencies (it appears they need help), would you not agree we should have at least “monitored” some of this guys activities? Red flags are 1st, being from Pakistan with a high ranking military father. 2nd, visits to Pakistan and Saudi before he became a student in the US. Subsequent 4 month visit while living 12000 miles from his family. Our agencies say Al Qaeda is lloking for young impressionable fighters and this guy would be a prime candidate. Lastly, he lost his job, foreclosed and became an American all in one month. That’s when he returned to Pakistan for 4 months. It’s amazing to me he wasn’t even on our radar at all.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
if your husband spun you a yarn like that how fast would you tell him to pack his clothes and hit the trail?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010 3:00:15 PM
Still piping in with silly little comments about my posts, huh, but never anything worth discussing…
My husband was a Ross Perot supporter when I met him, and he sent Ron Paul money. I hear yarns all the time.
As for the rest, he knows the same people I do, more or less, some better than I do, some not as well– and though he originally liked Bush, he was pretty horrified by the dude’s policies, so, no, I wouldn’t send him packing.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
progressive mama —- My major problem with Obama is I knew he couldn’t deliver what he promised (but the majority of Americans do not follow politics and vote blindly). We haven’t reformed health care, immigration, or anything else, but we have spent alot of money. Pelosi and Reid have tainted Obama with their antics too. They really need to go.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Bumbling idiots, from top down, “leading” the way and then pointing fingers when their farce sees the light of day. It’s BP’s fault even though I took their campaign money; It’s
Emirates Airlines fault he got on the plane even though government security agencies passed him through. Sounds like the Clintons when Billy’s exploits were explained by Hilly as a vast right wing conspiracy having sex with the intern. Hollywood comedy writers couldn’t come up with a script like this.
Posted by: Thomas | May 5, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
The director of homeland security is a complete dunce. This woman is so far out of her element it is frightening. I just hope the president has the foresight to replace her before she really puts our country in danger.
Posted by: Aaron | May 5, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Watched the press conference and it would be a wonder if the AG doesn’t have a sore arm from patting himself (and his agencies) on the back. A ‘common’ street vendor and a relatively ‘unimportant minor official saved the bacon this time. The government didn’t do squat to prevent this incident or discover that he was on the flight and, yet, they’re jumping up and down screaming, “Look at me, Mommy, look at me!”
Posted by: pepina | May 5, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
The fact remains, a truck loaded with explosives got into Manhattan, Faisal was able to get on the plane. Failure again with this administration. Fortunately there were no fatalities. Great job by the FBI and local authorities.
Posted by: Anton | May 5, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Let me be clear. It’s never my fault. The buck does not, in fact, stop here. But let me be clear. If something good happens, then it is definetly because of me.
-B.O.
Posted by: TK | May 5, 2010, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Our agencies say Al Qaeda is lloking for young impressionable fighters and this guy would be a prime candidate. Lastly, he lost his job, foreclosed and became an American all in one month. That’s when he returned to Pakistan for 4 months. It’s amazing to me he wasn’t even on our radar at all.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010 3:31:08 PM
I agree with all this. What I disagree with are the claims that its worse now because of Obama, that it was better under Bush… and so on. That we shouldn’t have miranda-ized him. That voting Republican is somehow going to make us safer.
And I can’t stand the kooky panic. Questions should be asked. Policies should be updated and changed. If heads need to roll in terms of positions held, fine, though that isn’t obvious to me. My main issue is this: folks, we’re at war. This is part of it. Quit pretending that anybody can keep us 100% safe, or that everything will ever run 100% smoothly, while out of the other side of our mouths many Americans are warmongering.
I don’t like war, but since we’re at war, I think its rather airheaded to pretend there won’t be incidents or that we’re going to be 100% safe.
And, seriously, let’s not pretend this guy was all that competent, and blow up his success by engaging in public drama and pushing toward shredding our constitution (here’ I’m thinking of the Republican candidate for President in ’08, not you.)
In regard to conspiracy theorists I was conflating a couple things, because on another site I’m arguing with an oil spill conspiracy theorist type. Sorry for the confusion as you’ve given no indication you’re into all that. The rhetoric thrown at me about how I’m a liberal kool aid drinker who believes officials because blah, blah, blah sounded similar so I threw ya together.
Often the fear, doom and gloom and tendency toward buying into conspiracy theories go hand in hand, but not always so I’ll do my best not to stereotype ya if I’m not stereotyped by you.
Once I’m stereotyped though, I’m not too worried about hurt sensibilities on the other side. Just the way I’m built.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
One of the authors of this article, Jake Tapper, is a HACK! He is the apparent replacement for George Stephanopolous on This Week and this past Sunday’s round-table guests included none other than the great wizard of the news, Bill Maher, LMAO! Bill Maher on a SERIOUS News Show, gimme a break, next they’ll Leno, O’Brien or maybe Tina fey as Sarah Palin. Anything these left wing “news” phonies put out is garbage, not fit to read!
Posted by: Blake Martin | May 5, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
My bet is that if we stopped invading middle eastern countries and stopped sending $3 billion a year to Israel in support of them being the neighborhood terrorist. We would not be the target of silliness.
Posted by: bob lidd | May 5, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
One again ABC “news” is shilling and covering for this fraud of a president. We’ve been lucky twice . Let’s see what happens the next time. If I or anyone in my family gets hurt in an attack I will hold OBAMA and the moron in charge of Homeland Security PERSONALLY responsible.I can see a MAJOR class action suit against them. The Democrats need to be ALL voted out in NOV amd adults need to be put in charge of this country again.
Posted by: Omstrat | May 5, 2010, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Yes Duke everything is George Bush’s fault. Trust me I don’t think he was that great of a president, but come on are you really so narrow minded that you blame EVERYTHING on him. Get a life.
Posted by: Aaron | May 5, 2010, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
bob lidd You’re feeling is so so wrong. You have no grasp of the situation so I suggest you read a book or two then come back here and chat with adults. Not a clue my man , not a clue .
Posted by: Omstrat | May 5, 2010, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
LOL….Obama says anyone else dropped the ball except himself or his cronies!!
Posted by: DJ | May 5, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
poor misguided liberal lefites. why don’t you guys go ahead and admit that you want our country destroyed by your african illegal alien.
i feel pity for your children. what will you tell them when they ask you why you let them down and put a debt on their shoulders that will never be paid?you would shove the wellbeing if your children aside just for the sake of a socialist jerk that cares less about you than he does his dog. you people are a waste of our resources and shame on you for indoctrinating your children to the beliefs of communists.
Posted by: LYCAN | May 5, 2010, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Hoax!
Posted by: Wideawake | May 5, 2010, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
When is Obama going to learn Americans expect foreign companies to to give us the shaft. BP and the Emirates air this week. Oblamer needs to change his song and quit acting like ambulance chasing lawyer he is. And maybe his crackerjack team of new leadership might beat the news reporters to an incident for once.
Posted by: union juanita | May 5, 2010, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Isn’t it amazing how this group of incompetent cowards always passes the blame on to the first available party. It doesn’t matter what the event, they are not to blame. Typical cowards, typical liberals, typical frauds!!!
Posted by: YankeeI | May 5, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
progressive mama wrote: “Policies should be updated and changed.”
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Its pretty bad when your primary anti-terrorism policy is “blind-####-luck”. Eventually that luck runs out. But then, oBama can always bring in a finger-pointing czar.
Posted by: gk | May 5, 2010, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Absolutely incredible! This bumbling idiot is totally successful but for his incompetence with the bomb and our government tries to deflect blame to the Emirates Airline? Wow? Janet needs to go to the Villages and take up Golf.
Posted by: Observer | May 5, 2010, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
President Obama has an excellent new anti-man-made-disaster policy:
Let’s hope their bombs don’t work.
OBAMA 2012!!!
Posted by: Malik | May 5, 2010, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Why do you think she was picked to be the director of Homeland Security – because she is a dunce.
Posted by: James | May 5, 2010, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Interesting – despite prior warning, suspected terrorists receiving flight training and boarding flights, on-site anti-aircraft at the pentagon failing to function, inadequate and delayed interceptor jet response, etc, the 9/11 commission did not reach the conclusion that the Bush admin or anyone in government dropped the ball, but here in a case where the suspect was successfully apprehended the admin dropped the ball. Amazing.
Posted by: Damon F. | May 5, 2010, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Obama was too busy praising himself and mocking the American people. As terrorist, illegal aliens and oil spills swarm America, wait a minute did I say oil? and I thought Bush was the oil man. I guess Obama is the new oil man, with his mega millions in contributions to him and his party from BP!
Posted by: vinko | May 5, 2010, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Thankfully our president has found a convenient scapegoat in Emirates Airlines. Were it not for them, he may have to fall back on the old reliable “I inherited all these problems from the previous administration”.
Posted by: Arthur | May 5, 2010, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
I’m sure that George Bush put him on the plane, after all, who else would do such a thing!
Posted by: Sue | May 5, 2010, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
OMG, why does it not surprise me that this administration is pointing their finger at Emirates Airlines. Since taking office, I couldn’t even begin to list the amount of times this guy or his buddies have blamed someone else. It’s disgraceful and embarassing. Can’t wait for the elections!
Posted by: Teresa | May 5, 2010, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
As for the rest, he knows the same people I do,
Posted by: progressive mama
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I don’t care who he knows that was a lie. And you didn’t respond to what I said. How’re those kids?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
This is indicative of a narcissist. Blame everyone else for you failures, take the credit for good.
Why would anyone ever listen to this man. If I was in a room with him and he told me that anything, I would turn my back and walk out of the room. I would not trust this guy to ever tell me the truth.
Please make this man impotent in November and then send him back to wherever he came from in 2012.
The man needs some long term therapy, hope his health care bill doesn not cover him. Maybe Sarah Palin, Rush and Joe the Plumber will be on the panel that turns him down for the therapy he needs.
Posted by: Dennis K | May 5, 2010, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Blame Bush!!!
Posted by: Michael | May 5, 2010, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
that was a lie. And you didn’t respond to what I said. How’re those kids?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 5, 2010 9:15:18 PM
Smartlilena, I have no idea what you’re talking about. You wrote:
“progressive mama, if your husband spun you a yarn like that how fast would you tell him to pack his clothes and hit the trail?”
Since you are bizarrely obsessed with my posts and picking weird little fights with me, I assumed you were talking about my last post. Perhaps, you were talking about something that makes sense in your universe.
I assure you, I don’t care either. Good luck in your world. It strikes me as an odd place, but fortunately, I don’t have to live there. lol
Posted by: progressive mama | May 5, 2010, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Ye with amnesia. Try Googling “Bush blamed Clinton.” You’ll find he was blamed for a recession, 9-11, high gas and this most recent recession. And we all know you guys think democrats are this whole housing thing and republicans have no guilt. I would imagine there is more.
Posted by: secondlook | May 5, 2010, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Excuse me, This man gets put on a critical no-fly list at 1230 pm and then boards a plane some 5 hours later? And the excuse is because the airline didnt upload the data? This is unacceptable! Someone needs to develop a program that automatically uploads the data so the airlines dont need to do anything but read and execute,
leadership takes responsibility not point the finger and come up with plausible denile, you would think that all the money we have spent to protect the public could fix this.
were doomed!
Posted by: Kurt | May 5, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
So we count on foreign airlines to prvent therorist attacks? God save America (and I am an atheist).
Posted by: Peter | May 6, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Ah, Jakey, try as might – and you keep trying mightily – you’re not gonna pin anything on the Obama Admin …because they’ve done a whale of a job.
Try as he might, Jakey, President Obama cannot keep his eye on all 330 million + people in our country.
At least he’s giving it his Grade A Effort, something Bush & Cheney rarely did. They were far too concerned with Iraq & the greatest business deal in the history of the world…make that The Greatest COLOSSALLY FAILED Business Deal In the History Of The World!
Posted by: Steve | May 6, 2010, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Stupid is as stupid does. Homeland Security’s new motto.
Posted by: Steve | May 6, 2010, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Actually DHS at the time required airlines to update their No Fly lists every 24 hours. (It’s now been cut to 2 hours)
Given that DHS notified Emirates at 12:30pm EST (8:30pm in Dubai) is it a major surprise that nothing had happened by 8:30pm EST (4:30am Dubai time).
Solution: Central database maintained by DHS, airline systems perform a lookup on reseravtion/check-in). Simple as.
Posted by: John B | May 6, 2010, 3:49 am 3:49 am
They ball is not in the Arab airlines it is our own ball to carry.Obama most likely staged the event to get voters to side with him. He knows his popularity is very low for passing the health care bill. and he has many other agendas to shove up our back sides for his Marxist friends.
Posted by: jake44 | May 6, 2010, 5:59 am 5:59 am
Obama and his boys are looking more and more like the Keystone Kops of old.
Posted by: Capn Jack | May 6, 2010, 6:13 am 6:13 am
What ever happened to the buck stops here regarding the President? Nothing bad ever seems to be his fault but any time something can be constrewed as good it was because of something he did.
Posted by: jon | May 6, 2010, 6:38 am 6:38 am
If he had not paid in cash, he would have gotten away. The ticket agent for Emirates raised a flag due to the cash payment. People like that agent, the Dutch filmmaker who smashed the undies bomber, and the Tee shirt vendor in NYC, they are keeping us safe, not Obama.
Posted by: craig | May 6, 2010, 6:40 am 6:40 am
The plane did leave the gate, they almost lost him, they did loose track of him – stop covering up for the Oidiots Tap Tap – can’t figure out why Miller thinks you’re a news guy…
Posted by: Electricc1977 | May 6, 2010, 6:43 am 6:43 am
Emirates dropped the ball or not, the more serious question is who dropped ball in Times Square. Where were the Feds? Why did it take a street vendor and the NY PD?
Obama and his lap dogs won’t accept responsibility for anything bad, but all the good stuff they fight for to claim as their own. How Clintonian~!
Posted by: Al Barrs | May 6, 2010, 6:49 am 6:49 am
Posted by: progressive mama
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I’d like to add that NBC has a history of shading the news when it comes to a Dem POTUS. This time they found someone willing to tell an unbelievable story and they ran with it. You don’t even believe it.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 6, 2010, 6:56 am 6:56 am
DHS and Napolitano dropped the ball, if they were on this guy’s tail trying to find him the FEDS should have made a phone call to airport(s)and any other transportation carrier security directly to update them with the information. In stead they update the no fly list and try to push the blame on the airlines because they do not refresh their lists fast enough. This administration cannot accept responsibility.
Posted by: MS | May 6, 2010, 7:10 am 7:10 am
Obama’s far to busy campaigning to pay attention to a little thing like national security.
Posted by: Kathy | May 6, 2010, 7:46 am 7:46 am
It’s NEVER Obama’s fault.. haven’t you figured that out yet? And the main stream news media continues to allow him get away with “the blame game” by enabling him with stories like this.
We no longer have “news”, only socialist-democrat propaganda outlets.
Posted by: LBlanks | May 6, 2010, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Folks, the “boss” bears no blame for anything. It is and always will be someone else’s fault!
The “messiah” is above reproach…remember that and all will be fine.
Posted by: joeybiden | May 6, 2010, 8:11 am 8:11 am
It troubles me that the WH and ABC news would issue a story saying the plane never left the gate. If the WH said it ABC should have corrected. As it turns out it was a lucky catch. The sun shined upon us that the bomb did not go off. If it had we never would have caught the bomber before he left the country.
Posted by: Ron8200 | May 6, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Incredibly great detective work by NYPD and the JTTF to identify and locate the terrorist, followed by world-class incompetence by the Fibbies in losing sight of him as he managed to get from Connecticut to JFK airport.
After the arrest, not even a hint from the administration whether their famous high-value interrogation cell was even operational yet or whether a military tribunal/civilian court decision matrix was utilized.
From the moment the investigation began until today, there have been constant leaks about the car’s VIN number alternate locations, cell phone and e-mail tracking technology, etc., obviously designed to show just how competent and professional the administration is. However, all it accomplished was to provide lessons learned and traps to avoid for successive terrorists.
We were lucky this time but, from top to bottom, this administration is not ready for prime time.
Posted by: WEP | May 6, 2010, 8:35 am 8:35 am
This man was able to bring his family here, go to training camps in Pakistan for 5 months and still get his papers. Then he got all that material, built a car bomb and delivered it to Times Square. That in of itsself shows a massive failure. To say it was luck it didnt go off than brag how fast you caught him is childish. As we argue what to do with this evil man those in training now will only laugh because they know even if they get caught it will be years before any are brought to trial. We cant even decide where to house them but fret if their meals are not culturally sensitive. Even I am getting tired of being warned of the teabaggers as they march peacefully while thugs and terrorists build car bombs in our neighborhoods full of innocent familes. My citizen grandmother is patted down and her water taken in airports but this man, who is on a list, is let past TSA security. Should that not be the place to stop them, not relying on airlines from all over the world? So yes, let us argue with each other, let us blame Bush or Clinton or whoever as those who failed us, the Gin swilling rich politicians, get off easy.
Posted by: William | May 6, 2010, 9:31 am 9:31 am
There are some extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel) event at the Ford Center next weekend in Beaumont, Texas, if anybody wants them. Robbie is going to try to jump over 1,000 Obama supporters with a Caterpillar D-9 bulldozer. Should be a good time.
Posted by: Bob-Salem | May 6, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Cash for Clunkers
The POSITIVE results:
It’s taken 700,000 Obama bumper stickers off the road…
Posted by: Bob-Salem | May 6, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
A teacher in Elmira, New York, who is an Obama supporter, asked her 4th grade class,”How many of you are Obama fans?”
Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands, except for Little Johnny.
The teacher asked Little Johnny why he decided to be different?
Little Johnny said, “Because I’m not an Obama fan.”
The teacher asked, “Why aren’t you an Obama fan?”
Johnny said, “Because I’m a Conservative .”
The teacher asked him why he’s a Conservative .
Little Johnny answered, ” Well, my Mom’s a Conservative and my Dad’s a Conservative, so I’m a Conservative.” Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, “If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?”
With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, ”That would make me an Obama fan.”
Posted by: Bob-Salem | May 6, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.
Ready? Now pay attention…
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
This is what Obama considers “sharing the wealth”
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens…
You are part of the problem!
Posted by: Bob-Salem | May 6, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
I’d like to add that NBC has a history of shading the news when it comes to a Dem POTUS. This time they found someone willing to tell an unbelievable story and they ran with it. You don’t even believe it.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 6, 2010 6:56:15 AM
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FP has a good post up at its Passport blog called, “The Times Square Bomber: What we thought we knew”. Bottom line, after a long list:”Moral of the story: more reporting in the wake of an event like this doesn’t necessarily mean more reliable information. Take it all with a grain of salt.”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 6, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Take it all with a grain of salt.”
Posted by: progressive mama
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Didn’t I say that very thing?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 6, 2010, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Didn’t I say that very thing?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 6, 2010 5:47:18 PM
If so, not clearly nor without a lot of hyper partisan jabbering.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 6, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Does it occur to people that even if this character had left the US he almost certainly would have been extradited if the evidence suggested that he was involved in terrorism ?
Posted by: SAS | May 6, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
“Didn’t I say that very thing?
Posted by: smartlillena
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If so, not clearly nor without a lot of hyper partisan jabbering.
Posted by: progressive mama”
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Maybe its not the hyper partisan jabbering, but the hyper partisan blinders by the reader instead.
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