Obama’s Low-Key Memorial Day Weekend
From Jon Garcia:
After flying to the Gulf coast to view perhaps the “biggest environmental disaster” the United States has ever faced on Friday, President Obama maintained a fairly low-profile Memorial Day weekend in Chicago.
Obama’s Saturday started with an 8:45 a.m. visit to the University of Chicago's Lab School, where his daughters used to attend school and where the President has played basketball in the past. He entered in his black North Face jacket and his Chicago White Sox cap on, and his trusty personal assistant — and frequent basketball companion — Reggie Love with him. The White House never confirmed exactly what he did in there for the two hours of his visit, but a pool reporter on site emailed that “several people preceded POTUS out the door dressed in sweats and looking bedraggled.”
Later that evening, Obama and his family took a walk to neighbor and family-friend Marty Nesbitt's house for a backyard barbecue. Seen walking were the President, in blue jeans and an un-tucked blue shirt alongside his mother-in-law Marian Robinson, daughter Malia with first dog Bo, daughter Sasha, brother-in-law Craig Robinson, and his sister, first lady Michelle next to his wife, who pushed a stroller. Sam Sutton, a White House valet, “brought up the rear carrying a white box of the sort and size that holds sheet cakes,” according to a written pool report.
The first family remained there for more than six hours, before returning to their home just after 10:30 p.m. No word what went on inside, but their departure coincided pretty closely with the end of the Chicago Blackhawk’s Stanley Cup finals win over the Philadelphia Flyers. (The score was 6-5.)
Sunday dawned with another Obama trip to a gym, this time to a “private gym” near the West Side shortly after 9 a.m. This visit lasted just under two hours and a local reporter informed several press pool members that the building houses "Naturally Fit, a fitness studio owned by Cornell McClellan, who is known in Chicago as Michelle Obama's personal trainer.”
Shortly after 11 a.m., the press pool members were dismissed with a White House-declared “lid,” the term presidential staff use to say Obama has no other events planned for the day, public or otherwise, but later in the day the president decided to visit with family and friends in the neighborhood. A White House aide said the president was at Valerie Jarrett's mother's house for a party celebrating Jarrett's daughter's graduation from Harvard Law School.
White House staff sent our several press releases to make sure the press knew that Obama was engaged in the disaster clean-up, participating in briefing updates and making a late-Saturday paper statement.
Tomorrow President Obama heads to Elwood, Ill., to visit Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery, a veteran’s cemetery about 50 miles south of Chicago. There he will lay a wreath and deliver a Memorial Day address. Normally the president participates in this ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery just outside of Washington. This year, Vice President Biden will have that solemn honor, laying the traditional wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.
– Jon Garcia
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Tonight is the biggest national party of the year in D.C. it will be attended/watched by millions…
But there will be one thing missing… the Commander-in-Chief, who is not even in town…
He could have done a lot to help his image in the light of the tragedies of the spill, the flood of illegal immigration, the exploding national debt, the lack of jobs, etc. just by coming out on stage and sharing with the people…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
I did not expect Obama to do anything that would show that he is an American. It seems to me that he only thinks of the American People as an after thought, when he has finished doing what he wants to. He needs to be attentive to the people that elected him to the post and put his wants on hold and listen to the people. No one wanted the health care bill, but we have it now. The don’t ask,don’t tell from someone who never served. What’s next, the removal of the Constitution in favor to something more favorable to him?
Posted by: Mike McCormick | May 30, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Why can our President not be at this time honored event deserved by more
than he can count. Is this a ceremony that is beneath or above him?
GOD bless and GOD please help America!
Posted by: Sane ex Sailor | May 30, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Is it ok to say that the family friend is the OFA treasurer? Just curious. Just a low key event, yes? No press pool interesting events, no? C’mon Jake Tapper and team. Report the news-worthy events. Americans already know them, so why not report?
We are ready to honor our fallen heroes tomorrow. 11 am sharp at the Aisle of Flags. Fallen heroes for freedoms we enjoy like freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
Posted by: ltw | May 30, 2010, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
I don’t find any problem with Obama honoring Veteran’s Day at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery rather than Arlington. It is certainly not the first time the President was not at Arlington. And he shouldn’t be concerned by the hatred from the Right – it is not like they cared the slightest bit about Obama honoring Veteran’s last year. Indeed, the far right used his 2009 visit to fuel their hate then too.
“Barack Obama’s speech commemorating Veterans Day at Arlinton Cemetery this morning was received with stony silence by those in attendance.
What should have been applause lines for Obama about caring for our veterans drew no cheers, no clapping and no ‘hooahs’.” -2009 Freerepublic
Or those various email slanders that took stills of Obama standing with his hands at his side while everyone else was saluting that claimed Obama refused to salute the dead (in reality, as video shows the stills were taken as everyone was saluting the President entering the stage – check out the standard Urban Legends debunking site).
Just like the US dealing with Iran, Obama shouldn’t worry much about people who hate him making up a new reason to state how much they hate him.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 30, 2010, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Although, I can understand the need for a family vacation I still think our president is making a huge mistake. Why when we have two wars and Americans that are in danger not only abroad but domestically our present would break with such a tradition. However, this does seem consistent behavior for our Commander and Chief who refused to visit our fallen soldiers in Europe as is American custom. With a Value system like and apologizing for American actions all over the world I believe this is a disturbing pattern of behavior for a man with the tittle COMMANDER AND CHIEF!
Posted by: Getzel | May 30, 2010, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Seems to me Obama is living in a “Truman” or “Stepford Wives” world… He is the center of his world. I am sorry that he is president.. I am sorry that he thinks more of himself on Memorial Day than respecting the Fallen Heroes at Arlington as the past presidents have done… Shame on our President…
Posted by: Helen | May 30, 2010, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
The boorish Republican right acts as if the war dead at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery are somehow less deserving. Hogwash. What a despicable way to use them as a way to attack the President.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Stoney Silence eh? I count the word hate three times and haterd once in those five paragraghs. Just where and how do those words fit any meaning in the honoring our fallen heroes on Memorial Day?
Posted by: Sane ex Sailor | May 30, 2010, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
low-key my rear end. He’s doing what HE wants to do, regardless of what the presidency and its demands …. demand. I could care less that he’s at a national cemetery inIllinois )especially as I’m from Illinois!) instead of Arlington, but please, this weekend has been nothing about honoring our war dead and everyting about a vacation. You know what? When you’re president you don’t get to do those things! He wanted the job, damn it, do the job!
Posted by: Liz | May 30, 2010, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Um… JHW 539…. We are not celebrating VETERAN’s day… Ummm I think its called…..MEMORIAL DAY.. Memorial day is when we honor our heroes from past wars that have died for our country so we can have the freedoms we take for granted…Please get your days straight
Posted by: Helen | May 30, 2010, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Posted by: Liz | May 30, 2010 9:16:54 PM
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but the fallen soldiers there are just as deserving as any.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda. Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Thank You for staying away.
The Men and Women who have fallen are in far better company with you playing B Ball and eating ribs in Chicago. You sir are a disgrace as a President.
Please have your patsy “Joe” sign any condolence letters for future Fallen Heroes. Can in a thousand nightmares you imagine the insult of a family who’s “President” choose to ignore the Supreme Sacrifice and sent a proxy? The thought of your hollow sympathy would be and is an insult to their sacrifice. You Sir are the Commander and Chump
Frankly in hind sight you might be doing us all a favor by publicizing how undeserving you are of the office or he respect it deserves.
Posted by: Brad | May 30, 2010, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Posted by: Brad | May 30, 2010 9:25:30 PM
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but do you somehow think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary are somehow less deserving? They are not.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda. Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
I’ll assume that you were all this upset when GW Bush had a fill in at Arlington on Memorial Day; or his father – or Reagan?? Because you certainly wouldn’t be hypocritical about it.
Jon Garcia shame on you for your purposeful obfuscation.
Posted by: Dawn Brooks | May 30, 2010, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Were I today again given the order to go into harms way, I am not so sure that I would “not” hesitate on your behalf.
I honestly hope you sleep well at night knowing you and your freedomes are protected……. at least for tonight!
Posted by: Sane ex Sailor | May 30, 2010, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Where is the love? Give the man a break. Do you ever need a break from what you do? He is deserving of a holiday just like any other President republican or democrat. I can only imagine how stressed you would all be if you were the President. instead you are critics. What have you done besides sit here and make negative comments on your thrones? Start thinking positive, you bring down the morale of everyone around you. Look at the good instead of dwelling on the negative.
Posted by: Terry | May 30, 2010, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
I don’t think he even count the costs of his actions.He disrespected Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and here we are.There is more to come if this nation will keep turning its back on God.What is next after the oil spill?
Posted by: Gracely | May 30, 2010, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Please get your days straight
Helen | May 30, 2010 9:17:31 PM
My mistake; I do treat Memorial day and Veteran’s day similarly – I honor those who have served in our military. Of course, as you point out I am apparently quite wrong to honor those who served us and did not die for us on Memorial day. In my defense, my church is also wrong as today we had those Veterans in the congregations stand for a special blessing (obviously, since they were alive Memorial day is not meant to honor them).
While I am embarrassed to be caught honoring living Veterans as well as those who died for Memorial day, the entirety of my point still stands.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 30, 2010, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
@getzel – it’s commander IN chief
Posted by: Dawn Brooks | May 30, 2010, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
While I am embarrassed to be caught honoring living Veterans as well as those who died for Memorial day, the entirety of my point still stands
Posted by: jhw539 | May 30, 2010 10:21:07 PM
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No problem… it happens…
But still, your point is wrong…
Yes the dead in Chicago are as worthy of his presence as those in Arlington…
But he is not free to choose… He is President… he belongs at his post, in the Nation’s Capitol, presiding over the National Service Honoring of those who served and have died in service or since….
Now 1000 brave young American lives cut short in Afghanistan… how many more?
The Nation is crying out for leadership… leadership is an obligation, not a choice… the Nation is concerned about the flood of oil from the Gulf, the flood of illegal immigration from Mexico, the flood of debt from the Government, the nuclear potential of Iran, the possibility of terrorist attacks, the dearth of jobs…
If he were to appear at the National Concert in D.C tonight, he would be welcomed like a rock star… like he was at his inauguration… his absence speaks volumes…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
The National Cemetery where my parents are buried is beautiful,historic and chock full of MOH winners,statesmen and heroes.And yes,all vets are heroes.But it isn’t Arlington.Presidents should go to Arlington-it is the home of the Tomb of the Unknowns,who represent all servicemen who have made the supreme sacrifice.I would cut some slack for those who could get into Arlington on their own from prior service-G.H.W. Bush comes to mind. Non-vets may not understand the uniqueness of Arlington,what it takes to be buried there now.Punchbowl, West Point, the overseas military cemeteries would certainly be appropriate. The Lincoln cemetery ,while hallowed ground,is not the same.
Posted by: Nephron | May 30, 2010, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
The real issue is the reason behind Obama’s choice to skip Arlington. Not wanting to interrupt his vacation is not a legitimate reason. If there were some type of overriding circumstance (like Bush junior’s being in Normandy), then attending a substitute location would be perfectly acceptable. But on what planet is it okay for the Commander-in-Chief, whose soldiers are involved in two wars, to skip out on a national symbol of remembrance and gratitude because he doesn’t want to be inconvenienced on his vacation? Arlington, like all cultural symbols, is invested with meaning, and for Obama to ignore what that meaning is to millions of Americans is just further proof that he has no business leading this country. And for all those who claim that Arlington does not have special meaning, all the polls I’ve seen on this story indicate that you are part of the small minority who, along with Obama, just don’t get it.
Posted by: SG | May 30, 2010, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Perhaps he should review 1 and 5 of the General Orders…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but do you somehow think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary are somehow less deserving? They are not.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda.
Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Mr. Bush’s comments in Normandy, “every American buried here understood his duty…”
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Mr. Obama…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
I think it is disgusting that you couldn’t wait for your vacation to CHICAGO. You have access to a jet. This is like a slap in the face to our military. You could fly back for this tradition and do what has been done. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED! What is wrong with you. Like I heard at work today I bet Senator MC Cain would have layed a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown soldier first and formost. I believe more and more everyday I voted for the wrong person. We wanted change but not this kind.
Posted by: Doris | May 30, 2010, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
President Obama… so much promised… so little delivered…
Where are you tonight on the National Stage…?
Colin Powell is there… where are you?
Thousands of Vets are there… where are you?
Thousands of dead veterans lie in Arlington… where are you?
Where are you? You belong at you post, in our Nation’s Capitol…
Leadership is an obligation, not an option… WHERE ARE YOU?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010 11:46:45 PM
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but do you somehow think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary are somehow LESS deserving? They are not.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda.
Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Leadership is an obligation, not an option… WHERE ARE YOU?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010 11:46:45 PM
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Did anybody set the precedent? And not even bother to go to a national veterans cemetery?
In 1992, Vice President Dan Quayle laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day, according to a May 26, 1992.
President George H.W. Bush attended a wreath-laying ceremony and made brief remarks at an American Legion hall in Kennebunkport, Maine, where he also played a round of golf.
Why goodness gracious, it was that great Republican George H.W. Bush.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Since when does the Israeli Prime Minister get to make U.S. foreign policy decisions? Sorry, that would haveen Bush/Sharon and a cool $1 trillion dollars ago.
Posted by: B.Bear | May 31, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010 11:49:11 PM
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A little respect would be welcomed… Where is our fearless leader tonight…?
He should be present at his post… but he is AWOL…
He is the Nation’s leader, and the the Nation is crying out for leadership…
We need leadership on the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the flood of oil from the Gulf, the flood of illegal immigration from Mexico, the flood of debt from the Government, the dearth of jobs, the threat of nuclear weapons from Iran….
WHERE IS OUR LEADER????
I don’t know… where is he, tierra????
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:00:18 AM
No, it’s you who should show some respect.
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but do you somehow think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary are somehow less deserving? They are not.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda.
Learn some class.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Why goodness gracious, it was that great Republican George H.W. Bush.
Posted by: tierra | May 30, 2010 11:54:50 PM
Wrong example… George H.W. Bush was actually a veteran… he was shot down in his plane during WWII…
A better example would be Bill Clinton who managed to find time to honor the dead on Memorial Day…
Mr. Obama…???
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:05:04 A
Stop your hypocrisy – it makes you look foolish.
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – a veteran’s cemetery. Might not be good enough for you, but do you somehow think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary are somehow less deserving? They are not.
You cheapen the day by using it to spin out your personal political agenda.
Learn some class and show some respect.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Tierra:
YOU ARE CANADIAN…you need to back away from the whole Memorial Day thing for the US…
Posted by: mjishernameo | May 31, 2010, 12:16 am 12:16 am
My only point is that he should be on the National Stage tonight, of all nights… He missed an opportunity…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Wow…
Even Adm Mullen had the presence of mind to attend… our leader’s absence is noted…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:21 am 12:21 am
We need leadership on the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the flood of oil from the Gulf, the flood of illegal immigration from Mexico, the flood of debt from the Government, the dearth of jobs, the threat of nuclear weapons from Iran….
WHERE IS OUR LEADER????
I don’t know…
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:00:18 AM
That last line about sums it up. You have to be willfully ignorant to not be aware of the extensive work Obama has put in on all those issues, from his exhaustive review prior to doubling the troops and firing the general in Iraq (‘dithering’ to the Right, who prefer to go from the gut and stay the course I guess) to his establishment of a presidential commission on the deficit after Congress refused to do so (in an extraordinarily hypocritical flip-flop by a number of GOP Senators who used to be strongly-pro exactly such a Congressional deficit commission).
Your ignorance of ‘where our leader is’ speaks poorly of your knowledge, not the job Obama is doing.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Posted by: mjishernameo | May 31, 2010 12:16:03 AM
Again you are wrong.
The right wing posters have done this before on here. The President pays respects to the war dead – and the right wing insults the families of those dead by spreading their filth that the President doesn’t care and isn’t honoring the soldiers.
You smear your slime on the soldiers and their families as well as the President – as if your opinions are more important than the honor.
It’s a disgrace.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:27 am 12:27 am
If he were to appear at the National Concert in D.C tonight, he would be welcomed like a rock star…
Quo Warranto? | May 30, 2010 10:51:08 PM
He sure wasn’t last year. It is documented as being just another chance for the Right fringe to carp and make up stories (in that case, about how the audience refused to applaud or lies about him refusing to properly salute the fallen); see my earlier post for examples.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 12:28 am 12:28 am
“prior to doubling the troops and firing the general in Iraq (‘dithering’ to the Right, ”
Err, that should be Afghanistan of course. (My mind is more on finalizing some energy models so I can go to bed, not board babble.)
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 12:32 am 12:32 am
jhw:
wow, your statistics are staggering! Is that all you can come up with for our meddler in Chief? You forgot Obama’s complete big government overhaul of the best health care system in the world, you forgot his massive spending bills with money that doesn’t exist, you forgot his failure to put a dent in the unemployment figures, you forgot his massive bailouts of the car industry, the banking industry, and his planned overtaking now of the oil industry.
His failures outnumber his accomplishments. Period.
This deal on Memorial Day Weekend, just like Veteran’s Day, when he delegated any patriotism to his sidekick Joe Biden is just another example of his lack of true interest in our nation’s interests. Obama’s interests do not equal America’s interests. He has an agenda and that is the only thing driving him day in and day out. Joe Biden standing next to Obama, makes Biden look like John Wayne.
Joe Biden deserves the respect of a true American patriot and American statesman for his support of our nation’s heroes, because Biden is willing to do in public for our country those little things that mean a lot, what Obama cannot bring his radically warped conscience to do.
That is, support the noble traditions of our great nation. My hats off to Biden.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 12:38 am 12:38 am
wow, your statistics are staggering! Is that all you can come up with for our meddler in Chief? You forgot Obama’s complete big government overhaul of the best health care system in the world, you forgot his massive spending bills with money that doesn’t exist, you forgot his failure to put a dent in the unemployment figures, you forgot his massive bailouts of the car industry, the banking industry, and his planned overtaking now of the oil industry.
EPU | May 31, 2010 12:38:00 AM
Gee, that sure doesn’t sound like the do-nothing, absent non-leader that Quo Warranto (the post I was explicitly replying to) claimed Obama is. Could you GOP’ers agree on whether the President is a do-nothing empty suit OR deliberately destroying the entire nation in 18 months? Because that level of double-think is just not worth arguing with.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010 12:38:00 AM
The best health care system in the world is one that leaves millions of its citizens without coverage or lined up in emergency wards where it costs the taxpayer at 10 times the rate of a normal visit to a doctor, others cut off from coverage once they get sick because it costs too much, and others with children who can’t even get coverage because they have ‘pre-existing’ conditions? And the system is bankrupting the country?
That is the best the country can do?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:44 am 12:44 am
If he were to appear at the National Concert in D.C tonight, he would be welcomed like a rock star…
He sure wasn’t last year.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 12:28:25 AM
Did he appear last year???? Funny, I can’t recall…
The Nation is crying out for LEADERSHIP… we are inundated by oil from the Gulf…., illegal aliens from Mexico… debt from the government… we are worried about nuclear weapons in Iran, the dearth of jobs here…
Where are our leaders…? What is the plan… what are the milestones… how are we doing… ?
WHERE ARE YOU MR. OBAMA???
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Gee, that sure doesn’t sound like the do-nothing, absent non-leader that Quo Warranto (the post I was explicitly replying to) claimed Obama is. Could you GOP’ers agree on whether the President is a do-nothing empty suit OR deliberately destroying the entire nation in 18 months? Because that level of double-think is just not worth arguing with.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 12:43:48 AM
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Hahahaha . . . they can’t figure out what the President is but they know there’s something they don’t like about him . . . he’s not a right wing Republican apparently.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:49 am 12:49 am
nice try tierra,
your dodging of my whole point is a red herring into what Obama is all about: a radical disinterest in our nations values and traditions. At least Biden is there to bring somewhat some semblance of sanity to our government.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Did he appear last year???? Funny, I can’t recall…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:48:24 AM
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Yeah, isn’t that ‘funny’.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:50 am 12:50 am
That is the best the country can do?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 12:44:42 AM
Of course there is the Canadian system…
Get all the free health care you can… but when things get serious… fly down to the USA and purchase what you really need…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 12:51 am 12:51 am
what Obama is all about: a radical disinterest in our nations values and traditions.
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No, actually I took up a real issue, rather than just your biased ranting.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
jhw:
Obama is doing nothing to bring our nation FORWARD. He is working round the clock to systematically dismantle our nation and reduce to a government dependent banana republic, the likes of Costa Rica. So is he doing positive with all his big government ideas? Negative.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
The likes of Cuba not Costa Rica. You get the point.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Of course there is the Canadian system…
Get all the free health care you can… but when things get serious… fly down to the USA and purchase what you really need…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:51:50 AM
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You apparently have no idea how many Americans are now medical tourists leaving the country for treatment elsewhere – where its cheaper.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:55 am 12:55 am
So tierra, in your little socialist mind, how do you explain Obama’s Health care bill that opposed 55% of the American’s support? Is this a democracy or is this a banana republic? Me thinks you like the latter not the former.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 12:55 am 12:55 am
he was voted into office so he must have put on a damm good show and look what we get nothing not even the respect for our veterans
Posted by: rob | May 31, 2010, 12:56 am 12:56 am
* In 2006, about 150,000 American citizens traveled to Latin America and Asia for medical treatment.
* In 2007, the figure increased to approximately 300,000.
* In 2010, experts say that the number could increase to well over 1 million.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 12:58 am 12:58 am
There’s no questioning that SOME tweaking of the health care system needed to happen, but did it need to happen in the form of HB3962. According to a CBS Poll 60% of Americans DO NOT believe that the health care reform bill will benefit them. Bias rantings? Check your mirror for that!
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:00 am 1:00 am
So tierra, in your little socialist mind, how do you explain Obama’s Health care bill that opposed 55% of the American’s support?
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I’m surprised the bill gets even that much support after all the lies the Republican right told about the bills, all the controversy and negativity they generated – and the amount of misinformation spread.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Misinformation . . . another failure of Obama to communicate his bill. He failed to deliver how his bill would benefit Americans, which to this day is an anomaly to us all.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Americans believe that both Republicans and Democrats were fighting about health care reform because of politics, not policy, a new CBS News poll finds.
Americans had an even more cynical view of Republican motivations: Sixty-one percent said Republicans were acting on the basis of political concerns, while 29 percent said Republicans truly believed the bill was bad policy.
For Congressional Republicans, meanwhile, their approval rating on health care stands at just 25 percent, up from 17 percent in October. Their disapproval rating is 64 percent.
By the way, people just don’t trust either Republicans or Democrats on health care – why? Because of all the bickering and lies told, because of the demonizing going on . . .
Because of things like you’re saying . .
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Did he appear last year???? Funny, I can’t recall…
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:48:24 AM
Not really, just more support for my earlier assertion that you are deliberately ignorant of anything good Obama does (like his Memorial day activities at Arlington last year).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:07 am 1:07 am
No matter how you try to spin it, an overwhelmingly vast majority of Americans do not see any benefit to Obama’s health bill. Period. Once again, democracy or banana republic?
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Obama is doing nothing to bring our nation FORWARD. He is working round the clock to systematically dismantle our nation and reduce to a government dependent banana republic, the likes of Costa Rica.
EPU | May 31, 2010 12:53:07 AM
Shrug, that’s your opinion. As the recovery continues to gain speed, health care reform doesn’t cause the sky to fall, and banks are brought under reasonable regulation, it will be interesting to see how long you continue to cling to it.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:11 am 1:11 am
jhw:
didn’t you read this article? Joe Biden is the one performing the solemn honor of laying the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
Frankly, I would rest much easier with Biden leading this country than Obama. Obama displays very little interest in our American noble and honorable heritage.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:11 am 1:11 am
No matter how you try to spin it, an overwhelmingly vast majority of Americans do not see any benefit to Obama’s health bill. Period. Once again, democracy or banana republic?
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:08:45 AM
Democracies are run by votes, not by opinion polls and out of context quotes from them (I see no benefit from the health insurance regulation reform, but I fully support it).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Apparently Mr. Obama lives in a very strange neighborhood in Chicago…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 1:08:41 AM
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Again, your lack of knowledge about something does not make your imaginings accurate . . .
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Not really, just more support for my earlier assertion that you are deliberately ignorant of anything good Obama does (like his Memorial day activities at Arlington last year).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:07:09 AM
Mr. Colin Powell spoke very well about the ending of segregation in the military prior to the Korean war… where was our leader???
Where are you Mr. Obama??? A nation turns its eyes to you…???
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:18 am 1:18 am
“According to a CBS Poll 60% of Americans DO NOT believe that the health care reform bill will benefit them”
And something like 80% of people who drive think they’re better than average drivers too. Sure our health insurance system benefited everyone….as long as you stayed perfectly healthy.
“big government overhaul of the best health care system in the world”
No it’s the best medical facilities in the world, cost and coverage wise we had one of the worst health care systems in the world.
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010, 1:18 am 1:18 am
No it’s the best medical facilities in the world, cost and coverage wise we had one of the worst health care systems in the world.
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010 1:18:18 AM
Skip, please… thousands of Canadians depend on the ability to travel south to get the health care they need in a crisis… Under Obama-care, that option will be closes…
a little humanity please…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:21 am 1:21 am
didn’t you read this article? Joe Biden is the one performing the solemn honor of laying the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:11:58 AM
And Obama is honoring those who died for our nation at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Not sure what your point is. He made three visits to the Unknown Soldiers tomb in 2009, I think he understands the solemn honor.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Skip than why is that whenever you hear Canadians talk about their government health care system they claim that it stinks. I’ll admit growing up near the Mexican border, I knew a few people who would travel to Mexico for some dentistry, but I also know some people who came back from Mexico with botched dental work too. The system in America trumps anybody else’s, even those who think America’s system is “broken”. It isn’t. Only in the minds of those who think that big government should be running the entire system.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Skip, please… thousands of Canadians depend on the ability to travel south to get the health care they need
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 1:21:25 AM
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* In 2006, about 150,000 American citizens traveled to Latin America and Asia for medical treatment.
* In 2007, the figure increased to approximately 300,000.
* In 2010, experts say that the number could increase to well over 1 million.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:25 am 1:25 am
According to this article, “their departure coincided pretty closely with the end of the Chicago Blackhawk’s Stanley Cup finals”. Joe Biden is performing the solemn honor this year because Obama is too busy this year hoping the Blackhawks would bring home the Stanley Cup. This in the hopes that a Chicago victory might make Chicago-politician-Obama look better to the American populace. I kid you not!
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:30 am 1:30 am
* In 2006, about 150,000 American citizens traveled to Latin America and Asia for medical treatment.
* In 2007, the figure increased to approximately 300,000.
* In 2010, experts say that the number could increase to well over 1 million.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 1:25:52 AM
Yes… and they paid for it… In the future, even more will travel for health care due to Government intrusion in the US heath care system… there are currently heath care plans that will pay all expenses for you to travel to Costa Rica to receive certain treatments (due to PE layers like Mr. Edwards).
With continued Government intrusion, trial lawyers, you will be unable to afford heath care in the US, even if you are Canadian, you will have to go to South America… Good Luck!
Where are you, our leader, Mr. Obama!???
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Skip than why is that whenever you hear Canadians talk about their government health care system they claim that it stinks.
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:24:38 AM
I have a friend who returned to Canada for treatment of a serious brain tumor. My parents returned to the UK to give birth to my sister (my father emigrated from there) explicitly for the health care. And every single one of the people I talk to in the UK agree the NHS is a shambles AND it is far better than the mess in the US.
Sorta like bashing Medicare is done by everyone in the US, but no one ever tries to eliminate it. If Republicans weren’t just playing partisan politics with health insurance reform, they would have taken a stand against Medicare – a true government run, public option insurance plan. They didn’t, they fell over themselves to support it because it is insanely popular and works far better than any other option seen anywhere in the world ever for covering the elderly.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:34 am 1:34 am
tierra, America’s population is 309,381,000 and you claim that the last hard figure recorded was 300,000 that went internationally for medical work. According to my math that is roughly .01 percent. How does that square again with your argument?
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:37 am 1:37 am
“…thousands of Canadians depend…”
“…whenever you hear Canadians talk about…”
What’s with the obsession with Canada every time there is discussion about HC reform? There are more people living in California. Of course a small nation right next door probably won’t be able to afford the same quality of medical facilities we can regardless of what system they have.
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
didn’t you read this article? Joe Biden is the one performing the solemn honor of laying the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:11:58 AM
And Obama is honoring those who died for our nation at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Not sure what your point is. He made three visits to the Unknown Soldiers tomb in 2009, I think he understands the solemn honor.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:21:33 AM.
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Three visits to the Unknown Soldier tomb in one year. Who cares says the Republican right.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:34:08 AM
I met a Canadian whose wife had stage 4 breast cancer… they were unable to offer her treatment in the Canadian system… he opted to travel to the US where he was able to spend $80K to get her treated… thank God he had the money…
The Canadian system contracts across the border with American clinics and hospitals for services…
The Canadian system is on the verge of bankruptcy…
If you want the Canadian system… move to Canada…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:40 am 1:40 am
How does that square again with your argument?
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010 1:37:25 AM
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How does it not?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am
If you want the Canadian system… move to Canada…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 1:40:11 AM
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Are you right wingers really daft enough to think the health care bill = Canadian medical system?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:42 am 1:42 am
tierra, .01% – are you kidding?!!!
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:42 am 1:42 am
Once again a CBS poll reports that 60% of Americans do not believe Obama’s health care reform bill will benefit them. Now ask yourself, is this a democracy or a banana republic?
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:43 am 1:43 am
jhw:
Once again a CBS poll reports that 60% of Americans do not believe Obama’s health care reform bill will benefit them. Now ask yourself, is this a democracy or a banana republic?
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This argument has already been dispelled several times on here including by jhw himself.
“Democracies are run by votes, not by opinion polls and out of context quotes from them (I see no benefit from the health insurance regulation reform, but I fully support it).”
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:15:12 AM
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:44 am 1:44 am
What’s with the obsession with Canada every time there is discussion about HC reform? There are more people living in California. Of course a small nation right next door probably won’t be able to afford the same quality of medical facilities we can regardless of what system they have.
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010 1:38:55 AM
So why do you suppose the system in a nation of about 30 million, overwhelming white people can be scaled up to serve a nation of over 300 million racially diverse Americans?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:44 am 1:44 am
Maybe the Chicago Blackhawks winning Lord Stanley’s Cup is what’s really on the Chicago thug politician’s mind this Monday.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:45 am 1:45 am
tierra, .01% – are you kidding?!!!
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010 1:42:49 AM
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Not at all. What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:46 am 1:46 am
Go against the will of the vast majority of Americans on health care – now THAT’S democracy at work!
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:47 am 1:47 am
didn’t you read this article? Joe Biden is the one performing the solemn honor of laying the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:11:58 AM
And Obama is honoring those who died for our nation at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Not sure what your point is. He made three visits to the Unknown Soldiers tomb in 2009, I think he understands the solemn honor.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:21:33 AM.
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Three visits to the Unknown Soldier tomb in one year.
Who cares says the Republican right – like EPU.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:48 am 1:48 am
“Once again a CBS poll reports that 60% of Americans do not believe Obama’s health care reform bill will benefit them. Now ask yourself, is this a democracy or a banana republic?”
I’m going with ‘democracy’ on that one. The Democrats ran on a platform of reforming healthcare…and they did. You might not like how they did it but nobody can say they didn’t keep their word!
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Not at all. What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 1:46:34 AM
When things get serious… they head south…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:49 am 1:49 am
And Obama is honoring those who died for our nation at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. Not sure what your point is. He made three visits to the Unknown Soldiers tomb in 2009, I think he understands the solemn honor.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:21:33 AM.
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I think he understands the solemn honor too – and I think people like EPU are out to smear the President while at the same time insulting the soldiers and families Obama is honoring. He wants to dimish the honor the President has shown.
Show some class.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Game 2 Chicago Blackhawks vs. Philadelphia Flyers MONDAY. You can’t have a tailgater AND lay the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier at the same time can you? If I was a Chicago thug politician I’d choose Chicago over Arlington too.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:50 am 1:50 am
Not at all. What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 1:46:34 AM
When things get serious… they head south…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 1:49:02 AM
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I know english comprehension is a problem for you . .. but I’m not interested in your imagination, I’m interested in facts.
What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Lionel Ritchie singing America the Beautiful on the National Stage tonight… Mr. Obama… Where are you?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Nice try tierra, do you even play to hang your American flag on Memorial Day? I certainly do and like I do on Veteran’s Day and every major American occasion I bring all my kids out with me to do it. That’s what Americans do.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Game 2 Chicago Blackhawks vs. Philadelphia Flyers MONDAY. You can’t have a tailgater AND lay the wreath on the tomb of the unknown soldier at the same time can you? If I was a Chicago thug politician I’d choose Chicago over Arlington too.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010 1:50:04 AM
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I think the President fully understands the solemn honor – and I think people like EPU are out to smear the President while at the same time insulting the soldiers and families Obama is honoring. He wants to dimish the honor the President has shown.
Show some class. Get your head out of your . …
It rhymes.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:52 am 1:52 am
So why do you suppose the system in a nation of about 30 million, overwhelming white people can be scaled up to serve a nation of over 300 million racially diverse Americans?
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 1:44:56 AM
What does that have to with anything? The recent health insurance reform is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE THE CANADIAN SYSTEM. My time would be better spent discussing the issue with a fence post if you’re so far off in right field you don’t know that.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Did he appear last year???? Funny, I can’t recall…
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 12:48:24 AM
Not really, just more support for my earlier assertion that you are deliberately ignorant of anything good Obama does (like his Memorial day activities at Arlington last year).
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010 1:07:09 AM
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He was in the same dopey haze.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:55 am 1:55 am
tierra, nice try broadbrushing my statements, but guess what? I’m not a republican. Go judge some other political cheerleader.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Once again a CBS poll reports that 60% of Americans do not believe Obama’s health care reform bill will benefit them. Now ask yourself, is this a democracy or a banana republic?
Check it out for yourself:
EPU | May 31, 2010 1:42:02 AM
BWHAHAHAHAHA! You’re referencing an internet non-random poll question. That’s hilarious. Sure thing that’s accurate – and Ron Paul won the 2008 election by a landslide…
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 1:57 am 1:57 am
What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 1:51:00 AM
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Like you tierra, those interested in prolonging their lives will borrow whatever it takes to get treatment south of the border… For the moment it is the USA, soon it will be Mexico, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Poland, wherever freedom still breathes… but NOT CANADA… on the other hand,if you have a skinned knee… no problem…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 1:58 am 1:58 am
that’s okay tierra believes that .01% of recorded figures is enough to bring big government in to solve all our problems. Obama’s health bill is a product of our elitist socialists on steroids.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010, 2:02 am 2:02 am
What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
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No figures yet?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:02 am 2:02 am
that’s okay tierra believes that .01% of recorded figures is enough to bring big government in to solve all our problems.
Posted by: EPU | May 31, 2010 2:02:08 AM
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I didn’t make that argument at all.
What percentage of Canadians come to the U.S. for treatment? Please show me the figures.
No figures yet?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:04 am 2:04 am
“Obama’s health bill is a product of our elitist socialists on steroids”
I think it was the product of courage by Democrats against the right-wing propaganda machine.
Posted by: Skip | May 31, 2010, 2:06 am 2:06 am
No figures yet?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 2:04:44 AM
100 percent of Canadians with the will to live, and with the ability to finance the cost travel south to the USA to get treatment with life-threatening disease for which they have been put on a waiting list in Canada… They ae often treated by physicians and nurses trained in Canada but who have immigrated (thank you Canada).
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 2:14 am 2:14 am
100 percent of Canadians with the will to live, and with the ability to finance the cost travel south to the USA to get treatment with life-threatening disease for which they have been put on a waiting list in Canada…
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 2:14:29 AM
Do you know any Canadians? Because the only one I know who had a life threatening disease high tailed it from the US back to Canada to get treatment and rehabilitation. And he had no waits at all – the reason there are long waiting lists in Canada is because the life-threatening diseases are pushed to the front of the line.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 2:18 am 2:18 am
A typical waiting list procedure in countries with universal care would be a hip replacement.
One thing we know about the American system – if you don’t have health insurance, or aren’t rich – the waiting time for a hip replacement is . . . forever.
In Canada, everyone is covered and you may have to wait a matter of months.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:24 am 2:24 am
I guess that’s why so many Mexicans are coming to Canada and the United States – to escape all that freedom.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 2:01:50 AM
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So you have a problem with illegal immigration too…?
Actually the Mexicans are fleeing lack of economic opportunity… not lack of freedom…
Mexicans,in their own country are actually freer than Americans… fewer nanny state regulations… The problem they have is corruption at all levels of government… and the lack of any apparent sense of community… I can’t explain it… can you?
It’s the same thing with cheap labor… if cheap labor is so good, why is Mexico struggling….?
BTW why do you find it necessary to combine your responses to any post with a personal insult? Do you lack any confidence in your argument?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 2:29 am 2:29 am
The problem they have is corruption at all levels of government…
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So that’s your definition of freedom? I guess that’s why you liked the Bush administration.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:32 am 2:32 am
So that’s your definition of freedom? I guess that’s why you liked the Bush administration.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 2:32:10 AM
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So cute… do you ever engage in serious discussion…?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 2:34 am 2:34 am
and the lack of any apparent sense of community…
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Wouldn’t you say that’s something that is disappearing in America? Suburbs are not communities. The media teaches people to be afraid of everyone, not trust anyone. The Republican right tries to scare people into thinking Democrats are evil commies out to destroy the country.
My experiences in Mexico seemed to show lots of community, strong families.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:37 am 2:37 am
In Canada, everyone is covered and you may have to wait a matter of months.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 2:24:06 AM
Or until you die…
The average wait for a maternity bed is 11 months… so they contract with clinics in the US….
If you have breast cancer… you are not going to go on the waiting list… you are going to borrow whatever you need and head south to the USA…. soon that option will be closed…. Se habla espagnol???
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 2:40 am 2:40 am
My experiences in Mexico seemed to show lots of community, strong families.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010 2:37:47 AM
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Strong families yes…. but look at the homes… the first thing they do is build a fence right out to the street… every thing inside the fence is neat and clean, but outside the fence is dirty and litter strewn…
You can drive down the streets in America and pick out the recent immigrants the same way… they all have the fence…
Sort of like Candide and his garden…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010, 2:45 am 2:45 am
A typical waiting list procedure in countries with universal care would be a hip replacement.
One thing we know about the American system – if you don’t have health insurance, or aren’t rich – the waiting time for a hip replacement is . . . forever.
tierra | May 31, 2010 2:24:06 AM
Not true – you just have to be old enough to qualify for Medicare. That’s right, when a Republican trots out how the wait time in America for a new hip is less than half that in Canada you should agree, and point out that the vast majority of hip replacements in the US (almost 64%) are paid for by the government run public insurance plan: Medicare.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 2:45 am 2:45 am
The average wait for a maternity bed is 11 months… so they contract with clinics in the US….
Quo Warranto? | May 31, 2010 2:40:28 AM
That statistic is absurd. Back it up. Define exactly what you mean by “the average wait for a maternity bed is 11 months.” Are you so far disconnected from reality that you are claiming that the average Canadian has to reserve a maternity bed two months before they conceive a child? That is what you are basing your argument on – wildly inaccurate and laughable impossible ‘facts’?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 31, 2010, 2:52 am 2:52 am
every thing inside the fence is neat and clean, but outside the fence is dirty and litter strewn…
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They don’t seem to be as good at hiding their garbage as we are. But then again, they don’t produce as much as we do, nor waste as much.
My impression is cultures that have gone from agrarian to ‘modern plastic packaging’ culture have trouble with all the packaging. In an agrarian culture almost everything is quickly biodegradable, plastic and packaging is not.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:57 am 2:57 am
Is it only me or what, the president usually participates in the ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery to honor our military. I feel a bit insulted that he feels it is unimportant though we send our boys out to war and yet the president is not available to respect those on a national holiday. We are at war and he chooses a Chicago BBQ
Posted by: Mike | May 31, 2010, 4:05 am 4:05 am
Posted by: Mike | May 31, 2010 4:05:32 AM
The President will lay a wreath and delivery a Memorial Day address at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery – one of our national veteran’s cemeteries.
I’m sure you don’t think the fallen soldiers at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery are somehow less deserving?
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 4:11 am 4:11 am
It’s not uncommon for the President to miss Memorial day at Arlington. G. H. and G. W. Bush both missed it as did Reagan. If you’re offended that Obama missed it, be offended that they missed it too.
Posted by: coffeebreath | May 31, 2010, 8:10 am 8:10 am
“the average wait for a maternity bed is 11 months.”
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Got to give you that one, jw!
Posted by: smartlillena | May 31, 2010, 8:53 am 8:53 am
My impression is cultures that have gone from agrarian to ‘modern plastic packaging’ culture have trouble with all the packaging. In an agrarian culture almost everything is quickly biodegradable, plastic and packaging is not.
Posted by: tierra
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To put it simpler – when dumped over the fence it don’t rot. Edsels never did rot, they grew roots.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 31, 2010, 9:17 am 9:17 am
As I recall, there has not been any criticism of previous presidents that did not go to “Arlington” on Memorial Day. Get REAL idiots…the soldiers buried outside of Chicago in a Military Cemetery is NO LESS than those Buried at Arlington. They are ALL SOLDIERS who sacrificed SO much for ALL of us. I recall Reagan and George I (king of the least competent political dynasty “regime”)didn’t go to Arlington. For all the angry…I say, boy, BO sure in the hell had NO Hand in making POLICIES for our country that is NOW FALLING APART ONE by ONE, that was made by the “right-ones” for decades.
Posted by: sara | May 31, 2010, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Excuses, excuses, excuses! Doesn’t it get tiring after awhile? Day 42!
Posted by: Mario | May 31, 2010, 9:49 am 9:49 am
It seems Obama has created a whole new reason for the “duck and cover” exercise practiced in the 60′s by SCHOOL CHILDREN..
Posted by: Parallex View | May 31, 2010, 10:15 am 10:15 am
No time for Arlington Cemetery during a war, no time to meet with the Governor of Arizona over our open border, and no time for the people of Louisana. Plenty of time to play basketball, meet athletics and rock stars, entertain at the White House, and take vacations.
Posted by: Kaymar | May 31, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Bush Jr. missed it ONE TIME. Why you asked??? No, he was not on personal time at a friends BBQ but in France, 2002, paying repects to the Battle of Normandy…Clinton missed ZERO times…In times of conflict, should attend every one to show support to our military…
Posted by: Parallex View | May 31, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
There is no excuse that this President missed Arlington this weekend others did it BUT we are at war,oil is leaking, Our boarders are not secure .This one President is nothing but a play boy,he likes using Air Force 1 on various Vacations Loves to entertain He is just there for the glory.Its sad we have him in the White House he is destroying this country with his socialism His ideas,His dictationg attitude.He is useless .America lets vote him out before we are destroyed.As for Isreal they did what they had to this weekend.I wish we had their leader for the United States,rather then this BOY KID ODUMA.
Posted by: Joeray | May 31, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am
tierra,jhw,mama et.al.- do really think that leaving Washington while highly-publicized attempts to stop the spill fail is a smart move?Do you really think it looks good for Obama to be vacationing in Chicago while Israel may be on the verge of a Masada moment?What happens if Turkey and Israel go at it?
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
No golf?
The last thing Obama wants is a picture of him on the golf course while the Gulf dies.
I bet it’s killing him.
Obama can’t even play golf.
Being a celebrity president isn’t so much fun anymore.
Posted by: hank | May 31, 2010, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
I would rather see Biden at Arlington than Obama.
At least Biden seems sincere.
You could prop up a cardboard cutout of Obama and stick it in front of the teleprompters, and get just as much emotion.
Posted by: ollie | May 31, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
It took Obama almost 40 days to come out of hiding and answer questions about the oil spill.
He’s hiding from the AZ governor, hiding the truth about Sestak.
It will probably be another 9-10 months before Obama has another press conference.
The stress of being president probably isn’t so bad when you’ve got the MSM
constantly covering for you.
Posted by: fran | May 31, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Being a celebrity president isn’t so much fun anymore.
Posted by: hank | May 31, 2010 1:37:59 PM
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It didn’t stop Bush.
“We gonna git them terrorists . .. now watch me hit this drive.”
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I hope Obama gets back in time for the Paul McCartney concert.
Obama has his priorities you know.
Meeting with the governor of Arizona must not be part of his job description.
Posted by: tyler | May 31, 2010, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Bush looked arrogant and tone deaf when he did “now watch this drive”.
But Obama takes the cake on arrogance and detachment. Never seen a president so out of touch with regular everyday people.
I bet someone had to tell him to stay off the golf course for awhile.
Obama just doesn’t get it.
Posted by: greg c | May 31, 2010, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Bush looked arrogant and tone deaf when he did “now watch this drive”.
But Obama takes the cake on arrogance and detachment. Never seen a president so out of touch with regular everyday people.
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The current President has not even come close to Bush thinking it was funny to joke about the weapons of mass destruction being hidden under his desk – after thousands of Americans had died without those weapons ever being found.
This President is heads above the last – too much alcohol and big oil and banking family money and privilege for Bush to have a good sense of reality.
Posted by: tierra | May 31, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Well, Obama’s great “event” in Chicago got washed out.
Whose bright idea was it to send the sitting president of the United States out in a LIGHTNING storm with an umbrella to tell the people they needed to get in out of the rain?
Posted by: LweatonNC | May 31, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
tierra-”too much alcohol”? Bush stopped drinking before he was elected Governor.On the other hand,one of the few medical records on Obama is from his last physical,when even his physician advised “moderation in alcohol”.Why do you think he would need to do that?Obama is an admitted cocaine abuser from his college days-do you want to roll back the timeline for him like you do for Bush?
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010 12:16:04 PM
What I really think is that the right is relentless and fanatical in its hypocrisy and hating on the President. It happened to the Clintons, too, but strikes me as even worse with Obama in office.
In fairness, Bush became very unpopular and the left certainly held his feet to the fire— but we rallied around him after 9/11 and I gave him a real chance despite my disappointment in the ultimate results of the messed up 2000 election and recount. I never once complained about his vacations, visits home to keep in touch with his roots ad reality, or his exercise/rest and relaxation. I complained about policy, warmongering, and saber rattling.
We elect human beings to the most powerful and stressful job in the world. They age faster than normal before our very eyes.
I’m very concerned about the oil spill and the situation with/attack on the Gaza flotilla of ships carrying aid. I’ve said my prayers. Ranting about the President or the rain in Chicago or some other crazy tangential thing doesn’t strike me as fruitful.
I’ll stick to reminding people that moving backwards by trusting or voting in more of those associated with the GOP and their failed policies won’t solve our problems.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 31, 2010, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
I think it is just rediculous that the president did not lay the wreath in Arlington cemetery. He can go to Chicago any time of the year. This ceremony happens once a year and it is traditional that the Commander in Chief place the wreath at the tomb. the date is on he calender every year, and you mean to tell me that going to a barbecue in Chicago is more important than the ceremony? Where is this guys morales. I’m a veteran, who served 6 yrs. at Ft. Bragg,and in the Gulf war. This is a disgrace to the men and women of the armed forces now and before.It may be a little different if it was official business. No political spin can excuse this kind of behavior. he is calling for change, but some things just don’t need to be changed. That’s a neglect of duty that he performed. what an outrage!
Posted by: anthony williams | May 31, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
mama,why would Obama’s doctor advise moderation in alcohol if there wasn’t a problem? Canadian tierra brought this up,not me!
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010 5:05:52 PM
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a ….
Posted by: progressive mama | May 31, 2010, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Bobby Jindal has shown great leadership throughout this whole Gulf disaster.
Obama not so much.
His idea of leadership is to read off the prompter, recite talking points, and play with tar balls on the beach.
Jindal has been presidential.
Obama has been on the sidelines hiding from the press.
Posted by: greg c | May 31, 2010, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
So it is OK for tierra to smear President Bush about EtOH?Double standard?
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Double standard?
Posted by: Nephron | May 31, 2010 8:23:56 PM
I don’t micromanage others’ posts– but, full disclosure,I don’t always agree with the other Obama supporters and progressives who post here, on a variety of topics. And yet, I find them to be very intelligent and I’m in common cause with many of them on many things– so I’ll simply note it isn’t my choice to go there. Imho her posts to some degree are meant to remind folks suffering from collective amnesia what went down during the 00′s. But I never resented his vacations, and I admire his ability to overcome any problems he may have had with alcohol. I consider anything prior to his presidency really off topic and not worth discussing. His policies and the results are what I found– find– highly problematic
Posted by: progressive mama | May 31, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Nephron, I am far from a fan of Obama, but I do not think that there is anything particularly revealing in his doctor suggesting alcohol in moderation. My own physician has made similar comments through the years, and I rarely drink at all. I think that’s just sort of standard advice, not some smoking gun.
Posted by: moderate | May 31, 2010, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
i am really upset that obama didn’t show his face at Arlington on memorial day. he is suppose to be our president, the leader and commander in chief, of our country and he has not supported our country and has just made things worst, i am really upset he need to be impeached if he does not care about America don’t make a mistake and keep on in next year.
Posted by: baybgirl24 | June 2, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Just because he didn’t go to the traditional Arlington Cemetery on Memorial Day, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care and isn’t doing his patriotic duties as our president. He still payed homage to fallen soldiers, and that’s all that should matter.
Posted by: Kayla | June 4, 2010, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm