One Off: Terrorism’s political lines drawn anew
By Rick Klein: What happens when a lone wolf gets some company? (Can you get a recount when a “one-off” is just a little bit off?) It’s a week where the full resources and policy stances of the federal government are being tested — a pair of unexpected events, on opposite sides of the East Coast, forcing quick judgments and real-world applications of sometimes vague and legalistic principles. It could have been a lot worse — both in terms of the human toll in Times Square, and the political toll that would have come had a suspected terrorist escaped the country, only days after a worsening oil spill brought new scrutiny on a certain hulking department. Events are driving policy this week: Expanded offshore oil drilling won’t be happening any sooner than 9/11 trials in Lower Manhattan. As for the politics, the debate over rights and treatment of terrorist suspects has not been a comfortable one for Democrats in the past. And Republicans would love to get back into that groove — but there’s a hint of hesitation, maybe stemming from the fact that, once again, the system (for all its flaws) seems to have worked. The split-screen crises present “a delicate challenge of management and message at a moment when the country's mistrust of government is running high,” Karen Tumulty writes in The Washington Post. “There have been times when you could practically hear the gears grinding as administration officials dodged the potholes appearing before them.” “For many Americans, this could go down as the scariest week of the Obama presidency. But depending on how well Obama and his team do, it might also be an opportunity.” Peter Baker, in The New York Times: “The arrest of a suspect in the attempted Times Square car bombing revived the volatile political debate over terrorism policy on Tuesday, as President Obama’s supporters and critics squared off over how the nation should handle those plotting against it. … The handling of Mr. Shahzad touched off the same sort of argument that followed the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a passenger jet bound for Detroit.” Time's Tony Karon, Massimo Calabresi, Mark Thompson: “The Times Square car bomb failed to detonate, but it could yet cause political reverberations around two questions: Should the government have known about the plot and its alleged perpetrator? And does using the rules of the criminal-justice system against a man accused of plotting a terror attack against America leave the country more vulnerable? So far, the answers to both questions seem to be breaking in favor of the Obama Administration, but it's early days yet. Stephen F. Hayes and Thomas Joscelyn, in The Weekly Standard: “Why does the Obama administration — and its allies on the left — go to such lengths to portray these kinds of attacks as the work of isolated extremists?” (Flashback to Sunday: “Right now, we have no evidence that it is anything other than a one-off, but we are alerting state, local officials around the country, letting them know what is going on,” Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told Jake Tapper, on ABC’s “This Week.”) New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, to ABC’s Robin Roberts on “Good Morning America” Wednesday: “He was lost for a period of time. That’s not unusual in these investigations.” If Shahzad’s plane had taken off, “he would have been detained in Dubai,” Kelly said. “I know it’s an exciting part of the case and easy to second-guess, but the fact of the matter is he was apprehended in 53 hours. I think that’s pretty good work.” Pre-positioning some assets… Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.: “Don't give this guy his Miranda rights until we find out what it's all about.” Senate candidate Marco Rubio, R-Fla., doing the rounds in Washington: “If this individual has information that helps prevent future attacks and loss of life, nothing should stand in the way of that including Miranda.” Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.: “If they [investigators] make a judgment that this was a terrorist act, the person should be turned over to the military.”
And/but… Glenn Beck: “He has all the rights under the Constitution. We don’t shred the Constitution when it’s popular.” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.: “We’re tough on terrorists. That’s our policy. That’s our performance. And, in fact, we’ve been more successful.” The pushback: “Administration officials said Shahzad, who, like Abdulmutallab, was initially responsive to questioning under a ‘public safety exception’ to the Miranda rule, continued to cooperate after his rights were read to him. They also pointed out that Shahzad is a U.S. citizen and must be tried in civilian, not military, court,” The Washington Post’s Jerry Markon and Spencer S. Hsu report. “Officials canceled Shahzad's scheduled appearance in Manhattan federal court amid his reported dialogue with agents. It was unclear whether a lawyer had been appointed for him; he is scheduled to face a judge on Thursday at the earliest.” “Officials refused to say how long the questioning took place before federal agents administered Miranda warnings – informing Shahzad of his right to remain silent and consult a lawyer. They said that sometime on Tuesday he was transported from his initial interrogation site to a different location, where Miranda warnings were given,” Walter Richey writes in the Christian Science Monitor. Wanting answers: “The decisions the administration has made in this case may have been well considered by all responsible parties and well founded. But the public is entitled to understand in greater detail what choices the administration made, through what process, and why,” The Washington Post editorial reads. This is the new, enhanced system? ABC’s Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller: “Senior administration officials say that Faisal Shahzad was put on the no fly list on Monday at 12:30 pm ET. So how was he able to board the Emirates Airlines flight to Dubai?
‘It takes a few hours for the airlines system to catch up,’ a senior administration official tells ABC News.” Lee Hamilton, to ABC News: “We’ve done a pretty good job on the first part of it people entering the country. But with regard to those exiting the country we simply have not been able to set up a system to deal with that and it showed in this case.” The New York Post ID’s a motive: “It was payback… Admitted terrorist Faisal Shahzad — who copped to training in explosives in the past year with Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, the leading extremist Islamic group in his native Pakistan — said he was driven to evil by the slew of deaths among leaders of the terror group, law-enforcement sources revealed yesterday.” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank counted to 11: “That's the number of times the people onstage thanked one another and everybody else, from the street vendors in New York who spotted the smoking SUV to the reporters in the room. Add in the various other forms of commendation and attaboys/attagirls, and a whole lot of celebrating was going on in the halls of Justice on Tuesday.” Politico’s Josh Gerstein: “The public statements about comments Shahzad made during questioning are unusual and go against the grain of usual Justice Department practice. But such details have been discussed more in public since Holder and others in the Obama administration faced withering criticism over the brevity of the 50-minute interrogation of Christmas Day airplane bombing suspect Omar Abdulmutallab.” Lingering out there…. “Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistan-born American citizen arrested on suspicion of being Times Square's would-be May Day bomber, did not act alone,” Timothy Noah writes for Slate. “It would appear that a second shoe has dropped.” And — if he says so… Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad tells ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington, DC. … He’s there, because he’s a previous partner of Mr. Bush. … Rest assured that he’s in Washington.” He sees daylight inside the administration: “Mrs. Clinton is interested in speedily moving relations with Iran to the point of a clash. Based on the information we possess, Mr. Obama does not have such an opinion,” Ahmadinejad said. About that other crisis — moving things along? “Some environmentalists and liberal lawmakers believe the BP oil spill has handed President Obama a significant political opportunity to renew his stalled energy and climate bill, and are urging him to push for sweeping legislation to move the country away from reliance on oil and other fossil fuels,” the Los Angeles Times’ Jim Tankersley reports. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: “I think it should spur it on. We have to — we have to take care of this issue. I am amazed at how difficult it seems to be to get people interested in alternative energy.” Unless: “Lawmakers said the catastrophic spill could further dim the White House's hopes for securing legislation aimed at reducing U.S. consumption of oil and other fossil fuels, by making it impossible to forge a compromise that includes expanded undersea drilling,” Jonathan Weisman reports in The Wall Street Journal. We’ll have some time to think about it… “As British Petroleum executives fanned out across Capitol Hill Tuesday in an effort to contain the growing political fallout from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, the company's CEO acknowledged it could take three months to fix the damaged well,”Patricia Murphy writes for Politics Daily. White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer: “BP is responsible for — and will be held accountable for – all of the very significant clean-up and containment costs. They will pay for the mess they’ve made. … Beyond clean-up and containment, BP must be held responsible for the damages this spill causes. To help make sure of that, the Administration – in the context of a comprehensive energy bill which would help move us to a clean energy future — strongly supports efforts on Capitol Hill to raise the Oil Pollution Act damages cap significantly above $75 million.” Testing the tea — after a day where the establishment ended up doing OK… ABC Polling Director Gary Langer, on the new numbers: “Twenty-seven percent of Americans support the Tea Party, this ABC News/Washington Post poll finds, including 17 percent who back it ‘strongly’ and just 2 percent who say they're active participants. Its backers overwhelmingly reject the Obama administration, and many voice dissatisfaction with Washington, favor smaller government and express economic anxiety.” “While that reflects a motivated political base, the movement's broader appeal is in question. Nearly as many Americans oppose the Tea Party as support it. More say they like it less, rather than more, as they hear more about it. Far more are tuning it out than are highly interested. And association with the Tea Party may cost congressional candidates more votes than it attracts, particularly among better-educated Americans, whose election turnout tends to be high.” Rounding up the first big primary day of the year… ABC’s David Chalian: “The primary voters in Ohio, North Carolina, and Indiana didn’t put much for that anti-Washington, anti-establishment fervor on display Tuesday. The national party committees came out on top in all three states.” “Neither former Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.) nor Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher (D-Ohio) scored terribly convincing victories over their underfunded primary opponents but, in winning, they cleared a necessary hurdle and in so doing beat back challenges from their party's activist base,” Chris Cillizza writes at “The Fix” blog. “Turnout was exceptionally light in Ohio and North Carolina, a possible indication that the anger fueling voters across the country over economic woes, persistently high unemployment and Congress itself wasn't translating into votes — and, perhaps, the limited influence of the conservatives and libertarians who make up the fledgling tea party coalition,” the AP’s Liz Sidoti and Deanna Martin write. In North Carolina: “Democratic U.S. Senate candidates Elaine Marshall and Cal Cunningham will settle their campaign rivalry in a head-to-head runoff,” the AP’s Mike Baker reports. “Marshall and Lewis rose to the top of a crowded primary Tuesday that drew a half-dozen candidates looking to unseat Republican Sen. Richard Burr. Marshall, the secretary of state, led Tuesday night's unofficial results with 37 percent of the vote and Cunningham, a former state senator, ran 10 percentage points behind. Attorney Ken Lewis was in third place with 17 percent of the vote.” In Indiana: “Former Sen. Dan Coats won the Republican Senate nomination, but not in the commanding fashion that might be expected for a political veteran with the strong backing of the Republican establishment. Coats, who was a senator from 1989 to 1999, ran up against Tea Party activists and conservatives who backed Marlin Stutzman, a small businessman and former state senator, and former Indiana Rep. John Hostettler,” McClatchy’s Steven Thomma writes. In Ohio — though it’s not just the case there… “Tea Party activists who had rallied against the Ohio Republican Party didn't make a significant difference in statewide races on Tuesday, as GOP-endorsed candidates cruised to victory,” Joe Guillen reports in The Plain Dealer. Looking ahead — Politico’s Alexander Burns: “Last night wasn't an easy one for establishment favorites, but just wait until the Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Arkansas primaries 13 days from today. Polls released Tuesday from both the Pennsylvania and Kentucky Senate races revealed unsettling numbers for both parties' preferred candidates.” On the air — President Obama has cut a radio ad for Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., and a robocall for “a Democrat” in the Hawaii special, ABC’s Teddy Davis and Matt Loffman report. (How does that help things, exactly, when the fact that there are two Democrats on the ballot is the problem?) More of what’s mixing it up in Arkansas: “Americans for Job Security … this week it unrolled a spot that can’t help but be described as racist,” Neera Tanden writes for The New Republic. “The ad targets Bill Halter, who is running in the Arkansas Democratic primary against Senator Blanche Lincoln. It features Indian actors — in Indian outfits, with Indian accents, with images of India behind them. They thank Halter for his support of outsourcing to Bangalore while he served as the director of an unnamed company.” More Florida fallout –per the AP: “Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is endorsing Marco Rubio's campaign for U.S. Senate. Bush, still popular and influential with Florida Republicans, has long been rumored to be a Rubio backer, but his endorsement comes less than a week after Gov. Charlie Crist decided to run as an independent rather than face Rubio in the GOP primary.” Laura Bush sits down with USA Today’s Susan Page: “She singles out Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for calling her husband a ‘liar’ and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for questioning his judgment, knowledge and experience,” Page writes. “I think it's really important for public officials to use some sort of decorum, for all of them to,” Laura Bush said. “George did. He would have never called anyone names like that, ever — certainly not the Leader and the Speaker. I mean, that's just not constructive. And we see it today. It's still happening today. It wasn't just about George. Now it's about the other side.”
The Kicker: “Anyone who has ever used email understands that you don’t control all incoming messages, and that subject lines often are used to mislead people into opening messages that defy decency.” — Florida state Sen. Mike Bennet, after a reporter caught him looking at a pornographic picture on his computer during a legislative debate. “Now we know that Jack Bauer can do it in 24 minutes. But in the real world, 53 hours is a — is a pretty good number.” — New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, almost getting a pop culture reference right.
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Republicans just plain look bad going after the president when his administration and local police offiails turned in a flawless performance in stopping this guy. How is Obama supposed to stop every nut with fireworks in an SUV before they make an atempt? The suspect was ripped of of that plane, and that’s all that mattes.
Posted by: matt | May 5, 2010, 8:42 am 8:42 am
*** How is Obama supposed to stop every nut with fireworks in an SUV before they make an atempt? The suspect was ripped of of that plane, and that’s all that mattes.
Posted by: matt | May 5, 2010 8:42:25 AM
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It isn’t a case of the suspect being “ripped” off a plane and captured oafter-the-fact. Besides that the only reason the bomb itself didn’t cause damagae was because the guy wasn’t trained properly and didn’t buy the right kind of fertilizer as the ignition source and so the propane tanks and gas can in the SUV didn’t create the fireball as intended.
Its a sad day that the government is praising itself for apprehending a terroist, when the only thing that saved the people of New York from a dealy attack was the terrorists ignorance.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | May 5, 2010, 8:58 am 8:58 am
I guarantee it will come out this guy had some kind of ties to the US government, wouldn’t suprise me if he got his funding and training from our military or C.I.A.
Posted by: Sideeous | May 5, 2010, 8:59 am 8:59 am
matt, the bomb didn’t explode….
Posted by: LongT | May 5, 2010, 9:06 am 9:06 am
“but there’s a hint of hesitation, maybe stemming from the fact that, once again, the system (for all its flaws) seems to have worked.”
This sentence made my skin crawl. Does anyone else feel as though the Republican Party is being cast as rooting for an environmental or terrorist catastrophe? As though they are hoping for some crisis they can use to their political advatage? Are Republicans really that craven? I don’t want to believe this. I don’t.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 9:16 am 9:16 am
***I guarantee it will come out this guy had some kind of ties to the US government, wouldn’t suprise me if he got his funding and training from our military or C.I.A.
Posted by: Sideeous | May 5, 2010 8:59:43 AM***
…excuse me?
Just a quick seach on this guy shows he came to the US on a student visa in 1998, stayed in school until 2002 when his visa was converted to a skilled workers visa. Granted a green card in 2006 and became a citizen in April 2009.
Until 2006 he was working at Elizibeth Arden as an accountant. From 2006-June of 2009 he worked as a finaicial analyst at Affinion group. After June of 2009 he quit working there and moved back to Pakistan.
Now I know that sensationalism can get the better of us sometimes, but if you do want to start vague rumors you might want to add some truth to it to make it more believable. Just a thought.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | May 5, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Amy in Maine; We have an environmental catastrophe in progress. The federal government is still “monitoring” the situation. The situation is projected to get worse. The fisheries and tourism industries in at least four coastal states will be adversely affected as will the seafood market and the foodservice operators that depend on it all over our nation and the world. Conspiracy? I don’t think so. Letting the spill reach land without government effort to stop it? It’s happening. The spill needs to be contained and can be contained but only BP is making an effort. Yes BP is liable but our government has an obligation to protect the environment regardless of who’s to blame. The administration has an agenda that includes stopping the use of carbon base fuels and raising billions of dollars of revenue through cap and trade legislation that will render existing American industry uncompetitive with other nations that have no restrictions on carbon emissions. This crisis will not be wasted. Enough said?
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Did they use tools provided under the Patriot Act to track and find this recent terrorist? Does this change the minds of those who were against it?
Posted by: tillyerkt | May 5, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am
gollywiggle
Are you serious? You do know the coast guard is a federal agency? The coast guard is working its tail off to protect the coast. The federal government is doing everything it can to stop the destruction. Are you really betting against your own country? Just because you don’t like Obama? And by the way, what’s not to like? He’s a good man.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Are Republicans really that craven? I don’t want to believe this. I don’t.
—-posted by Amy in Maine
No, Republicans are not wishing for the US to experience some horrible disaster to use politically.
But your skin was correct to crawl, just as mine did. The media IS trying to plant such a negative thought into the minds of Americans. I’m getting fed up with the biased misrepresentation of all Republicans by media sources.
I don’t like most of President Obama’s policies and decisions, but that doesn’t mean I hate him or want the US to fail just to make him look bad. My opinion of any POTUS does not alter my love of the US.
Posted by: malcat | May 5, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am
malcat
Well said.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Amy in Maine; No bets required. The facts speak for themselves. The coast guard was on the scene on April 20 and viewed the oil slick which should have been all the information source the government needed to realize what was going on would be a disastrous situation unless the slick was contained. The platform deep sixed on April 23 which made it obvious repairs would be near impossible so the leakage would be long term. No reaction for over a week. So was our government in denial or did it recognize this opportunity to push its agenda? So who benefits if this is a big deal? As BP was dispatching all its ships to lay out containment booms and vacuum up and/or disperse the spillage our government hesitated a full week to even acknowledge that there was significant spillage/leakage. It’s now been two weeks and a majority of the offshore area in the gulf near Louisiana and Mississippi is now covered with oil. It’s heading for Florida and currents will take it around the tip of Florida and up the East coast. Maybe you’ll get a taste in Maine. It’s too late now and too late is when the government decided to get involved. No, I don’t want to see this happen. I am an outdoorsman who enjoys fishing the estuaries and eating seafood. I further enjoy the outdoor activities because of the scenic beauty of the fauna and flora. I sincerely believe an all out immediate response to this disaster could have headed off the inevitable extensive environmental damage that is coming. With so much potential for damage immediately apparent why did our government hesitate? We can catch a lone wolf terrorist, the most undetectable kind in 57 hours, yet we can’t recognize the significance of a major oil spill for a week? This is not the first oil spill we’ve seen. Excuse my impertinence but the proverbial ball was dropped.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Republicans just plain look bad going after the president when his administration and local police offiails turned in a flawless performance in stopping this guy. How is Obama supposed to stop every nut with fireworks in an SUV before they make an atempt? The suspect was ripped of of that plane, and that’s all that mattes. posted by matt
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Law enforcement did a fantastic job after the car was found. To ID and arrest him as fast as they did was spectacular.
But it was not flawless. The guy was identified, but his passport was not flagged. That should have been done immediately…as in within a minute of getting his name.
Posted by: malcat | May 5, 2010, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Posted by: matt | May 5, 2010 8:42:25 AM
“performance in stopping this guy”
from flying away, but not from placing a potential bomb in the middle of NY
Posted by: Lizzie | May 5, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Lizzie…Yes, I agree that the government did nothing to stop him from putting the car and bomb in place. Since I still don’t have all the facts of what kind of trail he left that should have been detected, I will hold off criticism for that part of this for now.
But law enforcement did a fantastic job of finding clues and following-up on leads to quickly identify Shahzad as the perp. They also did a good job of finding his name on a passenger list and acting quickly to bring the plane back so he could be arrested here.
Posted by: malcat | May 5, 2010, 11:31 am 11:31 am
There is absolutely no way we an stop all threats but to be vigilent like the vendor who noticed the smoke in the car will help. if you listened to Major general Paul Eaton, head of Intl. Security Dept. last night, he praised our president in the calm manner he handled this incident. He feels that threats incite the enemy but Obama left the impression that we are united and not going to back off our vigilance. He did, however, say that the republicans especially Mc Cain are not doing the country any good with their criticism of how this was handled. It shows weakness and we should be supporting our president. Could Bush have stopped 9/11? Was he negligent? No one accused him of this, however, it if was Obama all hell and condemnation would occur. Bush was not negligent, he could not have stopped it and neither can President Obama. All we can do is be vigilent and be on our toes to, hopefully prevenet what we can. What happened to the country who stood by our president especially in this kind of circumstances? I think this is sad and the republicans know they are using it for political reasons and so do everyone else. If anyone is making us look weak…it is they.
Posted by: talmag | May 5, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
People are saying “they hate how media is interpreting republicans in a biased light.” Well Fox news does the opposite of portraying Democrats in a biased light so it becomes a fair game for the other side to portray republicans biased.
If Republicans don’t want to be portrayed negatively then I suggest you call in Fox news and conservative pundits such as Rush Limbaugh to stop portraying Democrats negatively. The liberal side might then reciprocate.
The only way for all forms of media to be less biased is something like the fairness doctrine. But then you all would complain your political voices would be stifled. Either side will have to accept the political criticisms even if they are biased or not. Or else all forms of media will have to be responsible, which is something I don’t see in the future.
Posted by: ExCIAMan | May 5, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Facts do not lie. How many terrorists have been caught or killed so far in the Obama Administratio? Compared with the previous administration?
How many Americans have died in terrorist attacks comparing both administrations?
A terrorist was identified and captured within 54 hours. Righties have to think twice when even Glenn Beck is defending the constitution. We know when Righties are desperate.
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
I am a Republican. I do not listen to Limbaugh, Beck, Olberman, Maddow or any of the ‘celebrity talking heads’. I prefer to listen to actual news and panels consisting of experts.
I find it appalling that so many cling to the childish belief that someone doing wrong means it’s ‘fair game’ for others to do wrong.
Johnny pushing Alice doesn’t give Janie the right to push Billy.
That’s how adults should think anyway.
Posted by: malcat | May 5, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
I will give you an Independent view. The bomb failed to detonate…period. For all the praise the media and Obama has given, that is the result, it failed. The SUV was called in because it was smoking and a store owner called the cops. The guy was apprehended because the counter clerk alerted authorities when he paid cash for the ticket. They did catch the guy, but praising our “system worked” is giving a false sense of security. Now, red flags. He lived here and his family 12000 miles away. Became a citizen, lost his job and travelled to Pakistan within one month. Stayed there 4 months (big flag). Had nothing to come back to, but returned without his family. Now, given we have the Patriot Act, CIA and FBI profilers and reasonable resources, should we have at least been watching him? Bottom
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Bottom line is the bomb failed to detonate and we got lucky. IMO, we need to start profiling. Is it not the young Muslims Al Qaeda and now the Taliban are trying to utilize? I would say his situation deserved our attention.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
“”"”"”As though they are hoping for some crisis they can use to their political advatage? “”"”"”
Posted by: Amy in Maine
You mean like the oil platform disaster? Obama has already used it to stop his planned expansion.
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
We should watch everyone that travels to Pakistan? How about people that travel to Ireland? And, how about people that travel to Saudi Arabia?
Can you please come down to Earth?
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Calling the oil spill an “ongoing tragedy,” House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence said the American people “deserve to know what happened” and “deserve to know why the administration was slow to respond and why the necessary equipment was not immediately available.”
Ya Right.. the so called EVIL BIG GOVERNMENT should bring equipment to every accident in a private enterprise .. even when that private enterprise lobbied to kill regulation using the ‘we have advanced technology to mitigate risks’ excuse.
The chickens of no regulation of big business are coming home to roost – Wall Street, Oil Companies, Coal Minig Companies. I am hoping that we do not have an disaster in a Pharma company.
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
“”"”"”EVIL BIG GOVERNMENT should bring equipment to every accident in a private enterprise ..”"”"”"
Posted by: New Wave
Talk about “politicizing” an event. It was a private enterprise accident, but the slick threatened our US National Resources, do you not understand this? Even Napoletano said it. So while BP was trying to figure out the problem, we could have mobilized our resources because there was already oil in the water. Did you criticize Bush for Katrina?
Posted by: lfrichar | May 5, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Amy in Maine; By the way, the US Coast Guard is a branch of our military, not a government agency like the postal service or the EPA. The federal government is not helping contain the slick. BP has 28 of its private vessels laying out containment booms and BP has contracted another approximate 170 local fishermen’s boats, people who “have a dog in the hunt”, to assist with their vessels in laying out the booms. Where are the government ships and personnel? We’re talking about the contamination of continental US territory here. We’re talking about the loss of jobs and lifestyles for thousands of people on an immediate basis and possibly millions ultimately. Again, I don’t want to see this happen. I’m not enjoying watching it unfold. Doing nothing at all can be as condemning as doing something wrong. Sadly, it seems to me the government is allowing it to be a tragedy so they can say they are compelled by this incident to ban all offshore drilling and to use this as fodder to feed their argument against carbon based fuels in general.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
“deserve to know why the administration was slow to respond and why the necessary equipment was not immediately available”
How do you refute a lie without spreading it? It’s like the whole death panel thing…there never were death panels in the healthcare reform bill, but boy that sure went viral fast and distorted the whole debate. At what point do these lies start to bite back on the Republicans? Opposition to actual policy is one thing…distorting reality for political gain is another.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Amy in Maine; Since you’re sharp enough to twist the truth you must understand the truth. The death panel rhetoric was associated with the public option which would have been essentially nationalized health care similar to the healthcare provided by governments in Europe. In Europe terminally ill patients and patients who have exceeded maximum life expectancy but need medical attention to have any quality of life in their remaining time on earth are often denied medical attention because of the financial justification factor. The public option was not included in the bill so the talk about death panels which apparently was effective is nothing more than sour grapes from the mouths of public option advocates at this point. But the oil slick just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
How come the MSM is not looking deeper into the reason why BP and others operating in the Gulf Coast do not have auto-shutoff device that used in other deep-sea wells in other parts of the world?
The companies won that concession from Chenney’s energy plan. Remember that meeting with Big Oil that Chenney blocked public access to the list of attendees?
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Infrachar: why would anyone be watching him? If we watched everyone who left our country and travel. to Pakistan we would be very busy. that alone would not trigger a follow up by any authority. The diligence of the vendor was admirable and he was right to alert the police. What followed was successful with one flub. He did get on the plane at Kennedy. This is not the first time Kennedy was lax on something like this. They are the ones that need to get serious. However, they need to be better trained. Their hiring practices need to be better. Let’s stop complaining for once and be happy it had a good outcome. I am so tired of so much negativity.
Posted by: talmag | May 5, 2010, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Amy in Maine and New Wave; The fact remains that in spite of the US having a huge Navy and Coast Guard that could be participating in containment, BP and intracoastal are the only ones doing anything about the spillage. Yes, they should be doing the work and bearing the expense but the deeper issue is the damage that will be done to our environment. It’s my opinion that the government with its extensive resources should be participating and billing BP/Intracoastal for their efforts. That is, of course, if this administration doesn’t want this to be as big a crisis as possible for obvious political agenda impetus.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Amy in Maine; By the way, in earlier posts I recall your stating you were a Hillary supporter. But you refuted that in one of yesterday’s posts. Your story about standing in the freezing rain must have been after Obama, your second choice, won the primary. Any old Democrat will do?
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
ExCIAMan
‘Well Fox news does the opposite of portraying Democrats in a biased light so it becomes a fair game for the other side to portray republicans biased.’
There is some of that going on, too. But it’s important to put recent events in historical context since the 1960′s. The news media has been noticeably liberally slanted since the 1960′s and 1970′s with people like Walter Cronkite and his ilk. Throughout the 1980′s and 90′s, it was Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather. After several decades of the news media being primarily a mouthpiece for the liberal agenda, people began getting fed up with the slanting of American news. That is exactly why FOXNEWS and the blogosphere were created. At least with these last two forms of media, you get to hear both sides. The liberals are all up in arms because they no longer have overwhelming media domination. Why can’t they allow just 1 TV station, FOXNEWS,- just 1 station – to exist? Because libs will never be satisfied until they’ve established complete control over the media – they have no tolerance for differing opinions which expose their lies. They, like communists, are afraid of losing their mind control over the masses of humanity. Viva the NEW MEDIA!
Posted by: Anthony Artusa | May 5, 2010, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
“The fact remains that in spite of the US having a huge Navy and Coast Guard that could be participating in containment, BP and intracoastal are the only ones doing anything about the spillage.”
This is not a fact. Where are you getting this?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Amy in Maine; No I can’t be denied healthcare insurance, cannot be dropped from coverage. Because of these stipulations that drive up the cost of insuring people without anything having been done to control the costs of delivering healthcare, both I and my children will be forced to buy healthcare insurance at inflated rates or else be fined by the government as if we’re criminals.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Amy in Maine; You accused me of lying. Please cite an example.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Amy in Maine; I throw down the gauntlet and will admit I’m wrong if you can give any example of physical effort, not lip service, being put forth by the US government to contain the spillage.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Spinmasters; I’m waiting.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
The fact that two terrorist bombs didn’t work is reminiscent of a Dirty Harry movie. After an extended gun fight Dirty Harry is face to face with the criminal and says, “I know what you are thinking. Did he shoot 5 or 6 times! Do you feel lucky today?”
Posted by: tillyerkt | May 5, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
gollywiggle: Stop digging your hole deeper.
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
New Wave; Our nation’s environment is threatened. This could be another economic nightmare. Why is the government doing nothing beyond taking credit for the work BP is doing?
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 5, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
gollywiggle: Are you saying that the Coast Guard, FEMA and Pentagon resources are subsidiaries of BP? You have spun so much that you are just going round and round.
Posted by: New Wave | May 5, 2010, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Gollywiggle
I’ve been on the EPA website looking at the flicker pictures and reading about the government’s efforts to control the spillage. Also, the local fisherman are out there too.
Sorry if my previous posts were unclear. Although my sisters supported Hillary, and Hillary voters at the caucus were my kinda people, I did caucus for Barack Obama in my state’s primary. I know I took the long way round in telling that story, I think I was trying to make a point about the importance of passion to the success of a political movement, but also breadth of support, of which the Tea Party has not.
PS Isn’t Hillary Cinton an awesome Secretary of State?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Amy in Maine…a little advice. “gollywiggle” is nothing more than a semi-professional “arguer” who distorts the truth by dissecting her/his set of “facts” down to a point where he/she “thinks” they won the argument. You, on the other hand, are a much better open minded, conceptual thinker. Stand by your “thought process and convictions”. And just “ignore” people like “gollywiggle”. They are not worth the time or the trouble.
Posted by: CND FOX | May 5, 2010, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
I’ve been on the EPA website looking at the flicker pictures and reading about the government’s efforts to control the spillage. Amy in Maine | May 5, 2010 4:14:40 PM
So you didn’t see our government getting involved in any action beyond monitoring BP’s efforts.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 6, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Amy in Maine; I saw on CNN this morning that the oil slick has gotten past the containment booms and reached the beaches in at least one area. And yes Hillary is doing a good job as Secretary of State. I felt she would have made a good president as well. She lost the primary because of Bill. People thought he would have been running the country. Although he wasn’t a bad president as far as policy is concerned, he was impeached for lying under oath. Not a good moral example for our youth. The president can’t help being a role model and he wasn’t a good example of how to honorably conduct oneself. I think she is strong enough that she would have told him to sit down and shut up.
Posted by: gollywiggle | May 6, 2010, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm