President Obama: GOP Opposition to Stimulus ‘Helped to Create the Tea-Baggers’
Three days after he decried the lack of civility in American politics, President Obama is quoted in a new book about his presidency referring to the Tea Party movement using a derogatory term with sexual connotations.
In Jonathan Alter’s “The Promise: President Obama, Year One,” President Obama is quoted in an November 30, 2009, interview saying that the unanimous vote of House Republicans vote against the stimulus bills “set the tenor for the whole year … That helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.”
Tea Party activists loathe the term “tea baggers,” which has emerged in liberal media outlets and elsewhere as a method of mocking the activists and their concerns.
On Saturday, the president delivered a commencement address at the University of Michigan where he said one way “to keep our democracy healthy is to maintain a basic level of civility in our public debate … But we can’t expect to solve our problems if all we do is tear each other down.”
The book also describes many of the president’s top advisers cautioning him against trying to tackle health care reform in the first year because it might be too much to take on at the same time as the recession.
“‘I begged the president not to do this,” White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel says.
“They’ll give you a pass on this one,” Vice President Biden told the president.
-jpt
UPDATE: Some liberal bloggers, taking issue with this post, have noted that some Tea Partyers coined and originally embraced the term "tea-baggers." That seems true, and I didn't address the coinage of the term above. But it was fairly soon, by April 2009, when anchors on CNN and MSNBC were employing the term with mocking innuendo, as seen in the links above, and pretty quickly after that Tea Party activists began taking umbrage with it. It's now a common way for some on the left to mock Tea Partyers.
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Posted by: Bob | May 4, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am
On Saturday, the president delivered a commencement address at the University of Michigan where he said one way “to keep our democracy healthy is to maintain a basic level of civility in our public debate … But we can’t expect to solve our problems if all we do is tear each other down.”
Easy for him to say. He gets a different rule book than the folks out here who will be footing the bill for his ‘government programs’ for years to come.
I cannot believe he has the nerve to even speak about civility in politics. Isn’t this the same man who has so arrogantly said “I won” and “the election is over” to members of the Republican party while in political discussions? The same man who seems to think jokes about drone attacks are appropriate? The same man who made a crack about Special Olympics?
At least he’s in the right party. The symbol for Democrats suits him to a tee… a real ass.
Posted by: Shoe | May 4, 2010, 9:25 am 9:25 am
This is the most arrogant and ignorant President we ever had. Ive been around for a while and can assure you, this guy is beating Bush second to none.He has brought nothing but disgrace to the office.He has divided this country and claims others has done it.He has bowed to world leaders,has created a mess of a deficit,he has picked the most crooked people to top position, tax evaders, etc.I cant fix stupid but I can voted it out.
Posted by: Frank | May 4, 2010, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Let’s rephrase that.
The GOP opposition to the squandering of billions of tax dollars, helped to create the Tea Party.
If anyone is a “bagger” it is the Dems, who are behaving like Carpet Baggers.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | May 4, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
either he doesn’t know what that means and he is just spouting off at the mouth and showing his stupidy or he knows what it means and is mocking the american people. Either way the man is a Moron with a capital M!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010, 9:37 am 9:37 am
jhw,you wanted proof the other day of Obama mocking the american people, here it is and I’m sure there are many more. Specail olympics, cops acting stupidly, americans clinging to their guns and religion. The list goes on….. This guy is a 1st rate “classless” act!!!!!!!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010, 9:41 am 9:41 am
So what is the date of the quote, as we all know that a new book doesn’t equal a new quote, as in he didn’t say that yesterday, obviously, or following the commencement speech– so the time frame set up is pretty hokey, Jake (and the timing to me suggests some handy dandy pandering to the right after receiving lots of complaints from the tea party ilk and their bffs–and George Will “fans”– about your lineup on Sunday)
The Tea Partiers and Fox News were the ones who started up with the use of the derogatory term with sexual connotations– and then they got it thrown right back at them and feigned hypocritical outrage. The first time I heard or saw it used in this context was on Tea Party signage–
And the “hippies” punched back by mocking them, and one upping the double entendres.
just sayin’
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 9:41 am 9:41 am
You have a serious character flaw when you demonize those who happen to disagree with you.
Posted by: LongT | May 4, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Out of the mouth of the man who gave us “typical white person”, you expected what?????
Posted by: samhiguchi | May 4, 2010, 9:43 am 9:43 am
This man is so arrogant that he cannot even conceptualize why some people would find complete fault in his policies. He doesn’t understand the Tea Party and fortunately that arrogance will also lead to his loss of majorities in Congress and then to the loss of his CIC status.
Posted by: J.R. | May 4, 2010, 9:44 am 9:44 am
“The Tea Partiers and Fox News were the ones who started up with the use of the derogatory term with sexual connotations”
WRONG..that would be Anderson Cooper and MSNBC!
Get your facts straight!
Posted by: S.Morgan | May 4, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
He sides with the lawless and puts down
and insults others. He is an arrogant
and two faced liar who wants to promote
a cohesive public but then mocks them
later. He is a disgrace as a man and
a president. What an embarrasment.
Posted by: wis134 | May 4, 2010, 9:50 am 9:50 am
The GOP opposition to the squandering of billions of tax dollars, helped to create the Tea Party.
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Riiiiiight/sarc. Meanwhile, there aren’t many advocates of limited government spending and small government during an oil spill now, are there? As Matthew Yglesias puts it, “It’s an interesting sociological fact about members of the conservative movement in America that they like to talk about “small government” and/or “freedom” or “liberty” but there’s no reason to believe that in an operational sense the conservative movement is aiming at any of these things.”
In addition, in response to Milbank’s post on GOP and tea party type hyposcrisy, he notes, “It’s true that conservative politicians tend to represent relatively poor states that disproportionately benefit from federal spending. But it’s people who vote, not states. And poor people in poor states don’t vote for Republicans and thus Sessions and Vitter have no particular concern with their interests. But an oil spill threatens people irrespective of class, so countermeasures have conservative fans.” (Yglesias)
And that is the crux of it.
lol.
But the feigned outrage on the comment board and the continued b.s. on the small government front is cute– and I’m sure there are dupes who believe y’all.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 9:52 am 9:52 am
WRONG..that would be Anderson Cooper and MSNBC!
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Get your facts straight— they used clips and quotes from Fox News and the tea partiers– and showed the signage.
But keep your head in the sand. LOL!!
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Somehow it’s okay for the tea drinkers to call him Dumbama, Fartbama, a terrorist, a seekret Mooslim, a moron, an illegal alien, etc — but suddenly they’re outraged when they get maligned?
Grow up.
Posted by: Lancaster farmer | May 4, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010 9:52:33 AM
Stuck on repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.
But it is true that I think the GOP is a backward party and anyone who votes for them and claims to be for small government, or any priniciples other than fear and greed, is full of it.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am
And he wonders why he is called a lowlife piece of garbage and a socialist pig
He is just a racist and radical, with thin skin
Posted by: another crisis-another photo op | May 4, 2010, 9:56 am 9:56 am
I am totally disgusted with Obama and the lefty democrats. The Tea Party movement is filled with good hardworking Americans that are concerned with the radical policies of the Marxist Democrats now in control of the Democrat Party. Has Obama bothered to TALK to any of the Tea Party people???? The answer is “NO”. Have the people calling the Tea Party people racist bothered to talk to the Tea Party people??? The answer is “NO”. I feel like I am living in communist Russia, or banana Republic with a two bit lying thug running the country. The lies in the media, the lies about the tea party, the lies about certain Congressional bills, and very few in the media will even try to dig into a story to get the truth. We need TRUTH Mr. Tapper…..we need TRUTH, no matter how ugly that TRUTH might be, and maybe we can build our country again. Maybe.
Posted by: jon | May 4, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Now that the times square bomber has been caught and it’s known he’s not a tea party member, is obama going to go on another apology tour?
Posted by: floridian | May 4, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Have the people calling the Tea Party people racist bothered to talk to the Tea Party people???
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Actually, I have– as have polling organziations. So, the real question is do you bother to fact check yourself?
As EJ Dionne put it, the Tea Party is nothing new. At. all.
“he New York Times and CBS News thus performed a public service last week with a careful study of just who is in the Tea Party movement.
Their findings suggest that the Tea Party is essentially the reappearance of an old anti-government far right that has always been with us and accounts for about one-fifth of the country. The Times reported that Tea Party supporters “tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.” They are also more affluent and better educated than Americans as a whole. This is the populism of the privileged.
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And the poll suggested something that white Americans are reluctant to discuss: Part of the anger at President Obama among Tea Partiers does appear to be driven by racial concerns.
Saying this invites immediate denunciations from defenders of those who bring guns to rallies, threaten violence to “take our country back,” and mouth old slogans about states’ rights and the Confederacy. So let’s be clear: Opposition to the president is driven by many factors that have nothing to do with race. But race is definitely part of what’s going on. ”
I agree.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
whatsgoingonhere – Are you saying Americans don’t cling to their guns and religion? You people ae a laughing stock with your ridiculous criticisms of Obama. You kept in office for eight years the dumbest president this country will ever see – see how that worked out – and now you’re up in arms because we finally have someone smarter than every republican put together and you can’t stand it. Face up to it. He gets your goat becuase he’s smart, black and you have idiots for leaders. And if you ask me, everything he has said is true, from the gun nuts to the religious nuts to the bad cops. But I guess you’d rather your countrymen be labeled traitors and anti-American because they disagree with policy – you know, like King Bush did? Where were your up in arms posts? Right! You people are such hypcorits. You betcha!
Posted by: pamp205 | May 4, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
“I cant fix stupid but I can voted it out.”
Posted by: T Bag | May 4, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Hey repubs, while you’re worried about name calling – a GOP senator was looking at porn on his government-owned computer. And while you diss the president, your idiot talking heads are wanting to micro-chip aliens. are censuring State seals, want to deport American citizens, saying the oil spill was ‘an act of God’, fighting Wall Street reform, standing proud because gays ‘were taken care of’ during his time in the military, is a stupid half-term gov., lies about oil spill timelines, etc. etc. etc. This is who you stand with. You people crack me up. Guess we see from your posts why this country is in the shape it’s in. You elect idiots to office then we have to have someone come in and try to fix your horrendous errors. And then you want it done in a year. Get a grip, dittoheads. Get a grip!!!
Posted by: pamp205 | May 4, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am
T-bag – the majority voted against stupid -remember??? You betha!
Posted by: pamp205 | May 4, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
How sad that the president of the United States would stoop this low to speak ill of his political adversaries in such a vulgar fashion. And yet, as tasteless as his comment is, it says far more about him than it does those whom he seeks to oppugn.
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | May 4, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
It depends on how early he said it. I think most people did not know that the term was derogatory until later.
I have never heard it used, for example, and didn’t know it until after people with tea bags attached to their hats came.
Posted by: x | May 4, 2010, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Pamp205: you are absolutely correct…we re-elected one of the dumbest presidents and one who led us into the recession that Obama is being blamed for. The republlicans have made it seeme that this mess is Obama’s when in fact it came from 8 years of nothing by the republican party. How can they not remember that it was Bush who asked for the first stimulus and Mc Cain and Obama did not want to do this. They both relented because Bush asked them to do the right thing to save the country, and now that Obama is asking the reps. to do the right thing for the banking industry by putting sanctions on them to keep this from happening again, they suddenly don’t want to. They are saying it is another bailout. Bull. They have opposed everything he has proposed since the first week of his administration and have treated him disrespectfully also. Obama is not a socialist. He is fighting for the people the reps. forgot about. Their mantra was for the banks and the upper income people. When they say he has raised taxes they lie. The only people who will see a substantial raise in taxes will the those making over 250,000. Remember it was the reps. who did not want to keep the unemployment going and did not carethat people were being thrown off their insurance or could not get insurance. Is caring for these people socialism…well bring it on. The middle income people have been ignored and taxed to death. No other income section has seen the rise in taxes like they have so now Obama wants to make the upper income people pay. The tea party people are not the middle income people, they are over 50, own business’ and mostly retired with a good savings from their business. They are not fighting or the average guy ..let’s be honest here. Don’t forget that 1.3 trillion dollars of this debt came from the Bush administration. If they were so good for the country…why is it they did not get re-elected? They have done a good job of covering up their mistakes and when asked on talk shows about their spending…all they say is we have learned our lession. Bull. If they get back in…middle income people will be ignored again. Wake up America…
Posted by: talmag | May 4, 2010, 10:27 am 10:27 am
First lets see his grades in school before you call him smartest president. Second the point is not your ravings or Bush bashing it is that Obama has no class.He is the president of all Americans and seems stupid to insult them with such a vulgar term. Bidens big %$%^ deal. Plus on all the blog posts comments are full of vile terms that the left thinks is ok as long as it is them saying it.
Posted by: bellez | May 4, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
“‘I begged the president not to do this,” White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel says…
ROLMAO!!!
Posted by: katy | May 4, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
yawn. the guy is a boorish, hypocritical amateur, big shock. when I want dispassionate analysis obama is the last guy I’d expect to get it from. his strident ideologically-based worldview makes him incapable of really anything other than punditry at best. sure he talks a good game but coupled with his actions it amounts to “yak yak yak”.
Posted by: mike | May 4, 2010, 10:33 am 10:33 am
UNPRECIDENTED UNPRESIDENTIAL
Posted by: mjishernameo | May 4, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
It appears that Obama and Bloomberg need to get together for a some “sensitivity training.” VOTE 2010/2012…
Posted by: Parallex View | May 4, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am
What a disgusting man.
Posted by: Concerned | May 4, 2010, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Obama has lived a privileged life with people always bending over backward for him. He has never really faced any opposition until he ran for and became POTUS. He still can’t fathom how anyone could oppose him on anything, ever. It’s beyond his understanding.
Posted by: Obvious | May 4, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
You liberals are great, not that republicans are any better. Bush was a big government fool, just like Obama. Bush increased the size of government, as is Obama. Bush, a neocon, voted for TARP, as did McCain and Obama. Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan, just as Bush escalated the war in Iraq.
However, the average unemployment rate while Bush was President was 5.3%. The highest the deficit got while Bush was President was just over $400 billion. Under Obama the highest deficit is $1.75 trillion, and the unemployment rate is just under 10%.
Prior to ’08s deficit of $450+ billion, the next highest was in ’04 @ $412 billion. By ’07 it was down to $162 billion.
Taxes are on the rise ladies and gentlemen. And we have Obama to thank for that, not Bush.
Posted by: Jason A | May 4, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
How PRESIDENTIAL of him.
Thank you to President Obama and the idiot talking heads in the MSM for using a term that I had no knowledge of the definition of, and literally had to look up.
…and then using it towards a large portion of the country for political purposes. I am one of those ‘baggers’.
Nice. Think that it makes me receptive to ideas of the far left? Pardon the pun, but would they have the cajones to look this stay at home mother in the face and call me that?
It’s the language of middle school boys, not that of the leader of the free world.
Grow up, Barack.
Posted by: JR | May 4, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
For a very long time, over many administrations, our borders have been open. I think most Americans welcome all people to our country. But we must have orderly imigration! All imigrants who are already here should be given a clear path to citizenship and encouraged to become citizens. But our border must be controlled at all times!
The President’s number one responsibility is to protect the citizens he serves! President Obama is failing at this. Yes past presidents have done nothing, it’s time to stop that NOW!! Mr. President protect your fellow citizens from Mexican drug dealers… NOW!
Posted by: RealityCheck | May 4, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I still do not understand how you can pin the recession of Pres Bush.
Read the Constitution. The Congress controls the money. The sitting President puts forth his budget, then Congress amends and alters it before passing. When you have a President of a different party than that controlling Congress, the budget is rarely close to what the President put forth. This was the case in 2006 and beyond, WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HELD BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS! It was the Democratic policies and lack of regulation of Fannie and Freddie Mac that led to the crash of the housing markets and the recession. In the previous years, the Republicans did an outstanding job of holding the economy together after 9/11! Especially wile fighting two years. The defict really grrew only after the Democrats took Congress in 2006; although Obama blew that deficiet away in the first year…
Learn your civics and history correctly people. Don’t just be a mouthpiece for the liberal education machine and media!
Posted by: Originalist | May 4, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Funny how Obama gets away with comments blasting the TEA partiers, when the thing he is accusing them of is exactly what he does every time he and his cronies open their mouths! The only civility I have heard or seen from this guys is when he is acquiescing and bowing to foreign leaders!
Posted by: Originalist | May 4, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Independent here. I’m so outta here. I will not vote for another dem. Obama has no class.
Why didn’t we wait until he produced his school transcripts? He didn’t even have a decent resume for the job.
Posted by: Indy | May 4, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Anyone who pays attention knows Obama doesn care jack about civility. Have people forgotten the campaign? How he constantly accused McCain that McCain would make fun of his name or mention his skin color. Of course none of that ever happened yet Obama kept making the same racist attack again and again.
I love how democrats keep blaming Bush unknowingly indicted Obama as a complete idiot. The last two budgets are all Obama’s (democrats made sure Bush could not sign the last budget of his presidency). Hence Obama is completely to blame for tripling the national yearly budget deficit. Not Bush. Also complaing about Bush now is like complaining about one guy stealing some acorns while another makes off with the entire tree. At work point, if ever, will liberals actually treat Obama like an adult and hold him responsible for his own actions?
Posted by: Zaggs | May 4, 2010, 10:56 am 10:56 am
One other thing. Look at the yearly budget deificts under Bush. They kept declining until 2008. What happened that year? Oh yeah, democrats took control of congress and budget deficits exploded. Congress is responsible for the budget, a president can pass or veto. Also who was in congress for 4 years prior to 2010? Obama. How many spending bills did he vote against? Only 1, and that was to protest Iraq.
Posted by: Zaggs | May 4, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am
It’s clear…Obama talks out of both sides of his teleprompter.
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Why is obama and you progressives even talking about the tea-party? Obama, Pelosi and the liberals along with the main street press have discounted the movement as being fake, astro turf yet you morons continue to spend all this time trying to discredit the group by verbally attacking. The president seems to spend more time attacking the tea party and the citizens of Arizona than he does handling the nuclear threat of Iran. Why is that?
Posted by: David | May 4, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am
You know, it hurts the Left more than it hurts Republicans. American’s are tired of it; they want good debate now. They want facts. They are frightened, more than they’ve ever been, of their government!
Posted by: SecondEdition2 | May 4, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Obama is proving himself to be a weak, vile, hostile, narcissistic petty and incompetent buffoon. 2012 can’t come soon enough.
Posted by: Monique | May 4, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am
I take it that our President really does not like any opposition to whatever plans he has and it has to be a real downer knowing that there are some who have different opinions than he.
Posted by: david | May 4, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
He remains one arrogant, insensitive, Progressive Liberal, doesn’t he? No, I am not a racist, I don’t like his white half either!
Posted by: Greg | May 4, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am
racists, homophobic, religious zealots, etc.
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You’re words, not mine– so yes they are the same ole tired names as none of you are all that original– but, hey, if you insist, I have no significant objection. I ‘d say you likely know much more about all those things than I do. Its part of your culture, yes?
as for being angry, your projection amuses as all empty-headed courage-free bluster does.
What is true is that I think the right wing is moronic, hypocritical, fearful and very easily duped, and the GOP is backward and willing to exploit your fear (and anger, but the anger is fear-based so its all related.)
As for November, shrug. I’ve thought for a long time the average American is getting increassingly stupid– our average IQ is below average thanks to the conservatives dragging it down. And there are a lot of folks easily duped. I haven’t given up yet (Its intriguing that the average tea party is allegedly better educated but still willfully ignorant) but I did watch morons re-elect Bush, and morons vote for a ticket with Palin on it so nothing shocks me.
What cracks me up is that you think voting in more moronic Republicans will be a victory for anything other than those duping the dupes.
i’ll admit I’m hopeful that there are some true independents and progressives who will manage to vote out a few incumbents with good/better choices outside of the two party system– but it won’t come from the tea party movement. They’re just more of the same. A wholly owned subsidiary of the tired, regressive and redundant Republican party.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Stay classy Mr. President.
Posted by: Aaron | May 4, 2010, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Wow. Very classy, Obama.
Posted by: mbs | May 4, 2010, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Keep it up Barack … November is coming sooner than you think.
Posted by: Iben Watchen You | May 4, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am
>”As for November, shrug. I’ve thought for a long time the average American is getting increassingly (sic) stupid”
FYI, it weakens your bulletproof “other people are stupid but I’m not” argument when you misspell words. Just so you know.
I’m wondering how far back your “long time” observing this alleged stupidity goes – to November of 2008, perhaps? America’s been electing members of your party to Congress and the WH in greater numbers since 2006, so have they been getting more or less stupid since then?
Let us know.
Posted by: Good Lt. | May 4, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
.and then using it towards a large portion of the country for political purposes. I am one of those ‘baggers’.
Nice. Think that it makes me receptive to ideas of the far left? Pardon the pun, but would they have the cajones to look this stay at home mother in the face and call me that?
It’s the language of middle school boys, not that of the leader of the free world.
Grow up, Barack.
Posted by: JR
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As I posted earlier, you have no idea when Obama said this— its a new book, not a new quote, and its the tea partiers and Fox News that started up with using the term — specifically describing what they wanted to do to liberals and the President.
If you want to feign outrage, get real and know the full story. Otherwise, you just sound like a partisan hypocrite.
What IS true is that the hippies (alongside CNN and MSNBC) punched back and out double entendred those who thought they were being so clever.
Not so much.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
“Three days after he decried the lack of civility in American politics, President Obama is quoted in a new book about his presidency referring to the Tea Party movement using a derogatory term with sexual connotations.”
I’m shocked! /s.
If you believe the exact opposite of anything Obama says, you’ll be proven right 70%-80% of the time. He lies, conflates, battles against strawmen, and speaks incompetently on a wide range of issues (can’t blame him for this last failing, he’s never held a meaningful job that would prepare him as an executive and has chosen to populate his staff/advisors/cabinet with lawyers and others who are similarly unqualified to lead).
Posted by: tjp612 | May 4, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
He’s been on top of this since Day One.
Posted by: kansas | May 4, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am
I’m with you greg!except I don’t like any side of him. all these liberals call everyone who don’t agree w/ them and their liberal agenda “racist”. Little do they know, I’m, wait for it, BLACK!!! Wow, there I said it! Now go ahead all you liberal loonies, call me racist if you will! I’m laughing at you!!!!!!!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am
I’m constantly amazed by the way BO bows and scrapes and sucks-up to terrorists and dictators, then denigrates our allies and his own fellow Americans who disagree with him.
And the way he preaches to everybody to be civil, then behaves so uncivilly himself? Unbelievable!
He’s way beneath his office.
Posted by: MissButterfly | May 4, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am
This administration defines civility as shutting up and doing what your told. It is heartening to see that the Alinsky tactics of the left liberals currently in power are failing.
Posted by: DaveT | May 4, 2010, 11:21 am 11:21 am
>As I posted earlier, you have no idea when Obama said this— its a new book, not a new quote, and its the tea partiers and Fox News that started up with using the term — specifically describing what they wanted to do to liberals and the President.
And yet, you cite no evidence for this claim other than…your previous non-sourced claim.
Link to your evidence so everyone can see it.
Posted by: Good Lt. | May 4, 2010, 11:23 am 11:23 am
our average IQ is below average thanks to the conservatives dragging it down
Very good. And you, being an expert statistician, know what below average is.
Posted by: Mike K | May 4, 2010, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Mr President- when does the civility begin from you and your party? Because I oppose some of your political views, I have been called a racist, terrorist, white old man, part of the Klan and other disgusting things.
When are you going to be civil and show respect to “we the people”??? And stop recklessly spending OUR money?
Posted by: KathleenTampa | May 4, 2010, 11:24 am 11:24 am
>our average IQ is below average thanks to the conservatives dragging it down
Most students are educated in government-run, teacher-union-dominated public schools.
Ask them why their kids are getting dumber. It’s got nothing to do with “conservatives,” whatever that means.
Posted by: Good Lt. | May 4, 2010, 11:26 am 11:26 am
promama, you think Bill Maher and Al Sharpton are intelligent and insightful. Enough said…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! So you’re smart and the rest of us are not?????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Obama maintains a mid/upper 40 approval rating, in spite of everything we know about him.
I think Obama figures he can get away with just about anything because his base will always give him a pass, and the MSM will always cover for him.
He knows the majority of americans either get their info from the MSM, don’t bother to educate themselves, or just plain don’t care.
Americas only hope is that more moderates and independents will get fed up with him.
Posted by: ollie | May 4, 2010, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Nothing more than a punk..that’s all he is, a punk-###.
2012 can’t come soon enough,. Send his punk-ass back to the filthy streets of Chicago.
We have truly sunk to the depths electing this garbage to high office; a Banana Republic is born.
Posted by: TimDC | May 4, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Ah, yes, “Civility for thee, but not for me,” said The Won.
Posted by: brent | May 4, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Very good. And you, being an expert statistician, know what below average is.
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According to international IQ charts, the United States rates behind 18 other nations in average IQ: At the top is Hong Kong at 107 followed by South Korea, 106; Japan, 105; Taiwan and Singapore, 104; Austria, Germany, Italy and The Netherlands, 102; Sweden and Switzerland at 101; Belgium, China, New Zealand and the United Kingdom at 100; Hungary, Poland and Spain at 99. (Ours is 98, average average is 100).
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
let me clarify a little…before my above comment is scrubbed:
web dictionary definition:
“The term ******r is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.”
let me extract from above, for emphasis:
“represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense”
Mr. President,
your words are offensive.
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“(Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.)”
I can see a near future, when “bagger” is used as a sign of endearment-
as in…
“he’s my bagger”.
Posted by: mtl | May 4, 2010, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Rahm was the White House point man on health care talks yet he didn’t belive pushing reform was the right thing to do? Hard to imagine that didn’t have an impact on the initial failure to put together a bill with broad support in Congress.
Posted by: matt | May 4, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Forget the tea party people Obama, make
sure the new terror suspect is read his
rights, send him to Gitmo, which still is
not closed and the OBAMA-CARE will do the
rest.
Posted by: deadwrestler | May 4, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
I really enjoy when the progessive elitist p-mama insinuates that those who vote for Republicans are by definition less intelligent than the more “enlightened” citizens who vote for Democrats.
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I don’t insinuate. I flat out say it. Those who are ready to vote in the same ole GOP that brought us the 00′s are stupid. Dumb. Not enlightened. Duped.
Or they’re greedy and sinister.
Those who think the GOP has changed are into magical thinking and again, aren’t that bright.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Obama’s plot to paint himself as a Washington outsider, or a civil and different kind of politician is laughable.
He has some nerve to lecture Michigan grads about listening to opposing points of view. Is there a politician more thin-skinned and vindictive that Obama.
He has waged wars against Fox News,Chamber of Commerce, Rush, Beck, Palin, the GOP, the Tea Party– and mocked all of them publically.
I think Obama needs an extensive mental examination.
Posted by: kyle | May 4, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
This guy is solidifying his place in history as the most unqualified man to ever hold the office. “57 states”, using the teleprompter at grade schools, saying “Marine Corpse”, not having a fire boom in Louisiana to burn off the oil, etc. It’s really amateur hour at the White House and the use of this perverted sexual term shows we need a grown up as President.
Posted by: Scott W | May 4, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Tea-bagging has two meanings.
1- a gay sex act.
2- In multiplayer online first person shooter video games, the act of shooting someone at close range, then to add insult to injury, running up to their “body” and crouching over the head repeatedly to simulate the above sex act. It’s basically a way 13 year old boys say “in your face!” to other 13 year old boys. So when a conservative online cartoon showed, early in this political process, a protester with a sign saying, “teabag us and we’ll teabag you”, it was in this latter context. Obama and his staff and media sycophants have shown the maturity of adolescent boys – and they have been called out in similar terms. When those same O-bots switched to the first meaning, one most people had never heard of until then, they simply revealed the context of their knowledge base swings into the perverse/immature rather than simply the immature. When the average gamer hears this and associates it with adolescent boys, it ends up giving the O-Bots a slightly NAMBLA feel. The “safe” schools czar certainly adds to that feel from this administration.
Posted by: Kent | May 4, 2010, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Somewhere that becomes a racist comment – the color of tea and all that.
Where’s the mainstream media’s excoriating him for this demeaming put down of free citizens exercizing their rights as well as the office he is just temporarily holding. When he goes after the media (as he has already tried) let’s all just sit and cheer!
Posted by: Don L | May 4, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Never seen a more childish and tacky president.
Obama acts like being president is some kind of game.
Posted by: millie | May 4, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Obama is the most classless person to ever hold that office,..Period!
Posted by: MMS | May 4, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Interesting how leftists can cite international IQ numbers as evidence that Americans are dumb, but if you cite IQ numbers that describe different populations within the US, you must be a racist.
What is IQ? It means that want to win the argument.
Posted by: Don Meaker | May 4, 2010, 11:37 am 11:37 am
It’s so refreshing to see the President of the United States of America and our Commander in Chief listen to “opposing” views and to treat those with opposing views with respect. The civility of political discourse in this country hangs in the balance.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
Posted by: nana | May 4, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
“[the term "tea-baggers is"] now a common way for some on the left to mock Tea Partyers.”
Outside of how preposterous the apparent claim that this disgusting insult – used by the President, no less! – is somehow “okay” because the insulted party “embraced” it, it always was a “common way… to mock Tea Partyers.” Beside that, nobody “embraced” the term; they made a ridiculous video about it in response. Weak sauce.
Posted by: roflcopter | May 4, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Obama is a devicive nasty leftist. I used to think Carter was our worst President. Carter at least had some respect for the office. Obama does not. He continues to act like a street thug wannabee as we know he doesn’t possess the courage of a street thug.
Posted by: robtr | May 4, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I think that the Tea Partiers should take the Presidents advice and “punch back twice as hard”. He also advised to “bring a gun” which I hope that more will also heed. All in the name of civility of course.
Posted by: Bobo from Texas | May 4, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Yes, because we are all just a bunch of sheep without cognitive processes, and the only way we ever get an idea in our heads is because our great black/white fathers in Washington put them there.
We are all just monkey-see, monkey-do, don’t you know?
Posted by: VeraBaker | May 4, 2010, 11:42 am 11:42 am
“President Obama’s health care overhaul law will INCREASE the nation’s health care tab instead of bringing cost down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.” cbsnews/2010.04/03…
A big SHOUT OUT to those tea party members who hold a sign for me and others who are too busy trying to pay the bills to attend those demonstrations, to show we are not happy on the way this Country is heading for the future of our kids…
Posted by: Parallex View | May 4, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
From progressive mama:
As I posted earlier, you have no idea when Obama said this— its a new book, not a new quote, and its the tea partiers and Fox News that started up with using the term — specifically describing what they wanted to do to liberals and the President.
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Can you provide a link for this… Where tea partiers specifically describe what they wanted to do to liberals and the President?
Posted by: pfft | May 4, 2010, 11:44 am 11:44 am
He has more understanding and compassion
for our enemies than for his own people
who happen to disagree with him. He
sounds desperate and petty.
Posted by: wis134 | May 4, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
“I don’t actually think angry old white conservative christians are much interested in any sort of sex.”
Then how come we’re the ones having all the kids? ;-)
Posted by: Annalucia | May 4, 2010, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Can you provide a link for this…
They don’t let you provide links but you can google photos of tea party signage with dates and put in the offensive word alongside liberals and Obama– and you’ll see misspelling of morons as Morans, and of course joker stuff and Hitler comparisons and so on. Ain’t they loverly?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Ollie the ONLY reason Obama maintains a 40% approval rating is because about that percentage are dependant on government handouts in some form or other. Why do you think the Libs want amnesty and to make Puerto Rico a state? They want the votes. Plain and simple. They know, especially after the last 15 months that we are on to him and that November is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems in these elections. Dems can’t win anymore except by cheating, outright lying, or intimidation. I just hope that the November elections are fair. Since 2000 (hanging chads anyone) a free and fair election can no longer be expected. The Dems are power mad & will go to any lengths to get what they want, namely power. As to the T-bagger stuff, just more low-rent rantings from this low-rent president.
Posted by: neyney | May 4, 2010, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I suspect most folks in the Tea Party movement didn’t immediately object to the term because, like me, they initially had no idea what it meant — unlike the media folks who joked about it, who clearly knew just what it suggested.
Posted by: JM Hanes | May 4, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Jake, The edit/afterthought is wholly unnecessary. I don’t know anyone in the small government camp who appreciates being “cutely” nicknamed after testicles in mouths. But to be fair, next time you must use the word “liberal” (or “progressive,” or “democrat”) I preemptively take issue with said use, maintaining that many libs have embraced their common label of “mathematically illiterate idiot.” You should accordingly refer to them as such, and defend the use, seeing as somewhere on the internet, someone says they embrace it.
Posted by: BC | May 4, 2010, 11:50 am 11:50 am
It was reported on a NYT blog that Obama used the term “teabag people” in a meeting with Democrats back in November. So appearently he used the term more than once at the least.
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am
“That seems true, and I didn’t address the coinage of the term above” Seems true? Are you using the Dan Rather TANG memo standard? Fake, but accurate? I thought you guys had layers of fact-checkers, and the bloggers were the morons. Huh….
Posted by: zipity | May 4, 2010, 11:56 am 11:56 am
lol, RickS ….you missed my point.
We just steal your high IQ children when they get to our universities.
You can keep the rest.
:)
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
From progressive mama:
As I posted earlier, you have no idea when Obama said this— its a new book, not a new quote, and its the tea partiers and Fox News that started up with using the term — specifically describing what they wanted to do to liberals and the President.
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You still haven’t answered the question about Fox News and tea partiers specifically describing what they wanted to do to liberals and the President. And while you’re googling, google Bush Hitler signs and report back to us. Since you are so progressive and all.
Posted by: pfft | May 4, 2010, 11:58 am 11:58 am
The most immature, narcissistic, polarizing, dishonest, manipulative, corrupt, thuggish, hateful, common sense deficient, tax and spend spend spend America into oblivion fiscally irresponsible administration that this country has ever had. We were fooled in 08, but we will not be fooled again. The sleeping giant is awake, and the reformation will begin in 2010. Obama as president is the equivalent of the Detroit School Board President Otis Mathis who can’t read or write. Neither are qualified for the jobs that each hold, and both are progressives.
Posted by: jeckelmyhyde | May 4, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The intellectually dishonest Liberals are trying to blame-shift their vulgar actions onto their victims. It’s just another cheap way they can try to escape responsiblity for their own actions.
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Then how come we’re the ones having all the kids? ;-)
Posted by: Annalucia | May 4, 2010 11:45:49 AM
Because your parents insist abstinence is a viable form of birth control for you crazy conservative teens, and after the fact, a prayer shield isn’t a great form of birth control.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
“That seems true, and I didn’t address the coinage of the term above” Seems true? Are you using the Dan Rather TANG memo standard? Fake, but accurate? I thought you guys had layers of fact-checkers, and the bloggers were the morons. Huh….
zipity | May 4, 2010 11:56:03 AM
It is true, and it is documented in the reporting on Fox News (and internet archive of various tea party organization pages from March 2009). But Jake doesn’t want to step on your Two Minute Hate for the day.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
“Then how come we’re the ones having all the kids? ;-)”
Demographics are on our side…The libs know this which is one reason why they are pushing for amnesty for illegal immigrants…
Posted by: tjp612 | May 4, 2010, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Obama lecturing anyone on how to conduct civil discourse ought to view his last official press conference. His disasterous comments about the Cambridge police made everyone aware of how low he’s capable of going.
Posted by: Menlo Bob | May 4, 2010, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
“I don’t actually think angry old white conservative christians are much interested in any sort of sex.”
Then how come we’re the ones having all the kids? ;-)
Annalucia | May 4, 2010 11:45:49 AM
It is the angry old white conservative’s teenage daughters having all the babies. ;-)
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
The intellectually dishonest Liberals are trying to blame-shift their vulgar actions onto their victims. It’s just another cheap way they can try to escape responsiblity for their own actions.
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010 12:00:15 PM
I love the projecttion of blame-shifting.
The Tea Partiers and Fox News are the ones who started up with the double entendres and the use of the term. They only feigned outrage when the liberals were better at the double entendres and were able to soundly mock them. lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Actually, the identity of the tea partiers isn’t racial as much as it is religious. I bet nearly all tea party attendees would selfidentify as christians. The Tea Party is not a grassroots movement seeking fiscal conservatism…that is the Paulites…..it is a grassroots white conservative christian grievance movement.
And the real leader of the Tea Party isn’t Palin…..its Tea Party Jesus.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Because your parents insist abstinence is a viable form of birth control for you crazy conservative teens, and after the fact, a prayer shield isn’t a great form of birth control.
Posted by: progressive mama |
Such bigotry this early in the morning.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
How un-presidential – he is quickly earning the title of “worst president”.
Posted by: MichiganVet | May 4, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
This is a symptom of a country without a leader…
God help us.
Posted by: KS | May 4, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Mocking innnuendo? If liberal Hispanic activists called themselves the Dirty Sanchezes don’t you think a little mocking would be in order? If you’re dumb enough to name your movement after a sexual activity (it’s called google, people) you get what’s coming to you, especially if you’re complaining that a president is out of touch.
Posted by: Chris | May 4, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Since you are so progressive and all.
Posted by: pfft | May 4, 2010 11:58:15 AM
I don’t think progressive means what you think it does. (i.e. I’ve already seen the photos and spoke out at the appropriate time… I’m not eons behind and sputtering around in hopes of not sounding pathetically out of touch because I don’t have my facts right.)
Check the photos and archives.
Do yourself a favor…actually know what in the heck you’re talking about. lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I question the timing. :) No, not the book… but of his return to the bipartisanship theme he ran with during the election.
After being the most partisan president I can remember, right after an event that he is being criticized for (oil spill response); he is back on it and complaining about the tone…
Posted by: thomass | May 4, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
He parties with Hollywood while terrorist strike, and he uses homosexual references when discussing US citizens.
Shameful, unprofessional, and immature man.
I hope Michelle washes his mouth out with soap. Does he talk that way to his young girls? Their classmates? Pervert.
Posted by: Karen | May 4, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Obama disgraces the office of president every day with his insensitive, naive,rude and immature comments. He forgets that he is president of ALL the people, not just his party. I’m disgusted and offended by his use of that term. It’s absolutely pathetic that we have a man of this low caliber as President.
Posted by: AZ Granny | May 4, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Posted by: BC | May 4, 2010 11:50:31 AM
“I preemptively take issue with said use, maintaining that many libs have embraced their common label of “mathematically illiterate idiot.” ”
I’m going with d-bag for anyone that uses t-bag. Turn about… and all that…
Posted by: thomass | May 4, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Once again, Obama works to change the tone in Washington.
He has demolished the dignity of the office completely.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
The financial meltdown dramatically showed the dangers of too little government, he said, “when a lack of accountability on Wall Street nearly led to the collapse of our entire economy.”
I disagree Mr. President, the lack of effective government is what caused the danger.
With 5 government agencies currently involved in Wall Street, the grand proposal is we need another agency (now if we can just keep them from surfing porn) is the solution.
We can’t just empower the ones we have already with more oversight of Wall Street.
The SEC finds out 2 years after the fact that Goldman was compiling then shorting derivatives, that sir is ineffective government.
That civil enough for ya.
Posted by: disagree | May 4, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
The idea that tea partiers “coined and embraced” the term is nonsense; early on, nobody used the the term other than critics. (Well, there is *one* picture of one guy holding a sign that said “tea-bag them before they tea bag you”… but that one-off joke isn;t the same as geneating a label.)
Posted by: DRH | May 4, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
promama, pot meet kettle!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | May 4, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
@foghorn
Insofar as most of the COUNTRY self-identifies as some kind of Christian it stands to reason that most of the tea partiers would be. But your assertion that it’s religion which motivates a desire for less spending, lower taxes and less intrusive government is just dumb. I’m an athiest, as are most of my friends, and we support the same things.
You’re mistaking bigotry and predjudice for analysis and then patting yourself on the back for it.
Posted by: James Felix | May 4, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
I remember all the sneering, mocking references David Schuster made on MSNBC about the tea party folks. He was appalling, absolutely disgusting. At least justice has been served somewhat, because he’s now off the air, but for other reasons.
Posted by: AZ Granny | May 4, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Obama will never the use of Alinsky style ridicule . The press has insulated him from it with the false allegations of racism .
Posted by: nat turner | May 4, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
But your assertion that it’s religion which motivates a desire for less spending, lower taxes and less intrusive government is just dumb.
Posted by: James Felix |
I asserted no such thing.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Speaking about Obama’s duplicitous behavior…anyone else find it totally bizarre that a man who told his followers to “get in their neighbor’s faces and argue with them”; “bring a gun to a knife fight” and “punch back harder” was actually lecturing people about civility at the recent University of Michigan commencement?
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Progressives imagine they are morally superior to the rest of us because they want to the world to be fair and just. They don’t seem to notice that leftist attempts to create utopia have consistently resulted in mass murder, poverty, oppression, and despair.
Obama needs to be removed from office as he is Constitutionally ineligible, and the propagandizing left-controlled mainstream media that got him elected needs to be replaced by a truth-telling, pro-America media.
Posted by: Cara C | May 4, 2010, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Obama has proved to be a divisive and polarizing president that has and will continue to tear the country apart.
He seems to say one thing and do another, it is nice to see someone call him out on it for a change.
He thinks people are idiots and cannot see through his partisan lenses.
I for one have been disappointed in him, at this point it is hard to imagine voting for him again. My 2 cents.
Posted by: Racheal | May 4, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
from progressive mama, again:
Since you are so progressive and all.
Posted by: pfft | May 4, 2010 11:58:15 AM
I don’t think progressive means what you think it does. (i.e. I’ve already seen the photos and spoke out at the appropriate time… I’m not eons behind and sputtering around in hopes of not sounding pathetically out of touch because I don’t have my facts right.)
Check the photos and archives.
Do yourself a favor…actually know what in the heck you’re talking about. lol.
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So, you don’t have an answer. You got caught sputtering. And I do know what progressive means….I left off the sarc tag…..
You made up the crap about Fox News and tea partiers describing what they want to do to liberals and Obama. You didn’t provide facts. You told us to google. Wow, who knew?
“Progressive” means you are an Obama corpseman, and you’ve probably already made too much money blogging for Media Matters or Center for American Progress.
Just kidding. Progressive means taxing and spending without limit.
Posted by: pfft | May 4, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
“I’m an athiest”
do you attend the rallies James?
the rallies about taking back “real ammurrika”.
im jus sayin’ i bet the tea party ATTENDEES all SELFIDENTIFY as CONSERVATIVE christians.
as opposed to Obama, who is a liberal christian.
people carrying signs about Obama as a witchdoctor and wearing funkie tri-corner hats aren’t concerned about fiscal conservatism.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Posted by: Cara C | May 4, 2010 12:24:25 PM
Its always amusing when Randian free market unicorn believer types starts pointing the finger at the left about “utopia” and the results of attempts to enact sugarplum visions of “utopia.”
Follow the numbers. The data. The facts.
Facts and truth have a liberal bias.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Whattya want, Jake? He’s a cheap piece of goods.
Posted by: ahem | May 4, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
“when a lack of accountability on Wall Street nearly led to the collapse of our entire economy.”
Hey, Democratic Congressmen were betting against the US as well!
What did they know and when did they know it?
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
osted by: pfft | May 4, 2010 12:25:34 PM
Nope, I didn’t make it up. Its all there. Easy to find. That you have poor googling skills doesn’t surprise me, but I would’ve thought you’d be familiar with Fox News archives.
I stand by my claims. Only partisan nuts with their heads in the sand don’t know what happened or understand the timeline.
The tea partiers thought they were really funny and they got it turned around on them, and now they feign outrage.
lol. They’re thin-skinned whiners.
As for links, try posting one. They get scrubbed.
Progressive means for progress as opposed to conservative which means conserving the status quo when it comes to power and wealth structure, come what may, even if its to your disadvantage (as long as you’re taking care of Big Biz and your patriarchs!!)
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
What I don’t understand is hatred for someone because they disagree with you. I can understand heatedly disagreeing and even being angry because one’s viewpoint is being misrepresented, but I cannot understand being angry with someone for holding a opinion contrary to one’s own. What compels the left is speak with hatred bordering on hysteria? I don’t understand it.
Posted by: willis | May 4, 2010, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
This is disgusting! When Bush was in office it was patriotic to disagree with the Government, now that the tables are flipped it is unpatriotic and RACIST to disagree with the GOV!
Hypocrisy and double standards, welcome to America!
Posted by: Zander | May 4, 2010, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
What compels the left is speak with hatred bordering on hysteria? I don’t understand it.
willis | May 4, 2010 12:32:47 PM
The *left* speaks with hatred? Have you even read this thread?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Posted by: OxyCon | May 4, 2010 12:22:21 PM
Silly! He meant for YOU, not for him. “Do was I say” is the liberal lifeblood.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
And he wonders why he is called a lowlife piece of garbage and a socialist pig
He is just a racist and radical, with thin skin
another crisis-another photo op | May 4, 2010 9:56:38 AM
Yeah, there is no hatred from the right. It’s all Them on the Left.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
This is disgusting! When Bush was in office it was patriotic to disagree with the Government, now that the tables are flipped it is unpatriotic and RACIST to disagree with the GOV!
Hypocrisy and double standards, welcome to America!
Zander | May 4, 2010 12:34:28 PM
I’m not sure if you’re pointing out the hypocrisy of the Right or the Left, which amuses me greatly.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
President Obama: GOP Opposition to Stimulus ‘Helped to Create the Tea-Baggers’
He says that like the creation of the tea party was a bad thing…
Posted by: Quo Warranto | May 4, 2010, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
What people do not stop to reasonably consider is that the Tea Party movement is something that sprung up as a result of America’s core DNA being touched. This country was founded by people who felt that a government located far away was taxing them too much, growing too much in its influence and treating them as subjects rather than citizens. A lot of people feel that way today.
It is as simple as that. Obama is as big an idiot as the sycophants that blindly follow him. He is becoming caustic and more arrogant by the day. There is always a big political price to pay for such behavior.
Has anyone ever heard an American president make an appeal to citizens for votes based on their specific race, ethnicity or gender. Obama did it. What a disgrace.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
p.s. Foggy,
I will give you this much– I am working up some edge for an early afternoon match against someone who almost beat me last time– so I admit I use you all sometimes.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
In my opinion, Jake Tapper is the most fair person in the “mainstream” media. At least he calls out double-standards, and doesn’t just ignore them, like most of his “journalist” peers. Good work, Jake!
Posted by: Steve from Wisconsin | May 4, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
People forget that conservatives and libertarians were also strongly opposed to the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted following Huricane Katrina in 2005. Remember Porkbusters and “The Bridge to Nowhere”? It was the order of magnitude increase in wasteful spending from hundreds of billions of dollars to trillions of dollars that drove people to protest in public in 2009.
What is now called the tea party movement started with the Seattle “Porkulus Protest” on Presidents Day 2009. This was organized by blogger Keli Carender, Liberty Belle. Pictures of the many homemade signs from these protests clearly show opposition to government bailouts and wasteful spending. Conservative social issues and race have nothing to do with opposition to trillion dollar increases in federal government spending.
Posted by: George B | May 4, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Steve: Has anyone ever heard an American president make an appeal to citizens for votes based on their specific race, ethnicity or gender. Obama did it. What a disgrace.
Yes, his name was Ronald Reagan. As Lee Atwater admitted in the book “Southern Politics in the 1990s”, and as Michael Steele recently admitted as well, Republicans pursued the Southern Strategy of pitting whites and against blacks for votes for decades.
Posted by: jvill | May 4, 2010, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
The *left* speaks with hatred? Have you even read this thread?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010 12:34:39 PM
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No, just the most popular left wing blogs which can’t be mentioned here because the filter will eat your comment.
Posted by: Oxycon | May 4, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama is such a small man.
Posted by: ctmom | May 4, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Our “civil” president is a lying fraud. The first sitting Marxist in the White House is going to get a lesson in manner in November from the American People.
I’ve voted in every Presidential election since 1964 and this disgraceful president continues to spit on our Constitution and Americans who disagree with his socialist policies.
I just pray he doesn’t do too much damage to our Nation domestically and internationally until he is soundly defeated in 2012.
Posted by: jgreene | May 4, 2010, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
jvill:
We could go back and forth on this. Suffice to say that anyone who does what we are talking about is an idiot, and should be equally reprimanded and shunned.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
What people do not stop to reasonably consider is that the Tea Party movement is something that sprung up as a result of America’s core DNA being touched.
Steve | May 4, 2010 12:42:41 PM
Did you think the same about the millions who marched against President Bush’s war?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 4, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
jvill:
One last comment: didn’t Obama present himself as the “post racial” president. Didn’t the joke of what we call a media in this country endorse this notion? What a joke. No wonder no one pulls a buck out of their pocket to buy an newspaper anymore.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Gee, I suppose we can refer to Obama as that uppity N-word president.
Posted by: Kini | May 4, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
jhw539:
The answer to your question is, certainly. People ALWAYS have the right to express there opinions in peaceful mass gatherings. Dissent was patriotic then. Sorry, I’m no hypocrite on this point. You might be, however.
The irony here is that when Obama became president, even though he escalated in Afghanistan, the daily bodycount reports disappeared from the newspapers, and all the Code Pinkos went to demonstrate Carl Rove book signings. Might there be some hypocrisy there?
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Ok, I’ve had it. Let’s get this Civil War over with and retake the nation from the leftists.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Steve: One last comment: didn’t Obama present himself as the “post racial” president. Didn’t the joke of what we call a media in this country endorse this notion? What a joke. No wonder no one pulls a buck out of their pocket to buy an newspaper anymore.
Another fabrication. Find me a quotation of him saying that. You can’t. Why would a man, who still gets deranged claimed about being born in Kenya think he’s post-racial? Clearly, this country is not. Much like most of the feverish anger right the far right, there’s no there there. Death Panels, Greenpeace Demo teams attacking oil rigs… It’s just fantasy after fantasy used to enrage people. Even Glenn Beck recently admitted he has no interest in the political process, “I’m an entertainer” he said. You’re being played, Steve. You and millions of others in order to enrich the rightwing elites.
Posted by: jvill | May 4, 2010, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
jvill what government subsidies to you receive?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010 1:04:14 PM
Ok, I’ve had it. Let’s get this Civil War over with and retake the nation from the leftists.
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Oh, sure, it’s the *leftists* that are speaking with hatred, here.
Posted by: keddren | May 4, 2010, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
I am beginning to miss W despite all his faults, he never stooped to the garbage low levels this president has chosen to travel.
Posted by: buffman | May 4, 2010, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Posted by: buffman | May 4, 2010 1:11:43 PM
I am beginning to miss W despite all his faults, he never stooped to the garbage low levels this president has chosen to travel.
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Lying to a country in order to go to war is much better.
Posted by: keddren | May 4, 2010, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
“Glenn Beck recently admitted he has no interest in the political process, “I’m an entertainer” He is an entertainer and believes the country is being destroyed simply due to the fact that this administration and congress are purposely destroying the constitution. He may be an entertainer, but he is DEAD RIGHT too. Ask Van Jones and Anita…..
Posted by: Tony T | May 4, 2010, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
“Lying to a country in order to go to war is much better.” Can’t wait to hear, this loon? Exactly what lie did President Bush tell? WMDs were stated to be in the country by the CIA and 8 other country’s intelligence agency. Did Bush make all of them lie to the nitwits in congress? Were the Dums not smart enough to figure out the lie??? LMAO
Posted by: Tony T | May 4, 2010, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
keddren- Did Kerry lie? Did Hillary lie? Did Colin Powell lie?
Posted by: Nephron | May 4, 2010, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
“it might be too much to take on at the same time as the recession.”
This presumes the One gives as much a damn about the country as his own agenda.
And he does not.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
keddren, I am merely writing the truth. This nation as founded has nothing in common with leftists and their history of oppression, death and evil. Each individual leftist needs to consider the historical context of their belief system (Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Alinsky, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, Che, etc.). The left has always strived to destroy the individual in favor of the common good as dictated by those who know better. This is in complete opposition to the life, liberty, self-determination, self-reliance, love of God, Family and Country. Leftists today are mere foot soldiers for those tyrants that have come before them and are here today (Obama and his minions). As such, we have nothing in common with leftists. It is high time you go and create your Marxist utopia elsewhere (I guess the failure of the USSR meant nothing to you people).
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Obama is a national disgrace, and he is doing irreparable damage to his party, his allies, those he tries to represent (clearly, not all Americans), and unfortunately his race since he is the “historical” first black president.
Those with any class or dignity in the groups mentioned above would do well to speak out and distance themselves from Obama.
Once a leader who understands our country emerges to lead us away from this Obama travesty, it will take a lot of work to bring the country back together.
What a horrible chapter in American history this administration has been. I look forward to the joy and relief that will spread across the land when he is voted out of the office.
Posted by: Proud Disgusted American | May 4, 2010, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I’m surprised this “article” is still out here since no one has commented on it since yesterday. I read some of the “responses” and just sadly shook my head as to the “emotional divisiveness” of the the posts. What we all ought to be focusing in on is the “obvious lack of intellectualism” of the the Tea party movement rather than having “emotional, subjective” opinions on “what they are called”. The problem is their lack of worldliness and progrssive thinking – not what we “term” them.
Posted by: CND FOX | May 4, 2010, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“leftists and their history of oppression, death and evil. Each individual leftist needs to consider the historical context of their belief system (Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Alinsky, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Chavez, Che”
Anyone lumping Alinsky with Hitler certainly has a limited knowledge of history, but in general I just LOVE it when right-wing dumb-brains try to classify Hitler and Mussolini as “leftists.”
How about Pinochet and all the people he “disappeared”? How about Trujillo? I will put it out that it is _extremists_ at both ends of the spectrum who do horrible things to other people, but somehow the Right wants to pretend that all the bad stuff is done from the left.
Get real about mass murders from the Right and people would take your arguments much more seriously.
Posted by: Cal Gal | May 4, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
WMDs were stated to be in the country by the CIA and 8 other country’s intelligence agency
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You really haven’t researched this much. It’s already been revealed that British intelligence and American intelligence feel both those administrations cherry picked unsubstantiated information from unreliable sources – and told outright lies.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Jake: It’s a term they used for themselves long after it was pointed out to them what it meant, and you know it. Only once it really drew laughs did they reject it.
Looks to me like you’re trying to generate a story where there is none. It’s understandable I guess; conflict draws a lot of readers. But it’s not good journalism.
Posted by: Jody | May 4, 2010, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
“Reading all the nasty and down right hate filled comments” Probably started with the pres and the tea-bagger thing. He has divided this country further and deeper than any one man ever.
Posted by: Tony T | May 4, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Cal Gal your ignorance of political science is glaring. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao were all statists. I bet you thought that fascism is to the right as communism is to the left. You are sadly mistaken. Fascism is not an ideology. It is a form of statism (the state is mother and father). Apparently you also lack knowledge of history as the Nazis (National Socialist Party) and Mussolini’s government were socialist in nature, i.e., state control of everthing. Yes Hitler and Mussolini gave the appearance of free enterprise but it was simply that. Whether outright ownership or indirect control, there is no difference. You should read up before engaging those who think critically and are not wowed by Hope and Change.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Tony T | May 4, 2010 1:13:50 PM
: “Lying to a country in order to go to war is much better.”
Exactly what did W lie about? Here’s the restraint smarty pants: Choose an item he lied about that one or more Democrats (from President Clinton forward) did not state previously or simultaneously(and often, with harsher language: WMD, Nuclear, etc)?
Posted by: mbabbitt | May 4, 2010, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Jake: It’s a term they used for themselves long after it was pointed out to them what it meant, and you know it. Only once it really drew laughs did they reject it.
Looks to me like you’re trying to generate a story where there is none. It’s understandable I guess; conflict draws a lot of readers. But it’s not good journalism.
Posted by: Jody | May 4, 2010 1:36:51 PM
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Exactly, plus we’ve seen pictures of them wearing tea bags hanging from their hats – it’s only natural.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
The President lied to get into office, and lied almost immediately once in office…”My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration.” President Barack Obama, January 21, 2009.
He speaks of civility with regard to political discussions, yet has none of his own; unless you agree with him.
May I remind everyone that there was NO civility when people disagreed with George W. Bush?
The hipocracy in this administration is of cosmic proportion.
Posted by: Patrick | May 4, 2010, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
What a hack.
Posted by: eon | May 4, 2010, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
“He may be an entertainer, but he is DEAD RIGHT too.”
Beck thinks God talks to him and God is directing The Plan!
He’s a lunatic and his followers gullible.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Ryan C what is about the founding fathers and the Constitution that you dislike?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Jake: It’s a term they used for themselves long after it was pointed out to them what it meant, and you know it. Only once it really drew laughs did they reject it.
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Well, that’s a lie. But then, you lot are too deeply invested in it to ‘fess up now.
Posted by: Paul in NJ | May 4, 2010, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
**Some liberal bloggers, taking issue with this post, have noted that some Tea Partyers coined and embraced the term “tea-baggers.”**
Coined? Debatable without evidence. Even with evidence, I think it’s pretty clear which side uses the term the most, and why.
And I’m sure President Obama is hip on what the slang “tea-bagger” means, just like he knows during speeches how to use his wandering middle finger and race- and sex-baiting when he wants to play punk amateur schoolyard bully with his political opponents and the American people.
Posted by: M.T. Salutant | May 4, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
“I bet you thought that fascism is to the right as communism is to the left.”
That would be because it is.
Both the right and left have authoritarian and libertarian strains.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
I now know that for the Right “real americans” are by definition only white, Christians, with a southern accent and no comtamination with hippies. Outside the protected group all are presumed guilty, subject to arrest and torture. Torture is an instrument of oppression, and the Right advocates torture. War is an instrument of oppression, and the Right advocates war. Unlimited police power and the authority to make arbitrary arrests are an instruments of oppression, and the American Right advocates arbitrary arrests for Brown and Black people and the white people who have not joined the tribe. Totalitarians of the Right and Left both love to rewrite history to fit their cause, and you guys are writing books out of whole cloth. It must feel wonderful to hate so well.
This is pretty weak stuff Tapper. Pretty weak.
Posted by: sherparick1 | May 4, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Jake,
You have just re-defined the need for integrity in news reporting that has been missing from main stream media.
Thank you for this article and your sensible UPDATE reply. This is very honest reporting about how this offensive “slight” has developed and is embraced by liberal snipers. Liberals often offer up a lame defense for using the term by saying that the phrase was first coined by conservatives. They are fully aware that conservatives did not intend to be portrayed sexually by the term and are offended by it. MSNBC’s Maddow, Shuster, Olbermann, Matthews and CNN’s Anderson Cooper were the most prominent users of the sexually offensive interpretation of the term and seemed to express joy while doing so.
Obama has once again defiled his own WH nest and his credibility with many Americans by his intentionally hurtful use of that phrase and it will not be forgotten.
Look for the replay videos come voting season.
Thanks again for showing us some class and integrity at ABC.
Posted by: Mr Payback | May 4, 2010, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Obama lied, people out of work cried.
God let November get here already so we can make this whole nightmare go away and castrate Obama from his power trip.
Posted by: Rick A | May 4, 2010, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
“Ryan C what is about the founding fathers and the Constitution that you dislike?”
Some were slave holders, most had the opinion that women were unworthy of the rights of citizenship.
And they were just as likely to wield brutal power against their fellow Americans to put down rebellion (Shays & Whiskey) or silence criticism (Alien & Sedition Acts).
But they were brilliant for their time breaking from the dogma of monarchs and creating a structural framework for government to survive the test of time not based on blood succession.
But at the end of the day, they were still human beings and as fallible as the rest of us.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Ryan C communism is an ideology. The well spring of all big government entitlement types. Fascism as I wrote before is not an ideology rather it is form of statism: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry (courtesy Merriam Webster). Therefore you are wrong in your assumption.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
“Three days after he decried the lack of civility in American politics, President Obama is quoted in a new book about his presidency referring to the Tea Party movement using a derogatory term with sexual connotations.”
This offers proof that Obama is just another Chicago scumbag hypocrite.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Jake: It’s a term they used for themselves long after it was pointed out to them what it meant, and you know it. Only once it really drew laughs did they reject it.
Looks to me like you’re trying to generate a story where there is none. It’s understandable I guess; conflict draws a lot of readers. But it’s not good journalism.
Posted by: Jody | May 4, 2010 1:36:51 PM
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Totally agree. The tie-in with the commencement speech is absolutely ridiculous given there is a new book,not a new quote.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Might there be some hypocrisy there?
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010 1:03:02 PM
The protests have continued. Your beef is with the press.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
teabagcongress was a pretty earnest site from way back in the beginning.
Posted by: Dave X | May 4, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“Ryan C communism is an ideology. The well spring of all big government entitlement types.”
I think you mean Socialism, of which Marxism is a branch, of which Communism is a branch.
“Fascism as I wrote before is not an ideology rather it is form of statism: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry ”
Webster’s Fascism: 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
If you’re relying on Beck for your history lesson, I would suggest a trip to the library versus further embrassing yourself.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Ryan C Republican Guard, ehhh? Your analogies are weak.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Therefore you are wrong in your assumption.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010 2:06:30 PM
Actually, you are the one who is wrong and conflating and confusing several things– in a very similar fashion to how Beck and other not-so-bright American “conservatives” get it wrong. Ryan gets it right: Both the right and left have authoritarian and libertarian strains.
Fascism brings to mind the extreme and authoritarian American right moreso than the American left largely due to its corporatist, blind nationalism and singular collective identity traits.
Might want to read a little deeper and sound informed.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Oh, please, Nazism is left-wing. Just because those in the hollow-headed halls of whackademia got away with calling Nazism “right-wing” for the last six decades doesn’t make a bunch of NATIONAL SOCIALISTS “right-wing”.
Hitler, Geobbels and even Mussolini expressly identified themselves as socialists and killed others socialists whose views different from theirs. Socialists and communists aren’t above engage in fratricide. Socialists of any ilk are left-wing even if they are racist or overly “patriotic”. NAZI stood for “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. Some of the worst Jew hating racists and motherland patriots were left-wing Soviets.
Whackademia and the emerging American left needed a “right-wing” boogey man to balance their historical ledgers so it became the Nazis. However, the Nazis were socialist collectivists who attempted to create a national socialist state whereby industry was privately owned but whose production and profits were absolutely controlled by a highly-centralized authority. There’s nothing “right-wing” or conservative about that arrangement. And it’s no coincidence that Sov-Coms, Nazis, Italian Fascists, and American leftist socialists ALL DESPISE free market capitalism. Birds of feather and all that.
So please desist in the persistent lie that Nazism is “right-wing” when Hitler was trying to create a New Germany and NOT revive the old German Republican. Nothing “conservative” or “right-wing about that either. In fact, most dictatorships, given their highly centralized form of government are by definition “left-wing” – if we are to understand centralized big goverment as “left-wing”, limited representative government as “conservative/old school liberalism” and no government as extreme right-wing.
Posted by: Hankmeister | May 4, 2010, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
“In fact, most dictatorships, given their highly centralized form of government are by definition “left-wing”"
Pinochet, hero to the right wing, was a lefty?
Who’s gonna tell the ignorant masses?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
All the anti-Americans running the country into the ground is more than enough reason to form an anti-socialist party.
Posted by: Jack Kinch(1uncle) | May 4, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
… if we are to understand centralized big goverment as “left-wing”, limited representative government as “conservative/old school liberalism” and no government as extreme right-wing.
Posted by: Hankmeister | May 4, 2010 2:21:58 PM
That’s an awfully big “if” that shows how little you know about the world and the political spectrum. Either you have been very misinformed or you are a disinformer.
I suggest people read up on all this on their own rather than relying on indoctrinators. you don’t want to be a laughingstock around the world.
Anarchists are typically left wing. Both wings have authoritarian and libertarian strains.
Indeed, left libertarianism is more in keeping with classical liberalism and the principles of the constitution than American right wing libertarianism, a phenomenon considered rather peculiar among those outside the American right wing bubble.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Let me guess you think the People’s Republic of China is actually a Republic or that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a shining beacon of democracy.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010 2:22:21 PM
Nice.
And,sadly, you probably hit the nail dead center on its head.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Progressive Mama go study history and go argue with it. It speaks for itself. . All leftists today are good little bolshevicks following the call of big government (mother and father) who must rely on the collective because left alone, they are failures. I’ll take the freedom to choose my own path, make my mistakes, earn my victories, pick myself when I’m down, all without government interference anyday.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“I’ll take the freedom to choose my own path, make my mistakes, earn my victories, pick myself when I’m down, all without government interference anyday.”
So when do you leave for Somalia?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010 2:31:05 PM
You must be talking about the times the United States helped overthrow democratically elected governments and helped install repressive military regimes – that’s the good old right wing.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
“All leftists today are good little bolshevicks following the call of big government (mother and father) who must rely on the collective because left alone, they are failures.”
We are all products of a collective whether that be our school, our family, our hometown.
We do not exist inside a vacuum as solitary beings.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
I can’t believe how divisive this president it. He actually doesn’t even try to hide it. He constantly complains about the lack of civility in politics and he’s the biggest offender. Does he think we don’t notice how he insults everyone in the country unless they are agreeing with them. When will the MSM start treating him like a real politician and hold him accountable…probably never. Thank you Jake because you are one of the few who shows any signs of doing your job.
Posted by: Kim | May 4, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
If liberals want to call people ‘tea-baggers’, it’s their right. If they want to believe that conservatives identify with homosexual pranks, it’s their right.
Not that they’re right, but it’s their right. And it’s my right to call liberals anything I care to.
But maybe some of us are actually trying to have a political discussion, not just an insult session. As has been noted, ad hominem attacks are usually employed once one has run out of actual arguments.
Posted by: Bill Johnson | May 4, 2010, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Please give links to evidence that Tea Partiers ever used that derisive term for that “homosexual sex act” when referring to themselves. Tea bags on signs & hats, yes. (Those referred to the acronym forming the Tea Party moniker: T.E.A., Taxed Enough Already from the first tax day rally last year). I have heard politicians, talking heads, reporters & anchors use it: Reid, Obama in both TV & published interviews, Hardball pundits like Joe Klein & also cable newser Anderson Cooper. I have heard MSNBC hosts use it: Olbermann, Maddow & Matthews among others. I have read it at progressive blogs & sites like Democratic Underground. But I have never heard or read of an actual, real Tea Party supporter using that expression in self reference in any article I have ever read or any sound bite. You can always pick out the stealth counter-protesters by their use of that raunchy term, which BTW models one of the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” on the potency of simple derision for undermining political opponents.
Posted by: Karen | May 4, 2010, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
BTW, we had a local leftist in some letters to the editor in our local newspaper trying to deny reality by claiming any leftist socialist regime that begins killing its own citizen somehow magically becomes “right-wing”! What idiocies, just like CND FOX’s claims above.
What determines whether a regime is left-wing or right-wing is the structure of the government itself. Big government socialists are by definition “left-wing” – a big emphasis on a collectivist/progressive government that rules and ruins the lives of its citizenry.
Limited constitutional of representational governments which defuses the power of government have typically been considered “right-wing” but are actually “centristic” since it exists between left-wing big government socialism and far right-wing no goverment anarchism.
Those systems of thought which posits no government or extremely minimal government is the best arrangement are typically referred to as extreme right-wing anarchism or anarcho-socialism – that is they argue the institution of goverment is to be so transparent and unnecessary that everyone can morally govern their own lives to the point no collective or central govermental entity is needed. A great theory if everyone had such self-restraint and moral scruples.
In the real world anarchism on a large scale is an unworkable pipe dream since it denies the very nature of fallen mankind in that there are always individuals who seek to accumulate power unto themselves by any means possible.
And please don’t make me explain anarcho-syndicalism, another pipe dream political theory doomed to failure.
Posted by: Hankmeister | May 4, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists. The Founders were something new altogether, and still the most radical movement in world history. Freedom was the watchword for the Civil Rights Movement. Social Justice takes away that freedom, since it destroys incentive and initiative, bringing everyone down to a division of spoils rather than a production of wealth.
Posted by: Gary Ogletree | May 4, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
We are all products of a collective whether that be our school, our family, our hometown.
We do not exist inside a vacuum as solitary beings.
Posted by: Ryan C |
It takes a village, eh comrade?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
I would like to see him explain it to his young daughters that he refers to law abiding US citizens in sexually derogatory terms.
I will explain to my two young children that our president has a potty mouth and is a very mean and dirty man.
They will understand.
Posted by: Karen | May 4, 2010, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
I dunno…I bet could do a global replace of “liberal” with “christian” in goldbergs book Liberal Fascism and it would make more sense.
Sarah Palin and the Mormons think god should be running America, doontcha know.
;)
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
I’ll take the freedom to choose my own path, make my mistakes, earn my victories, pick myself when I’m down, all without government interference anyday.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010 2:31:05 PM
So when do you leave for Somalia?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010 2:32:51 PM
LOL.
More often than not they’re talking about going Galt to France or something.
Look at the folks down south at the moment. So much for “no government” when there is an oil spill that the self regulation by Big Biz they push for helped along.
(meanwhile, Der Opresso, your talking point masters are very proud of you– the Koch brothers send their regards and thank you for fitting in the right buzzwords and pretending you represent for liberty rather than the corporate “aristocracy”, even though you vote for people who never put your alleged principles and recited rhetoric into play, lol)
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Let me guess you think the People’s Republic of China is actually a Republic or that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a shining beacon of democracy.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010 2:22:21 PM
Good golly, no.
Obama thinks they are ideal, which is why he’s making every effort to turn this country into them.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Communism, Socialism, Marxism. I don’t care what you call it!
To anyone with a brain it’s simple to see we’re being divided. Obama thrives on chaos and he is the biggest instigator.
Something is going on behind the scenes that we Americans are going to regret.
Posted by: ChicoDon | May 4, 2010, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
“Freedom was the watchword for the Civil Rights Movement. Social Justice takes away that freedom”
Nothing is more disgusting than the recent move by the right wing to get Christian approval of their ideology of greed and selfishness by eliminating social justice as a central tenet of it.
The abolisitonists believed in social justice.
The Civil Rights movement believed in social justice.
No wonder the right wing hates social justice.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
I dunno…I bet could do a global replace of “liberal” with “christian” in goldbergs book Liberal Fascism and it would make more sense.
Sarah Palin and the Mormons think god should be running America, doontcha know.
;)
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010 2:51:13 PM
Nice point. Very spot on.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
“Obama thinks they are ideal, which is why he’s making every effort to turn this country into them.
Posted by: drjohn | May 4, 2010 2:52:09 PM”
Tell me again how chemoterapy is experimental….
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
The update is really amazing.
It actually seems true because, um, it is true.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
“.I bet could do a global replace of “liberal” with “christian” in goldbergs book Liberal Fascism”
I almost forgot how much Beck relies on that book to spew his idiocy to his gullible audience who then, like good little parrots, repeat it.
Its the circle of lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Posted by: matoko_chan
Gonna go ahead and put you down for a Christianist.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010 2:58:45 PM
I can’t speak for Ryan C, but based on his posts, I doubt he’s voted for many Republicans. Like me, I’m pretty sure his conscience will be clear, alongside a few others.
The question is how will you explain being so easily duped time and again given your family history and what you should know?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
I can’t speak for Ryan C, but based on his posts, I doubt he’s voted for many Republicans.
Posted by: progressive mama |
He also voted against the tax hikes in California last year so walking the walk doesn’t appear to be his thing.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
“Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists.” No, Foghorn, they weren’t – and you get an “F” for today’s lesson. The nazis called themselves “socialist” intentionally, in a Karl Rove-style case of propaganda, to get people on their side. Although, your misunderstanding is a common one among right-wingers, and may explain why so many right-wingers seem so ignorant. Mussolini and Hitler were both FASCISTS – look that up in ANY legitimate historical reference, and you will find it to be true. Fascism is an extreme RIGHT_WING ideology, and Hitler and Mussy were both RIGHT WING extremists. Many say that today’s American conservatives have strong fascist tendencies, e.g their religious support of any and all corporations and corporate power. Look up Mussolini’s definition of fascism, and you will find it closely describes today’s USA, a country that most political scientists agree is a right-wing country. Gee, Foghorn – would education make you more liberal?
Posted by: Jay Dana | May 4, 2010, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
“Nothing is more disgusting than the recent move by the right wing to get Christian approval of their ideology of greed and selfishness by eliminating social justice as a central tenet of it”
I must wholeheartedly concur. It would take far too much courage for them to admit Jesus was the king of bleeding heart liberals.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
“He also voted against the tax hikes in California last year so walking the walk doesn’t appear to be his thing.”
I realize context matters little to you but I vote against most propositions in CA as they are usually misleading.
In this particular case it was because I think the legislature and Governor should actually do their jobs when it comes to budgetary matters.
Odd to remeber such a thing though….people might start to talk.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Can I please point out that the reason the TPM got blindsided by the UD (urban dictionary) is there is a giant disconnect between the TPM and the youth demographic?
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
“I must wholeheartedly concur. It would take far too much courage for them to admit Jesus was the king of bleeding heart liberals.”
That whole rich man’s chance at heaven, camel through the eye of the needle thing really gets them.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
“It would take far too much courage for them to admit Jesus was the king of bleeding heart liberals.” Indeed! And, that Jesus was an absolute RADICAL pacifist!! But, see, that’s where the whole thing breaks down … the term “Christian Conservative” is an oxymoron, if the reference is to poltical conservatism. The New Testament does, yes, encourage the ideal of PERSONAL conservatism – the kind of conservatism that George Washington advocated (and lots of us liberals practice in our daily lives) even while he stated that he would be “A liberal till the day I die”, and that he hoped liberalism would spread around the globe! Yep, that’s right, folks – G. Washington was an AVOWED liberal!! Look it up – and then ponder just how anti-American political conservatism really is!!
Posted by: Jay Dana | May 4, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
I mean…..lets be honest.
The Tea Party Express doesn’t go to Cooltown.
It only goes to crazytown.
My demographic grew up ‘t-bagging’ our fallen guildies in WoW.
We don’t think of taxation without representation in the context of tea.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
Skip, Jesus said give onto Caeser what is Caser’s and give onto God what is God’s. There is a distinction between voluntary charitable giving and forced redistribution of wealth. Jesus would not have supported the latter.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
‘t-bagging’ is gamespk or l33tspk.
it permeates mainstream culture.
Epic Fail came from gamespk.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
“I realize context matters little to you but I vote against most propositions in CA as they are usually misleading”
I will be a witness to that event for whatever it’s worth Foghorn. Ryan was courteous enough to take time out of his busy day debunking right-wing baloney to explain to me personally how he feels these propositions are passing the buck…something that had not occurred to me before since we rarely have such high profile referendums here in the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“Jesus would not have supported the latter”
Of course not, it’s supposed to be voluntary. But woe to them who do not volunteer.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
It is pure comedy reading the liberal progressive posts on this site. I am facinated by the rationalizations these poor fools use to explain away the DUMB moves made by the current admin. The reason this country led the world for over two hundred years is not based on progressive ideology, but conservative-independant thought. Our God given unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness means you are free to live your life to the best of your individual abilities. Not sit on the couch and collect the welfare check and fat pensions from no longer needed labor unions courtesy of the USA taxpayer. Bag your own tea!
Posted by: Meister Hank | May 4, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“Nice try, Ryan – well not really, kinda amateur.”
Jay, I think you meant some one else.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Ryan C what government subsidies do you currently receive?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
My apologies, Foghorn, I see it was Gary making that claim (“the arrow points down, not up, Goofy!”). Easy to get riled when I see the same nonsense repeated all the time. “Hitler was a socialist” is one of the Wrong Wing’s most beloved lies. BTW – for all those here who think “socialist” is an immediate “bad word”, let me point out that one of the highest standards of living today, along with one of the longest life-spans, best physical health, best familial strength, and LOTS of other quality-of-life measures – is enjoyed by the citizens of the proudly socialist SWEDEN. And yes, they can own their own homes, and quit their jobs when they want to, and move around as they wish, and own big corporations (IKEA, Volvo, Big Pharma). 100 years of right-wing lying about this will not be easily undone, though.
Posted by: Jay Dana | May 4, 2010, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
skip, so you you consider government “redistribution of wealth” as volunteering?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
DUMB moves
hmm…a strange way to describe 11D chess.
HCR passed….FinReg is in debate (while the media fuses the Goldman-Sachs bankstahs currently on trial with the GOP)….DISCLOSE, Obamanesty, and cap-n-trade are going to hit the floor before november, and Obama gets to appoint his SCOTUS before we are even 2 years in.
Our guy got HCR passed, and you cant repeal it.
What did your guy promise you?
Oh yeah…..Waterloo.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“Some liberal bloggers, taking issue with this post, have noted that some Tea Partyers coined and originally embraced the term “tea-baggers.” Oh really? So they would naturally approve of the President of U.S. using such an abusive and sexually explicit term during their son’s or daughter’s commencement address? Wasn’t he actually undermining the underlying point of his address by dropping the term? I suppose this was one of those teachable moments when one can see such flagrant hypocrisy and immaturity in action. I suppose this was to have special meaning because it came from the leader of highest official of their nation.
Posted by: TW | May 4, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
The reason this country led the world for over two hundred years is not based on progressive ideology, but conservative-independant thought.
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Actually, conservative thought isn’t independent, it’s bought and paid for by the “aristocrats.” And the reason this country has become what it is after being founded on lofty and liberal ideals is because many believed in progress and revolution– you know, science, technology, social advancement, justice, liberty and so on. (In the French Revolution, the rightwingers, the conservatives, were the ones against freedom and in lockstep with the king, yes? scared to death of change and moving forward. scared to death of equal opportunity and liberty; scared to death of upsetting the apple cart of tradition and power and wealth being in the hands of a few)
What amuses me is how backwards the conservatives have it– and that they know there are others as easily duped who will buy it.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
SECOND scotus.
<3
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
“I will be a witness to that event for whatever it’s worth Foghorn. Ryan was courteous enough to take time out of his busy day debunking right-wing baloney to explain to me personally how he feels these propositions are passing the buck.”
The worst one I have seen happened a year or two ago.
T Boone Pickens sponsored a prop that set high standards for the state to produce alternative energy.
The catch (among others such as this being a bond)was failure to meet these goals would have locked the state into buying renewable energy out of state (indeed the law required it)
Guess who owns most of the wind farms in NV and AZ as well as a large market share of vehicles that run on natural gas?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
“The reason this country led the world for over two hundred years is not based on progressive ideology, but conservative-independant thought.”
Huh?
We were a backwater country that the world though of as its refuse bin until we got a taste of imperialism in the late 19th century.
We did attempt to lead the world post WW1 but after the League of Nations collapsed we shifted into an isolationist posture.
It was not until WW2 that we became a world leader.
“Conservative-independant thought” seems like so much newspeak with the actual meaning being “make it up as I go along to fit the argument”
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
So they would naturally approve of the President of U.S. using such an abusive and sexually explicit term during their son’s or daughter’s commencement address? Wasn’t he actually undermining the underlying point of his address by dropping the term?
Posted by: TW | May 4, 2010 3:35:35 PM
__________________________________
He didn’t. Read the article above.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Jay Dana if you are so sure, read the book.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Ryan C what has this country not done for you that you have such dislike of free enteprise and free will?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Maybe the intent isn’t so much to mock as a refusal to let a right-wing fringe movement claim a significant part of our shared history. The tea-baggers have next to nothing in common with the Boston Tea Party. They are not being taxed without representation, they merely lost an election, fair and square. I think journalists like Tapper are doing our country a disservice by treating this bunch of sore losers as new and relevant political force, rather than acknowledge that they are merely Republicans in drag.
Posted by: JohnnyC | May 4, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Jay Dana, aside from labels, how do you distinguish Marxism from Fascism? They both destroy the individual, they both impose the government’s will on the individual, they both work towards the “good” of the collective, they both deal harshly with critics, they both control the economies of state, etc. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“so you you consider government “redistribution of wealth” as volunteering?”
First of all we should not assume that redistribution of wealth means funds are going to the poor. During the Bush administration we were redistributing wealth to the richest Americans.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
You haven’t refuted my statement, Liber. Show me the proof that it’s not correct.
Posted by: Jay Dana | May 4, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“Ryan C what has this country not done for you that you have such dislike of free enteprise and free will?”
Its exactly because of what this country has done for me and the opportunities presented to me as well as its ideals and principles that I feel the need to reciprocate.
I don’t use our great country’s ideals and principles as a rationaliztion for my material wants or ambitions.
Right wingers like yourself apparently feel differently.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“First of all we should not assume that redistribution of wealth means funds are going to the poor. During the Bush administration we were redistributing wealth to the richest Americans.”
But right wingers are just fine with that kind of redistribution.
Its when the poor and more specifically minorities who are poor getting tax payer dollars that sets them afire.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Ryan C Can the “rich” keep the money they earn?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Posted by: TW | May 4, 2010 3:35:35 PM
__________________________________
He didn’t. Read the article above.
Posted by: tierra | May 4, 2010 3:41:21 PM
Thanks for posting that. My post on the same topic may have been a little harsh– but…. YOWZA!!
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
“Ryan C Can the “rich” keep the money they earn?”
Sure, with the expectation of course that they pay the taxes that creates the infrastructure they are dependent upon to create their wealth.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Ryan C define “the infrastructure they are dependent upon to create their wealth”.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Completely Classless Man. I can no longer stand to listen to any of his utterances. I thought slick willy disgraced the presidency but this clown is worse.
Posted by: Leroy | May 4, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Right, “liberal bloggers” complained about your blatant misstatement. Because if a “liberal blogger” corrects your factual errors, they’re not really egregious errors.
Posted by: Sonia | May 4, 2010, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Sorry about your update JAke but this term was first used by Anderson Cooper. Someone who should know a lot about “tea-bagging” and what it really means.
Posted by: allswell | May 4, 2010, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Jay Dana, read the book. The author’s learned opinion is that Nazism (German Fascism) is very similar to Marxism. To bad for you that can’t dispute the similarities between Nazism and Marxism that I posted earlier.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
C’mon Jake, lets be honest.
The TPM is a white conservative christian grievance movement. It has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, and everything to do with the demographic timer and cultural evolution.
There is no culture war…there is only an evolution of culture…. event like glaciation or the extinction event at the K-T boundary.
And the TPM is just one big tantrum that they cant “take THEIR country back”.
And the only reason you media elites give the TPM memespace is that you can’t sell a one-sided fight. Its rubberband theory from the gameverse….if you want the conservatives to Play the Game you have to lower the standards for them….leveling a skillarchy.
<3
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“Ryan C define “the infrastructure they are dependent upon to create their wealth”.”
Well let’s see, there’s the literal
such as the transportation of goods via the government built road system.
There’s the legal in which companies operate under the same laws.
Then there’s the innovation spurred by gov’t research and investment, such as this thing we are using to communicate.
There’s a reason that commerce and capitalism don’t exist beyond the incredibly small scale in places with failed or non existent governments.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Jay Dana that would not be true socialism unless the state owns all property. Sounds more like Government protectionism meaning they chose who succeeds. BTW, Hitler was a fascist kind of like the current democrats that vote party over country and citizens.
Posted by: Leroy | May 4, 2010, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Obama is a socialist who has never exercised the slightest bit of restraint in his support of government spending. That he would truly hate, and use every effort to demean, those who believe in fiscal responsibility, comes as no surprise.
Here’s my response to both him and the rest of you lying, thieving socialists: keep your damned hands out of my pockets and away from the money I earned myself. You’ve lied about Social Security and every other socialist policy we’ve ever had in this country. They’re all ponzi schemes, and they’re all going broke.
Wind up Social Security, end medicare and medicaid, and end government aid to education, and watch the cost of government, medical care and education PLUMMET. Socialists destroy everything they touch because their underlying philosophy can only have the slightest hope of temporary success in a closed, racially and theologically undivided society. In a multicultural society as America is now, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Don’t think so? Look at what Greece is doing to the Euro right now. Freeloading will do that, and socialism draws freeloaders like rotten garbage draws flies.
Posted by: mac | May 4, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
kind of like the current democrats that vote party over country and citizens.
Posted by: Leroy | May 4, 2010 4:07:13 PM
Are you pretending Republicans don’t vote party over country– including those in Congress? Ever read some of the political excuses for the scorched earth obstructionism– or listen to people explain why they voted for a ticket with Palin on it even though they think she’s dumb and unqualified?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Ryan C if you mean infrastructure in the literal sense then the “rich” already pay. I’m sure you are familiar with the 53%/47% dichotomy between tax payers and entitled. As an aside, do you know why government is in the “infrastructure” business? Private enterprise simply does not see it as profitable. Therefore, the government fills a necessary void. As far as R&D you must be kidding if you think government is the perverbial fountain of knowledge. Yes government has had successes, e.g., NASA, however private enterprise is where innovation is truly born. Did the government lay down the first transatlantic communicaiton cable? No it was a private enterprise. I do not know what you mean by “legal in which companies operate”. If anything, government does more to impede business (see the as an example FDA) than it does to further it.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
C’mon Tapper,
just admit it….you aren’t journalists…..you are fight promoters.
lawl.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
progressive mama “scorched earth obstructionism” is that what you call standing against the tide of Marxism?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Posted by: mac | May 4, 2010 4:10:45 PM
Then don’t vote for anyone who hasn’t take tough stances against those ponzi schemes you hate. Vote out every incumbent that helped expand government or government spending during Bush’s terms as well as Obama’s terms.
And actually work toward putting into practice the rote talking points you’ve memorized but that American conservatives never seem to really push for when push comes to shove and you know we’re dealing with reality and results.
Personally, I think you’re full of bluster. Either that or you’re like the dude in the Tolles cartoon– the guy with a house on fire telling the fire department to go home because he doesn’t want no stinking government help.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 4, 2010, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
“If anything, government does more to impede business (see the as an example FDA) than it does to further it.”
I am baffled as to why ANYONE would think food inspection should handled privately.
Are right wingers really longing for a simpler time when food borne illness went unchecked because simple sanitary conditions interfered with profit margin?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
All of you who are identifying the Tea Party Movement as “right wingers” are clearly not up-to-snuff on the composition of the membership. I know for a fact there are quite a few democrats and independents in the group. I honestly do not see what is so offensive about them… all they want is for government to do what WE all must do: Responsibly stay within specified spending limits. If they cannot control their spending, then we, the voters, must. It is not right to pass such debt onto future generations. Only greedy or lazy people would wish to receive what they did not earn to the detriment of another. The actions of this president and congress are immoral.
Posted by: Joyous One | May 4, 2010, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Ryan C perhaps I should have been clearer. I am referring to the drug side of the agency. Do you know how long it takes and how much it costs to bring a drug to market? The waits can be measured in years that it is caught up in the FDA (after clinical trials). Moreover, the cost is measured in the millions. Why do you think meds are expensive here? This government bureaucracy has been heavily criticized by all sides for its sloth like movement.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
“All of you who are identifying the Tea Party Movement as “right wingers” are clearly not up-to-snuff on the composition of the membership”
Self identified tea party sympathizers in polling are more likely to be Republican and wealthier than the average person and are far more likely to be Conservative, white and male.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Joyous One:
You are right. It is as simple as you say,and the fact that Obama and a lot of politicians discount the millions of people that feel this way is to their own political peril.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
By the way, I am an Independent.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
“I am referring to the drug side of the agency. Do you know how long it takes and how much it costs to bring a drug to market? The waits can be measured in years that it is caught up in the FDA (after clinical trials”
So you think that drug makers should be able to make any claims they want about medication to say nothing of about the safety of the product itself?
We’ve seen the folly of that in the supplement business that actively preys on the desperate and sad to say gullible.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
“Why do you think meds are expensive here?”
Are you saying that Socialist Europe and Canada do not have an extensive drug testing system?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Wrong, Mr. TOTUS, YOU created the Tea Party. YOU and YOU alone. And I am so happy you did. We have grown into several MILLION patriotic citizens who don’t want BIG GOVERNMENT, uncontrollable spending and selling our grandchildren’s future to CHINA! So, Thank You. We’ll see you in November and again in 2012!
Posted by: Sunnyr | May 4, 2010, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Anyone who says that Tea Partiers members or “sympathizers” are more likely to be Republican, wealthier, conservative, white and male have obviously not read the news lately or even watched television. Nearly every poll of actual members indicate that the majority of the members are independents and in fact Republicans make up less than half of the movement. The majority of the Republicans that are protesting are older citizens and many are retired. However, it is mainly the Obama’s coveted independent voter that is disgusted with his “transparency” and his outright trash talk about anyone that disagrees with any of his policy decisions. He is like a child. He cannot stand any criticism and that is why he is on TV daily trashing someone mainly G.W. Bush. That lame excuse is no longer working and he knows he is gone in 2012. That is why he is doing as much destruction as possible to our Constitution and to our economy. What a piece of trash…Clinton was immoral but at least he did not hate America.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
This is a call to all Americans alerting you to a dangerous egomaniac behind the wheel. Argue terms and history but look for patterns
of despotism, because they are there. Look anyone with a few slivers of street smarts
knows that this deeply troubled
President and his inept gang of
radicals care only about raw power. They will do
anything to aggregate more of it and use it on you
the gullible people/media
who created this communist Frankenstein
wrapped in DNC clothing. Decent liberal/conservative people are being used to divide and conquer by this administration. This is a thug,
banana republic President who
uses and abuses people and power. This is done with race, technicalities, demonization, projection and bold mendacity. Explore the dangerous
people involved in this administration. Look at the
thin skinned attacks against the media taking place. They cannot handle the
light of day on their true intentions. This leader
has so much bad karma for absolutely lying about everything and stabbing the citizenry in the
back with a corrupt health care bill that should
be at the bottom of a fireplace.
Posted by: BobbyCalifornia | May 4, 2010, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
“Anyone who says that Tea Partiers members or “sympathizers” are more likely to be Republican, wealthier, conservative, white and male have obviously not read the news lately”
Yes I saw that FoxNews went to great lengths to show the black guy.
But in the reality based commuunity.
NYT “Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.”
“The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.
“They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.””
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Ryan C if you wish, go study the FDA and its methods of operations. You can then decide for yourself if the machinery of bureaucracy is helpful in that instant.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
“Ryan C if you wish, go study the FDA and its methods of operations. You can then decide for yourself if the machinery of bureaucracy is helpful in that instant.”
You can barely articulate your point in regards to drug costs or even the wisdom of allowing private industry to regulate for itself something like the food we eat or the medication we take and you think I should study up?
You are familiar with the term snake oil salesman and what it literally is derived from right?
Or was that just an example a beauty of the freemarket?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Ryan C why can’t you get over the fact that the Tea Party encompasses a broad spectrum of people who oppose Obama’s radical agenda? This is not about race it is about protecting our country from the scourge of Marxism in whatever its form. Obama is the embodiment of the push for more control over the lives of private citizens. If you can’t see that then so be it.
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
The most classless, unqualified, ignorant, anti-American, anti-freedom person in the country happens to reside in the White House.
We have elected people who claim to be so intellectual and no clue, not a clue what they are doing and the damage are they are doing to our nation.
I don’t want them thrown out of office, that is too easy. Impeachment of these tyrants and execution by firing squad is a punishment that fits the crime.
Posted by: Randall | May 4, 2010, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
“Ryan C why can’t you get over the fact that the Tea Party encompasses a broad spectrum of people who oppose Obama’s radical agenda?”
Because it doesn’t embrace a broad spectrum of people, poll after poll bores that out.
The premise itself is a lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
No one mentioned the “Black Guy” until you brought it up. Race is not the issue. However you are the typical liberal that pretends to be tolerant but yet you always bring up race in the end. It is like it is imprinted in the liberal mind and used when unable to make a legitimate argument. Liberals are far more racist than any other political philosophy.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
“This is not about race it is about protecting our country from the scourge of Marxism in whatever its form’
ROFLMAO!
Yeah campaign on ending Social Security and Medicare.
That would be a landslide for the ages.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
“No one mentioned the “Black Guy” until you brought it up.”
Hey give THE Black Guy credit.
He’s a celebrity in right wing circles.
“Liberals are far more racist than any other political philosophy.”
Projection…its what’s for dinner.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
This is typical of someone whose only capable of being an agitator and not a leader.
Posted by: Man-caused-disaster | May 4, 2010, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
And by the way, It was MSNBC that went out of their way to find the black guy so Ms. O’Donnell could ask him if he ever felt out of place, trying to imply he was not welcome…..He put her right in her place saying he was among his people….Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Ryab C your poestings greatly resemble
those of the poster loyal opposition. Are you the same poster using a different handle?
Posted by: reel_e_66 | May 4, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
The Tea Party people are TAX PAYERS, NOT TERRORISTS! DAMN!
Posted by: Zander | May 4, 2010, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Thanks for sticking up for the Tea Partyers Jake. How about doing some real journalism and investigating “Emerald Cities” and its ties to Van Jones, The Apollo Alliance, and The Tides Foundation to name a few?
Posted by: Patriot Sherry | May 4, 2010, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Ryan C unfortunately Medicare and Social Security are too deeply engrained in this culture. No has the political courage to do the obvious. They should be shut down for all the waste, fraud, government hand in the cookie jar, etc., and yes they are socialist programs. Let me put it this way, what is it that you want your country to do for you?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“What?? You empty-headed, tyrannical leftists fail to mention that 45% of the Tea Party are Democrats and Independents.”
So that means at least 55% are Republicans.
When self ided GOPers are in the low 30% in polling.
IOW, the tea parties are far more Republican than the average American.
In the same NYT/CBS poll, 0% described themselves as very liberal, 4% described themselves as somewhat liberals and 20% described themselves as moderate. 34% described themselves as at least somewhat conservative with 39% describing themselves as very conservative.
That compares with 4, 16, 38, 22, and 12% respectively among non tea partiers.
IOW, tea parties are even more likely to be very conservative than even being Republicans versus the average American.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
You can barely articulate your point in regards to drug costs or even the wisdom of allowing private industry to regulate for itself something like the food we eat or the medication we take and you think I should study up?
Posted by: Ryan C |
You should study up. We no longer talk about drug costs in this country. Barry sold us out for a bag of beans and some Harry Reid political ads.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“What?? You empty-headed, tyrannical leftists fail to mention that 45% of the Tea Party are Democrats and Independents.”
So that means at least 55% are Republicans.
Posted by: Ryan C |
Actually it means AT MOST 55% are Republicans but you got the 55 part right.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 4, 2010, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Ryan C,
The average American doesn’t believe in a failed tyrannical ideology that cost the lives of 100 million people over the 20th century.
The average American still believes in liberty and not the deception you sell as rainbows that is nothing more than totalitarianism.
We fight against your oppression, no matter the left-wing bias of the press, no matter of the slandera no matter the charges of racism.
We will fight you and take your lives if necessary to become free again.
Posted by: Randall | May 4, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Ryan C, don’t avoid the question.
What is it that you want your country to do for you?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
“Actually it means AT MOST 55% are Republicans but you got the 55 part right.”
NYT/CBS has it at 54% GOP, 5% Dem and 36% Ind.
But thanks for backing me up how the tea parties are far more Republicans than the average American.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
“Ryan C unfortunately Medicare and Social Security are too deeply engrained in this culture”
So the “scourge of Marxism” should be fought wherever it rears its head unless it proves immensely popular.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
“You should study up. We no longer talk about drug costs in this country”
So you feel the FDA review process is why our drugs are more expensive than elsewhere in the world?
Or did you realize another non de plume was going down in flames and look to change the subject?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Ryan C “So you feel the FDA review process is why our drugs are more expensive than elsewhere in the world?”
As I wrote before R&D + FDA contribute to the high costs of meds. You do know what R&D stands for, right?
Posted by: De Oppresso Liber | May 4, 2010, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Not Racist, Not Violent, just no longer SILENT!
Posted by: Brick Dewey | May 4, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
“Ryan C, don’t avoid the question.
What is it that you want your country to do for you?”
ROFLMAO!
Speaking of avoiding questions, I notice every time your reliance on the Book of Beckian knowledge makes a fool out of you when reality is brought in, you seek to change the subject.
But I digress…
I want my country to live up to the ideals we say represent this country.
Too often we fall short of those ideals but one of the great things we have learned as a country is recognizing and seeking to correct mistakes.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
“As I wrote before R&D + FDA contribute to the high costs of meds. You do know what R&D stands for, right?”
So why do drugs here cost more than in countries that are a great deal more regulated than ours?
You claimed it was the FDA.
Back it up.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
The National Equality March wasn’t held until October 2009. So I, for one, was aware of the double meaning but not of the Tea Partier objections at that time.
Posted by: Steve | May 4, 2010, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
If so, so what?
Posted by: Redford | May 4, 2010, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
“NYT/CBS has it at 54% GOP, 5% Dem and 36% Ind.”
And I’m willing to bet many of those self-described ‘independents’ vote Republican every time.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
“We will fight you and take your lives if necessary to become free again”
Inciting violence against your fellow Americans is not only shameful, it will undoubtedly lead to your permanent institutionalized incarceration.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Of course he’s called the Tea Party (and Republicans) names. That IS Obama’s game. He is working very hard to pit the two parties against each other. He has laughed at us, baited us, sent SWAT teams to our gatherings. So what? We still know how to vote. Obama isn’t MY president – he’s president to Democrats and Liberals and Socialists only. His loss.
Posted by: Joan J | May 4, 2010, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
“And I’m willing to bet many of those self-described ‘independents’ vote Republican every time.”
The approval numbers of the Republican party and George Bush are the opposite of the rest of the country.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Fact: The tea party people are mostly republicans.
Fact: They do not represent middle America or the middle income people of the USA as most people think. They are over 50, well educated, rich and many are professionals or own a business and are basically set for their retirement. They don’t have to worry about raising children with no health care, nor do they have to worry about finding jobs or losing their homes. As I said before…the middle income people have been ignored and taxed to death and finally, someone came along to help them. This president is the one who really cares about them. Do you remember for years people wanted affordable health care…they now have it. People wanted stem cell research,..they now have it. Health care for children..they now have it. Equal pay for women..they now have it. Now it is time for him to address the banks and who is fighting him…the republicans. They are in the pocket of the banks as Boehner went there in Dec. to say he would fight to defeat this bill if they would donate. Do you think an agreement was made? I do. Obama is being called a socialist because he cares for middle America…finally someone cares. People please realize this is your hope. If republicans get back in…Ceo’s will be estatic and bankers will dance in the streets. We need to think about this.
Posted by: talmag | May 4, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
If anyone is talking about shutting down Social Security calculate how much you have paid in FICA taxes over your lifetime and tell me that you do not deserve at least the money that you have put into the system. I have been paying for 36 years expecting at least some sort of token retirement for all of the money the government has bilked out of my pay. This money was not meant to be spent on anything other than a retirement token for those who have paid into the system. The government needs to start with NOT paying illegal aliens SS since they have probably not put a single dime into the system. The politicians should also quit borrowing money against the funds in SS. They should also put a minimum number of years contributing to SS before being eliglible for a retirement check.(Oh, that already happens unless you are here illegally.) IF they continue the way the have been they are no better than the companies that went bankrupt and stole their employees retirement funds. The government had no interest in bailing out these taxpayers and their lifetime savings yet they will bail out any ####### that owns a bank. Imagine paying into a private retirement plan for 30 years and it just disappears because your company stole it. It happens everyday in this country and by God people deserve the money they paid into SS.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
“This president is the one who really cares about them. Do you remember for years people wanted affordable health care…they now have it”
This president does not care about anyone except for his precious unions. As far as health care, please tell me where I can go to get the free treatment for my child as promised by Obama. Also…..tell me where I can purchase an affordable policy to cover my family. You can’t because it is a bunch of B/S that does not exist. Health care costs are going to increase and so are policy premiums. How else are you going to pay for the extra 30 million people and all of the illegal aliens given amnesty? YOu think that is going to be free or even affordable? You really fell for it.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Well, according to her own words, Nancy Pelosi agrees with them. So, do ya think she may’ve been lying in hopes of stopping the bleeding?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 4, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
“The government needs to start with NOT paying illegal aliens SS since they have probably not put a single dime into the system.”
You have this backwards.
Illegal immigrants often pay payroll taxes but do not collect the benefits derived from them.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
GOP opposition to illegal immigration helped create the Tequila Party. Did you see all the anger, hate and violence from them last weekend?
Posted by: jerry | May 4, 2010, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
“Leftist Motto: I am too lazy, indoctrinated, ignorant, incompetent, and pathetic to take care of myself”
Fomenting the myth that right-wingers are the only ones who really work. Some of these illegal immigrants work alot harder every day than fat-cat monkey suits who shovel around nominal wealth on computer screens all day.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
NO I do not have it backwards. It was just reported last week that illegal immigrants are making a profit by paying taxes to the tune of $19,000 dollars a year. Just do a google search and you will find it. When they are getting food stamps, health care, and tax benefits that most Americans are not eligible for they are coming out on top. They benefit from the government more than you or your family ever have…..thats because you are paying for them to be here. If you want them here volunteer to pay extra taxes.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
“And yes, we have a legitimate right to take the lives of those who would oppress us, terrorize us, steal from us and enslave us”
To stay out of jail you’re going to have to prove to a jury that somebody actually did any of those things to you….Good Luck!
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Look at Skip’s wealth envy!
Fat cat suits blah, blah, blah. It’s none of your damn business how much people make, none!
You want to vote in tryants that use the force of government to plunder the property of hard working people. If illegal aliens don’t like the pay maybe they should return to their country of origin.
Oh wait, their countries are an unbridled, lacking of rule of law, leftist hellhole. Why, these countries are a leftist dream! I’m sure the posters here with their failed tyrannical agenda would be flocking to these Utopian wonderlands. Mexico, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela….leftist paradise!
Oh wait……
Posted by: Randall | May 4, 2010, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Control of illegal aliens is not a supply problem. It is a demand problem.
If American businesses were harshly penalized for hiring an illegal there would be less of a problem. Illegals do the work most Americans do not want to do. How many illegals have taken the place of IT workers? Teachers? Air Plane
pilots, and the list goes on. America’s willing to hire illegals because they can pay them a days wage for a weeks worth of work. Additionally, it is the American business man, the almighty capitalists that keep our borders ppealing. Punish the fire and not the moths that fly to it. After fighting two Wars to define who we are, it’s apparent a small minority have no idea what America is and stands for. Put on your hateful Tea bag hats and yell inaccurate, uninformed comments until you are all blue in the face. Fact is you are a national disgrace. A blight on the beautiful Red, White, and Blue American flag. Tea Party people Re Americans in name only. America should not be stained by a handful of fringers.
Posted by: reel_e_66 | May 4, 2010, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
“GOP opposition to illegal immigration helped create the Tequila Party. Did you see all the anger, hate and violence from them last weekend?”
Yes, believe it or not I did see the violence from the Tequilla Party, no thanks to the state controlled media. I think FOX was the only network that showed the arrests and the violence. The other networks just described the protests as “Mostly peaceful”. I do not know why these networks continue with these games. The American people are not as stupid as the media believes. YOu would think their ratings would tell them something. They are talking themselves out of a job. They have to know they only appeal to about 14% of th e population that are considered rabid liberals.
Posted by: PowerPC | May 4, 2010, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
So what if “some liberal bloggers” claim that the Tea Party first used the term “tea-baggers”? And why would you say that it “seems true”?
I’ve heard this myth repeated many times by the left, but I have yet to see a shred of credible evidence that it actually occurred.
Then again, that mere puts it in the same ballpark with the still-unproven claim that Tea Party protesters shouted the N-word at least “15 times” at black Congressmen. Repeat a lie often enough and some people regard it as fact.
Posted by: I.C. Bias | May 4, 2010, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
“NO I do not have it backwards. It was just reported last week that illegal immigrants are making a profit by paying taxes to the tune of $19,000 dollars a year”
Yeah by the Heritage foundation warmed over from when the lie was last used in 2006.
Again, where do illegal immigrants get Social Security as you claimed they did.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Another example of this arrogant liar talking out of both sides of his mouth. He can certainly lecture but he does exactly as he wishes even though it totally disregards what he’s just lectured on. He’s pathetic! And another book? He not only flies around the world, parties, entertains, golfs, vacations but now he has another book? When does he have time to be president? I know, he doesn’t! That’s why we have so many crises!
Posted by: MaryA | May 4, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
“It’s none of your damn business how much people make, none!”
I wasn’t talking about how much anybody makes, I was talking about how hard they work. When it comes to how much–sure right-wingers want other people to do the hard work, but pay them as little as possible to do it.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
this bears repeating..
C’mon Jake, lets be honest.
The TPM is a white conservative christian grievance movement. It has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, and everything to do with the demographic timer and cultural evolution.
There is no culture war…there is only an evolution of culture event… like glaciation or the extinction event at the K-T boundary.
And the TPM is just one big tantrum that they cant “take THEIR country back”.
And the only reason you media elites give the TPM memespace is that you can’t sell a one-sided fight. Its rubberband theory from the gameverse….if you want the conservatives to Play the Game you have to lower the standards for them….leveling a skillarchy.
Independents? lawl.
They just say they are independents to scrape the bush/cheney off their shoes.
The TPM movement is not bipartisan.
Actually there are two tea parties….the one that gets polled in national surveys has some token democrats and Paulites…..but the one that ATTENDS rallies self-selects for enthusiasm….you know, like those rasmussen statistics you guys endlessly cite?
The TPM rally attendees are nearly all white and nearly all christian and nearly all old. They arent protesting fiscal irresponsibility and big govt–they WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK.
They are protesting cultural and demographic evolution.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Y”es, believe it or not I did see the violence from the Tequilla Party, no thanks to the state controlled media. I think FOX was the only network that showed the arrests and the violence.”
Did Fox also come up with the racist name Tequila Party or was that a different right wing media outlet?
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
The American people are not as stupid as the media believes.”
True.
Unfortunately, right wingers ARE as stupid as their right wing media thinks they are.
How else to explain how the right wing base is played emotionally day in and day out.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Oh yeah, and you communists pay so much more. Oh wait, you use the government to steal from people to pay them more! Brilliant!
Maybe Economics 101 and history tells us if have wage controls and price controls, unemployment goes up!
Maybe you would learn your commie, leftist government teachers and communist professors lied to you about getting a job and demanding to be paid whatever you think you are worth.
This administration has caused me to lay off 40% of my workers, I told the ones that were Obama (commie) supporters that they voting themselves a pink slip! Fun! Now they can’t find work and they’ve been on unemployment for over a year and now they’re losing that too!
Posted by: Randall | May 4, 2010, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
“Maybe Economics 101 and history tells us if have wage controls and price controls, unemployment goes up!”
Economics 101 tells me that while the Republicans holler about it alot they will never do anything about immigration reform at the federal level…because they love to exploit the cheap labor.
Posted by: Skip | May 4, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Ryan C.,
Funny, it’s actually the libs and progressives who are played emotionally daily. They can not win debates on facts, logic and reason, so they always resort to emotional arguments whether it’s on health control (she had to wear her dead sister’s teeth. Didn’t know Obama care covered dentures, oh well.), gun control (to hell with the 2nd Amendment, we have to save the children), hunting (to hell with your traditions and beleifs, we have to save the animal, even though I’m wearing leather and eat meat), the poor (if you don’t agree with a lib’s solutions, you hate the poor, we have to help the poor you evil hate monger.) , or what ever the subject matter. I’ve understood this fact since I was in high school. It’s one of the main reasons I’m a conservative, supporter of small government and fully support our Constitution. Because I can back up my positions with common sense facts, logic and reason.
Posted by: showme69 | May 4, 2010, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
“Funny, it’s actually the libs and progressives who are played emotionally daily.”
Like the non existent War on Christmas….oh wait that’s Fox News.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 4, 2010, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
LMAO……November 10 with the coup de grace in 12. Even children know this.
Posted by: Tina Ferrer | May 4, 2010, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
First O blames Bush for the deficit he voted in, now he blames republican opposition to the stimulus for the tea parties, see a trend? It speaks to his inner liberal, everyone is at fault except the perpetrator himself, who in this backwards way of thinking is actually a victim.
Obama received millions from fannie mae and freddie mack as a senator, and as such went along with his dem cronies to block any investigation into their subprime lending.
Obama received over a million in campaign contributions from Goldman Sachs, and as such went along with the Dems, repubs, hank paulson, and the last administration to vote for and publicly support the bailouts of Goldman Sachs and others.
Obama shares responsibility of the current economic mess and the massive deficits to which he added a failed stimulus and an empty promise to bankrupt the country over healthcare.
But because tea partiers are not like the zombie knee jerk idiots who comment on msnbc or cnn in support of such wasteful policies, its actually theirs and the GOP’s fault for questioning the first black president, thus making them racist. The emperor really has no clothes.
Posted by: jim | May 4, 2010, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
And if the great unifier is so concerned with arizona’s immigration policies, maybe he should also say something about mexico’s as well, since their laws would make it a felony along with 2 years in prison for first time offenders of illegal immigration, with a ten year sentence for re-offenders, as well as jail time for people who help them. Of course, no one on the left would dare say boycott mexico.
Posted by: jim | May 4, 2010, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
O is a ZERO. fussy, thin skinned, petty little bitter man with limited brain function, no empathy and no work ethic.
And America is turning on him.
Posted by: mjishernameo | May 4, 2010, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
And the oil spill continues….
Posted by: sueinmi | May 4, 2010, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
He leaves Iraq to get bogged down in a quagmire in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He tries to drill for oil, and the leftys blame Obama for not standing up for the enviroment, and backing big buisness… Boy Obama must be one lonely SOB, but then he has “resources” to cure THAT problem just like “Brotha Bill” did…
Stay classy Barky! This is what INCOMPETENCE looks like! I can’t wait til the next (s)election. Globalist Obama, vs. Pawn Palin! It doesn’t matter who wins, the American people STILL lose. But that’s what happens when you think an election is “American Idol” and personality cults, masquerade and substitute for substance.
You wanted a billboard for President, you got it!
Replacing one empty suit with another is lunacy… You expecting “Change” while sticking to the SAME policies…
I don’t know who is more insane… The bureaucrats in Washington looting the country at record levels, or the brain dead MORONS who cheer them on, like they were their own children, or actually gave a DAMN about them…
Newsflash, Obama doesn’t care about YOU, the Gulf Coast or ANYTHING other than milking YOU for what’s left of the country’s wealth.
And Palin throwing human lives and your grandchildren’s futures chasing boogeymen in caves while propping up druglords who get your kids addicted to pure heroin, aint much better, GOT IT!?!
Posted by: CBA | May 4, 2010, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
the dumbest thing you’ve ever blogged jake
Posted by: Do I Look Illegal? | May 4, 2010, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
“That seems true,” is to journalism what “let’s just kill this patient” is to medicine. Maybe one in 30 pieces on Political Punch do not serve as public relations missives on behalf of Obama and I thought this was one of them. But, in an instant that “one in 30″ is sacrificed to the casual assertion “that seems true,” without a speck of substantiation. Incredible. Especially since what seems true, in this “UPDATE,” isn’t.
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | May 4, 2010, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
To Skip:
WE should be thankful he keeps himself occupied with parties, flying around the world. (you forgot to mention “talking” ….boy can this man talk…he really loves the sound of his own voice”, golfing, and plotting against us…..the busier he is the less time he has to do harm.
I’m 65 years old, and have never seen anything like this presidency. It could not exist if it were not for the complacent and compliant media. Thank God for Rupert Murdock and Fox News or we would be totally in the dark.
Posted by: Diana Pasley | May 4, 2010, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Um, hello, the Tea Party folks showed up at rallies with tea bags stapled to their hats. Tea-baggers seems like an appropriate name to me.
Posted by: Kathy | May 4, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Inflammatory rhetoric from a classless, clueless hack who accidentally got elected President. The sooner we get rid of him (and his drones in Congress) the better.
Posted by: TD | May 4, 2010, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
“Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.” – Dr Martin Luther King Jr. August 28, 1963
Posted by: J Bran | May 4, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
We actually are separated by race, not racism but race. The practice is called racial gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering in the nineties gave the liberals our cities, and left those cities to the cash machine of liberal dems and socialist. The Liberals have organized the cities with socialist groups such as ACORN and many other organized big government solution organizations, in order to elect more government solution liberal politicians. The liberals have run the cities into the ground while creating the slums we have today. White guilt and too much apathy from the silent majority (Tea Party) also played a role.
Separated by racially divided gerrymandering and a false sense of victory from our Republican civil rights victories that were won alongside our Republican Black American freedom fighters, we stopped fighting; we had won the battle and thought we had won the war. While in reality we had left our black soldiers of freedom to become slaves to a different master, the shadow liberal organizations and the open liberal arms of the democratic party. Creating Inner cities run by liberals with failing schools and failing government run projects run amuck, creating generations of entitlement programs, supported by white guilt and a Republican party that has lost its values, all in the name of racism and equality.
Posted by: J Bran | May 4, 2010, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
They are protesting cultural and demographic evolution.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 4, 2010 6:43:56 PM
That was absolutely worth repeating.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | May 5, 2010, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Obama sounds upset and that’s GOOD NEWS! We want to get and to keep him upset because that will chip away at that mountainous ego of his. Erosion will do the rest.
Posted by: Len Powder | May 5, 2010, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Ryan, The great pretender BO is also the great divider. The American people are tired of ills such as ILLEGAL immigration and handouts such as welfare, HUD etc. We know who the feckless RHINOs are and we will vote them out, too. We don;t need progressive. elitist “lawyers” running the show. Time for TERM LIMITS!
Posted by: Donna DeSopo | May 5, 2010, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Posted by: Donna DeSopo | May 5, 2010 1:00:02 AM
What is a silly post. What’s funny about right wingers is how out of touch they are. I suppose next you’ll claim progressivism is a cancer (that of course is a Glenn Beck talking point, repeated by his parrots.) Interestingly, however, Pew recently polled nine political words and phrases found that a strong majority of Americans — 68 percent — have a positive reaction to the word “progressive. ” That’s right. Positive Reaction. (Hat tip: Think Progress.)
Meanwhile, per the Pew poll and recent Gallup polls, we find that Libertarians, socialism and the Tea Party Movement all are viewed favorably by only 36-37% of the population. And capitalism is viewed favorably by 52%.
Posted by: There is no Planet B | May 5, 2010, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Well, the Voyeur Club proves just how much the GOP is into S&M. So whatever the quote is, it already sounds accurate.
Posted by: kravitz | May 5, 2010, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Without the technology of time travel, we’ere dead! If right now, right this very picosecond, we could expel Obama from office, we would still be mired in all the damage he’s already done. We really need to modify the past, so that he never got elected in the first place. If this sounds a bit nuts, understand that I’m aware that we don’t have time travel YET. A scant one hundred fifty years ago, one who discussed some of the technologies that we take for granted today would have been branded a nut case. As for me, go ahead and call me a nut. In fact, fire me! It’s all moot anyway; nearly a year ago Obama’s policies dried up my job and forced me into early retirement. That’s just my situation; many others have it much worse. If “only” 99.9999999999999% of this could be fixed immediately, that wouldn’t be good enough.
Posted by: Richard William Faith | May 5, 2010, 2:19 am 2:19 am
Come November!
Posted by: Sam Deakins | May 5, 2010, 2:23 am 2:23 am
The Tea Party movement is the natural opposition of freedom loving Americans to the self serving radicalism exhibited by the Democrat Party.
The evil anti-American agenda of the Obama administration is now exposed and the American People are preparing to clean house in the Fall election.
We must however be extremely carefull of the treachery of these radicals as they are every bit as virulent as the Nazi Party of 1930′s Germany.
We cannot underestimate the extent to which they will resort to now stay in power after having lied their way into the White House with the help of some fools in the Republican Party.
Posted by: major | May 5, 2010, 2:23 am 2:23 am
Well, the Voyeur Club proves just how much the GOP is into S&M. So whatever the quote is, it already sounds accurate.
Posted by: kravitz | May 5, 2010 1:09:10 AM
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A less than $2000, one night expense “proves” just how much the GOP is into S&M? More like it proves just how much the GOP is NOT into S&M.
Posted by: Jen06 | May 5, 2010, 2:29 am 2:29 am
seems that mr.obama should practice what he preaches,that is the halmark of civilization
Posted by: forrer1 | May 5, 2010, 3:19 am 3:19 am
This president has such a huge ego and distaste for American’s…he can’t control his mouth. His filthy mouth matches his dark heart…Evil baby..evil
Posted by: welovetheUSA | May 5, 2010, 4:55 am 4:55 am
and you think obama is not a marxist?
he hates the people he was elected to govern.
yes, HATES
obama is the best Marxist president we ever had!
Posted by: jimbo ellis | May 5, 2010, 6:08 am 6:08 am
Why would the GOP pay $2000 for something they could observe for free in most DNC leaders homes any given night?
Posted by: Alfred Hussein Neuman | May 5, 2010, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Remarkable…he sees it as a “creation” of the Republicans, yet it is his OWN policies that drove it….he either must be totally oblivious to his won faults, or belives the Liberal media’s fawning over him.
Posted by: angus | May 5, 2010, 9:17 am 9:17 am
OWN faults…excuse me
Posted by: angus | May 5, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Jake, you can use the thread comments to understand the TPM. They really hate Obama…..why?
Because he is a black man, a public intellectual, and an elite. A half century of anti-elitism, racebaiting and IQbaiting by conservative stealth elites has led the base to think that this could NEVAH happen.
Obama is the realization of cultural and demographic evolution in America.
Obama is the avatar of Jefferson’s natural aristoi.
So, do you think the TPM will be called ‘t-baggers’ in the history books?
I do….the John Birch Society members are called Birchers.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
I don’t care what anyone calls the Tea Party …..the fact is, they are ALL PRO-AMERICA, and that is all that matters! If you dems want Obama and his ways -cool, keep him! But please take him somewhere else-because the MAJORITY of AMERICANS want no part of his foolishness. IF, we let this FAUX President continue, you won’t have the freedoms that you now possess, then we will see you crying, but it will be too late!
Posted by: Dawn Marie | May 5, 2010, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Dawn Marie…..
365 ec votes to 173 ec votes.
a difference of 193 ec votes.
that is a big hill to climb for a demographic composed of angry old white conservative christians.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am
@ Jen who writes “More like it proves just how much the GOP is NOT into S&M”:
How exactly does spending $2,000 of RNC money at a lesbian-bondange-themed strip club prove “just how much the GOP is NOT into S&M”?
It’s like saying that storm clouds, falling drops of water and wet pavement prove just how much it’s NOT raining.
Please, do tell.
Posted by: not a bagger | May 5, 2010, 10:25 am 10:25 am
You fools who think displeasure with Obama has anything to do with his race need to check out Herman Cain. Blacker than Obama and adored by the tea party crowd.
Posted by: tkeefer | May 5, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
The “N” word used between “friends” in the black community doesn’t seem as offensive as when it is used in hate and disrespect. The same goes for tea-bagger and the President should understand this!
Posted by: tillyerkt | May 5, 2010, 10:31 am 10:31 am
JoeHanson’s comment is a QED I think.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 10:38 am 10:38 am
the President should understand this!
understand what?
it is what you will be called in the history books.
thing is, the youth demographic leads culture. ‘tea’ does not make us think instantly of taxation without representation and funnie hats…..it makes us think of tea-bagging our fallen comrades in video-games.
you should have a picked a name that was relevent to contemporary culture.
The TPM is disenfranchised from mainstream american culture.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Mr. Tapper needs to look in the urban dictionary or get a clue. He’ll end up with a cleveland steamer, I mean egg on his face.
Posted by: treas | May 5, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am
now what was wrong with this comment?
“when it is used in hate and disrespect”
tillyerkt…..do you deserve respect?
i don’t think Obama hates you.
you have people on government run healthcare protesting government run healthcare. you have people carrying signs of Obama as a witchdoctor or as the joker supposedly protesting fiscal irresponsibility.
you have people with badly spelled signs protesting for english as a national language….
You are just sillie.
Sure, you are mad…..but you are really mad at your old adversary, evolution.
Cultural and demographic evolution.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Did that interfere with your narrative Mr. Tapper?
because, like, since the liberals have evolution on their side the tea-baggers might give up and spoil your fight promoter revenues?
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Clean sweep in November. Impeachment in 2011. That is a great plan. Restore America!!!
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 11:28 am 11:28 am
and this is coming from the head of the “donkey punch” party?
Posted by: Libclubber | May 5, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am
I mean…..why even put this up?
Is it “news”?
Or do you just want to drive up linkage and traffic by throwing gasoline on a flame war?
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 11:51 am 11:51 am
sooooooo hows that obama thingy working for ya now
Posted by: bob | May 5, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
barry is the lamest excuse for a president i have ever seen and read about, what a disaster he has been for our country, please, please please impeach
Posted by: bob | May 5, 2010, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Revolution not Republicans or a two-state solution is the only alternative now. The two Americas will never be able to co-exist after the Obama generation.
Posted by: revere | May 5, 2010, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
The unlining problem with Obama and liberal Democrat Socialists is that they do not understand reality and Natural Law. Their basic philosophy is to have middle-men steal from producers and give to non-producers. Middle-men that have never produced a product or a service running everything. How can that work? Answer: it can not, and leads to bankruptcy. Look at Greece.
Obama’s basic philosophy is based on theft, and the Tea Party knows this. By the way, so does Obama. Obama and his men are the men that can’t do anything, and they know it and are OK with it.
Posted by: Sabastian Curry | May 5, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
bob, we are thrilled with our guy.
HCR passed, FinReg is going to pass, and then you guys will have to fillibuster climate legislation and obamnesty ON TV while the Oil Spill That Ate Lousiana and Arizona’s racist law suck all the oxygen out of the room.
What did your guys get you?
Oh yeah.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
C’mon Tapper.
How is this news?
Its just the truth. The GOP demagogued holy hell out of HCR and helped create the tea party movement.
And tea-baggers is what they will be called in the history books. They might as well get used to it.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Both parties are stealing and are full of self serving looters. We need to stand together for freedom. Though the Republicans are bad, the Democrats are now out and out socialists, and are starting to become totalitarians, theatening people that want freedom.
But what is freedom anyway? Answer: Freedom from men, what else. All men. To live civil is to have the right to compete but with liability. Obama does not believe in freedom, have you heard a single word from him on this subject?
Good people learn skills to control nature, bad men learn skills to control men.
Anyone that supports Obama is on the wrong side of freedom, and on the side of evil. People need to really think about what and who they are supporting.
Posted by: Sabastian Curry | May 5, 2010, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
So, how would this have stopped any of the terrorists from committing violent acts? Perhaps Hasan would have had trouble, but I believe he had someone else buy his guns. The latest and greatest NYC bomber used propane tanks, gas cans, and fertilizer. Outlaw terrorists from buying those things and they will not be able to mow their lawns or barbecue! If that is the case they may just leave the country. Guns play no role in these guys lives or acts of terror. Get real. This will only be used to keep people that Janet Napolitano thinks are terrorists, like me, a vet. Screw her and her boss. I can’t wait until November, but I am kinda hoping things will change before then. What does anyone think of impeaching obama for not keeping us safe with the policies he has put in place and continues to install daily?
Posted by: nunyabizness | May 5, 2010, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Way to go abc! You may just get your audience back if you continue to expose people to the truth about this guy and his cronies. He is a charlatan and a liar.
Posted by: nunyabizness | May 5, 2010, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Demonizing the tea party people has been the agenda of both this regime and MSM. They accused them of being violent, when there was nothing to prove the claims.
Yet, during the immigration protests, there was over $100,000 worth of vandalism, and 3 men were beaten in LA. In Chicago, arrests were made. Government and MSM were silent.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | May 5, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
This is not any news and it is another GOP misleading article. There is nothing wrong with the words of our President. We all know that our President is a gentleman unlike the GOP who resent everyday having lost an elections. Pathetic!
Posted by: Al | May 5, 2010, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
It amazes me how often comments here state that they represent ‘the will of the people.’ when more than one poll has shown that ‘tea partiers’ are a small minority of ‘the people’ and that the candidates they supported in 2006 and 2008 were handily defeated by a majority of ‘the people’
Bush’s margin was 51-49 in 2004, Obama beat McCain 53-47 in 2008. Between 2005 and 2008 Democrats gained 13 senators and 51 house members. So, it appears to me that the Democrats are trying to do ‘the will of the people’ who elected them.
The tea party is composed of people who didn’t like the outcome of the last 2 elections; as citizens they have every right to work to change it. But they can’t claim to be doing ‘the will of the people’ when they do.
Posted by: RadGal66 | May 5, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Facts:
Obama’s Mother = American
Obama’s Father = Kenyan\British
Mr. Obama = Native Born at best
President = Natural Born
Mr. Obama = Usurper.
Impeacment = Mr. Obama
Date = 1/2011
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Posted by: RadGal66 | May 5, 2010 3:18:32 PM
1 million Republicans did not vote in the election in 2008. What the outcome would have been if they had. Their vote would have saved this country. We can Thank McCain for that. His last min. decision on Palin for VP kept those voters home. If the rules were changed to allow us to vote on the Presidential and VP ticket together then Mr McCain would not have won the ticket for the Repulican candidate. It will be sorted out come November watch and see. Then you will be crying but your protest will be small as they were for the 8yrs of Bush’s administration.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
But RadGal66, don’t you care about minorities? Or is is just that some minorities are more equal than other to you?
Posted by: Smashicus | May 5, 2010, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Is there any evidence anywhere that “some Tea Partyers coined and originally embraced the term “tea-baggers.”" ? Until I see it, to me, that’s just another leftist fabrication.
Posted by: Leo Daher | May 5, 2010, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
I think the left and the Democrats did not like being sent Tea Bags as a protest. Some people sent the actual bags. They were only to send the paper at the end of the the string that holds the bag of tea. So now they are mad at the Tea Party protesters. I say to bad. I have worse names I could call you and they would be more fitting than your insult.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Funny, I didn’t know what tea-bagging meant when Obama first used the term. I had to ask around. Wonder why he was so familiar with the term?
Posted by: Wolf | May 5, 2010, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
The USA Democratic Party cousins are the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea they both are Democratic right? So this shows the US that just because you say you are Democratic does not mean it is so.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Democratic Republic of the Congo another cousin.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“1 million Republicans did not vote in the election in 2008. What the outcome would have been if they had.”
A popular vote loss of 7.5 million versus 8.5 million and perhaps a less significant electoral college landslide for the GOP ticket.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 5, 2010, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
“Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010 3:38:23 PM”
I used to think truthers were gullible and willing to ignore facts but I think the birthers may be worse.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 5, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“The USA Democratic Party cousins are the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea they both are Democratic right?”
Yeah just like the Iraqi Republican Guard are Republicans.
The right wing…stuck on stupid.
Posted by: Ryan C | May 5, 2010, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
What Facts have I ignored
Obama’s Mother is an American? Right?
Obama’s Father was Kenyan? With British Citizenship? Right?
To be President of the USA both of your Parents have to be an American Citizen? Right?
So these are the facts and once the Democratic Communist Party is out then there leader will be impeached. If any politican refuses then they will be dealt with in the following election. I think the Democratic Communist Party will go the way of the Federalist and the Wig parties. To Bad…… So tell me where the fact are wrong. Now that you have the Facts you might want to leave the Democratic Communist party behind and join the rest of America in saving Her for future generations.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Posted by: Ryan C | May 5, 2010 5:33:07 PM
What does that prove? The Iraqi Republican Guard was part of there Army not the name of a Political Party or then Name of the Country. The Democratic Communist Party are just like there cousins in North Korea. So maybe it time to leave your beloved Democratic Communist Party.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Can you imagine what the People of England and there King called Americans during the Revolution.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
How does America fall? From with in. Devide and conquered. So the Democratic Communist Party Divided the American people. Now they are creating so many problems in hopes of distracting the Americans away from self preservation. We will not be concuered that way.
Posted by: SGTYork | May 5, 2010, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
If so, thank God.
Posted by: Redford | May 5, 2010, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
SGTYork
the teaparty is 2% of the american electorate.
good luck with that.
Posted by: matoko_chan | May 5, 2010, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Before the liberals pat themselves on the back regarding the percentage point differences between McCain abd Obama, we shouldn.t foeget the following:
Many conservatives stayed out of the last election as a protest of the Repub’s who were not listening to the will the people and the illegal corruption in the GOP that mirrored the Democrats Corruption when they were swept from power in the 90′s. This was not a mandate of the people, but a protest of the people who were tired of business as usual in Washington.
ACORN was caught red handed buying votes, mstuffing ballot boxes with illegal ballots of people who admitted to voting “Seventeen Times.” Although the Black Panthers were shown with weapons intimidating voters, it was swept under the carpet, as was just about every other illegal, unethical and immoral action that occured during the election.
Obama can’t produce a birth certificate that verifies exactly where he was born. He has spent milloins of taxpayer money getting every lawsuit thrown out by bought and paid for political hack judges who couldn’t care less about the legalities or ethics of their actions.
Obama continues to consolidate His power behind closed doors and cares nothing about the will of the people, only His Marxist agenda.
The Tea Party crosses political parties and philosophical beliefs, and it represents people of all walks, colors and parties who are tired of the spend and tax mentality of Washington elites that so easily forget they were sent to SERVE the people and DO NOT “RULE” the people.
Defecite spending is out of control. Obama is desperate to shove his Marxist agenda through before the populace throws him and his criminal cronies out on their asses. The Tea Party stands for Taxed Enough Already.
As for president Obama using an immorallly insulting term of a disgusting homosexulal act to refer to people trying to protect their ever decreasing rights from a corrupt and deaf government is beneath any ethical or decent behavior.
As a citizen, I DEMAND this pretender to the throne appologize immediately to the American people. America has had enough of this Anti-American Communist puppet and his immoral minions.
Remember in November!!!
Posted by: Steven Dunn | May 5, 2010, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Steven Dunn…I an sure that the “candidates” you support will really “get somewhere” if they endorse your “thinking pattern”. LOL…LOL Another great example of why so many of us educated moderates left the Party.
Posted by: CND FOX | May 5, 2010, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Remember Obama’s campain promisses? Never mind he broke every one of them. He knew what Americans were sick and tired of. The lies, the party filibusters, business as usual of telling the people what they want to hear then doing whatever you want.
Never mind he broke them all and did the very same thing after promissing not to.
Never mind that he promissed not to raise one dime the taxes of anyone making less than $250.00 (couples) and his new plans for major taxes for everyone.
Never mind his promisses of transparency and his closed doors backroom deals on healthcare “reform.”
That’s just what he wants us all to do is never mind what these political hacks impose on the once free and proud Americans. They want us to trust the monsters who espouse the political system that is responsible for more suffering and death than any other system ever forced upon mankind.
Commmunist rule is what is coming very quickly to America. God save us all.
Posted by: Steven Dunn | May 5, 2010, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
CND FOX,
Better I think to stand with moral conviction than to “go with the flow” of moral relativism.
You tag yourself as a moderate who left the republican party… For what, may I ask? For an ultra extreem left leaning Marxist. That don’t sound very much like a moderate to me.
My way of thinking is if you support the monsters, you run a very real rick of being the monster. It’s a slippery slope we traverse.
The tea Party is small. We need your help to grow and force the Government back into our (the peoples) hands.
I don’t support enslavement by either party. I don’t look the other way for either party. I expect honesty, integrety, morality and ethical representation in public servants.
I don’t ask or expect any less from myself, having been a public servant for almost 35 years now.
Help us. We need your “educated” skills and talents working to make things right. With honor and integrety no matter how big the hill is. Difficulty is not an excuse to cave to the wolves on either side.
God Bless you.
Posted by: Steven Dunn | May 5, 2010, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
If there had not been so many centerists tired of the Repubican parties ignorance the Dumbrats would never have taken either Congress or the Admin. If the Repubican party would have endorsed Ron Paul instead of their sleazy McCain maybe things would have been different. But since they did turn out like they did we can always hope that the GOP will back people that support the Constitution instead of the Socialist party of impeach Barry Sotoro as non eligable to hold the office he userped and prosecute Obama-aka Barry Sotor, Pelosi and Rieid for treason and sedition. Then start prosecuting more Congress persons for commiting the crime of bribery, both giving bribes and taking.
Posted by: Drew_R | May 6, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
How much could Obama care about the average American? Polls showed they didn’t
want health care as proposed, they got it anyway. How does this indicate concern for the American public? Democrats bought the outcome with taxpayers money, the MSM
didn’t complain a bit, where in hell is their journalistic concern? The only people telling the truth about what is going on is Fox, Rush, Hannity, Levin and a few others on the right and the Dems are trying desperately to stifle their voices. Now why would that be so in a free society? Why is every dissenting voice villified by the left?
Is Hillary the only one who is allowed to dissent with a screaming voice? Are we at the point where only one voice is
the correct voice? Look around, what have you got out of the present administration? Division chaos and a good dose of socialism. Obama was the “uniter” but no one has divided like he has. Rich against poor, black against white, Left against right. Where is the harmony that was promised from the great one? He and only he has an agenda
and “vision” for America. And that vision is to make the rich poor and the poor less poor, now that’s progress in anybodys book. But where is King Obama in all of this? Sitting high in the seat of power living the good life. And he did it all with empty promises and guile. This guy is not a leader, he wants to be the dictator of America and I hate to say it but he is succeeding.
While the press, who have always been Liberal, sit by and blindly allow it to happen. The only news the public at large are getting is what the MSM wants them to get and what they want them to get is a view of Obama as a great leader, when in fact nothing could be less accurate. Freedom of the press as long as the press is saying what the leader wants it to say. Cuba, here we come.
Posted by: GREYFOX | May 7, 2010, 8:56 am 8:56 am
President Obama is pretty much correct. Much of the country did not want the to be stimulated but a majority of representatives, senators and the executive branch saw to it that it was rammed down our throats. So techinically in opposition to the practice, the majority dangled a repugnant item into places it was not wanted!
Posted by: Midwest | May 7, 2010, 9:00 am 9:00 am
It is a very sad day in America when our President calls citizens by a gutter sexual name. People who do not understand the outrage, ought to put it in the search bar.
Posted by: wildhorses | May 7, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
“Race” is a scientific fact. There are several races within the human race. These races have behaviors unique to their genes, good and bad. Human behavior is controlled partialy by nature (genes)and partially by nurture (learning). In an evolving multicultural society, each race can share the good behavior and supress the bad behavior through learning. That is racial tolerance. To fight for the right to keep a racially bound behavior, good or bad, is racism. Discrimination based upon race is bad, but discrimination based upon behavior is natural.
Posted by: Chacko Pulparampil | May 7, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Obama is the most divisive president in my lifetime.
Posted by: Frank JOnes | May 7, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
The term was introduced by Anderson Cooper during a live discussion on CNN.
Posted by: ohio | May 7, 2010, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
It’s an embarrassment that this arrogant, inept potty-mouth is president of this country! What leader of a country calls its citizens by a perverted sexual term? Didn’t he use the term ‘all wee-wee’d up” at one point to describe someone? (Again, very unpresidential remark)! It sounds like that’s what’s happened to The Messiah as he’s quickly fallen from his throne to the gutter. His narcissism is getting in the way of his common sense, if he even has any!!
Posted by: MaryA | May 7, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
“the teaparty is 2% of the american electorate.
good luck with that.” matoko: Not sure where you got your figures. There are those that join the Tea Party events that are probably being counted as the Tea Partiers. There are millions more of us that have a job and can’t attend the events but we are also Tea Partiers at heart. We believe as they do and are working to get the current administration ousted. Just because you don’t see us at an event or on TV, don’t count us out! November may surprise you! We have very long memories. Obama has ticked us off SO badly, along with his goons, that we won’t forgive or forget – we’ll vote!
Posted by: MaryA | May 7, 2010, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
What a sadistic president we have, say goodbye to the country
Posted by: Devin | May 7, 2010, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Most people who say it do not know why its derogatory. Its just easier to say than TeaPartier. This controversy is just another media creation. Are we seriously using “Urban Dictionary” to determine what we cant and cannot say now?
Posted by: MDP | May 7, 2010, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
And Devin, are you for real? Sadistic? Ignorance and exaggeration is the reasons we should say goodbye to this country…obviously your specialty. We used to be the smart country, now we are the idiots.
Posted by: MDP | May 7, 2010, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
I know we have truth in advertising and if a product is not what it says it is then the government can take action, but what about the healthcare bill? The president lied about what it was, these people voted on the bill with the assurance that the bill was not going to cost what it costs and we would be able to keep our health insurance. Now companies will get rid of coverage for their employees because of this bill so therefore the president lied. “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it”. Well would this happen with any other product? No, false advertising. The bill should be repealed because of all of the lies. And people want more government control. At least with private companies they want to keep your business and will try to satify their customers because it is in their best interest to do so, government can screw you over because what the heck are you going to do about it??????
Posted by: Lynn | May 7, 2010, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Obama can keep manipulating all he wants but we know the truth. All of the people out of work that aren’t complaining yet, eventually the money will run out and they will be thrown out in the streets. The democrats know this and they don’t care about the country the way it was. They will not do anything and the ones that care about the country and prosperity will pull in the reins, the ones that have been on the gov. teet will rebel and blame the republicans and we will have the same problem as greece has now. This president doesn’t care about america he is a tyrant. The only thing this administration cares about is power. If you know history ….it has a habit of repeating itself.
Posted by: Lynn | May 7, 2010, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
If the tea party wants to call Obama a socialist, or Hitler, or the anti-Christ, then he ought to be able to offhandedly refer to them as tea-baggers (particularly if the nickname had already been coined elsewhere) without getting crucified. Free speech, right? . This has nothing to do with anything. This is not even news.
Posted by: calm down | May 7, 2010, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
I don’t remember George Bush ever using this kind of derogatory language against the anti-war activists in his day. There was always a respectful acceptance of the right to dissent, even when these activists were calling Bush Hitler, war criminal, etc. I guess it’s not the same when its on the other shoe.
Posted by: bloy | May 7, 2010, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
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I don’t know which of these guys is more stupid: Obama for using the phrase in AN INTERVIEW, or Biden for advising Obama that it’s no big deal to throw out a disgusting sexual phrase.
These two are a national disgrace.
Posted by: Anna | May 7, 2010, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Just take it from where it comes. AND VOTE!
Posted by: lvh | May 7, 2010, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Obama is a disgusting PIG!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Joe | May 7, 2010, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
It’s the phoniness that’s galling.
He campaigned constantly on “coming together” and “rising above divisiveness”. Yet by a wide margin he is the most arrogant, partisan and divisive president in my lifetime.
Count me among those with serious buyers remorse. November can’t come soon enough.
Posted by: MagBill | May 8, 2010, 1:50 am 1:50 am
I am a tea partier and find it disturbing that everyone belies this on the basis of one unidentified interview. I find it dubious at best and will not give into that human desire to believe poorly of someone without due evidence. Where is the source?
There are other proven examples of incivility such as rubbing his face with his middle finger while talking about Hillary. Somebody ought to do a montage of that video next to his preaching about civility.
Posted by: Lori | May 8, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am
Obama wants us to come together and overcome divisive language. He is providing an excellent example of how to do that: only use offensive language when referring to conservatives.
Posted by: Josh | May 8, 2010, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
All of you need to Google “Bush-free speech zones”
You might learn something.
Posted by: crs52 | May 26, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
@Lynn:
You are completely misinformed when it comes to healthcare. The private comapnies are NOT your friend, THEY have been lying to the public since Day One, and THEY are the ones dispensing misnformation and scare tactics to prevent reform, and I’m here to tell you most, it not all, of it are demonstrable lies. I worked in the medical insurance industry for years and I KNOW how they’re lying to people. I KNOW how theyr’e screwing people. As a health care professional I have watched the situation grow steadily worse under corporate control. It isn’t the government that’s causing the problem-it’s the for-profit corporations that have created a monster that trades on human health and sickness for money and given us a system that is based not on what you need but what you cn afford.
The problems started when medical insurance became a profit-driven commodity. It should be returned to to its original non-profit status. Period.
Posted by: crs52 | May 26, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Race is not a scientific fact. It is a social construction. It only matters in ways we cause it to matter. The idea that people’s attitudes and behavior are genetically determined has been long scientifically disproven. There is no such thing as “racially bound behavior.” It is a racist concept.
Posted by: steve | May 26, 2010, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Thanks, always enjoy reading your posts.
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