President Obama’s Campaign Arm Tries to Get Grass-Roots Democrats to Defeat Fellow Progressive
Organizing for America, the former grass-roots campaign arm for President Obama’s 2008 campaign, is trying to rally supporters to phone bank and get out the vote in Pennsylvania for Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Penn., the former Republican locked in a tight primary race with a far more progressive Democrat, Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Penn.
Chris Bolling, the national volunteer coordinator for OFA, writes in an email that the “stakes of this election are high: ensuring that allies of the President are elected in the House and Senate to fight for change. So starting this weekend, through Tuesday's election, there will be phone banks for OFA volunteers in D.C. We'll call into Pennsylvania and encourage voters to support leaders who will fight for President Obama's vision for change.”
Specter, of course, supported the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and only became a Democrat when it became clear he would suffer an ignominious defeat in the GOP primary to former Rep. Pat Toomey, R-Penn. But the White House, needing Specter’s support for various parts of the president’s agenda, pledged to help him in his re-election.
But all that politics making strange bedfellows means that the president’s campaign arm is asking grass-roots progressives to vote for someone who until last year was a Republican to defeat Sestak, who is indubitably a more legitimate progressive.
Sestak told ABC News’ “Top Line” on Thursday, “I intend to be not a yes man but one of his strongest if not the strongest ally (President Obama) can have in the Senate.”
The DNC says the get out the vote effort is intended to help Specter and Mark Critz, who is running to succeed the late Rep. John Murtha, D-Penn., in the Keystone state’s 12th congressional district.
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grrrrrr…
Vote for the progressive.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 15, 2010, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Vote progressive. I remember reading an article a few months back about how dead that organization is because of neglect from Obama.
Posted by: Adamu | May 15, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am
I am shocked that Obama is supporting Specter. He is awful and has been for forever. Sestak is so much better, a decent person, and much more along Obama’s philosophies. Not to mention Specter has stooped to a swiftboating style of ads, the plan of the truly desperate. If Specter wins, we are in trouble, and if he loses to Toomey, a very real liklihood, we are doomed. VOTE SESTAK.
Posted by: rachel | May 15, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Vote for TOOMEY!!! Specter needs to go but Sestak is not much better. Sestak voted for Obamacare even though his district overall is against it- he will continue to expand govt. and raise taxes!!! Vote Sestak or Specter in the primary, but in Nov. vote for TOOMEY!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Angela | May 15, 2010, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Obama has to go through the motions here. Specter’s doomed anyway.
Posted by: Dan | May 15, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Vote PROGRESSIVE!
NO MORE DINOs and BLUE DOGS
Posted by: SickoftheCorporatists | May 15, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am
please vote progrocive spector must be dumped .shame upon obama,Specror is a big time loser.THIS OLDER BUSTED OF Washinton must go be on the line to collect unimployment cheque like joe
Posted by: lsemaq | May 15, 2010, 11:35 am 11:35 am
to collect unimployment cheque
Posted by: lsemaq | May 15, 2010 11:35:06 AM
Sorry no unemployment line for him, he will make more money being ousted from the senate then when he in. Courtesy of the american people.
Posted by: Lizzie | May 15, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am
I think Obama is approaching Bush’s status in the last election. He has turned into very bad news in the eyes of a growing number of American voters. Did he really think he could foist the cost of health care onto American taxpayers and then add millions of Latinos to expanded medical care they cannot get through ER’s and public health facilities through amnesty?
Posted by: Vickie | May 15, 2010, 11:42 am 11:42 am
There’s no hope for Sen. Arlen Specter.
A man without convictions shouldn’t represent anyone because he can’t even represent himself.
Posted by: Noz | May 15, 2010, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Obama wants to help another Democratic candidate who is in trouble.
Is that the same as the kiss of death ???
How did that work out in MA, NJ and VA ???
Specter was a traitor to himself, his party and his country in being the 60th Senate vote for Obama Care.
We all knew Specter was in trouble – but Obama is going to “try” and help ???
Specter is toast.
Posted by: Reality Check | May 15, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
This shows how STUPID the obamanator thinks the voters are.
Posted by: Ralph Cramden | May 15, 2010, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Vote for Spector! It’s his seat, he owns it
Posted by: JoeHanson | May 15, 2010, 11:55 am 11:55 am
I hope Specter loses big time — he only cares about himself. In Nov, I hope the Dems get FLUSHED across the entire country before the ruin us all beyond the point of being able to recover. I couldn’t stand Bush Jr, but he’s a near-deity compared to Obumbler, Commie Pelosi, Hairy Reid, and Dopey Joe Biden!
Posted by: Dunce Biden | May 15, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
I am glad we have a president that cares more about Americans then Iraqs. We spent 4 TRILLION DOLLARS ON Iraq AND YOU DUMB PEOPLE HAVE THE NERVE TO SPEAKE UP ABOUT 100 BILLION BEING SPENT ON Americans!!Stop it all ready . Obama has done more good in 2 years then Bush did in 8.
Posted by: decorp | May 15, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
The guy is 80 for crying out loud. Get to the dog track already and GET the HELL OUT!!!
He doesn’t even know who he’s talking to anymore. Maybe the moron empty suit Obama should lend Specter his teleprompter.
Posted by: Kelvin | May 15, 2010, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
What is “progressive” about Socialism? Wherever it was tried it resulted in a lower standard of living for the middle class; the elites continued to live large.
Bush supported Specter now Obama. Is Obama following Bush? Both of them were wrong and both will get bit by this Judas. Bush should have know better and was warned and it cost him. One would think that Obama would have sense enough to not repeat the same mistake but is obviously clueless of this and most governing issues.
Posted by: Prudent Man | May 15, 2010, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
This Dem is voted for Hillary and will be voting for Sestak as many times as it takes.
Posted by: David | May 15, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
That arm is reaching to the Colorado Senate race too, with OFA working to defeat fellow Democrat Andrew Romanoff, a man who has a similar vision to CANDIDATE Obama.
Posted by: Katie | May 15, 2010, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Let me guess, Obama’s going to try to run another sleazy demonization campaign of pitting one class against the other to divide and conquer America for more Democrat votes, of pitting job creators against the workers so our economy suffers more and he can step in with big government to save the day, a campaign that demonizes multi-media outlets so that he can finally shut them all down except for Obama News Network USA.
Meanwhile, Obama, after smearing IPods, Blogs, and other media outlets for . . . exercising free speech, now has his own video outlet on his very own blog. Does he think we’re stupid as to not see through what he’s trying to do?:
According to the Washington Post: “Chaudhary, a former film professor at New York University who extensively documented Obama’s presidential campaign, added: “As the official White House videographer it’s my job to document the president’s activities, in motion pictures, … It’s almost as if our flickr site could talk.”
Transparency, you betcha. Transparently hypocritical.
Posted by: EPU | May 15, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Meanwhile, Obama, after smearing IPods, Blogs, and other media outlets for . . . exercising free speech
EPU | May 15, 2010 12:21:59 PM
Citations please. Anyone else assuming this is just another Republican paranoid exaggeration? Lets see if he respects your opinion enough to post ACTUAL QUOTES of Obama “smearing IPods, Blogs and other media outlets for exercising free speech” and let you judge if that’s REALLY what Obama said.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
What is “progressive” about Socialism? Wherever it was tried it resulted in a lower standard of living for the middle class; the elites continued to live large.
Prudent Man | May 15, 2010 12:09:04 PM
Our socialist police, fire, sewer, water, food safety, defense, internet (socialist developed, supported, expanded to the private sector and governed), roadways, and yes, even education (heckuva lot better than the non-socialist options!) seem to have not hindered the US becoming the most powerful and prosperous free nation mankind has ever seen.
Do you know what socialism even is?
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Obama’s administration made a political deal and they have to stand by it if they want to have credibility to cut future such deals. It wasn’t a bad deal either – with Joe “vote for McCain” Lieberman a “Democrat”, they needed Specter’s vote.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Progressive — Socialism, equals Feudalism . They are all the same they turn people into serfs and debt slaves.
Posted by: Kestrel | May 15, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Progressive — Socialism, equals Feudalism . They are all the same they turn people into serfs and debt slaves.
Kestrel | May 15, 2010 12:35:16 PM
No, they are not the same. Have some respect for the English language even if you have no respect for reality.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
I cannot understand the Republican mentality when it is so very obvious to anyone with an average IQ that the corporations are stealing form ALL of us and now we have a David to their Goliath who has already done so much for ALL of us! There is no logic in this absence of thought. The only conclusion anyone can have is that the hate is purely racial. How very demoralizing for ALL of us.
Posted by: Leon Rodriguez | May 15, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
The Socialists Obama, Pelosi and Reid are hell-bent on having the Democrat Party seen 20 years from now in the same light as the Whig and Bull Moose parties: EXTINCT!! All patriotic Americans (especially young ones) NEED to go vote and throw out the LIBERTY-ROBBING, HIGH-TAXING, MORALLY BANKRUPT Democrats in 2010 and 2012!! Your freedom DEPENDS on it……
Posted by: Todd | May 15, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
The reason is simple, he is about to lose this senate seat to a conservative republican in the general. He thinks he has a better chance with the RINO turned dem Specter than the outright socialist running against him.
Posted by: Ranger_Ric | May 15, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama’s administration made a political deal and they have to stand by it if they want to have credibility to cut future such deals.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010 12:31:58 PM
Yup. Politics as usual (stand by previous deals so we can cut more deals) after sixteen months in office from the candidate who campaigned on “change” and was going to clean up Washington.
I couldn’t have said it better myself, jhw!
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
america we must remove this nightmare in nov and nov im 2012. the teleprompter is following in the footsteps of his pal chavez. he tries to control the media , which was chavez’s first step, the second was demonize the people who produce jobs to continue the malaize,as you are desperate he infuses alms to keep you semi happy. this guy is traight out of a alinsky school of socialism. the only problem facing america is our media is to dumb or scared to actually report it.
Posted by: carlb | May 15, 2010, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
the corporations are stealing form ALL of us and now we have a David to their Goliath who has already done so much for ALL of us!
Posted by: Leon Rodriguez | May 15, 2010 12:45:26 PM
Right on comrade! Tell it!
Btw, Obama is a millionaire, right?
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Democrats are SO sure of their standing with the voters that they refuse to even CONSIDER dealing with next year’s budget during an election year. The most ethical Congress evah!
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Yup. Politics as usual (stand by previous deals so we can cut more deals) For The Record | May 15, 2010 12:56:10 PM
Standing by a deal to support a Senator who supported you faithfully is “politics as usual?” Try just politics, period. This is how the Constitution was written and ratified (do you think the 3/5 compromise was the best possible solution? The first 10 amendments were the result of such a deal cut in 1788. Welcome to reality, wish you’d stay here.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010 12:29:49 PM Our socialist police, fire, sewer, water, food safety, defense, internet (socialist developed, supported, expanded to the private sector and governed), roadways, and yes, even education (heckuva lot better than the non-socialist options!) seem to have not hindered the US becoming the most powerful and prosperous free nation mankind has ever seen.—–Even though none of those examples you cited is socialist (equating something used by the public at large doesn’t make it socialist), for the sake of argument, name one that isn’t failing miserably. Our infrastructure is falling apart, our food/water/drug safety is pretty much a joke, our ranking in education has plummeted, beginning the decline after the Dept. of Ed. was created. There is not one thing on your list that has improved after greater govt. involvement .
Posted by: Ferrari5555 | May 15, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Even though none of those examples you cited is socialist (equating something used by the public at large doesn’t make it socialist), for the sake of argument, name one that isn’t failing miserably.
Ferrari5555 | May 15, 2010 1:04:47 PM
Seriously? You think our firemen, policemen (under 60 hours from the Times Square bombing to actually catching the suspect – how long did it take to catch Bin Laden again?), EVEN THE INTERNET ITSELF, is “failing miserably”?
Sorry to break it to you, but America doesn’t suck and isn’t failing. It is still the best in the world. Deal with.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Hmmm, big decision here. A turncoat who switched parties vs a braggart that he will be Obama’s right hand man. That means if Sestak wins get ready for higher taxes and Cap-and-Tax. Might as well stay home, switch to the Republican Party and wait until November to elect a Conservative. Unless of course, you are happy with higher cigarette taxes, higher Federal income taxes coming January 1st, higher capital gains taxes, and higher taxes on interest and dividends next year.
Posted by: timbo | May 15, 2010, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
If this were about a GOP president favoring one senate candiatae over another, the story line form Tapper and the rest of the tools in the media would be
“Strife in the GOP. Can the party survive?”
Posted by: Barney | May 15, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Right on comrade! Tell it!
Btw, Obama is a millionaire, right?
Posted by: For The Record
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But Obama was right to borrow that money from China!
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Posted by: timbo | May 15, 2010 1:11:07 PM
How long did you think you’d get away without a tax increase once Bush put 2 wars, the seniors drug program and tax cuts for the rich on your credit card?
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
If this were about a GOP president favoring one senate candiatae over another, the story line form Tapper and the rest of the tools in the media would be
“Strife in the GOP. Can the party survive?”
Barney | May 15, 2010 1:14:56 PM
Oh please, because that has NEVER, EVER happened. Yup, no Republican president has ever, EVER preferred one candidate over another. Otherwise you’d be able to cite those headlines, right?
Give the paranoid persecution complex a rest for a minute. Last I checked, the most popular “news” channel in America was unabashedly pro-Republican and literally sponsoring the Tea Party.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
This is funny… Democrats are going to vote for the candidate who they feel will have their head the farthest up BO’s behind….. hehehe.
Posted by: vet1973 | May 15, 2010, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
What a relief, I thought Dems. were trying to save Phil Spector
Posted by: bernie eshoo | May 15, 2010, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Obama said—-”You’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t always rank that high on the truth meter,” he told the students. “And with iPods and iPads, and Xboxes and PlayStations — none of which I know how to work — information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation. So all of this is not only putting pressure on you; it’s putting new pressure on our country and on our democracy.”
Source—
Obama: iPad, Xbox Turn Information Into A ‘Distraction’–
AP/Huffington Post—
First Posted: 05- 9-10 11:44 AM— | Updated: 05- 9-10 12:01 P
Posted by: whathappened08 | May 15, 2010, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
This is how the Constitution was written and ratified (do you think the 3/5 compromise was the best possible solution? The first 10 amendments were the result of such a deal cut in 1788.
Posted by: jhw539 | May 15, 2010 1:03:31 PM
Absolutely! In fact, I’m sure Obama used that exact same reasoning when he welcomed Specter into the fold!
/rolls eyes
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
That is the ‘single bullet’ theory Specter. Amazing.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
How long did you think you’d get away without a tax increase
Posted by: tierra
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Well, he told us he wasn’t going to increase taxes. How many times did you repeat that?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Question: How long did you think you’d get away without a tax increase once Bush put 2 wars, the seniors drug program and tax cuts for the rich on your credit card?
Answer: For as long as Al Gore can get away with profiting from Global Warming.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Obama is becoming a joke – so predictable is pay off to that loser Specter for his vote. The truth is we don’t need people like Specter in Congress and he is not alone. Dodd, franks, boxer, reid etc. all need to go.
Their stupity is killing our country
Posted by: a citizen | May 15, 2010, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
But the White House, needing Specter’s support for various parts of the president’s agenda, pledged to help him in his re-election.
But all that politics making strange bedfellows means that the president’s campaign arm is asking grass-roots progressives to vote for someone who until last year was a Republican to defeat Sestak, who is indubitably a more legitimate progressive.
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As always, it’s about Obama and what HE wants. It has nothing to do with what the PEOPLE want or who they want to vote for. Having said that, Sestak sealed his own fate with his comment:
Sestak told ABC News’ “Top Line” on Thursday, “I intend to be not a yes man but one of his strongest if not the strongest ally (President Obama) can have in the Senate.”
Not a ‘yes’ man? Is he crazy? NOBODY goes against the Great Obama. NOBODY!!
Posted by: Shoe | May 15, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Well, he told us he wasn’t going to increase taxes. How many times did you repeat that?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010 1:31:10 PM
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And how long did you think that was supposed to last? Till eternity?
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”-
Source-PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke-Apr 1 11:55 AM –
By CALVIN WOODWARD–Associated Press Writer–Breitbart
Posted by: whathappened08 | May 15, 2010, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
As always, it’s about Obama and what HE wants. It has nothing to do with what the PEOPLE want or who they want to vote for
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Nonsense. The President has 51% approval today in Gallup – the majority of people approve of what he’s doing same as they did when he was elected.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
4 out of 5 Americans are fed up with both
corrupt wasteful parties. It’s time to
take the pledge:
I pledge never again to vote for a
Republicrat.
How does sweeping in a new bunch of
bumblers help? It hasn’t yet.
There are high school principals, union
officials, CEO’s, and people who won at
least $20,000 on Jeopardy all over PA
who would do a better job.
Posted by: mms | May 15, 2010, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
And how long did you think that was supposed to last? Till eternity?
Posted by: tierra
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No, darling, I knew he was lying (again) when he said it. You believed him. No matter what Borak Ubama tells you, 2+2=4, it did then, it always has and it always will.
Remember: “Obama told a lot of lies during his campaign” (something like that)
Nancy Pelosi spoke out of turn and told the truth for once, herself.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010 1:59:28 PM
Exactly, after Bush put 2 wars, the seniors drug program and tax cuts for the wealthy on your credit card – a day of reckoning had to come.
Glad you’re smart enough to realize that. Glad the President has stuck to his word more that George W’s father ‘read my lips’ Bush.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Posted by: tierra
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ROFLMFAO
You’re the one who believed the lying &^%$ then and is rationalizing now.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
The President has 51% approval today in Gallup – the majority of people approve of what he’s doing same as they did when he was elected.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 1:41:42 PM
I see you’ve picked up the chant the past few days. He squeeks over 50 and you’re chanting about how he is doing the will of the people. He’s been in the 40s for how many months now? Was he doing the will of the people during THAT time? I don’t think the President governs by what the latest polls say, so your logic is quite flawed. We have our say at the polling booth – not on the telephone.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
You’re the one who believed the lying &^%$ then and is rationalizing now.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010 2:08:17 PM
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No smartillena, I was not stupid enough to think there would never be any increase in taxes – after Bush putting 2 wars, the seniors program and tax cuts for the rich on our credit card.
I expected the President to do what he’s done – provide tax relief for 95% of Americans and small business in order to stimulate the economy – tax those with salaries over $200,000 and eventually (when the economy is more healthy) apply some new taxes to try to pay down the debt that resulted from the Republican overspending and undertaxing, and presiding over the almost free-fall collapse of the American economy.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
And how long did you think that was supposed to last? Till eternity?
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 1:35:46 PM
Uh no, but I’m sure a lot of his supporters did. Or at least a few years. I’ve witnessed too many campaigns to believe what any candidate says.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:09:29 PM
The President’s approval rating has been at 50% approval or just below for months now.
Reagan fell to 35% during his first term – also during a very difficult economy.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Republican overspending
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:12:21 PM
Knock. Knock. Hello? Anybody home?
Democratic controlled House and Senate for four years and three months now…
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Go Toomey GO! Throw out all the dems!
Posted by: robin | May 15, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Democratic controlled House and Senate for four years and three months now…
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:18:45 PM
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Absolutely false – these types of posts are not accurate enough to be taken seriously.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
The President’s approval rating has been at 50% approval or just below for months now.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:15:28 PM
Exactly, so why weren’t you posting here saying “the majority of people DO NOT approve of what he’s doing.”
Hmmmm?
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
The President has 51% approval today in Gallup – the majority of people approve of what he’s doing same as they did when he was elected.
Posted by: tierra |
RCP average is 48.6 for job approval.
Right track/wrong track is 34 to 57. Care to explain/rationalize/apologize?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 15, 2010, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:18:45 PM
p.s – it wasn’t the Democrats who put the 2 wars, the seniors drug program and the tax cuts for the rich on the country’s credit card – it was the Bush Republicans.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
(when the economy is more healthy)
Posted by: tierra
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Any man who can’t add 2+2 and come up with 4 has no business judging when this economy is “more healthy”. At least he has just 5 months to get it done.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Exactly, so why weren’t you posting here saying “the majority of people DO NOT approve of what he’s doing.”
Hmmmm?
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:23:14 PM
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Because that wouldn’t be true. While the President’s approval rating was just below 50%, his disapproval rating was lower than that . ..
Sorry Record, you really don’t seem to have a grasp on facts or reality today . ..
You got it wrong about the length of Democrats in Congress as well . ..
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Absolutely false – these types of posts are not accurate enough to be taken seriously.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:22:14 PM
Oops. Was thinking January. Of course she’s been one of the top dogs since 2001 but who’s counting. She’s been the Minority Whip, the Minority Leader, and the Majority Leader. Basically playing a huge role in the shaping of our country – and it’s finances. But hey why hold her accountable at all? Let’s just blame Bush!
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:25:51 PM
Yes I remember now. The Democrats refused to fund the war. And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits. It gets so confusing some times keeping up with their ethical and fiscally conservative ideals.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
You mean the same capaign arm that worked for the socialist candidates in West Virgina, New Jersey and Massachuesetts? Bring them on!!!!!!
Posted by: Duane | May 15, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
But hey why hold her accountable at all?
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:31:21 PM
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And why hold you accountable when you can’t get facts straight on length of time of Democrats holding congress, or Presidential disapproval ratings?
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Because that wouldn’t be true. While the President’s approval rating was just below 50%, his disapproval rating was lower than that . ..
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:29:06 PM
Clever. How long have you been waiting to fit that one in? Sorry, honey. The fact still remains that until now you could not claim the majority approved of what he is doing.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:34:37 PM
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You’re confused because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
195 Democrats voted against Bush’s drug plan – only 9 voted for it.
207 Republicans voted for it. Only 19 against.
For the Record – you ought to be more interested in the real facts rather than your own blathering.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:34:37 PM
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You’re confused because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
195 Democrats voted against Bush’s drug plan – only 9 voted for it.
207 Republicans voted for it. Only 19 against.
For the Record – you ought to be more interested in the real facts rather than your own blathering.
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p.s. – all of this information of votes and approval ratings are available easily – if you cared enough you could get your information accurate
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Both “Progressives” are going to lose! The “one” may have a 51% poll rating, but (leaving aside how stats can be skewed) his policies, and those who voted contrary to the will of their constituencies are much less popular amongst average Americans. Most of us have made a promise to ourselves and our friends that we will vote out incumbents on both sides in hopes of getting people into Congress and the Senate who will VOTE THE WILL OF THE “PEOPLE”!!! They work for us, and have FAILED in safeguarding and pursuing “OUR” interests! Time for them to go! Find a candidate (regardless of party) who would vote against the party to do the will of the people! Find candidates who resonate with your thinking and VOTE FOR THEM!!! Do your homework, will they do, or say ANYTHING just to get your vote, or will they TELL YOU HOW THEY REALLY FEEL without worrying about how it will effect your vote? We need servants to the public, who will vote in our best interests alone, who will shun the lobbyists who would attempt to bribe them. We need principled, honest, and enthusiastic defenders of our Constitution and Bill of Rights!!!
-Oz
Posted by: Ozlanthos | May 15, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”-
Source-PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke-Apr
He didn’t really lie, because he never said he wouldn’t try to get a VAT tax (a tax that is assessed and imposed at every step of a production process) imposed on all of our products and services to pay for his health “INSURANCE” plan!
-Oz
Posted by: Ozlanthos | May 15, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
It is pure folly arguing over Obama’s approval ratings.. we have women who “approve” cause he’s got a “hot body” for heaven’s sake..the 50% approval rating is pertinent only in that it reflects the deep fault line that splits this country…on one side there are people who see the government as the hovering parent, lovingly looking out for their every interest and involved on every level of their lives…on the other side are people who see the government as an unruly teenager with a history of poor work performance, irrational decision making, and who has a habit of taking more money out of the cookie jar.
Posted by: cindy | May 15, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
It is pure folly arguing over Obama’s approval ratings..
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I agree. It’s quite clear the President holds very well in the polls. Real Clear Politics poll of polls (a bringing together of the major national polls) has the average poll results for the President at 49%; Reagan on the other hand fell to 35% during his first term.
Both were dealing with very difficult economies and both suffered for it, although it’s clear Obama has fared far better than Reagan’s 35%.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
It’s so sad to see obama followers such as tierra here. Hard to believe tierra can’t even grasp the basic fact of who currently holds the majority in the House and Senate ….a true obama supporter to be sure.
Posted by: littleblindjeffymcrib | May 15, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
I say lets thrown out all these loser senators that have been in the senate for so many years they need wheelchairs. Lets get some new and fresh young ones with new and fresh ideas. Not socialist Obahma ones like there is now….
Posted by: Don | May 15, 2010, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
What’s with the obama followers’ new obsession with Reagan? Did I miss a WH memo/text/tweet/full length feature film?
Posted by: littleblindjeffymcrib | May 15, 2010, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
The “one” may have a 51% poll rating, but (leaving aside how stats can be skewed)
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There is no 51% approval rating. That myth was created using some very poor mathematics. The evidence erased by some dishonest moderator/admin games.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
What’s with the obama followers’ new obsession with Reagan? Did I miss a WH memo/text/tweet/full length feature film?
Posted by: littleblindjeffymcrib | May 15, 2010 3:21:14 PM
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It’s not that difficult to figure out. Both Reagan and Obama have had to deal with very difficult economies.
Reagan’s approval rating fell to 35% during his first term; Obama’s holds at about 49%.
It simply shows that difficult economies damage the approval rating of a president, and that Obama’s 49% is impressive, given Reagan’s 35%.
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Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
The evidence erased by some dishonest moderator/admin games.
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A very poor reflection on ABC, Political Punch and Mr Tapper, himself.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
There is no 51% approval rating.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010 3:22:24 PM
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Of course there is – Gallup has the President at 51% approval today.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
What happened to that loony demonstration ya’ll erased?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
“…on one side there are people who see the government as the hovering parent, lovingly looking out for their every interest and involved on every level of their lives…”
It’s safe to disregard fictitious right-wing biased descriptions of perceptions that corporate peons don’t even remotely understand. Next tell us how right-wingers see big business as really looking out for our mutual well being and not just gouging us for every dime they can.
Posted by: Skip | May 15, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Obama to the rescue! AKA ‘The Kiss of Death’
Posted by: Dutra | May 15, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
What a pity that Obama didn’t physically come to PA and campaign in person for Specter. I guess he’s figured out that he really is the “Kiss of Death.” Hopefully that ad Specter is running with Obama will be enough to put Sestak over the top.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mouse | May 15, 2010, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Specter is a joke….he fits right in with the Obama nut jobs, commies, and socialist….spending must decrease…
you can’t spend your way to prsperity…DUH…look at Greece for your shining example of what spending more than you take in results in….
I wouldn’t even mind paying more taxes
if these idiots would spend it more wisely…I “hope” we can “change” the damage being done by the current inept president and his even more inept administration…
Posted by: Independent | May 15, 2010, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
…I “hope” we can “change” the damage being done by the current inept president and his even more inept administration…
Posted by: Independent | May 15, 2010 3:57:45 PM
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More selective memory.
The Bush administration doubled the national debt, exploded the deficit, put most of 2 wars, a seniors drug program and tax cuts for the rich on the taxpayers tab – and then presided over the almost free-fall collapse of the economy.
You have any idea of the effects of those things? Apparently not.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
not just gouging us for every dime they can.
Posted by: Skip
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Oh, no doubt about it, they are gouging us for every dime they can. Our gov’t isn’t doing anything about that, though. They’re doing the same thing, even worse, when they mix 10% ethanol into the gasoline and knocking 15% off the mpg of your vehicle. Sending a gallon of milk to $5, in the process. Advertising gimmicks like “green technology” (that’s exactly what it’s turned into). Destroying the health insurance of the people who work to pay for it and do pay for it, telling bald-faced lies to do it. Preventing a damn minnow from evolving into extinction. Brilliance like that.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
With any luck the Obama change of socialism for America will be stopped in the Keystone State! If you Dimwits want change go ahead and be truthful and change the name of your party to the Democrat Socialist Party!
Posted by: LRuth | May 15, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Obama has done more good in 2 years then Bush did in 8.
Obama has done more damage in a year and a half, than all previous admin’s combined!!!
Posted by: Independent | May 15, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
What a pity that Obama didn’t physically come to PA and campaign in person
Posted by: Anon Y. Mouse
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The NBA,NFL, NCAA, NAACP?, Nascar and Pro Wrestling must be praying he starts keeps his predictions to himself.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Posted by: TexasRick
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ROFLMFAO !
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Specter should have been dead years ago. He looks like a walking corpse. I can’t stand his ad with his digitally enhanced voice because his is so bad. I hope Stesak blows him out of the water. Of course, then I’ll have a really bad choice for November because I don’t like Stesak or Toomey- but at least they won’t be Specter.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | May 15, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Those of you who bash Bush as though it hurts true conservative Republicans are idiots. Only fellow Commies buy your lies. Bush was a Democrat in Republican clothing. A classic RINO. He disgraced the GOP by acting like and presiding like a Dem. Name one thing GEB did that any Dem would not do a hundred times over. Bush and his Commie one-world daddy are and always have been Dems in GOP clothing.
Posted by: Scott | May 15, 2010, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Looks like ol’ Arlan an ‘bama are worried about this one!
Posted by: Gunz2fun | May 15, 2010, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
They have to keep him because the more liberal guy will lose to the conservative. Just more Obama politics. I am so embaressed I voted for him….
Posted by: Fire Nancy Pelosi | May 15, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“Preventing a damn minnow from evolving into extinction”
Posted by: Skip
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Being generous to myself, I’ll say that quip was a little weak. I couldn’t care less about a snail darter, an owl or a blue whale but, no matter.What about that ethanol sham and how much it’s cost every person in this country? The greenie movement has turned into nothing but an advertising gimmick. Then there’s the absolute lies and fraud committed to saddle us with that hc nightmare.
That’s not right wing propaganda, it’s the truth. And those are just 3 examples.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Specter, Lieberman and Clinton should all go to the same coffee house and share stories. They all wet their finger and put it in the air to see what they “believe”. They have no core beliefs!
Posted by: Observer | May 15, 2010, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Obama has done more damage in a year and a half, than all previous admin’s combined!!!
Posted by: Independent | May 15, 2010 4:14:30 PM
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More selective memory.
The Bush administration doubled the national debt, exploded the deficit, put most of 2 wars, a seniors drug program and tax cuts for the rich on the taxpayers tab – and then presided over the almost free-fall collapse of the economy.
You have any idea of the effects of those things? Apparently not.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Philly is a one party city, so I’m a registered Dem. My one thought in the primary was electing the weaker of the two Democrats. Now that I know Obama is pulling out all the stops for Specter, I know I will be voting for Sestak. A Specter loss will further embarrass the President and be a weak foundation for Sestak and the looney left in the general.
Posted by: Madash | May 15, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
THE LIBS HAVE NOTHING LEFT to defend, except a “kid in a candy store” President, unemployemnt that is approaching 2x more massive, than Bush’s 8 years combined, and a “liberal” House and Senate, that are about to loose BIG TIME…so really, it is not all that bad..change is coming, and it IS NOT NOBAMA’s anymore!! YES!!
Posted by: Larry | May 15, 2010, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
“What about that ethanol sham”
If you don’t like ethanol you’ll have to defeat the corn lobby, and there hasn’t been any sign the Republicans will be any more successful than Democrats at doing that. The real sham is telling Americans what they desperately want to hear since they don’t want to break their glutinous addiction to oil: that we can drill ourselves out of foreign dependence.
A] There isn’t enough oil reserves here.
B] Events in the Gulf graphically demonstrate it’s not going to be easy to get at.
Posted by: Skip | May 15, 2010, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
President, unemployemnt that is approaching 2x more massive, than Bush’s 8 years combined
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Now you’re talking straight delusion.
Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost EVERY month under Bush – at times over 700,000.
Major banks and financial institutions failed under Bush, as did major American auto companies. The stock market collapsed. Foreclosures and bankruptcies started going through the roof.
Oh sure, its Obama who’s made a mess of things.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
“Tiera” sounds like a planted mouthpiece for Specter or Obama, doesn’t have a brain of their own.
Posted by: jim 234 | May 15, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
“Tiera” sounds like a planted mouthpiece for Specter or Obama, doesn’t have a brain of their own.
Posted by: jim 234 | May 15, 2010 6:21:21 PM
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When the Republican right has no facts or argument to stand on, they retreat to personal insult.
The Republican right – lowering the quality of civil politics. Cute.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Lets hope that the dems spend lots of cash in Pa. they need the money. Lets pray that a republican (conservative) with good honest morals wins the seat.
Posted by: pafaery | May 15, 2010, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010 6:33:33 PM
You don’t think greenhouse gases are affecting the planet’s climate? What about the oil pollution? What about the plastic breaking down in the ocean? What about the decreasing water table? What about the decimation of the world fish stocks?
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Dog gone, If I didn’t accidently stumble on to the comedy web site. WOW!!! This should be a fun one here. I do believe in not contaminating the earth and our water, but have you ever listened to Gore give a lecture on this. Where in the world did he get his facts. After all, he invented the internet and now Obama wants to control it. What about all the mistakes that these famous scientists have made? Much of the stuff that they have written and dreamed up has been to assist Al with his scam. Bernie Madoll, Enron and others have nothing on these scam artist clowns. Where am I wrong on this one? Please help, I am spinning like a top listening to the dems. I make soon make faster revolutions and our planet.
Posted by: pafaery | May 15, 2010, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Now you’re talking straight delusion.
Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost EVERY month under Bush – at times over 700,000.
Major banks and financial institutions failed under Bush, as did major American auto companies. The stock market collapsed. Foreclosures and bankruptcies started going through the roof.
Oh sure, its Obama who’s made a mess of things.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 6:11:34 PM
Good points, t. As I believe we’ve both noted, per Ronald Brownstein’s piece in the National Journal:
“If the economy produces jobs over the next eight months at the same pace as it did over the past four months, the nation will have created more jobs in 2010 alone than it did over the entire eight years of George W. Bush’s presidency….That comparison comes with many footnotes and asterisks. But …The real point of looking again at Bush’s record is to underscore how few jobs the economy was creating even before the 2008 collapse. Bush’s tally of 1 million jobs was much less than the economy had generated during any other two-term stretch since World War II… Bush’s total, of course, was suppressed … But even during the recovery in between, job growth lagged.”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 15, 2010, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
tierra, I believe that we do put stuff into the air, but you can not possibly think that mankind can destroy the planet, no matter how hard Al and the UN try. This is God’s planet and only He will destroy it and all of mankind. Oops, if you are a dem or lib, you probably are not a believer in Christianity.
Posted by: pafaery | May 15, 2010, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Twice the authors used the term “progressives.” Read the book, 1984 – “WAR IS PEACE; FREEDOM IS SLAVERY; IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH” – and my addition – “LIBERALS ARE PROGRESSIVES”.
Of course, to liberals all other rational, thinking people (moderates and conservatives) are regressives. Now that is the progressives’ version of tolerance.
Posted by: En liten Yu | May 15, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
smartlillena: You gave no argument at all. You simply repeated baseless charges and called people names. So let me give you some actual quotes from leading scientific organizations:
“In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases have increased significantly since the Industrial Revolution, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels for energy, industrial processes, and transportation. Greenhouse gases are at their highest levels in at least 400,000 years and continue to rise.” U.S. National Academies of Science: Understanding and Responding to Climate Change
“Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century. Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have increased since the mid-1700s through fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, with more than 80% of this increase occurring since 1900. Moreover, research indicates that increased levels of carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to thousands of years. It is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause global surface climate to be warmer.” American Geophysical Union: Human Impacts on Climate
“In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate…Direct human impact is through changes in the concentration of certain trace gases such as carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and water vapor, known collectively as greenhouse gases.” “There will be inevitable climate changes from the greenhouse gases already added to the Earth system. Their effect is delayed several decades because the thermal inertia of the oceans ensures that the warming lags behind the driving forcing. For the next several decades there is a clear consensus on projected warming rates from human influences among different models and different emission scenarios.” American Meteorological Society: Information Statement on Climate Change
“The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.” “The growing torrent of information presents a clear message: we are already experiencing global climate change. It is time to muster the political will for concerted action. Stronger leadership at all levels is needed. The time is now. We must rise to the challenge. We owe this to future generations.” American Association for the Advancement of Science: Statement on Climate Change
In fact not a SINGLE American science society denies that Global Climate Change is real, man-made, and a threat to our continued existance, including (at the insistance of its membership) the American Society of Petroleum Geologists, the last hold out.
In addition the national science academies of more than 30m countries have issued similar statements finding that anthropogenic global climate change is a FACT.
So why should I believe you and your silly rants?
Posted by: JustTheFacts | May 15, 2010, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
OUR COUNTRY IS HEADING THE SAME WAY AS GREECE. EVEN OTHER COUNTRIES ARE TELLING US THAT!! WE REALLY NEED TO GET RID OF EVERY DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN. WE WILL GO DOWN THE TUBES IF WE DON’T.
Posted by: ann | May 15, 2010, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
What is this??? A show of loyality?? Oh, I forgot there’s a 100 D3mocrat Seats in play this election and he NEEDS to show Loyality. Well, they say the public likes Obama all over again. What do they feed the White House Writers these days?.
Posted by: John Smith | May 15, 2010, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Ronald Reagan’s vision of America: The government can’t help you–I am the government. We must remember that Specter was all in with the Reganauts.
Posted by: gevan | May 15, 2010, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
But of course!
Posted by: LongT | May 15, 2010, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
So what? These morons war going down in November.
Posted by: Bob Snakely | May 15, 2010, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
So why should I believe you and your silly rants?
Posted by: JustTheFacts
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Namely because they aren’t rants. Shred them. Please.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
smartlillena: You STILL haven’t made a cogent argument beyond calling people names. Exactly what is it you want someone to respond to other than a list of conspiracy theory shorthand?
Posted by: JustTheFacts | May 15, 2010, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Shred it, please. Please?
Posted by: smartlillena
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I’d think you’d be able to destroy that list in less time than it in less time than it takes you to edit or remove someone’s post.
Destroy it, please, show everyone that I’m wrong about the ethanol/mpg scam. The false data generated by IPCC. I notice you didn’t date those quotes, were they based on that data?
Please?
)don’t bother with those HC lies, they’re accepted by pretty much everyone today
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits. Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:34:37 PM
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You’re confused because you don’t know what you’re talking about. 195 Democrats voted against Bush’s drug plan – only 9 voted for it. 207 Republicans voted for it. Only 19 against.For the Record – you ought to be more interested in the real facts rather than your own blathering.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:41:18 PM
Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper than just the vote count. And also, “pride cometh before the fall.”
“Unfortunately, no consensus emerged on how to reform Medicare as a whole, and how much that would cost. So it looked as if the $400 billion that President Bush put on the table would remain there.
“Meanwhile, actual and projected drug costs continued their explosive ascent. Various Democratic and Republican members of Congress introduced plans to cover out-patient prescription drugs. The 10-year cost of the Democrats’ plans greatly exceeded $400 billion. The Republicans’ plans were much more limited.” -Brookings dot edu
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
smartlillena: This really is pointless. It is not up to the rest of the world to keep up with whatever the latest pack of lies is emanating from the anti-science crowd. I have no idea what you are specifically referring to in your rants (and yes, they are rants). The FACT is that the evidence for anthropogenic climate change is well documented and has been accepted by every scientific society in the United States and most national academies of science throughout the developed world. That you cannot come to grips with this and toss out meaningless acronyms does not change that FACT. Even if one or two data points occasionally come into question, that is the way science works. Just because you CHOOSE to BELIEVE that a single questionable datum destroys decades of careful and validated research, does not make it so. So – I’m done with you. Rant away at will.
Posted by: JustTheFacts | May 15, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
I read this column frequently, as Jake Tapper is one of my favorite journalists, and real journalists are a seriously endangered species.
I’ve never seen such out of the wings comments here before. Climate? I’ve been an environmentalist since the late ’70′s. Water vapor is the #1 greenhouse gas on the planet according to actual climatologists, none of the greenhouse doomsday predictions for the past 40 years has come to pass-no ice ages, no water worlds, no worldwide Sahara-due o the fact that politics and science just don’t mix well and they DO NOT TAKE WATER VPOR INTO ACCOUNT ON THEIR MODELS. That’s why all the doomsday scenarios are supposed to happen 20 to (now) 50 years form now. By then, who cares if the predictions were wrong?
But WHAT does AlGore have to do with Darlin Arlen Spector, a longtime friend of my family here in PA anyhow? The man had principles once: he helped my cousin get a heart transplant, among other things…but that was then and this is now.
He PROMISED at his townhall meetings that he would vote “No” on any healthcare legislation that funded abortion. He PROMISED he would vote “No” on any healthcare legislation that he deemed unconstitutional. He then immediately began emailing that he supports this “robust” healthcare legislation, and he did vote “Yea”.
He has a thin skin though, and we’ve gone back and forth on a number of issues over the years, including his lies on Obamacare.
What Specter is is a union controlled insider. That’s great in PA, where the government of the commonwealth is controlled by the unions. And as I said, he once had a sense of honor after a sort…but he is now a turncoat and a blatant liar, promising one thing and doing another, just like his new owner, Obama. He is costing us JOBS. He is a liability.
Judging by the polls, he actually stands a chance of getting CREAMED by Toomey, who’s ahead of both Spector and Sestak.
PA is hemmoraging jobs, our taxes are rising and our best choice is to leave here looking for greener pastures, which leaves PA with an increasingly senior population. We have a problem here. I don’t give a rotund rodent’s rear WHAT you think of the climate, THE CLIMATE IS NOT THE ISSUE! JOBS ARE THE ISSUE UNLESS YOU’RE A CAREER WELFARE RECIPIENT, and WE PAY YOUR WELFARE CHECK while YOU worry about phony global warming and know nothng of GEOPHYSICS or ANY science except what you regurgitate from those who’s worldviews reinforce your own! Ethanol WILL NOT SAVE OUR JOBS, it’s too EXPENSIVE!! FARM for a freaking while! Growing corn is HARD ON THE SOIL, that’s why THERE IS CROP ROTATION for Pete’s sake!
Darlin’ Arlen has NOTHING TO GIVE the people of THIS COMMONWEALTH anymore, and he is STRUGGLING against the political noose that he put around his OWN neck when he turned coat on his constituents! THAT is what this article is about! Can you people stick to the ISSUES AT HAND once?
/end rant
Posted by: cake_crumb | May 15, 2010, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
It is definitely pointless but the amount of falsified data was considerable. Considerably more than you’re alluding to. The UN is currently holding a hearing on that very thing. But I’m sure you are aware of that. Several of the endorsers, SEVERAL, have since withdrawn their endorsement. It is clear that those you cited were unknowingly using the falsified data. Have withdrawn those endorsements or do they still stand?
It appears that you keep returning to CC to avoid those other “baseless claims”. We both know there is nothing baseless about them. They are completely factual.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Hey, Tim? Arlen switched parties over a year ago. You must have missed that.
Posted by: cake_crumb | May 15, 2010, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits. Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 2:34:37 PM
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You’re confused because you don’t know what you’re talking about. 195 Democrats voted against Bush’s drug plan – only 9 voted for it. 207 Republicans voted for it. Only 19 against.For the Record – you ought to be more interested in the real facts rather than your own blathering.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 2:41:18 PM
Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper than just the vote count. And also, “pride cometh before the fall.”
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Can anything be clearer?
The Democrats voted against Bush and the Republicans seniors drug plan – they did not support it.
Are you claiming they voted for it? Because they did not. Anything else you post is nonsense.
The Democrats voted against the plan – it is the responsibility of Bush and the Republicans alone. Period.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Now you’re talking straight delusion.
Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost EVERY month under Bush – at times over 700,000.
Oh sure, its Obama who’s made a mess of things.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 6:11:34 PM
Jobs lost 2008 (Bush) – approx 2.6 million
Jobs lost 2009 (Obama) – over 4 million
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Not only do both of us know those claims are completely factual. The UN hasn’t convened a hearing over “1 or 2 questionable data points”. They are in a session to address intentionally falsified data that scientists around the world accepted as fact and based their own conclusions on.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 15, 2010, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Are you claiming they voted for it? Because they did not. Anything else you post is nonsense.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 9:30:49 PM
Ha ha. I said “And they voted against the prescription… No wait they actually wanted more benefits.” You misread my statement in your haste to stalk me.
Everyone makes so much of the plan and forget that before the plan was passed, the Dems actually wanted one with even more benefits. What a bunch of hypocrits!
Nonsense? I think not. I’ll give you the last word – not that I have a choice.
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 9:30:57 PM
After I read Brownstein’s post at National Journal Mag called Repairing The Job Machine: More jobs might be created this year than during George W. Bush’s presidency (interesting read), I noticed Steve Benen’s post today called “BACK TO WORK”. Benen references both Brownstein’s assertion about jobs, and a chart that was published in WaPo in January under this title and lead in: “The lost decade for the economy
The U.S. economy has expanded at a healthy clip for most of the last 70 years, but by a wide range of measures, it stagnated in the first decade of the new millennium. Job growth was essentially zero, as modest job creation from 2003 to 2007 wasn’t enough to make up for two recessions in the decade. Rises in the nation’s economic output, as measured by gross domestic product, was weak. And household net worth, when adjusted for inflation, fell as stock prices stagnated, home prices declined in the second half of the decade and consumer debt skyrocketed.”
Its worth studying.
Nobody questions that President Obama inherited an economy in free fall with escalating job losses that started during the Bush admin– as you note. 4 million jobs were lost, but when you consider what Bush inherited– a 4% unemployment rate, a huge surplus, and relatively sunny skies ahead till 9/11; and frankly even then he was much better set up to buffer a crisis financially– its hard to pretend that a comparison favors Bush and Bush policy.
Just sayin.
In 2004 when many of you re-elected Bush, the Bush-Cheney admin was the first administration in the modern era to go four years with a net job growth of zero. Zilch. Nada.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 15, 2010, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Now you’re talking straight delusion.
Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost EVERY month under Bush – at times over 700,000.
Oh sure, its Obama who’s made a mess of things.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010 6:11:34 PM
Jobs lost 2008 (Bush) – approx 2.6 million
Jobs lost 2009 (Obama) – over 4 million
Posted by: For The Record | May 15, 2010 9:30:57 PM
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Again you show your shallow analysis.
1) Obama wasn’t sworn in until January 20th – surely you’re not thick enough to attribute January’s job losses to Obama policies? Are you?
That’s 600,000 job losses you can add onto Bush’s total and remove from Obama’s.
2) Obama acted VERY fast and the ARRA bill was signed into law in mid-February and while implemented quickly did not take effect to turn around the economy in days.
That’s another 600,000 jobs lost while Obama had been in office for less than a month.
Anyone with the smallest of conscience would not attribute those job losses to Obama being president for 4 weeks!
So, there is an additional 1.2 million Bush jobs lost for a total of 3.8 million. And Obama’s total comes down to 2.8 million – with the situation improving.
Most thinking people would attribute jobs lost in March to the Bush economy as well. And probably April and more.
But that would be fair-minded people – and we have come to know what to expect from your lot.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
The Democrats voted against the seniors drug plan – it is the responsibility of Bush and the Republicans alone.
And it plunged the country further into debt because – unlike the Democrats proposals – it did not recommend an increase in taxes for those earning over 200,000 to pay for it.
Bush and the Republicans passed the measure with NO way to pay for it.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
The FACT is that the evidence for anthropogenic climate change is well documented and has been accepted by every scientific society in the United States and most national academies of science throughout the developed world. That you cannot come to grips with this and toss out meaningless acronyms does not change that FACT. Even if one or two data points occasionally come into question, that is the way science works. Just because you CHOOSE to BELIEVE that a single questionable datum destroys decades of careful and validated research, does not make it so. So – I’m done with you. Rant away at will.
Posted by: JustTheFacts | May 15, 2010 9:04:17 PM
Good on ya.
To paraphrase George Monbiot, those who don’t give a fig about science tend to maximize the importance of the trail of wreckage created by the climate change related email hacking and the talking points of denialist sites.
The problem with the denialists is, of course, that even if one excludes every line of evidence which could possibly be disputed such as the proxy records or the computer models the fact of the matter remains that the evidence for manmade global warming would still be unequivocal. The evidence is right there in the measured temperature record, which goes back to 1850; right there in the shrinkage of glaciers and the thinning of sea ice; right there in the responses of wild animals and plants and the rapidly changing crop zones.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 15, 2010, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Isn’t Organizing for America one of those George Soros sheel organizations?
Posted by: ncpg | May 15, 2010, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Specter is going to to anything for a paycheck with whom ever pays it,bought and paid for
Posted by: bewolff | May 15, 2010, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Interesting how Obama campaigned by railing against an aggressive foreign policy in the Middle East, meanwhile AP reports the following:
“U.S. missiles have regularly pounding al-Qaida and Taliban targets along the Afghan border for two years now. The attacks have killed scores of people, most of them identified as militants by Pakistani officials. But they have caused anger in Pakistan, where many people see them as an unacceptable violation of the country’s sovereignty.”
Where is the outcry from libs on this one? You see when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy in the Middle East by a guy with a ‘D’ after his name, it’s A-OK. But the guy with the R after his name is accused by Obama et al. as a ‘cowboy’, as ‘inflaming violence in the Middle East’, as ‘terrorizing the people of the Middle East’.
How many examples of hypocrisy will be exhibited by liberals and this administration before it’s all over for them?
Posted by: EPU | May 15, 2010, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Interesting how Obama campaigned by railing against an aggressive foreign policy in the Middle East
Posted by: EPU | May 15, 2010 10:27:04 PM
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He did not.
Obama campaigned on increasing the troops and the conflict in Afghanistan – and in fact alluded to the necessity of moving the efforts into Pakistan.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
In a July 2007 Foreign Affairs article, Obama . . . said Iraq is not and “never was” the main front of the war on terror. Obama has called for a greater counterterrorism focus on Afghanistan and the tribal region of Pakistan.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
I love reading the libs revisionist history fantasy. Once the Dems took over Congress everything went south. Bush was a poor second termer, but going from bad to absolutely horrendous is not going to help the dems come election time. All the spin, blame passing, and finger pointing(which they seem to do more than 6 year olds) cannot hide their utter and corrupt incompetence with the economy and society in general.
Posted by: trajan2448 | May 15, 2010, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
I’ve always felt many politicians would sell their mother/sister/daughter to prostitution to win re-election. Specter is living proof. He’d call himself a follower of Bozo the Clown if it meant he could stay in power.
Posted by: go_figure7722 | May 15, 2010, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Specter is on his way out!!! PA can do better than this RINO Turncoat Democrat.
Say hello to all the people you and Obama put in the unemployment lines with your failed socialist policies!!!
Posted by: ManOnPoint | May 15, 2010, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Posted by: trajan2448 | May 15, 2010 10:57:11 PM
Bush and the Republicans had 6 years in which they put in place their Republican economic policies – to make the country’s economy ‘strong’.
Not very ‘strong’ at all – it collapsed like a house of cards and took a lot of our money with it – and a lot of money from people who were about to, or hoping to retire.
The Republicans failed miserably on that front.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
tierra wrote: “Not very ‘strong’ at all – it collapsed like a house of cards and took a lot of our money with it – and a lot of money from people who were about to, or hoping to retire. ”
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Paul Kanjorski, Democrat from Pennsylvania on C-SPAN… “On Thursday [Sep 18 2008]at about 11 o’clock in the morning, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of $550 billion was like being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. They pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide; we were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there. ”
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Where did the money go… who did this… what Republican policy that you speak of contributed to this? Someone wasn’t trying to influence an election…. were they?
Posted by: gk | May 15, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
During the 8 yrs of the Bush admin. 12.5 million workers were added to the labor force. 95% of them were working. BLS numbers folks.
Posted by: yates | May 15, 2010, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
From February 2001, Bush’s first full month in office, through January 2009, his last, total U.S. nonfarm employment grew from 132.5 million to 133.5 million, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s an increase, obviously, of just 1 million.
Posted by: tierra | May 15, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
How many examples of hypocrisy will be exhibited by liberals and this administration before it’s all over for them? Posted by: EPU | May 15, 2010 10:27:04 PM
**************About eight years of hypocrisy should
make it even with the Neocons.
Posted by: spacerook1 | May 15, 2010, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
I love my country, I am affiliated with no political party. Both parties share guilt because they represent political machines destined to keep them in power and feeding at the trough of public funds. They are parasites that have placed our nation in grave peril. They don’t have the guts to describe the financial pit they have propelled us into. My two senators and representative still bring federal funds to the state as if there were available funds, they just don’t get it. Because such deception is being promulgated by the administration, the congress and the media I have chosen some simple words to describe the situation. Words that every citizen needs to hear but won’t unless these simple truths go viral. As we continue the plunge into debt, a plunge that may already be beyond recovery please read and consider my simple words, I have nothing to gain other than our nation!
On the street it seems that people just can’t grasp the severity of the nation’s financial crisis thus still turn to the government for bailout. There always seems to be one more worthy need for bailout but facts dictate that our government is in no position to bail anyone out and our constitution offers no hint that it should do so. My representative voted to raise the debt ceiling because the government needed to pay its bills. What a crock, raise the ultimate bill to pay bills? But politicians while getting their raises and their expensive “perks” do some crazy things adding to the “nanny state” mentality many have been misled into accepting as the norm.
If you had a brother so fiscally irresponsible that his unfunded liabilities were double his net worth could you of clear conscience ask him for assistance knowing that he would have to borrow 43 cents of each dollar he gave you? This is the situation with “big brother” so we must shed our “nanny state” mentality and tell our representation on “the hill” to stop spending and to just say no to any pork for our district or any other district or state.
I performed an oversimplified calculation to see what would be required to pay down the current level of debt. Assuming the interest rate to remain constant at two per-cent for 50 years is a part of that oversimplification. If the budget were balanced yesterday (fat chance) and we began to pay a half trillion dollars per year (approx one quarter of total revenue) on the debt it would take 50 years to pay off the debt.
So far I have only heard Obama speak (no action) of reducing the deficit. A reduced deficit only means we are charging less, the debt would still be increasing just at a slightly reduced rate. Obamacare is touted as the Rx for the deficit, but it failed to address Medicare “doc-fix” so that was a gross misrepresentation (especially considering current CBO estimates). It was also a ruse as I find many on the street do not understand that deficit and debt are not the same thing. Since the Obama/Pelosi/Reid triad are marching on a track that will continue trillion dollar plus deficits as far as we can see there is little hope that the debt can be paid down in 50 years, or in 100 years, or ever, for that matter.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | May 16, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Posted by: pafaery | May 16, 2010 12:05:51 AM
Besides all your hysteria . .. its worth remembering . ..
Bush and the Republicans had 6 years in which they put in place their Republican economic policies – to make the country’s economy ‘strong’.
Not very ‘strong’ at all – it collapsed like a house of cards and took a lot of our money with it – and a lot of money from people who were about to, or hoping to retire.
The Republicans failed miserably on that front.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 12:14 am 12:14 am
So far I have only heard Obama speak (no action) of reducing the deficit.
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Nonsense.
Obama has put together the first bi-partisan deficit reduction commission that is tasked with delivering specific recommendations in terms of spending cuts and tax increases.
He made it bi-partisan so neither party could play politics and finger point over the suggested reductions or taxes.
It’s an essential step, and its been put in motion.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Obama’s help in an election means death to a candidate. ..and can some one explain just how higher job growth equals higher unemployment?..and when you include those people who have given up looking for a job the 10 percent unemployment figures are more 17 percent.
Posted by: ringmaster76120 | May 16, 2010, 12:21 am 12:21 am
progressive mama — now you’re going to start with the Chicken Little “global warming” fairy tale?
Dear, there hasn’t been any “warming” in — what? — something like fifteen years?
I live in the midwest; we’ve had just about the mildest spring. It’s just lovely. Come to think of it, the seasons have been coming and going per the usual routine.
“Climate change” — yeah, get real. Spewing your cutesy little lib terms like “denialists” doesn’t change the fact that you True Believers are the ones bucking reality.
Get a hobby. Anything is better than wringing your hands over a sky-is-falling hoax clearly designed to usurp wealth and power.
Posted by: Carlo | May 16, 2010, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Spewing your cutesy little lib terms Keep pretending Obama the absolutist radical is “focused like a laser” on creating jobs.
Posted by: Carlo | May 16, 2010 12:50:36 AM
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Have little interest in science, research or fact.
The job situation has gone from hemorrhaging 700,000 jobs per month under Bush to increasing 300,000 jobs last month under Obama.
I guess the facts mean little to you as you spew your insults.
“The U.S. economy created 290,000 jobs in April, the most in any month in the past four years.” Voice of America News.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Bush’s average unemployment (even with 9-11 and Katrina), 5.5%.
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Unfortunately Bush left an economy in virtual free-fall collapse. Major banks and financial institutions failing, the stock market crashing, upwards to 700,000 people losing their jobs each month, foreclosures and bankrupcies through the roof, major American auto companies collapsing . .. . a complete mess.
I suppose that is President Obama’s fault.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:13 am 1:13 am
unfortunately Bush and the republicans tried several times to avert the default swap crisis crated by the Clinton Administration. But Mr. Frank and the dems stopped them every time. Of course Mr. Franks Boyfriend was making a boatload of cash flooding the market with bad debts.
And that is not Obama bin Bidens fault but it is his parties fault. It is what happens when you try to spread the wealth around to people who do not know how to properly manage wealth.
Posted by: Karl | May 16, 2010, 1:32 am 1:32 am
unfortunately Bush and the republicans tried several times to avert the default swap crisis crated by the Clinton Administration.
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Nonsense.
Bush and the Republicans had control of the presidency and the congress for SIX years – any failure of governing is a result of their own incompetence. They can’t blame it on anyone but themselves.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:35 am 1:35 am
Not nonsense they did not have super majority control like the current Administration which like the Clinton administration has created massive debt bombs with fuses set to explode in 2014.
All efforts to rein in the crisis were blocked by votes that ran right down party lines.
Posted by: Karl | May 16, 2010, 1:42 am 1:42 am
unfortunately Bush and the republicans tried several times to avert the default swap crisis crated by the Clinton Administration.
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Nonsense.
Bush and the Republicans had control of the presidency and the congress for SIX years – any failure of governing is a result of their own incompetence. They can’t blame it on anyone but themselves.
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And in fact, Republicans had the majority in both chambers of Congress FOR OVER 10 YEARS – basically from January 1995 to January 2007 and the Presidency from 2001 to 2008.
Any failure of governance is their own failure.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:43 am 1:43 am
What a joke. The Republican had a majority in both chambers of Congress basically for 12 years straight AND the presidency for 8 year straight – and they blame poor governance on the Democrats.
Losers.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Folks, wise up. Neither political party is supportive of your ideas about government. They both work for the same master, corporation and other special interest organizations. There’s only one solution, repeal of the 17th amendment and restoration of the balance of government, as intended by its founders.
Posted by: John Locke | May 16, 2010, 2:20 am 2:20 am
Folks, wise up. Neither political party is supportive of your ideas about government. They both work for the same master, corporation and other special interest organizations. There’s only one solution, repeal of the 17th amendment and restoration of the balance of government, as intended by its founders.
Posted by: John Locke | May 16, 2010 2:20:45 AM
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Maybe so John, but at least the Dems seem competent. Had enough of the Republicans over those long 8 years.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Yeah, yeah, yeah the GOP had the WH for 8 years. B4 that Clinton had it for 8 years. The one thing that cannot be debated that during this time period we never felt our country was on the verge of becoming a socialist stae. That can no longer be said as the current admin. is changing America to be more like Europe. What a scary thought that is. On our current path we will be like Greece in 10 short years. Wake up people, stop looking at the government to solve all of life’s problems. You cannot have a free life with the ability to do what you want when you want if you are beholden to the government for life’s basic needs. Stop voting for those that care not about our freedoms. Finally, how can you expect one who grew up living off the government (Obama) to do anything but make government bigger? The man knows no other way of life and therefore, will change your life, and not for the better as he puts forth his dream of the perfect socialist government.
Posted by: Tim | May 16, 2010, 2:46 am 2:46 am
The one thing that cannot be debated that during this time period we never felt our country was on the verge of becoming a socialist stae. That can no longer be said . . .
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Of course it can be debated – unless you’re living in a totalitarian state.
And by the way, you’re wrong . . . what the country is on the verge of – or at least was until we got rid of the last administration – was a complete economic collapse.
Fortunately, that has no begun to turn around.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 2:52 am 2:52 am
Arlen Specter is not owed the Senate seat that he is in and he is not entitled to it. It looks to me that Obama is just doing a payback favor for Specter for his party switch and a few Senate votes that he needed which seems to be the usual Washington type of politics that Obama campaigned against back in 2008.
If Specter wins the nomination, then Pat Toomey will more than likely run ads of Specter being endorsed by Bush in 2004, being endorsed by Obama in 2010, and then saying that Specter will do or say anything to keep his Senate seat even if he has to become a completely different person to do it!
Joe Sestak is the better and more electable Democratic Senate candidate in my opinion.
Mitch
Dallas, Texas
Posted by: Mitch - Dallas, Texas | May 16, 2010, 2:59 am 2:59 am
ABC News: You can call liberals whatever you want, their views are still rejected by most Americans. Soon, the average American will realize that “progressive” means “liberal.” Why you would want to tarnish the term “progressive” is beyond me.
Posted by: ABC/DNC PR Campaign | May 16, 2010, 4:05 am 4:05 am
So the Democrats of Penn. have a choice: The guy who has flipped parties twice and issues several times for his own political self interest or the liberal admiral who was fired from the Navy. Sounds par for the course in a Democratic primary.
Posted by: Choices | May 16, 2010, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Of course Obama wants a traitor turncoat to win. He loves the dishonest hate the voting public types.
Posted by: Rick Mussom | May 16, 2010, 4:53 am 4:53 am
Put a fork in him…………He’s done!!
Posted by: Smilinjack | May 16, 2010, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Tierra……….You’re counting a PORTION of the VERY temporary 600,000 census workers that were hired. In fact most of the “jobs” were Federal pork jobs. You are a TRUE lemming and zombie. You should be SO proud!!
Posted by: Smilinjack | May 16, 2010, 7:18 am 7:18 am
It’s obvious that Obama is secretly trying to help Sestak by coming out for Specter, seeing that his endorsement has been the kiss of death for any candidate receiving it.
Posted by: Gene in Jersey | May 16, 2010, 8:01 am 8:01 am
What’s the difference between prostitutes and politicians? NOTHING!
It is time citizens look for people that will govern “for the people, by the people”…and for ALL citizens, not certain groups!
Pa. better wake up..when Obama went to WV to mourn the miners that were killed…their families actually thought he would work with them to continue coal….he is not, it came out later that he is trying to find funds for environmental groups that went to WV & tied themselves to trees!
Posted by: dareisay | May 16, 2010, 8:23 am 8:23 am
OFA (and to a lesser extent Obama)are causing a self damaging rift in the coalition which elected Obama and other progressives. Very disappointing that they don’t have the sense to stay out of it and let the candidates settle it within PA.
Posted by: Lee Levan | May 16, 2010, 8:24 am 8:24 am
The best thing that Obama can do for Specter is NOTHING! The President is damaged goods.
Posted by: Taxpayer550 | May 16, 2010, 8:33 am 8:33 am
tierra said “at least the Dems seem competent” Really? Your definition of competent and mine are two totally different things. Neither party is competent. Neither party is there to make things better for the average person. They want everyone to be dependent on the government. Being a member of Congress was not intended to be a full-time job according to the Constitution.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | May 16, 2010, 8:35 am 8:35 am
About this one!!!!
OBAMA/CHAVEZ 2012
Posted by: Chupacabra | May 16, 2010, 8:41 am 8:41 am
I have been “represented” by both of them . Each is a self-serving liberal slug. Joe Sestak is the most boring person in the world. His “virtual meetings” would put a crackhead to sleep.
Neither of them represent their constituencies. Sestak represents the suburbs of Philly and he did his town hall meetings in ghetto churches in the city of Philadelphia. He is a fraud.
They removed Arlen’s last functioning braincell with xrays many years ago. He is old and decrepit.
Posted by: Selrahc | May 16, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Spector will be put out to pasture on 5/18!
Posted by: sharon | May 16, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am
The people of PA must make a decision. Both of them are bent on destroying America. They along with the Pretender to the Throne are creating a Cradle to the Grave Society otherwise known as SOCIALISM. Socialism will lead to Facism. It took the Roman Empire 400 years to disappeaer. But the America we know is disappearing before our eyes. WAKE UP AMERICA!! Most Americans cannot see the forest from the trees. We have become a Third World, Banana Republic lead by a man who wants to be EMPEROR!! GOD HELP AMERICA!!
Posted by: MARTY Z | May 16, 2010, 9:34 am 9:34 am
We had all better pray – and pray very hard – that specter loses and that barack’s henchmen utterly and completely FAIL. Our country and our people in this country cannot tolerate any more of the dictatoring rule of barack and his “guys”……We’ve had ENOUGH!
Posted by: annie | May 16, 2010, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Most elected politicans are only concerned with re-election and creating wealth for themselves. Close to 40% of the Senate are millionaires. They are not interested in the situation faced by all LEGAL Americans. Many come nto office “poor” but leave as very wealthy individuals. Democracy is a wonderful system but it has been corrpted by the politicans of both parties. The Founding Fathers mst be turning over in their graves. This administration is determined to dismantle the U.S. Constitution. The First and Second Amendments will be destroyed. Freedom of Speech is under attack and the Right to Bear Arms will be taken away by the Pretender to the Throne under some phoney pretext. We will be told it is for”our good” and that the Govt. knows whats best for us!! BIG BROTHER WANTS TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. Gorge Orwell in his book 1984, predicted this over 50 ears ago. Go read his book and then Cry for America.
Posted by: MARTY Z | May 16, 2010, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Specter and others like him (Crist, John McCain and Lindsay Graham) are all, living proof of the need for term-limits.
All of these politicians need to go. People running for office should pledge to support a term-limits bill. If not, don’t vote for them.
The only reason we have run-away spending is because politicians that hang around longest get their turn to loot the treasury. Pork spent back home, gets them votes. Pork spent with friends and influence given for lobbyists, gets them campaign funds. The longer they can keep it up, the more powerful they become. It’s a disgraceful cycle and it’s got to stop.
Posted by: Smark | May 16, 2010, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Obama is a liar.
Posted by: Buffetking | May 16, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
It has been 1 1/2 years since Bush left office and we are still hearing Bush did this and Bush did that. I am sick of it! Obama has done more damage to this Country in a year and a half than Bush did in eight years! Look at the deficit alone! An to think that we have to tolerate this inept administration for another two and one half years? It is time to take out the trash, and this November is only the beginning!
Posted by: George | May 16, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am
The Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee have NO BUSINESS taking sides between two Democratic candidates in a Democratic primary campaign!!! Especially when on the side of Arlen Specter, a politician as craven as they come.
As Jake Tapper wrote, Arlen Specter only quit the repub party when it became clear he would lose to his repub primary opponent. Arlen Specter does NOT have the best interests of Democratic primary voters at heart. The only one Arlen Specter has the best interests at heart is….Arlen Specter. Shame on you, President Obama, for supporting this craven and unreliable politician.
Posted by: Glenn | May 16, 2010, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Not only is this a comedy section, it is also as a popular military man once said, some folks are just “STUCK ON STUPID” and there is nothing anyone can do for the ignorant. You will just have to live through this Obama experiment (putting someone in as president that has no credentials and no conceivable idea of what to do). He is probably right, islam may be the way to go and he can be the puppet that will lead us there. Dictatorships are actually a good thing when we have folks that drink the kool-aide of the democrats and the news media that are struggling to survive. Enjoy the experience while you can and pass it down to your children (unless you continue to abort them) and your grandchildren. allah babba and mas alam.
Posted by: pafaery | May 16, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Specter cares only for himself. This self serivng horrendous little man mest go!
Vote the corrupt power loving little freak out of office!!!!!
Posted by: Darrel | May 16, 2010, 10:47 am 10:47 am
It is not going to work. They are ALL gone come November…Every incumbent of both parties is going to go. Clean Sweep to get RID of INCUMBENTS! Let us elect some new honest men and then we can start investigating ex officials and prosecuting them. The US needs to do this at every level for city thru county thru State thru Federal level.
Posted by: CW Orange | May 16, 2010, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Arlen Sphincter is interested in self preservation, nothing more. It’s time to remove all these self serving sleaze-balls and elect people that actually care about the preservation of this country; people that will stand up and call out Obama for the socialist scum that he is.
The future of our children and grandchildren depend on getting this country back on course and not going deeper into debt with more massive entitlement programs that we can’t afford.
Obama has made it abundantly clear by calling on only the minorities to support him; to rally behind him in November. It’s clear Obama is not interested in unity, only division and is willing to use any and all lies, deception and fraud to secure the votes he needs to survive and continue pushing his socialist agenda.
This November it’s time we wipe the Obama scum from the bottom of our shoe once and for all. Remove anyone that is pro Obama anti-America and let Obama know that he can either pull his head out of his A$$ or he also will be removed.
Posted by: michael hamrick | May 16, 2010, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Will you liberals get over calling yourselves “progressives” please? You people are *not* about progress and freedoms and liberty at all (except that sole thing that’s so important to you people – privacy in the bedroom and gay rights). There is nothing “progressive” about forcing everyone to buy government health care; there is nothing “progressive” about taxing the successful more and more and redistributing wealth to underachievers; there is nothing “progressive’ about taxing corporations so much they move jobs overseas; there is nothing “progressive” about wanting to punish American and businesses with the Algore junk science global warming “cap and trade” tax.
Posted by: Jason | May 16, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Anyone from the Obama campaign working ANYONE’s campaign will only spell disaster, as they plant charges that take out the underpinnings of anyone’s campaign. Regarding Benedict Arlen, I say “keep using Obama”.
Posted by: RobbieK | May 16, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
TaxPayer550 wrote: “The best thing that Obama can do for Specter is NOTHING! The President is damaged goods.”
The President and 95 percent of congress are damaged goods. Clean Sweep in 2010!
Posted by: mndasher | May 16, 2010, 11:39 am 11:39 am
are they going to ask those angry people that cling to there religion and guns???….. Elite lying hypocrite
Posted by: firedup49 | May 16, 2010, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Obamma is a liar.
Posted by: Barbara | May 16, 2010, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Funny how ultra-rightists praised Specter when he was Republican; but how they deride him when changed parties! He is no hypocrite, rather his switch was a frank confrontation the Gop went to right and is losing its balance. Rather the double-player is Mccain who said he was a liberal maverick during his past run , but is now a radical now.
Posted by: Tschrny9 | May 16, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Funny how ultra-rightists praised Specter when he was Republican; but how they deride him when changed parties! He is no hypocrite, rather his switch was a frank confrontation the Gop went to right and is losing its balance. Rather the double-player is Mccain who said he was a liberal maverick during his past run , but is now a radical now.
Posted by: Tschrny9 | May 16, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Funny how ultra-rightists praised Specter when he was Republican; but how they deride him when changed parties! He is no hypocrite, rather his switch was a frank confrontation the Gop went to right and is losing its balance. Rather the double-player is Mccain who said he was a liberal maverick during his past run , but is now a radical now.
Posted by: Tschrny9 | May 16, 2010, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
progressive mama, justfacts, or whoever ya’ll are, you know where I’m wrong. Correct me.
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“To paraphrase George Monbiot, those who don’t give a fig about science tend to maximize the importance of the trail of wreckage created by the climate change related email hacking and the talking points of denialist sites.”
If the best characterization Mr Moonbat can manage is “climate change related email hacking” it seems that Mr Moonbat doesn’t give a fig about science, himself. Unless it says what he wants it to say and he’s good with using lies to manufacture that science.
The current UN hearings have nothing to do with the hacker. They are strictly a response to the falsified information revealed by the hacker.
“The problem with the denialists is, of course, that even if one excludes every line of evidence which could possibly be disputed such as the proxy records or the computer models the fact of the matter remains that the evidence for manmade global warming would still be unequivocal. The evidence is right there in the measured temperature record, which goes back to 1850; right there in the shrinkage of glaciers and the thinning of sea ice; right there in the responses of wild animals and plants and the rapidly changing crop zones.”
I don’t deny climate change but the statistics you refer to are a direct result of numerous instances of falsified data. The “citations” provided as proof were conveniently not dated. Datum is a compilation all the data, collectively. Saying “1 datum point” is even a misnomer, to say the least. It sounds learned, but it’s actually a misuse (intentional?) of the term and doesn’t even make sense.
Again, the current UN hearings have nothing to do with the hacker but strictly what the hacker revealed.
You guys just need to tell the truth and stop trying to manipulate the issue using poor attempts at misdirection/mischaracterization.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Will you liberals get over calling yourselves “progressives” please? You people are *not* about progress and freedoms and liberty at all (except that sole thing that’s so important to you people – privacy in the bedroom and gay rights). There is nothing “progressive” about forcing everyone to buy government health care; there is nothing “progressive” about taxing the successful more and more and redistributing wealth to underachievers; there is nothing “progressive’ about taxing corporations so much they move jobs overseas; there is nothing “progressive” about wanting to punish American and businesses with the Algore junk science global warming “cap and trade” tax.
You sir, have absoltely no idea what you’re talking about, everything you’ve listed is actually the definition of progressism and has been since its inception 100yrs ago.
And for all the particulars you list, is why it must be defeated, the naked authoritarianism of progressives is there for all too see if they just read history. Both Mussolini & Hitler’s Joseph Goebbbels cite early American progressives as their inspiration.
Posted by: MJMotley | May 16, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Obama must be pretty desperate for support if he is trying to help Specter get re-elected despite the fact Specter supported McCain. The people of Pennslyvania would do well to get rid of Specter for his selfishness. He puts himself ahead of his state to stay in office. It’s time Pennslyvania figured that out.
Posted by: NotFondOfLibs | May 16, 2010, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Why do “Progressives” think that going towards Europe, a model of thousands of years IN THE PAST is the future???
Its never worked before and we are all sitting back, pacing out the popcorn and watching as Europe collapses into itself because of its social nanny-state ways. Greece was not a fluke, Spain, Ireland, Portugal and Germany as heading down the same “money pit” sink-hole of debt and destruction as Greece.
Interestingly, Greeks who come to the US, setup their own restaurants, deli’s and stores — to get away from their socialist for-fathers, are some of the hardest working people you can ever find… they understand, respect and conform to the great free market, capitalist model of the United States…
despite Barney Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Chris Dodd’s attempt to destroy our economy – we as Americans are resilient and are pulling ourselves back out of this disaster they caused, even against Obama’s agenda of destruction of our economy with his focus on everything BUT fixing it – with his empty promises, false fixes and flat out lies… we just need to hold out strong – take back both houses in November and do a major course correction and put this Lame-Duck Socialist President on the bench for 2 more years and get a Center-Left or Conservative President back into the White House and undo all of the massive damage that Congress, Obama and the Progressives have done to this great country – we will prevail !!!
Posted by: Curt | May 16, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
I for one no longer care what Obama thinks are says – he is a proven liar and he not good for the American people.
Obama does care what the American majority thinks, what a shame.
We can only pray he doesn’t totally ruin our country in the next 3 years.
Posted by: a citizen | May 16, 2010, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Posted by: a citizen | May 16, 2010 1:19:43 PM
You can easily see which campaign promisess the President has kept and which he hasn’t on polifact – his record is very good. Not perfect (what person is?) – but very good.
Posted by: tierra | May 16, 2010, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
The fact that Obama is supporting the craven Arlen Specter over a true progressive Democrat is proof beyond a doubt that obama is NOT a progressive. Obama seems to be nothing more that a willing tool of the right-wing corporatist oligarchy.
And the far right-wing tea-baggers that are calling Obama a liberal? Uh hum, sure. The tea-baggers, which are nothing more than the far right-wing arm of the repub party, ought to be thanking their lucky stars that Obama is not a progressive. If Obama were truly a progressive, the repubs and their tea-bagger brigade would have sunk into total obscurity in the mainstream media by now.
Posted by: Glenn | May 16, 2010, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
I’m a PA voter who voted for Spectre in the past. When he supported the Obama bail out plan that spent over a trillion $ to save his Goldman & Sachs friends who supported his campaign, and the bail out of the Automotive Unions by propping up GM, I sent him an email telling him I would never vote for him again. I’m sure many others in PA did the same, as he changed parts shortly after he voted to burden my children and their children due save a few that made poor decisions. Why would anyone vote for people that have hurt the future of our children? I don’t care what party, if someone votes to make their present situation more comfortable by forcing our children to pay for it, they don’t deserve my vote!
Posted by: CommanderSalamander | May 16, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
there is nothing “progressive” about wanting to punish American and businesses with the Algore junk science global warming “cap and trade” tax.
Posted by: MJMotley
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They’ve clouded that whole issue with so much junk science, purely for the sake of “being green”, that you can’t trust the truth that is there. You really have to overlook those without the faculties to realize they’re being misled. Those knowingly doing the misleading should be sentenced to a life of silence in either an oil refinery, a nuclear facility, or a chemical plant. Their choice.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Progressives should be more aptly called regressives. There is nothing progressive about their policies of big government, wealth redistribution and economic destruction. Buh-bye, Arlen.
Posted by: ConservativeWoman | May 16, 2010, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Obama is not even a liberal. But unfortunately, Obama IS a supporter of corporate welfare, just like the repubs and their tea-bagger brigade. That Obama is going all out for a DINO (Democrat in name only) instead of a true progressive Democrat, says all the American people need to know about Obama.
Posted by: Glenn | May 16, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Posted by: Glenn
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Then you agree we need to get rid of that lying fraud?
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Everyone better settle-in for a long dry spell. This administration has been over it’s head from day one. Their only hope is to postpone Fannie and Freddie’s day of reckoning. We are not tackling any of our problems; just creating situations to prolong the ultimate day of reckoning. No one has the guts to square with the American people. Thus we do and will continue to suffer.
Posted by: longawaiting | May 16, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
This administration has been over it’s head from day one.
Posted by: longawaiting
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He’s darn sure over his head out there in the Gulf. I’m waiting on him to fabricate another new reason as to why that happened.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Just keep on diggin yourselves deeper into the ditch, fellas. You simply aren’t going to know what hit you come November.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2010, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Tschmy9,
I don’t recall a whole lot of Republicans praising Arlen specter when he was a Republican. He was a very liberal Republican, and actually had started out as a Democrat. He merely has come home to his original party. Did he switch to Republican from Democrat because his party had gone too far to the left?
Posted by: Daisy21 | May 16, 2010, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
“I intend to be not a yes man but one of his strongest if not the strongest ally (President Obama) can have in the Senate.” Sestak
Huh??? Sounds like good old political doublespeak to me……..
Posted by: Rob C | May 16, 2010, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
per Carlo: Dear, there hasn’t been any “warming” in — what? — something like fifteen years?
Posted by: progressive mama | May 16, 2010, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Or do a google earth shot.
Posted by: progressive mama
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Better yet, check out the hearings being held by the UN investigating the MULTITUDE of weather data falsified by so called scientists at the IPCC.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I am positive some hinky things have happened and are still happening. I’m equally as positive that bald-faced liars, The Moonbats & Al Gores, and those screaming ‘the sky is falling’ will only make it worse given the chance. They should start all over and stick to the truth this time!
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
There is global warming,it is in the greatest book ever printed,it is made by God.
in case you are interested the earth has always cooled and warmed up again.
man isn’t capable of changing the temperature.he just has a big ego.
Posted by: jem | May 16, 2010, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
while Bush was in office we had good employment.the house and senate were controlled by the Dem’s for the last two years.the housing collapse was caused by Barney the queer.
Posted by: jem | May 16, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Moonbats & Al Gores
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Not surprised to hear another conversation ender in the magical incantation of Al Gore.
I recommend that folks research this themselves and talk to some scientists. Also, travel widely and investigate some of the effects yourself. Being informed is a good thing.
For example one scientist writes:
“Score yet another one for reality: a panel of six scientists have investigated the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit — the target of the so-called “climategate” — and has cleared them of “any deliberate scientific malpractice”. Moreover, they found that while the scientists at the CRU could have been better organized and could use some assistance from statistics professionals, their overall methodology is sound.
In other words, the major cries of foul from global warming deniers when it came to climategate are turning into whimpers.”
Per Discover Mag (Phil Plait)
Also see the cover story of The Economist (March 20th -26th)called “Spin, science and climate change: Action on climate is justified, not because the science is certain, but precisely because it is not.” While at the site check out the briefing titled “The clouds of unknowing: There are lots of uncertainties in climate science. But that does not mean it is fundamentally wrong.”
Posted by: progressive mama | May 16, 2010, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Obama knows how to pick a winner, doesn’t he!!!
Posted by: ncpg | May 16, 2010, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
I’m not surprised that psychopath narcissist Obama supports the vile triple-crosser Spectre. Caligula made his horse a Senator. Our modern Caligula is making a horse’s ass a Senator.
Posted by: obamanation | May 16, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS. STOP THE CORRUPTION.
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
I was a part of Obama’s campaign operation. I wised up when he had those hi-tech executives over at the Whitehouse, promising them more H1-B visas. Look, this guy ran and won on a platform of outlawing or taxing to death job outsourcing, getting rid of the H1-B and L-1 visas. He LIED!
Posted by: Mike Brooks | May 16, 2010, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
What is this? ABC is taken over by the female gender. Whether you realize it or not, ABC’s perspective on the news has gone from biased to completely out of touch. How can such a great news organization be controlled by staff whose favorite pastime is going shopping. No real world understanding. Women are only interested in other women and that is painfully becoming obvious.
Posted by: James Mason | May 16, 2010, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Earth to Progressive Mama!
Al Gore (ManBearPig) didn’t invent the internet, but he DID invent Global Warming.
Posted by: ncpg | May 16, 2010, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
& Al Gores
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conversation ender (blah, blah, blah)
All they’ve had to do is tell the truth. They can’t do that about the simplest things. They feel they have to lie to the “folks”. Their groupies knowingly repeat those lies then insult the “folks” when they ask legitimate questions. Then they can’t imagine that “folks” don’t trust a damn word they say. The “folks” know something’s up but they are sick and tired of the lies and hysterics.
All they’ve had to do is tell the truth.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Their groupies knowingly repeat those lies then insult the “folks” when they ask legitimate questions.
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Earlier I left a cherry of a mistake for you to correct. Intentionally. But correcting that mistake would’ve shone a light directly on 1 more falsehood you guys repeat. That is why “folks” don’t trust a damn word you guys say.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 16, 2010, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
@smartlillena
I don’t care your reasons but you seem to hate him as much as intelligent people.
Posted by: SpringerRider | May 16, 2010, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
@Glen (not smartlillena)
I don’t care your reasons but you seem to hate him as much as intelligent people.
Posted by: SpringerRider | May 16, 2010, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
@progressive mama,
Speaking of Australia.
Ian Plimmer did an exhaustive study of global warming using ice core data. He is a geologist. His brillant book shows how the entire global warming fiasco is a complete joke.
He has challenged Gore and several others to a debate but they refuse.
Posted by: SpringerRider | May 16, 2010, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Posted by: ncpg | May 16, 2010 10:30:18 PM
Except he didn’t, and I’m not a fan of Al Gore either.
What I’m a fan of is science, and biological diversity.
Check it out sometime: most denialists without a background in science mention Al Gore, almost in chant. Its bizarre. He’s not a scientist.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 16, 2010, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Speaking of Australia.
Ian Plimmer did an exhaustive study of global warming using ice core data. He is a geologist.
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Yes, I’ve read Heaven and Earth, and the long and pointed critiques of the book as well. For a quickie rundown see Tim Lambert’s “The science is missing from Ian Plimer’s “Heaven and Earth”‘ at the Deltoid blog.
Incidentally, he’s the director of three mining companies and he only seems willing to debate non-scientists, but not answer questions or criticisms.
The Guardian (UK): “Plimer has refused to answer a series of questions put by George Monbiot about specific claims he makes in the book, but our interview gave me the opportunity to put some of those – and others’ questions – to him.
I found him to be one of the most difficult and evasive interviewees I have spoken to in my career, frequently veering off on tangents rather than answering the question I had put.
Strangely, Plimer was only vaguely aware of the criticisms that have been levelled at Heaven and Earth and appeared to have little interest in dealing with them. He gave me the impression that engaging with his critics was beneath him. That seemed to me an odd attitude for a scientist to take…” (James Randerson)
(See also Tim Lambert’s post “Plimer exposed as a fraud” at Deltoid.)
Posted by: progressive mama | May 16, 2010, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
@progressive mama,
As a NASA engineer and researcher I can tell you that science is for sale.
You want a ‘result’ and have money to pay for that ‘result’ you can have it.
Your crony investigating crony case is most naive….no it is laughable.
Posted by: JustAnne | May 16, 2010, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Posted by: JustAnne | May 16, 2010 11:47:26 PM
As a NASA engineer, what did you think of Plimer’s book? Honestly? Are you claiming to be an engineer and to not understand the problems with it?
lol
Posted by: progressive mama | May 17, 2010, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Stick a fork in Specter. He’s done.
Posted by: SITruth | May 17, 2010, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Specter is the perfect example of a politician that cares less about the people. He is a self serving pig!
Posted by: don | May 17, 2010, 2:12 am 2:12 am
Time to retire all incumbents old and new and on both sides of the isle. These old confused professional politicians have forgotten who they work for therefore the BOSS is having you a pink slip this year. Go have some ice cream Specter and be sure to use your AARP membership card to get that senior discount, heck take Barry wirth you.
Posted by: Willy Brown | May 17, 2010, 5:24 am 5:24 am
Give it up…Spector’s political career is toast!!!
Posted by: Ghost Rider | May 17, 2010, 7:21 am 7:21 am
“The clouds of unknowing: There are lots of uncertainties in climate science. But that does not mean it is fundamentally wrong.”
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Posted by: progressive mama | May 16, 2010 7:33:15 PM
It also doesn’t mean that it is fundamentally right.
Listen ProMa, I know we don;t agree on much but as a blogger friend let me advise you to step back from the Man Made Global Warming (MMGW) billboard and take a hard look at the science.
There isn’t enough solid science to support MMGW.
All the stuff you hear in the media is quite possibly a scam.
JustAnne is right. In a way you can get the any result you want from science.
The international agencies are the most suspect, look to individual scientists without an agenda for the truth.
Posted by: Noz | May 17, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am
I’m thinkin that only dead people or immediate family members are going to vote for Specter.
How could anyone feel good about voting for that fool?
Posted by: Noz | May 17, 2010, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Posted by: Noz | May 17, 2010 11:04:30 AM
Here’s the thing, you can totally back off man made global warming theory, look at science AND national security AND public health and ecosystems and end up advocating for many of the same things.
Of course, you can use science and data to support predetermined positions. Have you read Plimer’s book and a few of the blanket denialist sites and followed the money? Plimer’s book is an opinion piece that happens to be written by a scientist.
A sensible person considers all the information and applies Pascal’s wager, imho, meaning, in this case, that if we take precautions to forestall possible damage caused by global warming (such as switching to alternative fuels, which we will have to do at some point anyway for a wide range of reasons including supply and national security), we stand to gain much and lose relatively little. If, on the other hand, we deny the existence of global warming and refuse to take precautions, we gain little and stand to lose a great deal.
As a blogger friend, I suggest looking at the big picture and thinking long range.
Skeptism is healthy, but being illogical, and/or putting your head in the sand because, perhaps, you think Al Gore is a bit much (as I do, too, btw) or you’re afraid of being inconvenienced isn’t imho. Not for the country, nor for future generations, not for public health, not for global leadership.
Posted by: progressive mama | May 17, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
ProMa, I don’t buy all this Man Made Global Warming Hogwash. I am a huge supporter of alternative energies. That new large storage battery they are working on with the 10x life span of what we currently have looks very promising. Dr. Grey doesn’t believe in MMGW and there some scientists in, I think it’s Norway or Sweden, which think it has more to do with the amount of clouds which they think has a correlation to how many cosmic rays hit the earth. Albedo is a factor and I’m sure the Sun’s output matters a great deal.
We will move to alternatives but we aren’t there yet.
We don’t have to treat MMGW as some sort of emergency though.
That is just political posturing to get the stupid Cap and Trap legislation through.
Posted by: Noz | May 17, 2010, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
We don’t have to treat MMGW as some sort of emergency though.
That is just political posturing to get the stupid Cap and Trap legislation through.
Posted by: Noz
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The propaganda’s gotten so fraudulent it was banned in England.
They just need to calm down and tell the truth.
Posted by: smartlillena | May 17, 2010, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Why would anyone want to read Tim Lambert, as people say his isn’t honest and skin crawling obsessive.
Posted by: riley | May 19, 2010, 9:09 am 9:09 am
I love ManBearPig! I think south park hit the nail on the head!
Posted by: Joseph Mas | May 19, 2010, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm