Should terror suspects lose citizenship?
ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf reports: When the attempted Christmas Day bomber was read his Miranda rights and put in the US judicial system, many lawmakers, mostly Republican, crowed that the Obama administration should have treated him as an enemy combatant and interrogated him longer. The argument has been more difficult to make with Faisal Shahzad, the suspected attempted Times Square bomber arrested this week just before fleeing to Dubai. Shahzad is an American citizen. And he’s got rights that Christmas Day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian, does not. Shahzad was read his Miranda rights, but has continued to cooperate with authorities, according to Attorney General Eric Holder. “I want to stop reading these guys they're Miranda rights,” said Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-South Carolina, at a Congressional hearing Wednesday. “I don't think it's smart for us to say that the homeland is not part of the battlefield. You get to America, you get a much better deal. You get rewarded,” said Graham. He said suspected terrorists apprehended by US forces abroad are treated much differently. “If you can be caught in Pakistan and intelligence gathering can happen with a intelligence agency without your Miranda warnings being given, why should you get a better deal when you get here?” he asked. “Even if you're an American citizen helping the enemy, you should be viewed as a potential military threat, not some guy who tried to commit a crime in Times Square.” Independent Joe Lieberman is expected to introduce legislation next week that would strip US Citizenship from any of the 45 terror groups recognized by the US State Department. Some Democrats said today that Lieberman’s citizenship argument was beside the point. “The punishment for terrorists isn't stripping them of their citizenship its life imprisonment or the death penalty. We should be focused on preemption,” said Sen. Jack Reed, D-RI, at a separate press conference. And the Majority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid, said Lieberman’s proposal would present some implementation problems. “When would someone try to accomplish this, after a conviction or after an arrest? That's something we have to be very careful how we handle it,” said Reid.
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Posted by: catman | May 5, 2010, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Once again we are being treated to another rendition of the Washington DC two step. Whenever the headlines scream, Washington polictians fall all over themselves proposing hasty, ill-thoughtout legislation which only chips away at the liberties of ordinary citizens. We elect these people to be rational, reasoned and deliberate in thier legislation. Instead we get Kendergartens Galore.
Posted by: j011254 | May 5, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
The law has been on the books since the 40′s, it just needs to be updated…why are the dems having such a hissy…afraid they might lose part of their voting block?
Posted by: samhiguchi | May 5, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
No.
Keep the citizenship then charge him with treason according to United States Code 18 U.S.C. § 2381 “whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason…”
Realistically there is no reason to change the status of a perpetrator because they commit an act of terrorism. If they are an American Citizen treat them and charge then as such in a court of law. If they are not then treat them and charge them in military courts under the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
Simple.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | May 5, 2010, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
NO! Suspects are suspects, NOT those proven guilty! We still have a legal system, and you have to be proven guilty in a court of law.
Bush incarcerates those who object to his agenda, Obama does the same… Where will this insanity end!
Posted by: CBA | May 5, 2010, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
yes yes yes.
Posted by: Lucy Johnson | May 5, 2010, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Firstly we should stop giving citizenship so easily to so many aliens. Secondly, if you are a US citizen you should go to trial (for your crime, for loss of citizenship, or for treason, for sedition, etc.) We shouldn’t just use some list that a bureaucrat madeup and say if you support them you are a terrorist. Most of the groups on that list are agitating for actions in OTHER COUNTRIES; not even against the USA. You should be charged if you act against the USA- not if you support an insurrection in Burma, a coup in Saudi Arabia, republicanism in N.Ireland, or anti-apartheid in South Africa or whatever….
Posted by: Ed | May 5, 2010, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Whose going to decide?
A FOX news panel?
Posted by: Doug | May 5, 2010, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
The key word here is SUSPECT.
Those who support revoking the citizenship of a SUSPECT for ANYTHING should have THEIR citizenship revoked.
Convicted terrorists citizenship revoked?
YES
Posted by: Tom | May 5, 2010, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
One yahoo lights his shoes on fire while seated in the cabin, another, also seated in the cabin, detonates a device that only manages to blow his willy off; and, a third, uses 80 pounds of non-explosive fertilizer to smoke up his SUV. The media goes nuts with wall to wall coverage and analysis that the world is ending. Which is exactly the result intended. Yes, these are attempts to be taken seriously. But, the bad guys figured out that you didn’t really need to hurt people to terrorize the U.S. The MSM will do that for them.
Posted by: B.Bear | May 5, 2010, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
At the risk of sounding like a law professor, it may be worth pointing out that the proposal would be clearly unconstitutional under current law. In Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment forbids stripping U.S. citizenship. This ruling was reinforced by a later decision, Vance v. Terrazas, 444 U.S. 252 (1980).
Posted by: Dan Farber | May 5, 2010, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
If I accuse you of something, are you guilty? Or do I actually have to prove it?
Posted by: CBA | May 6, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
CBA, I regret to inform you of the passage of The Patriot Act. No, they do NOT have to prove it…..or charge you,,,,,or try you.
They can now LEGALY dissapear you.
Posted by: Tom | May 6, 2010, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm