Steele not comfortable with Rand Paul’s views on civil rights

Well, Rand Paul did say “accidents happen.”
That’s perhaps the best example of Paul’s attitude about these matters, I don’t know what is.
Dan

Rand Paul’s “accidents happen” sound Don Rumsfeld.
And his views about the Civil Rights Act matter because it means he’d vote against all legislation which would have the government ensure rights. He would have voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Act, the first law President Obama signed.

Which “truth” does Rand Paul tell? He’s flip-flopped like crazy in his comments about the Civil Rights Act. He backed away from what he’s said for years about it — that private discrimination should be perfectly legal — when he got heat for them. And he’s too embarrassed about the discrepancies to go on Meet the Press to defend his own ideas.
This is a guy who opposes regulation of business. Coal disasters, oil spills, they are just “accidents.” Well, what about negligence? These folks did not take care to prevent the accidents and the businesses fought against safety controls. When people die and lose their livelihoods because of these corporate decisions, Rand Paul treats that lightly.

Steele is not comfortable with anything he did not say.

“Well, Rand Paul did say ‘accidents happen.’”
What was he referring to? His candidacy?

Not that I necessarily agree with Rand Paul in the manner he said what he said, but this much is true, many American’s are not comfortable with what minorities and the Administration say and do about Caucasians civil rights in America. Not much is made out of that by the media or yammering politicians that usually speak out of both sides of their mouths.

YOU MAKE THE CALL!………….Brian Darling, director of Senate relations for the conservative Heritage Foundation, said (Rand)Paul made a “political mistake” by talking about the Civil Rights Act with (Rachel) Maddow (MSNBC) but that his position is “perfectly defensible.” ……..”He’s saying that private business should be able to make decisions on their own without the federal government telling them what they cannot do, and he believes that the Constitution mandates that the federal government has very limited powers, and he doesn’t believe that the government should be telling private business what it should do,” Darling said. ………IN OTHER WORDS MR. DARLING IS SAYING THAT A BLACK OWNED PRIVATE BUSINESS NAMED “JOHN DOE CORPORATION” THAT MANUFACTURES NUCLEAR WAR HEADS HAS THE RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AND SELL ONLY TO MUSLIM (IRAN) AND ASIAN (NORTH KOREA) COUNTRIES? HE DID SAY AND I QUOTE,…….” private business should be able to make decisions on their own without the federal government telling them what they cannot do, and he believes that the Constitution mandates that the federal government has very limited powers, and he doesn’t believe that the government should be telling private business what it should do,” DID MR. BRAIN DARLING AND MR. RAND PAUL MAKE THE RIGHT CALL?

How did Rand Paul ‘flip flop like crazy,’ you moron? He held the same position on civil rights for a year, since he started his campaign. And it is the same view Reagan & Goldwater had as well. The government has no right to intrude into the private sector.

Typical; another Republican protecting polluters. If only we could plug the leak with their B.S.

As someone from Kentucky, I have taken it upon myself do to a little more research.
as far as the BP spill goes, BP said they would clean it up, and pay for all costs, even those exceeding the liability Cap within the first week of the accident. (this was BP accepting responsibility for the accident which was caused by the actual operators of the rig not them (the new leasers), infact 24 hours before the blow out BP reps chewed out the operators hardcore about laps in the rigs safety records.)
Rand is saying “LOOK BP said it would take full responsibility of the accident, and pay for everything out side of the cap! We dont need the administration yelling and screaming at them for being responsible.”
the Administration is treating them like Toyota who is dodging the complaints about their cars, and trying to discredit experts, while BP has opened the check book and said “how can we help?” it makes no sense for us to ttreat BP the same as Toyota in this matter.
as for the civil rights Act comment hes sstating that the power of free market would have resolved some of the issues at hand and didnt need the gov’t coming in and telling buisnesses how they should opperate. he felt it was outside of the bounds of the federal gov’t to dictate how private business operate in that manner. I was doing some research and the Restraunt that this whole Act was based around actually started servering African americans at the counter 6 months after someone complained (the complaint is what started the act.) Now 6 months does seem like a long time, yet it took the Civil rights act another 2 years to finally become law. seems to me the free market was a little faster in fixing the wrong.
Not to put words in Dr. Pauls mouth but I believe what he was trying to say is the Civil rights act should have just abolished the Jim Crow laws and ban segregation in public insitutions (ones funded by the federal gov’t or individual states) thats it. let the free market fix the rest of the issues. After all public opinion is a powerful thing. (see Civil rights bus boycotts)
Yet there are still some forms of segregation in place, the Black Congressional Caucus, for example which consists of federal employees, who conduct federal business, and bar anyone who is not an african american from joining in their discussions.
(now if they would have created a private club that said that, and had the same rules that opperated after hours, and in a pirvately owned building that would be okay.)
P.s. dont call me a racist :P for I am not one, and it just belittles your arguement. these posts are just based off of what I found from differnt quotes and clarifications from paul, and are not the personal views of this poster.

Michael Steele classic show of a man ruled by strings.
What a puppet, he is not focused on the truth and what’s right. Only the entertainment of making a comment for his party. As a Canadian watching the American political system i would say the republican party thinks not for the basic interest for it’s citizens, but for it’s own party goals.

Rand Paul’s mistake was agreeing to an “interview” with the Socialist propaganda machine. They are masters of distortion and context dropping. The only thing they do thats remotely related to reporting is that they publish words.
I’d suggest politely declining such “interviews” in the future.

You’ve gotta give the guy credit for actually sticking to his word. By the way, for all of you out there who believe what the news tells you about libertarianism, libertarianism is not a complete abandonment of personal responsibility. In fact, it’s the opposite; in the case of BP, (according to libertarian principles) they are fully responsible for their mess and can be sued for any damages that result.

Dave from KY… You will find that BP is not the stand-up company you think they are. Please realize that BP needs to try to look good for PR reasons. They can immediately throw millions at the problem. And that will pale in comparison to the 6 Billion in profits last QUARTER, or the actual total cost of this disaster.
They have significantly downplayed the volume coming out of the well so that the total appears to be far less than it actually is.
Why are they pouring significant amounts of TOXIC dispersants on the spill? Wouldn’t it be easier to collect the oil if it were thick and floating? Yes, but then it’s also easier to see and film and document. The dispersants put it were it can’t be seen. It’s not like it magically disappears or turns into water. BP is trying to get away with whatever they can. Sorry to burst your bubble.

This generation has a sacred duty to pass liberty unto posterity. The people can subject themselves to DC coercion if there is truly a consensus. If the Article 5 requirements can be met, congress can make any law by constitutional amendment.
But because amending the Constitution is so difficult, extremists with unconstitutional agendas loophole the rule of law with sophistry. They have accomplished usurpation (unauthorized coercive legislation) by distorting and redefining words, Hegelian dialectics and rationalization.
Our liberty has become subject to “every invention in the minds of men;” and dependent on what the meaning of “is, is.” The effect is tyranny of the majority not consensus and disrespect of the rule of law. Either we are free and enjoy liberty or we are not; either the Constitution provides for a limited “enumerated” delegation of powers or it does not.
The rule of law has been warped by trickery and Congress has assumed unto itself all powers to coerce Americans into any behavior or prohibition without respecting Article 5. By interpreting the Commerce Clause in such a liberal manner (everything? is commerce) it has created an omnipotent tyranny. Paul just speaks the truth.

I agree with Mercurus. I think Paul should avoid any interviews and just stick to tea party rallies where he can be hailed as a hero.

Re Rand Paul -
a. Civil Rights – He clearly confirmed he is not a racist. What we are hearing is media spin. Listen to what he said (keep in mind after a long hard campaign).
His philosophical statement was anti-gov’t not pro-racism. He should be asked about whether gov’t should ban gay relationships, etc. – He’ll likely say none of gov’t business. It my understanding he doesn’t believe in gov’t intrusion in our private decisions.
What would happen if that Section of Civil Rights act was not in place today – Private citizens would enforce better than any gov’t. Imagine what would happen if a fast food chain was accused of turning someone away based on race?
People need to understand what a libertarian stands for to understand where Dr Paul is coming from. Also, read Atlas Shrugged (or watch the movie when it comes out in 2012).
Re British Petro – He said it thought “unamerican” for the gov’t to stomp its boot on BP’s neck. Again, he was not defending BP, but rather concerned about gov’t being abusive.
Was it BP’s fault? Was it an accident? Was BP’s negligent? Were they grossly negligent? Was it an intentional act?
These are all questions that need to be asked before the gov’t stomps on a private entity.
Remember this administration recently made a push for offshore drilling. And accidents happen. BP should be on the hook depending on their culpability. If culpable, punishment can take into account their deep pockets.
Right now that SOLE FOCUS should be stopping the leak. Sorry, a commission won’t help that and is a pathetic diversion.
Curious, was he named Rand after Ayn Rand?

I agree with Rand Paul regarding businesses determining who enters their private property. Let them fail due to market forces. Remember going into a bar in South Carolina in the seventies with a black shipmate and more than a dozen of we white shipmates. The bar owner said he would serve us but not him. All of we sailors decided if our black shipmate could not be served we would all leave. We never spent a dime in this place and never returned to it. This is an example of market forces at work. The attitude toward this type of behavior by business owners is stronger than ever. The government should not be taking over private property by decree.

no media spin….he can say what he wants but his principles are rooted in faciliating bigotry. He can call himself a comedian but if what he says is not funny, then he is not a comedian. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS

I’ve always thought Ru Paul was many things but never a racist.

Let me see if I got this:
1. It’s un-American to criticize British Petroleum for a catastrophic disaster that killed 11 people, has wrecked Gulf Coast businesses from fishing to tourism, and despoiled the American environment;
2. We need to get government off our backs;
3. The Federal Government “should have stepped in immediately” and taken over from BP.
Something is terribly wrong–mentally–with RNC and Tea Party leaders if they think these views are compatible and good for our country.

So now the “Republicans” are showing their true colors and Rand Paul, an inexperienced politician, is saying things that they believe in.
If we follow the Republicans, we go back to segregation era legal framework where “private” discrimination is OK. One can say that it is not right to discriminate, but defend the bigot’s right to exclude blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, and women from private from employment and opportunity because private discrimination is protected.
The Republicans indeed seem hell bent in destroying America.

the big picture, actually I have a masters degree in Electrical Engineering and I am currently working on my Ph.D in Bio Engineering, So I am very much aware of the situation that they are facing in the gulf. I to disagree with the use of the toxic chemicals they are using to break up the oil, especially when there are huge quanities of microbes currently breeding, replicating and consuming large quanities of the oil that are now spilling into the gulf. I would much rather see us focus on containing the spill, reclaiming what we can and premoting microbial groth in the areas to help break down the oil further. after all the microbes will be a key food source soon to the animal and plant populations that are currently being impacted by the spill. I will not condem a company for making a profit, especially a large company that makes a large profit. It is the american way, BP could have blaimed everything on the company that operated the rig, but instead they said “hey its our oil we will help clean it up.” thats the whole issue at hand.
and as far as documentation goes, I’m pretty sure large globs of oil washing up on beaches is pretty damning evidence, as is the sea life that shows up as well.
Frankly I’m glad BP makes billions a year, why? if this would have happened to a small single rig company theres no way they could afford to pay for the clean up! those billions a year in profit, are also there for situations like this. It probably will cost BP a few billion, but thankfully because they are so large they can weather it.
here locally I have witnessed first hand how Gov’t regulation can cause more harm than good. Our local utility out here (eOn/LGE) just recently had to be sold off to a large company because over the past 3 years we were hit with an Ice storm and a windstorm that caused hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to the utility’s infastructurt, and when the utility tried to rase rates (we pay the lowest rates in the country currently) the Gov’t shot it down, even though there was plenty of jusification for it! accusing the utility of targeting poor people etc. keep in mind that the Utility received almost 0 in terms of the federal disaster funds.
One more thing, so what if they are cleaning up everything due to public opinion? I can think of no better moral compass.

i find it interesting that ‘tea partiers’ and their republican friends constantly decry the federal government until things go wrong and then they raise the roof to put all the blame on the very same government they refuse to support.
seems to me they’re just a bunch of immature crybabies stuck in junior high.

Thank God for Rand Paul and the Tea Party, everytime one of them opens their mouths it shows what out of touch fringers they are.

I played bioshock. I know that if you let libertarians run your underwater secret city that eventually everyone will start
manipulating their own genetic code until they become zombies and suck the
life out of small children (with no governmental oversight). Be afraid.

RE: the BP spill. One question most supporters of Obama never ask is why BP is drilling so far out in the Gulf when richer, cheaper reserves are within easy reach at shallower depths and on land.
Answer: government regulations prevent it.
History (for those who bother to study it) illustrates plainly that arbitrary government regulation leads to riskier behavior and disasters of greater magnitude. It’s certain that accidents happen regardless of government regulation and that BP (or any oil company drilling in the Gulf) would have eventually had an accident similar to this, but the location and resulting difficulty in stopping the leak is a direct result of the government regulation that are driving oil companies into deeper waters. The principle behind government regulations is envy and extortion, not the common good.
What do we learn from this? Government regulation in principle forces individuals and companies into riskier and riskier behavior just to survive. The financial meltdown of 2008 (banks and lenders marketing CDO’s containing mortgages they were forced to write) and the BP spill (oil producers forced further offshore to “protect” the environment) are only two examples of this.
Mercurus

Seems that the republican party has always been the champion of one issue politics. But now Steel is asking everyone not to pay too much attention to an issue that he is against. There is no example in history where uncontrolled power of the wealthy has not been shown to be cruel and unjust to the common man.

if Exxon wont pay. why should BP?

It isn’t the tea party/repub ideologies that make my blood boil, it is the CONSTANT hypocrisy. Government should stay out of our lives, except to tell a woman what to do with her body, to limit the rights of gays, to cap liability to the oil companies and medical malpractice suits…give me a break. How can anyone take them seriously when all they ever do is contradict themselves?
If you are a republican supporter know this, your candidate and or representative is interested in one thing and one thing only, protecting the interest of the lobbying group that helped him get nominated. THAT. IS. IT. They don’t care about you or your “christian” values. Wake up. You are being played like a bunch a fools.

Congratulations to Rand Paul for baiting the progressive republicans like Steele to show their true face….. This makes it easier for true freedom and liberty lovers to infiltrate the corrupt RNC.

Rand Paul is critical of the Obama administration in how they attempt to demonize and bully private businesses. He is not defending BP but neither he is beating them up like Obama seems to enjoy doing.
The civil rights thing is a bit nuts. There are lots of all black institutions. Should they be forced into having white leaders because they are discriminating? The law should be color blind. Individuals should have the right and freedom to associate with whomever they choose without fear of a lawsuit. There are lots of sides to this issue that all have some valid points that cannot be expressed well in sound bites. Now is not the time to revisit the issue when we have a government utilizing a chinese credit card to fund its pet legislation.

Over 300 years it has been proven that without laws to force people to do right man simply will not do it. For people to be so naïve, like Rand Paul, and think we simply have to simply “trust” them to do right and if they don’t want to it’s their right is childish thinking. Laws are created to protect against injustices. Man and human nature has proven that unless forced to treat his fellowman fair and right man will not do it! Instead man will do anything and everything for his own selfish profit—Can you say Wall Street?

For all of you that claim the “Tea Party” are a bunch of racists because they don’t like Obama, don’t seem to realize that the movement started before Obama was elected. Your arguments are hollow and you use them on anyone you disagree with.
Many of you also seem quite ignorant of what a limited government is. The federal government is legally only granted a few very specific powers. The states on the other hand have broad powers. At this point in time, the federal government has become a law unto themselves. I am thankful folks like Rand Paul are running and have a chance to help bring the federal beast under control.

Steele’s rhetoric makes me sick! He states that a respectable U.S. Senator disgraced himself with inference of having served in Vietnam. Imagine what Steel would be saying if a Democrat had been nominated, who had opposed the bill of rights, had called BP’s carelessness and recklessness an act of God.
Hurricane Katrina was an act of God. Rand, Steel, and BP are an act of that “other” fellow.
Steele calls 40% against 60% a significant percent! Only in the ridiculously, hated, Senate filibustering Steele! Hawaii will correct that boo-flaw come November with a SIGNIFICANT 60%+ GOP spanking!
Steele says Obama should be doing more in the Gulf yet when the GOP had a real opportunity to do something like raise the liability for a HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of disaster U.S. coastline from 75-million to 10-BILLION. Uh-oh, that significant 40% GOP in the Senate said “sorry, it’s filibuster time”. Yet the GOP resist and chastise Obama for spending even a few million for the unemployed without funding!
Steel was doing so much time double-talking, that he forgot which end to use on TV; that’s why it stinks so bad!

Dave, I agree with many points. I’m thankful that BP has the profits and resources to work on this spill. As someone with a BSME and my own business I have nothing against businesses trying to make a profit. I just think many businesses would try to get away with polluting or ignoring safety regulations if given the chance. And when an “accidents” happen, those companies will do everything possible to minimize what they pay so as to preserve profits. It has little with trying to do the right thing.
And although your studies in Bio Eng outweigh anything in my own background on the subject, I find it hard to believe that there are sufficient microbes to address the volume of oil coming out of the ground. Not for a long, long time.

“It was the federal government’s policies pushed by the Democrats to encourage “affordable” housing”
It’s easy myth to foster in right-wing circles since Democrats do categorically support affordable housing, but it was definitely Republican policies that led to the financial crisis. The lax attitude at the Fed, deregulation by the SEC all occurred on Bush’s watch.

It’s true that the policies were adopted during the Bush administration but it was policies pushed by the Democrats over the objection of most Republicans. Bush I won’t defend on this issue. It was very much the housing policies pushed by Dodd and Rangal. The Federal Reserve also played a part with artifically low interest rates. I hope the movement to audit the FED gains traction. The deregulation at the SEC I don’t see any real link though.

Well I for one am not ignorant about limited government. Many GOP politicians are quite happy to go along with a overintrusive government as they evidenced under GW Bush. But the Democrats are much worse, especially on fiscal issues
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Actually, you contradict your first sentence here with your third, lol, as you show no grasp of the facts, numbers, data.
And your understanding of economic issues and what happened during the Bush admin and how widespread the blame is indicates you need to do a lot more research.
I suggest people go to the data. Read widely on the economic crisis. Anyone that blames one thing or one group is completely wrong.

The United States is looking a lot more like England. Like what the colonists fought against, England has a Queen, a Monarchy; the most wealthy family in the country, RULES the country. They collect a percent of everything created by the population.
Why? Because they are the wealth, the family, the … Royalty. That is not big government, it is wealth rules all! Just like our GOP and our wealthy businessmen are jockeying for position today, to take over.
It is not big government that endangers us, it is true Capitalism in a richer-poorer chasm society. U.S. CEOs make 400-times their workforce average, our doctors make twice what doctors in any other country make. Yet, the wealthy are content to leave the uninsured, uninsured, sick. Wealth will leave the unemployed out on the streets. But they will disallow the government to collect what is owed from BP eh?
Those who think we need no government, need to let business run itself, and Capitalism (free markets?) rule, are asking the wealthy to take over and to run our lives just like Henry the Eighth, Queen Elizabeth; or even Saddam; at their beck and call.
It was the LACK of government policy, sneaked through Congress but openly endorsed and admitted later as error, by Clinton. Again, the LACK OF POLICY, that resulted in EXPLOITATION by big business and our current economic crisis.

It was painful watching Steele the Shill writhing around this civil rights question–talk about cognitive dissonance–Republicans always reveal that they believe anything has a price.

“banks in the country several of whom actually collapsed dragging the economy down with them, not Freddie or Fannie.”
Maybe you don’t know how Fannie and Freddie work. They make the rules/guidelines under which lenders/banks must operate when making loans if they want Fannie and Freddie to buy their loans. If those guidelines aren’t followed lenders/banks wouldn’t be able to sell their loans to Fannie and Freddie. Then the lenders/banks wouldn’t have been able to go out and make more loans and make a profit on all of them. But Fannie and Freddie’s loose rules caused many of the bad loans/paper that were bundled together and sold. That’s how it works/worked. And you are right that banks are/were greedy as were gullible greedy buyers who were buying a lot more house than they could afford.

“But Fannie and Freddie’s loose rules caused many of the bad loans/paper that were bundled together and sold”
As far as I am aware of nobody has been able to definitely demonstrate that the guidelines set for Freddie and Fannie by the OFHEO for conforming loans was anywhere near as “loose” as all the standards [or lack thereof] for the crazy mortgages being made and sold as securities with ridiculously high ratings from credit rating agencies in the private sector. The significant factor in the troubles at the GSEs was the overall sudden drop in housing prices after the bubble burst.

IN KENTUCKY THERE ARE MANY, MANY PLACES THAT DO NOT BLINDLY WELCOME OR SERVE CITIZENS EQUALLY. RAND PAUL IS AN ELITIST INTELLECTUAL WHOOSE THINKING RESEMBLES THE RACIAL INEQUITY THAT EXISTS IN MANY HEARTS IN KENTUCKY.
Hearing the national pundits talk about this is laughable. All Politics is Local.
Many registered Democratic Party Members here are only that because they don’t yet know that the ‘Dixiecrats’ all turned Republican in the 40′s.
You must investigate the demographics here, and analyze the anecdotes of Kentucky Citizens to understand what is happening. Ask the Louisville Journal for help.

Tee….you are bright on the money.

TEE…sorry for the misspell word.Many black Americans have seem to have forgotten the power of BOYCOTT. Blacks spend way more money than any other nationality when it comes to buying.

I am Cuban by naturalization and I like to return my citizenship back because I hate what I saw everyday here in this stupid country where the ambition of some people it is making it believe that they are gods, like the people of the old generation living in the Roman Empire 2000 years ago. Silly, Kentucky it is practicing segregation since long time ago and they do not stop until today. Look how many people minority they are living in Brownsboro Rd. in Luisville, Ky. The Afro American community they are under segregation in USA. The only way to stop that it is with a civil war, because we can not find any way for pecific in this sense.

Yep the GOP is ready to throw anyone with a spine under the bus.
This is why the American people need to choose the candidates to be voted upon.
The DNC and GOP are only comfortable with the crony insiders that sell the American people out.
I’m for ‘Civil Rights’ in principle but that doesn’t mean I believe the laws passed embody complete common sense or assures ‘Equal Rights’. ‘Civil and Human Rights’ is achievable without violating ‘Equal Rights’.
There should never be exemptions or privileges granted to one group that infringes upon others.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WHICH FOR YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT.