White House Says Rand Paul’s Civil Rights Talk ‘Shouldn’t Have a Place in Our Political Dialogue in 2010′

I can smell the lib/dem desperation.

Should Israeli’s have the right to keep Palestinians from entering their establishments? I mean, come on, they have rights too? Not everything is a matter of black and white…
Isn’t Obama supposed to be fixing the economy or something? Oh and those wars with the threatened new war with IRAN??? Is he having a slow day?

Isn’t Obama supposed to be fixing the economy or something? Oh and those wars with the threatened new war with IRAN??? Is he having a slow day?
CBA | May 20, 2010 3:59:21 PM
I’m sorry, where did Obama say anything about this? All I see here is his press secretary spending perhaps 30 seconds responding to a direct question. Do you have a quote of Obama addressing this issue?

I can smell the lib/dem desperation.
Crispy | May 20, 2010 3:54:23 PM
What, because they expected to win Bunning’s old seat is almost-as-red-as-Utah Kentucky? The Democrats don’t really have a dog in that fight.

The Tea Party is sure is “birthing” a “nation” of stars down in Kentucky.

Rand will probably not live this down. Welcome to the world of politics.
Huh | May 20, 2010 4:05:55 PM
Rand would have to be caught on camera naked in bed with a dead male hooker to not win by double digits in November. He’s running in Kentucky and, short of a major Perot-caliber meltdown, is a shoe-in.

Sadly, Politico needed to practice stenography to figure out this story and could not point out what Rand Paul has been talking about for a longtime without it being dictated to them.
Welcome to the real world of scrutiny that comes with running for office, Rand Paul…
Gotta laugh at the commenters that will blame Maddow for pointing out what Paul actually means when he says what he says. Yes… She unleashed one of those evil liberal facts that that leaves the right wing hypnotized and talking in gibberish.
And you are welcome (in advance) for that little bit of justified criticism, Politico.

once all of Paul’s views are known he will be toast. He also wants to abolish the “American’s With Disabilities Act,” as well as “The Clean Air Act.”
he has supported total drug legalization in the past, opposes the war in Afghanistan, and wants to abolish the minimum wage.

Do Chrostians realize that the ideals of Ayn Rand are embraced by today’s right wingers? Do you realize that the views of Rand are about as far away from those of Jesus Christ as one can get?
“The concept of God is degrading to a man.” Ayn Rand.

The problem with Conservative/Libertarian philosophy is that it is in direct odds with itself.
For all of the talk of “limited gv’t” and “personal freedoms” they sure do have a hard time with Gay rights, woman’s rights, religious rights and minority rights.
So they really want the gv’t to keep their hands off unless of course your philosophy is at odds with their philosophy.
From where I come from that’s called hypocrisy. But good luck with that.

Let the swift-boating begin!

I still support Rand Paul — and by the way, I fully support the Civil Rights Act. He does bring a lot of different perspective to many issues – and aside from this particular one, his perspective will be a beneficial thing for his future senate colleagues to hear and will result in better thought out laws.
Anyway, at this point, I’d vote for Mickey Mouse before I’d consider giving the radical Obama another senator.

I hope the DNC blows a lot of cash trying to take down Paul.
Not gonna work.
We’ve seen the alternative, and Paul looks good.

“I abhor racism”
LOL, yeah right.

Transcript from the Maddow show
MADDOW: Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don’t serve black people?
PAUL: Yes. I’m not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race.”
Hmmm I wonder if there are any minorities at Paul’s golf club.

“Where I come from we call that “cleaning house”.”
Nothing like a little purging of those in disagreement so as not to upset the flock.

“When will right wingers get the fact that freedom of speech does not equal freedom from criticism.”
This coming from someone who supports the thin-skinned Obama administration which has gone to great lengths to quash dissent and criticism. LOL!

Ok so Paul can have his beliefs that a private business could discriminate based on gender, race, sexual orientation etc..My counter to that would be as a tax payer my money as a person who could be discriminated against or turned away from a business only because I am a woman should NOT pay for the businesses city sewer system. I shouldnt have to pay for the cops or firemen who would be called upon by this business being that they are city or state employees. I shouldnt have to pay for the maintenance of the streets leading up to your business. You shouldnt receive any federal tax benefits then either. So these places who choose to only let certain people in should have to pay for their own services since their tax dollars that would support them are paid by those minorities they would like to keep out. You cant have your cake and eat it to. I love how libertarians like to pick and choose what their government can do for them. Its all or nothing Paul, thats how it works.

Seems to me like WH is saying, “There is no place for this discussion” (So stop asking him about it!)
I don’t think WH is criticizing Paul, it is criticizing the media.
Rand Paul isn’t a racist, but he is clearly ignorant and lacks empathy for those who have been discriminated against. His discussion with Rachel Maddow points more to his failure as a main-stream politician, than to racism.
He knows it is wrong to discriminate, but he doesn’t understand why. He equates it to gun-ownership, suggesting that if you take away a business-owners right to discriminate against blacks, you also take away their right to discriminate against gun-owners. But that analogy is what betrays his cognitive dissonance.
In his mind, and the mind of many TPers, there is no legitimacy to federal government intervention in the affairs of businesses. They are just unwilling to see that without it, the worst, most prejudiced, greedy, and negligent businesses wreak havoc on our society and environment.

Jake Tapper you should be ashamed! Paul never said “yes” to the question as you have quoted him as saying. It was just a grunt of some some sort and you misrepresented it! Go to 8:05 of the video and see for yourself.
I tried to post this comment twice before and it got deleted each time. ABC doesn’t like people calling them out on their lies.

Yikes! I can’t believe Rand Paul thinks a private business should be able to discriminate. I had no idea that libertarians carry their mania with small government that far. It’s like they haven’t studied history, to know how bad things were, back in the bad old days of ‘small government’. It wasn’t just discrimination but terrible worker conditions and hours, women not being allowed to own property, etc.
I honestly don’t see how you can have a civilized society in a country of 300 million people without a lot of government regulation and oversight.

Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela is a model of rampant government regulation and oversight, with nationalization of major industries taking place about every week. What with crippling poverty . . .
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“The household poverty rate was reduced by nearly . . . 11.4 percent, from 42.8 percent in the first half of 1999 (when President Chavez took office) to 37.9 percent in the second half of 2005.
“The reduction in poverty noted above, since 1999, measures only cash income. This, however, does not really capture the changes in the living standards of the poor in Venezuela, since there have been major changes in non-cash benefits and services in the last few years – for example health care is now provided to an estimated 54 percent of the population.”
2006
CEPR

Give me a break. It’s fine to tar & feather Paul as a racist just don’t call him and his daddy fools?

It is most unfortunate that we have a media organ that rushes to the lowest common denominator, in this case, race to attempt to derail the candidacy of an honest man in his attempts to reach the US Senate. Dragging up the Civil Rights Act – legislation passed over 40 years ago – and attempting to use it as an “issue” is remarkable. More remarkable, still are the stated “opinions” of some of the comments to this article…the American people have truly become rather incapable of forming opinions lest they be given to them to think by an intellectually bankrupt and corrupt institution such as the media generally. The level of ignorance about their own Constitution is stunning. I believe a careful review of what the man is talking about – the commerce clause, among others – tells you what he is actually referring to. Godspeed Rand Paul and the good people of Kentucky. RM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The general public is simply too stupid to understand the principles of liberty. The mainstream media formulates the thoughts for the ignorant masses because they work for the elite and corporations that control and use our federal government for their ill gotten gains. A significant portion of the dumbed down public will continue to rely on the msm for their information and will continue to vote for fake democrats and fake republicans who serve the elite; the fascism will continue to grow with establishment politicians and the msm will feed on the public’s ignorance to make sure establishment politicians are the false choice. Paul was attempting to have a principled, intellectual discussion and Maddow was unwilling. Far worse, this “victory” by Paul was really no victory at all because a significant portion of the population does not have the ability to have a principled and intellectual discussion. The most sickening and evil aspect of it all is the general public’s continued love for its masters who not only hate them for their ignorance, but take advantage of it.

Dr. Rand Paul clearly understands that our sacred Constitution truly guarantees freedom of political-speech… Dr. Paul believes that federal mandates that override individual business decisions is counter-productive, at best… Let the marketplace reward or punish business-decisions, regardless of what some politicians, and/or bureaucrats happen to say…

Racisim is an issue because people make it an issue. When the fed has guidlines regarding racisim tied up in “laws” then it will never go away… We cant be non racist by being active in passing laws that are in themselves “racist & discriminating”… If we just stop making it an issue, it wont be an issue… How hard is this to understand?!?!… GO RAND PAUL!!

The act of being able to discriminate is a freedom and your individual, unalienable right. If you so choose. If you do not have that freedom, what can be next, laws against discriminating “thoughts” or pre-discrimination? Foregoing discrimination starts and ends with parents and what their children are taught as their life begins. We all must remember, humans are fallible and no one is perfect. Unfortunately there will never be this Utopian society free of discrimination. That is until, Jesus Christ changes that. But until then, We must remember we are not perfect.

This is reminiscent of the 2000 Pat Buchanan campaign, where they called him a “bigot” a “racist” and an “anti-semite,” for writing books chronicling historical facts.
One wonders where we would be now if the MSM had not misrepresented Mister Buchanan and people were awake then, and he had won the election.
Pat Buchanan is as much of a racist as Rand Paul: Not at all.

If businesses today were allowed to discriminate they would find themselves with very little business.
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I don’t miss the point at all. You say “today” as in post-civil rights act, America. Note I specifically said I kinda like Rand Paul, and that he’s naive. I’m married to a libertarian. Philosophically I’m a leftist libertarian– I find Noam Chomsky very compelling. Its quite possible I understand much of the rhetoric and ideology better than you do as I read a handful of libertarian blogs on a daily basis– but then I apply the esoteric principles and the ideology to reality and consider its practicality under current circumstances.
It was a gotcha question– and he walked into it. And there are reasons he’s sprinting away from them– quickly, quickly.
They’re compelling ideas, but impractical and naive.
I agree with Bruce Bartlett:
” As we know from history, the free market did not lead to a breakdown of segregation. Indeed, it got much worse, not just because it was enforced by law but because it was mandated by self-reinforcing societal pressure. Any store owner in the South who chose to serve blacks would certainly have lost far more business among whites than he gained. There is no reason to believe that this system wouldn’t have perpetuated itself absent outside pressure for change.
In short, the libertarian philosophy of Rand Paul and the Supreme Court of the 1880s and 1890s gave us almost 100 years of segregation, white supremacy, lynchings, chain gangs, the KKK, and discrimination of African Americans for no other reason except their skin color. The gains made by the former slaves in the years after the Civil War were completely reversed once the Supreme Court effectively prevented the federal government from protecting them. Thus we have a perfect test of the libertarian philosophy and an indisputable conclusion: it didn’t work. Freedom did not lead to a decline in racism; it only got worse.”
True, yes?

The level of ignorance about their own Constitution is stunning.”
I agree. Civics knowledge is sorely lacking in this country.
Unfortunately that ignorance is far exceeded by the right wing whose Constitutional knowledge stems mostly from what the right wing talking heads tell them it is.
See the right wing moron who argued that Puerto Rico should not be eligible for statehood because its a separate country.

It’s a private businesses right to be racist if they want to be. They won’t get much business, but it is their right.
It’s a private business’s decision to hire whoever they want. Period.
If they only want to hire coblinasian homaphrodite crossdressers, it’s their money, their choice.
What the MSN does not understand is there is something called freedom & the constitution.

CNN has a good clip posted of its interview with Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway, Rand Paul’s Democratic opponent in the Senate race.
He’s a good guy. Not as colorful as Rand, but very sensible, bright, and plugged into to the real life concerns of the citizens of Kentucky. Worth thinking about and listening to…

If the south had been allowed to secede we wouldn’t even have to worry about this issue because it would have collapsed and the U.S. would still have it’s good name as a non-discriminating freedom loving land. America will collapse if it doesn’t stop legalizing slavery through laws against private property. If I’m a laborer and someone I don’t like because of their race offers me a job, do I have to take it? Why should labor be valued more than the product of labor, i.e. property?

In Gods eyes we’re all equal. In the world’s eyes everyone is biased. In this country the US Constitution and Liberty rule! Thank you future senator Paul for standing for our liberty and protecting the constitution.

Hey liberal media anyone with half a brain is on to your nonsense agenda.