Official: US Will Stand with Israel

armed thugs=’activists’?

The fact remains. Israel attacked a Turkish ship in international waters. The US and Turkey are NATO members and required by treaty to defend each other if attacked. The Palestinians would have only been the recipiant of the international aid yet too many are blaming them for this incident.

Fairly simple premise:
Start behaving like human beings, and you’ll be treated like one.
Instruct your leaders you elected to simply cease lobbing bombs into Israel and all will be well.

“The fact remains. Israel attacked a Turkish ship in international waters.”
Israel, like Turkey and the US, has a right to blockade to protect it’s self interest. Both Turkey and the US would blockade under similar circumstances, no?

“YES!
Suggest you research the USS Liberty incident.”
Thorough and numerous military and governmental inquiries concluded it was not an intentional act.
“Defense Secretary McNamara testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In a wide-ranging exchange between a number of senators and McNamara, he states:
“In the case of the attack on the Liberty, it was the conclusion of the investigatory body headed by an admiral of the Navy in whom we have great confidence that the attack was not intentional.”

By all means stop supporting Israel and keep supporting murderous “peace activist humanitarians,” who carry crowbars knives guns and chant antisemitic phrases.
Fools. And you right wing “USS liberty” nuts should shush up.

It amazes me when China comes to the aid of a radical North Korean regime after it sinks a South Korean ship in what can only be callled an act of war and everyone questions the intent of China and what are they thinking in supporting such a radical, out of touch rouge government….Then the entire world condems an attack by Israel of a humanitarian shipment, in which they killed 10 people in the process, and the U.S. immediately comes to the side of the Israelis and defends their actions the way China defends the North Korean’s…Both China and the U.S.need to take a very serious look at their respective positions and ask themselves if this is where they really want to put their political capital.

“Pretty funny that :-)
Israel = 7.6 million
Neighbours =
77.5 million
22 million
4.3 million
6.4 million
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7.6 million vs. 100+ million.”
Okay now let’s compare a multi-billion dollar US built war machine virtually unmatched by any nation on earth with rock throwing.

“It amazes me when China comes to the aid of a radical North Korean regime after it sinks a South Korean ship in what can only be callled an act of war…”
Equating the deliberate sinking of a warship in South Korean waters with Israel’s right to blockade to prevent foreign intrusion, is truly an “amazing” reach.

Laws of war recognize naval blockades as a legal and established part of the laws of armed conflict.
A state, in time of conflict, can impose an embargo, and while it cannot carry out embargo activities in the territorial waters of a third party, it can carry out embargo activities in international waters.
Within this framework it is legal to detain a civilian vessel trying to break an embargo, and if in the course of detaining the vessel, force is used against the forces carrying out the detention, then that force has every right to act in self-defense.
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Israel was protecting its borders from trespassers. The flotilla was nothing more than a Trojan Horse for terrorism. Israel currently allows tons of supplies into Gaza on a weekly basis, and even offered to offload and move the “supplies” from the ships to Gaza, but would the “activists” accept that? NO, because their primary objective was not humanitarian. The IDF used minimal force and should be commended for that fact. I stand with Israel!

Can any of you defending Israel’s policies of genocide defend its existence? Why didn’t they put the stupid thing in South America, like Hertzl suggested? I think they should move them to Antarctica – though they would likely declare war on penguins and start dropping smart bombs on them, no doubt with the full backing of Barak Obama.

Further, review your history and realize that before the “creation” of Israel after WWII, Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived all together in peace as neighbors even defending one another. They were ALL proud to be Palestinians. They were ALL Palestinians…Arab Christians, Arab Jews, Arab Muslims. This is THEIR land. The problem is not religious. The problem is when you decide to rename the place and make it so that any Russian Jew, French Jew, Venezuelan Jew, American Jew, Ethiopian Jew, or anyone else can claim this land that he/she has never seen before as his/her own and go there and claim citizenship, pushing out the rightful residents of the land. Does that sound right to any of you?
I don’t advocate erasing Israel, certainly not, this is not a viable solution. But FIX the borders. Recognize the rights of the Palestinians to move around their own territories, see their families in different cities, build homes, and survive.

Unfortunately Israel’s political capital is failing with the US’s. The problem is that Israel has a nuclear arsenal at its disposal and has just as many radicals working those missile consoles as level headed people. If Israel is ever prevented from reaching the dream of Eretz Israel, the same radicals you see in the Muslim world will rise up in the Jewish world (they are there they just don’t get the news coverage), but they will have a ridiculous nuclear arsenal at their disposal. So as the US’s political capital wanes, so does Israel’s, and with that the dream to accomplish Eretz Israel. The people of this planet are on a frightening course.
One of the biggest crimes is that most normal Christians, Jews, and Muslims feel it is more important to not argue with their more radical counterparts than to actually reach out across the chasm to the moderates on the other side. For every radical that gets killed on either side you can expect 3 moderates to be killed as well.

Sig, yesterday you were on here calling Israel evil, today you are defending them. Just wondering why the 180?

“Sig, yesterday you were on here calling Israel evil, today you are defending them. Just wondering why the 180?’
Show me the post where I have called anyone evil. Thanks.

And for the people who don’t realize this…Jesus wasn’t a white european or american.
There are shrines to all three sister faiths in this land. Yes, they are related. Same God, different messages and messengers.
Yes, Allah (in arabic) is GOD (in english) is Yahweh (in hebrew) is Dios (in Spanish) is Gieu (french) is Gott (german) is 6or (russian).
Leave the religious issues out. Leave the extremists on all sides out. And realize that this is about people fighting for their right to live in the lands of their ancestors.
For those of you claiming that people live in peace inside of Israel’s borders, again go get more info, ARAB Jews are a minority, they are mistreated, considering lower class, and ignored.
Also…Christians are heretics in the eyes of Judaism (in case you don’t realize the difference between Christians and Jews).

Lets turn to the bible, this land was given to Israel by God before we were ever thought of as modern man and all his knowledge about world affairs, and dislike for the Jewish people, God said I will never leave you or forsake you. Jews the most persecuted people on earth, now whether you believe in God or not he still exist, and if man cannot explain the phenomenal things that just seem to happen, just keep pushing Israel and you will see things happen again man cannot explain.
Empires and Governments thru time have been destroyed fighting Israel. Man of today cannot be told anything contrary to what they believe, even when it Smacks them square in the face. The last country brought to there knees was England, 1948 holding the Jews from resettling there home land, the sun now sets on the British Empire, blame it on everything else, thank goodness this country hasn’t turned their back on the Israelis. God is also a Terrible God thousands of lives lost fighting Jews in old testament, in one day nothing has changed, man is walking on thin Ice, leave Israel manage themselves.

…oh wait..nothing the UN ever says applies to Israel because they violate and ignore everything that the UN has ever tried to put in place regarding Israel and its neighbors.

American Woman:
“Israel was protecting its borders from trespassers. ”
It’s borders? Gaza is Palestinian. not Israeli. Or do the Palestinians (christians, jews, and muslims) not have the right to exist on their land?
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American Woman: “Israel currently allows tons of supplies into Gaza on a weekly basis”
Look it up. They allow bulldozers in to destroy people’s homes.
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American Woman:”The IDF used minimal force and should be commended for that fact.”
They killed people…minimal?
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American Woman: “I stand with Israel!”
That says a lot about you.
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By this declaration, America, the land of my birth has declared itself an outlaw under the Obama Administration, which goes to show you the more things change the more they remain the same. First it was George Bush who used war for regime change and in his own mind to boost the American economy, and now Barack Obama who just believes in the right to murder people no matter where they are to please his Israeli masters. The new world order will be ‘us’ against the world community of the rule of law and we most certainly will lose in that confrontation. What’s sad is America insists on going down with Israel but that’s not wholly unexpected. Very sad

Those armed commandos dropped to the ship armed with Paintball guns and sidearms that were holstered. It wasn’t until the “Peace Activists” overpowered one of them and wrestled away their sidearm that the option to use live ammunition was given.
Reports state that two of the soldiers handguns were wrestled away, and two of the soldiers were wounded by gunshots.
Can anyone prove that the IDF was responsible for the shooting deaths on the ship? Is it possible that the “Peace Activists” that wrestled away the IDF guns may have shot their own?
How can anyone watching the videos posted on youtube not see that if the IDF did shoot and kill “Peace Activists” they were doing so in self defense? If the IDF soldiers were only armed with the Paintball guns that can be clearly seen in the video, they would all be dead, yet Israel would still be condemned.
I support Israel 100% on this. Just like during Operation Cast Lead, they went in trying to avoid civilian harm, and were forced into a No-Win situation.
As to the blockade, Egypt is also a party to the blockade. Egypt supposedly gassed tunnels a few weeks back, killing several smugglers, but was their a word of condemnation then?
For the past few weeks, Israel has been saying that the Aid ships are welcome to dock at Ashdod for cargo inspection, and then the cargo can be transferred through the established checkpoints. The “Aid Convey” refused. They also refused a Turkish offer to have the convey dock in a Turkish port and have the cargo transferred via land crossings.
This was not an “Aid Convoy”, it was a political stunt to put Israel in a No-Win situation, force Israel to defend itself, and then cry to the media when people got hurt. The people that were hurt wanted to be hurt or killed so they could be martyrs. They got what they wanted.

PM Netanyahu should face trial before the Int’l Criminal Court for this genocide….just like Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona for her hate crimes against Hispanics!

You pro Palestinians should study history. There never was a Palestine and indeed isn’t one today.

If Obama wants peace to happen then it has to be fair. How can one country control what goes in and out of another country? That’s like America setting checkpoints and blockades around Canada. Canadians will have to go through these checkpoints every time they leave or enter Canada. How would Canada feel?
Why can’t Palestinians get their own homes and land back and rule it themselves?
The more you starve a people the more angry they will get. What kind of peace will be the outcome of that?
The international community is on the side of justice. Only America and Israel are preventing justice and peace.

The power of the Jewish vote.——
obama dosen’t what any change here.

“That’s like America setting checkpoints and blockades around Canada.”
Yes. Both the US and Canada have the right to blockade to protect their nation’s interests and there should be no doubt that Canada or US would exercise that right just as Israel has.

The Right to protect your borders is a wonderful thing….Deal With It….

Hey that Israel, what TOUGH GUYS they are…attacking a aid convey. Oooooh!!
Israel never attacks a country that posesses the ability to kill their sons and daughter in large numbers…that’s why the Israeli lobby gets Amercian soldiers to die in their fabricated wars. Anyone who loves liberty and freedom should protest against the thugs who run Israel.

If there is to not be a Palistine, then Israel should give full citizensship to the people in teh occupied territories and all rights and priviliges thereof!
Israel will not treat them as citizens and wants a separate state to keep a Jewish majority in Israel. They cannot do that if they treat those in the occupied territories as citizens.

Sigmonde, sorry I guess I was wrong. I thought I had just read that on another blog. Anyway, sorry again.

You need to have papers to enter Gaza. Why should Israel just allow hundreds of people from other countries the ability to walk on in without papers? If boatloads of Israelis tried to enter Turkey without papers, what would Turkey do?

No surprise that the US government cannot criticize Israel even in this case. The US politicians are scared of the israeli lobby. They are cowards who cannot even do the right thing for their own country. So-called friendship with Israel has not provided any benefits to the US. In fact, it’s just the opposite. But who has the guts to say stop/no to the craziest in the israeli government. The world has seen how callous and heinous that regime has become. The sad truth is the US is the enabler of this militant racist theocracy.

Israel has released a video showing their soldiers being attacked as soon as they arrived on the ship. Is ABC or any of the other major television news showing this video?

President Obama knows the score well, is doubtless appalled but probably not terribly surprised by events on the Mavi Mari, and has chosen to sell out to the Lobby for future consideration at the urging of plenty within his party, who like members of the other party are handsomely compensated for pro-Israel votes and legislation. Many of us, who sit here today and shake our heads at this avoidable tragedy, still chuckle at the thought of the IDF having to describe with straight face the deadly fighting force, in the guise of protesters, diplomats and poets, it managed to subdue with customary martial prowess. (For those persuaded about the reality of these crazed on-board thugs by tiny, select snippets of video, your naivete is showing.)
This charade sheds new light on the triumphal celebrations in Israeli towns when the army returns after a bloody run through Gaza against an enemy not one-tenth as well equipped.
When Israel withdrew from Gaza, the settler protests were violent, causing dozens of injuries among police. How many settlers died? None. There is a perception that the government of Israel values non-Israeli lives very differently, i.e. too cheaply, and doesn’t care how offensive that is to the world.
Flotilla passengers are now being “detained” after having been exposed to tremendous violence in international waters. Why? Would Israel allow its citizens to be similarly detained if en route to a protest, perhaps against Antisemitism, they were hauled off by a foreign country acting outside its borders? At what point does illegal detention become kidnapping?
I know this is done to give Israel the maximum amount of time possible to manage the message, edit the videos, control the airwaves, and consider diplomatic alternatives while passenger bruises and injuries fade to less photogenic hues and other world events vie for headlines, but again it demonstrates too clearly the disregard for non-Israeli families and lives.
The US puts itself at risk through any perceived alignment with these methods. Justifying that risk is the promise of a two-state solution that Netanyahu claims to support. Obama would seem to be banking on Netanyahu to be a sincere and honest negotiator, but I suspect he’s less inclined to believe that than in the lethality of a ruthless band of slingshot toting poets.

The last major confrontation in the Gaza Strip . . .
Palestinians kill 13 Israelis.
Israelis kill approximately 1,400 Palestinians – and maim thousands more.
Israelis destroy schools, homes, water and sewage infrastructure and so on . .
The state of Israel was imposed upon the arabs largely by white, western governments. One of the first acts was jewish settlers terrorizing arabs off of the land.
History continues.

“If there is to not be a Palistine, then Israel should give full citizensship to the people in teh occupied territories and all rights and priviliges thereof”
Right. Like Muslim countries give rights to jews. Or even to women

“The state of Israel was imposed upon the arabs largely by white, western governments. ”
Tiresome..

“The state of Israel was imposed upon the arabs largely by white, western governments. ”
Tiresome..
Posted by: Sigmonde | Jun 1, 2010 1:45:59 PM
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I suppose the jewish settlers terrorizing the arabs of the land at the time was ‘tiresome’ as well . .

if gaza was israel they might have a claim. but gaza is not israel. and the 2 million refugees are not israelis yet israel makes prisioners out of them and treat them like it is their land.
how much more of this supremist stuff can the world take?

Heavily censored, eh, Tapper?
Can’t criticise you and can’t criticise muslim history of minority and women’s rights?

FGS, there are NO “needy hungry people” in Gaza; this was a set up, period.

My last post was edited by ABC, to exclude a link to Liberal endorcement of
anti-semitic position, when it suits them. Where is the out cry of Anti-semitic raving, endorced by the germans 75 years ago???

Why was the “senior administration official” granted anonymity in your post when laying out the administrations official line?

Glenn Greenwald: “So the virtually the entire world — dictatorships and democracies, allies, enemies and neutral parties toward Israel, in Europe, Asia and South America — have condemned Israel and rejected its claims. But the U.S., standing virtually alone, embraces the Israeli claims and (as is virtually always the case) refrains from even the mildest criticisms.
As usual, we find here the Key Tribal Principles: my side is always right, and the group which my parents taught me from childhood to love and cherish can do no wrong. (in regards to key tribal principles, see Orwell, blinding tribalism, selective Terrorism, and Israel/Gaza).
I think its worthwhile to get all the facts, but it is interesting how people dig in to positions before the facts are well known. From what I’ve gathered, there was a mistake made– a certain lack of preparation and some faulty intellgence as to what was going on the boat. Debka file:
“rael’s deputy defence minister Mattan Vilnai stressed the Israeli commando raid on the pro-Palestinian flotilla succeeded in its mission – although the loss of life was regrettable. Mistakes were made but the IDF would learn from them and defend the blockade in other ways, he said.
He dismissed rising demands at home for the defence minister Ehud Barak to step down…”
Before anyone complains about me quoting others, truth is I just don’t know. Whenever I think about the Middle East, my next thought is “Jesus wept.”
What a mess.

Thanks again White House for putting America’s strategic interests in harm’s way yet again! Just what the U.S. needs is to be even more isolated with Israel who will face consequences from other headquarters which will rebound on us. The solution is obvious–make Israel the 51st state of the U.S. since it functions that way currently but without having to pay us any taxes and instead being the largest recipient of foreign aid. Make Israel have the responsibilities of its special status as well as the privileges. Make it the 51st state and put an extra star on the flag for Israel.

Oh brother…..

The president has done what is politically expedient for him. Let’s see him 86 the jewish vote. It will never happen. Change you can predict.
So, he is not ready to toss the Jewish vote for the potential SEIU members of the “In the bag Hispanic’s”

“This alone is indefensable, but I’m sure Sig will try. Pals have responded by the only means they have, rocks and MIS guided missles.”
If you are referring to me, I don’t condone violence as a solution to anything, especially the lobbing of rockets and suicide bombers at civilian populations. I am for Israel and Palestine living side by side peacefully as independent states. Remove the Iran supported Hesbollah and Hamas factions that want Israel destroyed and there would be a chance for Palestinians and Israelis to make peace.

I greatly admire how shiny you have polished up your Israeli slave chains, but please remember that they are slave chains.

What about the 9 Americans that were on that voyage? What about the American ship that was accosted in international waters? What about the Israeli attack on Turkey, a member of NATO.
It is clear who runs this country. We are all Palistinians now!
Washington is the slime pit of the world nd Obama is its supreme spineless leader. Disgusting traitors.

GTR5–not only the USS Liberty zionist killings how about them also had done the Sept 11 attacks.If you dig deep enough they did in JFK and countlessother ACCIDENTS.
Notice that after BUSH has left the media now allows comments? Sad affairs in America. Truely.}srael needs to pack=up and go–far from this planet and take all the Westrn politicians with them :^/

Brought to you by the same country whose Mossad agents were dancing in the streets and high-fiving one another after the towers collapsed. Thanks for everything, Israel.

Deborah Said: “The solution is obvious–make Israel the 51st state of the U.S. since it functions that way currently but without having to pay us any taxes and instead being the largest recipient of foreign aid. Make Israel have the responsibilities of its special status as well as the privileges. Make it the 51st state and put an extra star on the flag for Israel.”
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One of the most logical and intelligent comments on this board today.
The average American doesn’t understand the HUGE lobbying influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). They have both the congress and the executive branches of our government under their full control based upon their large campaign contributions. The current position of the Obama administration to stand behind Israel, even after this incident, is just another prime example of their influence.
Let’s put Israel on the U.S. flag… it’s about time… especially after the hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars that have been provided to Israel.

It is time to end all U.S. aid to the fascist junta that is known as “Israel”.
Their attack on a humanitarian mission to the Gaza Ghetto is as inhuman as one can get. We must remember things like the Lavonne affair, Jonathon Pollards theft of Top Secret U.S. technology and resultant sale of nuclear weapons secrets to unfriendly nations, the attack on the USS Liberty in June 1967, and various other incidents manufactured by the Nazi Jews to incite the U.S. to wage cruel war and engage in savage occupations of third world countries solely for the benefit to support the fascist apartheid state of Israel.
Our forefathers warned us about entertaining these people in any way, shape or form.
Israel is a TERRORIST entity and must be dealt with in the same brutal manner we currently inflict on innocent people in other third world countries.
“I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.” -– Ben Franklin
Mr. Franklin was right. These savages have left no one with any diplomatic room to maneuver. Begin carpet bombing Tel-Aviv until They surrender UNCONDITIONALLY!

How does any problem like this, between countries get resolved? By war….read the history books! Negotiation with Israel is a waste of time and effort when a good war would at least show Israel they cannot strong-arm another country and not bear the scars of reprisal. I support all who provide arms for the defense of Palestinians against Israel.

Attacking a boat in international waters is, like many other of Israel’s acts, a clear violation of international law. But, as in the past, the U.S. will support Israel (number one recipient of U.S. foreign aid)because AIPAC owns the Democratic Party and Christian Fundamentalist millenialists control the Republican Party. And people wonder why the Moslem world hates us.

To KimWSSmith
I suggest this person get immidiate help – seriously.

Once again, the Obama admin. literally letting people get away with murder in order to maintain this spineless go-along, get-along political center nonsense. Sickening.

“The Israeli state has already killed, without compunction, many hundreds of unarmed civilians, including hundreds of women and children, in Lebanon and Gaza; ”
Is there justification for Hamas or Hesbollah launching thousands of missiles indiscriminately into civilian populations? Or justification for suicide bombing in civilian populations? If so, how do you justify that?

it appears the israelis have turned into what they claim they hate.

It’s really quite simple: either STAND WITH ISRAEL OR BE CURSED! Gen 12:3

The administration is going to push Israel to lift the blockade, some “standing with Israel,” you foolish man!

what is wrong with america? israel clearly killing people. why america still defend israel? I AM ASKING TO ALL AMERICAN WHY? DO YOU REALISE THAT israel IS THE SOURCE OF ALL TERROR AND THE KING OF TERROR? MOSLEM WILL HATE AMERICA IF AMERICA DID NOT DEFEND israel AT ANY COST LIKE IN SABRA SHATTILA MASSACRE AND DEIR YASSIN. DON’T FORGET ABOUT USS LIBERTY. IF AMERICA WANT TO LIVE ALONG WITH MOSLEM THAN DON’T DEFEND israel AGAIN, PLEASE.

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