By Julie Percha

Jun 30, 2010 11:33am

Target GOP: Obama Takes Aim at Boehner, Barton

From Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller

In a partisan speech on the economy in Racine, Wisc., today, President Obama will target House Minority Leader John Boehner and Congressman Joe Barton, R-Texas, painting them as out of touch with the American people.

In excerpts released by the White House in advance of the mid-afternoon town hall speech, Mr. Obama will call out Republicans’ opposition to the financial reform legislation currently making its way through Congress, singling out comments made yesterday by Boehner.

“Most of our friends in the other party are planning on voting against this reform,” Obama will say. “ In fact, just yesterday, I was stunned to hear the leader of the Republicans in the House say that financial reform was like using a nuclear weapon to target an ant. That’s right. He compared the financial crisis to an ant.  The same financial crisis that led to the loss of nearly eight million jobs. The same crisis that cost people their homes and their lives savings. “

In an interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Monday, House Minority Leader John Boehner compared the financial regulatory reform bill to “killing an ant with a nuclear weapon.”

“This is killing an ant with a nuclear weapon,” Boehner said of the bill. “There are faults in our regulatory system, some in terms of transparency, most as a result of ineffective enforcement by the bureaucracy who have no idea what these financial products look like today. That could’ve been fixed, but that’s not what we have here.”

The president today will say, “Well, if the Republican leader is that out of touch with the struggles facing the American people, he should come here to Racine and ask people if they think the financial crisis was an ant.”

In response, Boehner's spokesman, Michael Steel, implied that the metaphor is blown out of proportion.

“The President should be focused on solving the problems of the American people – stopping the leaking oil and cleaning up the Gulf, scrapping his job-killing agenda, repealing and replacing ObamaCare – instead of the House Republican Leader’s choice of metaphors," Steel said. "It's clear Boehner was not minimizing the crisis America faced – he was pointing out that Washington Democrats have produced a bill that will actually kill more jobs and make the situation worse.”

Mr. Obama will also take the Republicans to task for Congressman Joe Barton’s apology to BP in the Tony Hayward hearing two weeks ago.

“The top Republican on the energy committee even had the nerve to apologize to BP for the fact that we made them set up this fund.  Apologize to BP!  He actually called the fund 'a tragedy.' A tragedy?  A tragedy is what the people of the Gulf are going through right now. That’s the tragedy.”

-Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

…..maybe the three of them ought to have a few beers…after all, birds of a feather drink together.

Posted by: justjjoey | June 30, 2010, 11:41 am 11:41 am

This is sure to enrage the Republicans. They count on the media ignoring their extremist pandering to the hard right – if Obama starts making them take responsibility for their actions and words they’ll probably fail to take back the House in Nov.

Posted by: jhw539 | June 30, 2010, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Obama is just as out of touch with the people…..just in a different way.
He thinks his way, is the only way, even when the majority of citizens tell him they don’t want his way!

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | June 30, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

13,000 private sector jobs created in June, the first month of the “summer of recovery”. Keep up the good work, how about another stimulus?

Posted by: pauldia | June 30, 2010, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

“President Obama will target House Minority Leader John Boehner and Congressman Joe Barton, R-Texas, painting them as out of touch with the American people.” – ABC News
Gee, Mr. President, if you want to be a leader and bring people together why not make your speech Bi-Partisen? How about including some Democrats who are out of touch with the American People. There are plenty to choose from.
“I was stunned to hear the leader of the Republicans in the House say that financial reform was like using a nuclear weapon to target an ant.” – Barack Insane Obama
Gee Mr. President, maybe those people were trying to use a metaphor to point out that you Progressives are using the wrong weapon at the wrong target. Does the financial reform include a minimum 10% deposit on home purchases? You are smart enough to understand the metaphor aren’t you Mr. President? You are still playing your spin game, right?

Posted by: Noz | June 30, 2010, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

even when the majority of citizens tell him they don’t want his way!
Rick McDaniel | Jun 30, 2010 12:10:27 PM
Funny how in the real world Obama campaigned on doing exactly what he’s doing and won a large victory in the last election, less than 2 years ago.
Stupid founding fathers – basing our government on elections rather than polls.

Posted by: jhw539 | June 30, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

13,000 private sector jobs created in June, the first month of the “summer of recovery”. Keep up the good work, how about another stimulus?
pauldia | Jun 30, 2010 12:14:33 PM
June 2008: (62,000) jobs LOST
June 2009: (467,000) LOST
June 2010: 13,000 PRIVATE jobs added (funny how that qualifier doesn’t count when we’re looking at jobs lost)
As many economists argued in 2008, the stimulus needed to be bigger to fill the gap left by private retrenchment. But it is undeniable that the economy is doing MUCH better than in the past couple of years, with the bottoming out point (coincidentally I’m sure) right about the time Obama came into office.

Posted by: jhw539 | June 30, 2010, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Funny how in the real world Obama campaigned on doing exactly what he’s doing and won a large victory in the last election, less than 2 years ago.
Posted by: jhw539 |
When did Barry say he was going to lose the war in Afghanistan? Please provide exact quotes.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 30, 2010, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Obama is real good at changing the topic.What does he have to say about his phone call to the SEIU union official asking to have Valerie Jarrett appointed senator by Blago.Judge James Zagel stopped Blago’s attorney from asking Tom Balanoff(SEIU) a question concerning Obama during the trial.So between Zagel and the prosecutors headed by US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald we have Obama being assisted in his stonewalling of his and his administration’s involvement with Blago.Hopefully,the press will not lie down on this story as they have for most of Obama’s tenure.

Posted by: bobmac | June 30, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Yea he’s doing a great job. Just look how he tried to create a job in Illinois.
Under oath, a union official at Blago’s trial has now testified that Obama made his preferences clear:
In testimony at Blagojevich’s federal corruption trial, Tom Balanoff said Obama — speaking a day before his Nov. 8, 2008 triumph in the presidential election — said that [Valerie] Jarrett wanted the job and was qualified, although he wanted her to join him in the White House. Balanoff, a close Obama ally and top official with the Service Employees International Union in Chicago, said Blagojevich countered by suggesting Obama appoint him Secretary of Health and Human Services.
Mt Gibbs has nothing to offer.

Posted by: pauldia | June 30, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

As many economists argued in 2008, the stimulus needed to be bigger to fill the gap left by private retrenchment. But it is undeniable that the economy is doing MUCH better than in the past couple of years…
Posted by: jhw539
One of those economists you cite, paul krugman, denied the undeniable in his most recent column. Why don’t you tell us why he is wrong?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 30, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

When did Barry say he was going to lose the war in Afghanistan? Please provide exact quotes.
Foghorn Leghorn | Jun 30, 2010 12:38:17 PM
Amazing the contempt Republicans have for our military when a Democratic administration dares to buck his party and give the generals what they ask for. Suddenly the military is a bunch of liars who just won’t admit that they’ve lost the war.
Or are you just going on the records as in favor of turning tail and running now?

Posted by: jhw539 | June 30, 2010, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Amazing the contempt Republicans have for our military when a Democratic administration dares to buck his party and give the generals what they ask for.
Posted by: jhw539 |
The last time Barry gave a general what he asked for, he fired McChrystal.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 30, 2010, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Or are you just going on the records as in favor of turning tail and running now?
Posted by: jhw539 |
You mean in July 2011 as Barry promised?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 30, 2010, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Funny how in the real world Obama campaigned on doing exactly what he’s doing and won a large victory in the last election, less than 2 years ago.
Posted by: jhw539 |
When did the President campaign on not closing Gitmo by the end of his “first” term. Please provide specific quotes and dates.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

jhw539: “Amazing the contempt Republicans have for our military when a Democratic administration dares to buck his party and give the generals what they ask for.”
Amazing how anti-war liberals suddenly became warmongers after a Democratic administration came to power and dramatically escalates war, killing US soldiers at a much faster rate than the previous administration (nearly half of the US casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama in just 18 months). It’s also clear now that Guantanamo isn’t closing. Yet anti-war protests are nearly non-existent. I suppose war is cool now that Obama is doing the killing.

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

jhw539: “June 2008: (62,000) jobs LOST
June 2009: (467,000) LOST
June 2010: 13,000 PRIVATE jobs added (funny how that qualifier doesn’t count when we’re looking at jobs lost)”
It takes 150,000 to 200,000 new jobs per month to keep up with new workers just entering the workforce due to POPULATION growth alone. 13,000 private sector jobs after $800 BILLION in “stimulus” spending is positively PATHETIC, especially considering we have 24.7 MILLION people unemployed/underemployed (BLS U6). Obama claims that he “saved or created” 2.5 million jobs. That works out to $320,000 per job! Imagine what would have happened to employment if private businesses had that capital.
April 2010:
“All in all we’re going to be creating somewhere between 100[,000] and 200,000 jobs next month, I predict,” Joe Biden said, according to a pool report, adding that he “got in trouble” for a job growth prediction last month. “Even some in the White House said, ‘Hey, don’t get ahead of yourself.’ Well, I’m here to tell you, some time in the next couple of months, we’re going to be creating between 250,000 jobs a month and 500,000 jobs a month.”
We have record, chronic unemployment.
We have record foreclosures.
We have record bankruptcies.
We have record poverty.
We have record use of food stamps.
We have a record bank failure rate twice as high as last year.
So how are Obamanomics working out for you Joe?

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Hey, Obama, how are those “JOBS” coming
along? How’s securing the border coming along?
You can solve 2 problems if you enforce
existing immigration laws, send the illegals back home, then I’m sure there are many, many Americans who’d love to have the jobs that illegals took.
You need to stay more focused on the real problems.

Posted by: paul | June 30, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

“In a partisan speech on the economy in Racine, Wisc., today, President Obama will target House Minority Leader John Boehner and Congressman Joe Barton, R-Texas, painting them as out of touch with the American people.”
Meanwhile, the oil spill continues to destroy commerce, tourism, livelihoods, and animal habitats on the Gulf Coast.
Obama’s speech in Wisconsin clearly demonstrates how in touch with the American people he is, don’t you think?

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Man, this new politics of purple America is just inspiring me so much today. Thanks Mr. President. You are truly a post-partisan citizen of the world.

Posted by: Aaron | June 30, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Obama has ALWAYS been partisen from the minute he said “I won” which was what, 2 weeks after he took office?

Posted by: whatsupwiththat? | June 30, 2010, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

And you thought Bush had an enemies list. Obama’s even includes the media, otherwise known as “his base!”

Posted by: CBA | June 30, 2010, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

“Mr. Obama will also take the Republicans to task for Congressman Joe Barton’s apology to BP in the Tony Hayward hearing two weeks ago.” – ABC News
NoBo ought to let sleeping dogs lie.
He got away with his shakedown of BP.
It’s a plus for the People of the Gulf.
Trying to make political hay from his thug like dealing with BP is childish.
Learn to keep your mouth shut from time to time Mr. President.

Posted by: Noz | June 30, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Yawn …. this President lacks credibility so much, that basically I simply presume the opposite of what he says is true. When you have to take someone to task over a metaphor, you really are desperate! Wow!

Posted by: Obama, the Second Coming | June 30, 2010, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Where are the jobs Obama?
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Posted by: Rev Wright | June 30, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Where are the jobs Obama?
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Posted by: Rev Wright | June 30, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Where are the jobs Obama?
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Posted by: Rev Wright | June 30, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

The most divisive president ever. Can he do anything except blame others and take partisan pot shots at anyone who disagrees with him?? He is like a kid in the school yard that bullies and makes fun of other kids.

Posted by: mj | June 30, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

The most divisive president ever. Can he do anything except blame others and take partisan pot shots at anyone who disagrees with him?? He is like a kid in the school yard that bullies and makes fun of other kids.

Posted by: mj | June 30, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

The most divisive president ever. Can he do anything except blame others and take partisan pot shots at anyone who disagrees with him?? He is like a kid in the school yard that bullies and makes fun of other kids.

Posted by: mj | June 30, 2010, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

The rushies are out today!

Posted by: noneother | June 30, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

The rushies are out today!
Posted by: noneother | Jun 30, 2010 4:13:09 PM
From a compassionate, all inclusive liberal no doubt. Try countering the comments instead of profiling evyone.
This thread shows how Obama is so good at covering his own weaknesses. Boehner and Barton came up on the RBGG – Random Bad Guy Generator. Hey, he has to talk about something. He sure can’t talk about his record as president.
Btw: No more screaming about the thousands of people dying from “lack of health care coverege”? Aren’t they still croaking? Nothing has really changed thatbwould save those people. Why the silence?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Boehner: “This is killing an ant with a nuclear weapon”
Obama: “That’s right. He compared the financial crisis to an ant.”
That’s wrong, Obama. He compared your financial reforms to an ant being killed with a nuclear weapon. His point wasn’t to liken the crisis to something small, but instead to liken your reforms to overkill. Either Obama is dense and didn’t understand Boehner’s comments, or he’s purposely twisting Boehner’s comments for partisan political gain. In either scenario, one thing is clear — Obama’s incompetence. When all else fails (and with Democrats it often does), blame Republicans.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

I think the President is metaphor challenged.

Posted by: Jen | June 30, 2010, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Maybe Obama should look at his own party like Pete Stark who put on a horrible display of disdain for an American citizen.
Stark should be brought before Congress and horse whipped. I have never been so disgusted in an individual’s public behavior as what I have watched in the past few days.
Please, progressives, liberals, whatever… Try to defend Stark’s behavior. Just try please…

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

So Jake, where is the story covering Pete Stark’s abhorent behavior towards his constituents? I have looked everywhere and don’t see it.
Come on Jake! Step and be a man! Or at least a reporter!

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Do you cons ever look in a mirror?

Posted by: crazy | June 30, 2010, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

CBO says budget deficit will be 60% of GDP this year, 90% by 2020.
Yet Obama our ADD sufferer in chief spends a ohpalf million dollars on a ten minute speech and has the nerve to say Boehner is out of touch.
Narcissim is a debilitating disease.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

It’s obvious that anything said to “defend” President Obama will be turned around to satisfy your warped thinking. It’s also apparent your kind has taken over the comments section and filled it with fox attack talking points. I’m going to go out and enjoy the evening instead of reading all the dribble you ooze. You all have a nice frustrated evening!

Posted by: Lee | June 30, 2010, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

Narcissim is a debilitating disease.
Posted by: MM | Jun 30, 2010 6:08:34 PM
We saw narcissism in full bloom from Bush and the Republicans and the neo-cons in their lies and arrogance leading up to attacking Iraq, plunging the country into a doubled national debt and then watching as the economy headed towards depression.
Republicans are full of it.
Posted by: Steve D | Jun 30, 2010 6:24:03 PM
Of course, if I criticize Obama I MUST be a Republican so your defense bedomes Bush and the GOP was worse. Now that you’ve got THAT out of your system, maybe you’d like to respond to the meat of my comment? So CBO numbers are what? A lie? An exaggeration? A good thing? And Obama spending that money on a ten minute speech is what? Thoughtful spending by a President?
Come on Steve, quit cherry-picking something you can respond to. Take on the real facts. Bush is history and has nothing to do with Obama wasting money. Obama growing govt has nothing to do with anything but his agenda.
And what about Obama continuing the war, putting into place rules of engagement that are getting soldiers killed and not closing Gitmo. Where is your neocon outrage at THAT?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

I agree with the president. These republicans are out of touch. the have wrecked our nation and they want to ride the president because he hasnt fixed it in a hurry.Just like the gulf spill, its gonna take time

Posted by: TV | June 30, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

“CBO says budget deficit will be 60% of GDP this year, 90% by 2020.”
Of course, this only SOUNDS completely insane, but that is because the commenter MM doesn’t know the difference between deficit and debt.
CBO said nothing of the sort.
Then again, who cares? No nation ever became strong by cutting spending. The answer is to increase production. Thats why we need another, stronger stimulus.
The government needs to go into debt to finance future growth, acting exactly like ordinary families who go into debt to finance college.

Posted by: Flash Override | June 30, 2010, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

After our economic house burned down in 1930, we installed a fire alarm system. Since that was torn out (by Republicans and Democrats) a small fire rapidly consumed the place again in 2007. Not only did Republicans seek to limit the amount of water Obama could put on it, they now want to stop him from reinstalling the alarm system.

Posted by: Flash Override | June 30, 2010, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Where did MM and all the cronie fox followers go? Either it’s quitting time or they had to go back to beck and hannity for more brainwashing! Zap ‘em good guys!!

Posted by: wow | June 30, 2010, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

This man doesn’t even know how to ACT like a President.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | June 30, 2010, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Posted by: Steve D | Jun 30, 2010 6:50:05 PM
Your response is completely off topic. Obama is WASTING money. He did not campaign on wasting money.
The war is suddenly cool now rather than the actions of neocons. Who cares what he campaigned on. Groups like Code Pink are silent on the issue. Peace loving citizens and citizen journalists are silent. Yet people like yourself still scream about Bush and Cheney. But you’re ok with it now because he promised to win the afghan war? Were you campaigning against him then? I doubt it. Your supposed stand against neocons is a sham.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Posted by: Flash Override | Jun 30, 2010 7:16:05 PM
“National Debt”
Happy now?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

No nation ever became strong by cutting spending. The answer is to increase production. Thats why we need another, stronger stimulus.
Posted by: Flash Override | Jun 30, 2010 7:16:05 PM
Thank you Paul Klugman. I might agree with you if politicians weren’t the ones spending it. Prove to me it wouldn’t be wasted.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

The government needs to go into debt to finance future growth, acting exactly like ordinary families who go into debt to finance college.
Posted by: Flash Override | Jun 30, 2010 7:16:05 PM
Bwahahahahahahahahahah! The government is like an ordinary family? Oh, that is priceless! The government is more like the fools who bought half million dollar homes on a landscaper’s salary. Or like the family that has ten credit cards and then claims bankruptcy because they make fifteeen grand a year. The government isn’t ANYTHING like a responsible family who works hard to finance their child’s education.
How domyou come up with this stuff? Is the koolaid that strong where you live?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

“The huge deficit and crashed economy left by the Republicans under Bush has everything to do with the country’s current economic state.”
Wait. So the economy crashed because of Bush’s huge deficit, and Obama outspending him and all other Presidents in history combined will fix the problem? Whatever you say, Tierra, er, Steve.
Democrats have controlled Congress AND SPENDING since 2007. No Democratic Party leader ever complained about Bush’s spending, except to say that it was never enough. Their corrupt activities at Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac contributed to the collapse of those companies and we now face $1 trillion in bailouts as a result.
BTW, the economy hasn’t crashed yet. It’s been propped up by huge amounts of deficit spending. The real crash is still to come. Since 70% of Canada’s exports are bought by the US, it’ll affect you too. Enjoy Hope and Change!

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

“Wait. So the economy crashed because of Bush’s huge deficit, and ”
Reading comprehension apparently is not a strong suit with right wingers.
She said deficit AND economic collapse, not deficit caused economic collapse.
Geez Mary, you’re as big a liar as the rest of the right wingers here.
“No Democratic Party leader ever complained about Bush’s spending, except to say that it was never enough.”
Yeah because unfunded mandates cause deficits as does cutting taxes while engaging in two wars.
The right wing…stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

“The government needs to go into debt to finance future growth, acting exactly like ordinary families who go into debt to finance college.”
LOL!
If reckless deficit spending was the key to economic prosperity, Greece, Portugal, Spain, and the UK would be ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES. Right now, they’re fighting for their economic lives, rejecting deficit spending, instituting austerity measures, and attempting to PRIVATIZE very costly public sectors, including healthcare, energy, and transportation.
Don’t worry. We’ll be doing the same soon enough. Enjoy your low taxes while you can. Pain is on the way. It’s unavoidable.

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

“Reading comprehension apparently is not a strong suit with right wingers.
She said deficit AND economic collapse, not deficit caused economic collapse.”
Speaking of reading comprehension, my own was faulty.
I had assumed reading your post that tierra had posted this.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

Of course, if I criticize Obama I MUST be a Republican”
ROFLMAO!
I love it when a right wingers who does nothing but parrot right wing talking points (like the Stark faux outrage) and attacks Democrats insists they are non partisan.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

“Maybe Obama should look at his own party like Pete Stark who put on a horrible display of disdain for an American citizen.”
Good point.
He should have not have asked the racist right wing Minuteman leader if he had killed anyone that day.
He should have asked him if he’s stopped beating his wife…like Chris Simcox.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

“If reckless deficit spending was the key to economic prosperity, Greece, Portugal, Spain, and the UK would be ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES.”
Except its not and no one said it was but hey no one said you were honest.
” Don’t worry. We’ll be doing the same soon enough. Enjoy your low taxes while you can”
Our taxes SHOULD be higher.
Too bad right wing selfishness won’t let you guys see the fundamental truth that taxes must go up because you could eliminate all discretionary spending and still be in the hole.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Ryan C: “Yeah because unfunded mandates cause deficits as does cutting taxes while engaging in two wars.”
Cutting taxes INCREASED revenues from the highest tax brackets. Congress spent those revenues and much more.
Our unfunded mandates stand at $109 TRILLION. Has Obama improved that situation?
The two wars wouldn’t have happened without Democratic Party support. And we’re still there, aren’t we? In fact, US soldiers are dying at a record pace in Afghanistan. Who’s Commander-in-Chief? Bush?
Record debt.
Record chronic unemployment.
Record poverty.
Record food stamp usage.
Record foreclosures.
Record bankruptcies.
Record bank failures.
All courtesy of Obama’s Hope and Change.
Oh, and thanks for confirming Steve D was Tierra. lol

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

“He should have not have asked the racist right wing Minuteman leader if he had killed anyone that day.”
Uh, yes I believe you are correct. He should not have asked that.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Ryan C: “Our taxes SHOULD be higher. Too bad right wing selfishness won’t let you guys see the fundamental truth that taxes must go up because you could eliminate all discretionary spending and still be in the hole.”
And taxes will be higher. In the meantime, debt-conscious left wingers can always send a generous check to the Department of Public Debt. You’re doing your part, right Ryan? Doing anything less would be selfish.

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

“Cutting taxes INCREASED revenues from the highest tax brackets”
Except that it DIDN’T though its a popular right wing talking point.
The Laffer curve was DEBUNKED years ago.
But the right wing draws upon the lessons of their right wing ancestors and know a lie repeated often enough will be accepted by the gullible.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

“In fact, US soldiers are dying at a record pace in Afghanistan.”
Fighting a war on the ground that we should have done in 2001.
But apparently we needed to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was no threat to us.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

Ryan C: “But apparently we needed to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was no threat to us.”
We’re currently killing civilians with drones in Pakistan and Yemen. Did those countries attack us on 9/11?

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

Ryan C: “Except [cutting taxes increased tax revenues] DIDN’T though its a popular right wing talking point.”
That’s a lie. According to the CBO, the Bush tax cuts shifted the total tax burden farther toward the wealthy so that in 2000-2004, total income tax paid by the top 40% of income-earners grew by 4.6% to 99.1% of the total. Tax revenues in 2006 were actually $47 billion above the levels projected by the Congressional budget office before the 2003 tax cuts.
“The Laffer curve was DEBUNKED years ago.”
Lie. It was in fact CONFIRMED. See above. Repeating a lie often enough doesn’t make it true. See below.
“But the right wing draws upon the lessons of their right wing ancestors and know a lie repeated often enough will be accepted by the gullible.”
This coming from a believer in meaningless rhetoric like “Hope and Change” and “Yes We Can.” LOL!

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

“In fact, US soldiers are dying at a record pace in Afghanistan.”
Fighting a war on the ground that we should have done in 2001.
But apparently we needed to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was no threat to us.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 9:31:27 PM
That’s your reasoning for why US soldiers are dying at a record pace in Afghanistan. Wow! Your reasoning powers are astounding!
Or are you just parroting some left-wing talking points?
How do you feel about Obama’s rules of engagement on the battlefield? Are they putting our soldiers in danger and perhaps adding to the high death rate? Or is it the drone policy that’s hardening the enemy and causing an increase in recruits? What’s your military opinion on this Ryan?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

“That’s a lie. According to the CBO, the Bush tax cuts shifted the total tax burden farther toward the wealthy so that in 2000-2004, total income tax paid by the top 40% of income-earners grew by 4.6% to 99.1% of the total. Tax revenues in 2006 were actually $47 billion above the levels projected by the Congressional budget office before the 2003 tax cuts.”
NYT quoting a CBO report
“Jan. 7 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.
Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.”
And if you’re gonna quote the Heritage Foundation garbage, at least give them credit.
“Lie. It was in fact CONFIRMED. See above. Repeating a lie often enough doesn’t make it true. See below.”
The Laffer Curve was debunked when Clinton RAISED taxes.
It was debunked again when Bush cut taxes.
Bush did cut capital gains taxes, whether or not that added to the greed and hubris of Wall Street before it came crashing down, we may never know.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

“yes ryan c thinks taxes should be higher cause he doesn’t pay taxes”
No, I think taxes should be higher because there is no free lunch.
We have spending commitment and an enormous debt.
We were on our way to reducing our debt, but the Bush administration thought that was the wrong way to go.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

“We’re currently killing civilians with drones in Pakistan and Yemen. Did those countries attack us on 9/11?”
While attacking Al Qeuda, the people responsible for 9/11.
I’ve seen hatred of Obama make right wingers say crazy things but defending Al Queda?

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

“We’re currently killing civilians with drones in Pakistan and Yemen. Did those countries attack us on 9/11?”
While attacking Al Qeuda, the people responsible for 9/11.
I’ve seen hatred of Obama make right wingers say crazy things but defending Al Queda?
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 10:05:18 PM
So killing innocent civilians while fighting the enemy is acceptable collateral damage for you? Would it have been acceptable if Bush had ordered the drones?
How do you feel about Obama’s rules of engagement on the battlefield? Are they putting our soldiers in danger and perhaps adding to the high death rate? Or is it the drone policy that’s hardening the enemy and causing an increase in recruits? What’s your military opinion on this Ryan?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

While attacking Al Qeuda, the people responsible for 9/11.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 10:05:18 PM
Killing innocent Pakistanis is morally just because Al Qaeda is there? Is that the same as innocent Iraqis killed because Al Qaeda was there?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

“How do you feel about Obama’s rules of engagement on the battlefield? Are they putting our soldiers in danger and perhaps adding to the high death rate? Or is it the drone policy that’s hardening the enemy and causing an increase in recruits?”
So you are upset that the US has sought to minimize civilian casualties by trying to avoid carpet bombing artillery barrages because that puts soldiers on the ground in danger while also angry at the strategy of using drones to target Al Queda and Taliban because civilians have also died in those strikes?
Cognitive dissonance

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

“Would it have been acceptable if Bush had ordered the drones?”
You have got to be kidding! How many civilians were killed in Iraq while Bush Cheney and Rumsfled muddled their way through it? The difference in scale makes this point ridiculous.

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

“Killing innocent Pakistanis is morally just because Al Qaeda is there? Is that the same as innocent Iraqis killed because Al Qaeda was there?”
Innocents die in war.
Which is why war is not something to be entered into lightly.
Which is why so many Americans are furious about the Iraq War and how we were lied to.
Always amusing when a right winger tries to use my compassion for my fellow human beings against me.
Guess that’s a quality you guys are lacking.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

“So killing innocent civilians while fighting the enemy is acceptable collateral damage for you? Would it have been acceptable if Bush had ordered the drones?”
Its not about acceptable or not acceptable.
Its about reality.
War is a serious business and its not meant for playing dress up.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

You have got to be kidding! How many civilians were killed in Iraq while Bush Cheney and Rumsfled muddled their way through it? The difference in scale makes this point ridiculous.”
Skip,
Did you ever think you would see the day when a right winger was so consumed by hatred of Obama they would lament our war strategy against Al Queda?

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

“Would it have been acceptable if Bush had ordered the drones?”
You have got to be kidding! How many civilians were killed in Iraq while Bush Cheney and Rumsfled muddled their way through it? The difference in scale makes this point ridiculous.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:16:58 PM
Always fun when someone arrives to use a strawman argument. What does Iraq have to do with Obama using drones to kill innocents in Pakistan? Nothing. Obama is given a pass because of who he is and all of a sudden compassionate liberals are silent on this matter. Where are the protestors chaining themselves to the WH fence to oppose the war in Afghanistan? Nowhere. Liberals are suddenly defending the war and saying war is hell. Unbelievable.
Even if Iraq had never happened, Bush would have been blasted for fighting “the just war” this long.
It’s all hypocritical. Try to deny it.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

I find it particularly heinous to fake concern for civilian casualties of drone attacks while at the very same time trying to undermine support for the ROE designed to limit…civilian casualties.

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Did you ever think you would see the day when a right winger was so consumed by hatred of Obama they would lament our war strategy against Al Queda?
—————–
I was convinced they were going to make Ahmadinejad an honorary member of the GOP there for awhile.

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Where are the protestors chaining themselves to the WH fence to oppose the war in Afghanistan? Nowhere. Liberals are suddenly defending the war and saying war is hell.”
Pssssst most liberals SUPPORTED and continue to support the war in Afghanistan.
It was the war in iraq, that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was no threat to us though the Bush admin did their best to lie to us about it, that liberals and MOST Americans have an issue with.
The anti war (any war) people are still around.
They had a protest on the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq as they do every year.
FoxNews doesn’t want to show you that footage because it would make the tea parties look small by comparison.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

I find it particularly heinous to fake concern for civilian casualties of drone attacks while at the very same time trying to undermine support for the ROE designed to limit…civilian casualties.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:28:38 PM
Fake concern – because you know me so well?
“particularly heinous” You must be outraged. Can you see straight to type? Maybe you should join the military, if you haven’t served already. You could really help save some civilians.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

“Obama using drones to kill innocents in Pakistan?”
Obama doesn’t use drones to kill innocents, he uses drones to kill enemies. Are you really this conceptually challenged or can you not utter a single un-propagandized sentence?

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

“I was convinced they were going to make Ahmadinejad an honorary member of the GOP there for awhile.”
Its just bizarre.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

“Obama using drones to kill innocents in Pakistan?”
Obama doesn’t use drones to kill innocents, he uses drones to kill enemies. Are you really this conceptually challenged or can you not utter a single un-propagandized sentence?
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:37:21 PM
Of course, semantics. I was wondering when that would enter the discussion. Pitiful. When do we get back defending what the President is doing?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

“Fake concern – because you know me so well?”
I’ll make a note of it…I don’t expect to see you ever criticize the ROE then, because they’re designed to limit casualties. If we infuriate the locals how are we ever going to succeed?

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

Just because I think right wingers are stupid does not mean I don’t feel compassion for them.
Maybe not as much compassion as most other folks but still.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 10:39:23 PM
Well good news for right wingers. Innocent war victims? Eh, not so much. Oh well. It’s not like they’ll ever know you could have demonstrated against the war in any MEANINGFUL way – like going to the WH and holding up a sign or anything. Better to post your compassion on a blog and say “innocents die in war.”

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

If we infuriate the locals how are we ever going to succeed?
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:44:29 PM
So you haven’t read any history on this region, then.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

“like going to the WH and holding up a sign or anything”
Have you?

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

“So you haven’t read any history on this region, then”
Go on…

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

“So you haven’t read any history on this region, then”
So I shouldn’t be disappointed then if you really don’t know of any documented history of success in Afghanistan by infuriating the local populations.

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

“like going to the WH and holding up a sign or anything”
Have you?
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:54:53 PM
I know liberals – I’m sorry, progressives – like to accuse neocons of not doing something they aren’t likely to do anyway… but the questions is has Ryan, the compassionate one, done this. I await Ryan’s response (he probably has to check with Axey first for the appropriate response).

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

“So you haven’t read any history on this region, then”
So I shouldn’t be disappointed then if you really don’t know of any documented history of success in Afghanistan by infuriating the local populations.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 11:04:51 PM
I believe the query was direct to you. I await your response. Please let me know how our actions might lead to success with Afghanistan’s long standing history of tribalism in mind. Bullet points will do.

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Meanwhile the NYDailyNews reports vice president Joe Biden warning his fellow kamerads, “As things heat up, you can expect House Democrats will be hit with a GOP blitzkrieg of vicious Swift-Boat-style attack ads, Karl Rove-inspired knockout tactics, thinly veiled attempts at character assassination and tea party disruptions.”
. . . uh, also known as ‘free speech’. When do the thin skinned Democrats ever get the point that what they dish out, they should expect to receive in kind? I’m not holding my breath on this revelation, since the Democrats believe that only THEY, the pure as white snow, are the only ones allowed to smear their opponent.
Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it!

Posted by: EPU | June 30, 2010, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

“I know liberals – I’m sorry, progressives – like to accuse neocons of not doing something they aren’t likely to do anyway”
I realize that you are slow on the pickup unless one uses a Glenn Beck voice and chalkboard but let me help you out here.
I support the effort in Afghanistan. I have always supported that effort.
Its the Iraq war which was based on a lie.
More than 4000 Americans died and tens of thousands more were maimed so Bush could pretend he was a tough guy after looking weak on 9/11.
Afghanistan apparently was not a big enough move.

Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

I don’t expect to see you ever criticize the ROE then, because they’re designed to limit casualties. If we infuriate the locals how are we ever going to succeed?
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 10:44:29 PM
“Another key element Gen. Petraeus must address are rules of engagement (ROE) that critics contend expose NATO soldiers to enemy fire unnecessarily, even as they fail to reduce the number of civilians killed in the conflict. While the exact details of ROE are never made public to avoid exploitation by enemy forces, McCrystal’s orders were restrictive enough that they have been directly blamed for the deaths of American soldiers. Critic have claimed that under the current rules, our troops are not allowed to open fire with their small arms unless they come under enemy fire first.
“It is already well known that allied forces have been hampered with ROE that frustrates their efforts to call for fire support during combat. Rumors have swirled that commanders in the rear have denied or delayed artillery and air support to units under fire out of concern that Taliban and al Qaeda forces were using Afghan civilians as human sheilds.” Washington Examiner

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

“I await your response”
I don’t need to know anything about the history of Afghanistan to correctly surmise that infuriating the local populations will not help our cause. You’re engaging in subterfuge.

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

“Funny how in the real world Obama campaigned on doing exactly what he’s doing and won a large victory in the last election, less than 2 years ago.” – jhw539 – Location: la la land
ding-a-ling – ding-a-ling
Hey jhw539, pick up the phone, reality’s calling.
NoBo didn’t campaign on his agenda. If he did he could have accomplished the impossible, losing to a Republican after Bush. He was unspecific on purpose.
All we got was a 5lb &%#t bag filled with 10lbs of Hope and Change and Say No to 4 more years of Bush.

Posted by: Noz | June 30, 2010, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

I don’t need to know anything about the history of Afghanistan to correctly surmise that infuriating the local populations will not help our cause. You’re engaging in subterfuge.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 11:39:35 PM
Wow that was deep. Subterfuge. So you haven’t studied the history of Afghanistan then?

Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Posted by: MM | Jun 30, 2010 11:29:55 PM
The Washington Examiner?..When are you people going to stop trying to pass off tabloid right-wing sources as unbiased reporting? How many troops would we lose if every time we wanted to hit one of these enemy leaders we had to air-drop a combat team to go after them instead of an air attack?

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

“Wow that was deep”
Simple deductive reasoning without need for further complication to muddy the waters [I'll stick to metaphors].

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2010, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

The Washington Examiner?..When are you people going to stop trying to pass off tabloid right-wing sources as unbiased reporting?
Posted by: Skip | Jun 30, 2010 11:50:12 PM
So (in spite of the typos) the facts are wrong?
Critics do not “contend [the ROE] expose NATO soldiers to enemy fire unnecessarily, even as they fail to reduce the number of civilians killed in the conflict.”?
Critic have not “claimed that under the current rules, our troops are not allowed to open fire with their small arms unless they come under enemy fire first.”?
Allied forces have not been “hampered with ROE that frustrates their efforts to call for fire support during combat.”?

Posted by: MM | July 1, 2010, 12:18 am 12:18 am

“NoBo didn’t campaign on his agenda. If he did he could have accomplished the impossible, losing to a Republican after Bush.”
Let’s see, financial reform, healthcare reform, changing the focus of the war from iraq to Afghanistan, improving the world view of America…etc etc
The energy bill is next.
Seems like his campaign to me.
But then again I actually paid attention.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 1, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am

The US never lost a single battle in Vietnam. Blockheads will never understand how it is possible to lose a war in which you win every battle.
Success = withdrawal

Posted by: Flash Override | July 1, 2010, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Feingold is right, the fin-reg doesn’t go half as far as it needs to.

Posted by: Flash Override | July 1, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am

“But then again I actually paid attention.” – Ryan Clinquant
Impossible.
If that were so you wouldn’t be supporting everything Bama in these threads.
Your actions give you away.

Posted by: Noz | July 1, 2010, 9:44 am 9:44 am

He should leave GOP bashing to the subordinates.. it’s very un-Presidential.. don’t whack around at your goofy competitors, they are pretty good at undermining themselves. Remember they ‘gave’ you the White House, you shouldn’t be admonishing them.. you should wake up every morning and thank them with all your heart.

Posted by: Dontget818 | July 1, 2010, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Where are the protestors chaining themselves to the WH fence to oppose the war in Afghanistan? Nowhere.
————-
You know, I often suspect that conservatives live in bubbles, and this just proves it. Have you ever walked by the White House and checked out who is protesting what? Please… if you are interested in peace, or are simply anti-war, then get informed. There are movements for you.
Your issue is actually with the press, though you don’t seem to know that.
Ever hear of Congressman Alan Grayson? Check out his post at Huff Po called Which Party Is the Peace Party? there are several links in the article.
The misinformation in your post is annoying.

Posted by: progressive mama | July 1, 2010, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Let’s see, financial reform, healthcare reform, changing the focus of the war from iraq to Afghanistan, improving the world view of America…etc etc
The energy bill is next.
Seems like his campaign to me.
But then again I actually paid attention.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 1, 2010 12:43:27
Spot on.
Did you all see that a poll of 238 presidential scholars puts good ole Dubya among the five worst presidents in U.S. history (rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence) ? And the five best were pretty much progressives/liberals– Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
Obama comes in at 15th.
Interesting. One year into his presidency, when Bush was still rather popular, he came in at 23rd.

Posted by: progressive mama | July 1, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

“Spot on. ” – ProMa
Well time to get some spot remover.
I’ve read in published print media that Obama comes in first place for the worst president ever displacing Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Noz | July 1, 2010, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

The misinformation in your post is annoying.
Posted by: progressive mama | Jul 1, 2010 5:07:05 PM
Maybe you’ll get back here, maybe you won’t but I’ll post anyway.
With the exception of a few individuals, no WAR protest take place at the White House. If there were, I’m sure Fox News would be covering them!
I am not interested in other protests. I speak strictly of war protests, as my previous post stated.
Prove I’m wrong with something concrete instead of some vague generalities and telling me I’m uninformed.

Posted by: MM | July 1, 2010, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

I support the effort in Afghanistan. I have always supported that effort.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 11:29:30 PM
Then you have always supported a war that was mis-managed after the initial banishment of the Taliban and has resulted in the deaths of many soldiers and innocent citizen. But hey if your cool with that…
No one will EVER win in Afghanistan. We do not understand the country or the people who live there and have lived there for thousands of years. What worked in Iraq will never work in Afghanistan.

Posted by: MM | July 1, 2010, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

If there were, I’m sure Fox News would be covering them!
———–
Yeah, sure/ sarc.
See ,”D.C. antiwar march draws thousands on seventh-anniversary of Iraq invasion” and “While Giving Obsessive Coverage To The Tea Parties, Media Ignored Larger Anti-War Rally”, both from March 2010

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 1:43 am 1:43 am

Posted by: Noz | Jul 1, 2010 8:50:17 PM
Hmmm.. I find a a poll of 238 presidential scholars more interesting than anonymous published print media mentioned offhand by hyperpartisans, but, cough, maybe that’s just me.
If anyone else wants to read the poll, check out SIENA RESEARCH INSTITUTE, American Presidents: Greatest and Worst,
Siena’s 5th Presidential Expert Poll 1982 – 2010 (they conduct the poll every 8 years, I think)

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 1:51 am 1:51 am

I’ve read in published print media ….
Personally, I find a poll of 238 scholars (see Siena Research Institute) more interesting than anonymous published print media– and I find the results more in keeping with my observations: they ranked George W. among the five worst presidents in U.S. history (rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence).
Their top five and bottom five sound about right to me.

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 1:57 am 1:57 am

Since this post refers to Boehner, and he was all over the news today… what do you make of him not refuting Joe Scarborough’s claim that every Republican he knows says Boehner is more interesting in hitting the DC bars every night — by 5 or 6– than doing his job.
Maybe he was drunk when he yelled on the House floor, or made his bad ant analogy, or made his big stand about paying an extra few bucks for his tanning bed habit. lol. (Tanned congressman look better in bar lighting?) And maybe that’s why he always gets the little things wrong (like the deepwater drilling moratorium applying to, um, deepwater drilling…)
See also Gail Collins, The Most Unhappy Fellow

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 2:08 am 2:08 am

Posted by: progressive mama | Jul 2, 2010 1:57:20 AM
OK, not too bad a poll ProMa but you should have enough wisdom to be a bit more skeptical. These “scholars” had GWB at 23rd and now they dropped him to 39th. Are they just fickle? Shouldn’t they give GWB some props for at least getting Obama elected? Are they influenced by the Media Spin?
btw, I’d rank GWB fairly low too for abandoning his conservative principals and spending too much money.
The biggest RED FLAG is that they have the 2 Roosevelts 1 and 2 above Lincoln Jefferson and “gasp” Washington. That means the pool of Presidential Scholars were skewered towards Progressivism. Maybe you should look for a Poll of Presidential Scholars who value the Constitution and see what the results are.

Posted by: Noz | July 2, 2010, 8:18 am 8:18 am

See ,”D.C. antiwar march draws thousands on seventh-anniversary of Iraq invasion”
Posted by: progressive mama | Jul 2, 2010 1:43:11 AM
Which has what to do with protesting the war in Afghanistan?
Your not there yet…

Posted by: MM | July 2, 2010, 8:58 am 8:58 am

“Then you have always supported a war that was mis-managed after the initial banishment of the Taliban and has resulted in the deaths of many soldiers and innocent citizen”
True,
Bush showed incredible idiocy botching Afghanistan to focus his attention on iraq.
Thankfully Obama is correcting that.
Its so funny to watch you wail for the Taliban and Al Qeuda.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 2, 2010, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

“I am not interested in other protests. I speak strictly of war protests,”
There’s this thing called google.
You may want to search war protests.
Also Wikipedia has some info.

Posted by: Ryan C | July 2, 2010, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Are they just fickle?
——–
Nope. He was president for seven more years (they do the poll every 8 years, I think)
And the point is that progressives make the best Presidents.
Scholars agree. Lots of them.

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Your not there yet…
Posted by: MM | Jul 2, 2010 8:58:04 AM
Actually, you’re wrong. Read the article I mentioned or google (or see Wikipedia) regarding either Protests against the War in Afghanistan or March 20, 2010 anti-war protest—
Pay attention to the part that says it was a big anti-war protest the wars in Iraq AND Afghanistan.
Also see Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER) which helped organize the event, and pay attention to the post under the heading : “March 20, 2010
Thousands Take to the Streets to Demand:
U.S. Out of Afghanistan and Iraq Now!”

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Actually, you’re wrong. Read the article I mentioned or google (or see Wikipedia) regarding either Protests against the War in Afghanistan or March 20, 2010 anti-war protest—
Posted by: progressive mama | Jul 2, 2010 5:57:07 PM
From the MUSLIM OBSERVER:
“Transportation to Washington, D.C., was organized from over 50 cities in 20 states. Demonstrators rallied and marched shoulder to shoulder to demand “U.S. Out of Iraq and Afghanistan Now,” “Free Palestine,” “Reparations for Haiti” and “No sanctions against Iran” as well as “Money for jobs, education and health care!””
Too funny. Free Palestine. Reparations for Haiti.
You almost had me there mama. Maybe I shouldn’t have been so vague. Try a REAL protest against the war in Afghanistan. Good grief.

Posted by: MM | July 2, 2010, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

Bush showed incredible idiocy botching Afghanistan to focus his attention on iraq.
Thankfully Obama is correcting that.
Its so funny to watch you wail for the Taliban and Al Qeuda.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 2, 2010 3:02:01 PM
Bush managed to give Iraq a chance but the complete history on that has not been written. He did not realize the mess that is Afghanistan but I disagree that without Iraq anything in Afghanistan would have changed. And I disagree that Obama is changing anything except for the worse.
The history of Afghanistan is clear. The future also. If you can debate otherwise, I welcome your opinion.

Posted by: MM | July 2, 2010, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Posted by: MM | Jul 2, 2010 9:37:46 PM
You were wrong.
There is still an anti-war movement, and protests Fox News fails to cover.
Period.
AS for being real, according to your ilk I’m not real, right? Or don’t live in real America, or whatever. You know, that grotesque elitism thing that Sarah Palin and those of her type have down (See The Grotesque Elitism of Sarah Palin, Leon Wieseltier, Washington Diarist, TNR)So worrying about what you consider “real” isn’t a concern as the answer is nothing outside your limited tribe and worldview, yes?
lol.

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

The history of Afghanistan is clear. The future also. …
Posted by: MM | Jul 2, 2010 9:45:25 PM
So are you in agreement with Michael Steele, then, in the video footage that emerged, and if so, what do you think of the walk backs (lol, classic!) and the calls for his resignation?

Posted by: progressive mama | July 2, 2010, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Feingold is right, the fin-reg doesn’t go half as far as it needs to.

Posted by: kamagra | March 6, 2011, 5:58 am 5:58 am

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