The Civilian Expeditionary Force: Obama Says ‘Burden’ Can’t be All on the Military
From Sunlen Miller
During his town hall in Racine, Wisconsin today President Obama spoke about the civilian expeditionary force within his National Security Strategy.
“We just got to be smart about using all the elements of American power, not just one element of American power,” he said.
The president pointed to Iraq and Afghanistan where military personnel are having to engage in work that he said really should be civilian work– like building schools and bridges — because of under-resourcing on the civilian side
“The problem is — is that we don't have a civilian effort that has always matched up to the military effort. So the military goes in there, they clear out everything, they're — they're making everything secure, and now the question is, all right, can we get the civilians to come in to work with the local governments to improve the situation? And a lot of times that civilian side of it has been under-resourced.”
Mr. Obama said the burden should not be all on the military.
“Make sure that we've got a civilian expeditionary force that, when we go out into some village somewhere and the military makes it secure, let's have that agricultural specialist right there, let’s have that person who knows how to train a police force right there, let's — let's have all those personnel and let's make sure that we are giving them the support that they need in order for us to be successful on our mission.”
The president warned that if the civilian side is shortchanged it could lead to another “very dangerous situation” if the diplomatic work is not done and “the only solution is a military solution that might cost us five times as much.”
Within the administration’s National Security Strategy – released at the end of May – one of the components is a civilian expeditionary force which the White House says is “fundamental” to national security.
“Our diplomatic personnel and missions must be expanded at home and abroad to support the increasingly transnational nature of 21st century security challenges,” the NSS writes, “And we must provide the appropriate authorities and mechanisms to implement and coordinate assistance programs and grow the civilian expeditionary capacity required to assist governments on a diverse array of issues.”
-Sunlen Miller
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That’s why our taxes should pay for these wars, not borrowed money from the Chinese or the Fed’s printing press. Then unwise wars would not take place.
Posted by: Huh | June 30, 2010, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
OBAMA-NOV 1-2008″ “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded (as the military)” OBAMA TODAY- “The problem is — is that we don’t have a civilian effort that has always matched up to the military effort” (we need to)grow the civilian expeditionary capacity required to assist governments on a diverse array of issues.”…at home and abroad” OH OH..heerree we go America…
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
This will be Obama’s Praetorian Guard. Once created, it will be a home to union thugs, leftists, Marxists, Maoists and community organizers. Then will come the pretext (i.e. fabricated emergency) to station these revolutionaries in our cities, state capitals and any other place they are needed to “assist” the local population in seeing the light of the Anointed One.
Posted by: Bill | June 30, 2010, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
The press had a STINK over the patriot act…where are they on this??? HELLO?? HELLOOOO???!!!
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Founded on November 4, 2008 and soon to be lead by General Eric Holder….Scary Times….
Posted by: Parallex View | June 30, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Attacking Republicans is a lot easier than explaining to the citizens of Racine, who face 14 percent unemployment, why one in every 10 Americans in our workforce is unemployed nearly 18 months after the president’s trillion-dollar ‘stimulus’ spending bill was enacted …
Posted by: talk from sf | June 30, 2010, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Shame on you ABC for giving the President a free pass!!!!!!
Posted by: usmcsmile | June 30, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
He’s not even making sense anymore. He wants to send civilians to Irag and Afghanistan?
Or, as usual with Obama, does he just want whatever excuse he can find to establish something, and then use it for his intended, but never revealed, purposes? Notice the slip where he says he needs this force for “diplomacy here at home”. Huh, Barack? Diplomacy…at home? That’s not diplomacy. That’s local law enforcement.
Posted by: Frederick | June 30, 2010, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Why in the world would the US need an enternal security force? This shot is a new spin on his original intent to create a govt. security force, per his Nov. 2008 public speech.
For what purpose? We have the peace Corp. right. Why do we think we need an independent force, with the power of the military and it’s equipment.
Who would it report to?
Through out history, these military groups are associated with supression
of political thought & actions.
Thank God Nov. is only 4 months away.
Posted by: BK | June 30, 2010, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Obamacrat for Palin you never supported the president with that type of statement. Stop making false statements
Posted by: TV | June 30, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
So you have a “skills draft” and “civillian national security force” (what you mean STASI?, oh yeah we already have that under the Patriot Act!) and Obama now has the authority to assasinate AMERICAN citizens not only overseas but HERE! It was reported in the New York Times, the newspaper of record, so it must be true!
Let’s see he gave ALL of our money to billionaire bankers, re-established another war in Afghanistan (america’s longest BTW)to keep the poppy trade going, and wants his supporters (yes the number is dwindling) to “get in the face” of those who dare to disagree with his authoritarian (and ironically Bush-Cheney like) policies…
Yeah, I can see why you are mad and disrespectful towards the American people over him. I really do… Tell me, have you misplaced your meds, or have you lost your presciption?
Posted by: CBA | June 30, 2010, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
The scariest thing in America is a civilian expeditionary force. To what purpose will it be put to? Nothing good will come out of this monstrosity of an idea.
Posted by: j011254 | June 30, 2010, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
bill. glad to see you woke up but, it is too late it is folks like you that voted this clown in and put our country under, you and the other sheep are to blame, shame on you … look what you have done to our children and grandchildren, our country will never recover from obama and his crooks,,,
Posted by: frostwhite | June 30, 2010, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
He’s so charmingly naive.
700,000 lost jobs a month huh? Always nice to cite the bottom pitch of a major recession as the per month average.
Remember way back in 2005 when the private sector was hiring not the public sector. You know, that sector that actually creates wealth and produces something other than arrogant bureaucrats that hardly pay for benefits, retire at 50, and then reapply for another job of government gruel.
So at the same time that Obama is requesting billions of dollars to save “teachers, firefighters, and policemen” we are also experiencing this totally awesome “unprecedented” economic recovery. Whatever world you guys are living in, it is not reality. So truly which one, do we need to pile money to the states or are we just exploding in Obama awesome economic fantasticness. You can’t pick both, brotha, that’s your problem.
Posted by: Aaron | June 30, 2010, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Aaron, in 2005 the ‘private sector’ as you euphemistically call it was busy sucking all the wealth out of our people.
Don’t count businesses and corporations among the producers. People produce wealth, executives steal it.
Posted by: Flash Override | June 30, 2010, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
This is another attempt to create a military like force, not subject to posse comitatus, and can be turned on the american public. These are dangerous times. We have traitors in our midst.
Posted by: ditchdigger2 | June 30, 2010, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Through out history, when was an internal security unit, or seperate police group used for the good of the people? This is not a kingdom. This is the United States, created by free enterprise and incentives to succeed.
No, we have 4 branches of military
organization. We don’t need a private army. Why does Obama think he needs one?
A civilian group, should never have the unlimited power of the military.
Posted by: BK | June 30, 2010, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Actually I believe the Prez was talking about using the Che Revolutionary Brigade in Afghanistan. That includes the ACLU, NAACP, San Fran, parts of NYC and all of the Democratic Congressional Caucus.
Posted by: jerry | June 30, 2010, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Because only “Big Business” is the private sector and only scary Republicans are owned by “Big Business”, right? No Democrats take any big business money or ever write regulations or set-asides for their favorite customers.
If you are going to so economically ignorant as to cite 700,000 lost jobs per month, at least be accurate and true to yourself and list which party was in charge of both houses of Congress from 2006 on, and oh by the way, which part of our 3 part government writes the budget and controls the purse strings?
Ain’t so simple is it? So are we doing economically awesome right now, or are we bailing out the states, still waiting for your enlightening answer. Because I’m just so much better off in 2010 than I was in 2008. Oh wait a minute, not much has changed at all, has it?
Posted by: Aaron | June 30, 2010, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
This will be Obama’s Praetorian Guard. Once created, it will be a home to union thugs, leftists, Marxists, Maoists and community organizers.
Posted by: Bill | Jun 30, 2010 5:56:42 PM
Delusional paranoia and fear mongering. This is what the Republicans have to offer the nation.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Dictator has already demonstrated his true motives. The only hope for this nation is the electoral process to cleanse this nation of the reprobates that deny the Constitution and hate our heritage. Hopefully they will flee to the banana republics they came from.
Posted by: Bill | June 30, 2010, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Obama is too smart by half..His handlers obviously feel that this is the moment to push for the civilian “expeditionary” force under the guise of using it to “save” the mission in Afghanistan..so clever, but way too obvious. Schools, police..let me guess..firefighters too? Sounds like this force will be unionized, no? And the “force” at home can conduct expeditionary “sweeps” through our neighborhoods ..checking to make sure thermostats are set “right”..that sprinkers aren’t used too often, that no one is hiding a chevy truck in their garage…
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Back in 2008, Obama made this chilling pledge: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
This was an unprecedented and vague initiative. The mainstream media, including ABC News, didn’t exhibit even the slightest bit of curiosity and never investigated what he meant during his entire campaign. Now why would that be?
Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
“Posted by: Mary | Jun 30, 2010 8:31:41 PM”
Here’s the whole quote versus what you parroted from the right wing media.
FactCheck: ”
Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.
People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.”
Right wingers would be better off saying the truth, that they fear Obama because of his skin color instead of making things up.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Mary, the media isn’t sloppy, or lazy.. they are activist.. they are engaged in purposeful malpractice. Why ignore this scary story?..because lets be honest, this “civilian force” will be the new green police, created to enforce the new regulations that come about under cap and trade. (what the heck else can they do that isn’t already beeing done?) Waxman’s legislation had a section banning lamps used to light art-work ..well, who is going to enforce these new rules?..you guessed it! he civilian expeditionary FORCE..just think of all the jobs created and all the energy saved!
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
“because lets be honest, this “civilian force” will be the new green police, created to enforce the new regulations that come about under cap and trade.”
I am truly amazed that right wingers are even able to post here as they seem to live in eternal fear of non existent things.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
“If you are going to so economically ignorant as to cite 700,000 lost jobs per month, at least be accurate and true to yourself and list which party was in charge of both houses of Congress from 2006 on”
The Democrats took control of Congress in 2007.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Right wingers would be better off saying the truth, that they fear Obama because of his skin color instead of making things up.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 8:49:52 PM
Ryan, go peddle that crap somewhere else.
Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Mary, here is what he said today: “Make sure that we’ve got a civilian expeditionary force that, when we go out into some village somewhere and the military makes it secure, let’s have that agricultural specialist right there, let’s have that person who knows how to train a police force right there, let’s — let’s have all those personnel and let’s make sure that we are giving them the support that they need in order for us to be successful on our mission.”
This is not a new concept with him. He has mentioned many time before. Instead of being a left-wing lemming, perhaps you can use your acute critical thinking to analyze why Obama would want a force apart from the military and existing law enforcement. If you weren’t blinded by your love cult for the Anointed One, you would see the obvious truth staring you in the face.
Posted by: Bill | June 30, 2010, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Aaron, in 2005 the ‘private sector’ as you euphemistically call it was busy sucking all the wealth out of our people.
Don’t count businesses and corporations among the producers. People produce wealth, executives steal it.
Posted by: Flash Override | Jun 30, 2010 7:36:38 PM
Yeah, like the executives that waltzed through Fannie Mae, collecting their “cooked books” bonuses. Good that you mentioned them though.
Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength we can end this destructive conflict,and restore order to the galaxy.
Posted by: Mike L | June 30, 2010, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Ryan, Mary’s cliff notes version was less scary than your full blown quote. Thanks for sharing though..
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 8:49:52 PM
Your “whole quote” is even scarier than Mary’s parroted right wing whatever.
But I’m sure you’ll be happy serving.
Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
The Democrats took control of Congress in 2007.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jun 30, 2010 8:58:47 PM
Yeah, we know. They won a majority in Nov 2006 and took control in jan 2007. Blah, blah, blah. Do you sit in front of your computer waiting for someone to type 2006 or does it come directly to your Inbox?
Posted by: MM | June 30, 2010, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
I am truly amazed that right wingers are even able to post here as they seem to live in eternal fear of non existent things.-RYAN
well Ryan, I’m amazed that lefties are able to post the same old racist accusations against anyone who disagrees with Obama.
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
“Ryan, go peddle that crap somewhere else.”
The truth hurts.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
“Ryan, Mary’s cliff notes version was less scary than your full blown quote. Thanks for sharing though..”
IOW, its was more than 1 sentence and the right wingers here could not be trouble to read more than that.
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
“But I’m sure you’ll be happy serving.”
Sure.
Volunteering is never a waste of one’s time.
I realize the concept of volunteering one’s time without getting one’s picture in the church newsletter may seem like a waste to right wingers but it really is not about you.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Ryan C: “Right wingers would be better off saying the truth, that they fear Obama because of his skin color instead of making things up.”
YAWN!!
Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2010, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Ryan..when you level an accusation such as racism against someone you have never met just because they disagree with you, it totally erases your credibilty. I don’t agree with alot of what you post, but you defend your beliefs and I can respect that..some people default to the racist stuff because they are too lazy to make their case..you don’t seem to be that type, so why do it?
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
“If you find a job and work for a living, your perspective might change about normal people who love the Constitution and value productivity”
See that is what slays me….that right wingers who claim to honor hard work and value productivity want to do everything they can to protect the companies who openly rip you off.
As if pursuit of profit margin has some morality to it.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“If you find a job and work for a living, your perspective might change about normal people who love the Constitution and value productivity”
See that is what slays me….that right wingers who claim to honor hard work and value productivity want to do everything they can to protect the companies who openly rip you off.
As if pursuit of profit margin has some morality to it.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
so Ryan, are you personally/philosophically/politically against working for money?
Posted by: cindy | June 30, 2010, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
“so Ryan, are you personally/philosophically/politically against working for money?”
No, I am against not working for money.
Which is why I support the estate tax.
Posted by: Ryan C | June 30, 2010, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
“Make sure that we’ve got a civilian expeditionary force that, when we go out into some village somewhere and the military makes it secure, let’s have that agricultural specialist right there, let’s have that person who knows how to train a police force right there, let’s — let’s have all those personnel and let’s make sure that we are giving them the support that they need in order for us to be successful on our mission.” – President Obama
President Obama is talking like some sort of fool here.
When, during the war in Afghanistan has there ever been a safe time to bring in civilians?
Only just recently in Iraq could you even think of it and we are almost out of there. A civilian expeditionary force would just increase the money we are spending. Kind of foolish.
That said, I think this is one of O’Bama’s greatest ideas as long as it’s a volunteer force.
I’m sure lots of Libs and Progressives would want to be part of the civilian expeditionary force and help their fellow man. Then when things go south the loss would be bearable. It’s kind of a Darwin survival of the fittest experiment that employs bleeding heart human guinea pigs. Sounds like a Big Plus for the Species. Go for it NoBo!
Posted by: Noz | June 30, 2010, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
I don’t know any right wingers who accept welfare checks.They certainly work harder than the freeloaders who make up a large percentage of the Democrat party.
Posted by: Nephron | June 30, 2010, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Whoa, hang on America, here we go! Obama’s ‘Civil Expeditionary Force’ idea has finally hit the headlines. How long did it take the media to report this one? Three years? Meanwhile they called those calling out Obama on this as “crackpot conspiracy theorists trying to belittle a ‘heart of gold’ candidate”. Well here we are now with Obama’s final solution for America taking effect.
Posted by: EPU | June 30, 2010, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I find it eerily coincidental that Obama’s new ‘civil expeditionary force’ is within his National Security Strategy (NSS). Yes, it is dubbed the NSS. Take away the N and you’ve got the very same outfit used in 1939 Germany for exactly the very same purpose Obama is proposing to use his stromtroopers for:
Obama’s NSS: “grow the civilian expeditionary capacity required to assist governments on a diverse array of issues.”
What could those “diverse array of issues” possibly consist of? This blanket statement is so vague that it could include anything.
Posted by: EPU | June 30, 2010, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
No, I am against not working for money.
Which is why I support the estate tax.
Posted by: Ryan C |
And why you were opposed to extending unemployment benefits.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | June 30, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Okay, so NOW are the references to WWII and Obama beginning to make sense??? Hello???
It’s called the Peace Corps (or corpse in POTUS speak).
The world doesn’t need Barack’s private banana republic army.
Posted by: Teddy | July 1, 2010, 12:26 am 12:26 am
What happen to the USA that I grew up in? We were Americans who cared for each other! We are in troubled times at this point in our history… Should we not try to work together as a Nation to overcome these trials and tribulations? Throwing blame does nothing to improve our situation… We need to join together and fight as a team to improve the mess we are finding ourselves in… Try volunteering in your town to help with the problems that face you and your neighbors…. blaming the President does no good!!! If you are not happy, vote at the next election – this is what our great country is all about, freedom!!!! God Bless the USA
Posted by: j nesbit | July 1, 2010, 1:45 am 1:45 am
This civilian force is going to be subject to attacks by the Taliban. How many civilians are willing to go to a country where there is religious intolerance and corruption and violence? The Taliban don’t want Americans in their country and are willing to kill them to remain in their backwards ignorance. I wouldn’t want to put my life on the line to build something only to have the Taliban blow it up and take me out along with it.
Posted by: Bob | July 1, 2010, 7:47 am 7:47 am
“As if pursuit of profit margin has some morality to it. ”
Without profit as an incentive, why would anyone invest in or start a small business? What is immoral about someone wanting to do that?
Posted by: Sigmonde | July 1, 2010, 7:53 am 7:53 am
what in the world is this fool thinking???!!!!
Posted by: mj | July 1, 2010, 8:09 am 8:09 am
Okay, then what is the civil Affairs Community supposed to do? The military already has a mechanism in place to do all the things he is talking about. Sounds like he might be afraid of people in this country who disgree with his agenda – something to think about.
Posted by: mj | July 1, 2010, 8:13 am 8:13 am
“Okay, then what is the civil Affairs Community supposed to do?”
It sounds like this would be a civilian “army” sent to places like Iraq or Afghanistan, armed with good intentions, to instill in the locals the value of peace, harmony and bigger government. Certainly, the locals would welcome this intrusion into their society.
Posted by: Sigmonde | July 1, 2010, 8:40 am 8:40 am
“Try volunteering in your town to help with the problems that face you and your neighbors….” – j nesbit
Check, yep, already do that.
“blaming the President does no good!!!” – j nesbit
Yes it does do good.
It helps people identify and understand where the problem lies.
Can’t fix a problem if you don’t know where it originates from.
Posted by: Noz | July 1, 2010, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Posted by: Sigmonde | Jul 1, 2010 8:40:45 AM
You know Sigmonde, you elegantly distilled the idea down to a paragraph.
The way you word it, it’s easy to see that the idea of a civilian expeditionary force (CEF) may have merit.
I think the President should now seize the opportunity and prove to the world what a good idea it is. He should gather volunteers to go into Marjah now. Don’t wait, we need to do it right away. I think Valerie Jarrett would be an excellent leader of this first thrust of the CEF. She should recruit other like minded souls from Harvard and Yale, a good 200 should be enough. They can go into Marjah by the end of July and start to make a difference right away.
How smart is this?
The president has an idea for a costly program and he must prove it’s validity before going to congress for funding.
If NoBo would only have done that with health care before passing the bill we’d be a lot better off.
Posted by: Noz | July 1, 2010, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Iragistan needs more community organizers.. maybe one can be the chief executive.. one day.
Posted by: Dontget818 | July 1, 2010, 9:55 am 9:55 am
j nesbit ” blaming the President does no good!!! ” Then why is he blaming everything on the republicans????? He knew when he run for President that there were 2 wars, an economic crisis and problem with immigration, remember when he said that there were no blue or red states just united states, jet he has done a very, very good job of dividing the country by openly shunning the opposition and working ONLY with the democrats.
Posted by: Lizzie | July 1, 2010, 10:34 am 10:34 am
This is a job for the UN, not the US alone, and should be set up to involve the Afghan people themselves as much as possible.
Posted by: NJmom77 | July 1, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Obama…How is he going to control “Civilian Expeditionary Force” from committing abuses when he can’t even…..wait for it…control his Attorney General Eric Holder from committing abuses??????
ryanc…Let me see if I can put the concept of “Profit” in the liberal plus column in elementary terms in which you will be able to grasp….Profit is used for Research and Development, which includes supporting our largely liberal academic system. Profit is used to expand production facilities; thus creating jobs of which some may go to support illegals. Profit may be used to support community based projects such as those projects run by our Prez. Profit is used to determine the health of our economy…ummm on second thought, maybe profit is not such a good thing on this point for the sake of the current administration strike this one…So you see ryan c profit is beneficial….
Posted by: Parallex View | July 1, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
It is absolutely beyond me how these people in the audience at this town hall meeting standing behind Obama can applaud this socialistic moron who never had a real job in his life, was always coddled and pampered, and hasn’t a clue what it really is to be a true American! What are you people thinking? Are you getting paid for standing there and applauding this phony who is bringing down this great country before our very eyes? Where do they find you people? Your state has lost so many jobs that he and his administration are the cause of and you are still bowing to him like he is some king who will still bring you that change that you voted for! I have news for you, the change is here and we will be real lucky if we ever get out of this mess!
Posted by: bandjnca | July 1, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
What is the peace corps for 100 Alex?
Posted by: BayAreaPatriot | July 1, 2010, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Ryan C: “See that is what slays me….that right wingers who claim to honor hard work and value productivity want to do everything they can to protect the companies who openly rip you off.”
Since you and other liberals think most businesses are corrupt institutes looking to horde as much money as possible through any means possible, then I can understand your confusion. Those on the right recognize there are always a few bad apples and there is a need for limited regulation and oversight, but most businesses are operating honestly. Evidence to the contrary should be brought to court. Everything else is just rumors, hearsay, and politics for the left.
Ryan C: “As if pursuit of profit margin has some morality to it.”
As if profit margins only benefit a select few at a given business. Profit is good for the business, its employees, the businesses those employees patronize, and the governments that collect the taxes on those profits. No profits mean no business, which means no jobs and certainly no raises, a declining stock market and economy, and less government revenue. It is private sector profits that will get us out of this recession and keep us prosperous in the future, provided you liberals stop dragging them down and get out of the way.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2010, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The biggest problem undercutting a solution to the Afghan War is political opportunism. Everyone knows that any real solution involves negotiating with and incorporating the Taliban into the government.
If a Democratic president tried to do that, he would be roundly criticized by Republicans for it, even though he would be right.
If a Republican president tried to do that he would be roundly criticized by Democrats for it, even though he would be right.
There are some people who stand to gain by sucking our national treasury into this useless conflict, and they put alot of money into politicians and the media.
The only solution is grassroots alliances on the issue – tea party, acorn: you both agree on ending the war so get it together now.
Posted by: Flash Override | July 1, 2010, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
cindy: “so Ryan, are you personally/philosophically/politically against working for money?”
Ryan C: “No, I am against not working for money. Which is why I support the estate tax.”
Then you should be against the estate tax as well as any government welfare programs derived from taxes. The estate that’s being taxed did indeed work for and get taxed on that money. To be more accurate, you are for giving money to certain people who don’t work for it and for taxing those who do twice.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
I was alarmed when he made these statements when capaigning and MORE alrmed now that we see how thin his skin is when criticised and the arm-twisting techniques he uses to gain votes for his agenda.No to civilian army…remember he said it should be “just as well equipped as the military”? For civilian use? NO! That would usher in tyranny!
Posted by: sandyinohio | July 1, 2010, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 1, 2010 11:59:42 AM
Excellent post, excellent points. I agree 100%.
Posted by: Shoe | July 1, 2010, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Civiliian Expeditionary Force? What? We are going to invade with the soccer moms, and couch potato dads?
It’s offical, Obama is SO desperate to find new wars to enrich his cronies, and buy the next election that he wants to draft “Joe and Jane Schmo”, to occupy and fight mutiple wars.
Not fight to actually win, mind you. Just fight well enough to lose. Mr. President to quote John Kerry: “How can you ask a man to be the last man to die for a MISTAKE?”
Posted by: CBA | July 1, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Another work for the civilian expeditionary force = Targets.
Posted by: Bullsigh | July 1, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
You know, the last time I checked the Peace Corps was still alive and kicking with a mission and capabilities to do just what obama is talking about. So one has to wonder why would he want to stand up a WHOLE NEW agency unless his intent was to arm and use this Civilian “Espeditionary Force” for more things than just building roads in far distant lands…
Posted by: cdubbs | July 1, 2010, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
THE CEF WILL NOT BE USED IN OTHER COUNTRIES…ITS BEING DESIGNED TO BE USED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES…OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE…ITS MAIN PURPOSE WILL BE TO CONTROL THE “MASSES” DURING A TIME OF CIVIL UNREST–(WHICH IS ON THE WAY) HERE IN THE GOOD OLE “U” “S” OF “A”…
Posted by: SGORDON | July 1, 2010, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
How will Barack account for the “civilian” casualties that will pile up in direct reaction to his need to Barack the World in his image?
As to idiots who believe this is only benign and for the US only…grow up, fast!!!
Posted by: Teddy | July 1, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
If you try to fix Afghanistan with civilian labor.. it would solve the domestic unemployment problem.. sort of like the FFL of youre.
Posted by: Dontget818 | July 1, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Does anybody remember the howls from the left when civilian contractors were beheaded in Iraq? The story line was they would never have gone someplace soooo dangerous had they not been desperate..DESPERATE!!..for work..and that was all Bush’s fault…FF to 2010..and Barack is a GENIUS!! Lets send civilians to Talibanville to fix up schools..it will be different cause they are working for the government directly. So what is this?..our stimulus didn’t work here so we’ll send it over there?..and what happens when the first guy gets his head blown off? or a group of marines dies trying to rescue him? Not a problem anymore? Frankly, its all smoke and mirrors..this is about the creation of a massive, unionized “force” to “enforce” the new rules coming under cap n trade..Ding-dong, may I talk to you about the census will become ding-dong may I talk to you about your thermostat?..we are creating a parallel economy, complete with new laws, new taxes and a new civilian enforcement corps…this is gonna get interesting real soon.
Posted by: cindy | July 1, 2010, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Send in ACORN!
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 1, 2010, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
They fluorodated the water for over 45 years. a sedative. sorry obama admin but your civilian army wont amount to jack squat. you can thank your science czar holdren for his book “eco science” where he suggests adding sterilants and all kinds of other toxic goodies to our water. never should have poisoned your pitbulls you wish to do your bidding huh?
Posted by: Brian | July 1, 2010, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
How about the boy scouts and girl scouts? Make it a volunteer job, part-time, short-term, occasional, etc.. as needed as people can offer. There’s already organizations in place for this. Don’t add another layer to an already too big, too intrusive, and too inefficient fat cat cumbersome wasteful of our money, government. Here’s an idea. To reduce our deficit, reduce government spending by reducing our footprint around world (700 bases?). Reduce our standing armies drastically. Their not needed anymore and if needed for a real conventional war, we can ramp up like in WWII or after Bunker Hill when local militias proved organized armies were not needed. Instead of bringing troops home in bits and pieces and other sad ways in wars against overmatched opponents (because of all our money that’s being spent and our spirit) that resort to suicide bombings or sneak attacks (remember Japan?), keep them here and find other outlets for the young. Bring back the nieghborhood boxing ring. This will save lives and money and our blood pressure/angst when we see how our troops are treated after their service or service ending injuries. Remember Walter Reed! Remember all our messed up veterans.
I’ve yet to see real evidence that our government over the past generation is for us and not against us.
On this 4th of July, remember anew our founding fathers and mothers and what they fought against and for. God bless our country and people and help us get back on the right track, caring for one another, helping those in need, stamping out the evils in our government, and restoring, guarding, and cherishing the freedoms and liberties that so many have been maimed and killed protecting. Thank you – We will never forget.
“TO PARDON PERSISTENT EVIL IS TO PERPETUATE IT.”
Posted by: Tom | July 2, 2010, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Only way he’s gonna get a civilian workforce is to do some kind of draft for it. Anybody actually volunteering for this…..well Good Luck (and nice knowin’ ya’)!
Posted by: MyDarkSide | July 2, 2010, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
“Only way he’s gonna get a civilian workforce is to do some kind of draft for it.” – MyDarkSide
No no no, if they are going to do this then they need the right people in place not just some random anybody. The government can get Acorn and Ivy League Grads to man the Civilian Expeditionary Force (CFE). That way the idea has a chance of working and if there are casualties we don’t lose much in the way of national treasure.
Posted by: Noz | July 2, 2010, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Obama is a communist surronded by a staff of radical communist, any American that would join this anti American President’s civilian SS Nazi police force is no American at all. The founding fathers warned and warned about men like Obama.
Posted by: dan s. | July 2, 2010, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
The Army Corps of Engineers and the Peace Core should be plenty. This CEF sounds very much like the domestic civilian security force Obama spoke of during his campaign. Evidently he’s been reading Hugo Chavez’s book.
Posted by: Woody | July 2, 2010, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
We have lots of civilian help we can send all from Mexico, looking for jobs the American workers won’t do. Just give them all Amnesty when they get to Afghanistan.
Posted by: Tracy Carman | July 3, 2010, 12:14 am 12:14 am
HAHAHA I love it. This lib is the biggest war monger yet! Man did the libs get played hard last election. And were did all the lib war protesters go? HAHAHA What a bunch of frauds. It’s okay though because an Obama war is a good war.
Posted by: John G | July 3, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Obama is an idiot, he already has these units in place. Has he ever heard of the Army Corps. of Engineers, The U.S. Navy Seabees and the U.S. Peace Corps. They do the same functions as he describes and are already in place. What’s he doing creating another Bureaucracy headed by another Czar?
Posted by: Bob | July 4, 2010, 9:36 am 9:36 am
You big sillies – he’s not really going to send civilians to work overseas. He’s going to pay people to work for him over here. In November, we’re going to see voter intimidation and voter fraud on a scale never imagined even in Venezuela – all being perpetrated by his civilian army.
Posted by: betty | July 4, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
The gulf coast economy is being destroyed and this idiot has time to talk about a CEF? Time for him to go! FIRE OBAMA!
Posted by: Andrew in Florida | July 4, 2010, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
It’s nothing more than Hitler’s brown shirts, and guess how it got paid for?The health care bill.
Pelosi really knew what she was talking about when she said we should pass the health care bill and THEN see what’s in it.
Wake up America. Wake up.
Posted by: roxi | July 5, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
So, we need a Civilian Expeditionary Force, why? Don’t we already have contractors that do that kind of stuff? I guess it’s all part of the starategy to socialize America and to get more people on the governemnt roles making them dependant on the Democrats; I’m sure they would all be part of a union. The Democratic Party has become the socialist party in America and are going at warp speed trying to change as much as possible before they get booted out.
Posted by: toledofan | July 6, 2010, 11:15 am 11:15 am
I will be voting 3rd party next election
Posted by: john | July 7, 2010, 9:29 am 9:29 am
No thanks Obama. We’ll try again after the next election.
Posted by: Johnny Five | July 7, 2010, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
If we stayed our ass at home, and stopped acting like we can solve the world’s problems (when we can’t even solve our own), then there would not be an overworked military in the first place!
Posted by: Guns | July 7, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
I think it is truly amazing how absolutely ignorant this administration is about America in between the west coast and the east coast.This president is obviously unaware of the tens of thousands of civilian volunteers working with many first responders and FEMA affiliated groups, who spend thousands of dollars of their own money for equipment to help out their served agencies, the reason this administration is for the most part unaware, some government workers can’t fathom volunteering without getting paid a dime, they feel they should all be paid overtime and not off the clock. Trial lawyer association agendas clearly will not solve the problems in the U.S. Mean while, us volunteers have an increase in taxes and an ever shrinking budget to fund equipment, fuel and time to help with served agencies in cities and counties throughout the U.S., I am hoping for the best for our country, but if more ordinary people don’t be part of the solution instead of a burden, the future of our great country has a very predictable outcome, like many other Democracies in the past!!!!
Posted by: ExposetheStupidity | July 8, 2010, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
All, I always hear people who are just angry, yet havent really bothered to educate themselves on the topic. Being angry and choosing to remain uneducated on the topic is shameful. Having been active duty for 6 years, a lot of deployment experience and a Masters in International Relations, I can tell you there is a huge need for civilian forces to help these societies that pose threats to us because traditional warfare is a thing of the past and the military is simply not trained in what Obama is referring to here. International civilian police have the training to help. The UN has this, as well as the State Dept and other strong countries. It’s too bad when I’m serving my country and all I hear is angry people who’d rather be part of the problem than offer solutions since being part of the problem is easier.
Posted by: RYL | July 13, 2010, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Obama’s version of the Sturmabteilung, no doubt about it.
Posted by: Kyle | July 13, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
It’s gota stop. We have health care facilities that want to put microchips in old people so when they get hit by a passing bus the meat can be id’ed and the inheritance can be cut between the kids who if just got their old dad an inhaler of insulin they would not go out for that walk but they would walk over to the sick freak kid and take the car they bought for them in the first place and go where they need to go. The acceleration put on us by the past few decades of stupid has brought us to the lets try it on the Vietnamese? What a bunch of macrons. Dr. Mangala is dead and so is the let make a four eyed monkey butt so we can screw over another harry, Larry, or Moe? Pay up because you don’t get another chance to see what if anymore. Back away from the use of microchips in humans, and the use of pesticides on them as they did with the pesticide dusting at the local plunge so some pious chump can spray the chimp. signed the twice chipped guy. You don’t like someone too bad, you have no right to damage them even if they are purple/green/black/white/yellow/gay/straight/red/or blew you.
Posted by: Keith Richard Radford Jr | July 14, 2010, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Countries start with a good family. Pray.
Posted by: Julianna Murphy | July 16, 2010, 4:21 am 4:21 am
Obama calls it the “NSS”. Didn’t something similar to this exist in 1939 Germany which served the same function and called the “SS”?
Posted by: EPU | July 16, 2010, 11:38 am 11:38 am