US Supports International Hand in Israeli Investigation Into Flotilla Violence
ABC News' Kirit Radia reports: The Obama administration today expressed support for an international role in an Israeli investigation into violence aboard aid ships aiming to break through an Israeli blockade of Gaza that resulted in the deaths of nine civilians, calling for the probe to be “prompt, impartial, credible, and transparent.”
“We support an Israeli investigation that meets those criteria. We are open to different ways of assuring a credible investigation, including international participation, and we will continue to discuss these ideas with the Israelis and our international partners in the days ahead,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters.
The administration’s position is a slight shift from just earlier in the day when it supported only an Israeli probe into the violence, an apparent recognition of concerns over whether Israel could be expected to conduct an unbiased review of its own actions.Early Monday morning Israeli commandos boarded six ships organized by international activists to deliver aid to Gaza. Violence broke out on board the largest ship, though exactly who struck first remains unclear. The groups on board say Israeli troops attacked them, while Israel says its forces acted in self defense after extremists on board set upon the troops with knives and crowbars. But even after the shift the administration struggled to explain how Israel could be expected to conduct an unbiased review of the events when they were a party to the conflict and have already defended their actions.”These were Israeli forces that carried out this action. And we think that means that they're in the best position to investigate whether — what the instructions were given to those forces, how they viewed the situation as they approached the flotilla, and what transpired onboard that ship,” State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said finally, after dodging repeated questions on the matter at a briefing later in the day.Crowley said it was too soon to say if US investigators could be deployed to help in the probe. – Kirit Radia
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This is such an ingenious idea. I wonder why nobody ever thought of it.
It reminds me of a recent incident with my neighbor. So this is a really nasty guy that I dislike. So one day I started suspecting that he was gonna eat lots of beans at night and ambush me the next morning going to work and fart on my face. I was so worried I decided to “inspect” his house (since this is my right, there is probably cause, right?). As the good american that I am I brought my handgun with me. After I entered his house, the guy who was in his pajamas saw me with the gun and in terror he reached for some chopsticks on his kitchen table and poked me in the eye. Damn! What am I supposed to do? I reached for my trusty handgun and shot him point blank.
Hearing the gunshot the neighbors called police, who politely asked me to investigate the situation. I explained how I was poked in the eye which was still red. And showed the crime weapon, the chopsticks. The officers were very nice, they asked if I was OK. Then I explained how I shot the guy in self defense, which they of course understood. So I am glad to see this great philosophy of justice being finally to poor foreigners who are completely confused (God forbid, they might have thought that *I* was guilty if they were judging the incident with my neighbor!)
Well done Obama! Great job! The BP mess first and now this.
And thinking that I naively voted for you. Donated to your cause repeatedly. Went door to door asking people to vote for you.. thinking that you would be at least slightly different than a carbon copy of W..
Not in 2012.. not ever again!
Posted by: kelly doran | June 1, 2010, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
“…the guy who was in his pajamas saw me with the gun and in terror he reached for some chopsticks on his kitchen table and poked me in the eye.”
Being whacked by a club or iron bar is not the same as being poked with a chop stick. I doubt that the military believed these “peace activists” would become violent and approached the situation with that in mind, as they did with the other ships (where there were no problems..) Perhaps you fantasize that the IDF came on board with guns blazing. Watch the video of the “peace activists” in action.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 1, 2010, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Posted by: Sigmonde | Jun 1, 2010 6:48:18 PM
You seem naive about the laws of the high seas – board somebody’s vessel without permission – the Israelis are lucky they weren’t shot dead. Never mind people trying to defend their boat with whatever is at hand.
Posted by: tierra | June 1, 2010, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Let’s call this what it was,an act of piracy in international waters.
Posted by: John Pritchard | June 1, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Thats great news. Im glad we are not just supporting them with our eyes closed saying “Well, I hope the world doesn’t look badly upon us for this.” Its time to let the world form a opinion and then we just roll with it.
Posted by: jammer | June 1, 2010, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
“You seem naive about the laws of the high seas..”
International law permits a blockade on the high seas and the state declaring the blockade has the right to stop and seize those running the blockade. It is naive to think states would not employ blockades to protect their security.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 1, 2010, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Compare the media response to the sneak attack by the North Koreans on the South Korean naval vessel with the response to the previously announced Israeli action against this convoy. Is there some reason the story about North Korea is couched in cautious term that make blaming them too provocative while the story about the Israelis is filled with condemnation? Think about it. Could it be that our “free liberal media” might be controlled? Maybe the taking of 46 Asian lives isn’t as reprehensible as killing of 9 activists.
Posted by: kamehamebill | June 1, 2010, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Incidentally, isn’t the Israeli blockade similar to our own blockade of Cuba during the “Cuban missile crisis”? If one of those Soviet vessels had tried to run that blockade, I bet there would have been a lot more than 9 lives lost. Since this occurred during JFK’s presidency, it had to be good and righteous, right?
Posted by: kamehamebill | June 1, 2010, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
tierra,I hate to break it to you but the US Navy has boarded vessels on the high seas without permission in international waters.The drug interdiction program.
Posted by: Nephron | June 1, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
International law permits a blockade on
Incidentally, isn’t the Israeli blockade similar to our own blockade of Cuba during the “Cuban missile crisis”? If one of those Soviet vessels had tried to run that blockade, I bet there would have been a lot more than 9 lives lost. Since this occurred during JFK’s presidency, it had to be good and righteous, right?
Posted by: kamehamebill | Jun 1, 2010 7:50:32 PM
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Try to use your logical faculties.
Stopping Russian vessels at sea because missile installations sites have been identified on Cuba is somehow a parallel with delivering humanitarian aid?
Lame.
Posted by: tierra | June 1, 2010, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
“Stopping Russian vessels at sea because missile installations sites have been identified on Cuba is somehow a parallel with delivering humanitarian aid?”
Yes. They are stopped to see what the ship is carrying. Why would Israel just take the activists word of what the cargo consists of and not inspect? Not so difficult to understand that.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 1, 2010, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Sigmonde,
We should arm the Palestinians against the Israelis. This way when the IDF comes and kicks them out of their 100 year family home, the poor Palestinians can have a fighting chance.
Posted by: Ben | June 1, 2010, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Yes. They are stopped to see what the ship is carrying. Why would Israel just take the activists word of what the cargo consists of and not inspect? Not so difficult to understand that.
Posted by: Sigmonde | Jun 1, 2010 10:00:42 PM
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Another search for the missing weapons of mass destruction?
You Republicans will believe any kind of hogwash served up.
Posted by: tierra | June 1, 2010, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
“You Republicans will believe any kind of hogwash served up.”
Naw..I don’t believe any of your hogwash.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 1, 2010, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
“You Republicans will believe any kind of hogwash served up.”
Naw..I don’t believe any of your hogwash.
Posted by: Sigmonde | Jun 1, 2010 10:08:25 PM
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Too bad, you might have a clue what’s going on . .. :)
Weapons of mass destruction? Lies,lies, lies.
Posted by: tierra | June 1, 2010, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
ah, my apologies; I wasn’t aware the comment section didn’t use html. I intended to bold the a) section of the maritime law I quoted.
Posted by: Rory | June 1, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Posted by: Rory | Jun 1, 2010 11:18:46 PM
All of those provisions are with regard to how ‘the parties to an armed conflict at sea are bound by the principles and rules of international humanitarian law’.
There is no ‘armed conflict at sea’ – the Gaza strip does not have a navy; this is a blockade arbitrarily put in place by Israel.
They are lucky the humanitarian volunteers had no weapons other that some bars – again the might of Israel makes up its own rules.
Posted by: tierra | June 1, 2010, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Speaking of piracy, what about North Korea torpedoing a South Korean naval vessel without warning? This has gotten much less press attention than the Israeli sanction of this convoy. I think 46 lives were lost in that clear act of war. Yet we are hearing much more about Israel stopping this convoy. The Israelis actually gave advance warning, while the North Korean attack was done without any warning.
Posted by: kamehamebill | June 2, 2010, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Stopping Russian vessels at sea because missile installations sites have been identified on Cuba is somehow a parallel with delivering humanitarian aid?
There are Hamas rocket attacks against Israel which originated in Gaza – we stopped the Soviets without ever being attacked. A ship originates in a hostile port and the Israelis should just accept the ship’s word that it’s just carrying peaceful cargo items? Yeah sure. Especially when it’s filled with activists spouting anti-Semitic propaganda. Just turn the other cheek and get ready for the next rocket attack.
Posted by: kamehamebill | June 2, 2010, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Posted by: kamehamebill | Jun 2, 2010 1:02:41 AM
It’s more ‘weapons of mass destruction’ – non-existent. Nine killed and there were no rockets on these ships – it was humanitarian aid. Read the list of what was on these ships.
Israel makes up its own rules – in the last confrontation in the Gaza Strip the Israelis killed about 1,400 Palestinians, and maimed thousands more.
13 Israelis were killed.
It’s a slaughter – who are the terrorists?
Posted by: tierra | June 2, 2010, 1:11 am 1:11 am
The attack on the Gaza convoy was carried out in international waters, not in Israeli or Egyptian territorial waters where the ban applied also. Israel doesn’t own the oceans any more than BP and like other nations, it has international and maritime laws to follow. International incidents involving the loss of lives and seizures clearly need an international investigation, rather than the mutually accused parties investigating themselves. International laws, not the laws of the jungle apply here as they would in any other dispute and crisis similar to this. World opinion that’s reason based wouldn’t have it any other way.
Posted by: jane | June 2, 2010, 1:37 am 1:37 am
“International laws, not the laws of the jungle apply here”
International laws allow blockades.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 2, 2010, 7:10 am 7:10 am
it looks like obama administaration tryes to ignore facts in oder to press israel, now its evident that israel cant hope for support from usa.
Posted by: ann@israel | June 2, 2010, 7:46 am 7:46 am
The videos released today, taken by a “peace activist” aboard the ship, indicate live fire at the soldiers while they were in the boat. Other video shows “peace activists” swinging large chains and metal rods at the soldiers while they were in the boats getting ready to board the boats.
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 2, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
See videos at jpost. Below is transcript of IDF soldiers dialogue in video clip.
- I need reinforcements here with me
- He wants to pass underneath
- Wait, one is in front of me
- It’s coming from all directions
- We need to be evacuated, now
- Tell him that he’s close already-
- Real weapons, real weapons (ie.guns)
- They have real weapons?
- Yes, yes, real weapons
- They are firing on us
- There is live fire below
- Live fire below
- Live fire here
- Shoot him where is he?
- Negative
Posted by: Sigmonde | June 2, 2010, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Let Israel investigate itself! Sure and might as well let BP investigate itself (they are in the best position to know), Jack Abramoff investigate himself, wall street investigate itself, Cheney investigate himself…… once again we see the great appeaser in action reaffirming our unending support for Israel no matter what and seeking to avoid a truly independent investigation.
Posted by: Bill McLaughlin | June 2, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
My comment with the link to the laws and quoting the law keeps getting deleted. That is interesting indeed. Why is it gettign deleted when I am backing up my claim with a proof?
Posted by: Rory | June 2, 2010, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Clinton is handling the investigation just fine. This is not going to be fixed or screwed up before U.S. elections in two days. At least we don’t have to be completely and totally embarrassed by Bush and Cheney anymore. Both those families should just shut up; much like my own family here at home.
Posted by: Dolores Marconi | June 6, 2010, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
These activists onboard the “Audacity of Hope” have the audacity to violate a nation’s sovereignty by running its blockade. The U.S. State Department should be involved to stop U.S. citizens from creating an international incident.
Posted by: Tilley | June 24, 2011, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Israel should have the same right that America enjoys to exercise its ability to defend itself against all who threaten it. Everyone is so quick to point their finger at Israel, but for a minute, put yourself in their shoes. President Obama suggests that they should return to its 1967 borders. Borders that Prime Minister Netanyahu made clear are “indefensible.” As a result, Israel would become a mere 9 miles wide in certain areas. This would undoubtedly lead to their destruction. Netanyahu said it best: “In America, you need to ask the question, WWAD, What Would America Do?” What would we do if England or Spain asked us to return to our pre-1776 borders? We would never dream of it. It sound ridiculous to think of, but that is exactly what the Obama administration is attempting to do to Israel. This flotilla supports the same people that deny Israel’s right to exist as a nation. The flotilla scheduled to arrive later this week has two clear objectives: to undermine Israel’s right to defend itself and to knowingly violate Israeli laws. So again, ask yourself this question, WWAD?
Posted by: Steve | June 28, 2011, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Israel should have the same right that America enjoys to exercise its ability to defend itself against all who threaten it. Everyone is so quick to point their finger at Israel, but for a minute, put yourself in their shoes. President Obama suggests that they should return to its 1967 borders. Borders that Prime Minister Netanyahu made clear are “indefensible.” As a result, Israel would become a mere 9 miles wide in certain areas. This would undoubtedly lead to their destruction. Netanyahu said it best: “In America, you need to ask the question, WWAD, What Would America Do?” What would we do if England or Spain asked us to return to our pre-1776 borders? We would never dream of it. It sound ridiculous to think of, but that is exactly what the Obama administration is attempting to do to Israel. This flotilla supports the same people that deny Israel’s right to exist as a nation. The flotilla scheduled to arrive later this week has two clear objectives: to undermine Israel’s right to defend itself and to knowingly violate Israeli laws. So again, ask yourself this question, WWAD?
Posted by: Steve | June 28, 2011, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Just because there are humanitarian items on board does not mean that the individuals on board remained peaceful. These “humanitarian” individuals on board purposefully board the ship with the intention of causing problems. They are hostile toward authority. Israeli officials must protect themselves. If this had been an American blockade, not even the UN would be allowed to get involved. Israel has a right to defend itself and it is not Israel who should be blamed. Why don’t we look at the Hamas leaders who are putting the people living in the Gaza strip at risk. Israel only attacks when it must respond to threats or violence against Israeli citizens. I think we should be screaming at certain Palestinian leaders who work with terrorist organizations. They are responsible for the lives that are lost due to hostile situations, not Israel. Lets point the finger where it actually belongs.
Posted by: Sarah4Liberty12 | June 29, 2011, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm