White House: Senator Kyl Not Telling Truth About Immigration Reform Conversation

Who couldn’t have predicted this?
The thing is, Kyl is not known to be a liar; Obama is.

Do you really think the people of the united states believes anything obama
says? He has broke virtually every campaign promise. Face it he is a failure on all counts. Except bankrupting our country, which he seems hell bent on doing.

Ha! It’s not really the southbound stuff Americans are worried about, it’s the stuff coming north!

The White House as a whole has squandered the goodwill of the American People. Duplicity does not seem to be the best option to recover that goodwill.
And the wheel rolls on.

Refusing to enforce the law is dereliction of duty NOT a broken immigration system.
“There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system.”
Mr Pfeiffer, after June 30, the end of the fiscal year for Arizona, perhaps you would like to announce and explain to the taxpayers of Arizona the total cost of dealing with and providing for illegal aliens, their spouses and offspring. How much Mr Pfeiffer, just in the state of Arizona?
Stand-up and talk to the American People, Mr Pfeiffer…Speak the truth to the American People.
Zàijiàn, Mr Pfeiffer.
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Comprehensive immigration reform was tried under Reagan, right? How well did that work for us? We’re not buying it again.

The whole idea of building a fence as long as the distance from Chicago to Washington DC is ludicrous. If anyone thinks that this multibillion dollar boondoggle would really address our immigration problem, they need to get a brain. Most people that are here illegally did not come trapsing through the desert with a few coyotes. They came across through the border stations and just stayed here.
The most important thing that would deter illegal immigration is the condition that there would be no means of supporting themselves once they get here. How do you do that? Enforce and improve out temporary worker visa program and heavily punish businesses that hire people who do not have a work permit.
Because of the economy, there are few jobs here in Arizona, I do live here and already because of the lack of jobs, the illegals have almost disappeared.
Wake up and tell our Senators Kyl and McCain to stop the political pandering to the fear mongering jerks that do not know any better.

Down with Obama and his scummy buddies! Nobama, no way.

Screw wiretapping laws. Anyone and everyone who has a conversation with Obama had better be wired up with a recording device. Catch the liar in his own words and broadcast it for all to hear — only then will you beat the machine and take down the naked emperor.

Obama is on big LIAR, and everyone knows it!!!!

Who in the right believes the Dictator in the Whitehouse?
Sen. Jon Kyl has integrity with the American people. Obama has no integrity and lies every time he speaks

A nation that refuses to defend it’s borders, soon ceases to be a Nation.
This is an impeachable offense. Failing to secure our borders is an invitation to every evil-doer in the world to come to the USA and kill Americans, apparently with the tacit approval of the POTUS.
Americans are angry, particularly about this administration’s agenda AGAINST the American people.
Everywhere you look in this administration is epic incompetence and laziness and finger pointing, from the top down.
We can see November from our porch.

Legalizing 30 million illegal aliens has absolutely nothing to do with securing our borders.

We just had a gang arrest in the panhandle of florida who were trying to buy 50 AKs etc for a guy called the cougar.
You will only stop the border incursions at the point of a gun. Amnesty will only result in more illegal activity. The only reason the Dems are pushing amnesty is to reduce the conservative vote. Given that they are not citizens of this country, i would call that treason.

Then show us Big O…. Secure the boarder and quit with the stupid law suit stuff against Arizona.
If he doesn’t, Kyl is right… he is holding it hostage. O’ can’t have it both ways. It doesn’t matter whether he said it or not. Actions are what count here and so far… Kyl’s version is right on the mark.

tens of thousands of illegal aliens are pouring in monthly, see the videos borderwatch.obama is not trying to stop them if he wanted it could be done in 2 days. Instead he’s sueing arizona for trying to do the job. He’s giving the illegals in detetion,internet,carrot sticks,veggie plates,TV,all day visits from friends and family, work out rooms,they can wear their own clothes. Is this stopping the illegals???obama has lied about everything,why should you believe him now???

Let’s see,who to believe? Senator Kyl or Obama and his Chicago crew? I think I’ll go with Kyl and not the folks who lie eveytime they open their mouth.

Are all these resources manning desks like the National Guard being sent? I will acede the numbers the administration has put forward but as most Americans results are more important, leave the rhetoric at home (goes for both parties).

Kyl has a reputation as a straight shooter; Obama is a known prevaricator.
Notice it’s not Obama himself who denied he said it, but some deniable myrmidon.

Why would you believe the president? No president has ever tried to secure the border in my lifetime. Obama certainly doesn’t care. The only point of the press asking the Whitehouse for their side is to create the illusion that they are doing something so that the people that blindly vote democrat can feel better.

“by which we can assume they want the once-illegals to join the Democratic Party”
Why should we assume they will become Democrats? Because the Republicans have proven by their callousness on this issue and others that they don’t seem to care about the Hispanic vote…much to their detriment in the past two elections. It’s funny how much right-wingers just hate it when minorities vote.

It’s funny how much right-wingers just hate it when minorities vote.
Posted by: Skip
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I assume you’re 100% in favor of that communication being made public, right?

How intersting that Obamma has his Attny General file suit against AZ immigration law, posts a sign in an AZ national park for tourists to NOT visit certain areas, hasn’t sent troops there yet — but denounces Senator Kyl’s face-to-face Oval Office discussions. Not only do I NOT believe what President Who? says any more; but I’m beginning to believe I shouldn’t read anything you write either Jake. Have you switched to reporting for the Nat’l Inquirer or some other supermarket tabloid? Please — I thought you were a SMART guy!

“tens of thousands of illegal aliens are pouring in monthly”
Apparently finding low paying jobs working for Republicans.

“Immigration reform and securing the border are 2 completely seperate issues….period”
Sure–just building and maintaining a 2000 mile long wall through the desert will fix everything, like invading and occupying Iraq made us all safer from terrorists. AND I’m sure Republicans will be willing to raise their own taxes to pay for it this time instead of just running up the deficit.

Please explain how screening SOUTHBOUND rail shipments, assist in stopping illegal immigrants from coming north to the U.S.? Just more bs double talk meant to confuse the public.

Is there any effort to secure the border such as the border fence? Nah. Is BO telling the truth? Nah

Its fun to read that a DEMOCRAT (e.g. President Obama, etc.) is lying, or accuse them to don’t do enough, not securing the border, the economy, etc. Also republicans go farther… they now are saying that its more undocumented workers are crossing the border than before. That they are criminals… etc. All smoke bombs. To distract everybody of the truth.
HERE IS THE TRUTH: We are in this horrendous recession because the REPUBLICAN party willing full LIED about WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq and we went to war because of that. Because they were incapable to caught Osama Bin Laden when they could. Because all the tax brakes given to people with high income. Because they are facing now the worst ecological disaster because REPUBLICANS did not enforce safety measures and controls during their administration. And… why REPUBLICANS did not enforce or close the border, after all democrats did vote for those measures during Bush presidency? Because they are profiting with the borders AS IS!!! That is the reason that always delay and they are not willing to commit anything that actually solve the problem. They are making money with the “new slave”, after all big corporations hire undocumented workers. And they want to keep them without rights. That is the real thing behind this GOP opposition to an immigration reform. This is not (its never been) about unemployment and defending the country. Its about profit.
Lying… you are accusing of lying. How dare!!! I haven’t seen a more despicable people that the people that now run the honorable REPUBLICAN party this days. And more, they are incorporating the Tea Party (the new KKK + Nazi group)to their files.
We, the independent voters, are not fools, at least not for long time. This aberration of “NAZI/KKK/REPUBLICAN” mixing is the real American threat. Nazis want to hide behind big words (like criminals, expending, etc.) and creating false accusations just like Hitler did.
But I know you, and as same like me, thousands will be start to see day by day what the GOP is becoming. It’s a shame that people like you call your self American! You do not deserve that title. But sooner or later the real America will be punishing with votes (AGAIN!) this shameful aberration. I hope, this time, the GOP learn the lesson.

Cato Kyl Dose not have a rep.as a strate shooter hear in AZ.

Rahm Emanuel and Blago are in the news today.Rahm defends Blago from newspaper attacks and Blago releases money to Rahm’s favorite school.This was in 2006 so they were just warming up for the senate seat deal for Valerie Jarrett in 2008.Quid pro quo.

“Because the Republicans have proven by their callousness on this issue and others that they don’t seem to care about the Hispanic vote…much to their detriment in the past two elections. It’s funny how much right-wingers just hate it when minorities vote.”
Posted by: Skip | Jun 21, 2010 1:42:55 PM
2010 Hispanic Republican Nominees:
- Susana Martinez, Governor, NM
- Brian Sandoval, Governor, NV
- Marco Rubio, Senator, FL
Do the Democrats have any Hispanic nominees for Governor in 2010? Senate?
Ironic that the answer is “no” to each of these questions, isn’t it Skip?
Afterall, Republicans “don’t care” about the Hispanic vote yet the GOP is fielding Hispanic candidates for Senate and Governor races while the Democrats do not. Perhaps it is the Democrats who are “keeping Hispanics down”…

“Department of Homeland Security to — for the first time — screen all southbound rail shipments for illegal weapons, drugs, and cash . . . ”
Mr President, the problem is NOT what is headed SOUTHBOUND. The problem is the criminals, thugs, gang members, murders, kidnappers, drugs heading NORTHBOUND.
For someone as educated as you claim to be. . . . you just don’t get it.

“… ultimately, it comes down to… the fact that he seems to have, it seems to me, some malevolence toward this country, which is unabated.”

Some of these comments are ridiculous; especially yours Possum Dearie (what the hell name is that). Do you even read what you write? So if I understand your comments correctly the Republicans are Nazis and Oblamea and the Democrats are our Saviors (That’s not a misspelling of Obama). Truth is both sides are corrupt. Don’t be so naive as to think your party is perfect, while the other party is a bunch of Nazis. There are very few Senators (on either side) I respect. Jon Kyl is one of them. I tend to believe Jon Kyle more than Obama. However, I wasn’t in the room and I don’t know for sure.

Perhaps it is the Democrats who are “keeping Hispanics down”…
-By successfully getting more Hispanics elected to the House of Representatives by a margin of 7 to 1? Hardly. You’re cherry-picking data as usual.

“I am sick of the GOP racists holding the issue hostage to make happy their Billy Bob constituency. Do they not understand that they are on the wrong side of both history and demographics?”
Posted by: Ivan | Jun 21, 2010 2:48:54 PM
Ivan – Racist? Apparently you missed (or ignored) my post at 2:47:51 PM

WE NEED AN IMMIGRATION REFORM BECAUSE: I do not want myself (or any of my children) to work as a gardener or cleaning bathrooms (that is why I’m sending them to college). I do not have nothing against that kind of work, and I do respect anyone who does it.
Before we were able to pay and afford high salaries to low skill jobs, now the reality is different and we need to adapt. We need low skill workers who can take care of our crops, build homes and work in a factory line. We can complain all year about the abuse of the Mexican government, and how Mexicans cross the border claiming that California was in one time part of Mexico… but we can not ignore the fact that we need a low pay labor force who does a great work for us. And we are going to need a lot more in the future!!!
Why Republicans opposed to an immigration reform that will fix this 21st century problem?
-If they are legal they can not be abused anymore by big corporations.
-If we are able to bring low skill workers legally: NO MORE PROFIT!
-Less drug and weapons crossing the border.
Republicans are hiding their dirty business as usual behind grandiloquent political postures. That’s all. I wont be surprise to discover that several GOP “Cristian Conservatives” that oppose to this in reality are owners of Human/Drug/Weapon traffic organizations. After all they makes go to war for petroleum using 9-11 as excuse. What else you can expect!

Haven’t you learn already!!!! ALL TERRORIST ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS or THEY ARE ALREADY US CITIZENS.
Since they are not illegals therefore THEY DO HAVE DOCUMENTS to travel and stay legally in US territory, they do not need to cross our border illegally.
Please give me a break! Stop blaming undocumented workers for 9-11 and other acts of terrors. And besides… don’t tell me about illegals that are criminals, of course you are going to find some and those need to be deported. Most part of the undocumented workers are just that: workers!. We do have our share of child molesters, mob gangsters and mass murderers already. Or you are going to blame the Mexicans for all that is wrong in this world too!!! Humanity share more than a million year of migration instinct without or with borders. Assume it!

Posted by: tjp612 | Jun 21, 2010 3:28:42 PM
Oh yes… that makes tons of sense given that the current President, a Democrat (and also the first African American and biracial president of the United States of America) appointed the first Latina to the US Supreme Court.
//sarc.

Hispanics GOP nominated because republicans care about Hispanics. HA HA HA!
And about your examples: a Cuban descendant. Please, how possible a Cuban is not going to be republican when as soon as they get out of their boat and touch American soil they have for granted their green card and citizenship thanks to republicans. And Cubans are the most high income group in US.
Give me a break!

HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; “Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over.
Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. “They’re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay.”
Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, “The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.”
Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; “We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it.”
Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, “Remember 187–proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens–was the last gasp of white America in California.”
Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, “We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, “I’m going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.”
Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, “California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.”
Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, “We are practicing ‘La Reconquista’ in California.”
Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University; “We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . “

GOP Hispanic Candidates:
Cubans that have Green cards and Citizenship for granted once they are in American soil

The ACLU, a pro-illegal immigrant, anti-sovereignty law organization that taxpayers are supporting, is incessantly intimidating true Americans and permanent residents? YES! You pay through the nose, to subsidize this Communist-inspired entity. We can beat these creeps, when they threatened to sue small towns and cities, that have been overwhelmed by the illegal alien plight? If hundreds of communities started to fight back–such as Fremont, Nebraska, as is the state of Arizona–by voting out Liberals hiding behind Democrats in the Senate and House, whom are tearing the fabric of this law abiding country apart. United cities, towns who want to stop this propagating invasion, should collectively vote against illegal aliens stealing jobs, the harboring foreign nationals, renting property and accessing welfare entitlements. The ACLU and other radical groups do not have the absolute legal representation in numbers or cash, to sue massive collectives of municipalities that have had enough of encroachment of illegal people who scorn our laws.
As for Sen. Kyl Lying? It seems to me that with Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) involved and his disasterous move towards gigantic expenditure to allow illegal aliens to permanently stay. That its more in line with the President Obama ultra-Liberal czars, that Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl is telling the truth about a silent conspiracy to hold Republicans hostage in squeezing through another damaging–AMNESTY. The Obama administration wants to drain even more money from taxpayers, to support the open border forces, to keep the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens here. Every citizen-resident must realize foreign occupancy also influences–YOU–and your children’s future, wages, culture, language and the deterioration of our most sacred document–the US Constitution. by Leftist extremists.
The federal government has failed to build the border fence correctly? Only one fence has been partly completed, the second fence built as a prison chain-link fence adorned with nasty razor wire. Its’ incredulous that the 2006 Secure fence act was under funded could not work, because of the interdiction by Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-TX, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, (R-TX) Investigate the–REAL FENCE–as in San Diego, California that has a 99.8 success rate, but our US Government never passes on this information. Learn about the Liberal Democrats forcible push in cramming–AMNESTY–down your throat. Hundreds and billions of dollars are secretly used to pay for underwriting “Anchor Babies” and welfare, that come out of your payroll check. NumbersUSA gives all the financial answers and more. Get rid ALL–the Pro-Amnesty political incumbents in November.

“There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system”
Like the 1200 guardsmen who are under orders not to detain illegals crossing the border but only be on the lookout for guns and drugs (as stated by the state dept on May 26th)?
otherwise this statement seems to completely back up Kyl’s statement.
In fact according to DHS Obama’s Strategic and Integrated Southwest Border Strategy is strictly concerned with the war on drugs. As stated on March 26th 2010 “Secretary Janet Napolitano today highlighted the United States’ significant progress in securing the U.S.-Mexico border one year after the Obama administration announced the Southwest Border Initiative—a series of unprecedented steps to crack down on Mexican drug cartels by deploying additional personnel and technology…”. Imagine what ABC could have asked had they bothered to do simple Google searches.
Obama wants amnesty to get more votes, thats all.

Either a sitting senator or a sitting president is a liar. Let’s hear the tape to decide whether to launch a recall or an impeachment.

Easily resolved. Play the tape.
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We definitely need to find that out.

facts that go against your talking points,
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She just wants to turn the topic away from those Oval Office recordings. I’ve a feeling they’d not bode well for Obama.

As I’ve noted before PM, arguments ad hominem rarely persuade.
Posted by: Had it up to here with paid posters! | Jun 21, 2010 6:03:45 PM
Your mistake is thinking I post to persuade or that I care what you think. Your screen name underscores your cluelessness, as the paid posters are in your corner. What you don’t like is those that think the GOP is backwards and failed. Truth hurts.
And I’ve always railed on the GOP. Its the constant. Can’t stand the GOP as an institution. And I think anyone who votes GOP is a fool or nefarious or both.

It hurts when I point out facts that go against your talking points, doesn’t it
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I have absolutely no idea as you never do, and never have. You come up with some really lame spin that only an idiot would buy.
Truth is the GOP is xenophobic, and the Democratic Party is the more diverse party.
After the 2010 elections, we’ll check out which party has more hispanics, women, etc. in elected office. I’m willing to bet quite a lot that it will be the Democrats.
Its a safe bet… the Republicans are far, far, far behind… that you deny it shows how long you’ve had your head underground, Van Winkle.

we understand that all people of any category have mortal limitations and may be swayed by the twin pillars of the Republican party: Fear and Greed.
Posted by: Skip | Jun 21, 2010 6:13:59 PM
Yes… fear and greed can be very persuasive. And they are relentless at mongering and perpetuating both.
Republicans represent our worser, fallen, angels which is why I can’t stand them so much. They don’t care… they like dragging us down. They are the albatross around this nation’s neck.

What Jan Brewer did not say is that the law she signed is not going to work its just to get REELECTED. here are facts.
1, How much MONEY is there for enacting this law$$$$$$$$$$?? NONE
2, How many buses she brought to transfer the tens of thousands of the undocumented??? NONE
3, How many new jails shes built to hold the undocumented ?? NONE
4, How many new Policemen shes hired ?? NONE.
5, How many new court houses shes built to handle the removal proceedings?? NONE.
Can anyone answer these facts?? NOPE . YET THE BRAINLESS WILL VOTE FOR HER THAT SHE SIGNED A PIECE OF PAPER THAT DOES NOTHING, NADA, ZILCSH.
GET REAL YOU TEA DRINKERS, YOU ARE A BRAINLESS LAMB , THE GOP=GRUMPY OLD PEOPLE ARE LEADING YOU AND YOU’LL FOLLOW WITHOUT USING YOUR OWN BRAINCELLS. WHAT A WASTE.
ALL ARE GODS CHILDREN, ALL WILL ANSWER TO GOD SOONER OR LATER, THE WILL BE, WHY WERE YOU AGAINST MY OTHER CHILDREN, AND YOU’LL CALL YOURSELF CHRISTIANS? WHAT A SHAME.

I hate to say it because I am an Obama supporter … but, he took an oath of office to protect our borders and is not doing it.. impeachment proceedings need to start.

This bum is losing the country… If your not careful America, you’ll replace him with another idiot in Palin…
America, seriously, we can do BETTER! “Yes, we can! Yes, we CAN!”

“…in the past year the US government has doubled the personnel assigned to Border Enforcement Security Task Forces, tripled the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement intelligence analysts; and required the Department of Homeland Security to — for the first time — screen all southbound rail shipments for illegal weapons, drugs, and cash; among other steps.”
If Senator Kyl isn’t lying to pander to the fanatic fringe, then I’m sure he’s ready to refute these DOCUMENTED FACTS.

Obama and the WH are ndeed holdng us Hostage. It is already proven that Obama is a Liar. His whole life know to the publc is a Lie. Thanks to the meda. We need to close and secure our borders without amnesty to illegals. Enforce the Laws already on the Books. Maybe then we could fly the American Flag again without offending our neighbors. What a crock that is.

This is too funny –let’s examine the Obama’s administration record:
–Obama said the $20 billion extorted from BP will be handled by an independent party–but then he appoints his Pay Czar– Mr Feinberg.–
–Salazar/Obama misrepresented what the experts told him about the 6 month moratorium on drilling -the experts were actually against the moratorium and Salazar had to apologize.But Obama still hasn’t removed the moratorium has he???–
–Mr Kyl tells us Obama said he is not going to secure the border because then Congress wouldn’t have any reason to move ahead with immigration reform. So Obama is playing politics while AZ burns.–
I have to side with Mr Kyl on this one.

Kyl has made a good point-in answering this allegation,the White House spokesman basically said what Kyl claimed Obama said!Unbelievable!

Is it true that the Federal government was made aware on Feb 13 that the Deepwater rig was leaking oil and natural gas?If so,why didn’t they shut down the rig? If so, why isn’t ABC reporting it?Is the President involved in a coverup? The source is Waxman’s committee-Did release of the BP documents supply a smoking gun revealing that Barack Obama was informed that the rig could blow?

I tend to believe Kyl over obama. When obama doesn’t have his teleprompter in front of him, he tends to say what he really believes and messes up.

in defense of the GOP’s utter lack of diversity…
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Git off of it. Whether either of these 2 pols worship at the altar of
“diversity” has nothing to do with a pretty straightforward issue.

i tend to believe kyl over “shakedown” Obama….he has much more credibility than these group of thugs in the white house

“screen all southbound rail shipments for illegal weapons, drugs, and cash; among other steps.”
Posted by: jhw539 | Jun 21, 2010 9:16:08 PM”
What about all the northbound items????
Looking back on Sen. Kyls and on Pres. Obamas record about speaking the truth, I believe Sen. Kyl wins by the largest margin ever.

I believe Kyl over Thug Obama

It would seem to me the statement would be easy to verify since there is a tape system in the Oval Office that records every word uttered there. If it was acceptable to get the tapes during the Nixon admisinistration, it should be acceptable now. If the White House comes back with some excuse about
“National Security”, that would speak volumes.

Burlyb has a problem and that is if one is to disagree with our president then we are subversives. I do not have a problem with a black man, a black/white man, a woman, a black woman, or any mixed, or plain person. I have a history that is long with different types of races in it. We as people of our nation have the right to say we don’t agree with our president. He may even be called a liar. All I know is that this last election is the first one in my life that I voted Republican just because I didn’t believe in what slick/Obama, and his wife were selling.

Okay, hold them hostage and put them in jail for 6 months, long enough to get a good grasp of English. Then you take them to the recruiters and have them sign them up in the Marines or Army. Those are the ones that are really the moving targets. Let them be front line soldiers for about 8 years. In the mean time send mom and kids back to where they are from. The only way out of the military is feet first, or an Honorable Discharge. Like that?

I wonder if Sen Kyle “intended” this as a true statement. The man is a liar among liars, no?