Krugman: Beware of ‘The Confidence Fairy’
A senior administration official who supports more stimulus spending argued to me recently that the fact that Congress can’t and won’t pass another big program could actually be a good thing.
Here’s the explanation: The business community is afraid of more action from Washington now. If that uncertainty and anxiety is lifted, corporate America (which is sitting on piles of cash) will start investing and hiring again.
Paul Krugman’s not buying it.
“I call this believing in the confidence fairy. You believe that you actually do things that would mean less demand, less spending power, less consumer spending, less actual reason for businesses to invest. But because they think it’s over they will invest. There is no reason to believe that’s true,” Krugman told me.
“If you actually talk to business people for real about why they are not investing they will say ‘well why should we invest? We have factories that are not operating at full capacity, there isn’t a demand for our products. There isn’t a reason to invest now.’ What they need is more, not less from the government.”
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There are three reason why companies aren’t investing now.
1: Lack of consumer demand, which was mentioned in the above article.
2: Threats inflation or deflation. With the monentary supply increased by the government actions we are at the early stages of a deflationary cycle where our currency will lose a significant amount of its buying power. True that private corporations may be sitting on 2 trillon dollars in cash, but if the value of the currency drops then the buying power of that reserve will be reduced. Also if the Fed increases interest rates to stave off deflation then we will see significant inflation, in which case a financial reserve will aid the company in dealing with increased cost of cost of doing business.
3: Increased interest rates. If the Fed increases interest rates to stave off deflation then we, which they will have to eventually, will see significant inflation, in which case a financial reserve will aid the company in dealing with increased cost of cost of doing business.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | July 6, 2010, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Why do you guys never ask him about the upcoming Jan 1, 2011 tax increases that will take effect and what impact he thinks they will have on a bad economy. He always likes to talk about stimulative spending(where it is hard to fine a time where it ever worked), but he doesn’t even get asked about the effects higher taxes will have on the economy. I wonder why?
Posted by: ave2902 | July 6, 2010, 9:53 am 9:53 am
???Stimulative spending never worked??? What about after the great depression? Even a rudimentary knowledge of basic history will tell you that it worked. That seems like a hard argument to make. If you want to argue that deficit spending during a recession is dangerous, then fine. But to say that “it is hard to find a time where it ever worked” seems not to make sense.
Posted by: MikeNJ | July 6, 2010, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Some argue that Palestinians have always been there before the state of Israel was declared, thus all of Israel is in reality Palestinian land. Of course prior to Israel coming into existence in 1948, Jews were referred to as Palestinians and the Arabs that were there were just called Arabs. If the British had not violated the mandate and restricted Jewish immigration while permitting Arab immigration, the Jews would have been a solid majority.
Prior to the Palestinian Mandate the lands were part of the Ottoman Empire until they came under the control of Britain and France who defeated them in WWI. International law recognizes the right of the victors to redraw borders. Pursuant to this right, the Palestine Mandate was created with a view to such lands becoming the Jewish homeland. Jews were given the right of “close settlement.” This right has never been abrogated. Thus the Jews have every right to settle in Judea and Samaria. Thus the settlements are legal. Somebody should tell Obama.
Businesses, especially small ones are afraid of the Government. So is the citizenry, we don’t know what the Government will do next. We fear the news as it will tell us the Government’s latest intrusion into our freedom and the latest spending folly.
The National debt is quite probably beyond mitigation. A simple amortization calculation reveals that the current debt would require 50+ years of balanced budgets and debt payment of a half-trillion dollars per year to pay it off. Yet Obama’s get tough on spending only suggests cutting the deficit in half in 2012. Well Obama Fans, cutting in half means he is still charging about two-thirds of a trillion dollars so the debt increases!
Unemployment benefits sustain unemployment as many wait until their benefits are about to expire before actively seeking employment.
Businesses are waiting until the full damage of Obamacare is fleshed out, plus they fear “Cap and Tax” and its impact should that folly become law.
Consider the continuing controversy over what our Constitution’s simple wording in the First, Second and Tenth Amendments mean and then consider the direct and collateral damage of bills that contain thousands of pages. No-one knows the impact, most legislators haven’t read every line, and are too mentally challenged to understand them is perchance they attempted to comprehend them.
The bottom line is that this Manchurian President and His Congress has done a lot of damage to our country and is poised to do even more.
Was it Edward R. Murrow that said a nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves?
Posted by: Ed Taylor | July 6, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
When are you going to get another view from a conservative economist like Thomas Sowell. Krugman has never had a clue about how to stimulate the economy. His and the administrations idea is like taking water from the deep end of the pool and putting it in the shallow end and expecting the level to rise. Even in the great depression it didn’t work and only extended the problem until well after WW2.
Posted by: Fred | July 6, 2010, 10:43 am 10:43 am
How about a Congress writing a blank check by “deeming” the budget passed and calling everything an “emergency” to avoid their own “pay-go” requirements!
Posted by: tillyerkt | July 6, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
“The business community is afraid of more action from Washington”…what a “crock of you know what”. Here comes the “lies and misinformation” from the wealthy elite and corporatocracy. Small businesses which comprise such a large part of our “consumer run economy” are NOT SPENDING OR ASKING FOR MONEY FRIOM LENDERS for one main reason folks. Too many unemployed people to buy their goods and service. It is NOT that hard to figure out, folks. We need to do whatever we can to get these people back to work…and denying the most needy thgeir unemployment benefits only adds to the problem. Hey Republicans and conservatives DON’T CARE! They want that “misery index” high so they can get “backlash voted back into power” by an “out of touch electorate”. It is way past time to WAKE UP people!
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 10:50 am 10:50 am
“Ed Taylor”…your July 6th post…are you sure it is the “government’ who are the “WOLVES” AND NOT THE WEALTHY ELITE”??? I think you have it all wrong…especially for the middle class and blue collar people.
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Posted by: Nephron | Jul 5, 2010 11:42:35 PM – “is the economy better now under Obama than it was 18 months ago under Bush?” (from another thread)
From my perspective, a reserved Yes.
This Recession officially started in 2007, a year before Obama took office. By 2009 our economy was shrinking at an annual rate of 6.4%. And employment had already stalled after almost a decade of subsidized outsourcing and the worst job growth on record – only 3 million jobs in 8 years. 18 months later, according to US Dept of Commerce stats, the economy is beginning to grow again.
Obama’s first focus was to recapitalize banks and return the economy to growth. Last month, the Treasury said that taxpayers would realize a $24 billion profit on TARP money lent to banks. And, the mix of the direct assistance to automakers + other incentives to spur demand in the market was a lifeline to industry survival (according to the financial firm Deloitte).
It is delusional to think our economy will return to the fantasy Bush era Bubble created around the housing market. Family Wage jobs and benefits were supposed to trickle down to everyone else. Instead, our nation created a bubble of lopsided wealth and consumer debt that helped push us into this Recession. So today, customers do not have enough money to buy what our economy is capable of selling at full or near-full employment.
At a personal level, our Mom and Pop company let employees go in 2007 as the Recession started to gain speed. We sell nation-wide and internationally. Our customers froze budgets, cut employees, and reduced work weeks. For almost a year our business survived on revenues from product previously ordered and invoiced annually. There were practically no new orders from our target market from the end of 2007 to 2009. Today, our market is beginning to defrost and new orders starting up again. But I cannot justify hiring until DEMAND grows strong enough.
The idea that businesses are waiting to hire because they are afraid of future taxes or future insurance costs is a Conservative planted myth. Small businesses hire when revenues support the cost of more employees.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am
When are you going to get another view from a conservative economist like Thomas Sowell. Krugman has never had a clue about how to stimulate the economy. His and the administrations idea is like taking water from the deep end of the pool and putting it in the shallow end and expecting the level to rise. Even in the great depression it didn’t work and only extended the problem until well after WW2.
Posted by: Fred
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Are you kidding???? Georgie knows Sowell would eat him and Krugman alive id he brought him on the show.. Georgie si a protectionist….A Democrat talking head…. he will NOT expose democrats to being asked any tough questions
Obama VS America
Posted by: Yep I said that | July 6, 2010, 11:48 am 11:48 am
cnd fox..every business i know, and people i know , are afraid to spend money and hire and the fear of of govt policy does cross their minds.like it or not thats a fact.i agree we need people to work and have jobs. thats what the small business private sector is about. instead of doling out bucks to the uaw and the like:;incentives to hire could be used.ditto for green godess.it takes owning a small business to know one. to many cheifs and not enough indians.get real this experiment didnt work.
Posted by: catman | July 6, 2010, 11:57 am 11:57 am
I find it absolutely ABSURD, these so called Professional Economist GMA has had on air since early 2009 have been predicting the worst is behind up. THAT’S CRAP! I notice you’ve had none of the economist who John Stossel had on an eprisode of 20/20 who completely disagreed with this administration’s handling of the current economy. The only folks who appear are the Krugman, deer in the headlights type who all fall in to line like good little soldiers on the Obamanomics bandwagon. Can you say BIAS media?
Posted by: Robin | July 6, 2010, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Whose confident? Whether we spend like Krugman wants or implement austerity as Peter Schiff advocates, the future looks bleak. Schiff is right when he says “the party is over for the United States”. We have been on a 4 decade spending spree, and now it is time to pay some of the bills.
Posted by: Huh | July 6, 2010, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
The issue now is should the federal government spend more to stimulate the growth of Family Wage jobs. There are other economists who agree we need more targeted spending. For example, Noriel Roubini says “Plan A” using augmented official financing has not been enough: “Banking on an unlikely mix of fiscal cuts and inadequate structural reforms, with growth doing much of the heavy lifting, is a risky bet, likely to fail.”
Small businesses and start-ups are the major producers of new jobs. Big banks have little interest in building new jobs – many Wall Street corporations are owned by global speculators, equity-fund elites, and huge institutional investors – all of whom demand huge short term profits, usually achieved by CUTTING jobs. In their world, American business is about maximizing shareholder value. They basically don’t want the expense of workers – millions of jobs have already been moved to low-wage countries.
So if Big Banks refuse to free up credit lending, Washington needs to provide stimulus support to get the maximum number of new American jobs moving – like alternative financing.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
STIMULATE WHAT ECONOMY?
While Dr. Krugman is a good “read,” after many hundreds of billions of stimulus dollars, look at the result. The U.S. is DEEPER in debt, while the economy continues to falter because Americans do NOT have a strong manufacturing base WHERE THE JOBS USED TO BE!
As long as the U.S. Manufacturing base is sent overseas, the economy of the U.S. will fail. The U.S. needs to emplace tariffs on ALL imported goods and services, and to PRODUCE AMERICAN products here. U.S. citizens need to BUY AMERICAN products. THAT will rebound the economy, not a short-termed “stimulus” that will only place the U.S. deeper into debt. After the stimulus dollars are spent, then what? IT is an artificial way to go deeper into debt.
Posted by: gglenc | July 6, 2010, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
green goddess…alternate financing is a better approach than government run projects or continued unemployment insurance.end prevailing wage requiremnts and losen enviormental review and private employment will increase. shovel ready would have been great but what relly happened?
Posted by: catman | July 6, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
It’s time to adjust the economy into kilter: tax assistance and government spending should be where more than 60% jobs are created – small businesses.
According to the SBA, help is needed for very small companies – less the 20 employees – who spend 67% more per employee on tax compliance. We small businesses also need those bailed out banks to stop sitting on credit. Federal tax credits to businesses that hire workers would be great. Modifying the tax code to reduce start-up costs for new businesses makes sense. Now is the time for America to re-build build long lasting Family Wage JOBS.
Of course everyone in the country wants lower debt. But today the biggest % of the Federal Deficit isn’t spending. It’s LOSS OF REVENUES. That means we need more healthy tax payers to reduce our deficit, not just Draconian spending cuts.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
“catman”…so you are telling me that you and other business owners oprerate your busineeses on a “philosophy of fear”…and not positive vision”??? I don’t believe that for a second. You just do not have the customer base you used to because of reduced employment numbers. And “fear” to stimulate will only make that worse. Maybe like until we get a new energy plan that can create decent manufacturing jobs again.
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Back to “Fred and Yep I said That”…you mean that “paid off lackey”, Thomas Sowell, whose columns are always full of non-substantive conervative soundbites”??? LOL…LOL…
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Was it Edward R. Murrow that said a nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves?
Posted by: Ed Taylor | Jul 6, 2010 10:32:54 AM
Posted by: george | July 6, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
As a democrat, Obama supporter and campaigner and someone who plans to vote for him in 2012, I actually agree with the republicans on one issue. We need some tax cuts for businesses to stimulate job growth
Posted by: TV | July 6, 2010, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Obama needs to do what Bush senior did and reverse his tax campaign promise.I think he should do that for hiring businesses to stimulate job growth
Posted by: TV | July 6, 2010, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Obama needs to do what Bush senior did and reverse his tax campaign promise.I think he should do that for hiring businesses to stimulate job growth
Posted by: TV | July 6, 2010, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
cnd fox …fear is huge…thats why consumer confidence is so huge a factor. fear is not good for the future.
Posted by: catman | July 6, 2010, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
***Modifying the tax code to reduce start-up costs for new businesses makes sense. Now is the time for America to re-build build long lasting Family Wage JOBS.***
Posted by: green.goddess | Jul 6, 2010 12:41:22 PM
I agree with you, green.goddess. The tax code needs significant work to ease the burden on small businesses, as well as evening out the tax burden on the populace.
If the obama administration would have focused their “stimulus” efforts tax breaks for small business then that bill would have gone much farther to pushing the economy out of the recession. As it stands now 1/3 went to states to keep state employee’s on the roles, 1/3 went to tax breaks for works in the form of the “make work pay” tax credit among others and the rest doled out to stimulus projects with about 200 billion still in reserve.
Instead of the “making work pay” tax credit congress had instead given a payroll tax holiday or reduced the federal income tax burden on the business owners for businesses with fewer than 20-50 employees (depending on how far you can stretch the funds) for a year or two. Such would have broken the credit cruch/freeze that has plagued small businesses since late 2008.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | July 6, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
***Modifying the tax code to reduce start-up costs for new businesses makes sense. Now is the time for America to re-build build long lasting Family Wage JOBS.***
Posted by: green.goddess | Jul 6, 2010 12:41:22 PM
I agree with you, green.goddess. The tax code needs significant work to ease the burden on small businesses, as well as evening out the tax burden on the populace.
If the obama administration would have focused their “stimulus” efforts tax breaks for small business then that bill would have gone much farther to pushing the economy out of the recession. As it stands now 1/3 went to states to keep state employee’s on the roles, 1/3 went to tax breaks for works in the form of the “make work pay” tax credit among others and the rest doled out to stimulus projects with about 200 billion still in reserve.
Instead of the “making work pay” tax credit congress had instead given a payroll tax holiday or reduced the federal income tax burden on the business owners for businesses with fewer than 20-50 employees (depending on how far you can stretch the funds) for a year or two. Such would have broken the credit cruch/freeze that has plagued small businesses since late 2008.
Posted by: bobtherepublican | July 6, 2010, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Posted by: TV | Jul 6, 2010 1:07:17 PM posted: “We need some tax cuts for businesses to stimulate job growth.”
I think it’s going to take a combination of focused help for Small Business. We create over 60% of the new JOBS! The US has lost over 8 Million jobs since the recession hit in 2007, and nearly 3 million new people have entered the workforce since then. However, the previous 8 years of tax cuts created a pathetic 3 Million new jobs. Why?
Big corporations actually received tax incentives to move jobs overseas, and those cheap jobs became a sledgehammer for wages here at home. Today our economy needs new healthy Family Wage jobs to bring down the deficit!
In 2007, after years of tax cuts, middle-class family income was LOWER than when GW Bush took office in 2001. Meanwhile, 72% of our nation’s wealth became concentrated in the hands of the richest one tenth. Tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthiest have created a skewed economy – it’s time for all incentives – tax cuts, stimulus, whatever we can do – to grow jobs again for re-building a strong Middle Class.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
I agree with Krugman – However– our loss of manufacturing will stifle any recovery–I believe,(Since only 47% of our citizenry pay income tax) We need to drop Income tax rates 10% across the board and replace that with a 5% National Sales Tax– This would act as a defacto Import Tariff without breaking trade agreements. WW11 was the mother of all Govt. deficit spending — lets face it only the Govt can do that — We need more WPA type programs and Unemployment benefits that turn to Workfare after 1 years benefits!!! After 1 year you go to an Educational program or Clean Ghetto’s etc.
Posted by: brian | July 6, 2010, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Krugman is an ECONOMIST, i.e. he works in the labaryinth of the ivory towers that infest all major cities.
So far he has been a lot less prescient than the late George Carlin, RIP, so I think I will pass on his latest pronouncement.
DG
Posted by: denaliguide | July 6, 2010, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
“Brian”…in reply to your 1:59…that fact of “loss of maufacturing jobs” is not only a valid point, it is why we should ALL BE CLAMORING for an “alternative energy plan”. Because those “oil based” manufacturing jobs…? Ain’t ever coming back.
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
CND FOX– I agree absolutely — We need Massive Green WPA/Manhattan Projects. During the Depression, the WPA built our infrastructure — We need to retool and need smart Govt. spending…
Posted by: brian | July 6, 2010, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
CND FOX | Jul 6, 2010 3:06:55 PM posted “we should ALL BE CLAMORING for an “alternative energy plan”. Because those “oil based” manufacturing jobs…? Ain’t ever coming back.”
Right on CND FOX. For those who don’t know this term, goggle “Peak Oil” – we have 20 years, just two decades, to build alternative energy options. Why not create it now to improve our economy at the same time?
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
CND Fox, point to one country in the world where the “wealthy elite” don’t run the show. You guys really think the government’s out to make things “fair” don’t you?
Posted by: The Northern Star | July 6, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
“The Northern Star”…you are right BUT if we the people in the middle don’t start demanding “fairness” through the politicial candidates we elect (who will actually protect us and then vote out those who won’t); NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. It is NOT the government we should fear IF (AND THAT IS A BIG if) WE ELECTED THE RIGHT PEOPLE. The problem we have right now is the “dumbed down constituency” who always votes against themselves because they believe the wealthy elite’s lies and misinformation.
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Krugman always puts his religious beliefs before all else; he twists and molds the laws of economics to fit his religion, and his religion is liberalism. Reagan proved as a matter of fact that a lowering of the tax rate is what launches an economy out of a recession, but science and history cannot nudge the faith of a worshiper of liberalism.
Posted by: StarveTheBeast | July 6, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“StarveTheBeast”…your 4:10…LOL…LOL…LOL…LOL…(that is all I can think of how to respond to that one)!!! Labeling and namecalling “soundbite form” (and without substance) went “out” a long time ago.
Posted by: CND FOX | July 6, 2010, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
dunno what the answer is to the economic woes, but it sure doesnt lie with this Obama laptop named Krugman. the man is insane, more stimulus??? where did the last one get us non union non SEIU hard working tax paying small businessmen? lets face it , these ivy league elite blowhards aint interested in helping the economy- if they were they would learn from europe’s mistakes. they are communists, plain and simple
Posted by: mayo49 | July 6, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
find another way cause more stimulas isnt going to happen as an election is looming and tax and spend is a loosing argument.
Posted by: catman | July 6, 2010, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
mayo49 | Jul 6, 2010 4:28:14 PM posted: “where did the last one get us non union non SEIU hard working tax paying small businessmen?”
When Obama took office the economy had been shrinking at an annual rate of 6.4% and employment had already stalled after 8 years of outsourcing and the worst job growth on record. Now you and I may not have liked the way TARP money was spent on Wall Street bonuses, but Obama’s first focus had to be recapitalizing the banks and returning the economy to growth. Even conservatives agree we’d be over a cliff otherwise.
Last month Treasury announced that taxpayers would realize a $24 billion profit on TARP money lent to banks. And, the mix of the direct assistance to automakers + other incentives to spur demand in the market was a lifeline to that industry’s survival (according to the financial firm Deloitte).
So now after a year and a half, it’s past time to focus federal money on building small business jobs. Google the House Small Business Committee to keep up on what’s becoming available to us. The committee is made up of both Democrats and Republicans; none are “communists”.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 6, 2010, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Its the consumer and jobs. Consumers are upto their ears in debt and are not spending. They are also reluctant to spend because they fear that they will lose their jobs. Either private businesses should be given incentives to invest and create jobs or the government has to create jobs on its own.
Posted by: richard | July 6, 2010, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Capacity is driven by the consumer. The consumer sees the same thing as corporations: higher taxes on the way, an over regulated economy/industries (eventually leads to higher prices), substantially higher energy prices (Obama’s own words), an administration unfriendly to business (not good for employment), a little anti-American admin (scares people), an admin driven by the far left (not good for capitalism) and on and on and on. People don’t trust Obama, this administration or congress.
Posted by: Gwen | July 6, 2010, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Paul Krugman is not only clueless, he is dangerous. I deal with small businessmen every day. They are scared and extremely upset with the Obama Administration’s outright hostility to business, proprosed tax rate increases, disatrous cap and trade plans, support for election free union elections and outraged by the health care bill. As a result, they have hunkered down, put expansion plans on hold and begun building their cash accounts for the day when the federal government gets its policy making head out of its destructive Progressive orifice. This Administration is now directly responsible for the weak recovery. Nothing changes until we replace Congress in 2010 and the Presidency in 2012.
Posted by: BubblerDad | July 7, 2010, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Rather than worry about ‘The Condifence Fairy’, I think we need to be more concerned about ‘The More Stimulus Fairy’.
Posted by: dmounts000 | July 7, 2010, 8:54 am 8:54 am
About 20% of the workforce or 26 million people are out of work, underemployed, or given up the search! Hello? These people are “hunkering down” because they don’t have a paycheck, not because they are “worried” about the stock market or over-regulation! The demand is there – they need to buy new clothes – they want to replace that broken washer – they would love to help pay for kids’ college. But they are “afraid” to spend because they don’t have the income, and don’t see where it will end!
The average length of unemployment is now 31 weeks, that’s nearly 8 MONTHS, with over 9 Million Americans are underemployed – meaning they work part-time when they actually want to work full-time. Our country needs to focus on re-building JOBS, not draconian gloom and doom paranoia from the Obama haters. What is wrong with promoting small business jobs? Why would anyone be unwilling to help a neighbor out of work?
Posted by: green.goddess | July 7, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Posted by: BubblerDad | Jul 7, 2010 7:56:10 AM posted: “small businessmen…are scared and extremely upset with the Obama Administration’s outright hostility to business.”
I AM a small businessman. Check out the SBA web site – how are these programs somehow “hostile”? Now I’m no fan of Cap and Trade, but it won’t impact my small business anymore than any other bubble market manipulations by Goldman Sachs. And as far as the health care bill, the massively increasing premium costs were killing my employees and my profits, + it’s my understanding that small employers (less than 50) are exempt from penalties for not offering coverage.
NO small business that wants to survive will “put off expansion” when they feel customer demand – otherwise, their competitors will be happy to take the money. Our nation needs JOBS to release that spending demand.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 7, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm