Obama Frames His Economic Week: ‘We Made Enormous Progress’
From Sunlen Miller
President Obama today said that the report by pay czar Kenneth Feinberg, showing that firms paid out $1.6 billion in ill-advised, but not illegal, executive compensation, just underscores the need for reform and the financial reform bill he signed into law on Wednesday.
“The need for this reform by the way was underscored by the report issued by Ken Feinberg this morning, identifying a number of financial companies that continued to pay out lavish bonuses at the height of the financial crisis, even as they accepted billions of dollars in taxpayer assistance.”
In a week spent dominated by the controversy around of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod’s resignation, President Obama came to the Roosevelt Room this afternoon to remind everyone what was missed, hailing the “enormous progress” made on three fronts economically.
Ticking through his victories, Obama additionally hailed his signing of the improper payments bill and the overcoming of a procedural blockade in the Senate to restore unemployment insurance for 2. 5 million Americans out of work.
“So, taken together, we made enormous progress this week — on Wall Street reform, on making sure that we’re eliminating waste and abuse in government, and in providing immediate assistance to people who are out there looking for work,” Obama summarized.
The president called on Congress to pass the controversial $30 billion business lending fund. He praised Republican Senators George LeMieux , R-Fla., and George Voinovich, R-Ohio, for crossing party lines last night to help pass the lending provision 60 to 37– clearing past the Republican filibuster and paving the way for a final vote sometime next week.
“I hope we can now finish the job and pass the small business jobs plan without delay and without additional partisan wrangling,” the president said, adding that he hopes this is passed before the August recess.
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President Obama today said that the report by pay czar Kenneth Feinberg, showing that firms paid out $1.6 billion in ill-advised, but not illegal, executive compensation, just underscores the need for reform and the financial reform bill he signed into law on Wednesday.
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Rahm Emmanuel thought of the compensation he received while on the board during a time of fiscal chicanery at Freddie Mac, and snickered into his hand.
Posted by: MayBee | July 23, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
“President Obama came to the Roosevelt Room this afternoon to remind everyone what was missed, hailing the “enormous progress” made on three fronts economically.”
Enormous progress to what end? Turning our already regulated market economy into a command and control economy? Turning us into Venezuela is progress to Obama.
“Ticking through his victories, Obama additionally hailed his signing of the improper payments bill and the overcoming of a procedural blockade in the Senate to restore unemployment insurance for 2.5 million Americans out of work.”
Victories? For whom? Wall Street? Restore unemployment insurance? LOL! This is not insurance. These are transfer payments to the unemployed from taxpayers. In other words, it’s welfare. And he signed the bill despite insisting on the PAYGO rules he signed into law in February (all spending must be paid for), which means he’s a liar. Additional unemployment benefits for 99 weeks wouldn’t be necessary if Obama’s economic policies weren’t EPIC FAILURES! But maybe the unemployment benefits will create an economic boom. Pelosi said they’re the best way to achieve economic growth, so it must be true. These people are idiots.
“I hope we can now finish the job and pass the small business jobs plan without delay and without additional partisan wrangling.”
More idiocy. Business loans are not a “small business jobs plan.” They’re DEBT, with strings attached. Smart business owners are not going to borrow money when their future tax and regulatory burdens are unknown. Period. Unemployment will get worse. Bet on it.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
I googled “out of touch” and a picture of Obama showed up.
Posted by: Noz | July 23, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
“Ticking through his victories, ”
What a perfect way to capture the One’s thought process and the reason why partisanship is on the rise today. He looks at these things as a game. He has no real idea what will happen as a result of these victories, he just knows he won.
Posted by: J.R. | July 23, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
The small business loans will sit in banks and vanish, and never be given out.
Bad bill, resulting in no benefits, in my view.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | July 23, 2010, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
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“When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you will have five days to look online and find out what’s in it before I sign it.” – BHO, JUNE 22, 2007
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Posted by: Gene | July 23, 2010, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
“So, taken together, we made enormous progress this week — on Wall Street reform, on making sure that we’re eliminating waste and abuse in government, and in providing immediate assistance to people who are out there looking for work,” Obama summarized.
“I hope we can now finish the job and pass the small business jobs plan without delay and without additional partisan wrangling,” the president said, adding that he hopes this is passed before the August recess.
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Obama just summarized in two paragraphs why his poll numbers have fallen through the basement. He was so consumed with healthcare, Wall Street, “waste and abuse” in government and unemployment compensation that he overlooked THE biggest area of anger in the country… JOBS. We all know that small businesses are the force behind hiring and retaining workers, but to do that they need some backup, some help. However, you’ll notice that Obama said “I hope we can now finish the job and pass the small business jobs plan…” Finish the job? That should have been the FIRST step on the agenda! The economy can’t grow without jobs, unemployment benefits wouldn’t be necessary if there were jobs (and the latest extension of benefits costing BILLIONS wouldn’t be needed), “stimulus” (LOL) wouldn’t have been necessary if small business help had been put first. Why is it he put EVERYTHING else first, and THEN jobs? Could it be, as I read in an article earlier today that his administration has business experience equaling 7%!!! The average administration had 30-40%. 7%… that’s less than the unemployment rate. 7% is the state tax in some areas. 7% is only 4% less than the approval rating for Congress. Makes me think that a non-business thinking staff = a non-business thinking approach.
Posted by: Shoe | July 23, 2010, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Considering that he doesn’t have a clue how to make a business work, I would take his comments with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Jeff | July 23, 2010, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
“May God have mercy on their souls” said ding dong Alan Grayson. He was talking about the souls of Repubs who wouldn’t vote for the $34B unemployment entitlement, because it added to the deficit.
What God is he referring to?
I thought Obama was the Democrat’s God.
Posted by: molly | July 23, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I can see why Obama is hiding his college grades. I bet he flunked Economics and probably Ethics too.
Posted by: ollie | July 23, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
More speech reading.
America has tuned him out.
Posted by: kyle | July 23, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Fannie/Freddie still have a blank check with our name signed to it. A permanent bailout with NO regulations.
Posted by: greg c | July 23, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
I don’t think Obama gives a rip what is in these 2,000 page bills he signs, or even if they succeed.
He just wants to make history.
Posted by: phelps | July 23, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Obama signed a bill to keep dead people from getting money, but he still hopes to get their votes in 2012.
With ACORN’s help of course.
Posted by: hank | July 23, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“We made enormous economic progress this week”, and set race relations back a few decades.
Posted by: fran | July 23, 2010, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Mary, I repeatedly read your perspective that Obama’s programs are EPIC FAILURES, but that’s just not been the experience at my small business. For example:
Businesses can sometimes expense or write off certain qualified equipment purchases during a calendar year. That deduction was limited to $128,000 and could not be more than the income of the small business. The new Stimulus Bill increased that deduction to $250,000 for tax years beginning in 2008. So what impact did that have?
Since 2007, my customers shed employees. So when demand recently began to pick up, they discovered a need for additional productivity. Our customers have taken advantage of that increased Stimulus deduction – they are again buying new equipment, and in parallel, new software from my company.
The Stimulus Bill also contains other depreciation deductions for small machinery, computer equipment and vehicles that we will definitely take advantage of. My company avoids credit, so we have not needed SBA loans. But other small businesses have been struggling with the banks to release credit for raw materials, making payroll, or buying facilities.
However, Obama’s new small business bill isn’t just loans. From what I understand, it also frees up cash flow by allowing small businesses to carry back general business tax credits to offset taxes we paid over the previous 5 years. Anything left over can be carried forward for 20 years.
There is a long way to go. I still don’t have enough demand to justify new hires, but I can tell the extra work load is growing on too few shoulders; hiring feels pent up.
This is a deep Recession, not like the brief “V-shaped” one we last experienced in the early 2000s. It’s fantasy to imply recovery should magically have happened within months. But my report is not as venomous as yours – Business is still down compared to the Bubble years, but it has definitely picked up since our market FROZE solid back in 2007.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 23, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama’s approval on economy drops to a new low in CNN poll.
Obama and Biden can brag all they want about Recovery Summer–it just makes them look foolish.
Businesses won’t hire and consumers won’t spend because they do not know what Obama will do next.
The tax man cometh. Obama lied.
Posted by: mick | July 23, 2010, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Posted by: green.goddess | Jul 23, 2010 3:33:00 PM
I have successfully run small businesses for over 20 years, 15 of them totally debt-free. I currently run a business that employs eight people. My business grew every year until 2008. My CPA and I typically do one year and three year projections for tax planning purposes. We can no longer do those because we don’t know what taxes and regulations will hit us starting in 2011. As a result, I froze hiring in 2009. Millions of small business owners like me have done the same. There will be no new hiring until we understand what’s coming. Our margins are tighter than before and I have already cut expenses to the bone. If taxes go up, I’ll either reduce my staff or cut salaries. I won’t have a choice because I refuse to run my business at a loss.
Since you feel Obama has a handle on doing what’s best for small businesses, please share with us his track record as a successful chief executive before he became President. What experience did he have in the private sector establishing and growing small businesses, running a payroll, managing debt and expenses, effectively handling crises, and making solid capital investment decisions that resulted in providing valuable goods and services to our economy?
Let me save you some work. He’s done none of those things.
Obama is the enemy of the private sector. In his own books, he referred to his brief stint working in the private sector as “working behind enemy lines.” That’s all you need to know if you’re a small business owner.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
I think we will know in about 6 or 9 months.. if the economy will grow (even at a slow pace).. the real sticking points are continued unemployment and lack of job growth, commercial mortgage backed real estate securities, foreclosures and short sales depressing home sales and construction. Fear of a double dip recession or depression.
The real culprit may be globalization and the demands of emerging market populations for goods, resources and services that we now claim for North America.
Posted by: Dontget818 | July 23, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Nothing like slapping yourself on the back……for nothing.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | July 23, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Stan,if most small business owners felt like green goddess we wouldn’t have had another 460,000 jobless this week.The tax situation next year makes it impossible for many small business owners to expand.All of those “wealthy” families who make $250,000 will have to deal with significant take-home pay drops;instead of investing in their businesses they will have to pay the bills.$250,000 may seem like a lot in rural Oregon; it isn’t in New York or D.C. or L.A.
Posted by: Nephron | July 23, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Mary | Jul 23, 2010 4:19:12 PM posted: “Please share with us his track record as a successful chief executive…”
You are presuming everyone agrees that business experience somehow translates into the best politicians or that once elected, business people with “real world” experience will run government like a business.
For example, I watched from the Silicon Valley sidelines during the years Carly Fiorina demanded expansion for the “job killing” H-1B Visa program and promoted outsourcing of American jobs. Under her leadership of 5 ½ years, HP’s stock lost over 60% of its value. She was forced out, waving goodbye with a $21 million Golden Parachute. The business magazine Portfolio listed Fiorina as one of “The 20 Worst American CEOs of All Time”. No way I’d want this woman to make decisions about how to build American jobs or reduce the deficit – and she was actually a McCain campaign advisor !
So back during the election campaign, should voters have preferred McCain’s “business experience”? The guy married into wealth and took financial advice from the likes of Phil “ENRON” Gramm and Carly.
Imo, arguing that only those who have succeeded in business can drive economic recovery is questionable. I’ve read 40% of this Congress ALREADY call themselves “professional business men/women”. Frankly, I’d rather see a mix of outsiders like economists, public policy analysts, or scientists who may not have experience making “capital investment decisions”, but could contribute alternative solutions to an economy we’ve never seen before.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 23, 2010, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Stan: “Emergency funding is outside of PayGo. Supporting the unemployed during the biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression is emergency funding.”
Hmmm, that phrase sounds just like something Tierra would say. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
Senate Democrats would have had the votes to pass the funding bill BEFORE the 4th of July holiday had they paid for it (you know, almost THREE WEEKS AGO). So I guess it wasn’t that much of an emergency after all. Reckless deficit spending first, the unemployed second.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Don’t see how more govt meddling is “progress”…that is of course unless one is trying to progress central planning
Posted by: jonec1200 | July 23, 2010, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
green.goddess: “You are presuming everyone agrees that business experience somehow translates into the best politicians or that once elected, business people with “real world” experience will run government like a business.”
It’s not about running government like a business. But there are many parallels. It’s critical that Presidents be good governors because they operate the EXECUTIVE branch. Remember, the private sector FUNDS the public sector. For the private sector to be successful to provide the money needed to pay for the public sector, it’s critical that Presidents understand the complexities of successfully running a business and how tax and regulatory policies could impact the growth of businesses. If the public sector keeps growing while the private sector keeps shrinking, economic disaster is inevitable (see Greece).
Before coming to power, Obama had ZERO experience as a chief executive of anything and his legislative accomplishments were nearly non-existent. These were his “qualifications” for the most powerful occupation on the planet.
When Obama held a “jobs summit” soliciting ideas from national leaders to learn about ways to spur job creation, he didn’t invite Governor Rick Perry, whose state of Texas created more jobs than nearly all other states COMBINED in 2008. It doesn’t matter if you like Perry or not. He delivered results: jobs. Instead, Obama invited leaders who DON’T create jobs, like the AFL-CIO boss. It was all propaganda for the lemmings. It was never about creating jobs. It was about expanding government power, rewarding union leaders, and generating campaign money and votes.
Only the public sector has expanded since Obama took power, despite $2 TRILLION in spending. That’s no accident.
It doesn’t matter what he says. It’s what he does. Obama’s fiscal policies are seriously damaging the private sector. The record high jobless numbers prove it.
It’s very telling that the National Bureau of Economic Research is not ready to say that we’re out of the recession. If we don’t recover by December, we’ll officially be in a Depression. And Obama will own it.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
green.goddess: “I’d rather see a mix of outsiders like economists, public policy analysts, or scientists who may not have experience making “capital investment decisions”, but could contribute alternative solutions to an economy we’ve never seen before.”
We don’t need more theoretical nonsense. We need common sense. Obama has over 40 Czars and is surrounded by Keynesian economists. How’s that worked out for us?
We need strong, disciplined fiscal conservatives in both parties at all levels of government who are willing to make some very difficult choices. The gravy train is over. Austerity is coming. Keep an eye on Governor Chris Christie in NJ. He represents the future.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Stan: “We’ve seen the halting of the MILLIONS of private sector jobs…”
Foolish comment, Tierra, er Stan.
Cops, firefighters, and teachers aren’t private sector jobs. They’re public sector union jobs. That’s pretty common knowledge.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Nephron | Jul 23, 2010 4:59:57 PM posted: “If most small business owners felt like green goddess we wouldn’t have had another 460,000 jobless this week. The tax situation next year makes it impossible for many small business owners to expand.”
Just curious – do you run a small business? In my experience, small companies cannot afford to turn away orders when demand hits because they are “worried” about taxes.
Sounds like you are describing a larger company that can afford to pay its people $250K – they can sit on reserves, worried about taxes.
I’d run my income forecast numbers with my CPA, and if that forecast justified hiring, I’d hire, even if it’s only temporary or part-time.
Maybe it’s because our products are innovations or digital, so I don’t need inventory. But we continually spend to “expand” – it’s deductible development.
Posted by: green.goddess | July 23, 2010, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
“The tax situation next year makes it impossible for many small business owners to expand.All of those “wealthy” families who make $250,000 will have to deal with significant take-home pay drops;instead of investing in their businesses they will have to pay the bills”
You obviously don’t run a small business where its advantageous to pay yourself not much in the way of salary so you can continually invest your money back into the business.
Its also cheaper to pay taxes on business profits versus personal income.
If your business is doing well enough that you can pay yourself over $250K in salary, taxes are not that big a worry and you likely can afford and accountant to limit your liability as much as possible.
Obama earlier this week
“”Too often, the Republican leadership in the United States Senate chooses to filibuster our recovery and obstruct our progress. And that has very real consequences,” Obama said in his weekly radio address.
He said that in order to facilitate credit for small businesses, his administration had proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on their investments and establishing a fund for small lenders to help small businesses.”
Posted by: Ryan C | July 23, 2010, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
“We’ve seen the halting of the MILLIONS of private sector jobs lost because of the Bush economic meltdown and the Bush ‘responsible’ management of the economy.
So much for the inept, hypocritical Republicans.”
And blind partisanship and a severe case of “it’s all Bush’s fault” tells me you’re not prepared for an intelligent debate.
Posted by: J.R. | July 23, 2010, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Nephron | Jul 23, 2010 4:59:57 PM posted “instead of investing in their businesses they will have to pay the bills. $250,000 may seem like a lot in rural Oregon; it isn’t in New York or D.C. or L.A.”
LOL. Even in the Internet Bubble living in one of the most expensive places on the planet, “small businesses” in Silicon Valley were not earning their owners $250K – unless they eating up their initial investors. You may recall we are in a recession today – those fantasy IPOs are gone.
This idea that “small business” owners who earn $250K will be hammered by taxes is a myth spoon fed to Conservatives by the Koch brothers.
First, few small business owners today can afford to take a quarter million dollars out of their companies. Second, even IF the small business is having a roaring good year, owners can determine their own pay scale. If they don’t want to step into a new tax bracket, they simply pay themselves a bit less and spend the money instead on a tax deductible perk like leasing a new company car.
The big bucks are further upstream. According to the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis, the average salary for Wall Street employees is $392,000, compared with $63,875 for other workers in New York. Wall Street is not a “small business”, and apparently they are not “worried” either – in fact, according to the NYT our financial sector is HIRING again:
“Wall Street employment, executives, economists and headhunters say they expect the growth to pick up steam in the coming months….Wall Street typically hires in anticipation of the recovery, and there is a sense that the economy has bottomed out and is slowly improving.”
Posted by: green.goddess | July 23, 2010, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
The President is doing a good job, under difficult circumstances. I think all the doomsayers will be quite impressed when he wraps up his first four year term, even more impressed at the end of eight years. He has been keeping his promises, applying intelligence and forward thinking to our nation’s challenges and opportunities. Let’s support the man! The majority of us elected him … that’s the way a democracy works. Congress needs to keep working with him … and keep up this forward momentum. Good job, Mr. President!
Posted by: Eric Melder | July 23, 2010, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
MORE LIES!
If Obama, Holder, and the Dems would put half as much effort into fighting the terrorists and illegal immigrants as they do attacking the State of Arizona, then maybe they’d finish the damn fence and stop playing politics.
But I won’t hold my breath. After all, Obama bows to our enemies and shuns our allies. It falls perfectly in line with his creed of attacking his own citizens.
If it’s not with a law suit, it’s with destroying our liberties and freedoms with his government by fiat.
Obama just doesn’t like people to point out he doesn’t know what he is doing — due to lack of experience. Obama is too stuck on campaigning. He needs to start doing his job.
Posted by: AMERICAN CITIZEN | July 23, 2010, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Pres Barry is coming up on two years in office but the democrats are near four years with the super majority (House and Senate). They could have passed anything they wanted to but Obama’s priorities came first.
Barry insisted on Bailouts and Healh Care overhaul which is going to cost all of us for years to come. Also don’t forget the 2009 stimulus that Barry insisted on would save jobs..
2007 was the year that the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush’s Economic policies and tax cuts SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
2007 was the year that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
Posted by: bl | July 23, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
“I think all the doomsayers will be quite impressed when he wraps up his first four year term, even more impressed at the end of eight years.”
LOL! Eight years? There’s a good chance he’ll be forced to resign before his first term is up.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Progress???
There is a great tidal wave of public debt cresting… it is obscuring the sun… it is about to crash down on the American economy… no one will escape the consequences… not one, not me, not you, not our children and grandchildren…
The Dollar is fiat currency… no inherent value whatsoever… it’s only value is the belief that the government can and will tax the American people enough to pay the debt…
As the debt soars out of control… that belief becomes increasingly strained…
The dollar is faith-based currency… and faith is running short…
We are past the event horizon, past the point of no return… the crash is now inevitable… interesting times are upon us…
Hang on….
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Ryan C: “You obviously don’t run a small business where its advantageous to pay yourself not much in the way of salary so you can continually invest your money back into the business. Its also cheaper to pay taxes on business profits versus personal income.”
What on earth are you talking about? It’s obvious YOU’VE never run a business or even understand taxes. A business profit increases your taxable income (increasing regular income tax and Self-Employment Tax). The Self-Employment Tax is 15.3% of your net profit (double what an employee pays). Unless you have another source of income or you dip into savings, you have to pay yourself a salary or you’ll starve.
Posted by: Mary | July 23, 2010, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
How will it happen? Very quickly… in days… suddenly you’ll go to a merchant and he will say no credit cards, no welfare benefit cards, no checks… cash only…
Each time you go back, it will be cash only, but the price will double and triple..
The government will be very concerned and go into to overdrive to help out… The printing presses will run at high RPM… spewing out dollars to meet the need… bureaucrats will congratulate each other on being able to meet the monthly quota…
At some point along the way, when you are paying $1 Billion for a loaf of bread, there will be a general revolt… Either a dictator will emerge (probably) or there will be complete rupture of the social contract… sauve qui peut.
Fantastic… hmmmm maybe not… look at the ultimate fate of every fiat currency in history…
Are we really so different?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
We need to protect Americans from the burdens of greed on society.
We have a government that cares again. Thank you all who made it happen!
Banking reforms.
HealthCare reforms:
Nuclear arms agreements:
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act:
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act:
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act:
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthor-ization Act:
Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act:
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act:
Student loan reform:
The Republican Party has been reduced to a propaganda machine owned by foreigners. If all you care about is making people vote against their own interests, then all you need to do is proliferate falsehoods and confusion. Republicans don’t have to stand for anything.
Conservatives lost and the American people won. Keep on truckin Democrats.
Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 23, 2010, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Somebody said it… A democracy cannot last… as soon as the people discover that they can vote themselves ever increasing amounts from the treasury they will always vote for those that promise the most largesse (spread that wealth around)… Soon the government collapses under crushing debt… then a dictator emerges…
We are almost there… I just wonder if it will be a right-wing dictator or a left-wing dictator… is there any difference? Does it matter?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
“they will always vote for those that promise the most largesse (spread that wealth around)”
Because in Righty World there is absolutely no sense in having the wealthy pay their fair share of the debt….in fact it’s OK to run up lots of debt by giving them big tax cuts. There is nothing unethical about the middle-class protecting itself in the voting booth from further Republican predation.
Posted by: Skip | July 23, 2010, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Posted by: Skip | Jul 23, 2010 11:11:52 PM
Public debt never comes from tax cuts, it always comes from spending more than the government brings in… Tax cuts have no cost, it is not the government’s money… only spending programs have cost… think about it an you will see that this is true…
If the government took in no money from taxes, there would be no debt… there is only debt when the government spends more than it has…
If the Congress were the board of directors of a private corporation, they would all now be in jail…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
I’ll say a prayer for you tonight ApostasyUSA.
I’ll pray you get blessed with enlightenment.
Posted by: Noz | July 23, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
“Because in Righty World there is absolutely no sense in having the wealthy pay their fair share of the debt” – Skip
You know Skip, you have a point.
Maybe in Lefty World they will fix the inequities and everyone pays 15% of their income.
The rich will still pay more since they make more but everyone will pay and the electorate may just feel better about themselves knowing they gave their fair share.
Skin in the game for everyone!
Posted by: Noz | July 23, 2010, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
There is a gusher of oil washing ashore in the gulf, a gusher of illegal immigration washing ashore in our border states, a gusher of public debt washing over the economy…
The American people cry out for leadership… but there is none…
The Congress continues to spend out of control…
The President issues fatwas out of control…
The Supreme court ignores the Constitution in favor of feelings and foreign law…
Can general unrest be far behind?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Blithely trying to deny the fact that forfeiting potential revenue, by cutting taxes for example, can put a budget in the red might impress your right-wing friends but otherwise it’s just nonsense.
Posted by: Skip | July 23, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
“Maybe in Lefty World they will fix the inequities and everyone pays 15% of their income.”
Amen to that! And let’s move tax day to the first Monday in November or election day to April 16th!
Posted by: J.R. | July 23, 2010, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
We should let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to Clinton era tax rates when we were eventually running surplussed instead of deficits.
Posted by: Skip | July 23, 2010, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
We should let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to Clinton era tax rates when we were eventually running surplussed instead of deficits.
Posted by: Skip | Jul 23, 2010 11:54:25 PM
Wasn’t that under a Republican house and senate? That is the real key… things went well with Clinton only after the Republicans took control of both houses… things went badly under Bush only after the Democrats took control of both houses… things will go well under Obama after the Republicans take control of both houses… It’s the Congress… not the White House….
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 23, 2010, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Enacting the fairtax will create more jobs then any thing else the federal government can do. To understand how the fairtax will create jobs we need to first understand what is wrong with production taxes in a global market.
Most countries that export to America, have border adjusted taxes that lower the cost of their exports (by the amount of embedded cost of tax removed), when not sold inside their borders. Those same countries will also tax imports into their countries.
On the other hand, U.S. producers struggle to compete (in domestic and international markets) with foreign products virtually unburdened with embedded of taxes. America’s income tax has made free trade policies unfair to its domestic producers.
The FairTax progressively taxes only America’s domestic consumption above a families poverty level spending. By taxing consumption of domestic and imported products the same, American manufactures can finally compete fairly in both domestic and international markets.
Posted by: Keith | July 24, 2010, 12:00 am 12:00 am
“things went badly under Bush only after the Democrats took control of both houses”
If the Democrats were ruining things so much why did Bush, Palin, McCain, the RNC and the rest of the Republicans insist the economy was strong almost right up until the election when the investment banks started to collapse? Were they that stupid or were they just lying? Why would they cover for the Democrats like that? Only the right-wing fringe peddles this nonsense, most Americans realize the economy during the Bush administration with both houses controlled by Republicans was a sham which collapsed regardless of what the Democrats did.
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Posted by: Skip | Jul 24, 2010 12:13:14 AM
Why did Barney Frank and Chris Dodd insist that Freddie and Fannie were sound and resist Mr. Bush’s calls for regulation and restraint? Why were Freddie and Fannie excluded from the recent financial reform?
Seriously, just look at the record… under the Dems the debt goes up out of control, under the repubs it goes down, eventually into surplus…
The Dems will spend us into oblivion… hurry November….
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
“There’s a good chance he’ll be forced to resign before his first term is up.”
Next time half the dosage.
Posted by: Ryan C | July 24, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
That should have been halve the dosage
Posted by: Ryan C | July 24, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
“A business profit increases your taxable income (increasing regular income tax and Self-Employment Tax). The Self-Employment Tax is 15.3% of your net profit (double what an employee pays).”
Which is why you should incorporate and pay yourself a salary.
Are you really making the argument that you should not pursue profits because you may have to pay taxes on them?
Posted by: Ryan C | July 24, 2010, 12:51 am 12:51 am
The Self-Employment Tax is 15.3% of your net profit (double what an employee pays).”
Which is why you should incorporate and pay yourself a salary.
Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 24, 2010 12:51:47 AM
And who exactly do you think pays the corporation’s half of the taxes?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 12:54 am 12:54 am
It’s working out so well with the stimulus and all the other monies that have been added to the deficit that it has saved or made so many jobs that we have more people on unemployment and longer than all previous records, now that is a democratic success line,so much- that we’re gonna do it again. And it’s still George Bush’s fault.
Posted by: daddy gator | July 24, 2010, 12:56 am 12:56 am
I believe the dems took over congress in 2006- that is where the money is spent.
Posted by: daddy gator | July 24, 2010, 1:00 am 1:00 am
“Seriously, just look at the record”
Sorry but I find it difficult to take any of your posts seriously. Right-wingers make a full time job of cherry-picking data and statistical samples, making disproportionate representations, exaggerations, coincidence and fabricating cause and effect. Freddie and Fannie were adversely effected by the collapse of the housing market because they are involved in a large part of the housing market. In fact it would be entertaining to see you devise a model where they could have possibly escaped unscathed. The risky policies which precipitated the crisis originated in the private sector.
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 1:03 am 1:03 am
“I believe the dems took over congress in 2006- that is where the money is spent.”
The Democrats took over in Jan of 2007.
Yet again right wing beliefs don;t correlate with reality
Posted by: Ryan C | July 24, 2010, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Debt soars, the abyss looms
It’s all spent, nothing left
Hot summer ahead
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 1:15 am 1:15 am
This current right-wing mantra that companies won’t hire because the Democrats have engendered too much uncertainty in the markets might sound catchy despite guys like Krugman openly scoffing at it but I challenge anybody to prove corporations don’t recognize a perceived payoff in adopting the strategy of not hiring until after Nov to get their political stooges the Republicans back in power. If the Republicans have declared procedural war on Obama it’s certain corporate America has too. The two are indistinguishable.
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Freddie and Fannie were adversely effected by the collapse of the housing market because they are involved in a large part of the housing market. In fact it would be entertaining to see you devise a model where they could have possibly escaped unscathed…
Posted by: Skip | Jul 24, 2010 1:03:00 AM
Their policies caused the downfall of the housing market…
How about a model where they insured only loans made for sound financial purposes instead of loans made for political reasons… loans made to people when it was understood from the start that those loans could never be repaid…
The policies of Freddie and Fannie were Utopian Democrat policies… loans for everyone… spread the wealth around… and then the big fall… and a bigger fall coming where the Dollar itself will be absolutely worthless… Maybe you will open your eyes then… and start to take things seriously…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Posted by: Skip | Jul 24, 2010 1:22:38 AM
So your argument is that corporations are not hiring is because their management doesn’t like Mr. Obama…. really?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 1:29 am 1:29 am
“The policies of Freddie and Fannie were Utopian Democrat policies… loans for everyone..”
Just more unsubstantiated baloney. Sub-prime mortgages for everybody must have been a Republican idea….Freddie and Fannie didn’t hold most of them.
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 1:31 am 1:31 am
You yourself are constantly saying Obama is ant-business….why would they like him then?
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Are you trying to tell me you think corporations wouldn’t like more Republican style tax cuts and deregulation? Isn’t that exactly what Republicans incessantly tout as the answer to all our problems?
Posted by: Skip | July 24, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
The end is nigh…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 24, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am
I agree with the President that progress is being made. Lost in the discussion of the Wall Street regulation of FinReg bill was that, whatever its shortcomings, it will limit excessive speculation in agriculture.
“This landmark bill is a first step toward preventing the excessive speculation by big Wall Street banks that has created enormous price volatility in agriculture and energy markets,” said IATP commodities expert Steve Suppan. “This is an important win for farmers and rural communities whose economic futures are so tightly linked to agriculture and energy.” (source, IATP, Think Forward)
Also, to weigh in on some of the small business discussion, the hiring indexes for small businesses are continuing to make moderate gains (employment among the smallest businesses—those with fewer than 20 employees—continues to pick up according to a wide range of sources, making the experiences relayed by some commenters a bit dubious) and I read recently that according to a recent survey by Harris Institute, one third of all small businesses with fewer than 500 employees intend to hire during the latter part of 2010.
There’s net new hiring, more hours are being given to hourly workers and monthly compensation per employee continues to rise.
Of course, the bad news is that so many people are still unemployed that 3% growth will not be enough to take a big bite of the unemployment rate, despite persistent job gains.
According to the Harris Interactive/Career Builder survey, more than one-quarter (26 percent) of workers who were laid off in the last six months and have not found jobs said they are considering starting their own business instead of finding a new job.
Posted by: dawn_marie | July 24, 2010, 2:15 am 2:15 am
Let’ hear another Bush made me do it. Letting off Goldman Sh__ for a couple months profit, putting a grandfather Amendment in the Stimulus bill to let the execs at banks still get their bonuses (WH claimed Dodd did it and vice versa)– and now the One’s appointee approves billions for Goldman sh__ and other bank execs. Barry is a fool and an idiot to think anyone outside the Beltway believes a word of what he says.
The only bigger fools are those who voted for the Chicago corruption that Barry brought.
Posted by: don | July 24, 2010, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
“We should let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to Clinton era tax rates when we were eventually running surplussed instead of deficits.” – Skip
You talk like someone who doesn’t have money, doesn’t understand how it works in our economy and doesn’t have any hope of becoming financially enlightened.
The Clinton surplus had little to do with the tax rates. They were the result of the Dot Com Bubble which was just as real as the recent Housing Bubble. Clinton was just lucky that he was president while the bubble was expanding, that’s it.
btw, I see you are afraid to comment on your recent Lefty World idea of an across the board fair tax on everyone of 15%.
“why did (all the politicians Dem and Repub) insist the economy was strong almost right up until the election when the investment banks started to collapse?” – Skip
They were following the same spin playbook that Obama is working from each and everyday.
Next question, please!
“Freddie and Fannie were adversely effected by the collapse of the housing market because they are involved in a large part of the housing market. In fact it would be entertaining to see you devise a model where they could have possibly escaped unscathed…” – Skip
Glad to be able to entertain you Skip, this is an easy one.
The model would be, don’t be involved in any housing loans that had less than a 10% down payment on them. B I N G O ! Fannie and Freddie stay viable.
Posted by: Noz | July 24, 2010, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm