By Alex Pepper

Jul 29, 2010 12:55pm

Obama Says Teachers, Not Snooki, Need to Be Idolized

From Sunlen Miller and Yunji de Nies

President Obama said today it should be teachers – not celebrities like Snooki – who should be idolized in this country.

“I want us to build a culture where we idolize the people who are shaping our children's future. I want some teachers on the covers of some of those magazines -some teachers on MTV,” Obama said today  at the National Urban League Convention in Washington, D.C, “I was on "The View" yesterday, and somebody asked me who Snooki was. I say, ‘I don't know who Snooki is but I know some really good teachers that you guys should be talking about’.”

Continued Obama, “The question is, who are we lifting up? Who are we promoting? Who are we saying is important?””

In a major address on education reform in front of the National Urban League the president did just that, outline what is important for him to promote: education.

Mr. Obama took criticisms from the civil rights community and from teachers union head-on of his often controversial Race to the Top education program, which he chalked up to just a  “general resistance” to change.

Speaking to the criticisms from the civil rights community – the National Urban League being among the groups vocal with concerns– that Race to the Top doesn't do enough for minority children by creating a competition where some states and schools get more help than others, Obama said he understands, but disputes that concern.

“The charge that Race to the Top isn't targeted at those young people most in need is absolutely false, because lifting up quality for all our children — black, white, Hispanic — that is the central premise of Race to the Top,” he explained, “ And you can't win one of these grants unless you've got a plan to deal with those schools that are failing and those young people who aren't doing well. Every state and every school district is directly incentivized to deal with schools that have been forgotten, been given up on. “

The president also responded to the teachers unions, critical of the program for what they claim is unfairly penalizing teachers.

“The whole premise of Race to the Top is that teachers are the single most important factor in a child's education, from the moment they step into the classroom,” Obama assured the teachers in the crowd, “So for anyone who wants to use Race to the Top to blame or punish teachers, you're missing the point. Our goal isn't to fire or admonish teachers. Our goal is accountability. It's to provide teachers with the support they need, to be as effective as they can be, and to create a better environment for teachers and students alike. “

The president said that even as we applaud teachers for their hard work – schools have got to see results.

“If we're not seeing results in the classroom, then let's work with teachers to help them become more effective. If that doesn't work, let's find the right teacher for that classroom. “

On the controversy around the creation of national, common standards  for education, that it violates the principle of local control, Obama praised the 30 states who have come together so far to develop standards.

“Instead of Washington imposing standards from the top down, let's challenge states to adopt common standards voluntarily from the bottom up,” Obama said, “That doesn't mean more standards. It means higher standards, better standards, standards that clarify what our teachers are expected to teach and what our children are expected to learn, so high school graduates are actually prepared for college and a career.”

The president said that “none of this should be controversial.”

He pledged to keep fighting for Race to the Top “with everything I’ve got” including using a veto to prevent watering down. Mr. Obama was alluding to the veto threat earlier this month of the $80 billion war funding bill if the final bill included proposed cuts in the Race to the Top program.

“I know there are some who say that Race to the Top won't work. There are cynics and naysayers who argue that the problems in our education system are too entrenched, that think that we'll just fall back into the same old arguments and divides that have held us back for so long. And it is true, as I've said since I ran for president and that everybody here knows firsthand, change is hard. I don't know if you've noticed. That's why I've got all this gray hair.”

-Sunlen Miller and Yunji de Nies

User Comments

Good teachers should be admired and respected. But there are not enough good teachers out there.
As a parent of 2 kids who went to public
schools rated as “school of excellence”,
if these were considered “excellent”,
then our standards for schools are too low!
We need more male teachers; we need programs in high schools where students can get practical experience in the workplace along with study in their areas of interest.
High schools are not challenging enough,
and we need to be teaching high school
student more “life lessons” to prepare them better.

Posted by: paul | July 29, 2010, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

How about everyone currently hacking Glen Beck’s website post a TY to their teachers for a job well done.

Posted by: Flash Override | July 29, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

A President complaining about pop culture in society while taping an episode of The View!!! As he skipped the 100th anniversary of the Boy Scouts! Is he kidding? How can he not see the idiocy of that statement!
A President who has gone on Letterman, Leno, ESPN and etc. has the gall to lecture the country on what’s important. The emperor truly has no clothes.

Posted by: J.R. | July 29, 2010, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

“If we’re not seeing results in the classroom, then let’s work with teachers to help them become more effective. If that doesn’t work, let’s find the right teacher for that classroom. ”
What are we going to do, let them move in with ths students? Why no mention of the family aspect when it comes to learning and effectiveness. I know Obama has mentioned this before and he should hit on it again. There is nothing to enforce or regulate when it comes to families so I guess it doesn’t fit his agenda, but come on, this needs to be hammered home. A strong family, with a mom and a dad, both interested in their child’s schooling is more effective than any teacher.

Posted by: J.R. | July 29, 2010, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

President Obama is right on! People like Snooki are nothing but two bit chumps. I’m really more concern about all the people that watch and support that crappie kind of TV.
As a past teacher, I can tell you, teachers will never get the respect they deserve.
GOP VS America

Posted by: jackson | July 29, 2010, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Who idolizes Snooki?

Posted by: MayBee | July 29, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Ideally, teachers should be looked up to. That is, if we are talking about teachers who, in all aspects, have the quality to be looked up to by our students. I think it depends on the experience of the one talking. If Mr. Obama experienced really great teachers, then I understand him encouraging that teachers be looked up. But as for those who had really awful experiences with their teachers, oh man…surely they wouldn’t wanna hear that….Bottomline: subject first all the teachers to QA before asking us who to idolize…

Posted by: web hosting unlimited | July 29, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

The president has already provided an excellent example of idolizing teacher by publicizing Professor “Skip” Gates. Oh, wait…

Posted by: Bob | July 29, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Kinda funny he is dissing celebity culture the day after his Paul McCartney concert aired, and just hours from a fundraiser at the Vogue editor’s house.

Posted by: MayBee | July 29, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Seems like that ended with Socrates.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | July 29, 2010, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

i agree with obama that we admire snooki rather than teachers.when you look at the last generation however, our education system has failed us miserably. the youth of today have been indoctinated into the great hand out society and largely are incapbale of holding real jobs. we have put all our resources into little johnny and nothing into the best and brightest..why? we probably all know some of the answers and teachers unions have alot to do with it.

Posted by: catman | July 29, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

What the hell does that word mean anyway? NAACP Ben Jealous said “I’ve been snookied.”

Posted by: nat turner | July 29, 2010, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

Did anyone ask Obama what he thought about this?
Shakeup at ABC Over Sexual Harassment Claim

Posted by: Yep I said that | July 29, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

50 years of increased federal involvement in education, 50 years of declining results.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | July 29, 2010, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

“A President complaining about pop culture in society while taping an episode of The View!!! As he skipped the 100th anniversary of the Boy Scouts! Is he kidding”
Ya know I wondered what this hubbub about Boy Scouts was especially since Bush stood up the scouts one year, leaving 300 to fall ill in the wilting heat waiting for him to show up.
Then I watched Colbert last night and he did a segment on how FoxNews was pushing this.
Sure enough Nephron, JR and a copuple of other regulars repeated their outrage over and over.
What lemmings…..

Posted by: Ryan C | July 29, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Obama is absolutely right and I give him credit for saying that our focus is really off kilter in this country. Good teachers should be making more money than just about any other profession. Some CEO making millions while a teacher barely makes a living wage is ridiculous. Who does more to shape our children and our future? Obama is right on. And the right wing nuts on here are again just looking for something to belly ache about.

Posted by: Gretchenmom | July 29, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Foghorn Leghorn SAID “50 years of increased federal involvement in education, 50 years of declining results.”
Comparing education to education 50 years ago makes no sense. I guarantee that the old “readin’, writin’, and ‘ritmatic” you are talking about would not cut it in the 21 century. Most kids 50 years ago did not need to go to college to make a living. Their limited knowledge sufficed and they could still support a family. No longer true. I’m old and remember 50 years ago well- there were segregated schools, most good jobs were for ‘men only”. As a matter of fact that is why teaching is so low paying. It was a women’s profession for years and still has not caught up as far as wages go.

Posted by: Gretchenmom | July 29, 2010, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

What’s a Snookie?

Posted by: Noz | July 29, 2010, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Yes indeed. Everyone should see teachers are heroes because they make
23K for sucky work. Get used to it, being chickenfeed pay is the new patriotism.

Posted by: nat turner | July 29, 2010, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Everybody should love teachers because their union gives Obama’s campaign millions of dollars.Right,Barack?

Posted by: bobmac | July 29, 2010, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

You mean we should have children worship the teachers that are encouraged by the NEA to celebrate communism, the Chinese revolution where communism gained power, and the teachers that have been encouraged to read Alinsky?
No thanks, Mr Obama. You can keep your ideology. We will home school.

Posted by: Teddy | July 29, 2010, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

He’s absolutely right – its a sad thing that are educational standards have been declining. Our children are our most important national resource.
My mom and several friends all have stories about buying supplies out of their own money for their kids.
If we dont’ take care of the teachers who are informing out next generation, what kind of future can this country have?
People need to take back the country and practice the values that strengthened us – hard work, striving and getting a good education. Too long we’ve moved more and more towards worshipping money and fame and chanting the mantra that worships capitalism and wealth instead of hard working people.

Posted by: trueblue | July 29, 2010, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

You know, Carter made a huge mistake when he formed the Department of Education.
Education is way too important to have the federal government involved.
It’s much much better to keep it local that way our nation is assured that at least some kids will be taught the truth and not dogma. We know how a standardized everyone gets taught the same thing has worked out in places such as Cuba and North Korea.
Our nation should push to get rid of the Department of Education or at least keep it out of K-12.
Besides that it hasn’t worked out.
Foggy was right when he said
“50 years of increased federal involvement in education, 50 years of declining results.”

Posted by: Noz | July 29, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Funny, you could say the same thing about Obama…

Posted by: CBA | July 30, 2010, 8:06 am 8:06 am

Education has failed our country.. one room schools taught better reading and math skills than the modern edifices. Of course, this is just my opinion. I think FLOTUS and POTUS have been good role models for education and upward mobility.. we need more like them.
We are raising a new generation of semi illiterate and math challenged children without marketable skills.. it is worse than healthcare, wars and economic recessions. It is a tragedy. I am watching my grandnephew struggle with his future.. it is not just the system, but parenting issues and broken families and drugs..

Posted by: Dontget818 | July 30, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am

“it is not just the system, but parenting issues and broken families and drugs.” – Dontget818
Don’t forget the wonderful contributions from such icons to idiocy like
Puff Diddy Fluff Fluffy Nutter Sean Holmes.
Oh, and of course talent-voids like him would get nowhere without the thoughtful mature enticing audio/visual output of networks such as ABC.
Good job Peeps.
(no charge for the extra sarcasm included)

Posted by: Noz | July 30, 2010, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Snooki challenged Obama on the tanning tax.
She must be destroyed.
Engage the Left Wing outrage machine!
lol

Posted by: Libs and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | July 30, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am

The president was correct in stating that people should admire those who are contributing to toward the advancement of society. Yes it is true, there are some teachers who lack inspiration, but there are far more teachers who believe and work hard at their profession. Most people that I have met and known in education are intelligent, often gifted, idealists. There are many conservatives as well as liberals in public education and most of them, regardless of political affiliation, believe that what they do matters; especially where children and the future are concerned.

Posted by: Proud Teacher | July 30, 2010, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Obviously not a Christian, as Christians only have one God and no idols before us.

Posted by: Downwithsocialism | July 30, 2010, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

In fact, I became a teacher because I admired, respected and loved most of my teachers.

Posted by: Proud Teacher | July 30, 2010, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

This current bashing of teachers from the far right is just another attack on the middle class. They’re scapegoating a group, after economic greed caused the current woes. I would like to know how much the NJ GOV makes, how much wealth he has and if he has healthcare. BTW, he’s Republican and agrees with Obama about that Jersey show.

Posted by: Middle Class | July 30, 2010, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

Teachers, like everyone else need to do a day’s work for a day’s pay.
Like everyone else they should be judged by their results.
Like everyone else their continued employment should depend on their results.
The teacher’s union and the government-like bureaucracy of school administration are the culprits in the failing educational system.
It’s time to contract out public education to private enterprise…
Otherwise there is absolutely no hope for minorities (other than Asian) in America….

Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 30, 2010, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

So, like everyone else, anyone, as long as they have a high school diploma, sometimes even less, should be a teacher? Because teachers are educating themselves throughout their career, as required by the credentialing system. That is of course, after having 5-8 years of college and graduate school, depending on degree level. All teachers pay taxes including social security which they will NOT COLLECT, unlike “everyone else”.
Unlike homeschoolers, thanks to no money, teachers are working at a ratio of 1 for every 35-40 students in a classroom. Specific grades are targeted for smaller sizes ranging from 24-28 kids and up to 15 in special education classes. I’d say, they are pretty much worth more than their pay for a days work, which is never really done, they have a lot of paperwork and training/planning. Teachers are under constant scrutiny by district, county and state administrators to practice specific standards in teaching, which in part relies on the teachers connection with and ability to teach students, knowledge is a must. So not everyone has what it takes to be a teacher. Most of the teachers just have what it takes to deal with everything known about kids and behavior, with at least 15 kids or more in one room and teach them academics as well. Why are the republicans so obsessed with bashing on teachers having a union? Are they going to pick on all public employees and their benefits? Or did the they decide all teachers are evil or something? What is up with going after teachers? Why are they doing that?

Posted by: Hmmm | July 30, 2010, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

All teachers pay taxes including social security which they will NOT COLLECT, unlike “everyone else”.
Actually, a lot of teachers do not pay social security taxes, they pay into an alternative retirement plan, such as, in California, State Teachers Retirement Plan (STRS)…

Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 30, 2010, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Why are the republicans so obsessed with bashing on teachers having a union? Are they going to pick on all public employees and their benefits? Or did the they decide all teachers are evil or something? What is up with going after teachers? Why are they doing that?
Posted by: Hmmm | Jul 30, 2010 11:15:37 PM
I guess they love teachers, but would wonder why so much money spent on public education produces such poor results…
In the end, the only thing that counts is the educational abilities of the graduates… can they really read and figure at grade level? If not, the system is failing… and not worth the money invested…
But no matter the failure of the system… the employees (teachers) always get raises… Unlike any other enterprise…

Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 30, 2010, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

This debate about teachers would be amusing if it weren’t so serious. How about we judge teachers results by the same yardstick we use for banksters? Or blame the troops for how screwed we are in Afghanistan?
A little perspective please.

Posted by: Flash Override | July 31, 2010, 9:59 am 9:59 am

I worked in sales most of my life. At age 31, I became a teacher. I found out that even though I paid social security during those fifteen years, I will not be able to collect any of it. I’m okay with that. I paid from my own pocket to become a teacher. The fee was worth it even though it caused severe financial stress. I knew teaching was for me.
I don’t understand why Republicans are insisting that teachers are in some protected bubble? Most teachers buy most of their own school supplies for student use. We are supplementing the needs of students because school budgets have been drastically affected by this economy.
I see teachers investing just as much time and energy regardless of the fact that class size is back up, stress for supplies and test scores are UP, stress regarding job security is UP and now we’re being thrashed by Republicans?
What is wrong with your party? They seem to have it out for everyone except those who HATE Obama.
Is it because of the unions that protect us from being treated unfairly?
I am proud of our public education system. We take ALL kids, rich or poor, varied physical and intellectual abilities and we all train–specialize in specific areas so that we may improve education for ALL STUDENTS. These days there are a variety of negative factors affecting test scores, including the test itself.
BTW, teachers can’t become teachers without passing rigorous tests beyond grade twelve. Those who are complaining the most about teachers, seem to have no idea about what is really going on with public education.

Posted by: Actually | July 31, 2010, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

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