President Obama Attacks Congress for Delaying His Nominees — Is He Right?
In announcing the recess appointment of Dr. Donald Berwick to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services – and two other nominees — today President Obama said in a statement that “It’s unfortunate that at a time when our nation is facing enormous challenges, many in Congress have decided to delay critical nominations for political purposes.”
That claim is reasonably true for the other two nominees given recess appointments today.
Republicans long objected to the nomination of Philip Coyle, now the associate director for National Security and International Affairs at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, because of Coyle's opposition to missile defense.
The nomination of Joshua Gotbaum, now the director of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, had also been held up.
Unmentioned by the president: the senator who had put a hold on Gotbaum’s nomination was Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, who put a hold on Gotbaum’s nomination in May because of the way Gotbaum’s former employer Delphi Corp. dealt with pensioned former employees.
But it’s not the case with Berwick, whose recess appointment is getting most of the attention.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., echoed the president's suggestion, saying that “Republican lockstep stalling of Don’s nomination was a case study in cynicism and one awful example of how not to govern.”
But Republicans were not delaying or stalling Berwick’s nomination.
Indeed, they were eager for his hearing, hoping to assail Berwick’s past statements about health care rationing and his praise for the British health care system.
“The nomination hasn’t been held up by Republicans in Congress and to say otherwise is misleading,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, which would have held Berwick’s hearing.
Grassley said that he “requested that a hearing take place two weeks ago, before this recess.”
Berwick’s nomination was sent to the Senate in April, and his hearing had not been scheduled because he was participating in the “standard vetting process,” a Democratic aide on the Senate Finance Committee told ABC News.
But speaking not for attribution, Democratic officials say that neither Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., nor Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chair of the Senate Finance Committee, were eager for an ugly confirmation fight four months before the midterm elections.
White House officials and Senate Democrats argue that Republicans weren’t acting in good faith, that they were hoping to use Berwick’s nomination to demagogue the career of a widely-respected pediatrician praised by myriad medical organizations as well as President George W. Bush’s CMS administrators. Democrats say that the GOP was planning to use this confirmation fight to re-litigate the health care legislation battle, a fight they lost.
Is the desire to avoid that debate enough of a justification for a recess appointment?
Does using the Constitutional recess appointment prerogative so as to avoid having to expend political energy and capital on a fight one doesn't want to wage – does that live up to the president’s stated promise of transparency?
For many Democrats, the answer is yes. They argue that GOP obstructionism and the desire of certain Republican senators to unfairly assail Berwick as a sort of death panel advocate drove the President to make the recess appointment.
Baucus, publicly at least, seemed to take issue with the president’s decision, issuing a public statement saying, “I'm troubled that, rather than going through the standard nomination process, Dr. Berwick was recess appointed. Senate confirmation of presidential appointees is an essential process prescribed by the Constitution that serves as a check on executive power and protects Montanans and all Americans by ensuring that crucial questions are asked of the nominee – and answered.”
President Obama said today that his “recess appointments will allow three extremely qualified candidates to get to work on behalf of the American people right away. With more than 180 nominees still pending before the Senate, it’s my hope that my colleagues in Congress will agree to put politics aside and move forward on these vitally important positions.”
That backdrop – unprecedented obstructionism, Democrats say – is important, they maintain.
You can argue – and White House officials and Senate Democrats are, in fact, doing so – that Democrats were delaying Berwick’s hearing and the vote on his nomination because Republicans were going to play politics with it.
But a) that’s not the same as Republicans delaying or obstructing his nomination and b) some might argue that there’s also something to be said about combating policy arguments with better policy arguments.
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“…some might argue that there’s also something to be said about combating policy arguments with better policy arguments.”
Who might say that? You might say that? Why don’t you say that? It’s a good point! Take credit for it.
Posted by: Dave | July 7, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
” some might argue that there’s also something to be said about combating policy arguments with better policy arguments. ”
What Dave said!!
Seriously the press should be all over this administration for this extreme move to avoid a hearing.
Posted by: J.R. | July 7, 2010, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Malarkey. His party is in control of Congress……anything that fails in Congress, is the fault of his own party, and no other.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | July 7, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
The first rule of politics is alive and well: tell a big lie long enough, and people will start to believe it. ObamaCare was rammed down America’s throat and its new administrator is soon to follow. We have an angry, vengeful president, totally detached from American history, sympathetic towards our enemies, hostile to Capitalism, ignorant of simple economics, intent on altering America’s ethnic composition (with open borders) as rapidly as possible, and determined to bypass our Constitution and install as much government control as he can before November. Two years of stalemate and name-calling are soon to come until Obama can be replaced and hopefully the damage undone.
Posted by: Richard Lefcourt | July 7, 2010, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
For many Democrats, the answer is yes. They argue that GOP obstructionism and the desire of certain Republican senators to unfairly assail Berwick as a sort of death panel advocate drove the President to make the recess appointment.
==========
Possibly. But they can do that anyway, and the hearing provides a way for Berwick to actually **address those accusations**.
We could say, the Republicans were going to use the Elena Kagan hearings to assail her anti-military actions at Harvard.
And they did!
But *she* used the hearings to defend her actions. And to joke around and make herself likable.
And Democrats used the hearings to bring up other issues.
Letting the American people hear what very important appointees have to say is one of the benefits of the hearings.
Posted by: MayBee | July 7, 2010, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
richard lefcourt…well said and i concur therewith.
Posted by: catman | July 7, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Thank you Sir for helping Our Democracy move forward all congressional puppets on the right can say is scripted for them by their party NO common sense or free will left to any of them understand the Threats to them from whoever is the party leader are lethal—notice how many have primary challenges like mc Cain & other’s.
We must be seeing republican Purity test at work. Know that President Reagan would have never passed it for sure.
NO is not an acceptable word in a Democracy all they know as they continue to screw up is how to have tactics & ploys for political game playing & to live in the past status quo.
Bush always like recess things done when he was in office.
George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, of which 99 were to full-time positions.
Anymore you can do for us the People while they are gone we Thank you for this is the 21st century use all Tools available to you as Our President Please!
We do not need each appointment to turn into a spectacle of choosing to use Lies/Misleading & Distortions to stall; many are too important positions of need now not to be filled honestly.
We the people seem unable to convince congress all we really deserve, need & want are truths & facts getting the work that we pay for done by Honoring their Oath of Office.
Nothing we can do to change the Past, but, everything we do now can change our Future.
showmestategalMO in the Heartland home of President Harry Truman
Posted by: K T LAKE | July 7, 2010, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
It’s undeniable that the GOP’s major weapon of choice against the Democrats has been obstruction. Perhaps they think the public is too stupid to notice and that by somehow, continually casting aspersions on nominees that need to be approved for a functioning government will gather in the undecided voters. First and foremost, their mean spirited stupidity will help to unify Democrats, while the more diverse independent voters will simply see the obvious. The GOP’s ability for self-maiming as it blesses Democrats never ceases to astound me.
Posted by: jane | July 7, 2010, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Democrats control the congress, and the administration’s failure to nominate candidates that present a compelling enough argument to peel off a couple of Republicans to confirm their candidates shows weakness on the part of the Democrats and underscores their basic inability to actually ACT in a bi-partisan manner.
Strip away their claimed justifications, and what you are left with are nominees that wouldn’t likely survive the hearings because Republicans promised to ask hard questions about candidates prior statements and positions!
This is a monumental admission of weakness on the Democrats part – Republicans are being ‘blamed’ for doing their job, vetting nominees – I say keep it up Republicans!
Posted by: N2vip | July 7, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Democrats control the congress, and the administration’s failure to nominate candidates that present a compelling enough argument to peel off a couple of Republicans to confirm their candidates shows weakness on the part of the Democrats and underscores their basic inability to actually ACT in a bi-partisan manner.
Strip away their claimed justifications, and what you are left with are nominees that wouldn’t likely survive the hearings because Republicans promised to ask hard questions about candidates prior statements and positions!
This is a monumental admission of weakness on the Democrats part – Republicans are being ‘blamed’ for doing their job, vetting nominees – I say keep it up Republicans!
Posted by: N2vip | July 7, 2010, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
It’s like I’ve been sayin’: When Obama says “transparency”, he really means “invisibility”. He really means we are going to do as we please and you will not know the real story, ever.
Vladimir Obama and his Congressional Dogs must be disempowered. The healthiest way will be by voting Dems out in November.
Posted by: Carol | July 7, 2010, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
So Obama would rather work around judical review and congressional oversight… Yup just like BUSH!
Posted by: CBA | July 7, 2010, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Giving a recess appointment to someone because your team members won’t bring him up for a hearing and they won’t do that because the questions from the other team might be tough and create some controversy before the election?
Yet, you blame republicans.( what happened to BOOOSH, can’t you somehow blame him)?
Honestly, how in Gods creation can anyone come up with so many pathetic excuses?
Posted by: david | July 7, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
How can they claim the nomination was “held up” when confirmation hearings were never even scheduled?
More political spin is what we need. NOT.
Posted by: Dell | July 7, 2010, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
It seems “winning over the hearts and minds of the people” is a respectful exercise strictly limited to overseas operations..here at home we are simply told to shut up and grab our ankles…again and again and again…
Posted by: cindy | July 7, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
The president is always attacking someone, or blaming someone for his problems. Trying to make people forget that, as president, he is responsible for managing the executive branch of government, including the ineffective, and wasteful use of the stimulus money, and the incompetent management of the oil spill, and the disastrous handling of the economy. The electrical grid in the northeast is failing now, but I remember when Obama was advised to spend the stimulus shoring up decrepit, and failing infrastructure- instead, Obama opted to send out checks to welfare recipients, and bail the states out of their self imposed fiscal calamities. Obama needs to start taking responsibility for the mess he has helped get us in, instead of blaming everyone else.
Posted by: David E. Connolly, Jr. | July 7, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
It wasn’t so long ago that the big story was that the GOP was broken and would never be able to block anything that the new administration wanted to do. The Super Majority headed by Reid and the Lower House headed by Pelosi was supposed to be the exlcusive haven and machinery for the executive branch.
Maybe the people have spoken, we want some level of D.C. gridlock.
Posted by: Dontget818 | July 7, 2010, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
jane,if “mean spirited stupidity” includes a desire to actually ask a question of a nominee I would think that the majority of thinking Americans would fit the same description.Dr. Berwick might be the greatest thing since sliced bread,but isn’t it the job of Congress to determine that?The good doctor did not even have a hearing scheduled,much less a vote.
Posted by: Nephron | July 7, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
The Obama rhetoric of late seems to be setting up the same old scenario.. get your talking points together, send ou the suit and tie reptiles out to spout them.. then jigsaw together the GOP conspiracy and blame game picture.
This is politics as finger pointing usual.
Posted by: Dontget818 | July 7, 2010, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Just read a few articles about Berwick and comments he’s made in the past regarding healthcare. Seems the word “rationing”, along with his love of the UK healthcare system, are among his top issues. He also has a dislike for the ‘free market’ in healthcare. You can go to the Drudge website and click on the link to see videos of his comments and/or read them. I would think with someone leaning in one direction that hard, a question and answer session wouldn’t be a bad idea. But, of course, Obama’s agendas would never be kick started if we actually vetted those he is determined to appoint.
Posted by: Shoe | July 7, 2010, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Obama has rushed this appointment of Dr. Berwick through(again-closed doors) while the Senate and most of the people are home for the Holidays without going through Confirmation hearings because of the “Doc’s” self-professed support of RATIONING health care. There, again goes Obama’s pledge to be accountable and transparent. What a sham!!! Ole Doc. wants to cut $500 billion OUT OF MEDICARE , Iam sure the seniors are going to LOVE that! What a socialist pair of idiots!!!
Posted by: TXAR.55 | July 7, 2010, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Another day another OilBama lie so he can try to hide his end run around the constitution.
Mr. OilBama should check his gallup poll today. Even only 81% of the gullable democrats like him now and only 38% of independents. The man is a liar plain and simple.
Posted by: robtr | July 7, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
what a big cry baby!
Posted by: mj | July 7, 2010, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Why is it that Jake Tapper is the only media guy out there that has the guts to fact check Obama???
Posted by: Maria KP | July 7, 2010, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Really is anyone surprised at this?? Obama is a spoiled egotistical brat who if he doesn’t get what he wants he finds a way to strong arm or bully. He can’t go through the normal channels because not one of this liberal nominees would get through easily. Maybe if he nominated somone who was mid-stream he wouldn’t find such resistance.
Posted by: karen | July 7, 2010, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Oh how Obama was gong to Change the way politics were handled in Washington. Transparency yada yada . He has not kept one promise. Deceitful lying administration
Posted by: karen | July 7, 2010, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
So Obama is lying again. Why are we not surprised.
Posted by: paulejb | July 7, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Obama – You LIE!
Posted by: JDW | July 7, 2010, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Obama is so intellectually dishonest. And there is just nothing intellectual about John Kerry.
Posted by: ctmom | July 7, 2010, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
They wanted to avoid a confirmation hearing because they were afraid the Republicans would play politics?
Like the Democrats have never done that?
Posted by: MarkTheGreat | July 7, 2010, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
“NO is not an acceptable word in a Democracy”
Somebody does not know the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.
Posted by: MarkTheGreat | July 7, 2010, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
“Liberty is the possibility of doubting, the possibility of making a mistake, the possibility of searching and experimenting, the possibility of saying No to any authority–literary, artistic, philosophic, religious, social and even political.” ~ Ignazio Silone
Posted by: Sensitive Sue | July 7, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Nephron,
I guess earlier I was being impulsive in my use of descriptives. But the Republican filibustering has reached record proportions in the last couple of years, with cloture being invoked at least 70 times and over 130 motions filed for cloture against filibusters during 2009. Most of us are familiar with the repeated objections and blocking attempts the GOP has attempted with nominees. Both are repeated and thoroughly predictable behaviors, so I’m okay about calling them mean-spirited.
Maybe Berwick shouldn’t have been rushed through with a recess appointment; because for one, it could have drawn attention to the “healthcare reform” bill. I find it to be a deliberately long document at around 2,000 pages that forces tax and individual subsidies on a bad product that receives little oversight for the hundreds of millions of dollars it gains. I’m okay with his opinions on exercising less costly and more conservative patient care, but wouldn’t have minded the added attention drawn to healthcare.
Posted by: jane | July 7, 2010, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Ezra Klein has a couple of more interesting posts on Berwick– at least more interesting from my viewpoint:
The conservative case for Don Berwick (which notes that “insofar as Berwick is a radical, he’s a radical in favor of a patient-centered health-care system — a position that has traditionally been associated with conservatives, not liberals.”) And also, Berwick and the NHS (which notes that Berwick’s calls for reform “seem to target many of the aspects of the system that concern conservatives, notably its tendency to let experts and bureaucrats tell patients what’s best for them”)
Posted by: progressive mama | July 7, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
He is Campaigner in chief
He is Fund-raiser in chief
He is BS in chief
He is FINGER POINTER IN CHIEF
he is not COMMANDER IN CHIEF
Hey, you MAIN STREAM MEDIA, did you wake up? I will show you my vote on 2010. Don’t think we are THAT stupid.
Posted by: talk from sf | July 7, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
I can’t recall any president since Carter that keeps on blaming the previous ADM. Did he know that the previous adm was past tense?
Why didn’t he put more of his time on solving our nation’s problems instead of attacking, attacking, attacking.
Only does he looks strong when he attacks. Too bad.
Posted by: talk from sf | July 7, 2010, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“Berwick’s calls for reform ‘seem to target many of the aspects of the system that concern conservatives, notably its tendency to let experts and bureaucrats tell patients what’s best for them’”
“But Republicans were not delaying or stalling Berwick’s nomination.”
Obama lied about Republicans delaying the confirmation process and appointed Berwick without allowing time for even one hearing… Hmmm…
Posted by: Sensitive Sue | July 7, 2010, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Washington Monthly’s Political Animal blog also has a good post on this topic:
“OBAMA CUTS SHORT NONSENSE ON CMS NOMINEE…. (points out the Berwick is considered a visionary by those who’ve worked with him, and that he’ll get a lot of important work done in regards to health care reform between now and when, as a recess appointee, he’ll need Senate approval (late next year). After all, its already been three months since Obama nominated him, and he ought to be an uncontroversial selection.) According to Benen, “the Berwick nomination became a proxy fight for conservatives to complain about the Affordable Care Act in advance of the midterm elections.”
See also Meet The Don, TNR, Jonathan Cohn. ( Cohn points out the importance of the CMS position: “CMS director is always an important job. But it’s even more important now, as the Obama administration starts to implement health care reform. Not only must CMS prepare to deliver coverage to millions of new Medicaid recipients. It must also re-engineer Medicare itself, so that it pays for services in ways that foster better, more efficient care.)
Posted by: progressive mama | July 7, 2010, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Obama lied about Republicans delaying the confirmation process…
where did he lie? Do you have a quote?
Obama said, ““It’s unfortunate that at a time when our nation is facing enormous challenges, many in Congress have decided to delay critical nominations for political purposes.”
I agree with him, and Jake points out that 2 of 3 appointments have been held up– as have endless others. Where does Obama specifically lie about Berwick?
He made a general statement.
If you have a critique based on facts, make it, but lying or distorting yourself doesn’t build up much cred when it comes to calling out “liars.”
Posted by: progressive mama | July 7, 2010, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Apparently, someone lied about Dr. Berwick’s background.
When the White House announced Dr. Donald Berwick as President Obama’s choice to lead the $800 billion Medicare and Medicaid agency in April, officials hailed his long list of credentials, including current roles as a professor at Harvard Medical School and the Harvard School of Public Health.
“He is also a pediatrician, adjunct staff in the Department of Medicine at Boston’s Children’s Hospital …” the White House announcement of the nomination of Dr. Berwick to lead the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) states.
But Dr. Berwick hasn’t seen a patient in years. And the two Harvard professor positions listed on his White House biography as well as another position as a senior scientist at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston are essentially “honorary professorships,” which require two or three seminars or meetings a year, The Washington Times has learned.
Posted by: Karen | July 7, 2010, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
pmama, you will defend Obama till the death wont you?
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | July 7, 2010, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
“Ezra Klein has a couple of more interesting posts on Berwick– at least more interesting from my viewpoint:”
Here we go again…references to Lefty bloggers who have no real-life experiences from which they can offer informed opinions…
Again, p-mama, those of us who know better don’t even bother reading your points once you bring up these partisan (and ususally absurd) sources. Imagine your impression of posts that read “Glen Beck said it well when he stated…” or “Ann Coulter has a great article today on this topic”…Get the point? (I doubt it)
Posted by: tjp612 | July 7, 2010, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Obama Bypasses Senate For New Medicare Czar…
‘Expert on Rationing’…
FLASHBACK: ‘Health care plan must redistribute wealth’…
Did White House oversell appointee?…
Dem leader blasts end run…
MO Lt. Gov. Sues Feds Over Health Care…
The takeback of America begins in Nov…prepare for investigations of this radical left wing extremeist
Obama VS America
Posted by: Yep I said that | July 7, 2010, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
promama=Michelle? Maybe? I’m just sayin!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | July 7, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Thanks Jake for being one of a rare breed of ethical and fair journalists left in the mainstream media.
Posted by: Mark | July 7, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Three more recess appointments again today? Every time Congress adjourns Obama makes more appointments…at this rate he’ll far exceed both Bush (171) and Clinton (140) in circumventing Congress.
This is change? This is transparency?
NO! NO! and No! Rather this is another example of Obama pursuing an agenda that neither Congress — our elected representatives — nor the people of the US lend their approval. It wasn’t right when Bush and Clinton took advantage of the system and it is still not right today.
Posted by: cadronBoy | July 7, 2010, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
“President Obama Attacks Congress for Delaying His Nominees — Is He Right?” – ABC News
I don’t even have to read the article to know that NoBo is wrong.
Just because ABC news questions NoBo’s veracity in the headline means the Prez is wrong and or lying once again.
What a dufus our president is.
Posted by: Noz | July 7, 2010, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
So Barry and his pal Johnny Kerry are LYING to the American people…again.
Posted by: GarandFan | July 7, 2010, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
The more salient question is:
Does this despicable man KNOW anyone who is NOT a damable communist?
Obama is the worst president in history.
Posted by: LogicalUS | July 7, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Basically …Big “O” thinks the American people are dumber than doorknobs!
Posted by: shawn | July 7, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
I am as sick of the weakling cowardly press as I am of our lying, slimeball president.
Posted by: formerdem | July 7, 2010, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
I see mostly Drudgery around here.
Posted by: jane | July 7, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Get the point? (I doubt it)
Posted by: tjp612 | Jul 7, 2010 4:55:39 PM
What you don’t get is that I don’t care if people like you read them. At all. Its not ALL ABOUT YOU, believe it or not. Or your like-minded pals. I’m well aware you’re representing for the epistemic closure of the right wing (see blogosphere debate that started with an article by libertarian-leaning Julian Sanchez, and upon which several bloggers weighed in.) — and that you refuse to read anything you assume you’ll disagree with. Based on that alone, its pretty clear I don’t comment for your benefit.
I post what I post, and I think micromanagement by those who claim to be independent-minded and liberty-oriented is rather ironic.
Get it yet?
I doubt it.
But anyone interested in another perspective can check out the four pieces mentioned in my posts at 4:32:13 PM and 4:13:53 PM
Yes, they’re from progressives and liberals. As my screen name suggests, I lean progresseive. lol.
The good argument to mention here, for any one who cares about good arguments, is that brought up by commenter, Maybee at 1:53:10 PM; I understand Maybee’s argument but also think that there are reasons mentioned in the Jonathan Cohn piece I brought up that make this an important appointment to get rolling and on the job: Not only must CMS prepare to deliver coverage to millions of new Medicaid recipients. It must also re-engineer Medicare itself, so that it pays for services in ways that foster better, more efficient care.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 7, 2010, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Transparency at its finest. Hope, Change, can you feel it baby!
Posted by: Aaron | July 7, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Today is one of those infuriating days that I feel I have been lied to by the Obama administration. Obama’s distortion of the facts regarding his recess appointment is the smoke that proves there is a fire.
Will the press call him on it, or let it slide?
Isn’t it important that these insincere words came directly from Obama!?
Posted by: Mike, CO | July 7, 2010, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Progressive, if the Administration and Democratic leadership were really serious about filling this position at CMS, they wouldn’t have used a recess appointment that only lasts one year. It’s pretty hard to lead and make changes if everyone knows you are a part timer.
I think we can now kiss that meme goodbye.
Posted by: Aaron | July 7, 2010, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Berwick believes in the redistribution of wealth just like Barack.Obama did not want to bring this up for the country to once again see.He also did not want to have remind people how much the majority of the country despises Obamacare.
Posted by: bobmac | July 7, 2010, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
If Obama’s appointees weren’t such far left wing Hahvahd-trained Marxist fanatics that nominating them is basically giving the finger to Republicans, he could get his appointments confirmed. I’m not saying make conservative appointments, but the reason Senate approval is required is precisely to avoid nominees outside of the political mainstream. Nominate people who can get a couple Republican votes from New England, and nobody complains about things like transparency and accountability. That’s basic Leadership 101.
Posted by: Dave H | July 7, 2010, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Progressive Mama,
Good call. You have to remember that these far-right wing radical Republican terrorists don’t really think for themselves. They can’t read beyond a 5th or 6th grade level, if they can read at all. They’ll only say whatever they are told to say by the radical Community Organizers on Fox News and AM Radio such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc.
It’s pretty funny to see these children call people like Obama a communist or even a socialist. It really shows a lack of command of the English language. But, I suppose these kids need to feel like they are in some kind of club. They just want acceptance by their extreme fringe far-right wing buddies.
Wouldn’t you want that, too? I know I would if I were a loser in life. I know I’d be looking to blame everybody for my own faults and shortcomings. But, alas, I’m a successful progressive and don’t feel the need to play the blame game. You wonder why these people blame the government? It goes along with their lack of ability to take responsibility for their own actions. The “party of personal responsibility” is nothing more than the party of blame everybody else for their own issues.
Although the centrist democrats are in charge, hopefully, the policies that they implement, although far from progressive or liberal, will prevent a second Great Republican Depression. Only time will tell.
Posted by: C Lee | July 7, 2010, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Mr. Obama will one day blame it on the rain.
Posted by: young_voter | July 7, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
“lack of command of the English language”-like the pronouncing “corpsman” as “CORPSEMAN”?Or claiming that an videotaped beheading “electrified the world”?C Lee,even if everything in your rant was true,it would still be immaterial to the central question posted by this blog-how can Obama claim obstruction with the Berwick nomination when no hearings were held,no views presented,no vote taken?
Posted by: Nephron | July 7, 2010, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
C Lee,
Your comment illuminates a seemingly ubiquitous and hypocritical prejudice of the far-left- and I thought conservatives were supposed to be the bigoted hive-mind. What exactly is so “extreme” about the desire for this country to function as it was designed? The slow, but apparently inexorable usurpation of states’ rights by the federal government is contrary to the country’s founding principles. Conservatives are not implicitly antagonistic towards government involvement. We only insist that the involvement be limited to the state and local governments, unless appropriate (read: specified in the constitution). Closer proximity of the governing apparatus engenders a better understanding of the problem, and allows a better opportunity to dependably observe the efficacy of solutions. Similar problems exist in many differing forms, and with varying severity, when considered in the geographical context of the nation as a whole. What exactly is superior about creating a single immutable solution for every embodiment of that problem, regardless of this diversity? The federal government is an unwieldy and inefficient behemoth. If you central-planning types think that such a creature, with all of its inherent ineptitude, has the agility and competence to address the rapidly changing and wildly disparate challenges that each state and community faces, you are either ignorant, or you have set the bar for success decidedly low.
Based on the pompous and condescending tone of your post, I don’t expect a substantive reply. I presume you wouldn’t stoop to engage with a nescient vassal who simply regurgitates right-wing talking points from the usual suspects. You are obviously far too occupied being a successful progressive and touting your intellectual dominance via comment forums.
Cheers.
Posted by: dfloyd | July 7, 2010, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
This recess appointment fits perfectly with government and media in the Obama age. Every American will be intimately affected by the decisons Mr. Berwick will make, but none of us will be provided with the opportunity to hear publicly how he intends to implement and manage our health care. Our congressional representatives will not vet him and,in so doing, the majority party will conveniently avoid any direct responsibility for approving his appointment or signing off on his intentions for our healthcare. The reason for their doing so is, of course, that his views and plans will not survive public scrutiny. This is quite obvious and you and your employer surely know that.
All in all, a perfect sea of decisions which will affect us all made by administrators of who we know nothing, led by an unvetted public servant implementing a deeply unpopular national healthcare plan. And most discouraging of all – the media, ABC and you will play your part in this charade by sinply refusing to inform the public or raising any serious questions about how our goverment is functioning.
Deeply, deeply corrosive for all involved.
Posted by: Rdavis | July 7, 2010, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Today’s daily dose of outrage! Obama attacks Congress, the Supreme Court,the states, destroys NASA, the oil companies, coal companies,business,wall street, the banks, auto industries. Is there anyone left he hasn’t attacked?
Posted by: Elle | July 8, 2010, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Not his fault, he inherited this whole delayed appointments thing from Mr. Bush…
Didn’t the Dems actually go through with some “Congress in Session” phony baloney to keep Mr. Bush from doing exactly what Mr. Obama is doing..?
Come to think of it, didn’t Mr. Obama support that phony baloney?
Does that make Mr. Obama phony baloney?
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | July 8, 2010, 1:19 am 1:19 am
GOP incumbents are RINOS, quiet closet socialists. They want the same thing the oust spoken Marxist democrats want only they wouldn’t make so much noise about it.
Posted by: Ruler4You | July 8, 2010, 2:19 am 2:19 am
Somebody needs to call the WAA-mbulance.
I love it how the Democrats use the very same tactic when the opposing party is in office and hypocritically decry it when it’s used on them.
What a bunch of babies. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
Posted by: EPU | July 8, 2010, 2:35 am 2:35 am
Meanwhile, according to the Washington Post today, the Democrats are digging harder than ever for dirt on Republicans. This is because that’s all the Democrats can try with their approval numbers in the pits, passing health care bill while the vast majority (55%) of Americans opposed it, seeing no economic improvement except in government growth and government job creation of only government jobs.
Sorry Democrats, you can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
Posted by: EPU | July 8, 2010, 2:39 am 2:39 am
100 percent rite. he has taken the perfect step. but he must need to be patient.
Posted by: Blog HTML | July 8, 2010, 4:57 am 4:57 am
Socialism – evidently the Change some had Hoped for.
Posted by: clayusmcret | July 8, 2010, 6:21 am 6:21 am
Nobody who knows about Obama’s past is surprised about this appointment through the back door (transparency, anybody?) of more redistribution in the name of healthcare. This President and his admin have done more to undo individual liberties than I could have conceived could happen in this short a time. Checks and balances be damned! It is terrifying to see this great country reduced so quickly to mediocrity (or less). You can keep your hope and change–this President is a collossal failure across the board.
Posted by: sonya7075 | July 8, 2010, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Former Alaska Gov. Plain was brutalized by the Press for talking about the possibility of ‘ death panels’.
Now her question doesn’t seem so far-fetched, does it ?
What would you call the ‘process’ Berwick champions, when he says funds for ‘end of life’ patients will have to be rationed, in order NOT to hurt the rest of the citizenry ??
I HOPE each and everyone who has touted this Healthcare monstrosity are FIRST in line for any proposed cuts or rationing. It would only be fair — and that’s Progressives theme, right ? Fair ?
But the real culprits will still be the elites who WON’T have to sacrifice, just the rest of us.
The LIES we were told about Healthcare reform are slowly being exposed — REPEAL it, please !
Posted by: rannan3 | July 8, 2010, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Former Alaska Gov. Plain was brutalized by the Press for talking about the possibility of ‘ death panels’.’
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Yes, she’s a liar eager to disinform and fearmonger- or dumb as a box of rocks and duped herself, take your pick. And her new youtube ad is superficial, slogan-filled, empty-headed and content-free (as well as lacking in diversity or charm)— she’s absolutely politically ambitious looking at making a run for President.
In regards to patient-centered healthcare, which is what Berwick advocates, you can’t really be fiscally responsible AND opposed to many of the types of reform he supports.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 10:07 am 10:07 am
GOP incumbents are RINOS, quiet closet socialists.
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Then unless you’re a RINO, too, or a “socialist” like all of us not on the far right, you should absolutely NOT vote for anyone in the GOP, right?
I agre with that last part. Don’t vote GOP– spread the word.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
We only insist that the involvement be limited to the state and local governments, unless appropriate (read: specified in the constitution).
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When do you insist on that?
Only when a Dem is president?
What a bunch of crap.
Conservatives who vote for Republicans do not stand for small government, a strict interpretation of the government or fiscal responsibility.
They stand for social close-minededness and conserving the atatus quo in terms of power relations and inequity.
Give us a break.
lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 10:22 am 10:22 am
correction on last post: a strict interpretation of the constitution
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Yes, listen to progressivemama, whose job it appears to be to troll ABC’s comment threads and spout endless praise for Obama, and to deride his detractors.
Don’t vote GOP, even though the Democrats have plunged the country into and have assured it will remain in the worst economic shape in decades, with plans to double down on that as well. Don’t worry. Bid Daddy Government will fix everything. Just vote for more of the people who progressivemama tells you to.
Don’t vote GOP, becuase they might do evil things like restrain useless and wasteful government spending, putting a roadblock to Obama’s spend-spend-spend-spend agenda that has yielded nothing but high unemployment and unsustainable and unprecedented debts for every American..
Don’t vote GOP, and you’ll soon have lots of redistributionists with guns and handcuffs telling you you must now do things you never had to do before – for the “greater good,” of course. And the greater good is whatever the Democrat party decides is the greater good that particular day. The GOP is the party of mandatory and forceful wealth redistribution, transferring private property from the “haves” to the “have nots” as a matter of near-religious ideological devotion.
Don’t vote GOP. Just allow the most corrupt, irresponsible, profligate, partisan Congress in recent memory to keep doing what it’s doing, to keep rubber stamping the most destructive big-government agenda since Jimmy Carter’s malaise days, becuase that Congress is doing such a great job in every way imaginable that you can’t even wrap your little wingnut minds around it.
Don’t vote GOP, becuase when your health premiums start to shoot up next year, you can blame the, er, GOP minority for passing the health care bill against the public’s will that caused the increases and that will eventually ruin the health care system (only to replace it with…blank out).
I could go on – this Administration has given us all so much material to work with in such a short time – but you get the idea.
By all means – keep pulling that lever for Hope-get the government you deserve and that you vote for.
Posted by: Good Lt. | July 8, 2010, 10:29 am 10:29 am
>They stand for social close-minededness and conserving the atatus quo in terms of power relations and inequity.
Newsflash. Obama and the Democrats ARE THE STATUS QUO. They’re in charge of all branches of government. They’re the status quo. The conservatives are the counter-culture now.
I don’t know if in your rush to lick Obama’s boots each and every day if your realized this yet, but the status quo needs to be changed. Obama and his disciples need to go, and the nation is realizing this (too late, unfortunately).
I’m unaware – how much did Michelle and Barack Obama make last year? $5.5 million or thereabouts?
Yeah. They’re definitely practicing what you’re preaching, though.
Keep swinging for the bleachers, progmama.
Posted by: Good Lt. | July 8, 2010, 10:35 am 10:35 am
The conservatives are the counter-culture now.
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lol.
Not as long as they vote for Republicans and pass on Koch-funded type talking points, and they typically do. Catch a clue: Boehner Invites Lobbyists To Help Form GOP Agenda In Intimate Meeting At His Office
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I present to you…..The Most Transparent Administration in History!!!!!
[Flashing Applause Sign]
Crickets……
Posted by: etp | July 8, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Yes, listen to progressivemama…
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I don’t care one way or another, but on the “troll” and Obamabot b.s. I say: Prove it…. list out 20 times I’ve “praised Obama” and derided others on the basis of their comments about Obama specifically.
20 times each, if I do it “endlessly” — if its “my job”– it should be no problem. lol
Truth is you can’t because that’s not my deal, and rather than my job, politics is my hobby. My deal is that I don’t like the GOP, to put it mildly. I’m not big on either party, but I can’t stand the GOP in particular. They are a failure and they have no good ideas, solutions or integrity. I think conservatives are phoney baloneys– and any who may have principles are selling out the failed GOP anyway because they feel they have no choice and/or are duped. But my real deal is that I love this country. I don’t want it destroyed by the duped and less-than-bright nut jobs and the nefarious greedy neocons on the Right.
All regardless of Obama.
Though he’s doing a much better job than McCain would have, imho. And I voted for him– and I think he is who he said he is, and he’s doing all right. Not perfect, and his admin needs some tweaks.
But yes, we agree on this much: don’t vote GOP.
The GOP sux.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 11:07 am 11:07 am
>Boehner Invites Lobbyists To Help Form GOP Agenda In Intimate Meeting At His Office
Right, and Obama appointed 17 lobbyists to serve in his administration days after he “banned” lobbyists from serving in his administration. Google “Obama appoints lobbyists” to find any number of stories about this.
This is what happens when political talking points die. This is what happens when your only sources of information are the DNC, MSNBC and the Huffington Post – you become impervious to (or completely ignorant of) facts that are politically inconvenient for Democrats. You are, but you’ll never become educated if the only information you read is that which supports your ideological and political predispositions.
I’m here to help, progmama.
We’re told by the Democrats that this administration is “CHANGE” from business as usual – but that was a lie. All public opinion polling suggests that people are realizing this – Obama’s below 50% (down from around 70% in Jan 2009), and DemCongress has acheived the lowest polling of any Congress in the history of polling. Can’t blame that on the GOP, no matter how much you want to.
You Democrats OWN the economic and sociopolitical mess you’re creating. With power comes responsibility. The buck stops at Obama, etc.
We’re going to remind you, and everyone else, of this every day this President remains in office. Get used to it.
Posted by: Good Lt. | July 8, 2010, 11:13 am 11:13 am
“Not as long as they vote for Republicans and pass on Koch-funded type talking points, and they typically do.”
I dunno, progmama…they’re a lot less tiresome than you and the rest of the Obamatards continuously regurgitating your SOROS-funded talking points.
Posted by: greybeard3 | July 8, 2010, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Obama is a liar.
He stood before the nation and accused the Republicans of delaying the Berwick hearings when the Democrats are in total control.
Obama has dissed the Senate Democrats and in appointing Berwick in this manner he may be in violation of the Constitution which provides for appointments without Senate consent to fill a vacancy which occurred during a Senate recess!
The healthcare position was vacant long before the Senate went into this short recess period.
Posted by: Hazmat77 | July 8, 2010, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
progressive mama | Jul 7, 2010 4:32:13 PM
Perhaps to you its unfortunate, but the SENATE has the duty and obligation under the Constitution to “advise and consent” … and the Senators are obligated to review and discuss the nominated candidate, not rollover because the president wants his appointee.
This provision applies regardless of the political party in control.
Posted by: Hazmat77 | July 8, 2010, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
This administration has shown time and again that it will do anything to get it’s agenda foisted upon us rubes,it’s for our own good though,because we americans are to stupid to take care of ourselves,so this administration thinks,I’m investing in the company that makes handcuffs and stunguns,after nov 2nd we’ll need the cuffs for those in this administration and the stunguns for those who will not leave peacefully.Issa has a plan.
Posted by: actsnow | July 8, 2010, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
He stood before the nation and accused the Republicans of delaying the Berwick hearings when the Democrats are in total control.
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Out of curiosity, do you have a quote on him specifically accusing the Republicans of delaying the Berwick hearings, or did he say in a general statement that it is unfortunate “that at a time when our nation is facing enormous challenges, many in Congress have decided to delay critical nominations for political purposes.”
And do you disagree with the post thatthe claim is reasonably true for the other two nominees given recess appointments today– and for many other nominees?
I agree.
The GOP is a failed party. Boehner has to meet in private with lobbyists to come up with an agenda.
Pathetic.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Then I guess Bush I was a “socialist” as he appointed Berwick for the same position. President Obama is Correct. The republican party ONLY agenda is to REGAIN the “authoritian” government they ran for 8 years, and has NOT worked with THIS president after all they fu%ked up. THIS is the only president that has NOT had his appointees confirmed for KEY positions in our government. These are the same republicans Who yells about their LOVE of their country, but yet is willing to see it FALL! Yes, Jake and any other common-sense person person that is not blinded by liars and racism….the President is Right.
Posted by: sara | July 8, 2010, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
“When do you insist on that? Only when a Dem is president?”
I do so consistently. Are you presuming that I am a Bush apologist? His policies of unchecked spending and federal expansion, while dwarfed by Obama, were met with equivalent disdain by many conservatives.
“They stand for social close-minededness [sic] and conserving the atatus [sic] quo in terms of power relations and inequity.”
You seem to be projecting views upon me that I do not entertain. The government should have very little involvement with regard to social issues- it’s not the business of the government, particularly at the federal level. There are some politicians who claim to be conservatives, but use their position to push a religious social agenda at the federal level that I consider distinctly misguided.
I am dissatisfied with some Republicans almost as much as I am with most Democrats. Unfortunately, until a better option is presented I will vote for what I judge to be the better, albeit imperfect, alternative.
“What a bunch of crap”
“Give us a break.”
Your dismissive attitude is ironic in the context of your accusations of close-mindedness.
Posted by: dfloyd | July 8, 2010, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Posted by: Good Lt. | Jul 8, 2010 11:13:45 AM
I’m not a Democrat though I tend to vote Dem for US jobs and I quote a wide range of sources, including Reason and Cato, as well as WaPo, NYT and yes, Daily Kos and HuffPo. I read widely. But regardless, your opinion is of no consequence to me.
Truth is Boehner can’t come up with an agenda. He’s asking lobbyists to help him after he gimmicky America Speaks Out failed.
As for your help, we’ve seen what your kind of help does for the country– wars of aggression on borrowed money, rising deficits, crashing economies, bursting Housing bubbles, poverty, misery, intrusions into rights to privacy, torture, failure to address domestic issues such as growing numbers of uninsureds, crumbling infrastructure, a politicized DOJ, and a corrupt Interior department, including MMS.
But you’re “hoping” Republicans have changed, right? From their business as usual.
Or do you disagree with the American people and think they did a good job during the 00′s and prior, when they let deficits take care of themselves since they were so big and all?
lol, lol, lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Are you presuming that I am a Bush apologist?
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No, but given your response in light of my qualifier, I’m presuming you vote Republican regardless of your stated principles and despite their failings. If not, good for you, maybe you’re stated principles do count for something. Truth is I’ve seen no evidence that conservatives actually push to put any of their rhetoric into action– on small government and fiscal responsibility. Most do not. If you are actually a conservative, can you see that?
There are a lot of faux conservatives out there, which is why I followed up my “what a bunch of crap” venting with a qualifier: “Conservatives who vote for Republicans” as in “Conservatives who vote for Republicans do not stand for small government, a strict interpretation of the government or fiscal responsibility.”
I do know fiscal conservatives who vote libertarian and constitutional conservatives who voted for the dude Rand Paul supported after getting ticked at Barr (forget his name.)
The Republican party’s track record on social close-mindedness, growing government and big deficits is pretty clear– and the data is readily available for verification (as is their dismal track record when it comes to job creation, poverty and shrinking versus growing the middle class.)
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
“despite their failings”
clarification: their refers to the GOP
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I do indeed vote Republican, unless there is a chance that a true conservative or libertarian could win. While the GOP’s thirst for federal expansion is inexcusable, it is insignificant compared to that of the left.
While I would enjoy witnessing conservatives putting their “rhetoric” to action, there are substantial challenges to this. Creating small government from big government is a daunting task, as government grows with tremendous hysteresis. Entitlements create dependants. Trimming them implies taking away “necessities” from people who will vote to protect them. It also means that people who pay for something (Medicare, Social Security, etc) their entire career will never see the benefits- not a very palatable notion. Of course, this is already being considered with the current leadership entertaining the idea of “progressive” Social Security benefits. “Progressive” in this context is code for: “everyone pays, but if you were prudent enough to prepare for retirement, you get nothing back.” In addition, when unelected bureaucrats, deeply entrenched in administrative positions, are empowered to craft policy, reversing the breadth of federal authority is nearly impossible.
So why do you consider it a complete abandonment of principles for conservatives to vote for Republicans when their views do not align perfectly?
I noted your displeasure regarding Bush’s “torture” of presumed enemy combatants, but what is your opinion of Obama authorizing the targeted assassination of a US-born citizen? I assume, based on your expectation of rigid adherence to principles, that you consider the remaining Obama supporters faux-progressives.
Are progressives that desire a single-payer health care system faux-progressives for supporting the current Democrats in congress?
You also criticize the GOP-led expansion of government and deficits (as do I). Is this acceptable to you under progressive leadership? If so, why do you detest it only under GOP leadership? If not, do you criticize Obama for doing it?
With respect to job-creation, where is the “readily-available” evidence of the dismal Republican track-record? Unemployment declined sharply under Reagan and rose substantially under Johnson and Carter. Obviously, the drivers for unemployment are too complex to draw a causal relationship simply from the correlation of incumbent executive party to unemployment rate. Regardless, the Obama strategy to tax and spend for “job creation” is an obvious farce to anyone unwilling to suspend basic logic and reason. Sequestering funds from the economy, then distributing it back as “stimulus” (minus the obligatory administrative overhead) is hardly a way to keep businesses growing, unless you consider non-productive government administrative jobs “business.”
Posted by: dfloyd | July 8, 2010, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
So why do you consider it a complete abandonment of principles for conservatives to vote for Republicans when their views do not align perfectly?
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First, I didn’t say it was a complete abandonment– what I said is that conservatives who vote for the GOP don’t stand for small government and that claiming ” We only insist that the involvement be limited to the state and local governments, unless appropriate (read: specified in the constitution)” is a load of crap. You claimed differently, based on whether or not I apply the same standard to progressives or am open-minded or some such, but didn’t connect any dots or make a case.
Frankly, I don’t think your stated principles merely do not align perfectly with the GOP; I don’t think they align at all, and that what conservatives are “conserving” is the status quo in wealth and power relations and inequity, which are jury-rigged to benefit the wealthy and powerful. To wit, Boehner meeting with lobbyists to set an agenda. They don’t have a policy agenda. Of course, its not really surprising that Boehner would do so given that when the Senate began work on a jobs bill, Republicans huddled with corporate lobbyists. When the House began work on Wall Street reform, Republicans huddled with industry lobbyists. When Congress worked on health care reform, Republicans huddled with insurance lobbyists and used their talking points during the floor debate. When the Senate moved forward on an energy/climate bill, Republicans huddled with energy lobbyists.
Under Bush and a Republican Congress we experienced an explosion of growth of government on all fronts: spending like maniacs (did Bush veto a single spending bill in eight years?), huge deficits and a doubling of the national debt, corporate bailouts, further centralization of education, protectionism, expansion of Medicare, a war of aggression, civil-liberties violations, unchecked executive power. Bush did not veto a single spending bill in eight years. His cutting of tax rates in 2001 and 2003 has to be judged in the context of growing spending.
Government grew under Reagan, Bush, and Bush. The rich got richer, and the poor got poorer and the middle class shrank with more entering poverty than becoming wealthy. Wealth didn’t trickle down to those at a disadvantage, rather they were left on their own. And the nanny state raged on with much intervention in the (not so) free market– patents, subsidies, etc.
What’s hilarious is that Republicans and conservatives who vote for some of the worse culprits add rank hypocrisy to the mix by claiming to favor free markets, fiscal responsibility and small government.
Perhaps, you’re different. But whether you are or not has nothing to do with me.
In most cases, “conservatives” are just mouthing rhetoric that will never be put in to action– and, let’s be real, based on your post, it doesn’t sound like you think it will ever be put into action either.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
progressive mama wrote:”Yes, she’s a liar eager to disinform and fearmonger- or dumb as a box of rocks and duped herself, take your pick. ”
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Lets see… she didn’t hang out with a bunch of radical communists growing up, didn’t have her house purchased for her by Tony Rezko, didn’t listen to Rev. Wright for 20 years, didn’t have her mind filled with “progressive” MUSH at Haahvaad with all the rest of the snot-nosed overeducated collectivists. Looks like you’re the one who was DUPED.
Posted by: gk | July 8, 2010, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Looks like you’re the one who was DUPED.
Posted by: gk | Jul 8, 2010 10:57:08 PM
I didn’t do any of those things either.
I also wasn’t found wanting on the ethics front after taking on a public role, or quit my job halfway through my term. And I wasn’t the one who told the whopper of the year last year according to fact checkers.
But, hey, logic or the appropriate use of analogy isn’t a strong suit of yours… that’s fine. Maybe try again, and stick a little closer to something you can do correctly when making a case– well, if you’re going for making sense. Otherwise, carry on with your crazy talk.
I stand by what I said: Yes, she’s a liar eager to disinform and fearmonger- or dumb as a box of rocks and duped herself, take your pick. From her speech in Texas recentlty, a real doozy:
“Such oversight is in the best industry of our nation and the public and industry.”
“…I think Obama is kind of flirting with also, some government overreach. We are a rule of laws, not a rule of presidential fiats that I think President Obama would rather have sometimes, it seems.”
(We are a rule of laws?… but that’s just the tip of the iceberg, as the half-term governor of Alaska’s voice gets higher with each word and faster after each sentence in her speech; sorta like the rambling speech she gave when she let her constituents down and quit her job”.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 8, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
progressive mama wrote:”I also wasn’t found wanting on the ethics front after taking on a public role, or quit my job halfway through my term. And I wasn’t the one who told the whopper of the year last year according to fact checkers.”
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But you blindly defend, …The One…, who has done all of the above, and more, and yet castigate Palin for supposedly doing these same things.
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“But, hey, logic or the appropriate use of analogy isn’t a strong suit of yours… that’s fine. Maybe try again, and stick a little closer to something you can do correctly when making a case– well, if you’re going for making sense. Otherwise, carry on with your crazy talk.”
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Analogy: Palin ethics? oBama shady real estate deal with Rezko, selling of his Senate seat which it looks like he was hip-deep in getting his gal Val into the spot, etc, etc, etc.
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Analogy: Palin quitting her job halfway through her term. oBama using his time as a US Senator to run for President and quitting early.
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Apparently Ezra Klein doesn’t teach these concepts since that’s who does your thinking for you.
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“I stand by what I said: Yes, she’s a liar eager to disinform and fearmonger- or dumb as a box of rocks and duped herself, take your pick. From her speech in Texas recentlty, a real doozy: ”
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You should listen to …The One… sometimes sans teleprompters. Its absolutely embarassing. Don’t just rely on what Ezra tells you to think. Listen… look around… you are being duped. The truth will run you over one day and it won’t be pretty.
Posted by: gk | July 9, 2010, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Posted by: gk | Jul 9, 2010 8:42:47 AM
Um…. I said Palin was a liar, dumb or duped— and I stand by that, you certainly haven’t proved otherwise, by changing the focus. Then, you said I was duped. Your failed attempt at analogy hopped back and forth between Obama and me, and still does.
That’s not how its done. If you’re trying to do an anology to me,you stick to me; if you want to do one with Obama, stick to Obama,unless you think the President and I are one and the same.
It is funny to watch you twist yourself all in knots to defend a politician– and a corrupt one at that– at all costs while projecting your blind loyalty to that politician onto me and how I view Obama. I think you’re the one huffing and puffing to protect you’re “THE ONE” (Palin.)
lol, lol, lol.
(p.s. Ezra doesn’t comment on Palin — or if so, I’ve never seen it, but keep swinging and missing. He’s more oriented toward domestic policy, and I typically agree with him most on health care; check the threads, or catch a clue, or stop obsessing about me and worry about yourself and, yes, truth. Seek truth.)
Ciao till September. Thanks for the chuckle before I head out.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 9, 2010, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Posted by: dfloyd | Jul 8, 2010 4:21:36 PM
dfloyd, I didn’t get a chance to answer your questions about progressives and Obama which I think are fair, but I think there’s a good article at The Nation (which, yes, is progressive) from July 7th that gets at what you’re talking about, that the system is more or less rigged against progressivism, just as I tend to think its rigged against true conservatism as you see it.
Its called “Kabuki Democracy: Why a Progressive Presidency Is Impossible, for Now” (by Eric Alterman) You can read it if you really want a good look at the issues you raised, or a couple of them, anyway.
Posted by: progressive mama | July 9, 2010, 10:46 am 10:46 am
You mention the GOP interaction with lobbyist as if it is a unique characteristic of theirs. The left is equally beholden to lobbyist, particularly unions and lawyers. Obama administration officials have been using their private email accounts to interact with lobbyist, and meet with them “off-campus” in an attempt to circumvent federal disclosure and email archiving laws. There was (rightfully) outrage when the Bush administration did this. Are you outraged that the Obama administration is doing the same, despite his claim to be independent from lobbyists?
Your list of Bush criticisms (many of which I share) has been repeated by Obama, and in most cases intensified- though I only hear the criticism of Bush. If violating civil-liberties was unacceptable under Bush, why is authorizing the assassination of the US-born citizen acceptable under Obama? If deficit spending is a problem under Bush, where do you stand on Obama doing the same?
I started reading the article, but I don’t have enough time to finish it right now. So far, it appears to have a common theme: blame Bush, blame Cheney, blame Fox, blame the GOP. There are some anecdotes, one about GOP obstruction to payday loan regulations because of campaign contributions. While a debate can be had on the merit of such an effort, the article presents this as evidence of GOP corruption as if to imply that the left is immune to such things. What was the reason that the Democrats killed a scholarship program that allowed poor DC kids (mostly minorities) to attend private schools if they demonstrated scholastic aptitude? I can venture a guess. When you consider both state and national elections, in the previous election cycle the two teachers unions, NEA and AFT, outspent AT&T, Goldman Sachs, Wal-Mart, Microsoft, General Electric, Chevron, Pfizer, Morgan Stanley, Lockheed Martin, FedEx, Boeing, Merrill Lynch, Exxon Mobil, Lehman Brothers, and the Walt Disney Corporation combined. The NEA was the top national donor, with all but a few percent going to Democrats. Was the program successful? Yes. Did it help underprivileged children? Sure. Was it worth it to the Democrats to risk future union contributions, just to help some poor kids, after the NEA and AFT came out against the program? Apparently not.
Posted by: dfloyd | July 9, 2010, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
You mention the GOP interaction with lobbyist as if it is a unique characteristic of theirs. The left is equally beholden to lobbyist, particularly unions and lawyers.
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The left or the Democrats? And where did I claim any uniqueness. The insinuation was that they are worse, the more evil of two evils, to use a cliche. What I said is that the Republicans are pathetic and dependent on lobbyists. They are meeting with lobbyists to set an agenda. They don’t have one– they have no good ideas or solutions after having contributed to many of the problems the nation faces. Of course, its not really surprising that Boehner would set it up given that when the Senate began work on a jobs bill, Republicans huddled with corporate lobbyists. When the House began work on Wall Street reform, Republicans huddled with industry lobbyists. When Congress worked on health care reform, Republicans huddled with insurance lobbyists and used their talking points during the floor debate. When the Senate moved forward on an energy/climate bill, Republicans huddled with energy lobbyists.
They have no solutions or ideas. They are dependent on lobbyists for ideas. And many of them– GOP party standbearers either in office or running for office– are hella crazy.
Pointing your finger at the left and saying but, hey, them, too, I think, doesn’t change the situation. Are you okay with the Republicans being beholden to special interests? And nuts to boot? Does the left being beholden to unions, in your opinion, make putting profits and campaign cash over people all right with you if its a Republican doing it?
That’s how it sounds. Like hey,everybody is looting, so that makes it the right thing to do, and I’ll support my tribe in doing the same thing, because why not. Change is too difficult and I can still mouth my rhetoric regardless of facts.
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Are you outraged that the Obama administration is doing the same, despite his claim to be independent from lobbyists?
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Outraged or disappointed?
Disappointed, but not particularly surprised– and people on the left are working on it, as a matter of fact, pressing.
Meanwhile, the false equivalencies between Bush and Obama lessen your argument and make you sound like a Bush apologist, trying to hide it because you know its a crazy position, but not quite being able to.
I see (and can tell) you didn’t get very far in the article.
Ah well. I recommend it to anyone actually interested in the relations between progressives and Obama, and so on: “Kabuki Democracy: Why a Progressive Presidency Is Impossible, for Now” (by Eric Alterman)
Posted by: progressive mama | July 9, 2010, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm