Obama On The Iraq Drawdown: ‘As Promised and On Schedule’
EmailFrom Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller
Announcing that the nation’s commitment to Iraq is changing “as promised and on schedule” President Obama marked “the end of America’s combat mission in Iraq,” this month.
“As a candidate for President, I pledged to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. Shortly after taking office, I announced our new strategy for Iraq and for a transition to full Iraqi responsibility. And I made it clear that by August 31, 2010 America’s combat mission in Iraq would end. That is exactly what we are doing—as promised, and on schedule.”
The president says that by the end of the month more than 90,000 troops will have come home from Iraq since he took office.
“As agreed to with the Iraqi government, we will maintain a transitional force until we remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of next year,” Obama said of the 50,000 transitional force that will remain, “During this period, our forces will have a focused mission—supporting and training Iraqi forces, partnering with Iraqis in counterterrorism missions, and protecting our civilian and military efforts.”
But, Mr. Obama countered that it should be clear the nation’s commitment in Iraq is now changing, from a military effort led by our troops to a civilian effort led by our diplomats. “
The president touted that in many parts of the country already Iraqis have already taken the lead for security, claiming that violence in Iraq is near the lowest it’s been in years. But the Iraqis say just the opposite. That government counters that July was the deadliest month in more than two years, with 535 deaths, including 396 civilians, 89 policemen and 50 soldiers, along with an additional 1,043 people wounded.Yesterday in a rare move, the US Military issued a statement refuting those figures, saying that 222 people were killed and 782 wounded.
While the war in Iraq winds down, President Obama today also defended his decision to increase US forces in Afghanistan.
“Let us never forget—it was Afghanistan where al Qaeda plotted and trained to murder 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. It is Afghanistan and the tribal regions of Pakistan where terrorists have launched other attacks against us and our allies. And if Afghanistan were to be engulfed by an even wide insurgency, al Qaeda and its terrorist affiliates would have even more space to plan their next attack. And as President of the United States, I refuse to let that happen.”
The president said that they are making progress in the region, and are focused on the goals laid out in a speech in December of last year.
The president assured the group that the country is going to take care of them when they come home from battle – and that as they mark the end of America’s combat mission in Iraq, “a grateful America must pay tribute to all who served there. “
“Our nation’s commitment to our veterans—to you and your families—is a sacred trust. And to me and my administration, upholding that trust is a moral obligation,” Obama said, “Since the rumors continue to fly, let me say it as clearly as I can. The historic health care reform legislation that I signed into law does not—I repeat, does not—change your veterans benefits. The VA health care and benefits that you know and trust are safe, and that includes prosthetics for our disabled veterans.”
-From Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller
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Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 2, 2010, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
“As a candidate for President, I pledged to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. . . . . . . That is exactly what we are doing—as promised, and on schedule.” – Barack Obama
Hey Barry, sure is easy to do something as promised, and on schedule when it was set up for you to do so by the Bush Administration. I doubt you will be able to say as much regarding Afghanistan in 2011. That’s unfortunate but expected.
[sarcasm]
Glad to see you used this announcement to try and bring us together as a people by giving credit to President Bush and the Republicans. This should go a long way towards nurturing some bipartisan spirit you have been looking for from the Congress.
Way to go Mr. Social Activist!
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Posted by: Noz | August 2, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
With Jake gone, this blog does no fact checking or offering of counter points.
It simply offers rewrites of Presidential speeches.
Posted by: MayBee | August 2, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
What a joke, if it had been up to Obama we would have surrendered several years ago.
Posted by: billy bob | August 2, 2010, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Obama–”the Surge will not work, in fact it will make things worse.”
Obama thinks he can just keep on foolin’ the American people.
Remember in November 2010 and 2012.
Posted by: Kevin from Wisconsin | August 2, 2010, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Great news. Happy for the troops and their families.
Posted by: Kathy | August 2, 2010, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
“Glad to see you used this announcement to try and bring us together as a people by giving credit to President Bush and the Republicans. This should go a long way towards nurturing some bipartisan spirit you have been looking for from the Congress.
Way to go Mr. Social Activist!”
Why would anyone give credit to people who got us involved in a conflict that was of no benefit to the country based on fraud and fake intelligence?
Posted by: TheTruthSpeaks | August 2, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Gee, I seem to remember both Congresses take over and the Presidential take over of offices being led by promises of IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq.
Posted by: Maverick537 | August 2, 2010, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
ann compton belongs on star trek. look at her
Posted by: dubp | August 2, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
ann compton belongs on star trek. look at her
Posted by: dubp | August 2, 2010, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Compton says ‘..Fascinating..’
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“As a candidate for President, I pledged to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end.”
Utter defeat in Iraq would have been the only outcome if Senators Obama, Reid, Schumer and all the other Cut and Run Liberals had been successful at shutting down the Bush/Petraeus Surge.
Harry Reid cheering for Defeat in April 2007:
“This war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything”
and
“We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.”
Posted by: Libs and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | August 2, 2010, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
“Utter defeat in Iraq would have been the only outcome if Senators Obama, Reid, Schumer and all the other Cut and Run Liberals had been successful at shutting down the Bush/Petraeus Surge.”
Then there is the point that we never should have gone to Iraq as the war was sold on lies about WMDs and fear.
4000+ American deaths and tens of thousands of soldiers maimed so Bush and the GOP can act like tough guys hoping no one will notice they failed on 9/11 to protect this country.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
led by promises of IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq.
Posted by: Maverick537 | Aug 2, 2010 2:56:06 PM
faulty memory, but that’s okay. Seems most “mavericks” have one.
Posted by: conservatives or con artists? | August 2, 2010, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
None of us ever believed this was about WMD’s or were fearful of Iraq. This was a war for oil, from the gitgo with tascid approval from the most hawkish of Westerners. If Iraq was such a bad idea, then our worst mistake would be to continue and escalate the war in Afghanistan.. I will give Bush credit for not blaming the Clinton administration for ignoring A.Q. and UBL. To Bill Clinton’s credit, he tried to tell the incoming people that the terror threat was eminent and needed immediate attention. I take both sides and don’t delineate strictly by the timing of the events.
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
tacit
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
“If Iraq was such a bad idea, then our worst mistake would be to continue and escalate the war in Afghanistan.”
The Afghanistan war should have been escalated years ago.
“I will give Bush credit for not blaming the Clinton administration for ignoring A.Q. and UBL”
Oh Bush did try to make the case that Clinton ignored Al Queda and of course the GOP propaganda arm did their best to blame Clinton.
Of course Bush spending a month down at the ranch and ignoring Nat Sec briefings warning of imminent attack kind of put a damper on the meme with the general public
But gullible right wingers still swallow it by the handful.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
This was a war for oil, from the gitgo with tascid approval from the most hawkish of Westerners.
Posted by: Dontget818 |
Really? Who got the oil?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 2, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“The Afghanistan war should have been escalated years ago.”And how many Soviets were killed in Afghanistan?And how many Americans have been killed in Afghanistan since Obama took office?And why has the planned offensive for this summer not taken place?And how many Al Qaida are in Afghanistan?And how are things any better now with high casualties than they were under Bush with much lower casualties?Now the big one-Ryan,do you know any Afghan war vets?Do you know anybody there now?
Posted by: Nephron | August 2, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Ryan.. all good points.. I don’t disagree…Obama has done a good job with the wars.. but the continuation of bitterness?? I still don’t see the endgame with Kabul..but as a civilian, what info. do I really have access to.
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
In March 2009 – Obama proposed that these same Injured Veterans he spoke in front of today to pay for their own extended health care from the injuries they received in combat. Yet today Obama is acting like he supports them??? (it was all a photo op) Also the Bush Administration is the one who supported the troops and who saw it through to win the Iraq War and to stablize Iraq. Obama was crying on the sidelines like a weak sister and true to form now wants to take credit for something he had nothing to do with. Obama is a complete disgrace..what is his name?? Barry Soetero, Bary Saebarkah or Barry Obama…all the same person and all the same wimpy closet Muslim. Impeach him. Save America-Impeach Obama!!
Posted by: Tom Meyers | August 2, 2010, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
It depends on the Iraqis. They can have a stable country or go back to civil war. It’s clear now that they have the choice. 50,000 transition troops? Why? What are they going to do? Way too many troops for a country who will sink or swim on its own. Afghanistan is worse. We cannot stop the corruption and the people don’t support the govt. When we transition next year, we will be leaving 50,000 there also??? Why? Why 100,000 troops in the desert where, clearly, no one wants us? It is so annoying that neither Obama nor the GOP will listen to the people – get the #$&%^&%$ out already and stop wasting money on these people.
Posted by: Bob | August 2, 2010, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Obama can thank Bush’s Surge strategy for being successful and getting Iraq stable.
(Obama voted AGAINST the surge, however)
Posted by: Paul | August 2, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
The war was waged for oil, I never said we got any. The Chinese have taken an interest in Iraqi oil, they need it as much as the U.S. No one really knows if a more aggressive Afghan war (back when we invaded Iraq) would have had a positive outcome. If you look at the lack of interest by the other countries participating in these conflicts.. you might say that neither war is a popular or successful undertaking (not a bad pun).
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
The war in Iraq may be winding down, but the costs will continue as the veterans will need medical care for a long time. Add in the Afghanistan conflict, and the VA hospitols will be very active physically and financially.
The up-front cost of war is always more obvious than the mop-up costs.
Fiscally responsible Republicans need to remember that the next time they rattle their swords.
Posted by: Wayne | August 2, 2010, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“If you look at the lack of interest by the other countries participating in these conflicts.. you might say that neither war is a popular or successful undertaking”
Except for the fact that there are more countries providing more assistance in Afghanistan than in Iraq.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
“In March 2009 – Obama proposed that these same Injured Veterans he spoke in front of today to pay for their own extended health care from the injuries they received in combat”
Part of the everything is on the table approach that they later backed away from.
Meanwhile in reality Obama has increased the VA budget significantly.
and in 2007?
NBC”“Either the administration is willingly proposing massive cuts in VA health care,” said Rep. Chet Edwards of Texas, chairman of the panel overseeing the VA’s budget. “Or its promise of a balanced budget by 2012 is based on completely unrealistic assumptions.”
He would be talking about the Bush admin floating their trial balloon
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
I like what Barney Frank said today.. it’s time for the Europeans to pay for their own defense. Another guy said something like, we are still protecting Europe, but we are not sure who we are protecting them from.
The U.S. must like carrying the load.. nothing else makes sense.
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 2, 2010, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
But Ryan, the truth is that Obama tried to sneak through the self-pay extended care for wounded vets until he was called on it (by among others John Stewart.)To even conceive of such a plan is disgraceful.But then again,you are not a veteran ,are you? And you don’t know any Afghan vets,do you?You wanted to escalate the Afghan war-why didn’t you sign up for it?
Posted by: Nephron | August 2, 2010, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Obama On The Iraq Drawdown: ‘As Promised and On Schedule’
Bush Did It!!!
(BTW – Is Joe “Plugs” Biden still referring to the success of the “surge” in Iraq as “the Obama administration’s greatest accomplishment thus far?)
Posted by: tjp612 | August 2, 2010, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Why would we fight 2 wars overseas while simultaneously allowing thousands to cross our borders daily completely unchecked, completely unmonitored and free to roam at will, if we’re really under dire imminent threat of terrorist attack?
Think about it.
We have thousands of folks of unknown intention crossing into our country, and the Federal Government led now by Obama, is suing Arizona to keep it that way.
What kind of military strategy is this?
We’re sitting ducks for any religiously convicted whack-job clever enough to …. simply walk across the border.
And the government is suing Arizona to keep it that way.
What will we tell the families in Tucson or Dallas or Phoenix if the worst is realized? We didn’t want to inconvenience anyone by having them show their papers? We thought the terrorists would be nice and come by airplane? We didn’t expect them to so brazenly walk across the border?
Can anyone explain this military strategy please?
Posted by: eyeswideopen | August 2, 2010, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
“But Ryan, the truth is that Obama tried to sneak through the self-pay extended care for wounded vets until he was called on it”
Except there was no sneak thru, it was a plan directly presented to veteran’s groups who the opposed it. Obama dropped it within days after the meeting.
“You wanted to escalate the Afghan war-why didn’t you sign up for it?”
Actually that is an interesting question, as I have morally puzzled over advocating for a war in which I am not doing the fighting. After all, my family’s work is not my own even when dealing with the fears. I am guessing its a moral question many people have when deciding whether or not its worthy to advocate war. I think the biggest thing Americans, indeed all people, need to understand is that war has very serious consequences and should not be undertaken based on lies to make a nation;s leader look tough. Reading the casualty lists everyday reinforces that.
Maybe you had similar feelings while demanding Obama’s kindergarten records.
” And you don’t know any Afghan vets,do you?”
Actually I know quite a few vets that have served in either and both theaters. Most of them much younger than I am.
Its a military town after all.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
“Number of deportations of illegal immigrants is UP under Obama.
Number of southern border patrols is UP under Obama.
Amount of money spent on border security is UP under Obama.
Number of people involved in securing the border is UP under Obama.”
Number of crazy right wing lies about illegal immigrants – WAY UP!
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Why isnt the fact that Obama is withdrawing 50,000 troops from Iraq and all is going as planned front page news here? We won the war in Iraq. ABCNEWS is mad I think. I know this victory for democracy and capitalism really upsets you liberals. Dont feel bad. Obama still has a chance to lose Afghanistan for you. Maybe he is inking up a surrender to the Taliban as we speak.
Posted by: joey07054 | August 2, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“I know this victory for democracy and capitalism really upsets you liberals.”
Iraq was a victory for capitalism?
I realize we used more mercenaries then we have in our history but does that make it a victory for capitalism?
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Ryan,weren’t you one of the posters jumping on on Cheney and other neocons for being Chickenhawks-it seems that the pot is calling the kettle black in regards to Afghanistan.You are never to old to serve your country-my father was called up for Desert Storm ;my brother-in-law is going to Iraq in 2 months,my partner’s son is in southern Afghanistan now.I’m sure they can find a spot for you.
Posted by: Nephron | August 2, 2010, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Really? Who got the oil?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Aug 2, 2010 4:10:10 PM
The big corporate interests – who else?
Posted by: radisfarm
Which big corporate interests?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 2, 2010, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Why would we fight 2 wars overseas while simultaneously allowing thousands to cross our borders daily completely unchecked, completely unmonitored and free to roam at will, if we’re really under dire imminent threat of terrorist attack?
Think about it.
Posted by: eyeswideopen |
Because the majority of them will vote Democrat.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 2, 2010, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
“Ryan,weren’t you one of the posters jumping on on Cheney and other neocons for being Chickenhawks”
Yup. Because of the bravado involved.
Like Bush telling the terrorists to bring it on (which they did killing 1000′s of our soldiers).
Even Bush feels bad about doing that.
“my father was called up for Desert Storm ;my brother-in-law is going to Iraq in 2 months,my partner’s son is in southern Afghanistan now”
Like I said my family’s work is not my own, you apparently feel differently.
So do you not have moral qualms of advocating for war when you are not going to fight it?
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
So Nephron do you tell your brother in law and partner thank you?
After all they provide you cover(in your mind apparently) to act all bad### on a blog in addition to serving our country.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 2, 2010, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
this is completely outrageous! That a moron who was vehemently against the surge now wants to take credit for it, now that it has made it possible for troops to be brought back home. What a complete idiot! The shameless moron should admit the surge worked
Posted by: icenvon | August 2, 2010, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Believing this fiction involves ignoring the fact that 50,000 troops or more, as well as countless contractors, would remain in Iraq.
Posted by: WinstonSmith | August 2, 2010, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Furthermore, when he gets those troops out of Iraq where will he send next? Iran!!! Right on schedule he is.
Posted by: WinstonSmith | August 2, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
i really don’t want that buffoon sending troops anywhere else. Let him just bring them back home. This is not a honorable leader we are talking about. This is a lier and a cheater.
Posted by: icenvon | August 2, 2010, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
It is our troops, past and present, that deserve thanks and recognition for freeing the Iraqis from a tyranny and starting them on the way to a free democracy.. Thank you. And thank you, Mr. Bush.
Posted by: Sigmonde | August 2, 2010, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
eyeswideopen wrote:”Can anyone explain this military strategy please?”
.
Not a military strategy… its a DEMOCRAT vote getting strategy. These are potential DEMOCRAT votes before they are potential terrorists. Think of it in those terms and it will all make perfect sense.
Posted by: gk | August 2, 2010, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
It was Bush that signed the agreement on leaving before he left office. I don’t get it.
Posted by: politico | August 2, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
It’s interesting how scared some Americans are scared of Obama and how much they need to make him out to be a failure/loser. Just recall how the entire world reacted after his election. So of course, if you are uncomfy with him, you will try very hard to justify it. You must.
Posted by: Designer Sunglasses | August 2, 2010, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Obama tells lies, he tells them until he believes them and tells them until you believe them. 2012 will be the most interesting election of all time. Are we a country of idiots or are we not?
Posted by: Wrong Way | August 2, 2010, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
I’ll believe it when I see it! for the soldiers and their families sakes, I hope it’s true. I’d like to see the other 50K brought home as well.
Posted by: robin | August 3, 2010, 12:23 am 12:23 am
When Mr. Obama was running, he was promising a cut and run plan, which he has now morphed into following the plan he inherited from Mr. Bush…
Astounding dishonesty…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 3, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“When Mr. Obama was running, he was promising a cut and run plan, which he has now morphed into following the plan he inherited from Mr. Bush…”
ROFLMAO!
Obama campaigns on responsible withdraw in stages but withdraw nonetheless.
As 2008 winds down and our UN mandate expires (meaning we have no legal right to occupy Iraq) Bush signs a new agreement for….withdrawing US forces in stages responsibly.
“Astounding dishonesty…”
Astounding cognitive dissonance
Posted by: Ryan C | August 3, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
“As the time passes, and the Bush plan is poorly executed under Mr. Obama’s regime, they may yet get their wish… but now it will be their nightmare…”
ROFLMAO!
Iraq turn out alright, Bush’s plan.
Iraq goes awry, Obama’s fault.
Geeez I won’t even put you in the same category as other right wingers,.
Def in a class of your own.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 3, 2010, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 3, 2010 1:01:03 AM
How silly… if things went poorly in Iraq while Mr. Bush was in power, of course he bore the responsibility…
And if thing go badly under Mr. Obama, of course he will bear the responsibility… as well he should!
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 3, 2010, 1:09 am 1:09 am
“Obama tells lies, he tells them until he believes them and tells them until you believe them. 2012 will be the most interesting election of all time. Are we a country of idiots or are we not?” – Wrong Way
Wrong Way, you win The Post-o-da-Day Award™.
You asked the Billion Dollar question.
I wonder what the answer is.
“It’s interesting how scared some Americans are scared of Obama and how much they need to make him out to be a failure/loser.” – Designer Sunglasses
The American people don’t need to do anything to make Obama into a failure/loser. He is doing quite well in that endeavor all on his own.
Posted by: Noz | August 3, 2010, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Yes, Obama touts, to the American people and our enemies, he has kept his committed TIME SCHEDULE to bring Iraq to an end….To announce to the world a specific date…And THEY WONDER WHY…..
Posted by: Parallex View | August 3, 2010, 10:10 am 10:10 am
“Yes, Obama touts, to the American people and our enemies, he has kept his committed TIME SCHEDULE to bring Iraq to an end….To announce to the world a specific date…And THEY WONDER WHY…”
ROFLMAO!
Can right wingers make up their mind whether they want to take credit for the withdraw for Bush or blame Obama for it?
Posted by: Ryan C | August 3, 2010, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Gee rc…I believe the point I was making is….wait for it…..BROADCASTING TIME SCHEDULES TO TERRORISTS…
Posted by: Parallex View | August 3, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“Gee rc…I believe the point I was making is….wait for it…..BROADCASTING TIME SCHEDULES TO TERRORISTS…”
Try reading the SOFA.
Maybe even try the tactic of your fellow right wingers and claim credit for Bush in this.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 3, 2010, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Obama is betting people are too stupid to recall what he actually said, but he forgets that by using the Internet it is possible for us to keep track of his many lies.
He is NOT keeping his pledge, promise or word about getting our troops out of Iraq.
Obama said — at the Jan. 15, 2008 Democratic debate (just in time to sway the Super Tuesday voters) — that he had a plan to get our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2009 (that would have been WITHIN 11 months of becoming president).
OBAMA: “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out [of Iraq] BY THE END OF 2009.”
It is already months past that due date, and Obama’s still got troops in Iraq.
Posted by: poetry | August 3, 2010, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
OBAMA AND THE CORRUPT LIBERALS IN CONGRESS BASED THE ENTIRE 2008 CAMPAIGN ON LIES. THEY SIMPLY CANNOT BE TRUSTED. GOD HELP US ALL!
Posted by: AMERICAN CITIZEN | August 4, 2010, 10:32 am 10:32 am
The war in Iraq was a needless war and I would expect your indignation to be where it belongs…on the Bush administration. It was a war unpaid for and we were lied to in order for them to justify it. Bush believes war is necessary for the economy …he even states it in his book. When people have that attitude what do you expect? The Afthanistan war was to get Osama Bin Laden and we know we have not but it is not because the soldiers did not do their job…they did with no support from the president who sent them there. He forgot about them and gave they no financial or any other kind of support. He gave all his resources to Iraq…the Bush/Cheney war. These are the facts and if you cannot see this you are blind politically and morally.
Posted by: talmag | August 5, 2010, 10:19 am 10:19 am