Obama Pushes House to Pass Emergency Jobs Bill
ABC News’ Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller Report:
Flanked by his education secretary and two teachers, who the White House says would otherwise be out of work, the President pushed the House to pass a $26 billion emergency aid bill to guarantee the jobs of teachers, fire fighters, nurses and first responders around the country.
“If we do nothing, these educators won’t be returning to the classroom this fall, and that won’t just deprive them of a paycheck, it will deprive the children and parents who are counting on them to provide a decent education,” the President said, “It will deprive countless cities and towns of the law enforcement officials and first responders who risk their lives to keep us out of harm’s way. It will cost us jobs at a time when we need to be creating jobs.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced lawmakers back to Washington from their August recess for a special one-day session to vote on the measure, which the Senate passed last Thursday. The money for the bill comes from closing tax loopholes and reducing food stamp payments. Republicans say the former amounts to a tax on businesses, while some Democrats say cutting food aid will hurt the neediest Americans.
The President called the measure non-partisan, though the floor debate on the Hill this morning has been anything but, with Republicans chastising the majority party for what they call another example of unbridled government spending. On the other side, Democrats accuse Republicans of ignoring the needs of kids as they get ready to return to school this fall.
“I heard the Republican leader in the House say the other day that this is a special interest bill. And I suppose if America’s children and the safety of our communities are your special interest, then it is a special interest bill,” the President said, “America is watching, and America is waiting for Washington to act. So let’s show the nation that we can.”
- Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller
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Posted by: NZ | August 10, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Before automotive manufactures received their bailouts they needed to renegotiate with creditors and unions. Why isn’t there similar requirements for teachers and police?
Posted by: tillyerkt | August 10, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Why should they get any more of an advantage, than the rest of us??????
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | August 10, 2010, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
wow, does anyone ever call out these politicians when they do these phony speeches before the cameras. Obama is out there saying, “i urge the congress to pass this bill”. There is 0% chance this will fail, they came back from recess just to pass it. What a phony! This is a bailout not a jobs bill. Maryland said today,they were not going to lay off one teacher, not one. Many other states,the same. Why doesnt jake tapper ask robert gates,”does the pres support gay marriage, yes or no? how hard is that? Does the president support the building of the ny mosque,where its leader,is on record,saying “the US was an accessorry to the crime”.?These liberal reporters,dont want the public to know the answers to those questions. This is a phony bill, it primary purpose is to payoff the teacher’s labor unions, who like the city of bell,have incredible guaranteed pensions, that most americans do not,and the media wont tell you about. Every liberal ahole reporter,will frame this garbage bailout,as a “jobs” bill,and its paid for. Also, compare the coverage of rand paul and al gore. You had a woman in one case,give her name, go on the record, file a police report,and no one in our liberal media would report it. You have another woman, who wont go on the record, has no corraboration, never filed any kind of a report,and it goes on the air,the day after a political gq article appears. How do you reconcile that? You cant!! (also, i dont support rand paul). I would vote for hillary clinton, i would vote for evan bayh, i voted for the governator, but fair is fair,and our media is a joke.
Posted by: jim germann | August 10, 2010, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
U.S. census data shows that annual pay for teachers has fallen drastically over the past 60 years when compared to the annual pay of other workers with college degrees.
Teachers spend an average of 50 hours a week on instructional duties, including an average of 12 hours each week on non-compensated school-related activities such as grading papers, advising students and clubs, and bus duty.
the average national starting salary for a teacher is around $30,377. But the study showed that other college graduates entering professions that require similar training and responsibilities start at much higher salaries. For example, public accountants start at $44,668; computer programmers start at an average of $43,635; and registered nurses start at about $45,570. The average earnings of workers with at least four years of college are now more than 50% higher than the average earnings of a teacher. And in addition to starting salaries being lower, inflation has grown faster than the increases in teachers’ salaries each year.
Indeed, “why should they get any more of an advantage’?
Posted by: Flash Override | August 10, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Wow, he will do anything to save his hide and his parties hide. Bailout unions, bankers, forgive morgages, not the sign of a confident, COMPETENT, successful canidate. But he is after all, a Chicago politican.
Blagojevich would be proud…
Posted by: CBA | August 10, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
ndeed, “why should they get any more of an advantage’?
Posted by: Flash Override | Aug 10, 2010 2:20:51 PM
Nice detailed post.
On top of all that, its funny that Republicans bluster about what not to do in a soft economy, and claim to be concerned about jobs, but they don’t stop to think about what laying off hundreds of thousands of state employees during a soft economy does to that economy.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
This is a bailout,for Public workers unions.We do not have the money for this. This is not a jobs bill,for Christ sake when will the spending stop?
Posted by: stormerF2 | August 10, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Posted by: stormerF2 | Aug 10, 2010 2:54:46 PM
Public and unions in the same post— catnip for the “conservatives” — neo and otherwise! I assume since money is your concern, you support letting the tax cuts expire for those who can really afford it and are doing just fine in this economy (the wealthiest among us)— or are you just engaging in class war b.s.?
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Why is the President spending all this time trying to get the support of the public when it comes to passing bills that EVERY member of congress and the house should be doing? Where are the town hall meetings on the subject(s) at hand to see what the voters want?
You know, the very people they’re supposed to be representing? I’ve never been a fan of paying the salary of a President to go out on the campaign stump for others in their party and drawing support for bills or legislation that he (whomever it may be at the time) wants pushed through. What’s that costing us as tax payers?
Maybe it’s just me I guess. I figure there are bigger issues at hand that may be more in his pay grade to take care of. I guess we’ll see in a couple of months what comes attatched to this bill WHEN it passes. You know there’s something not yet disclosed from the “Most Transparent Administration” ever!!
Posted by: DAVID | August 10, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
On top of all that, its funny that Republicans bluster about what not to do in a soft economy, and claim to be concerned about jobs, but they don’t stop to think about what laying off hundreds of thousands of state employees during a soft economy does to that economy.
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If only Rahm could return some of his $16 million…
Posted by: Fannie | August 10, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Recovery Summer?
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 10, 2010, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
WHY DOESN’T OBAMA PUSH THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STOP SPENDING???
We need a President — not a Campaigner-In-Chief.
Parties! Good times! Wine! Banquets! Beaches! Money! Laughter! Vacations! Golf! Personalized rock concerts at the White House! High fashion! Hollywood types fawning all over you!
Meanwhile, the rest of us are broke, unemployed, or on the battlefield.
This is the most corrupt administration in American history. Obama, Pelosi,
Reid and the other liberals in Congress, along with the biased media, based the entire 2008 campaign on lies. They have no problem governing AGAINST the will of the American citizens.
Please think hard about this when you vote in this upcoming election.
Our elected officials are supposed to be serving us — NOT themselves. Most all of them are addicted to control and power over us!
Posted by: CONCERNED CITIZEN | August 10, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“Recovery Summer?”
You bet, Tim. Nothing a weekend on my yacht can’t fix!
Posted by: Capt. Kerry | August 10, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
CaptK..
.. back to school is a good time for a tax holiday ..
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 10, 2010, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
“Rewarding irresponsible municipalities with federal tax dollars bill” just does not have that certain je ne sais quois so important to rat legislation titles.
Posted by: nat turner | August 10, 2010, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
“Our elected officials are supposed to be serving us — NOT themselves”
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meanwhile from an ABC article:
Wall Street Opens Wallet for GOP Senatorial Candidates
Financial Industry Donating Twice as Much to Republican Campaigns as to Democrats
By RICH BLAKE
Aug. 9, 2010
“During the first six months of the year, bankers, brokers and money managers — individually and by way of Political Action Committees — have contributed twice as much to GOP Senate candidates than to Democratic ones.”
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I agree. Our elected officials are supposed to be serving us….NOT Wall Street.
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
I agree. Our elected officials are supposed to be serving us….NOT Wall Street.
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It was a great day when Obama returned that $1 million to Goldman Sachs and got rid of those GS guys who worked in the WH.
Posted by: Relief | August 10, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
stormerF2 | Aug 10, 2010 2:54:46 PM posted: “For Christ sake when will the spending stop?”
OK! Let’s start with the Military. We constantly are told there is “no money” for spending on social programs. Yet I hear ZERO debate from conservatives about deep cuts to our military spending or that form of “bloated government”. U.S. arms spending increased by 71% under the presidency of George W. Bush.
SEVENTY-ONE PERCENT.
Here are the top 5 military spenders in 2009 according to SIPRI (in $ Billions):
1.United States — 607.0
2.China — 84.9
3.France — 65.7
4.United Kingdom — 65.3
5.Russia — 58.6
We spent seven times more than the next highest spender, China.
Please explain why conservatives support this outrageous Deficit spending while demanding stringent cuts for firemen, police and teachers here at home.
America’s strength and security is NOT JUST MILITARY. We should be investing in our people and our infrastructure. We should be using our tax revenues to pay for services that people need to grow a strong economy: health care, energy, a clean environment, education, housing, and a secure retirement for all.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 10, 2010, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
So we have to tax more, to employ federal workers… So we can in turn tax THEM… This is a deadly spiral into insolvency…
Posted by: CBA | August 10, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
If the nation had been driven into a ditch economically before Obama came dashing to the rescue, why, Oh why. did he just push the pedal to the metal going down that same ditch?
It seems that Obama’s change was nothing more than a speed change down that ditch.
Anyone recall Obama’s little speeches on not making excuses and accepting blame rather than blaming others? From his current rhetoric Mr. Obama seems to be the one with amnesia.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | August 10, 2010, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
green.goddess: “We should be using our tax revenues to pay for services that people need to grow a strong economy: health care, energy, a clean environment, education, housing, and a secure retirement for all.”
You forgot unicorns, rivers of chocolate, and spontaneous rainbows!
Half of our annual federal budget consists of tax receipts. The other half is DEBT that taxpayers must pay off. Progressives in both parties have spent TRILLIONS of dollars to achieve your utopia. They failed. We’re now broke with no way for the private sector to generate the economic growth necessary to PAY for the welfare state they created.
We have record deficits, record unemployment, record poverty, record bankruptcies, record foreclosures, record bank failures, and record numbers of people on food stamps. The results of decades of unaffordable progressive policies are staring you in the face. Quite a utopia, isn’t it? Let’s spend more and maybe that’ll change the laws of mathematics!!
Posted by: Mary | August 10, 2010, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Here is the reality-JP Morgan suspects that real GDP growth for Q2 was 1.3%, not the level claimed by the Obama administration.We are heading into a double dip recession caused exclusively by the policies of the Obama administration. Had they done NOTHING we would be seeing economic expansion and job growth;instead we see the government robbing from the productive private sector to fund the jobs and benefits of government workers.This cannot continue. The FED report today is the “Mene,mene…” written on the wall of our economic future.Unfortunately Obama doesn’t have a Daniel to interpret it for him; his economic team members are jumping ship like rats leaving a sinking vessel.
Posted by: Nephron | August 10, 2010, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Mary | Aug 10, 2010 5:12:51 PM posted: “We have record deficits, record unemployment, record poverty, record bankruptcies, record foreclosures, record bank failures, and record numbers of people on food stamps. The results of decades of unaffordable progressive policies are staring you in the face.”
Do you really believe it is OK for a society to stop affording schools, public transit, paved roads, libraries and street lights? That reducing the deficit should be on the shoulders of teachers and kids and firemen while preserving tax cuts for the very affluent, at a budget cost of $700 billion over the next decade? Or that continuing outrageously massive military spending is more important than building jobs here at home?
And since when was spend-like-a-drunken-sailor George W. Bush implementing “progressive” policies? The record misery you mentioned has roots in Supply Side economics, not just “progressive policies”.
In 2007 the last year of the booming Bush expansion, middle class American families’ incomes were LOWER than when he took office. This has not happened since our government began keeping these records after WWII. In every other expansion, the buying power of middle-class families grew along with the economy. Many fell from the lower middle class into poverty – America’s poor increased from 31.6 million in 2001 to nearly 40 million in 2008.
So where did all that bubble money go anyway? By 2007 the top 10% owned 72% of the nation’s wealth. According to a Cornell economist, Robert Frank, the money rich people have not been paying in taxes is NOT being spent the way you or I would spend money. The vast bulk of their untaxed fortunes goes into private investments, trust funds for their heirs and charitable endowments for when they’re dead.
Talk about unicorns, rivers of chocolate, and spontaneous rainbows: “trickle down” is a conservative fantasy.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 10, 2010, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
“I assume since money is your concern, you support letting the tax cuts expire for those who can really afford it and are doing just fine in this economy (the wealthiest among us)— or are you just engaging in class war b.s.? ”
Wait, who’s engaging in class warfare here? Those that can really afford it already pay more than their “fair” share into the government coffers, but that’s not good enough for you huh mama?
No, they should be penalized with more taxes so the one can redistribute it properly. But that’s not class warfare is it? What is that called then?
Posted by: J.R. | August 10, 2010, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
CBA | Aug 10, 2010 5:05:48 PM…Aren’t we already insolvent?
Posted by: deanbob | August 10, 2010, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Anyone remember what happened when Clinton implemented the “luxury tax”? Talk about unintended consequences. The problem is the absence of the ability to think critically.
Posted by: deanbob | August 10, 2010, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
And since when was spend-like-a-drunken-sailor George W. Bush implementing “progressive” policies?
Posted by: green.goddess |
Like to start with Medicare Part D?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 10, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
pro mama, aren’t you the one that is always crowing about all the teachers, policeman, and fireman come to your deli and gym. How wonderful everything is under Obama? So why did we need this again? Welcome to Obama’s summer of recovery!
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | August 10, 2010, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Hahaha, I can always come to the White House Circus Wheel to have a laugh!
I love it that Pelosi calls an Emergency when there has been no new Crisis: in the recent past there has been no major attack on our nation, no banking meltdown, in fact everything is going on EXACTLY AS PLANNED FOR AND LEGISLATED BY Pelosi and Obama. She has been in charge of our purse Strings for two terms now, since 2007, along with her power-drunk Cronies. They have been filling their Union funders pockets and coffers to overflow ever since, this bill included, poor folks be damned right along with business makers. So what could possibly be wrong, Nancy? I have just GOT to laugh.
And a shout-out to Nephron, well-said, Sir.
Posted by: Carol | August 10, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
No, they should be penalized with more taxes so the one can redistribute it properly. But that’s not class warfare is it? What is that called then?
Posted by: J.R. | Aug 10, 2010 5:48:33 PM
Nice try but I’ll use a term you seem to like — “epic fail.” Where do you get this stuff???
lol.
The Republicans put the expiration date on the tax breaks, and have admitted, in rare candid moments, that extending them digs a bigger hole. They aren’t being penalized with more taxes. Their tax breaks are expiring as planned by the Republicans– whereas the middle class is struggling and the economy is soft so theirs will be extended a bit longer.
A little tidbit. While the Republicans take up for the greedy rich and the base takes up the cliched talking points, fact is more and more wealthy people are Democrats nowadays, and their support for Obama remains strong. Wall Street money has very recently come to favor Republicans again, but in broad terms, the affluent Obama vote is strong. Check the polls and internals. Read the Wealth Report at WSJ. Affluent Americans– the nongreedy ones- are Barack Obama’s most secure class of support.
Why? Because they tend to be well-educated, intelligent, and live near cities and the coasts which are less insulated and less given to epistemic closure and xenophobia. They understand the importance of environment, education, infrastructure, alternate energy, science, reforms, the country’s competitiveness and living up to the country’s ideals.
One of the main goals of conservatives” since FDR has been to get rid of the new deal legislation. And the truth is that those who oppose unions (and immigration)align with those powers that be who HATE sharing their wealth with the people who are actually doing the work.
But there are plenty of those who are wealthy and believe in both liberty and equal opportunity as well as social justice.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I love it that Pelosi calls an Emergency when there has been no new Crisis:
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No new crisis, just the same old Bush recession, the inequality Republican policies have promoted, etc., etc.
But since the Republicans didn’t absolutely destroy the middle class, small business owners, teachers, fire fighters, first responders and the poor, they want the opportunity to try again — even though many of the dupes who vote for them will be the ones destroyed.
Pathetic.
Its pathetic.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
progressive mama | Aug 10, 2010 7:12:22 PM posted: “But there are plenty of those who are wealthy and believe in both liberty and equal opportunity as well as social justice.”
Nice post progressive mama – and nice to see you back from vacation. There’s always work to do here.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 10, 2010, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
if we go into a double dip recession it’s all Obama’s. Think he or any of his followers will admit it? NO! Thought that 1st stimulas was suppose to take of everything? Okay, so not everything but it was suppose to save us from the double dip. How’s that working for ya?
Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | August 10, 2010, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
“While the Republicans take up for the greedy rich and the base takes up the cliched talking points”
Yes, you’re so above that class warfare aren’t you?
This is such a tired argument. The only people that believe it still believe the tripe coming out of Obama’s mouth. You can’t delineate either party when it comes to the rich, it’s split pretty evenly. The only difference is that the democrats like to pine for more taxes while doing all they can to avoid paying their own, i.e. Geithner, Rangel, Kerry and etc.
But still people like p. mama and green g. will excuse that behavior.
Everyone in this country should pay the same percentage of their earnings to the government. Why does the idea of equal protection under the law not apply to taxes. The left has been able to demonize those with money in this country. Redistribution is not what are government is charged to do.
Posted by: J.R. | August 10, 2010, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
“they [the affluent] tend to be well-educated, intelligent, and live near cities and the coasts which are less insulated and less given to epistemic closure and xenophobia. They understand the importance of environment, education, infrastructure, alternate energy, science, reforms, the country’s competitiveness and living up to the country’s ideals.”
How nice for them. That doesn’t change the fact that we have record debt that we can never pay off. You see, just because you’re well-educated doesn’t mean you’re intelligent or that you have any common sense. We have a lot of well-educated people in Washington who seemingly can’t do basic math.
I know facts are inconvenient things, but what part of “the private sector funds the public sector” don’t progressives understand? The private sector is stagnating while public sector spending is skyrocketing. There isn’t enough money in the world to fund the Progressive Utopia. Austerity is coming, because it HAS to. Sorry.
Posted by: Mary | August 10, 2010, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Unemployment used
Bills mount, need food, rent, gas, more
Mr. O no hope
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
“And the truth is that those who oppose unions (and immigration)align with those powers that be who HATE sharing their wealth with the people who are actually doing the work.”
That’s the truth huh? According to whom? The fact is that there is no more truth in that statement than the numbers thrown out by the administration about jobs saved and created. They’re both based on progressive, liberal idealogy.
Hate sharing their wealth??? What country do you think you live in? Since when have people been required to share their wealth? Implementation of such would lead to socialism and the demise of our great country, all due to the left’s idea of “fairness.”
Posted by: J.R. | August 10, 2010, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
JR, since the existence of mankind man has shared their wealth. It’s part of being a member of a society. We would not exist as a species if the strongest among us, didn’t help all those who are part of their world.
Some of you just sound like massive invdividualist, and I don’t think that’s wrong, but you benefit as we all do from most of us paying into,silly things like roads and aid for emergencies, education, survival…everyone benefits.
Posted by: irma | August 10, 2010, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
“Hate sharing their wealth??? What country do you think you live in? Since when have people been required to share their wealth?”
Being required to share wealth and liking it are two different things. We live in the USA where right-wingers cry the blues about wealth redistribution and then apparently claim they don’t hate sharing wealth. But in a democracy like ours the public will decide through their elected officials what tax rate is fair.
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 9:24:11 PM
Americans are the most generous people in the history of the earth…
When the government taxes those that earned, then gives to those who didn’t earn, that’s not sharing, that’s just theft.
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Tghere is nothing to prevent people from sending more money to the IRS if they believe in higer taxes. The reality is that lowering marginal tax rates actually increases government revenues, through reinvestment,business expansion and the resulting increase in employment.That is a fact,whether you like it or not.It isn’t rocket science,but it is elementary economics.
Posted by: Nephron | August 10, 2010, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
“The reality is that lowering marginal tax rates actually increases government revenues”
What if you lower the tax rates to zero? How much revenue is generated then?
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
“JR, since the existence of mankind man has shared their wealth. It’s part of being a member of a society”
Yes we did that on our own accord, not by government fiat. There is a big difference between the two. And I’m sorry but not everyone chooses to share their wealth and that is a part of life and a testament to freedom.
Posted by: J.R. | August 10, 2010, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
What if you lower the tax rates to zero? How much revenue is generated then?
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 9:47:42 PM
And if you raise the marginal tax rate to 100%, how much do you think you will collect?
Skip, give us a number… how much of a productive person’s income do you think the government should be able to seize?
Give us another number, how little an income should someone not have to pay his fair share?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
“Skip, give us a number… how much of a productive person’s income do you think the government should be able to seize?”
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Skip should voluntarily bump his tax rate to 100% for the duration of oBama’s reign. Put your money where your mouth is Skip. Let us know how that tax rate works out for you.
Posted by: gk | August 10, 2010, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Hold on Quo, I’m still waiting for the elementary economist to explain how lowering tax rates to zero will increase revenue…..
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Hold on Quo, I’m still waiting for the elementary economist to explain how lowering tax rates to zero will increase revenue…..
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 10:05:12 PM
Well, it worked when JFK tried it, it worked again when Mr. Reagan tried it, finally it worked when Mr Bush tried it.
The problem is… the spendthrifts in Congress immediately spent the increase, and more…
It’s the spending…!
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
JR: That’s the truth huh?
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Absolutely. Those who oppose unions (and immigration– and pit American-born workers against immigrant workers)align with those powers who HATE sharing their wealth with the people who are actually doing the work.
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JR: You’re so above that class warfare aren’t you?…You can’t delineate either party when it comes to the rich, it’s split pretty evenly
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Typically when I engage in warfare its not the rich versus the poor but rather the smart, open-minded, compassionate, brave and progressive versus the willfully ignorant, fearful, narrow-minded, greedy and conservative. I’m absolutely in war with chickenhearted fearmongerers and people who choose ignorance and greed as a way of life. I make no bones about it. I believe in the liberal ideals this great country was founded on, I believe in the middle class and I believe in strength of heart and mind.
I also prefer the truth to the lies the conservatives and Republicans tell.
Both the Great Depression and Bush’s recession were preceded by growing inequality. Look it up.
So, here’s why all of you argument falls apart. I think most wealthy people are Democrats (e.g. Oprah, the Kennedys, George Soros) or independents ( e.g. Bloomberg) and that the Republicans represent for the greedy rich– and those who aspire to be the greedy rich one day and are easily duped. They also represent certain corporate interests. Not all wealthy people are greedy and qualify as the greedy rich.
Or don’t you get that???
lol.
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J.R. “Hate sharing their wealth??? What country do you think you live in? Since when have people been required to share their wealth?
If you read what I actually posted (tricky, I know…lol) I wrote, hate sharing their wealth with those actually DOING THE WORK. So, uh, I think I work in the United States of America, post-Civil War, and I don’t believe in slavery. Question is what era and country do you think you’re living in????????
Reactionaries kill me.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
“finally it worked when Mr Bush tried it”
Still trying to push the alleged success of the Bushonomics I see. Any increase in government revenue was from taxes on capital gains increases from the housing bubble, not tax cuts for the wealthy. It was fake.
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Still trying to push the alleged success of the Bushonomics I see. Any increase in government revenue was from taxes on capital gains increases from the housing bubble, not tax cuts for the wealthy. It was fake.
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 10:22:43 PM
Mr. Obama would love to have the unemployment figures under Mr. Bush, up to and including his final year…
Let’s not forget that the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress under the final two years of Mr. Bush’s administration…
Some might reasonably argue that Congress, through tax and spend authority, has more control over the state of the economy than the President.
What do you think?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
“It’s the spending…!”
OK, let’s cut spending then….where would you like to start? Why not cut military spending by about half? Let me guess….you want to cut the Department of Education…
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Yes, exactly Skip! ;-)
“It’s the spending…!”
OK, let’s cut spending then….where would you like to start? Why not cut military spending by about half? Let me guess….you want to cut the Department of Education…
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 10:27:01 PM
Posted by: irma | August 10, 2010, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Posted by: green.goddess | Aug 10, 2010 7:18:05 PM
Hi gg. Thanks for the shout out. I posted a message for some like-minded pals to take up my cause when they could while I was away and the comments were pretty hilarious. Way to totally offend the intellectual honesty and integrity of the firefighter with small business and military experience, right wingers! (Oh, but that’s right, firefighters and teachers don’t deserve to be paid for the work they do or have a right to their pensions because they belong to unions or some such…)
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
OK, let’s cut spending then….where would you like to start? Why not cut military spending by about half? Let me guess….you want to cut the Department of Education…
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 10:27:01 PM
Let’ start with the Department of Education, then continue with HUD, move on to Commerce, then to Labor, then to Agriculture… any department that depends on powers not GIVEN to the Federal Government, BY THE STATES, should be cut…
Remember, the Federal Government, did not create the states… the states created the Federal Government… and limited its powers…
The States did not create people, the People crated the States, and only gave them the powers need to provide for the common good.
If you think a particular welfare program is good, then let your state adopt it, but let your neighbors alone to adopt (or not) whatever programs their people think provide for their needs…
Above all, don’t put you faith in government at any level, for they are ruled by men… much like you, full of faults… put your faith in God and yourself…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Progressive Mama; love your screen name! Sure beats “Pit Bulls” and “Grizzlies”, man that’s some scary stuff.
Posted by: irma | August 10, 2010, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Progressive Mama; love your screen name! Sure beats “Pit Bulls” and “Grizzlies”, man that’s some scary stuff.
Posted by: irma | Aug 10, 2010 10:53:51 PM
I love Sarah Palin, she drives the liberal wackos, wacko…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
I love how when Sarah Palin can’t answer a question she says “Oh my God!”
Then proceeds to kiss up to the person, a school teacher and fisherwoman saying “..We agree on freedom of speech.” Palin approached the woman who practicing her freedom of speech. She probably thought she was going to intimidate the teacher, but those tables were FLIPPED!
Posted by: irma | August 10, 2010, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
“Let’ start with the Department of Education, then continue with HUD, move on to Commerce, then to Labor, then to Agriculture…”
I figured as much…your whole idea is just to dismantle the federal government. We’re going to pass on that plan.
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
“Let’ start with the Department of Education, then continue with HUD, move on to Commerce, then to Labor, then to Agriculture…”
I figured as much…your whole idea is just to dismantle the federal government. We’re going to pass on that plan.
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 11:04:03 PM
Well, maybe not… the People and the States are growing restless…
Remember, the Federal Government did not create the States, the States created the Federal Government… and restricted it to certain, enumerated powers… powers which it has sorely abused…
The libs always over estimate the power of the engine, and always underestimate the power of the tide…
The tide is not with you… check it in November…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
what part of “the private sector funds the public sector” don’t progressives understand? ….
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Those poor, poor multinationals.
Many, if not most, credible economists are urging additional action, and I’d think since you’re a deficit peacock, you’d appreciate that the aid is paid for.
And, btw, here’s the bottom line. The CBO said the bill will decrease the deficit by $1.3 billion over 10 years.
As for austerity, premature austerity measures are viewed as a HUGE mistake by many, including reputable and Nobel prizewinning economists, and reminiscent of FDR’s premature attempt to balance the budget (1937). Austerity during the downward plunge in the business cycle can actually drive the nation deeper into recession.
Many of you seem to regard the federal budget like a family check book, which is an inaccurate analogy, but even if you accept the analogy, the fact remains that sometimes going deeper into debt can improve your financial situation — for example, let’s say you work retail or in child care or are a waitress, and go back to school to become a nurse or physician or engineer. You’ll lose income for a period of time while in school and go deeper into debt, but eventually get paid more and increase your family’s prosperity. Or let’s say you run a popular deli or gym, that’s located in a building you bought with borrowed money, and you have an opportunity to expand to a second location or add an addition to the gym with a sandwich shop and you have to borrow more money in order to expand. And both eventually increase your income.
And, for the record, government employees are consumers, and without state aid its likely state taxes will go up.
Just sayin’
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
I love Sarah Palin, she drives the liberal wackos, wacko…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | Aug 10, 2010 10:55:30 PM
I love Nancy Pelosi; she drives the conservative wackos wacko AND she doesn’t quit! She actually does her job and accomplishes things!!
Posted by: progressive mama | August 10, 2010, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
And, for the record, government employees are consumers, and without state aid its likely state taxes will go up.
Just sayin’
Posted by: progressive mama | Aug 10, 2010 11:19:59 PM
Let the State taxes rise… the States don’t have the ability to print money or run a deficit… they must have balanced budget…
For too long the Federal Government has taxed too much, and borrowed too much, and given the loot to State governments, as they just did with the emergency spending plan just signed by Mr. Obama…
This moves the level of accountability to the Federal level and allows the State governments to spend money they did not have to raise themselves…
Stop the “revenue sharing” programs… let the States raise their own money and account to their own tax payers… and run their own programs…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 10, 2010, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
“let the States raise their own money and account to their own tax payers”
Are you kidding? Without federal money from blue states the red states would collapse.
Posted by: Skip | August 10, 2010, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Are you kidding? Without federal money from blue states the red states would collapse.
Posted by: Skip | Aug 10, 2010 11:40:21 PM
I’m all for it… Actually it is the non-producers in both the Red States and The Blue States who would have to earn their own rather than relying on the Government to steal it from someone else…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 11, 2010, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Ah yes, more wasteful spending in the name of “job creation”. Is this guy ever going to get it? Isn’t he the hypocrite who while he was campaigning opened a televised public debate by condemning the “junket that CEO’s went on when they received funding”? Isn’t Obama doing exactly that himself? He receives power from naive voters and then goes on a typical liberal spending spree. I guess if you’re going to complain about wasteful spenders you’d have to be one to know one.
Posted by: EPU | August 11, 2010, 1:09 am 1:09 am
“for example, let’s say you work retail or in child care or are a waitress, and go back to school to become a nurse or physician or engineer. You’ll lose income for a period of time while in school and go deeper into debt, but eventually get paid more and increase your family’s prosperity. Or let’s say you run a popular deli or gym, that’s located in a building you bought with borrowed money, and you have an opportunity to expand to a second location or add an addition to the gym with a sandwich shop and you have to borrow more money in order to expand. And both eventually increase your income. ”
yes mama, those are called investments and they are inheritently different than deficit spending. The government does not make money, they have to tax to get it. This bill plugs the holes of a sinking ship that are only going to bust later on.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 8:34 am 8:34 am
“I wrote, hate sharing their wealth with those actually DOING THE WORK. So, uh, I think I work in the United States of America, post-Civil War, and I don’t believe in slavery. Question is what era and country do you think you’re living in????????”
slavery?? Why be so obtuse? Gee, it’s like people working today do not receive compensation. I suppose you want to regulate that as well huh? Make it more “fair” correct?
“I believe in the liberal ideals this great country was founded on,”
That’s highly doubtful. You would restrict freedom for your idea of the greater good. That is not what this country was founded on and you can’t contort any of the writings of our founders to make it so.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Note to Skip, what do they red states produce, cars and what???? Without the red states the blue states would starve, have little gas for their big cars, buts thats alright with you, you have a bicycle, solar panels, and a big garden.
Posted by: Lizzie | August 11, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Why be so obtuse?
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good question to ask when you look in the mirror and ponder how often you mischaracterize others posts in order to offer up talking points from shadow groups and radical corporate lobbyists and why you have issues with fair compensation given the history of labor in this country, beginning with slavery but continuing on with factory girls and coal miners…
Posted by: progressive mama | August 11, 2010, 11:32 am 11:32 am
those are called investments and they are inheritently different than deficit spending.
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So, infrastructure, medical IT, green initiatives, scientific research, educating our children and youth and so on aren’t investments in our future????
Yeah, (cough, cough) okay…. I know whose advise on investments I won’t be taking. lol.
Its fascinating how you ignore that I started out by saying that while many of the right wingers on here and “independents” (ha!) seem to regard the federal budget like a family check book, it’s an inaccurate analogy, however if you can’t give up that analogy, the fact remains that sometimes going deeper into debt can improve your financial situation and then I gave examples that you rightly note are investments.
Forehead slap.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 11, 2010, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Despite what some among us would like to believe it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children and it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power.
And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year, because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.#…#
This is not to say that the concern of NEA and its affiliates with closing achievement gaps, reducing dropout rates, improving teacher quality and the like are unimportant or inappropriate. To the contrary. These are the goals that guide the work we do. But they need not and must not be achieved at the expense of due process, employee rights and collective bargaining. That simply is too high a price to pay. – NEA lawyer Bob Channin
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 11, 2010, 11:42 am 11:42 am
J.R. | Aug 11, 2010 8:34:51 AM posted: “those are called investments and they are inheritently different than deficit spending. The government does not make money, they have to tax to get it.”
Why in your view is deficit spending “inherently different” than borrowing money for an investment?
In my state, a large percentage of the federal Stimulus money was used to build healthy new tax payers by investing in revitalizing school districts, paying for training, and community college scholarships. Truly an investment that will be repaid with new taxpayers.
A well trained workforce has already attracted new employers like the country’s largest Solar Panel plant, Bio Sciences, Health Care, High Tech, and Renewable energy.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 11, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
“So, infrastructure, medical IT, green initiatives, scientific research, educating our children and youth and so on aren’t investments in our future????”
With the exception of infrastructure, the rest of your list is not the responsiblity of the federal gov’t. And even with infrastructure it should be limited. There is nothing in the ideals that this country was founded on, which you claim to believe in, that call for such government intervention into private industry.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
“Why in your view is deficit spending “inherently different” than borrowing money for an investment?”
It’s simple. People undertake investments with caution and after much consideration as to how it will affect their lifestyles and those who rely on them. They cannot print more money to make up for losses nor can they get more revenue through taxation.
Governments throw money to the best lobbyists interests and the interests of those that will keep them in power. There are no risks so no real considerations.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
There is nothing in the ideals that this country was founded on, which you claim to believe in, that call for such government intervention into private industry.
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And yet there is, although, yes, the country and its economy was much different then. Power comes from the consent of the governed.
Per Thomas Jefferson: “Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment… laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind… as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times…. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.” (h/t dawn marie)
Posted by: progressive mama | August 11, 2010, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
With the exception of infrastructure, the rest of your list is not the responsiblity of the federal gov’t…..
In your opinion, and that doesn’t mean the expenditures aren’t investments. Most normal people actually consider infrastructure, education, basic research, alternate energy and public health “investments” in the future of the country.
To take one example, NIH and publicly funded scientific research stimulates, enhances and complements private R&D research and investment. Green goddess @ 2:17:21 PM offers other examples as well.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 11, 2010, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
If only a few Bostonians would have gone ahead and bought a few tea stamps..
Posted by: Dontget818 | August 11, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
J.R. | Aug 11, 2010 2:30:02 PM posted: “Governments throw money to the best lobbyists interests and the interests of those that will keep them in power. There are no risks so no real considerations.” I am all for stronger lobby reform. But the notion that our governments do not weigh risks or use central planning is simplistic.
Government and businesses have successfully been working together to help our economy since the 1800s.
Let’s use a local level example of how these partnerships work. In Dallas, Texas an old brick rail road district in the downtown West End fell into economic hard times (akin to a “recession”) after President Kennedy was assassinated.
The city of Dallas (“government”) weighed the risks and decided to borrow $2.3 Million in bonds to encourage economic growth in that area (“stimulus money”).
The city also made new rules (“government intervention”), such as zoning, building restrictions, signs, and historic district designation – designed to spur further development. The borrowed government money was spent on converting old warehouses into shops and restaurants, street improvements, and security – this in turn attracted more investment, (“private industry”) large and small businesses, plus taxpayers who today visit or live in the West End.
There have been problems along the way, but today that original investment has paid Dallas back many times over. Roughly 7 Million people visit the West End every year – it has become the leading Dallas tourist attraction, contributing money to help revive other nearby run down neighborhoods.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 11, 2010, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
“Let’s use a local level example of how these partnerships work. In Dallas, Texas an old brick rail road district in the downtown West End fell into economic hard times (akin to a “recession”) after President Kennedy was assassinated. ”
Gee that sounds an awful lot like infrastructure. Something I made a point to say in a prior comment is something the government should be involved in. That serves the best interest of the community.
Filling budget gaps of poorly managed, overspending state governments does not serve the best interest of other communities not effected.
Of course if the city of Dallas had failed to revitalize that area and lost out on that investment and that money, they shouldn’t expect the city of Houston, TX to help pay for the loss. That is what the federal government is doing with this latest bailout to the states.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
J.R. | Aug 11, 2010 4:59:04 PM posted:
“Of course if the city of Dallas had failed to revitalize that area and lost out on that investment and that money, they shouldn’t expect the city of Houston, TX to help pay for the loss.”
No, but if the city of Houston had invested in the original Dallas bonds they would have taken on that risk. Here in the United States of America, we all share the risk for our Union.
We increased arms spending by 71% under the presidency of George W. Bush.
So now, when state funding for teachers, police, and firemen is at risk – due to massive decreases in tax revenues, not simply “over-bloated budgets” – why shouldn’t we as a nation shift our spending to a different priority?
Posted by: green.goddess | August 11, 2010, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
“why shouldn’t we as a nation shift our spending to a different priority? ”
We’re not shifting anything, this reckless administration has just increased spending while cutting nothing.
And please, Clinton decimated the defense budgets so citing a percentage increase when Bush took over is misleading.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
The Internet will eventually replace physical teachers.
Posted by: young_voter | August 11, 2010, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Posted by: J.R. | Aug 11, 2010 7:49:00 PM
Nothing??? JR, check out “EXCLUSIVE: Obama wins more spending cuts than Bush; Washington Times.” And that was in January. Then see “Gates Says Defense Bureaucracy Swollen, Declares Cuts”,Bloomberg
Lies hurt your case. Meanwhile, what do the Republicans propose that will draw down the deficit and benefit the economy and job creation(besides a retread of Bush’s policies which I believe– and I’m not alone– contributed very much to the mess we’re in)???
Posted by: progressive mama | August 11, 2010, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
“EXCLUSIVE: Obama wins more spending cuts than Bush; Washington Times”
so you’re saying that the budget decreased? Is the one spending less or more than Bush? has the budget increased or decreased? Just sayin.
Posted by: J.R. | August 11, 2010, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
Eventually you have to cut through the BS, the spin…
Obama this, Bush that…
It doesn’t matter… the truth will be in the market place… no one will buy rotten meat or soured milk, not even you…
Someone said that a democracy is inherently doomed… it can only last until the people discover they can vote themselves more and more largesse from the public treasury. From then on, they will always vote for the party that promises the most… until the economy collapses due to poor fiscal policy taking the government with it… we are there now…
Go ahead unions, pile it on…
A democracy is always followed by a dictatorship…
I’m not making this up… check your history…
You are living in the last days of the Late Great USA!
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 11, 2010, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Go ahead unions, pile it on…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | Aug 11, 2010 11:25:30 PM
The top 2% rich of the United States owns 95% of the wealth – and you blame the unions.
Get a grip on reality.
Posted by: sharonk | August 11, 2010, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
The top 2% rich of the United States owns 95% of the wealth – and you blame the unions.
Get a grip on reality.
Posted by: sharonk | Aug 11, 2010 11:34:04 PM
The top 2% rich will suffer with the rest of us in the eventual decline… unless the disinvest early…
What are your plans?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 11, 2010, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
progressive mama: “I love Nancy Pelosi; she drives the conservative wackos wacko AND she doesn’t quit! She actually does her job and accomplishes things!!”
Does her job and accomplishes things? For whom?
In a CBS News poll published on March 22nd, Pelosi enjoyed an 11% approval rating.
A recent Gallup poll showed that Congress’ job approval rating stands at 19% in August, near the historical lows seen in recent months. Approval is a record-low 5% among Republicans and a lackluster 38% among Democrats.
Congress’ average approval rating thus far in 2010 is 20% — down from 30% in 2009, the first year of the 111th Congress. This year’s average easily trails the 36% average approval Gallup has recorded for Congress since the measure was established in 1974, and is the lowest seen in any midterm congressional election year since then. The record-low single rating for the measure is 14% in July 2008. (
Democrats have controlled both chambers of Congress since January 2007.)
Gallup stated that low Congressional job approval is generally associated with large seat losses by the majority party in midterm elections, a sign of potential trouble for the Democrats in 2010.
Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2010, 12:11 am 12:11 am
green.goddess: “Talk about unicorns, rivers of chocolate, and spontaneous rainbows: “trickle down” is a conservative fantasy.”
Trickle down is not a conservative theory. It’s a universal economic law under all economic conditions. You’re seeing trickle down in effect right now in the form of record unemployment and underemployment.
Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2010, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Skip: “But in a democracy like ours the public will decide through their elected officials what tax rate is fair.”
We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic. And right now the Democratic Party in control of Congress couldn’t care less what the public wants. Pelosi made it clear to her Democratic House members that they should vote on bills even if it means they lose their seats in November. That doesn’t sound like elected officials who care about the will of the People to me. Does it to you?
Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2010, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Posted by: J.R. | Aug 11, 2010 10:15:10 PM
I’m pointing out that you either are misinformed or you lied when you wrote: his reckless administration has just increased spending while cutting nothing.
See “Obama wins more spending cuts than Bush; Washington Times”
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 12:28 am 12:28 am
Posted by: Mary | Aug 12, 2010 12:11:29 AM
So you only accomplish something if polls say you did?
If you end slavery and the polls say you oughtta be shot, was ending slavery an accomplishment or not?
Nancy Pelosi has passed ethics reforms, creating a new in-house and quite aggressive watchdog, the Office of Congressional Ethics. Since she took over as Speaker, there are fewer earmarks and they’re more transparent. She’s passed health reforms, financial regulation reforms, fair pay legislation, the stimulus, TARP, etc, etc, etc. She’s both an idealist and a realist who gets what needs to be done done whether its popular or politically expedient or not.
And she’s wonderfully delicious when it comes to bugging the bejeezus out of right wingers, God love her.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 12:37 am 12:37 am
We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic.
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Oh, lordy. Why is it that goofball right wingers love to point this out? Not saying you’re a goofball right winger, but there is always some nut at a gathering that says this as if its news, never minding that democracy is a colloquialism for just that.
Look up democracy in the dictionary and what do you get? Well, lets see:
1.government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies. (dictionary dot com)
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Someone let me know when teachers, fire fighters, and police officers want to join the rest of us and become real Americans.
In the meantime, after exhaustive review and analysis, Obama, otherwise known as NoBo by those who really know him, is headed for a presidency of complete disaster. It will soon get to the point that staunch Democrats will be calling him the idiot that he is.
Posted by: Noz | August 12, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am
And she’s wonderfully delicious when it comes to bugging the bejeezus out of right wingers, God love her.
Posted by: progressive mama | Aug 12, 2010 12:37:45 AM
God love her as her profligate spending drives this once great country into the abyss…
It’s almost all over now… you will wake up soon wondering what happened…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 12, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Nancy Pelosi . . . . . God love her. – ProMa
NEWS FLASH for ProMa.
God does not love evil, he puts up with it.
We, the American People, are following his lead.
Posted by: Noz | August 12, 2010, 12:48 am 12:48 am
“We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic”
I’ve always suspected this argument is a deviant attempt to get the foot in the door toward somehow restricting people’s right to vote.
Posted by: Skip | August 12, 2010, 12:48 am 12:48 am
The Democrats ran on the promise to reform healthcare and that’s exactly what they did. On the other hand financial reform was popular.
Posted by: Skip | August 12, 2010, 12:58 am 12:58 am
“The Democrats ran on the promise to reform healthcare and that’s exactly what they did.” – Skippy
Too bad they did such a lousy job of actually solving the problems Americans were having with health care and thus they get to lose big time in November as a well deserved punishment.
Posted by: Noz | August 12, 2010, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Posted by: Noz | Aug 12, 2010 12:48:13 AM
As I said, not only has she made amazing progress when it comes to ethics reform, financial regulation reform, health care reform, etc, etc, but she’s also wonderfully delicious at bugging the bejeezus out of right wingers, God love her. Like silver to vampires and water to witches…
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Trickle down is not a conservative theory.
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No, as green goddess pointed out its a conservative fantasy, like the tax fairy.
What’s happened to inequality in America and real wages since Reagan?
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 1:16 am 1:16 am
Healthcare reform could have been alot better if Joe Lieberman hadn’t killed the public option which would have been a powerful tool for controlling costs in the private sector, however the insurance industry cried no public option was needed, that they could afford to cover everybody with mandated coverage. Once it was given their right-wing droids started the campaign that mandated coverage impinges on people’s freedoms, undermining their agreements. It’s all further proof that you just can’t trust big business or Republicans to operate in the public’s best interests. The only good reform is no reform.
Posted by: Skip | August 12, 2010, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Healthcare reform could have been alot better if Joe Lieberman hadn’t killed the public option…
Posted by: Skip | Aug 12, 2010 1:20:46 AM
Skip, catch up… the countries with a “public option” are moving away from it…
There will never be a public option… the money is all spent… the tide is running in the other direction…
Start fending for yourself instead of waiting for some great benefactor tor to bail you out…
The producers in this society are overburdened…
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 12, 2010, 1:28 am 1:28 am
You’re just talking generic ideological nonsense again Quo, the whole idea of a public option is to drive down costs in the insurance market through government competition, not charity. And if the insurance industry didn’t think it would do just that then why were they so terrified of it?
Posted by: Skip | August 12, 2010, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Posted by: Skip | Aug 12, 2010 1:34:45 AM
As demonstrated every time it has been tried, the pubic option cannot control cost, it can only ration care, or diminish quality of care…
Pain pill anyone?
Posted by: Quo Warranto? | August 12, 2010, 1:58 am 1:58 am
“When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you will have five days to look online and find out what’s in it before I sign it.” – BHO, JUNE 22, 2007
Posted by: Benevolus | August 12, 2010, 8:48 am 8:48 am
This wonderful jobs bill requires any state that takes the money to maintain their current levels of spending on education. Congress is a virus.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 12, 2010, 8:55 am 8:55 am
“his reckless administration has just increased spending while cutting nothing.”
Fine, you want your little victory, have at it. The fact remains that you can’t talk up the “cuts” you’re making when you’re dramatically increasing the budget and deficit (on track for roughly 1.4 Trillion once again!). This is reality, those aren’t lies. I do not consider (and I think most would agree) what Obama has done to be cuts in the budget.
Posted by: J.R. | August 12, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
progressive mama: “Look up democracy in the dictionary and what do you get?”
A dictionary? Why don’t you READ our Constitution and educate yourself?
The US Constitution was never intended to create a democracy. Many of our founding fathers feared creating a “democracy” because democracies often led to “mob rule.”
We are a representative republic. In a representative republic, sovereign power is held by “We the People” individually such that each individual is “endowed by his creator with unalienable rights.” These rights can never be taken away by majority vote.
The sole purpose of a republican government is to “secure those individual rights.” In a democracy, sovereign power is invested collectively only in the group as a whole.
The ruling class of Progressives are enemies of the Constitution. Those who follow them are clueless about the intent of the Constitution and our founding principles and the danger to their own personal liberties. Through their ignorance, they are enslaving themselves to the state–precisely what our founding fathers took great pains to avoid.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2010, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Posted by: J.R. | Aug 12, 2010 9:18:31 AM
And Gates cuts won’t be cuts either, I imagine. (Get ready for Congress’s NIMBY politics on budget cuts, Broder)
And offsets aren’t offsets. And the CBO numbers on deficits aren’t real.
And blah, blah, blah.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Posted by: progressive mama | Aug 12, 2010 12:37:45 AM
Nancy Pelosi couldn’t care less what you think either. Believe me, she doesn’t have you in mind when she’s jetsetting around in her luxurious $50 million Gulfstream G550 sipping champagne. It’s not about you and it’s not about the will of the People. It’s about oppressive government control over every aspect of our lives and endless power and perks for the political class. At our expense, of course.
Nancy is hated across the political spectrum. She’ll be getting a wake up call in November.
Posted by: Mary | August 12, 2010, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Why don’t you READ our Constitution and educate yourself?
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lol. You forgot to suggest I read the Federalist papers as well. Missed that when I skimmed your rant initially.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 11:03 am 11:03 am
“Many of our founding fathers feared creating a “democracy” because democracies often led to “mob rule.”
I knew it! So when do you suggest we start writing the tests for voter registration?
Posted by: Skip | August 12, 2010, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Nancy is hated across the political spectrum.
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I suppose you didn’t watch her on Top Chef then?
Too much melting.
lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am
I knew it! So when do you suggest we start writing the tests for voter registration?
Posted by: Skip | Aug 12, 2010 11:05:10 AM
You called it, Skip.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Oh, and Mary, just for you,see, from Nancy Pelosi’s Gavel blog “Governors Across the Country Support the Education Jobs and Medicaid Assistance Act. It contains lots of great quotes from Governors who appreciate that Pelosi can get things done. (For a contrast to Pelosi, skim down and read the post titled “House Republican Leader John Boehner: Jobs for Teachers and Cops in States Across America Don’t Matter”– s’pose he’s too busy golfing and clubbing to be concerned about middle class Americans)
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 11:33 am 11:33 am
I knew it! So when do you suggest we start writing the tests for voter registration?
Posted by: Skip | Aug 12, 2010 11:05:10 AM
You called it, Skip.
Posted by: progressive mama |
Hey Mary, looks like you caught a couple.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | August 12, 2010, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Hey Mary, looks like you caught a couple.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | Aug 12, 2010 1:27:37 PM
Hey, FL, aren’t you going to call out “Mary” on her fine demagoguing?
No?
lol, lol, lol.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
“As I said, not only has she made amazing progress when it comes to ethics reform, financial regulation reform, health care reform, etc, etc, ” – ProMa
As I said, too bad all the progress has been made in the negative direction.
It’s is amazing though.
Pelosi is unable to understand the damage she has done being so unaware, pig-headed and mentally challenged.
(sigh)
Posted by: Noz | August 12, 2010, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Posted by: Noz | Aug 12, 2010 6:15:27 PM
Why don’t you explain the damage clearly and precisely and explain the direction you’d like to see the country go in– and how Republicans will get us there(???)And maybe talk up why and how the supertan golf-playing and clubhopping Boehner would be a better choice. The latter would be truly fascinating.
Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi was the one Democratic leader who never publicly wavered from passing health care reform– and today she was there along with Senator Boxer and Secretary of Transportation, Ray Lahood for the groundbreaking marking the beginning of construction on a new public transit hub in SF, which will serve as the northern end of Cali’s high speed rail service.
Progress. Pelosi represents progress.
Posted by: progressive mama | August 12, 2010, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
“The sole purpose of a republican government is to “secure those individual rights.”
Which is why the right wing looks to enforce school prayer and ban gay marriage.
Its all about individual rights.
Theirs and no one else’s.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 15, 2010, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
“Approval is a record-low 5% among Republicans and a lackluster 38% among Democrats”
5%!!!!!!
Let’s look at that again 5 PERCENT of people approve of the Republican party. Which means the GOP is approved by the buts here and no one else.
Posted by: Ryan C | August 15, 2010, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Looking at the most important factor “cost” in manufacturing how can anyone who believes in the principles of American Labor Unions vote for these people? Jobs!!! If the change we needed in 2008 (H.R.2830) had been voted on in the Senate after passing the house 395-7, according to a report prepared for Congress in Dec2009 this type of legislation would have caused the cost of foreign imports to rise as the legislation would require mostly foreign ships to retrofit with new technology to keep our water clean. Now the president dose not bother to instruct the Senate to work out the States rights issues of just one Senator. Senator Boxer killed this legislation, that could have created a cost competitive manufacturing base, again in America. Now our president as commander and chief has another study with the military, to coincide with their two decade plan to follow an international organization of economic interest,the IMO, rather than American legislation to regulate what numeric limits of human pathogens and virus we will allow mainly foreign ships, bringing foreign made goods into our country, to dump in our waters. It is to bad that economic globalization is considered more important by this administration than increasing our manufacturing competitiveness and protecting our waters.
Posted by: Don Mitchel | August 15, 2010, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
the President pushed the House to pass a $26 billion emergency aid bill to guarantee the jobs of teachers, fire fighters, nurses and first responders around the country.
Posted by: sauna esofman | August 26, 2011, 9:10 am 9:10 am