Plane Breaches Obama Secure Airspace, Jets Scrambled

maybe this clown should stay in wash dc and leave air space clear

Secure airspace has been moving around very frequently lately.

why weren’t they able to scramble jets that quickly on 9-11…hmmmmm

ABC:
Please explain to us exactly how this works: the “sonic booms created by the fighter jet engines.” I’m a product of public education & didn’t realize the “engines” created the sonic booms???

How much did this “campaign junket” cost the taxpayers????

It was al qaeda! he wasnt flying out of Austin TX was he?lol..p.s. 9-11 was perpetrated buy Mossad and Pakistani ISI and crimnial elements inside our government.

So Dave… you say, “why weren’t they able to scramble jets that quickly on 9-11…hmmmmm”
I believe the story said, “By the time the planes reached the skies over Seattle, the violating aircraft had departed the area and was never intercepted…”
So, BHO couldn’t get jets up to intercept a “small aircraft”…
And you are implying Bush should have had F15′s up patroling for… passenger JETS… first there is the issue of the speed of flight of JETS, not small planes but the bigger issue is which flights in all of the US airspace should they have been “gunning” for?
Good Grief!!!

Why is it only idiot conspiro-drones that comment? Ooh, what does it all mean? Why does the president hate our country? I must be stoopid!

Ryan C. You obviously are not a pilot. A private pilot is under no obligation to file a flight plan. He is, however, responsible for checking NOTAMS (notice to airman) that publish what’s called a TFR (temporary flight restrictions). Where ever the president goes there’s a TFR. It’s a pain, but it’s the law.

WWWIII months away! NO MONEY NO FOOD NO CHANCE!
I LOVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER! LETS GO!!!

Im curious why the Air National Guard of Oregon was called? Lets see , Washington state has a Air National Guard ,operating out of SEATAC , theres also McChord AFB in Tacoma. If they wanted to stop this guy it would have been a whole lot faster going to these Washington based pilots!

Boom Boom….bombs in the basement
Boom Boom….we all fall down

not important state business mind you, but FUND RAISING….traffic gets snarled for hours and hours, pedestrians can’t even cross streets for hours, just because Precious wants to fund raise with the Elits in Hollywood, even Babs didn’t show up! Only consolation there is all those ignorant Angelinos voted for him, so there is divine justice. And when Precious goes to Martha’s vineyard or Maine or for a stupid date in New YOrk, traffic is halted, businesses close, millions upon millions of dollars spent on security.
Is this “everyone must show some skin in the game”…..is this the man who is in touch with americans, and who understands that our economy sucks? How you lib wackos can just watch him spend your money like that is beyond me, just like abused people who keep going blindly back to their abusers.

It left the area before being intercepted because it was from outerspace. Mostly came to beem Obama up, but was spooked by the sonic booms. Next time everyone be very quiet and maybe the aliens will succeed.

tax payer money at work.
so pilots need to know coordinates of obama campaign fundraisers now?
lol. he is so one term its not even funny.

I heard the sonic booms. I thought a filing cabinet fell over upstairs, then I heard the 2nd one a bit later.

Dave; Good one!

Sonic booms are not engine noise. They are generated by the airframe when the plane exceeds the speed of sound. The booms are shock waves.
Visual Flight Rules do not require a formal flight plan. No one is required to file. However there are NOTAMs (notice to airmen) that should have been read by pilot to see if any airspace was closed.

There are no jets closer to Seattle than the ones based in Portland, 180 miles to the south? Has Obama closed McCord Air Force base south of Seattle?

Doing what the Obama’s do best, waste other people’s money.

wow, thats a lot better reaction time than what we had on 9-11 and a plane wasnt even flown into a building

@kit
Unlike the Bush’s who do what the Bush’s do best…. oil and war profiteering.

Oops, the confusion, the traffic – it’s true there is a little problem with the traffic here. The real problem is that the Greenies in Seattle have prevented any decent sized road construction projects (beyond 5 and 405) from occurring since at least the late 1970′s.
Lots more people here, lots more traffic, and it’s just what the Greenies like – trying to push everyone to either live in the downtown areas or be forced into the public transit, which really sucks as far as convenience and effectiveness goes.

Isn’t it amazing how quick they could scramble their jets when it is nothing but when there are terrorists in airliners it takes them what an hour or more.

As to:
“Sonic booms are not engine noise. They are generated by the airframe when the plane exceeds the speed of sound. The booms are shock waves.”
I strongly hope that anyone over the age of six knows this. But, I know better than to wish things like that.

@edicated: You have no idea what you’re talking about. As a resident of this region for almost all of my life, they are consistently doing road work on both 5 and 405 to upgrade them. Yes, they are trying to promote alternatives too, but they are not eschewing roads in a pro-traffic agenda. Quite the contrary. In fact, in an effort to create more jobs, there’s been more roadwork projects this summer than in years (although they’ve always taken place for as long as I can remember). You obviously don’t know anything about this.

@edicated: You have no idea what you’re talking about. As a resident of this region for almost all of my life, they are consistently doing road work on both 5 and 405 to upgrade them. Yes, they are trying to promote alternatives too, but they are not eschewing roads in a pro-traffic agenda. Quite the contrary. In fact, in an effort to create more jobs, there’s been more roadwork projects this summer than in years (although they’ve always taken place for as long as I can remember). You obviously don’t know anything about this.

Correction: EA-18 Growler

What was supposed to scramble out of McCord AFB???? C-17s??? were we going to shoot the plane down with a cargo plane???? They don’t have fighters there

Where were these jets on 911 ?

I enjoyed hearing the sonic booms, there were two about 30 to 40 seconds apart – thought something had hit the building as the steel frame work and glass took the hit.
We don’t get that kind of excitement every day so at least the blow hard that was the cause of it all brought something to the northwest other than his empty rhetoric.

wow all you people who think the fighter jets could have possible prevented the 9/11 attack are ridiculous. first of all, there was so much confusion when the first plane hit that nobody knew it was a terrorist attack, let alone that another plane was en route. second of all, the fighter jets were scrambled a little bit before the second plane hit just as a precaution and they didn’t intercept the 2nd plane because they were scrambled from a base the was far away. want someone to blame for 9/11? blame all the radical Muslims who believe Western civilization should be razed to the ground

I don’t care if he is a demican or a Martian. This guy is spending money we don’t have like it grows on trees!

tutor (8:05 PM); No one believes scrambling jets on 9/11 would have made any difference. They just see an oportunity to spout more sophmoric adolescent partisan rants.

The small plane must have been flown by Bush. Everything else is his fault so I’m sure this was as well.

“Posted by: Dean | Aug 17, 2010 8:50:47 PM
tutor (8:05 PM); No one believes scrambling jets on 9/11 would have made any difference. They just see an oportunity to spout more sophmoric adolescent partisan rants.”
Speaking of sophmoric rants Dean, here’s some titles of other Obama stories.
# Sarcastic in Seattle: Obama Says Republicans’ Slogan is ‘No We Can’t,’ Calls It ‘Really Inspiring’
# President Obama on Senate Republicans: ‘Obstruct More? Is That Even Possible?’

LOL too bad they were in the KINGS airspace did he missa party or a golf game LOL poor KI(D

hey at the time of 911 it was policy that no aircraft were to have ordnance above the Richmond VA area. just like when the aircraft carriers come in the jets are landed on a navy airfield and the ordinance is left aboard the aircraft carrier and that was policy for years!

I heard the two booms and immediately knew what caused them..no they weren’t sonic booms, they were the result of all the hot air from the President the moment he began speaking!

Too bad the guy turned out to be just a general aviation pilot who didn’t realize boundaries. We are still waiting.

Pilot:
“Don’t tase me bro!”

Goldhorder | Aug 17, 2010 10:14:47 PM posted: “I believe the pilot should be executed.”
And the Republicans tell us they are not being usurped by the “fringe”.

These no-fly zones around anyone the government declares to be a VIP are a ridiculous sham, the finest of faux security.

Captain Will for security czar!

I live in South Seattle. They were extremely loud, surprised they didn’t break windows. Didn’t find out till later that they had shut down a corridor from the Cascades to the Olympics or basically the entire Puget Sound region. Kenmore Air the largest local float plane airline said the presidents visit cost them about $50,000.00. Thanks Patty Murray and Obama! A friend to small business! BTW thats the ONLY reason he was in town, to fund raise for a potentially losing senator.

I never thought I’d be in agreement with someone from the Qualye family. Dan’s son referred to President Bait and Switch as the worst president ever.
Everyday a new outrage. Next time could the air force jets escort this man’s plane safely out of the country. That is after Ramadan is over.

What was the carbon footprint of those F-15s?
Next time send balloons, doesn’t Obama love mother earth as much as the nuts who voted for him?

For what?
Posted by: PatinNJ | Aug 17, 2010 10:40:14 PM
For His Highness and Michelle Antoinette, of course! It’s their world, we’re just renting space.

The real question might be , why Oregon Air National Guard? No knock on these award winning flying heros ( they are very talented) but McCord Air Force base has or at least had a squad of F15′s . Why fly 175 miles on burner when you could go 20 miles with the regulars? Oh , I’m sorry forgot must be Bush’s fault.
Those of you Washington voters please remember to throw out the Murray with the rest of the trash.

How come when I go around nobody bothers to issue a TFR to protect me from falling planes?
Oh, well, I knew all along that the modern-day quasi-royalty isn’t like the rest of us peons. Some people are just more equal than others.

The small plane’s pilot was flying in his home area. It is Obama who keeps violating the U.S. air space. Obama should take a lesson from Michelle and fly above Europe. Then he won’t disturb U.S. citizen.

OMG you flew threw the fuhrer’s air space how dare you!

All in the name of fundraising. First he ties up all traffic in Los Angeles, then Milwaukee, now Seattle. But hey, campaigning is what he does best. It’s all he’s been doing since ’08.

too bad they didn’t take the Flight 93 approach to this chain of reaction…

Somebody or something has to deflect the focus and attention from the real issue and problem – the govenrmental idiots.

I was in my car near Boeing Field in Seattle, when I heard what sounded like
POP-POP, then POP-POP. Very much like muffled small fire crackers in the distance. Effect was much less severe, but timing was perfect compared to sonic booms experience previously.
It did sound like sonic booms, but given general rules for such things it didn’t seem possible.
I’m certainly glad the President was Ok and that there were no injuries.

The confusion was of the government’s own making. This possibility was envisioned since at least ’94 and the planes were behaving exactly as you’d expect of a hijacked plane to be used as a suicide bomb. It would have been child’s play to have stopped them if proper procedures had been designed and/or implemented. Since the did scramble planes clearly the possibility was thought of, so why wasn’t anything done?

Yes the internet has helped get NOTAM’s and TFS’s out better. I remember when they used to be papered one over another on corkboards.
Problem is the SS and FAA don’t always disclose AF-1′s TFRs far enough in advance.

Since the sonic booms really did not sound like sonic booms and no plane was found; it sounds staged…just as the AF1 flyover in NYC. This idiot of a prez cannot get enough attention. True evidence of why the Dems must go. November IS coming!

I’m a pilot. It is easy to happen, and it actually happens a lot (well, more often than most people think). When I flew near Crawford, Texas, we were always looking for the NOTAMs – Prez. Bush was there a lot. The folks that ran the flight school and rented the planes always knew – it was their business to know. I know I am always supposed to look to see, but on a routine flight from airport to airport and nowhere near where a NOTAM might be, and just doing some practice time in the air, it would be easy to miss. This ain’t news, it’s just using up newsprint.

first of all we have now about the small voilated plane which make the f-15 jet fighter to make the noise sonic and so the noise is so huge the airspace has to land on the president place

So we have the largest air base in the pacific northwest @ joint base lewis macord about 20 miles from seattle and were scrambling jets over 150 (straight line distance) miles from Portland?

Obama belongs in prison for several counts of treason. It should be easier to protect him if he stayed in one place.

The viral comments of hate and epithets from the right wing nutcases are a prime example of why America sucks big time in 2010.

BBG wrote:The viral comments of hate and epithets from the right wing nutcases are a prime example of why America sucks big time in 2010.
The viral comments that the anyone has against Stinky (BO) comes no where near the vitriolic hate that your loony left had for GW

I wonder if the FAA was up to speed on making the information about the airspace readily available to all pilots in the for m of a NOTAM. I almost had an incident of airspace violation on my way with a friend to get hamburgers at a fly in restaurant. We checked to make sure of the correct time of when the airspace would be closed, filled a flight plan with air traffic control and 15mins into the flight air traffic control told us that the VIP had changed the times and was coming earlier. We had to terminate our flight to lunch and turn around. Our VIP sure does like to travel a lot and on short notice. How many times have you had to turn around on a highway to go home because someone important was going to be there. If you ask me this is a huge waste of tax payer’s money and a major inconvenience. Business aviation on Martha’s Vineyard have to remain grounded when the president shows up. They don’t make money while he’s visiting.

Now everyone’s an expert on TFR’s and NOTAMS. Yesterday morning, pilots were not “following their VFR flight plan” or were “off course”. Proof positive that people blog first before they have a clue.

According to some, we are now blaming the divergence of opinion as too why American demonstrates the characteristics of a vacuum cleaner..Not too worry, Pelosi plans to investigate you if your opinion is opposite of theirs…you have now become opposition and need to be punished…AND THEY WONDER WHY….

Where was this type of action on 9/11???
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Answer: jets were scrambled as soon as they realized the threat. Very little time remained from threat-identification and impact because (a)distance from take-off to impact was very short relative to flying speed; (b)terrorists waited until relatively close to target before taking over the aircraft.
The terrorists on the plane that did not reach target (WH, Congress?) acted too quickly and ran up against brave Americans who acted to prevent their success.

Not a story of any importance.

Obama is a man without a resume makes W look like a genius.

John | Aug 18, 2010 7:28:12 AM posted: “If you ask me this is a huge waste of tax payer’s money and a major inconvenience.” Just imagine how “inconvenient” it would it be if NORAD’s response was not tested and trained. NORAD’s Battle Control System-Fixed (BCS-F) has command and control nodes at posts in Alaska, New York state, Washington state, Hawaii, and Canada.
You may recall that after 9/11, NORAD improved its ability to detect and monitor aircraft. According to Defense Industry Daily, the US Air Force funded development of an updated tracking system called Battle Control System-Fixed (BCS-F). This system now integrates data from civil air traffic sensors, as well as airborne, ground and naval sensors, into an air picture that allows NORAD to better monitor airspace.
BCS-F is designed to help detect off-course aircraft (such as the ones that struck the World Trade Center.) Using high-speed servers that correlate data from radar and flight control sources, BCS-F is intended to deliver a heads-up.
Before flying, all aircraft file an approved flight plan with the FAA. NORAD takes the data from the FAA + data from radar and datalinks, and correlates it to make sure that aircraft is flying within its flight plan. When a flight plan deviates by a certain amount, the BCS-F system alerts the operator to determine what to do next.
According to NORAD, an effort is made to establish radio contact with the deviating flight, but the ground commander has the option of scrambling jets. Complain away about “wasting tax dollars” or the Obama administration, but as an Oregonian, I am thankful the Air National Guard has two fighters on alert at all times to patrol the air space from central California to the Canadian border.
Many thanks and keep up the great work Oregon Air National Guard.

>>What about shutting down airport so Airforce One can land. Any consideration for Airport workers or for Travelers????????NONE
Posted by: Lizzie | Aug 18, 2010 11:02:42 AM
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How could I have forgotten that? My husband missed a flight because of Obama's travel.

EAST COAST | Aug 18, 2010 11:40:09 AM POSED: “THE CORRUPT OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CAN THROW LAVISH PARTIES AND RAISE MILLIONS, AT A GLITZY HOLLYWOOD FUNDRAISER — BUT THEY CAN’T CREATE JOBS FOR STARVING AMERICANS! THEY CAN’T SECURE OUR BORDERS. THEY CAN’T STOP SPENDING, ETC., ETC., ETC.!!!”
And the Republicans tell us they are not being usurped by the “fringe”.

I may not like the guy, but the SS is just doing their job. He is the president, and a bad one at that. But this too shall pass.

I love to read posts from all you Bush “nuthuggers”. Obama isn’t God and it would take a miracle to fix the mess this country is in. BTW, Bush was always on vacation and he didn’t have to focus so much on fundraising with all of you already on his jock.

His little Hollywood visit caused 3-5 hours of delay on our freeway system…people couldn’t get to work…. people couldn’t come home from work..people just leaving their cars abandoned and walking away….WHY???? So a few select, arrogant and rich Hollywood liberals could feel….wait for it…..Special/Important….AND THEY WONDER WHY……

@Robert
Obama is a man without a resume makes W look like a genius.
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I have a foot fungus that W makes look like a genius.

Here’s a thought GG…So why add to it, gridlock..why not chopper him in rather than holding up traffic for his PERSONAL AGENDA..This was not government business…Self-Serving Attitude…Seems to be the standard for the Obamas’ of late..Guess you got to get while the gett’in good….