By Maya

Sep 8, 2010 12:17pm

Clinton Calls Koran Burning Plan “Outrageous,” Urges Church to Cancel

ABC News' Kirit Radia reports: Today Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined a chorus of senior U.S. officials in calling on a tiny church in Florida to cancel its plans to burn copies of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Calling the plans to burn the Islamic holy book “outrageous,” Clinton said “we are hoping that the pastor decides not to do this.” In response to a question following a speech on the reach of American power in the 21st century at the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton stressed the church’s actions do not represent America. “We're a country of what, 310 million plus right now? And, I mean, it's regrettable that a pastor in Gainesville, Florida with a church of no more than 50 people can make this outrageous and distressful, disgraceful plan and get, you know, the world's attention,” she said. “It doesn't in any way represent America or Americans or American government or American religious or political leadership. And we are, as you've seen in the last few days, you know, speaking out,” Clinton added. At an Iftar dinner at the State Department last night, Clinton said she was “heartened” by the swift condemnation of the plans from a range of political leaders. Earlier, her spokesman PJ Crowley called the plans “un-American.” Attorney General Eric Holder said it was “idiotic.” Yesterday General David Petraeus, the top commander of U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, said if the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville goes ahead with its plans it would put U.S. troops at risk. Already, he noted, there have been protests in Kabul in which Pastor Terry Jones has been burned in effigy. Still, Pastor Jones has said he is undeterred. In an interview with ABC News Nightline anchor Terry Moran yesterday, Jones acknowledged Petraeus’ concerns and said he and his congregation would pray about it, but saw no reason why they would not go ahead. "Of course it's insulting, of course it's not a nice thing to do," Jones, a former hotel manager, said. "But this is a very dangerous religion. If we don't do it, when do we stop backing down?" -Kirit Radia

User Comments

I eagerly await Harry Reid’s view on this matter!

Posted by: Y/N | September 8, 2010, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

It’s insulting to Muslims, it’s in poor taste, and it’s far from a Christian act, in my humble opinion, I hope they don’t do it.
Still, when I read today about a Muslim leader in Washington State who’s leading a protest against it because the koran-burning could “incite violence,” I’m reminded that, as far as some are concerned, we’re in a war that’s been going on for centuries.
By the way, did ABC ever publish those “infamous” Mohammed cartoons? If not, why not? No news value?

Posted by: Bob | September 8, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

At an Iftar dinner at the State Department last night, Clinton said she was “heartened” by the swift condemnation of the plans from a range of political leaders. Earlier, her spokesman PJ Crowley called the plans “un-American.” Attorney General Eric Holder said it was “idiotic.”
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What Jones is doing is idiotic, and I have no idea why it has gotten so much attention. I wish he wouldn’t do it. I wish everyone would ignore him.
How many religious events does the State Department hold each year?

Posted by: MayBee | September 8, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

“Still, when I read today about a Muslim leader in Washington State who’s leading a protest against it because the koran-burning could “incite violence,” I’m reminded that, as far as some are concerned, we’re in a war that’s been going on for centuries.”
Bob, if only you knew what violence burning a Bible or Talmud has caused!

Posted by: Redux | September 8, 2010, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Everyone settle down. This guy burning the Koran is just protesting the recently passed health care legislation.

Posted by: Hizzoner | September 8, 2010, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Burning the Quran is disrespectful to Muslims and in the name of treating others as you would be treated shouldn’t be done. However you must ask yourself would the reaction of the Christian community be equally as violent if an Imam were burning Bibles? Of course Christians wouldn’t like it either, but we all know there would not be threats of violence and an international media outrage at the prospect. Radical Islam disrespects western culture and faith on a daily basis and yet the media and the government tells us we are intolerant for not liking this. Why must we continue to tiptoe around Islam? It is a true double standard! Yes burning Qurans is wrong because Jesus told us to treat others the way that we want to be treated. This is good advice for Christians AND Muslims.

Posted by: marvb | September 8, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

This isn’t a “church”, it’s a cult of the Devil. His previous congregation kicked him out for his demonic hatred.

Posted by: doubting thomas | September 8, 2010, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

His previous congregation kicked him out for his demonic hatred.

Nobody like demons, Tommy. Devils? You bet. Awesome team hockey team!

Posted by: Hat Trick | September 8, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

The United States Department of State holds an annual iftar dinner for community leaders from US society and faith groups as well as foreign policy officials. The first President to attend an iftar was Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: MBSCHM | September 8, 2010, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Let me understand this: If Pastor Jones goes through with the koran burning then muslims will be so offended that they will commit violence ( and on another website (huffington post) a muslim leader said Americans will be killed wherever muslims see them if the books are burned). If muslims do start killing won’t that prove Pastor Jones’ point?
I agree it is wrong to insult their religion but where is the tolerance from muslims? Does it make sense to murder people over a book? Christianity is often mocked by islamic leaders but I don’t see christians using it as an excuse to murder people.

Posted by: MLR | September 8, 2010, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

radical muslims burn down two towers with peopel inside and we are worried about a few radical Christian nuts offending Muslims by burning a holy book
nuts to them
burn a big stack of korans and preserve our right to protest, and that means any religion which are all just deluded beleif systems

Posted by: robbyk | September 8, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Freedom of expression is not without limitations. I don’t see why the Department of Homeland Security has not gotten involved. We don’t have to ALLOW this zealot to go through with his dangerous and provocative intentions.

Posted by: Larkin | September 8, 2010, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Great Googlie Mooglie!! Burning Books Again! Those crazy preachers. They tickle me so. Anyway, it’s just a Muslim bible. Somebody will print more of them.

Posted by: Clifton | September 8, 2010, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

If the reporters would dig a little deeper they would see why he is doing this. He could couldn’t care less about the Koran just like that idiot church from Topeka couldn’t care less about fags, they are in it for the money. Always follow the money. This malcontent Jerry Jones does own a business disquised as a church. Do the research. The only thing I can figure is that he probably didn’t think this publicity stunt would go this far…now he has to do it. If you stop his freedom of speech, he will take you to court, just like those cretins at the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka do. This has nothing to do with freedom of religion either…his burning the Koran doesn’t stop anyone from worshipping and he knows that. Thank you lame stream media for not researching this and giving him the attention he wants. We always make fun of the National Inquirer but at least they don’t pretend to be unbiased journalists

Posted by: Steven | September 8, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

So why not just have the pastor place the book into a jar and then p** into it. When it was done with a cross, it was considered art. I wonder if there would be the same sort of response coming from everyone re: the possible violent muslim reaction.

Posted by: J.R. | September 8, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

It was okay for the christians – to be denied the right to the National Day of Prayer – when they DIS-INVITED Franklin Graham to be the speaker – it’s okay to diss christians – and nobody says a word about that! Guess what folks, NEWSFLASH! Do you what took place on the National Day of Prayer at the White House? Instead of it being a day of Christian Prayer like it should have been, it was a day of prayer for the muslims – they enjoyed it, instead of the Christians – muslims made it their day instead – as 50,000 muslims gathered together and made it their day of prayer!!!!! And who orchestrated this event? None – other than obama himself! He DIS-INVITED Franklin Graham to the Event – and therefore denied thousands of christians the National Day of Prayer Event as well – because he is a MUSLIM! They have no problem spitting in the face of christians, and our christian nation, and personally I’m sick of it! How dare they come into this country – and try and take over with their radical ideas! The problem is we have a muslim so-called prez. called obama – or should I say obama-nation running our country! He’s a sorry excuse for a prez. and a muslim to boot. IF he doesn’t destroy us, as a country, it will be a miracle! God help us all! God’s the only one that can fix this mess!

Posted by: Jay Jay | September 8, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

“I just posted a blog about this. BTW, I’m a pastor and I believe the Florida church is acting in a distinctly un-Christlike manner.”
You planning violence?

Posted by: Worried Sick | September 8, 2010, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Just because you CAN do something, or that it is legal, doesn’t mean you should, it is a good idea, etc. This guy shouldn’t burn the Koran even though it is legal, of course. Likewise the hippies, Islamists, etc shouldn’t burn the US flag, Bible, Torah, etc. Or build a victory mosque at GroundZero. Sure it is legal but is it nice, friendly, or a good thing to do? What about common sense, decorum, or just plain being nice to people?

Posted by: Ed | September 8, 2010, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Gee we haven’t had the right wing calling for a book burning since the Dixie Chicks dared speak ill of George Bush.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

DO NOT DENY THIS MAN HIS RIGHT TO PROTEST!

Posted by: Clifton | September 8, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Gee we haven’t had the right wing calling for a book burning since the Dixie Chicks dared speak ill of George Bush.

But that protest bombed.

Posted by: SeeFour | September 8, 2010, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Perhaps it should not be done. We will let all the other nations continue to spit and soil our flag. We will continue to say, “That alright. You have to vent your anger somehow.” But if an American want to do the same thing it’s disgraceful? I don’t think so. Give them a taste of the same bitter medicine they have been pushing on us.

Posted by: Clifton | September 8, 2010, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

The very idea that the solemn anniversary of 9-11 could be pre-empted by this bogus story infuriates me. I hope the propaganda peddlers in the press enjoy their week-end sitting on the side of some gravel road in the backwoods of Gainesville-they deserve it…bring the mosquito spray, suckers..you’ll need it!

Posted by: cindy | September 8, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

This very blog, Political Punch, posted a story which was confirmed by Jake Tapper on May 19, 2009 at 12:56 PM with the headline: “Bibles Destroyed in Afghanistan… By U.S. Military”.
Has Jake mentioned this to the White House and asked why it is appropriate to burn the Bible but not Koran?
To all of you readers who are upset that a private citizen would burn a Holy Book, are you also upset that the United States has officially sanctioned and actually performed this action?
Or is it only the burning of Holy Books that are sacred to “The Other” that is offensive to you?
Also, if the imam has a “constitutional right” to build a mosque near Ground Zero, does this man also have a “constitutional right” to burn a book that he owns?
If not, please explain the difference…

Posted by: Curious Reader | September 8, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

A New York Times poll shows that two thirds of New Yorkers want an Islamic study center and mosque, planned for a site two blocks from Ground Zero, to be moved. However, the wife of Imam Rauf who is in the payroll of DOS, accused those object to ground zero mosque ‘antisemitic’.

Posted by: austin | September 8, 2010, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

“Gee we haven’t had the right wing calling for a book burning since the Dixie Chicks dared speak ill of George Bush. ”
And you know they are right wing how?
I would expect that since, in this country, we have the freedom to do such an act that the president will come out and state that he sees no reason why they should not be able to do what they are planning. Like he did with the ground zero mosque.

Posted by: J.R. | September 8, 2010, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

However, the wife of Imam Rauf who is in the payroll of DOS, accused those object to ground zero mosque ‘antisemitic’.

I made the mistake of turning down bagels and lox a few years ago. Thankfully, Ms. Rauf doesn’t know!

Posted by: Sad | September 8, 2010, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

“Gee we haven’t had the right wing calling for a book burning since the Dixie Chicks dared speak ill of George Bush. ”
And you know they are right wing how?
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Dude, maybe that Ryan guy he meant album burning? Back in the day, an album that was burning rocked!

Posted by: Heavy Metal | September 8, 2010, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Before everyone rushes to support these muslims, maybe you should do some homework and see what they really stand for? Do you know what they stand for? The Koran, Quran, is NOT a doctrine of love, but rather a doctrine of HATE! The bible is a doctrine of LOVE. A love letter sent to you – from God. Why should our predominantly christian nation, allow the Koran/Quran in – which embraces hate, and hateful acts, and allow it – to infiltrate our society? Freedom of religion is one thing, BUT where do we draw the line? Do you know what is happening in Europe, Germany, and in the European Union right now? They are in-undated with muslims, who want to take over, with their radical ideas, and beliefs, they are or want to institute Sharia Law – something I guarantee you won’t like – remember MOST muslims embrace a doctrine of Hatred. If you don’t believe it? try looking up the Koran, or Quran online! Is this what you want to invite into our country?!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! Sometimes it’s good to do a little homework, before we start spouting our opinions so quickly. You need to know who and what you are defending. Is it this country and the christian beliefs, that most hold dear, or is it the muslims, their doctrine of hate – which is the Koran/Quran, and their agenda?

Posted by: Jay Jay | September 8, 2010, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

The Christian Bible also promotes HATE. If a person of one sex loves someone of the same sex you all HATE them for it. God does not promote Love. He/She promotes Hate and Fear. Hate all those that are not the same as you and FEAR God because He/She may smite you at any time. Don’t try to pretend that Christians are any better.
I’m not saying one religion is better than any other. They all have the same structure. What I am saying it that this may has a constitutional right to protest in this manner and, as Americans, we must support his right to protest.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AND AIRMEN ARE THERE TO DEFEND. OUR RIGHTS!

Posted by: Look_Straight | September 8, 2010, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Attorney General Eric Holder said it was “idiotic.”
LMAO… a radical left wing extremist, that is supposed to uphold ones constitutional rights ( such as building a Mosque on private property, adn prosecuting those that violate the Civil Rights Act, )… calling this Idiotic….only in Obamaland LMAO
Obama VS America

Posted by: Yep I said that | September 8, 2010, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Obama involves himself with the mosque and now Hillary with this? These are rookie political moves we are witnessing. We really need to clean up our mess in DC. Not one of these stories warrants ANY level of government intervention. It leaves you wide open for political adversaries to attack.

Posted by: lfrichar | September 8, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

PJ Crowley called the plans “un-American
LMAO.. now Clinton spokeperson saying that it is “un-American” to protest………another moronic statement by a radical left wing extremist
Obama VS America

Posted by: Yep I said that | September 8, 2010, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

By the way, President Obama is doing a much better job at running the country then Ex-President Bush did. He’s had a lot of work to do cleaning up the mess that his predecessor made.

Posted by: Get_It_Right | September 8, 2010, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

“By the way, President Obama is doing a much better job at running the country then Ex-President Bush did. He’s had a lot of work to do cleaning up the mess that his predecessor made.”
Yeah, he fixed that messy carpet!

Posted by: 2 Ply | September 8, 2010, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

By the way, President Obama is doing a much better job at running the country then Ex-President Bush did. He’s had a lot of work to do cleaning up the mess that his predecessor made.
Posted by: Get_It_Right
Oh you mean in 2006, when unemployment was 4.6%, market at close to 13,000, adn the corruptocrats taking over Congress and driving us into a meltdown ..OR…Are you talking about When Corruptocrat Andrew Cumo was head of HUD under Clinton and instituted the “everyone deserves to own a home debacle” and set into motion the events of people living paycheck to paycheck…buying homes they could NOT ever afford????
Which one is it???
Obama VS America

Posted by: Yep I said that | September 8, 2010, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

I believe it would be the time he was reading kiddie books while our nation was under attack. No…wait… I think it was the time he decided to give our tax dollars to the banks so they could… perhaps it was money to the auto manufacturers. Well, maybe it was when he put our troops in harms way to get that mean ol’ leader of Iraq for embarrassing his papa.

Posted by: Get_It_Right | September 8, 2010, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

The only thing the “weapons of mass destruction” destroyed was President Bush’s credibility. Oh yeah. He gave that away much earlier.

Posted by: Get_It_Right | September 8, 2010, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

The media is more to blame for this Koran burning event than the insignificant so called pastor…all he wants is to see his face on TV and the networks are doing it

Posted by: Samir Haddad | September 8, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

It’s no where near as outrageous as a Ground Zero mosque!

Posted by: Doug | September 8, 2010, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

Don’t worry peeps. I emailed the Preacher this morning and if he does what I suggested he’ll have his “burning”, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder will then have to eat their words and call him a hero. The main stream media will be in a Quandary, lost as to which way to go.
: o )

Posted by: Noz | September 8, 2010, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

“And you know they are right wing how”
Narrow interpretation of bible.
Hatred of all non believers.
Shoe fits…

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

“everyone deserves to own a home debacle”
George Bush:
“In America’s ideal of freedom, citizens find the dignity and security of economic independence… To give every American a stake in the promise and future of our country, we will… build an ownership society. We will widen the ownership of homes and businesses, retirement savings and health insurance – preparing our people for the challenges of life in a free society. By making every citizen an agent of his or her own destiny, we will give our fellow Americans greater freedom from want and fear, and make our society more prosperous and just and equal.”
HNN: “The recent push to expand homeownership actually began with President Clinton’s ‘National Homeownership Strategy’ in 1995, after which the homeownership rate shot up 5 percentage points in the next decade (having remained stagnant for the three proceeding decades). Yet while new initiatives to promote homeownership began under President Clinton, the Bush administration pushed hard for using “the mighty muscle of the federal government…to encourage owning your own home.” These measures included tax credits, down payment assistance, vouchers, financial education, regulatory reforms, and pressure on the private sector.”

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

“LMAO.. now Clinton spokeperson saying that it is “un-American” to protest.”
Book burning IS UnAmerican.
Maybe you feel more at home with some of book burnings advocates.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

This crap of us burning Korans will “incite violence” and provoke the extremist Muslims, etc. is getting old. No matter WHAT we do, it’s going to incite and/or provoke them to do something. Just breathing makes us targets. Get the facts in your heads, folks. If you are an “infidel” as we are referred to, you are a target. If you have “Western” values, you are a target. If you are an American (who is not a Muslim) you are a target. Think about it. Before 9/11, did we openly burn Korans? Did we constantly talk about “Islamaphobia”? Did we have marches or protests against Islam? No, we did not. Yet, we were STILL viciously attacked. So what “incited” and “provoked” the radicals then? What was the argument then? For God’s sake, wake up people. We are playing right into the fear they WANT us to feel. The fear that we cannot speak how we feel, emote how we feel, express our anger that we feel… because if we do, it will just make them “more radicalized”. Bull.
We have heard REPEATEDLY the arguments that the mosque being built near Ground Zero is protected by our Constitution. So is Koran burning. We don’t even have this kind of uproar when the American flag is burned! We are talking ONE so-called preacher at ONE church in ONE town having the “burn the Koran” party. BIG DEAL. Compared to the THOUSANDS who lost their lives on 9/11, and those who continue to suffer because of it even today, his “event” is really no more than a Constitutionally protected protest. Get over it, quit living in fear of “provoking” the radicals and figure out why, as soon as Obama stepped into the Oval Office, Islam seems to have become one of THE biggest issues dividing our great country as we speak.

Posted by: Shoe | September 8, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Hillary isn’t that smart. She said this church has 50 members (very small church) and she said it is for a world display and such. Did she ever think to blame the media for making this tiny little non-issue into the mountain it has become?
Seriously, I could give a rat’s behind what some pastor of a church of 50 does or doesn’t do (as long as it is legal, and this is). The media gave him the world stage to get his message out and they continue to allow him to broadcast his message around the world.
I blame the media.

Posted by: vette girl | September 8, 2010, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Yes. Keep your eye on that post. It gives such contrast to the p.o.s. you posted in defense of Bush.
Posted by: Get_It_Right
LMAO.. again no defense of your orginal post….it must be heck being a left wing radical with an agenda and no facts to back you up.. its hard to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person so I will just let you simmer a while while I get back to work LMAO

Posted by: Yep I said that | September 8, 2010, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

IN 1958 PRESIDENT TRUMAN ESTABLISHED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, IN 2009 PRESIDENT OBAMA CANCELED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. FACT… ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2009 FROM 4 AM TO 7 PM – DAY OF PRAYER FOR THE MUSLIM RELIGION WAS HELD ON CAPITAL HILL BESIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AND 50,000 MUSLIMS ATTENDED. I DON’T REALY CARE WHAT RELIGION ANYONE IS, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEIR FREEDOM, THAT OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY FOUGHT FOR, IS ABOUT TO BE TAKEN AWAY… IT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO BURN THERE BIBLE, WELL IT IS AN INSULT TO TELL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. I WILL SAY A PRAYER FOR YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THAT DIED FOR OUR SINS WILL FORGIVE YOU FOR THE BLASTPHAMIE, AND THE PEOPLES LIVES THAT YOU HAVE DESTOYED WITH YOUR EPMTY PROMISES. SOME OF YOUR ACTIONS PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE REALY UN AMERICAN, SAD BUT WE ARE AMERICANS, AND CHRISTIANS, AND GOD FEARING. OPEN UP YOUR YOUR EYES AMERICANS. WAKE UP!!!FYI MR.CLINTON WHAT ABOUT 911 DID YOU FORGET , MUSLIMS ARE TAUGHT TO HATE ANYONE THAT ARE NOT MUSLIMS FAITH AND CONSIDERED INFADELS . ARE YOU ON THAT BAND WAGON MR. CLINTON .I WILL PRAY FOR YOU ALSO .ALL I AM SAYING IS BOTTOM LINE DON’T TAKE OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AWAY !THANK YOU FOR READING AND GOD BLESS AND SAY YOUR PRAYER .WHO ARE THEY TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE AMERICANS AND OTHER NATIONALITIES .

Posted by: ARNOLD | September 8, 2010, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

“WELL IT IS AN INSULT TO TELL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION.”
We are not a Christian nation.
We are a multi-religion, multi cultural country.
We even formally declared soon after our founding that we were not a Christian nation (treaty of tripoli)

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

IN 1958 PRESIDENT TRUMAN ESTABLISHED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER,”
Truman was not President in 1958.
“IN 2009 PRESIDENT OBAMA CANCELED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. FACT…”
Except that Obama did not cancel the national day of prayer.
This year a federal judge declared the day unconstitutional.
The DOJ is appealing and President Obama issued his proclamation for the day the same as he did in 2009.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

If the obama admin would be so quick to support the American people as they have to jump all over Jones they would not be getting hammered in the polls. I don’t care what Jones does with any book. If it’s his book and he wants to burn it then ok. The obvious difference here is not being pointed out. If he would happen to be in Saudi Arbia, or Iran…… He would already be dead. Therer is no tolerence from the very people who are screaming for tolerence.

Posted by: chance | September 8, 2010, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. DO NOT BURN THE KORAN. BUILD THE MOSQUE IN NYC. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR ALL IS THE ONLY WAY. IT IS THE AMERICAN WAY. HAPPY ROSH HASHANAH!!!

Posted by: USAPAT | September 8, 2010, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

“the corruptocrats taking over Congress and driving us into a meltdown”
Except no right-wing historical revisionist has ever been able to describe how the often derided Democrats of the period actually drove the economy anywhere. In fact right up until the crash the Republicans universally proclaimed the economy was perfectly strong…you would think if the Democrats were endangering the economy right before an election the Republicans would have every incentive to loudly say so.

Posted by: Skip | September 8, 2010, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

“Except no right-wing historical revisionist has ever been able to describe how the often derided Democrats of the period actually drove the economy anywhere.”
I always like to ask which law enacted by the Democrats caused the economic meltdown.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

“The obvious difference here is not being pointed out. If he would happen to be in Saudi Arbia, or Iran….”
So the standard we should be adhering is not as the beacon of liberty and freedom but Saudi Arabia and Iran.
That actually makes sense coming from a right winger.
UnAmerican and worthy of scorn of course but its right in line with the right wing mentality.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

It doesn’t matter what books crazies burn, they have the right to do so even if it undermines the very freedoms they are embracing. -

Posted by: Disenchanted Journo | September 8, 2010, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

“”"If the obama admin would be so quick to support the American people as they have to jump all over Jones they would not be getting hammered in the polls. I don’t care what Jones does with any book. If it’s his book and he wants to burn it then ok. The obvious difference here is not being pointed out. If he would happen to be in Saudi Arbia, or Iran…… He would already be dead. Therer is no tolerence from the very people who are screaming for tolerence.”"”
2 things Chance… 1)why is everyone so quick to blame Obama? He didn’t do this.. and 2) The reason this isn’t right is that our troops, (families and friends) are over there and this could cause them to retaliate and massacre them all! its not about tolerance its about being smart… This man with 50 of his people could start another war.. we shouldn’t turn our backs on that fact.

Posted by: Kristin | September 8, 2010, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

“I always like to ask which law enacted by the Democrats caused the economic meltdown”
I guess it’s safe to assume you never get an answer.

Posted by: Skip | September 8, 2010, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

“I always like to ask which law enacted by the Democrats caused the economic meltdown”
I guess it’s safe to assume you never get an answer. – Skip
(sigh)
OK Skip.
It was the law of unintended consequences, something liberals and progressives don’t understand and continue to ignore.
: o )

Posted by: Noz | September 8, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

this is a humorous issue. People always protest, proclaim, and wring their hands over symbolic gestures and speech (whether it is some leftist burning the flag, a wacko protesting funerals, a deviant putting a cruxifix in his urine, or a Moslem building a victory mosque.) Yes, all offensive. Yes, all in bad taste. Yes, all probably not a “good thing” to do. But legal and Constitutional….but where are the people protesting when certain faiths actually burn, and kill, PEOPLE around the world? Often even thier own daughters for “shaming” them?

Posted by: Ed | September 8, 2010, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Burning the Koran? Is it legal? Yes except in places and situations where it is restricted for fire safety reasons. That’s as it should be.
Is it a good idea? No. The church has the right to protest, even against another religion, but book burning is a particularly tacky method of protest. It is usually associated with those who want to censor, rather than promote free speech.
We should speak out against the excesses of all religions and religious practices, including Islam. But to burn books sends a message that you want to ban Islam itself and silence someone else’s speech when what we should be doing instead is discouraging those practices that don’t conform to religiously neutral laws or universal human rights.

Posted by: Lynnehs | September 8, 2010, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Except no right-wing historical revisionist has ever been able to describe how the often derided Democrats of the period actually drove the economy anywhere. In fact right up until the crash the Republicans universally proclaimed the economy was perfectly strong…you would think if the Democrats were endangering the economy right before an election the Republicans would have every incentive to loudly say so.

Nothing says historical revisionism like an increasing unemployment rate.

Posted by: U of C | September 8, 2010, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

ten even thier own daughters for “shaming” them?
No, there has been improvement. In Afghanistan, they only cut off the noses of women.

Posted by: Better Each Dat | September 8, 2010, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

An American serviceman from my area is currently held hostage the enemy in Afghanistan. I invite the American Taliban pastor from Gainsville to explain to this soldier’s parents why burning the Koran is such a good idea.

Posted by: B.Bear | September 8, 2010, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

“An American serviceman from my area is currently held hostage the enemy in Afghanistan. I invite the American Taliban pastor from Gainsville to explain to this soldier’s parents why burning the Koran is such a good idea.”
If only those Korans hadn’t been burned on 9-10-01 by that Rev.!

Posted by: WTC | September 8, 2010, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

I can’t wait for President Obama to give a speech where he emphasizes that we’re a country founded on free speech. We have the right to burn the American flag, and we have the right to burn any book we want, whether it’s the bible or the Koran.
Then, the next day, he can come out and say that he was not specifically commenting on the wisdom of burning books, and that he won’t comment on it.
First Amendment rights for Muslims but not for Christians, eh, Mr. President?
And he wonders why so many people think he’s a Muslim…

Posted by: DaveinMN | September 8, 2010, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Skip — the law was the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Look it up.

Posted by: DaveinMN | September 8, 2010, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

we have to be RATIONAL. Yes, we have rights to do offensive things. But we also have to understand that our enemies, and, frankly, even our allies or friends (in Europe and in the Middle East and Asia) have different ideas about freedoms (there is no freedom of speech in those countries.) And in many no freedom of religion etc. The point is JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOESNT MEAN YOU SHOULD! How hard is it to understand. Especially when it comes to symbols and speech?! Ok, let the Moslems build a victory mosque. Let the hippies burn a US flag. But ignore them or set up a nice Bratwurst stand outside that mosque! More importantly protest AGAINST countries (both friend and foe) that disallow freedom of speech, religion, and association (whether in europe, asia, or middle east) and MOST IMPORTANTLY protect our RIGHTS in the USA. No more crazy hate crime legislation, anti-free speech laws, government snooping, or national policitical figures and news organizations PROMOTING crazy, fringe figures (this nut in FLA burning korans, the nazis in Skokie, the victory mosque, or deviants protests in SanFrancisco….)

Posted by: Ed | September 8, 2010, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

“Skip — the law was the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Look it up.”
Yes the right wing myth that poor minorities caused the economic meltdown not Wall Street spinning risky subprime loans into profitable derivatives then leveraging themselves into oblivion.
Of course the CRA, a self reporting survey system for banks that were engaged in the practice of redlining.
Redlining is when whole neighborhoods were blocked off as non credit worthy.
These neighborhoods were almost always minority majority.
Apparently the right wing thinks one;s creditworthiness should be attached to one’s race or one’s neighborhood versus the credit worthiness of the individual.
But hey its always been easier for the right wing to blame minorities especially in tough economic times.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

“First Amendment rights for Muslims but not for Christians, eh, Mr. President?”
Nazi book burners are Christians?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Interesting how the right-wingers posting here manage so easily to throw Gen. Patreus, their Iraqi superstar, under the bus for pure political gain. Maybe, the hotel manager, turned pastor, will stone the General next time he passes through Gainsville.

Posted by: B.Bear | September 8, 2010, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Ryan C,
So let me get this straight. The subprime mortgage sector booms, by making loans to people who previously were unqualified to borrow the money, and eventually we find that these people shouldn’t have been loaned the money in the first place… and you completely ignore that? Why didn’t we have a housing collapse before CRA, huh? You think it’s just a coincidence that when we start lending to people with relaxed standards, the housing market collapses?

Posted by: DaveinMN | September 8, 2010, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Ryan,
You have some major reading comprehension problems. Us “right-wingers” aren’t blaming minories. We’re blaming THE GOVERNMENT for mandating that banks make loans to people who could not normally get them, or else risk increased government scrutiny. It’s not the minorities, and it’s not the banks — it’s the idiots in Congress thinking they can sign a law and all the principles of economics will no longer hold.
The race card is getting really old. You do realize that, right? Liberals have used it so much, and in situations where it’s completely inappropriate, and at this point the rest of us don’t even care. There used to be a time when being called a racist was a horrible thing. Now it carries no weight because the left cried wolf a few dozen times too many.

Posted by: DaveinMN | September 8, 2010, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Why is there no outrage from liberals when the American flag or bibles are burned??

Posted by: Sigmonde | September 8, 2010, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

“You have some major reading comprehension problems. Us “right-wingers” aren’t blaming minories.”
Then why cite the CRA law when all it did was make banks report on the practice of redlining?
Or do you have no idea what the CRA was and are just parroting?
“We’re blaming THE GOVERNMENT for mandating that banks make loans to people who could not normally get them”
Then you have no idea what you are talking about.
The government did not tell banks who to lend to or to lower credit standards.
Banks did that themselves eager to do profitable predatory lending after the GOP “reformed” interest rates.
“There used to be a time when being called a racist was a horrible thing.”
Yeah until the right wing embraced being racist.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

“The subprime mortgage sector booms, by making loans to people who previously were unqualified to borrow the money, and eventually we find that these people shouldn’t have been loaned the money in the first place… and you completely ignore that?”
Not at all, predatory sub prime lenders and the derivatives that Wall Street sold based on those risky sub prime mortgages are at the heart of the economic collapse.
“Why didn’t we have a housing collapse before CRA, huh?”
I realize most right wingers run with specious reasoning but this takes the cake!

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

“The subprime mortgage sector booms, by making loans to people who previously were unqualified to borrow the money, and eventually we find that these people shouldn’t have been loaned the money in the first place… and you completely ignore that?”
Not at all, predatory sub prime lenders and the derivatives that Wall Street sold based on those risky sub prime mortgages are at the heart of the economic collapse.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 8, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Billary Hillary needs to shut her stupid mouth. She doesn’t give a tinker’s d*amn about America….just pandering to the enemy. Both her and her amoral husband have a long history of lying to the public. This issue is no exception. Go pound sand Clinton.

Posted by: Rowwdy | September 8, 2010, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Dave,knock back a Leinie and watch the DFL candidate for governor try to put together a coherent sentence-the greatest show on earth.Ski-U-Mah!

Posted by: Nephron | September 8, 2010, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Nephron — go Vikes tomorrow!

Posted by: DaveMN | September 8, 2010, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Dave,knock back a Leinie and watch the DFL candidate for governor try to put together a coherent sentence-the greatest show on earth.Ski-U-Mah!
Posted by: Nephron | Sep 8, 2010 8:44:08 PM
How about that Republican Gov of Arizona! I think a good word is ‘dumbstruck’.

Posted by: David | September 8, 2010, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

No real Christian would participate in such a childish ceremonial display of vindictive spite.

Posted by: Skip | September 8, 2010, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

Go ahead and argue with me.. anyone…. I have about 10 minutes to waste educating you. Then I have to back to real life supported by facts, numbers and ignoring emotional responses to practical matters.
Go ahead……..

Posted by: Mojo Now | September 9, 2010, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Crush the book burning for about 100 different reasons that can’t be argued. Its not freedom of speech or a protest its an idiotic attack against free speech and religion AND the constitution. Thats right I said the CONSTITUTION. AND You Republicans that have once again been dupped by you own party need to snap out of it too, put the beer down and take a math class. The history books and economic models our children study have already made you look like idiots. (Your children WILL remind of this again and agin as they get older)Its a store bought mentality with a store bought leadership.
Put your items back, step out of the checkout lines and run for the hills (or find a library.)
AND Anyone who uses this discussion for political reasons is an idiot. Stop wasting my time and everyone elses and get a life.
If the VERY Confused Terry Jones goes ahead with this and none of you try to stop it I will hold you all personally responsible negligent homicide of our troups our citizens and any progress in the free world.
This is not a political issue or an excuse to bash the only educated admistration we have had in 10 years. Its just another reason to whine about your displaced lazy minded anger.
PLEASE stop wasting everyones time. This isn’t rocket science. SNAP OUT OF IT!!!

Posted by: Mojo Now | September 9, 2010, 1:16 am 1:16 am

This really should be above good Christians. There are better ways to make a point.

Posted by: macon church | September 9, 2010, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

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