Does Secretary Clinton Have What It Takes?

“Well, if things don’t go her way she can refer them to the U.N. Human Rights Commission”
What does birther lawyer Orly Taitz have to do with this?

“What does birther lawyer Orly Taitz have to do with this??? Are you off your meds today?
Posted by: pauldia | Sep 2, 2010 5:27:25 PM”
Since you are a birther I was thinking you were referencing birther lawyer Orly Taitz’s efforts to have her sanctions overrturned by the UN Civil Rights Commission.

“Wrong., referencing our anti-American administration sending Arizona to the U.N. Human rights commission along human traffickers, child prostitution rings, and political hangings and beheading.”
You mean this
AP: “The 29-page report was submitted to the Human Rights Council on Friday but was not published until Monday. Members of the council, which the United States joined only last year, are required to submit reviews of their rights records. The report was the first “Universal Periodic Review” produced by the U.S.”
Its amazing how many pieces of straight forward news are turned into horrifying fictions.
How do right wingers leave the house with that kind of paranoia?
“But, since you mentioned it, do you know the result of the hearing today at Ft Meade requesting Obama’s birth certificate and college records?”
Actually I do.
“The judge ruled Thursday that those records and any other evidence or witnesses pertaining to Obama’s birth are not relevant to the case and will not be admitted”
Phil Cave who is a Jag and went to the proceedings has a summary in his blog.
Not sure how someone who had the intelligence and talent to make it so far in the military would flush his career down the toilet over internet conspiracy theories.

IOW, this UN report is something all member states are doing and is not something the Obama administration did on their own.
Gee why don’t the facts match up with the right wing narrative? AGAIN!

Hillary is someone I like and admire and she served as my Senator for some time. I firmly believe that for 2012 we should unearth a fresh, new and younger candidate for the Republican nominee. Hillary has become a retread, someone who I do not remember when she was was not in the mix. The American people want to see new faces in times of trouble. Hillary has had her day and planning to relax might be a goos idea.

“A sad example of what happens when people embrace stories from an alternate dimension. This “birther” faces more than 3 1/2 years in prison if he’s convicted.”
Seriously, after his defense made the argument that any and all orders are illegal and that the military is ready to mutiny, they are going to throw the book at him.
At first I thought maybe he would get a discharge, maybe a reduction in rank and pension.
But the way his defense has acted, he is in real trouble of serving prison time.
The birthers who convinced of him of this quixotic idiocy sadly will not be facing the consequences he is

“Please do not mis-characterize what the judge said. Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the court, disagreed.
She said “opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president, and it’s up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.”"
Except the only ones saying the judge said that is World Nut Daily whose track record in reporting (forget honest reporting, simple reporting on the events that happened) on eligibility is laughable.
They appear to be using a observer’s tweet of their opinion, not an actual transcript of court proceedings
Twitter shaunbwilson‎: “Judge in Lakin case denies subpoena for President’s birth certificate as it may cause embarrassment to Congress w/sole authority to impeach. ”
Par for the course for birthers who believe rumor and the opinion of cranks vs facts and case law.
WND is playing you for a fool.

Of course Hillary has what it takes. I don’t think that should be our greatest concern in this story. The question is do the Israeli and Palestinian leaders have what it takes to create peace.

The question is do the Israeli and Palestinian leaders have what it takes to create peace.
Posted by: irma | Sep 2, 2010 10:31:43 PM
Good on ya, irma. I agree with you.
Interesting observation at the Economist’s Democracy in America blog: “something happened yesterday that, to my recollection, has never happened before, at least not with such clarity: in the midst of direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, a deadly attack took place, and rather than call off the talks, both sides resolved to keep going. In fact, they both explicitly characterised the attack as an attempt to sabotage the talks, and insisted they wouldn’t be sidetracked.”
Don’t know if that’s a good sign, but we shall see.

IMO: No to Hillary and I believe Col. Lakin! He is one of our American troops and I plan to stand behind him on this matter thank you very much!

At a time of the worst economy in 80 years it’s good to know that Barry has time to waste trying to something, anything to justify possession of a nobel peace prize.
Hope it goes better than the olympics.

“Does Secretary Clinton Have What It Takes?” – ABC News
Probably not, although not due to shortcomings on her part. What fool believes that a different “personality” will make a difference in this ongoing dispute between Israel and the Palestinians? The issues are substantial and not trivial. The solution will take new ideas and also is not possible with Hamas holding so much power.
Regardless, it is not really our problem. I don’t know why we always have to be so involved in this. I’d prefer to sit to the side and let the two sides slog it out, maybe some other countries in the area could try and help.

Because there is nothing left.The next mantra will probably be that the stimulus prevented a space alien invasion, or if we hadn’t passed the stimulus a monster would have eaten Cleveland.Today’s Number-9.6.Brought to you by President Elmo.

The Summer of Recovery is over. Next comes the Fall of Obama.

Why do the Obama haters dance and gloat when data shows new jobs are not being created fast enough to compensate for the loss of public jobs? Why would anyone be delighted to see a neighbor out of work and then perpetuate gloom & doom?
In the real world, “August’s payroll report is reassuring,” said Paul Ashworth, senior U.S. economist for Capital Economics. “While economic growth may have slowed, it is not collapsing.”
And, upward revisions for June and July showed there were 123,000 additional job gains in those months than previously reported. In response US Stock futures turned sharply higher this morning.
Even with this small glimmer of positive news, the private job market is still soft. Treading water is not good enough after such large job losses since 2007.
80% of America’s jobs lost since the beginning of this recession came from Small Businesses. And meanwhile, the help Small Businesses need sits stalled in Congress, a victim of political games. It’s time for our public servants to stop the foot dragging.

Nephron | Sep 3, 2010 10:40:09 AM posted: “Obama and his team don’t have it.”
Don’t have what? We can argue until you are blue about the Stimulus. Doing nothing seems to be the solution proposed by Republicans, and it’s all about politics, not your neighbors who can’t buy groceries.
For example, the Small Business stimulus bill, including tax relief that may help our neighbors, was bogged down with delays and inappropriate Republican amendments. Then the Senate left for vacation, doing nothing.
And with that, I am too. Have a nice holiday Nephron.

“If the Senate is in play to that extent you will be seeing real investigations into these matters.”
Like Dan Burton shooting a pumpkin in his backyard to prove Hillary murdered Vince Foster?
Gee where did Burton get a crazy idea like that?
Oh yeah Floyd Brown, right wing dirty trickster in the mold of Lee Atwater.
Who pushes the Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories the most?
World Nut Daily.
What is World Net Daily part of?
Western Center of Journalism.
Who runs the Western Center of Journalism?
Joseph Farah and Floyd Brown.
The right wing: same crazy nonsense, different decade.

This would be a great fantastic weekend for NoBo to show off his long form Birth Certificate with the cutsie baby footsie print on it.”
Why go with a novelty when we can all view an official document from the state of Hawaii on Obama;s campaign website?
Or you can always go to a the fact checking sites that have pictures as well?
Or you can act like soon to no longer be Lt. Col Lakin and swallow birther lies and flush your career down the toilet.

“You can get one of those and not actually be born in the State that issued it.”
And it would state the place of birth as wherever the baby was born.
On Obama’s it says Honolulu.
“Do some homework and you might learn a thing or two.”
I would suggest the same.
Obama Conspiracy Theories would be a good place to start.

“That is the only birth certificate Hawaii issues to everyone since it went to all electronic records.” – Ryan C.
That’s nice.
“On Obama’s it says Honolulu.” – Ryan C
Well that’s the best news I’ve heard in a long while on this issue. That means if Obama was born in Honolulu then there’s a hospital with his long form Birth Certificate on record. Let’s see it.
Now if he wasn’t born in Honolulu then it makes sense that that’s the default city someone puts on the form for a baby born outside of the US when the mother comes home and requests a United States Birth Certificate. It is also feasible that a kind heart soul helped out a young American mother bringing her baby back to the USA.
Personally, I think this birther stuff is all a waste-o-time. If we ever got a long form from NoBo, at this point you’d logically could consider it a forgery. We aren’t ever going to really know if he was born in the USA.

“Now if he wasn’t born in Honolulu then it makes sense that that’s the default city someone puts on the form for a baby born outside of the US when the mother comes home and requests a United States Birth Certificate”
Yet it makes total sense if you’re a birther.
In the real world, if Obama had been born in another city, that city would be listed.
BTW, the law you cite about people born out of state of Hawaii being able to get a COLB from Hawaii (which would not suddenly make Hawaii their location of birth)did not exist until 1982.
“If we ever got a long form from NoBo, at this point you’d logically could consider it a forgery.”
Perfect birth logic.
Put out a rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
When faced with Obama posting his birth certificate, call it a fraud.
Now even a long form that has yet to be produced is suspect!
Which brings me to the real point of birthers, their problem with Obama is his skin color, not his paperwork.

No wonder we ended up in iraq chasing ficticious WMDs if the right wing really thinks like that.”
Oh how could I forget the birther retired Air Force general & FoxNews contributor who sided with Lakin claimed that Russians secretly transported all the WMDs out of Iraq!
Maybe bitherism is just a symptom of the disease?

“I read what you posted so the Hospital doesn’t have the long form but the local government in Hawaii does. That’s OK with me. Let’s see it”
Why is the official Hawaiian birth certificate that has been posted on line and inspected by two different fact check organizations and vouched for by the Hawaiian head of records somehow deficient?

“So the state should not have a law regarding its registry of births?” – Ryan C
How silly you are Ryan. Government is always behind when it comes to something new such as Airline Travel. So before Hawaii made it’s law, there were people who traveled and had babies outside of the US. These people entered back to their home states and wanted documentation for their kids. Only a dolt would think that some sort of an accommodation wasn’t made.
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about and are desperate to stick to the official talking points regarding the birth certificate. Perhaps you have mucked around a little on line and saw some logic regarding the birther’s stance and are afraid to look deeper.

Sometimes I feel sorry for you Ryan, as you have been duped and aren’t aware enough to see it yet. But this time, nah. I didn’t claim willy nilly. As to facts, the spin you hurl rarely has any facts left in it.
Now back to the silly birther thing that bothers you so much.
The story Ryan C tells: “Obama’s pregnant mother flew to Kenya to have him and knowing that someday he would be President arranged for a birth certificate from Hawaii.”
Stanley Obama wasn’t smart enough to think that far ahead. A more likely scenario might have been she had Barry in Kenya and on the way home realized that her son would be much better off as an American so she went through the process to get him registered in the USA as a citizen.
Now to ease your mind, I am not purporting that this is what happened, only that it was a possibility which has fermented due to NoBo’s unwillingness to show his long Form Birth Certificate.