Sep 2, 2010 3:26pm

Justice Department Sues Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio

ABC News’ Devin Dwyer reports: The U.S. Justice Department sued Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio today for allegedly refusing to cooperate with a federal investigation into accusations the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office discriminates against Hispanics. The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix is the latest attempt by the Department to obtain thousands of documents, including arrest records from January 2008, and unfettered access to county jails and interviews with inmates and employees. The department first made the request more than one year ago and had set a deadline of Aug. 17 for Arpaio to comply.  However, attorneys for Arpaio have complained the request was unfairly broad and the allegations unclear. Both sides met in Washington last week to try to resolve the impasse, and the Justice Department set a new deadline of Sept. 10.  But Arpaio has remained defiant. “They have hundreds of thousands of reports, hundreds of thousands,” Arpaio said this morning at a news conference in Phoenix. “They’re so broad, we’re trying to narrow it down. We’re trying to work with them.” Arpaio, the man who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff,” is known for carrying out bold immigration sweeps across Maricopa County, Arizona, which includes Tucson, cracking down on minor traffic offenders and then arresting suspected illegal immigrants. While the lawsuit does not offer specific allegations for the government’s probe, state agencies that receive federal funds – including the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office – are required to cooperate with federal discrimination inquiries under Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.  ”The actions of the sheriff’s office are unprecedented,” said Thomas E. Perez, assistant attorney general for the civil rights division, referring to the protracted effort to secure Arpaio’s cooperation. “It is unfortunate that the department was forced to resort to litigation to gain access to public documents and facilities.” If the Sheriff’s Office is deemed to have engaged in discriminatory behavior it could risk losing federal grants, estimated at $16.5 million, according to the lawsuit. “If DOJ seeks to dictate every deadline and maintain the position that it, in its sole discretion, can determine what it wants and when, without any reasonable limitations on scope and without any input from MCSO [Maricopa County Sheriff's Office], what DOJ truly seeks is compelled or coerced compliance,” wrote Arpaio attorney Robert Driscoll in a letter Friday to Judy Preston, acting chief of the DOJ Special Litigation Section. “MCSO is committed to providing DOJ with a reasonable amount of information and documents based upon which DOJ ca investigate allegations of national origin discrimination,” he wrote. The Sheriff’s Office is also facing a separate, ongoing federal grand jury investigation in Arizona examining allegations of corruption and mismanagement.   UPDATE:  Sheriff Arpaio issued a statement this afternoon accusing the Obama administration of making Arizona "Washington's new whipping boy." "Now it's time to take the gloves off," he said. "As for today's lawsuit against my office: These people in Washington met with my attorneys only a few days ago. And in that meeting, Washington got our cooperation; they admitted they already have thousands of pages of the requested documents; and they were given access to interview my staff and get into my jails. They smiled in our faces and then stabbed us in the back with this lawsuit. The Obama administration intended to sue us all along, no matter what we did to try to avert it." -Devin Dwyer

User Comments

America’s toughest sheriff takes on America’s weakest president.

Posted by: Dontget818 | September 2, 2010, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

What Goes Around Comes Around
Its about time…
Waiting to watch this “tough” xenophobic sheriff do the chain-gang walk :))

Posted by: Karma | September 2, 2010, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Tell em to eat Cow Droppings Joe.
Holder is a wimp, no worries.

Posted by: Noz | September 2, 2010, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

We need more like this sheriff. DOJ looks like a fool again.

Posted by: JT | September 2, 2010, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Dontget818,
A great on target post. I especially liked the small “p” in president. I’d bet you would not see a post saying President George W. Bush was weak on American pride and keeping her safe. God Bless you.

Posted by: ZMan | September 2, 2010, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

To Justice for all, no one is above the Law!
This so called “Toughest Sheriff”, really just likes to yell at Women on Local T,V., treat Hispanic Immigrants as less than “Human” and to be photographed with Nazi’s.
HIs Deportaions of Immigrants has left Arizona Economically Devastated, we now have approx: 30% less hard working Tax Paying Population, yet the same size Government?
In Short Arpio has Crashed our State, and he now has about 1200 excess Deputies, based on our now smaller State!
Hey look at home values and forclosures since the Deportations began.
Every one should thank Arpio for their now lesser Home Values.
To : Good and Brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: David Nichols | September 2, 2010, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

It’s easy for Arpaio to act like an idiot, when the consequences don’t affect his pocketbook ! But then again hate trumps common sense.

Posted by: svivar9087 | September 2, 2010, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Really? Lets send a strong message in November

Posted by: kaysgold | September 2, 2010, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

“Every one should thank Arpio for their now lesser Home Values.”
I just found the stupidest thing written on the Internet today. Thanks.

Posted by: Aaron | September 2, 2010, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Who gets to sue the Federal government for refusing to enforce their own laws? The family of the Arizona rancher shot dead on his own property by an illegal immigrant drug runner? The Obama administration is too busy attacking Americans while defending our enemies. What has this country come to?

Posted by: liberal_crybaby | September 2, 2010, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

Thank you Sheriff for your service. They aren’t called “aliens or immigrants without passports”. They are called ILLEGAL immigrants for a reason. Does the DOJ actually know it’s against the law to be in America without proper entry? Thank you DOJ for spending my tax dollars foolishly….again or still…..come on November!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kaysgold | September 2, 2010, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

tinas…”you americans” yep thats right …you americans who give you our tax dollars through our earnings and probably bailed what ever governmanmt rules you out or sent troops to save you. go joe and come on november. in my city alone average public employee compensation is 118,000 per year while the median income is less than 45,000. the tide is going to change to something you really can beleive in.

Posted by: catman | September 2, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Read the story in the Washington Times about how Obama promises not to go after mayors and police chiefs of sanctuary cities. Yet, they’ll spend tax payer money punishing Arizona for enforcing federal immigration laws codified into their own state law. Maybe this guy deserves what is coming to him but I’m sick of the double standard that Democrats are perpetrating here.

Posted by: Shawn | September 2, 2010, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Can we get Joe Arpaio to run for President in 2012? He has backbone and is committed to protect all US Citizens. He would be the perfect replacement for the spineless Obama and his spineless administration! ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL. Enforce the laws of this country!

Posted by: Mainhunter | September 2, 2010, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

“Arpaio, the man who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff,” is known for carrying out bold immigration sweeps across Maricopa County, Arizona, which includes Tucson, cracking down on minor traffic offenders and then arresting suspected illegal immigrants.”
Tucson is not in Maricopa County. Perhaps you mean Phoenix?

Posted by: cc | September 2, 2010, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Hey…where can I contribute to Sheriff Joe’s legal fund??? The DOJ is off the mark again…suing a guy who’s doing his job!!! Wonder who’s really running the DOJ..illegal gangs is my best guess. November can’t come soon enough.

Posted by: Jane | September 2, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Let’s take a look at this. Arpaio protects Maricopa County in Arizona, a state that borders Mexico; his county includes the city of Phoenix. Is it so difficult for some people to believe that if Arpaio detains individuals trespassing or committing crimes, that those detained would likely be illegals from Mexico, or other central or South American countries? And just what race of people would most likely be trespassing into this country from those countries? Whites? No. Blacks? No. Asians? No. Hispanics? BINGO!!!!

Posted by: NTX | September 2, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Hey…where can I contribute to Sheriff Joe’s legal fund??? The DOJ is off the mark again…suing a guy who’s doing his job!!! Wonder who’s really running the DOJ..illegal gangs is my best guess. November can’t come soon enough.

Posted by: Jane | September 2, 2010, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Feds were left with no choice, had to sue him. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has not been cooperating as he claims today. Has actually done multiple press releases saying he wouldn’t cooperate. He sure has never cooperated with Maricopa County Board of Supervisers very well.
This Fed investigation was started June, 2008 by President Bush. Has continued on since, now todays law suit is announced.
NOTE – he is also being investigated by state of Arizona – for abuse of power
Sheriff Joe Arpaio has many possible serious issues that exist with his sheriff office in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe Araio is/has been quite savvy about using news media to politicize his voter elected position. His crime statitics reveal crime rate have increased 58% in his jurisction, while cities in his county, under city police departments have decreased 18-30%. Crime statitics state of Arizona decresed as well.
Conservative Think Tank – Goldwater Institute – did two very damaging/derogatory investigations on him. Real crimes are not pursued by him, while illegal immigration is per Goldwater Institue and East Valley Tribune reprts. They state if you are robbed, raped, murdered, don’t expect an investigation by his office. Investigation of his stats were sdhocking. Revealed possibly illegal doctoring of way his office report statistics and close cases. East Valley Tribune reports recived Pulitzer Prize for their multiple lengthy investigative reports. Reports were very damaging. Many abuses reported. Many possible illegal arrests of anyone, not just Hispanics. Includes 4 judges, mayoers of cities in his county, superintendent of schools, county board of supervisoers, businesses, county business manager, copunty public employees, private citizens who had done nothing except publicly criticize him and have some positioin in county leadership, etc. Two judges made as part of court decisions – former Maricopa County Attorney and Sheriff Joe Arpaio abused power of their office.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio has 9,000 inmates in his jails, but has had 2100+ law suite. Cities of Los Angeles, Chicago, ? combined have 60,000+ in their jails. Only 45 law suits have been filed againmst all of these cities combined together. Sheriff Joe Arapaio has 18% of their jail population, but get sued 50+ times more.
If Sheriff Joe Arpaio is innocent and good as he claims – All he has to do is cooperate. He should come through investigation just fine. He is not above the law.
His office receives multiple Federal money grants, and per law must cooperate with Federal investigations/inspections. It has been over two years since investigation started. Don’t blame Feds, multiple complaints have been lodged, Feds are required to act/investigate per the US law.
Please everyone try view the real facts. Possible serious issues may exist.

Posted by: Sharon | September 2, 2010, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

Jane – I’m with you. I-10 is one of the main drug and human smuggling corridors in this country, and that dangerous interstate passes way too close to where I live. GO! GO! ARPAIO!

Posted by: NTX | September 2, 2010, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Hey tinas,
“You Americans are something else. But the last shall come first, and the first shall come last. The tables are beginning to turn and once you’ve realized that the very statement that comes out of the Bible that you cherish so dearly is predicting your future, you’re scared…”
Nice try with the “You Americans” start to your post. You just dropped your pants. Maybe you can now apply for a job at The White House and help serve the the kobe beef. Remember, knives on the right, forks on the left.

Posted by: ZMan | September 2, 2010, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

A human smuggler enviromental whacko just killed innocent people… And Obama wants to go after a sheriff who dares to enforce the law… I am speechless!

Posted by: CBA | September 2, 2010, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

to Sharon…This guy may deserve what’s coming to him. The problem is the double standard by which this DOJ chooses to selectively enforce the law. Just like the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case. This DOJ has an agenda and I question its sincerity.

Posted by: Shawn | September 2, 2010, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

The rancher murdered by the illegal is the fault of the Federal government. All the other murders in Maricopa County are the fault of Joe, All the deaths on state and interstate highways via DUI’s are the Governors fault. I could list all the Mayors of the cities that failed to stop murders and other violent crimes. I guess all the cops are to busy making money through traffic fines to stop the murders.

Posted by: nuster | September 2, 2010, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Hey Sharon, Are you an ILLEGAL immigrant? In your post you mentioned something about being above the law? Did you mean the legal law or the ILLEGAL law? Seems like the Feds live above the law (or under it).

Posted by: Mainhunter | September 2, 2010, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Great post at 4:35 “Sharon”…but don’t expect the “red neck choir” you are trying to “educate” to get it. It wasn’t in “emotional, shallow, soundbite” form. i.e. the type of “pablum” they are used to getting served.

Posted by: CND FOX | September 2, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Everyone here is missing the point. The US is stolen. None of us are in any position to keep anyone out. What goes around certainly comes back around.

Posted by: Poquito Azúcar | September 2, 2010, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Maybe the People should turn around and throw Eric Holder into prison in Maricopa County.

Posted by: Rob | September 2, 2010, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Tucson is in Pima County, not Maricopa County. Phoenix is in Maricopa County

Posted by: JohnL | September 2, 2010, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

“Justice Department Sues Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio” -ABC News
Wow! This is like a Political Gift from God.
Could anyone ask for more?
Just when you thought that the White House might stop sticking sharp objects into the eye of the American people, Holder comes up with this. This administration is the gift that keeps giving. The political fallout from this bonehead move could be the reason the Dems do the unthinkable and lose the Senate. Dave Axelrod must be having a kitten. The screaming and gnashing of teeth at the White House must be really special tonight. If only Fox News had cameras there so that America could share in the Drama.
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Ha ha ha ha ha!

Posted by: Noz | September 2, 2010, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Sharon, bless your heart. Yours is the voice of reason (And fact) among these comments.

Posted by: D. | September 2, 2010, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Defiant is one thing, Fascist is another, this Sheriff makes up his own rules and laws, he feels he is a force unto himself independent of the laws of our land and he has used his deputies as a private police force to intimidate, threaten and quiet his critics. Sheriff Joe needs to see his prison from the inside. I would welcome a picture of him in his pink jumpsuit, eating the dog food he so enjoys giving his prisoners.

Posted by: JR | September 2, 2010, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

“America’s toughtest sheriff” is a bombastic ego-driven bully who’s forgotten that he is NOT above the law nor is he Arizona’s sheriff. What he’s protesting and refusing to comply with is exactly what he tried to bully out of the rest of the county government offices so he could persecute and, with the help of his cohort former County Attorney Andrew Thomas, prosecute anyone who gainsayed them. I don’t live in Maricopa County but I DO live in the neighboring county so I’m affected by what happens in Maricopa.

Posted by: prd | September 2, 2010, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

“Defiant is one thing, Fascist is another, this Sheriff makes up his own rules and laws, he feels he is a force unto himself independent of the laws of our land and he has used his deputies as a private police force to intimidate, threaten and quiet his critics.”
Right wingers are ok with that.
The only reason that would be an issue with them is if he were a Democrat.
Then the right wing would rush to the defense of liberty!

Posted by: Ryan C | September 2, 2010, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

What does it take to have a President that, actually cares about the American people? Illegals, and law breakers are taking over this country. This Sheriff was just doing his job, which was rounding up illegals. Now he’s being sued for it. Between Clinton, Bush, and now Obama, our country as we knew it, is gone.

Posted by: lucy | September 2, 2010, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

I kinda like sheriff joe (making inmates wear pink undies & sleep in tents) but in light of Jan Brewers ties to for profit private prisons does anyone know is Sheriff Joe has similar ties?

Posted by: stephen | September 2, 2010, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

“I kinda like sheriff joe (making inmates wear pink undies & sleep in tents) but in light of Jan Brewers ties to for profit private prisons does anyone know is Sheriff Joe has similar ties?”
I don’t he does but I could be wrong. I am not a fan.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 2, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Damn fast posting should have read
“I don’t think he does but I could be wrong. I am not a fan.”

Posted by: Ryan C | September 2, 2010, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Only in America. Joe is someone who is actually getting it right, so the Politically Correct want him stopped.
I think Americans need to make him the next President.

Posted by: John Barr | September 2, 2010, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Oh this is perfect. First Obama and Holder won’t prosecute the two black men standing in front of a Philadelphia voting place during the 2008 presidential election carrying some sort of stick and yelling racial slurs at the white people trying to vote. Then Obama and Holder decide to sue Arizona because they are protecting their own borders since the US Federal government won’t do their job. Now they are going after a sheriff who protects the American citizens since Obama and Holder would rather protect those that aren’t American citizens.

Posted by: whathappened08 | September 2, 2010, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

This sheriff was being probed by Bush and people are screaming at Obama for being too liberal. What is wrong with people using that Obama is wrong for an argument? This sheriff only had to cooperate, now his county is in trouble. More like America’s Dumbest Sheriff.

Posted by: THE TRUTH | September 2, 2010, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

America is a country of laws, and the civil act of 1964 is just one the laws of the land to which no over zealous sheriff can trend on. The law must take its course if he violated the act laid by congress.

Posted by: Abraham Borbor | September 2, 2010, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Honorable Sheriff Joe, BE AS STRONG AS YOU COULD BE AND PRAY TO GOD AS YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, BUT PROTECT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OF ARIZONA. DON’T GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT. WE HAVE YOUR BACK. IF YOU FALL, SO DOES THE NATION.
**YOU ONLY NEED TO HOLD OUT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS. BY THEN, THE TABLES WILL BE TURNED**
**SINCE THE FEDS ARE SUING THE SHERIFF, THEY HAVE TO BE “SPECIFIC” ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING AND WHAT DAMAGES THE SHERIFF DID TO INCUR A LOSS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS, IF ANY**
**THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WERE GIVEN NUMEROUS REQUESTS TO PUT 3000 TROOPS ON THE AZ BORDER AND RESPONDED WITH JUST SOME TACKY SIGNS AND 30 TROOPS. AND THEY GO AROUND ASKING TEXAS IF THEY NEEDED TROOPS. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PLAYING POLITICS WITH OUR BORDER AND NATIONAL SECURITY.
**SHERIFF JOE WILL HAVE HIS DAY IN COURT, AND IN THE END, WILL BE EXONERATED OF ANY WRONG DOING. AND AT THAT TIME, HE SHOULD COUNTERSUE THE FEDS FOR FRIVILOUS LITIGATION, SINCE THE SUIT AGAINST HIM WAS MOST LIKELY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.**

Posted by: OBAMA DESPERATE | September 2, 2010, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

“The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix is the latest attempt by the Department to obtain thousands of documents, including arrest records from January 2008, and unfettered access to county jails and interviews with inmates and employees.”
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That’s called a fishing expedition. If there is something specific you want, then say so. Instead, ask for everything and then wonder why you don’t get cooperation? oBama once again shows anti-American side.

Posted by: gk | September 2, 2010, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

“This sheriff was being probed by Bush and people are screaming at Obama for being too liberal.”
Being probed and sued are two different matters. Obama administration has an agenda and is intimidating anyone who disagrees with his immigration agenda.

Posted by: Sigmonde | September 2, 2010, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

First of all, to Jane, Hispanic or Latino is not a race… It is an ethnicity… According to the CIA factbook, the racial mix in Mexico includes whites, (about 9%), blacks (1%), Asians (a handful) and the prevalent mestizos and amerindians (about 90%)- the folks most Americans who haven’t traveled outside our borders identify as Hispanic or Latino, who are the mix of European and native American Indian (yes, North, Central or South American Indians or Amerindians share basically the same DNA)… If you travel slightly farther South, Costa Ricans are considered to have 90% whites/white mestizo. Go even farther South and you’ll find that Argentinians are 97% White (Spanish and Italian)…

Posted by: Paul Einhorn | September 2, 2010, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

Seems that in the “era of oBama” and the DEMOCRAT majority, everyone must produce their records… expect for oBama, of course.

Posted by: gk | September 2, 2010, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

A strong sheriff being harassed by a weak president.

Posted by: bo diddly | September 2, 2010, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

America is a country of laws, and the civil act of 1964 is just one the laws of the land to which no over zealous sheriff can trend on. The law must take its course if he violated the act laid by congress.
LOL, this whole debate is amazing to say the least. Somehow ILLEGAL ALIENS, these people whose mere existance in our country is AGAINST THE LAW, have granted more status in the eyes of the left than the people charged under the LAW with protecting this country’s citizens and enforcing the LAW. The left has been after this sheriff for years! How dare he actually do his job!
And DUH, the vast majority of those coming over the Mexican border are not Eastern Europeans or Japanese. They ARE, in FACT, Mexicans!

Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2010, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

What an inept administration. They prove it time and time again.

Posted by: Ed | September 2, 2010, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

Some of the comments are baffling. For example, undocumented (or illegal)immigration isn’t on the rise in the United States, and both violence and crime on the U.S. side of the border with Mexico are on the decline.
Per the Washington Post: “A deep recession and tougher border enforcement have led to a sharp decline in the number of immigrants entering the United States illegally in the past five years, contributing to the first significant reversal in the growth of their numbers in two decades, according to a new report by the Pew Hispanic Center. ”
I’m wondering if the GOP plan is to keep the recession going– push toward a double dip, worsen the economy in any way possible– in order to stop undocumented immigration all together. “Forget job creation, folks, we have to get rid of these immigrants. Forget civil liberties and the rule of law, too, because we have to support Arpaio, the pink panties dude. He talks tough and has that cowboy swagger and penchant for theatrics we find so appealin’”
Wouldn’t surprise me all that much.
Meanwhile, I’m not into the all-powerful barron schtick.

Posted by: true blue | September 2, 2010, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

It is pretty simple. If he has done what he is being investigated for…then he needs to be removed.What we need less of in this country is defiant, good old boy , wild west shoot ‘em up types. Lets’s see. Being defiant. Playing the victim. What’s next, just up and quitting? Did he read Sarah Palin’s “playbook”? LOL…LOL

Posted by: CND FOX | September 2, 2010, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

First of all Joe really sucks. The Obama staff hasn’t been the only one trying to correct Joe’s wrong, but so has the Bush era although you crazy right wings won’t accept it because all you see is Obama hate. Joe is wrong. If you have a bigger agency that has less complaints than Joe’s agency, there is a problem. But no one will see it because of course, anything they can blame on this presidency, they will. This is a country of stupidity. You guys still will believe Obama is a Muslim, that he is not a real citizen, etc. You probably also believe aliens visit your town and they are trying to get you. The realy aliens is Joe….The common sense of Americans simply is not there.

Posted by: Diana | September 2, 2010, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

The only reason that would be an issue with them is if he were a Democrat.
Then the right wing would rush to the defense of liberty!
LOL, Ryan C you should apply for Gibbs job!
Lets just look at the track record of this administration & its “Justice” Dept.
Shooting their mouth off about the ‘potential’ of raciall profiling with AZ law, then not even mentioning that in their lawsuit. Yet, it was this president who said the police acted stupidly in the Cambridge case at the same time he admitted he did not know all the facts!
They do nothing about “Santuary Cities” – no suits filed there for not following the current LAW!
They claim its up to the fed. gov’t to set and enforce immigration policythen appoint a man to be the director of ICE who refused to follow the LAW of the land in regards to immigration enforcement, and even now says he wont follow the law.
Holder can’t even get the cases moving on the terrorists trials or even give the public a straight answer on when these things will take place. They have completely dropped the ball on the case of the guy who attacked the USS Cole. Yet we have the time and resources to sue AZ and this sheriff.
Yeah, real proper priorities. These people are totaly clueless! They are on the opposite side of the American people on just about every single issue. It seems like they take pride and go out of their way to do it!
We will see just how much further this insanity goes after the Nov. elections. Will Obama wake up & pull a Clinton turn to the center, or is he happy being a one-termer. Time will tell!

Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2010, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Joe is the old man standing in front of the Redcoats saying no more, no further. We the people, all of the people must stand with him if he the Federal Government tries to strong arm him. If we allow the Government to harass and disarm our Sheriffs then we are no longer free in any sense. This is the line in the sand as far as I can see. If they can take down a Sheriff for doing his job well then they can do anything they want because the Sheriff is our strongest Authority against the Fed. Put the call out Joe and I will come and we will stand until the colors fade.

Posted by: Fred Cummins | September 2, 2010, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

true blue,
As far as job creation goes, Obama has gone out of his way to ensure that does not happen anytime soon. Rather than listening to the left mouthpieces like Olberman, Maddow and morons like Joe Klein, you should try actually listening, actually listening to the people who are running buisnesses, making payroll, reporting to stock holders, and determining wether real jobs are created or eliminated.
That insane concept of healthcare is an avalanche just waiting to unleash itself on the American economy and buisnesses are very hesitant about just what the actual implementation is going to do to them.
This group of fools that Obama has surrounded himself with have never had to do that. Obama has no idea what he is doing or what to do now. Of course this may be his whole plan anyway, make the entire country dependent on the federal gov’t for our next meal.

Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2010, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Posted by: Mike_C |
Puh-lease. Obama is in the center. You’re obviously so far to the right you can’t see or assess clearly.
Its kinda telling that you mention the record of the Justice Department, don’t go into that at all, rather you just say let’s look at it and don’t. Instead you go off track and bring up another case that involves race– a case that involves a cop arresting someone the President knows while that someone was in his own house. You also clip the President’s statement into a convenient sound bite. What the president actually said is this: “I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry. (agreed) Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.(agreed) And number three — what I think we know separate and apart from this incident — is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that’s just a fact. (agreed)”
Undocumented immigration is on the decline, Mike C. On the decline. And deportation of illegal immigrants has increased– that’s right, increased– under the Obama administration.

Posted by: true blue | September 2, 2010, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

LMAO!!! HAHA…BIGOT!!!

Posted by: Kayla71482 | September 2, 2010, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

“As far as job creation goes, Obama has gone out of his way to ensure that does not happen anytime soon.”
You think the President is the one who has gone out of his way to ensure that doesn’t happen???? Ha! Funny now they’re working on a payroll tax holiday — and by they I mean the admin– while the GOP and the tea party are attending rallies about Christianity and the flag and restoring the honor they destroyed in the first place, and red states are applying for those health care subsidies, and elected Republicans are busy running around being stimulus hypocrites, etc. etc. The entire tea party/conservative/confederate movement is built on scaring and lying to the choir, and the choir spreading that fear and those lies. It’s been wildly successful in this country.

Posted by: true blue | September 2, 2010, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

“Rather than listening to the left mouthpieces like Olberman, Maddow and morons like Joe Klein, you should try actually listening, actually listening to the people who are running buisnesses, making payroll, reporting to stock holders, and determining wether real jobs are created or eliminated.”
You, too. (Not a fan of Olbermann, btw, or Joe Klein, but one should read outside their own comfort zone and collect information– otherwise you risk becoming nothing more than an ideologue repeating Koch and Murdoch talking points). I suggest reading and listening to it all, and weighing it all, and looking up the facts and figuring out who is right and has a good track record outside of your preferred ideological bubble.
So, anyway, businesses– what are they saying? For one, they need customers. “The missing piece of hiring puzzle? Customers”; for another they’re experiencing cash flow problems (see Discover Financial Services survey for August “53 percent of small business owners are experiencing cash flow issues, up from 47 percent in July; 43 percent said they are not”).
How do CEO’s assure themselves more money? Apparently they fire a lot of people. See “Alternative Jobs Report: Want a Raise? Fire Someone”, Moneywatch, or go straight to CEO PAY and the GREAT RECESSION, the 17th annual executive compensation survey, or the IPS op-ed “The CEOs who cut the most jobs are also the ones who make the most money. How can we stop excessive CEO pay before it leads to bad behavior?”

Posted by: true blue | September 2, 2010, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

“They are on the opposite side of the American people on just about every single issue.”
So what do you do when a growing number of Americans, as exemplified by the GOP-tea party-conservative-Fox viewer- Koch brothers-and wishy washy independent- coalition are on the opposite side of American ideals, the Constitution, civil rights, human rights, honor, common sense, science, education, the facts and justice?
They are elected to do the right thing in keeping with their campaigns and what they were elected to do. If they are booted out of office, so be it. But I don’t think it is Obama or the progressive Democrats who will be judged by history harshly. Unfortunately, I think Obama’s fate is linked with the economy the Republicans tanked and show very little interest in fixing (with a couple of exceptions as I do think there are a handful of earnest Republicans, but they’re not extreme or stupid enough to be in vogue right now.)

Posted by: true blue | September 2, 2010, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

For those on the fence about Arpaio and whether his tactics need investigation, there’s a good story related to him in the July-August issue of Mother Jones called Hazing Arizona.

Posted by: Cara | September 2, 2010, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

true blue
LOL, you Ryan C under a new name?
It is amazing that lefties like you think no one like Barney Frank or Chriss Dodd or a Larry Summers had anything at all to do with things that led up to the collapse.
Only simpleton lefties believe that BS. Simpleton that are olny repeating talking points that you have spent the last 3 posts making
you do understand what a CEO’s job is dont you. You may not like it, but their responisibilty is not to make your lefty world all roses. They are charged with getting the investors the biggest return on their investments. That is why when the economy is good your 401K and other investments grow they way they do!
Yes, when times are tough, companies cut jobs. Just like they will when faced with more and more impact on the bottom line from over regulation and increases from that stupid healthcare law.
Obviously it is harder now for buisnesses to get loans, in case you missed it, we just spent the past few years with policies that came along and told banks they needed to lend to people who NEVER should have been approved. Now they are looking at it in even tougher terms. Many small buisnesses have now had it tough for 2 years, their balance sheets are making it harder for them to qualify.
By the way, I do watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN and even ABC, CBS & NBC from time to time. Olbermann may be the biggest goof ever to be given a microphone. He was playing suck face a few weeks ago with Michael Moore who thinks the kid who leaked all the secret documents to wikileaks is a hero. I hope Moore sleeps well if any of that stuff leads to people in the field whose names are in those documents get killed. Since the left seems to love to boycott everyone and everything they dont agree with, I hope people boycott Moore’s movies for his insane comments and support of this act.

Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2010, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

true blue:”Puh-lease. Obama is in the center. You’re obviously so far to the right you can’t see or assess clearly.”
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oBama in the center? Snort! Only if you are on the communist side of the fence.

Posted by: gk | September 2, 2010, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

If Arapio has nothing to hide he will cooperate on this issue. The fear on Arapio and the Arizona Attorneys’ representing him are affraid of what will be found in those records. Ultimately it will come down to the documentation and in the end Arapio will be found to be a disgrace to the Badge that he swore to uphold. I knew another Sheriff of another county in another state years ago. I had to fight as a female teenager to get onto the Search and Rescue Unit. He had no women deputies in the field they only were in the offices. Two years later after I had moved the same Sheriff was indicted and convicted for theft from the department and the property room. He ended up doing time in prison. If Arapio is not careful he will be on the other side of the bars in the same pink jump suit he makes the prisoners in his jail wear. He is not above the law.

Posted by: K.McClure | September 2, 2010, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Note to John Barr: And then what else will he cover up? Anyone who refuses to show his records is not a good candidate for anything not even the dog catcher. He knows he has broken or bent some rules and he is afraid. People know that he incarcerated legal Mexican citizens and he refused to cooperate for that purpose. He should be put in jail just like the rest of the lawbreakers he says he has arrested. The FbIhas the final word and no one can refuse them and why would he unless he has something to hide. He has been a one man lawman like the old west but this is not the old west anymore. We have laws which he swore to uphold and therefore needs to comply with the requests of the FbI. If each person did what they wanted regardless, what a crazy world we would have which I sometimes think we are headed. If there is no wrongdoing, he has nothing to wrorry about.

Posted by: talmag | September 2, 2010, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

He is a crooked as the Arizona governor who put prop. 1070 into effect. Her campaign manager is one of the many friends she has who own private jails and most of the immigrants who have been picked up… guess where they are going? He helped her write this bill as it will be financially beneficial to him and probably to her. She claims that the immigrants are not going to the privately owned jails but she lies. Records prove otherwise. It really angers me that these people are getting away with such measures and others are falling in line with them hook line and sinker. People are so gullible..as soon as someone says something against the government everyone gets on board. They are the very people you go to when we have hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, bombings, laws, education, transportation, etc. and yet you let some morons tell you that government is bad. Government is necessary for order and to keep things going and without some form of government…there would be chaos.

Posted by: talmag | September 3, 2010, 12:03 am 12:03 am

I live in Maricopa County and have voted for Joe many times. I will again. A lot of you say he is crooked. Where are your facts? The media? He has a lot of support out here because he is trying to go after illegal immigrants and he is tough on criminals. Still has a chain gang and makes them wear pink. Attorney General Holder is suing him because he wants to put him out of business. Strange how holder ended the Black Panthers investigation but sues Joe.

Posted by: Steve From AZ | September 3, 2010, 12:13 am 12:13 am

hahaha The Dem’s are a gift that just keeps on giving, to their own demise.
I cannot wait to watch the DOJ put more nails in their coffin. After their misconduct in the stevens case and all those prosecutors that were fired. This is just more pre-election misconduct.
In the Stevens case The misconduct of government prosecutors, and one or more FBI agents, was stunning. Not only did the government fail to disclose evidence of innocence, but instead intentionally hid that evidence and created false evidence that they provided to the defense.
But how convient was it that Eric Holder dropped charges after the elections and pretended to be angered by the misconduct of prosecutors…we are going to continue to see more of this type of corruption under Obama’s administration. As the sheriff said he smiled in their faces, then turned around and sued. Obama is the lowest of
scum buckets that ever existed in politics…when the truth is out he will go down as the biggest traitor to this country of any figure in our history…Benedict Arnold will look loyal in comparison. After his 1 term is over and we get down to repairing the damage it will all come out in the wash and America will realize to never vote another person into office just based on the color of their skin. Hopefully it will awaken people to start paying attention to the actual character and experience of a candidate.

Posted by: Talina | September 3, 2010, 12:35 am 12:35 am

“Undocumented immigration is on the decline, Mike C. On the decline.”
This single statement sums up the left on this issue.
Undocumented imigration…LOL…where is the office of “Undocumented Imigration” ? You do realize that if we actually know these numbers for a FACT, then someone is breaking the LAW. Both from my view AND YOURS!
Simple Question – If we are not allowed to ask about someone status, then HOW can we really KNOW anything about the number of them?
As memory serves, the ‘number’ has bounced all over the place from 10 to 17 million in just the past couple of years alone.
I do not doubt that with current economic conditions, the rate is lower. That is supposed to make me feel better that we allow large numbers of these people to come here and mooch of our tax $$$! Since I am one of those in this country who does actually PAY taxes, I have the right to complain very loudly when MY money goes to create a support system for people who are breaking the LAW by there mere presence here in this country! You do actually understand that right?
Take a look around the world at what other countries do to people who are in their country illegally. We just had this idiotic adminstration put the AZ law into its human rights report to the deeply credible UN. There was no reason to do that at all. Just another Obama stunt. Like things here are so bad. If it were so bad here, WHY are millions of people here illegally???
At what point will people like you wake up? How many other people in the border states have to die? How much violence crossing our borfer is acceptable to you and Eric Holder? Will your tune change if we find a 4-yr old in one our border towns with a stray bullet in his head?
Im asking a serious question of people like you and Ryan C. Where is your line in the sand? I know wher emine s, but I never hear anyone on the Left define where it is that we go from acceptable to unacceptable. How many American lives have to be destroyed before you ‘approve’ of action to be taken?

Posted by: Mike_C | September 3, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am

If each person did what they wanted regardless, what a crazy world we would have which I sometimes think we are headed.
Yes, It has already happened – We call them “Sanctuary Cities”. They decided not to follow the immigration law, but you do not see Holder sueing them – do ya?

Posted by: Mike_C | September 3, 2010, 12:51 am 12:51 am

LOL, you Ryan C under a new name?
It is amazing that lefties like you think no one like Barney Frank or Chriss Dodd or a Larry Summers had anything at all to do with things that led up to the collapse.
Posted by: Mike_C | Sep 2, 2010 11:23:15 PM
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No, not Ryan C (though I do really like his posts–he’s much smarter and more cutting that those on your side and I love it; he doesn’t suffer fools gladly– or so it seems)
Anyway, where did I say what you claim I said in the above clip? I said the Republicans tanked the economy, and that is true– the recession Obama inherited was largely– though not entirely– the result of Bush’s policies.
Why do I say that?
Lots of reasons, hard to know where to begin as there’s…
Fed policy, Bush tax cuts without spending cuts, borrowing money to fund two wars, including one that was unnecessary, Bush appointees at the SEC, the Comptroller of the Currency, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, etc. sanctioned or completely missed or ignored (or whatever) fraudulent activity; weak GDP and job growth;flat wages; the Sarbanes-Oxley Act; growing number of uninsureds; growing inequality and poverty, blah, blah, blah…. its very easy to look it all up, and if you read widely, you get the full picture. Check stiglitz and baker, who predicted the crisis, as well as stockman and bartlett who worked for GOP admins.
People whine about the deficit, and we will have to do something about it, but lets’ be clear…
The CBO projected a deficit for the fiscal year that began with Bush still in office– FY 2009– of $1.2 trillion. That was before Obama took office.
The biggest issue really is the Bush-Cheney and Republican party, decision to ignore the housing bubble and the mortgage madness beyond a couple mentions of GSE reform.
But to address your accusation, while I did say the Republicans tanked the economy for the reasons I mentioned above (and more, which I’ll spare you in the name of space and time), I didn’t say they didn’t have help getting to the place where they could fail us completely. Lots of others played a healthy role– some Democrats, the Fed, home owners, home buyers, mortgage brokers, Wall Street, Main Street, greed, Fannie and Freddie (though the argument that Fannie and Freddie caused the economic calamity is absurd), etc., etc.
Bush, like ALL presidents, doesn’t deserve all the blame (or all the credit) for the economy’s performance during his terms. But he didn’t take any steps to counteract economic problems– the real but relatively minor ones he inherited and those that came along. His strategy was to give out tax breaks that favored the wealthiest among us–not only did that reduce federal revenues to 15 percent of gross domestic product by 2009, lower than they had been since the 1940s, but they also didn’t produce growth. THAT relied on the treacherous housing bubble– and Bush did play a role there. It can’t be denied by anyone with a shred of honesty. (G.W. Bush on the Housing Boom – Oct. 2002)
In regards to my so-called “lefty world,” to be honest with you, you don’t appear to know much about it that I can tell–you seem more interested in tossing out the usual suspects when it comes to disparagement and lazy argument. Its fine– everybody does it in comment threads and I’m not thin-skinned. Maybe you get paid for it. Everybody seems to talk about paid posters. Whatever. Big whoop…
But for fun I do have to say this: from what I can tell, a CEO’s job is to make sure he gets overpaid and to do PR after a giant oil spill to win over the small people so they’ll defend them, well, that’s if they are the type to defend the corporate masters (meanwhile the small people who defend them don’t really benefit nor do those that died in the explosion leading to the oil spill, but, hey, as long as there are bennies for their stockholders… gotta defend the Cause)
While I was doing the corporate kewpie doll thing, I was never very impressed by the CEO’s. I read somewhere that HP is STILL cleaning up after Carly Fiorina (HP agrees to pay $55 million to settle investigation into illegal kickbacks). Much prefer the freelancing and small biz world, independence, liberty and all that good stuff y’all supposedly are into (though I didn’t properly wrap it up in a flag, country music and Christianity– and I don’t really think you all are into it beyond the verbiage– its just stuff you say)
I’m unclear as to whether you understand my point in mentioning cash flow– namely, the small business aid package the President is pushing. For or against and let ‘em eat cake? Let’s see how well you understand this business world of which you speak and whether you can explain your position and what you suggest to a poor wee “simpleton”– but remember, without demogoguing or using the talking points you claim to find so distasteful and worthy of your haughty scorn, as least when they’re allegedly coming from “lefties.” I wouldn’t want to think you’re a hypocrite or something.
(I actually never watch Olbermann, only Maddow, on MSNBC, and only once in awhile; not big on TV outside of true blood- and I’m not a fan of Moore either, so I missed it. but in regards to boycotting, I take it you’re not much of a free market, go capitalism and consumer choice type, hey? If you are, wouldn’t you think boycotting a good thing, and wouldn’t you be the one leading the boycott you recommend? Or is that too much trouble?)

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 1:28 am 1:28 am

“Undocumented immigration is on the decline, Mike C. On the decline.”
This single statement sums up the left on this issue.
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I’m asking a serious question of people like you and Ryan C. Where is your line in the sand? I know wher emine s, but I never hear anyone on the Left define where it is that we go from acceptable to unacceptable. How many American lives have to be destroyed before you ‘approve’ of action to be taken?
Posted by: Mike_C | Sep 3, 2010 12:45:00 AM
First, You can link directly to the report at “U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Flows Are Down Sharply Since Mid-Decade”, Pew Hispanic Center. You can also check several analyses and stats on violence and crime on the United States side of the border with Mexico. That is also down.
Did you happen to see Governor Brewer’s very poor performance at the debate on Wed. night? The reason I mention it is that she is a fear monger of the worst kind, and not only did the governor struggle in her opening– which was painfully awkward and I admit led me to think Good God, what are the Republicans doing;all these candidates that are so inarticulate; but then I kinda felt sorry for her too– BUT then at the end, she didn’t respond to questions about her insane claims about beheadings. (Jan Brewer after-debate meltdown?, Tucson Citizen) Now, we were talking business before and frankly I think Terry Goddard gets it right when he points out that Brewer damages Arizona’s image when she lies and fearmongers and falsely portrays Arizona as a violent place because of border-related crime. It affects tourism, business prospects, and economic development.
So, when you ask where is my line in the sand, what do you mean? I believe in our Constitution and our lofty ideals even when its hard.
I find it highly offensive that Arpaio is or may be racially profiling to the extent that he is discriminating against Native Americans and American born Hispanics– and that he is hurting people, regardless of where they were born and their legal status– breaking jaws, killing people, humiliating them, mistreating them– when their only crime is crossing the border illegally. Deport them, with dignity, in keeping with basic human rights.
I agree with the President on a few things–
the politics of who is and who is not allowed to enter this country, and on what terms, has always been contentious
the borders are too porous
the system is broken and everybody knows it
we need comprehensive immigration reform
the law Arizona passed is divisiveand it puts huge pressures on local law enforcement to enforce rules that ultimately are unenforceable. Plus, they have the potential, at least as originally conceived, of violating the rights of innocent American citizens and legal residents, making them subject to possible stops or questioning because of what they look like.
our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, those who broke these laws should be held accountable.
The southern border is more secure today than at any time in the past 20 years. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have more work to do.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 2:01 am 2:01 am

If ya do the crime ya do the time with Sheriff Joe. What’s not to understand?

Posted by: Teddy | September 3, 2010, 2:32 am 2:32 am

If ya do the crime ya do the time with Sheriff Joe.
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If you look a certain way and happen to jaywalk, maybe…maybe you’ll do more than time.
Maybe you’ll die, be fed dog food, break a jaw and not be allowed to receive medical attention.Or maybe you’ll be harassed if you didn’t do a crime, if you look Native American or have brown eyes or speak Spanish.
Or maybe you’ll be the victim of a violent crime by an American and the crime will be largely ignored because he’s too busy abusing his power and racially profiling.
Let’s find out. Did he really destroy records? If so, why ?
It smells, Arpaio, it smells…

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 2:45 am 2:45 am

Mike C and Teddy, here’s an interesting tidbit for you: Under Arpaio, violent crime rates have risen while they’ve fallen in throughout the rest of Arizona, 911 response times increased and arrest rates decreased. He admits he arrests very few non-Hispanics, and he reportedly forced a woman to give birth while handcuffed to a bed.
I’m sure these things have been mentioned, but since Mike C asked me, where do you all draw the line? Why wouldn’t you want him investigated?
(Source, The Notorious Record of Maricopa County, AZ’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America’s Voice Education Fund)

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 2:54 am 2:54 am

the law Arizona passed is divisiveand it puts huge pressures on local law enforcement to enforce rules that ultimately are unenforceable. Plus, they have the potential, at least as originally conceived, of violating the rights of innocent American citizens and legal residents, making them subject to possible stops or questioning because of what they look like.
Since we currently have the ACLU suing the govt over the idea of drone attacks against terrorists, I am very certain that they would have every cop in AZ who ever thought about racial profiling in the way all you lefties think in law suits already!
That arguement is a crock, and it is the source of fear mongering from people like you. It is an idiotic statement, if you honestly beleive that then there is no law that can be applied without profiling of some kind.
So a law is wrong if it is unenforcable or too difficult to enforce nicely? You have post after post after post, and nowhere in there do i see you standing up and saying they are breaking the LAW by being here!
It is just amazing that your so incredibly scared of enforcing the LAW we have. The system is broken, because we have allowed this to go on & on for decades. Politicians on both sides of the aisle are to blame. BUT – just because the task is difficult, does not mean that we ignore the LAW.
Local law enforcement is ALLOWED to be involved in the enforcement these immigration laws, the Supreme Court has already ruled on that.
People like you are constantly, purposely mis-representing the AZ law. It specifically forbids what you describe and you know it! Anyone who has ever been stopped for any infraction of the law is asked to produce id. As I stated before, and as border surveillance shows as FACT, undisputable FACT, it is not Japanese, South Africans, or Germans who enter the US illegally from Mexico. The vast majority are, surprise, Mexicans!!!!!
As far as your using the Constitution as you line in the sand, very commendable.
“our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, those who broke these laws should be held accountable.”
LOL, You cant have it both ways here. being held accountable means being deported if your here illegally…PERIOD!!! But because we say the problem is too big, we have sanctuary cities and the claim we cant just deport 10 million people.
So, then what do you say to each and every person who ever came here legally and did it the right way? Oh, you should have just broken the law with everyone else, cause now we will just give you what you wanted all along. This entire debate is insulting to those who obeyed the LAW.
Liberals are constantly whining how horrible Wall Street or big buisness are. The claim is they always bend the rules to suit themselves, to somehow cheat the rest of us. How evil they are because they make all that money – how much it costs us. Yet, the left wants go out of the way to break the LAW for illegals.
The border needs to be secured now! All this insane spending by the foolish administration and we cant build a damn wall. Stop with the excuses – build it now! If nothing else, it would put a great number of people to work! If that border is left open and you guys create some foolish scheme for those here already to bypass the LAW, thne millions more will just come again and wait for their numbers to grow big enough that we have to do it again.

Posted by: Mike_C | September 3, 2010, 3:25 am 3:25 am

he reportedly forced a woman to give birth while handcuffed to a bed
hmm key word – “Reportedly” that sounds like definitive journalism to me……
Again, I ask…where is the ACLU, they are always all over these kinds of things….

Posted by: Mike_C | September 3, 2010, 3:28 am 3:28 am

When will Arizona and all 50 states sue the federal government for not enforcing laws? When will the federal government sue Mexico for assisting illegal immigration? When will the invasion be stopped? If any other country purposely sent 12 – 15 million people illegally to the U.S. we would have declared war or at least began a “Police Action” using the military. U. S. Constitution article 4. Section 4 – Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Posted by: MarkD | September 3, 2010, 4:37 am 4:37 am

Obama is suing Arizona claiming only the feds can enforce immigration law and then changes the fed policy to not enforce the law at all.
ICE Refuses to Deport ‘Non-Violent’ Illegal Aliens
Friday, August 27, 2010
In a major policy shift, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has issued new guidelines regarding the prosecution of deportation cases: if an arrested illegal alien is not a convicted criminal or a terrorist threat, the case should be dropped.
Impeach Obama.

Posted by: panola | September 3, 2010, 5:08 am 5:08 am

ICE Refuses to Deport ‘Non-Violent’ Illegal Aliens
Friday, August 27, 2010
“When will Arizona and all 50 states sue the federal government for not enforcing laws? When will the federal government sue Mexico for assisting illegal immigration?” – panola
The answer does not lie in the court system. Taking the problem there is a Waste-o-Time™ and plays into the administration’s hands. What we need is for the Border States along with a few others to tell the US Government to stick it and start deporting illegal invaders themselves. Now that’s a message that will hit Obama and Holder in the head like a 4′ 2×4.

Posted by: Noz | September 3, 2010, 8:16 am 8:16 am

“(Source, The Notorious Record of Maricopa County, AZ’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America’s Voice Education Fund)” – true blue
Ha ha ha ha!
Propaganda from true blue.

Posted by: Noz | September 3, 2010, 8:51 am 8:51 am

“Reportedly” that sounds like definitive journalism to me……
Yes, as in under Arpaio, addition to the numbers– violent crime rates have risen while they’ve fallen in throughout the rest of Arizona, 911 response times increased and arrest rates decreased and he admits he arrests very few non-Hispanics– he also reportedly forced a woman to give birth while handcuffed to a bed.
Um, I’m a commenter on a blog, not a journalist, and I don’t believe everything I hear, but since there are piles and piles of allegations and multiple sources have thought he was worth investigating, I say let the investigation proceed in accordance with the law. If he’s above board and as good as he himself claims, there won’t be a problem.
And/Or– at the very least– let him return the monies he’s received from the federal government in full.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 9:10 am 9:10 am

So a law is wrong if it is unenforcable or too difficult to enforce nicely? You have post after post after post, and nowhere in there do i see you standing up and saying they are breaking the LAW by being here!
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Its ill-conceived. As for the rest, try again. I posted: “I believe in our Constitution and our lofty ideals even when its hard…I find it highly offensive that Arpaio is or may be racially profiling to the extent that he is discriminating against Native Americans and American born Hispanics– and that he is hurting people, regardless of where they were born and their legal status– breaking jaws, killing people, humiliating them, mistreating them– when their only crime is crossing the border illegally. Deport them, with dignity, in keeping with basic human rights. ”
Oh, and Mike C, note the word deport (as well as the words crime and illegally) Note when I posted this and your response.
This is why its hard to take right wingers seriously. You all are so focused on talking points– sound bites for the Cause– you don’t offer authentic responses to what was actually written.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 9:19 am 9:19 am

“It specifically forbids what you describe and you know it!”
then you should support an investigation– the multiple investigations– to ensure the law isn’t being broken, right?

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 9:22 am 9:22 am

The border needs to be secured now!
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We agree on this, though its hard to find that agreement with all the fabrications on your part. Guess what I posted on a thread here the other day, under the topic of the drones:
Hmmmm… perhaps we can do a border security thing as stimulus as we move into greater and greater gridlock.
(Polls show support for additional stimulus, small business aid, job creation and even EPA regulation)
In regards to the many efforts made by DHS to boost homeland/border security, no matter what, Republicans will complain and distort. Better to fearmonger, lie, divide and find ethnic scapegoats and pursue scorched earth.
Posted by: true blue | Aug 31, 2010 2:13:46 PM
(I probably hsould have said ethnic and liberal/lefty scapegoats)

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Our justice department is misguided, it goes after citizens instead of protecting them from illegal aliens.
My take is that Obama, whatever his origin, does not share our American values.
We can’t get rid of Obama in 2010, but we can clip his wings by prying his water-boy congress from his cold uncaring grip.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | September 3, 2010, 9:40 am 9:40 am

This sounds like a witch hunt. The intent is to fish around until something can be found!

Posted by: Voice_Reason | September 3, 2010, 9:42 am 9:42 am

I think all the lefties blaming Bush for the economy really need to read the Constitution. Who is in charge of the Purse strings? The House of Representatives. Who was in control of the House? Democrats. Who was the cause of the largest deficits on record? The Democrats. Were there some fiscally irresponsible Republicans? Yes. I estimate maybe 20% of the Republicans are too liberal with my money, however I estimate 90% of the Democrats are.

Posted by: Rude_Dog | September 3, 2010, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Posted by: Rude_Dog |
I think there is a difference between blaming Bush and pointing out what went wrong– asking people to take a look at Fed policy, Bush tax cuts without spending cuts, borrowing money to fund two wars, including one that was unnecessary, Bush appointees at the SEC, the Comptroller of the Currency, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, etc.,who either sanctioned or completely missed or ignored (or whatever) fraudulent activity; weak GDP and job growth and when it began; real wages; Republican and Democrat policies and their respective records with an eye toward fact, the big picture and the long run, he Sarbanes-Oxley Act;; growing inequality and poverty and when that began, the work of stiglitz and baker, who predicted the crisis, as well as the work stockman and bartlett who worked for GOP admins and take a cool and clear look at the problems.
Then there’s the deficit. The CBO projected a deficit for the fiscal year that began with Bush still in office– FY 2009– of $1.2 trillion. That was before Obama took office.
Then ask why the Bush-Cheney admin and many in Congress decided to ignore the housing bubble and the mortgage madness?
Are you intending to vote for someone with blood on their hands or who denies the full scope of what went wrong? If so , how will anything change?
Bush, like ALL presidents, doesn’t deserve all the blame (or all the credit) for the economy’s performance during his terms. Congress, whichever party is in charge, doesn’t start each new one with a fresh, clean slate– they too inherit messes, or coming messes, particularly when the Congress before them kicks things down the road further and further and further.
I know people like to boil it down so its easy to grasp and can be summed up by a sound bite, but its worth actually being well-informed.
Anne Kornblut and Lori Montgomery report in WaPo (and others are reporting the same thing) that the Obama admin may introduce a sweeping package of business tax cuts in coming weeks– including payroll tax cuts. They don’t give up.
Be bold, Mr. President. Press onward. Kicking it all down the road doesn’t serve us well.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am

If this is a “fishing expedition”, then what do you call stopping hispanic looking people and asking for their papers?
I believe that DOJ has more probable cause than MCSO.

Posted by: Flash Override | September 3, 2010, 10:40 am 10:40 am

If he didn’t have anything to hide he’d be cooperating. This isn’t the Wild Wild West anymore and we do have laws. One of them is when asked we pony up what is asked for.

Posted by: secondlook | September 3, 2010, 10:44 am 10:44 am

This sounds like witch hunt.

Really?
I’ve noticed Beck’s and Fox News’s witch hunt for alleged socialists, Marxists and communists alongside their racial and ethnic scapegoating and smear campaigns, but I don’t see how this is a witch hunt.
Typically a witch hunt arises out of a Cause or orthodoxy and vilifies a class of people– women, Hispanics, blacks, liberals, etc. For example, Arpaio may be conducting witch hunts with his sweeps. The DOJ is following up on allegations and accusations– a very long list. Over 2,700 lawsuits have been filed against him; 40,000 felony warrants remain outstanding in his jurisdiction. Why on the latter? Well, perhaps he’s too busy conducting witch hunts to deal with more violent crimes. Violence and crime have fallen in the rest of Arizona, why not in his jurisdiction?
Its worth investigating.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Could Sheriff Arpaio be the re-incarnation of Bull Connor?

Posted by: ckagmd | September 3, 2010, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Our government has turned against its citizens and armed forces…
This is an outrage.

Posted by: Kaffir | September 3, 2010, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Could Sheriff Arpaio be the re-incarnation of Bull Connor?
Posted by: ckagmd | Sep 3, 2010 11:04:00 AM
Ever see 4 Little Girls? Very good documentary by Spike Lee.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 11:19 am 11:19 am

When travelling out of the USA, I am required to carry my Passport or at least a copy. When asked for, I present with no problem and am polite as a “Guest” should be. If you are a “Guest” in our country, what’s the problem?
If you libs want to support illegal immigrants, fine, but leave my paycheck alone! Too many loud mouthed libs are giving our country away!

Posted by: justlovinglife | September 3, 2010, 11:54 am 11:54 am

“If you are a “Guest” in our country, what’s the problem? ”
Most decent people treat their guests with civility and respect and within the law.
Nobody is above the law.
Arpaio shouldn’t be afraid to comply with the law– he’s supposed to be tough, right? Isn’t that his own claim?
Toughen up, Joe. Shredding evidence and refusing to cooperate is wimpy stuff. I’m reminded of a bully with a glass jaw and a vulnerable achilles heel.

Posted by: true blue | September 3, 2010, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

This isn’t about “guests”, and you know it. You can pretend all you want that the only people who are getting harrassed are people here illegally, but that doesn’t make it true.

Posted by: Flash Override | September 3, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Isn’t it our right to refuse to cooperate, Under the Fifth Amendment? So what we have could or is a attempt on the part of the County and Federal Government to stop us from protecting ourselves when its became obvious the County Supervisors and the Federal Government lacked the ability or because of Malfeasant, have done only minimal intervention to look blameless.

Posted by: SwingVoter | September 3, 2010, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

I don’t care where you are from, if you are running through the bushes after dark You should be stopped & checked out by the police. If you look like a bum & smell like a bum, then you probably are a bum & if you were in my neighborhood I would want the police to check you out.IF YOU CAN’t SPEAK EINGLISH then most likely you are ILLEGAL & the POLICE SHOULD Check YOU OUT. IF YOU DON’T LIKE OUR LAWS GO HOME, WE DON’T WANT OR NEED YOU HERE
IF THE GOVERNMENT WAS DOING THEIR JOB THE STATES WOULDN’T HAVE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY & TIME TO CHASE DOWN ILLEGALS.
I DON’T CARE WHAT OBAMA THINKS, THE STATES HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR BORDERS, & THEIR PEOPLE FROM ILLEGALS.

Posted by: James Morris | September 4, 2010, 9:14 am 9:14 am

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out. Niemöller

Posted by: Ed Taylor | September 4, 2010, 9:57 am 9:57 am

“Isn’t it our right to refuse to cooperate” – SwingVoter
Not only is it our right but when faced with an anti-american regime such as the Obama White House it’s your civic responsibility to refuse to cooperate.

Posted by: Noz | September 4, 2010, 10:49 am 10:49 am

I am disappointed to see many bloggers here appear to defend this Sheriff Joe Arpaio without any investigation/research of his actual crime /sheriff work statistics/activities/etc. Initially I too thought he had to be good. He does push good image. Intrigued, and was for illegal immigration reform law. Since he is an elected by public, realized he may be just a politician. Career factual record needed. Started investigation. I became quite alarmed.
His police authority record is dismal. Found he seems to poorly manage sheriff office, displays possible thug-type retaliation agenda. Two investigations exist re: performance and shocking retaliation actions against residents Maricopa County.
(1)Feds investigating since June, 2008 – racial profiling and human rights abuse. Ordered President Bush. Many complaints. Then President Obama January, 2009 – took over.
(2)#2 investigation Federal in Arizona – abuse of power. Result complaints lodged 4 judges, entire county board of supervisors, county manager, multiple mayors of County, newspapers owners/reporters, county employees, business owners, innocent residents of county, possibly a few Hispanic complaints, etc. Former County Attorney Andrew Thomas also being investigated by State Bar & Feds. See newspaperArizona Republic articles
Conservative Think Tank – Goldwater Institute – 2 thorough investigations of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. First one – Mission Unaccomplished. Second mid 2009. East Valley Tribune reporters received Pulitizer Prize articles. Both absolutely shocking and damaging. Other news reports, court records, etc. collaborate. Found ignores/doesn’t investigate real crime, etc, etc, etc. Goes on & on. Go google. In black and white.
This man receives federal money for his department & as result he must meet standard & abide by laws. He is not above the law. I am Republican and I have been shocked to discover the real truth. Arizona Illegal immigration can be enforced, but find Sheriff Joe Arpaio should gone. His words are only words, but not supported by the real facts. This Sheriff is too dangerous to be in a police authority position. Found this man will go get anyone of any race on bogus charges who he sees as a threat using disguise of his badge

Posted by: Sharon | September 4, 2010, 11:51 am 11:51 am

While the Feds gleefully go after an effective sheriff is it turning a blind eye to SEIU fund-raising tactics because they benefit the Obama and his congress?
Unfortunately, but unsurprisingly, the Obama Federal Election Commission (FEC) has refused to investigate the SEIU’s crooked PAC fund-raising scheme.
You be the judge, it’s your government in action but you can change it in November.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | September 4, 2010, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Posted by: Sharon | Sep 4, 2010 11:51:56 AM
It’s hilarious the right wing defends him with no idea of whether he’s guilty of crimes, or misuse of funds.
In this country, everyone is subject to the rule of law, even those who enforce the law. Justice will tell the tale in the end.

Posted by: janet | September 5, 2010, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Just let this man do his job. Just because our Government are acting like pansies about the immigration problem don’t mean that they can make this Sherrifs job any tougher. You people should be helping him!

Posted by: Magnum1 | September 6, 2010, 2:09 am 2:09 am

Obama and Holder just have to do something. So instead of going after the problem they choose to go after fellow Americans. Their brief chooses Mexico over America, could it be that neither Obama nor Holder are real citizens?
It’s time to stop Obama. The first step is to pry His congress from his cold uncaring fingers.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | September 7, 2010, 11:08 am 11:08 am

What do you call illegals. If you are stopped over and over again because you speak a different language or look a different way from the norm. I am a citizen, I do not carry a passport, drivers license but not a passport. How would you like to be stopped over and over again by people we elect just because of your hair color, eyes or a tattoo. This is racial profiling and there are laws agianst it. We have illegal immigrants from many different countries not just Mexico; we give them amnesty or rights because of what is happening in their country (ethnic cleansing) is this not we as Americans are trying to do even though we are all illegals in this country. We are diversified some of us have 4 to 10 nationalities. please trace your heritage, wake up. We should be past this, but 2000 years, we are still fighting. We should be able to hold our heads high and say we are Americans land of the free, you come here and you can become the next president, business owner, or doctor. We will not turn you away because we were turned away from our beliefs that is our history and we would not do that to anyone else, but this in not who we are some of us need to be parent with a caring hand and see people as human beings not an ant one can squishes because they are the big ant eater.

Posted by: Wake Up | October 28, 2010, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

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