By John R Parkinson

Jan 18, 2011 6:08pm

Rep. McCarthy Intros Bill to Ban High-Capacity Ammo Clips

ABC News' John R. Parkinson reports:

In the aftermath of the attempted murder of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords earlier this month, lawmakers on Capitol Hill have proposed a cluster of gun control measures ranging from a ban to knowingly carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of certain high-profile government officials to a proposal to allow members of Congress to carry firearms in the U.S. Capitol. 

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy formally introduced her own bill on the House floor Tuesday that would ban high-capacity ammunition clips like the one Jared Loughner used to gun down 19 individuals in the Tucson shooting Jan. 8. 

McCarthy, who is regarded as one of the toughest gun-control proponents on Capitol Hill, has dedicated her congressional service to reducing gun violence after a tragic incident in 1993 in which gunman Colin Ferguson unleashed a hail of bullets aboard a packed Long Island Railroad commuter train, and used 15-round magazines to kill six people, including McCarthy’s husband, and injured 19 more, including her son. 

“I know what it’s like to have tragedy brought to your life in a split second by a madman with high-capacity ammunition magazines,” McCarthy said. “I’m working to stop it from happening again.  We need comprehensive reform to reduce the number of people hurt or killed by gunfire in America, but one simple way we can do that is by keeping the worst tools of mass murder away from the general public.  This nation has come together before to support this simple, commonsense measure, and it is the law in several states right now.  It is a small sacrifice that law-abiding gun owners can make once again in order to increase everyone’s safety.” 

Like Loughner’s rampage in Tucson earlier this month, the gunman that killed McCarthy’s husband was not stopped until bystanders tackled him as he stopped shooting in order to reload – strengthening the case for smaller magazines with fewer bullets, according to McCarthy. 

McCarthy, D-New York, says her bill would set a 10-round-maximum standard that’s already in place in four other states, and was a nationwide standard for a decade before the previous federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004. 

Loughner’s Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun was outfitted with an extended clip that carried 31 rounds.

“All I’m saying is we need to stop the terror,” McCarthy said, noting that shootings involving high-capacity clips seem to occur more frequently now than in the past. “How many people have to die because of these clips?” 

According to McCarthy, her legislation would also close a loophole in the previous ban in which magazines manufactured before the law went into effect could still be sold or transferred. 

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer says he has been a longtime supporter of bans on assault weapons and high capacity magazines, and that if there had been a ban in place prior to the Tucson shooting, Loughner might have been stopped earlier and lives might have been saved. 

“High-capacity clips, in my view, essentially have the purpose of taking a lot of lives quickly,” Hoyer, D-Maryland, said. “If this individual, had he had a 12 capacity clip [instead of 31 rounds], there might have been a lot of lives saved because he was gotten under control by heroic people standing around him when he changed clips, when he was trying to change clips.” 

Hoyer said he believes that in the aftermath of the Giffords shooting, there will be an added appetite in the House for some form of gun control legislation. Which ones of the proposed bills are voted into law will depend on largely on the GOP majority’s support, according to Hoyer. 

“In Maryland, we have had, something which I voted for in the seventies when I was in the State Senate, constraints, and I have not had any complaints from hunters or sportsmen and women on the controls we have on handguns, in particular, as opposed to sports guns, rifles and long guns,” Hoyer said. 

McCarthy, who was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1996, said she has more than 40 co-sponsors for the bill so far, and that while no Republicans have stepped up to support her proposed ban on high-capacity clips, McCarthy is working to gain Republican support, has requested a meeting with Speaker of the House John Boehner, and is also working to set up a meeting with President Obama to discuss the measure. 

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey, plans to introduce similar legislation in the Senate later this month. 

“High-capacity gun magazines are tools for murder.  This common-sense legislation would make it more difficult for someone to carry out a killing spree,” Lautenberg said in a statement. “Before 2004, these ammunition magazines were banned, and they must be banned again.  I am proud to partner on this effort with Rep. McCarthy, who has worked tirelessly throughout her career to curb gun violence in our nation.”

User Comments

I think the US would be better served in banning stupid politicians who have their own agenda which is taking away rights of the citizens of the US – so let us start by asking this nimrod to resign and go grow pretty flowers somewhere else.

Posted by: Patriot | January 18, 2011, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Bills that will go into the trash. Focus on the economy and not this BS

Posted by: Vader | January 18, 2011, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

How about we tell our kids (students), and their teachers that when they have a “friend” or a “student” who exhibits SIGNS OF MENTAL DISTURBANCE that they should REPORT the person to SOMEBODY so that they can “get help” or be evaluated!!!
NOT DOING ANYTHING when they KNEW this guy was “MENTAL” resulted in SIX DEAD PEOPLE!!

Posted by: Chisco3 | January 18, 2011, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm

I doubt this dumb bill will pass John Bohner opposes this dumb law and will continue oppose attacks on freedom due to bias ABC gun hater liker this web page and freedom hatter like Rep McCarthy who is bent on banning guns no matter what.

Posted by: American | January 18, 2011, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Did this moron forget who controls the House. We The People. Now get lost.

Posted by: smokehouse | January 18, 2011, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Once you use your husband’s death to achieve power, all other acts of macabre opportunism are a piece of cake.
This woman is a human vulture.

Posted by: FactMonger | January 18, 2011, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

Clip what is a clip ??? I wish they would get the terminology correct, it is called a magazine not a clip.

Posted by: BubbaJoe Mamma | January 18, 2011, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

Using the word “clip” instead of the proper word “magazine” just confirms that the writer knows absolutely nothing about firearms.

Posted by: Tom | January 18, 2011, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

“and I have not had any complaints from hunters or sportsmen and women on the controls we have on handguns, in particular, as opposed to sports guns, rifles and long guns,” Hoyer said.
I challenge anyone to find the words “sporting” and “hunting” in the Constitution. Gun control advocats have long used those terms as if they had some relevance to the Second Amendment. They don’t.
I’ve read the Constitution. Sporting and hunting are not mentioned anywhere in the document.

Posted by: oonogil | January 18, 2011, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Look no real American would kill our 2nd amendment right because of some crazy nut. Maybe these liberal gun haters can blame the patriat act enforcers for not spying on us enough and seeing the warning signs displayed by this waste of life assasin.

Posted by: Mr lock and load | January 19, 2011, 1:54 am 1:54 am

Guns don’t kill people any more than the car with a drunk driver kills people.
It ain’t the gun folks – it’s the crazy guy that was ignored who killed those people.
The dimocrats keep wasting our time and money on frivolous legislation.

Posted by: JSDinTexas | January 19, 2011, 10:31 am 10:31 am

when someone uses the word “clip” in the wrong sense, it just tells me that they know nothing about firearms. carolyn has already made it clear she knows nothing when she didn’t know what a barrel shroud was dispite it being in her own bill. antigunners just want to ban anything gun related. first its 30 round mags, then they bring back the full AWB, then everything needs to be registered, its a slippery slope and we can’t give them an inch. you can reload a handgun in about 1 second with practice. high capacity magazines don’t mean jack. logic be damned.

Posted by: john | January 19, 2011, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Do gun advocates have anything better to justify 30-round clips than “freedom” and “2nd amendment rights”? I guess there is no logical or rational justification for citizens carrying military weapons in our streets.

Posted by: Joe | January 19, 2011, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Is this all this congresswoman does is to strip away our 2A rights. Does she not know what the meaning of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MEANS. The constitution was just read in the house, but she must have not heard the 2A read or walked out during the reading or possibly never evn showed up.

Posted by: Ed | January 19, 2011, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Joe, you are like the author, don’t know what your talking about.

Posted by: Tom | January 19, 2011, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

How can you make a law that is completely illogical in its foundation? There is no basis for the argument to limit mags to 10 rounds. It is an arbitrary number, nothing else. A limit of 6 could make sense with 6-shooters. 7 or 8 would be plausible because of the 1911. Why 10? Moronic.

Posted by: jj | January 19, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

What is a magazine with “normal” capacity? Ten rounds is below normal for many handguns, and ten round magazines have to be specially designed. The Browning HP, introduced in 1935, came with a 13-round magazine from the beginning. The normal “stock” magazine for a Glock 19 is 15 rounds, and the same is true for the SIG 226 in 9mm.
Of course, it makes sense to punish millions who have never committed a crime because one nutcase does commit an atrocity, doesn’t it?

Posted by: TexasFats | January 19, 2011, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

What the price of oil? Thats killing me do something about that OBAMA!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bobby | January 19, 2011, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

1000 feet??
So I’m in a restaurant, legally carrying my firearm, eating and minding my own business, then without warning a member of congress walks in and decides to eat at the same place. Does this mean I have to drop my fork and run in fear of arrest and conviction?

Posted by: N Telling | January 19, 2011, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

WHO came up with ten as the magic number for gun magazine capacity anyway? Ever hear of the word “criminals”? Why do so many people live in a fantasy world believing criminals will follow the law by having ten round magazines every time they commit a crime?…don’t kid yourself.
Make it mandatory all congressional staff members(McCarthy especially) be armed, attend firearms training monthly, and have a concealed permit to protect themselves? if one, two or maybe all of them had a firearm during the Tucson incident they might have been able to stop that crazy idiot immediately.

Posted by: N Telling | January 19, 2011, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Lets try to figure this out.Remember ,this is our elected officials.
McCarthy shooting ,Long Island,1993.”6 killed 19 wounded” 15 ROUND MAGAZINES.
Arizona shooting,”6 killed 19 wounded”33(30) ROUND MAGAZINES.
Go figure.

Posted by: donholmes | January 19, 2011, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Someone please tell her to cap the bottle already, I see the alcohol leeching out of her face.

Posted by: Pete | January 19, 2011, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

As soon as some nutcase shoots with a 10 rnd mag, then they’ll knock it down to 8 then 6 then 4 then 2 then Zero.

Posted by: Pete | January 19, 2011, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

For Joe that said:
Do gun advocates have anything better to justify 30-round clips than “freedom” and “2nd amendment rights”? I guess there is no logical or rational justification for citizens carrying military weapons in our streets.
If we want the extra capacity we should be able to purchase it and use it. I ask you you only work X amount of miles from your work place so you only need x gallons of gas to get there. So does that mean you should only be allowed to have that exact amount of gas in your car ???

Posted by: BubbaJoeMamma | January 19, 2011, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

I’m standing in any major city and 2 blocks over, out of visual sight, a public official is present. Short of using a crystal ball, how am I to know I’ve broken the 1000 feet or 1/5 of mile law?

Posted by: N Telling | January 19, 2011, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

I am a Dsabled American Veteran and am appalled at how little research these politicians do because if they did do a little research they would find that 99% of gun owners are law abiding cvitizens.
Acts of violence such as this are caused not by the gun or magazine capacity but a failure by the medical society and the young mans parents in not treating the person or knowing what their mental status is.
I call on all voters to vote out any and all politicians that rush to judgment about firearms and law abiding citizens that own them.
It is unfathomable how the US has allowed politicians such as the above named to remain in office. Certainly there are far more important things going on in NY let alone the US then to trample on the rights of law abiding citizens. What happened to the US?

Posted by: Greg | January 19, 2011, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

with a 9mm it takes around two center of mass hits to bring down a threat if 5 people gather to gether to break in to your house you will be afraid you will be shaking and your hit miss ratio will change, you will need more then ten, no one should be telling me what i “need” to effectively defend myself when they clearly have no experiance when firearms or tactical situations

Posted by: ben | January 19, 2011, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

I do not fear Loughner and others like he, but I fear members of Congress who legislate from the heart rather than from the cerebral cortex.
Ms. McCarthy, we feel your pain, but the more time you spend trying to push useless feel-good measures, the less time you will have to spend pursuing measures that may actually help to reduce gun violence.

Posted by: Steve | January 19, 2011, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

I do not fear Loughner and others like he, but I fear members of Congress who legislate from the heart rather than from the cerebral cortex.
Ms. McCarthy, we feel your pain, but the more time you spend trying to push useless feel-good measures, the less time you will have to spend pursuing measures that may actually help to reduce gun violence.

Posted by: Steve | January 19, 2011, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

This bill is as stupid as the AWB of 1994. It did nothing to take firearms of the street. In fact every time an ignorant person introduces a stupid ban, it increases sales! Go for for it you moron.

Posted by: Stu Strickler | January 19, 2011, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

here we go again look im sorry you lost your husband it happened over 20 years ago get over it how about picking up legislation on the mentally ill and you know what im sorry about giffords but an 8 year old girl was killed she didnt even get to live her life

Posted by: big dom | January 19, 2011, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

and why the hell is it ok for members of congress to carry firearms thats shes in favor of what about the rest of us common folk? we get to die on the streets like dogs im tired of these elite people getting special treatment go after the criminals not us

Posted by: big dom | January 19, 2011, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

She’s been out of touch for years – traumatic effect of her personal tragedy? Why does the MSM give face time to this relic? Had there had been an armed citizen present at the tragedy where her husband was shot by a domestic terrorist may have been avoided.
The media knows that there isn’t a chance the that NRA will let this go through. The anti-2nd Admendment organizations funded by the Joyce Foundation should find someone else to carry their water for them.

Posted by: magnum_force | January 19, 2011, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Anybody who signs onto this bill should become a target for the 2012 election. If a member of congress is willing to trash the constitution over the the act of one crazy, then they can’t be trusted and must be sent home.

Posted by: William Douglas | January 19, 2011, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

It doesn’t matter how many rounds were in the clip. It only takes one bullet to kill someone, whether there were 31 rounds in his gun or not. All of the things that are being proposed are reactive to the situation. And what ever happened to blaming the person who committed the crime with the burden of the act, and not being fearful of the equipment that the criminal chose. Even if gun/bullet/powder was outlawed in the US, this type of violence will (unfortunately) continue to occur.

Posted by: Jacque | January 19, 2011, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

correction:
The article reads:
McCarthy, who is regarded as one of the toughest gun-control proponents on Capitol Hill….
It should read:
McCarthy, who is regarded as one of the most ineffective gun-control proponents on Capitol Hill….

Posted by: magnum_force | January 19, 2011, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy is at it again? Google “the thing that goes up” to see the extent of her firearms expertise…

Posted by: mammynun | January 19, 2011, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

That’s like saying that a drunk driver won’t run into you and kill you because he’s only allowed to have a certain amount of fuel in his car. This lady needs to retire, she is useless.
But since they’re only wanting to ban “clips”, our handguns are safe. Mine, at least, takes magazines.

Posted by: Brad | January 19, 2011, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

A tool to banish firearms from an otherwise defenceless subject.
odumbo needs a few years in mexico.

Posted by: Raggs | January 19, 2011, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

She did this in the 90s with no effect on crime. If you keep doing the same stupid thing over & over ??? Sorry her husband was shot on a train by a nut job, but this will not prevent crime.

Posted by: Peter | January 19, 2011, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

“shootings involving high-capacity clips seem to occur more frequently now than in the past”
Facts please Ms McCarthy. “Seems” means nothing.

Posted by: Dave | January 19, 2011, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Hey, we should also ban large dinner plates from fat people. Overweight americans is a huge problem in the U.S. This will definately help in the regard.

Posted by: Mike | January 19, 2011, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

So…. if I’m defending myself from a mugger by shooting him and an elitist politican just happens to be around the corner, and he didn’t know I was there getting mugged, I’ve committed a felony because an elitist politican was within 1000′ of me?

Posted by: Bob | January 19, 2011, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

I can understand why MS. McCarthy lost touch with reality. Having a member of your family killed is going to be life changing. Either you gain common sense and realize you are responsible for your own safety or lose your mind and look to the government to be your god and protector. It is sad however that mentally challenged people are elected by sympathy votes and then take their anger out on everyone they disagree with. We all hope that some day she will be cured and can rejoin rational, thinking people. For now we can only hope people can be kind and ignore her and others like her and their insane disturbed ramblings. Blaming inanimate objects for the deranged acts of another insane person may even be sick enough to get you committed to an asylum under Obama care.

Posted by: Doctor F | January 19, 2011, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

How would the banning of hi-cap mags reduce crime?
I can re-load in 1 second and what’s to keep a slow-poke criminal from simply keeping a second.. or third.. or fourth.. or fifth gun in his belt?

Posted by: Bob | January 19, 2011, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Representative McCarthy’s contituents who by the way, emcompass a large part of Long Island, should ask themselves if this woman has instituted any contructive legislation in her entire tenure.
This is a “One Issue” politician who has grossly neglected a number of other issues in her district in favor of her own personal agenda and vendetta.

Posted by: hamm owen | January 19, 2011, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

During the deadliest peacetime shooting incident by a single gunman in United States history, the VA Tech shooting, the derranged murderer used many 10 and 15 round magazines to kill 32 and wound many. Banning large cap mags is a useless liberal feel good useless stupid idea.

Posted by: BigClip | January 19, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

How did this person get elected into office. We have all experienced loss. Sorry about your husband, but GET OVER IT. It’s not the rest of America’s fault a few people of ill repute happen to use this tool for their terrible crimes. If your husband was killed by a vehicle, would you have cars banned. Look around, wake up. Those municipalities have proven time and time again that OVERALL, there is far less violent crime when citizens are armed. If police and people were educated, and armed, this person may have met armed resistance. Those in the crowd that were armed were afraid to act because of the possibility of an uneducated Leo coming to the scene. I hate that this happened but another useless law is going to do nothing but boost gun sales. If her husband was armed, he may have had a chance.

Posted by: anonymous | January 19, 2011, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

When the congressman want protection from the bad guys,let them go to a concealed carry class,spend their own money and time to go to the training classes.Then they need a weapon,a bullet proof vest,something to carry the weapon in,like a holster. Then see if the airlines will make an exception for them to fly around the country.When I can;t do these things without getting arrested,how are they going to do it. This is another stupid idea from a person who doesn’t think this through. I need protection from criminals and our government who wants to take our rights away. The Second Amendment shall not be infringed,by anyone.

Posted by: Elmo | January 19, 2011, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Automobiles kill 50,000 people per year. Guns kill 20,000, half of those were justified. This bill will do nothing to change anything. If somone is bound and determined to kill anyone, they can. Now go to bed, and stop worrying. What is going to get you is cancer or a heart attack. Sleep tight:)

Posted by: Joe Doakes | January 19, 2011, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

She can ban all the “clips” she wants. Just keep your hands off the “magazines”. Just another example of someone who doesn’t know what she’s talking about!

Posted by: Rich | January 19, 2011, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Banning high cap mags is essentially an an “assault weapons” ban. The recreational value many of these types of firearms is in discharging a large number of rounds in quick succession, at reactive targets like tin cans or clay pigeons on a shooting range. Some clip fed semi autos are used in competitive shooting events as well. The question is, should a million or so responsible ,law abiding citizens be deprived of their enjoyment of a safe and pleasurable activity because a warped individual apparently well known to local law enforcement, slipped through the cracks? Or,should known drug users who demonstrate threatening behavior be routinely confined for evaluation if not prosecution? The answers: No and yes, respectively.

Posted by: Woodpiggie | January 20, 2011, 12:41 am 12:41 am

OK Mr. King, I’ll go along with your bill.
But only if the govt official becomes the one who gets charged with the infraction if he or she is the one who invades the 1000 ft. radius around a legal carrier.

Posted by: Woodpiggie | January 20, 2011, 1:08 am 1:08 am

The gun banners want us to have single shot pistols with one bullet in our pocket, a la Barney Fife.
I live in a neighborhood where thugs walk the streets in gangs of five or more. I need a hi cap mag to match their fire power in case they decide I have something to steal. To date, I have not had to shoot anyone.
Rep. McCarthy and others: do not disarm me – I can’t afford personal bodyguards.

Posted by: Soccer Mom | January 20, 2011, 1:20 am 1:20 am

a high cap clip, or do these idiots mean mag, first off this law is bogus, before and after the clinton era gun ban, it didn’t help anything, not to mention they meant mag which is the correct terminology, you think if they are righting the laws to dictate our lives they would do a little research, and those of you who disagree you should do some statistical research on their efforts to curb violence, always been there always will be, will you be able to defend yourself?

Posted by: Dan | January 20, 2011, 6:30 am 6:30 am

The message is clear “the magazine is at fault,” so ban the magazine. And create 1,000 feet “Gun Free Zones” around the politically elite, because they are more important than everyone else. These measures are sure to keep “law abiding CRIMINALS” from breaking the law, cause for goodness sake everyone knows that adding those crimes on top of MURDER will certainly stop the criminal dead in his tracks … or maybe it’ll just make it easier for him to get to his victim.

Posted by: Tim R | January 20, 2011, 7:55 am 7:55 am

This woman knows nothing about guns. The shooter in Tucson could have had 2 Glocks which would have surpassed the 30 round “clip”
he had in one pistol.

Posted by: Buddy | January 20, 2011, 9:20 am 9:20 am

I happened to turn to state run..er, public radio around the time of the “Craigslist killer” and they were reporting the guy bought his revolver (6 rounds btw) at a store I frequent, in NH (as a MA resident) with a NY drivers license.
I called to explain how the gov’t (unconstitutionally) prohibits sales of handguns outside your state of residence, you can’t buy a handgun with a NY or MA license in NH. The poor kid just kept saying, “that’s what the newswires say”.. I tried to suggest maybe RESEARCH!! or perhaps ASKING since they must know that they know zero about firearms…
Of course, beyond that – the idea of THAT store selling illegally is absurd. They actually put on every price tag a “MA compliant” checkbox and won’t even joke about selling a gun to a MA resident that wouldn’t be legal in MA… but to know that would have required committing journalism… good luck with THAT!
– NH 2nd and 10th Amendment – If all else fails… –

Posted by: PatHenry52 | January 20, 2011, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Hello ? Politicians? Anybody listening?
Start telling the truth about what you do,don’t make promises you know you can’t keep,and stop telling Americans you can solve my problems by stealing my neighbors money..
Once you do that,all will get better..
Failure to abide by the constitution is “Treason”,and you know what happens to traitors,right?
Until the,you will most likley help the economy,by buying guns and hiring bodyguards…

Posted by: American Jim | January 20, 2011, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

It is reassuring to read the previous comments. Unfortunately, our representatives waste far too much time pursuing useless and ineffective legislation as a knee jerk reaction to current events. Shame on the media for being a willing co-conspiritor. Was there a single comment in this “news” story that showed an alternate viewpoint?

Posted by: Tim | January 20, 2011, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Of course McCarthy understands the Constitution but McCarthy and others like she is, feel they know better. They can’t just come right out and say that, so they couch their rhetoric on top of the Constitution and they will look the other way knowing magazines can be changed in well under a second. Magazine restrictions would be only the precedent setting beginning for people like McCarthy.

Posted by: Tim Bates | January 20, 2011, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

I am so Tiried of this crap . But I guess there will always be Dem.

Posted by: H .B. Martin | January 20, 2011, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Has anyone ever seen the movie RED DAWN?It was about a surprise invation 0f the US by the Soviets.If it were not for some brave teenagers with guts and guns the Soviets would have won. I f these antigun idiots want to live under that kind of government ship them off to Russia.If Russia doesn’t appeal to them maybe Britain will they don’t allow private gun ownership there.

Posted by: dave | January 20, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Gabby Giffords and I both own the Glock model 19, which holds 15 rounds of ammunition, but under McCarthy’s bill our magazines would become illegal.If the Democrats are allowed to restrict capacity to 10 rounds, what’s to stop them from reducing capacity to 6 rounds next year and three rounds the year after? Democrats can’t be trusted to protect our Constitutional rights, vote them all out in 2012.

Posted by: William Douglas | January 20, 2011, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

McCarthy and Lautenberg are like ghouls, shuffling in the bowels of the Capitol, doing nothing, becoming animated only when they can dance in the blood of tragedy.

Posted by: magnum_force | January 20, 2011, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Very proud of my fellow “posters” who fully realize that “feel good” legislation will not stop a criminal or a maniac. However, the military has got to start reporting to local authorities when someone flunks the psychiatric exam or admits significant illegal drug use as Giffords assailant did. If just one person nearby in Tucson or someone on McCarthy’s husband’s train had been carrying…

Posted by: A James | January 20, 2011, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

High capacity magazine bans are nothing more than feel good measures. I am tired of liberals attacking my 2nd Amendment rights so they can continue with the fantasy that the weapon committed the crime. Blame the criminal not the tool.

Posted by: David Wayson | January 20, 2011, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

I agree with everyone vote for the other guy or girl get those fu—- dip sh–s out of power.Ill vote for the pro gun guy every time.And if they had open carry in every state those nut jobs might think twice.

Posted by: Adam | January 20, 2011, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

Also my dad was shot when I was a 3 mounths old and the guy that shot him was a nut job that just got out for catching his brother on fire with gas.And guess what they let him out and he used my dad as target practice.When he was hard at work for the street dept.And I love my gun rights so she needs to quit useing her husband and son as a copout.And get over it and leave ower gun rights the hell alone.And worry about the unemployment in this country at a all time high.

Posted by: Adam | January 20, 2011, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Amazing how members of congress can carry firearms, in DC no less. I work in DC but no way can I bring my handgun into the city, even though I have a VA (non-resident) concealed carry permit. Unfortunately, Hoyer represents the part of Maryland that is comprised of “city folk” which makes this state democratic. Well, Sen. Hoyer, allow ME to be the “first” sportsman in Maryland to complain about the moronic gun control laws in Maryland. I am an Army veteran, fought for my country, at the time, I shot a true automatic weapon. I guess I am no longer worthy.

Posted by: Dan | January 20, 2011, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

im with all these comments especially for the 10 round limit.my 9mm came with a 17 round clip as standard equipment.

Posted by: ted409 | January 21, 2011, 1:42 am 1:42 am

I guess these morons writing bills never seen a gun competition, where 6 round revolvers are reloaded faster than handguns with magazines. These guys shoot 18 rounds from a 6 round gun in seconds. Mccarthy is ignorant. This ban would do nothing to curb crime just as the failed assault weapons ban.

Posted by: infoslinger | January 22, 2011, 8:38 am 8:38 am

With gangs roving around in many cities “high capacity” magazines are a requirement for self-defense. It isn’t like a person is likely to hit and kill multiple attackers using one bullet for each of them.
Of course, the point of the 2nd amendment is so that citizens have the capacity to overhrow the government if it becomes too oppressive. A dedicated guerrilla army is not to be taken lightly (i.e. Vietnam).
If the government can disarm its population in as many ways as possibly – take away their free speech, political abilities and right to bear arms then there is no check on what they can do and what rights they will violate.

Posted by: TheGoodLocust | January 22, 2011, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

On this 1000 ft. thing-
Why do certain elected lawmakers feel that it is anything other than the tiger showing the true color of its stripes when they attempt to restrict the freedoms of the law-abiding while retaining those same freedoms for themselves? That bill sounds like something only a cowardly tyrant would write or vote for.

Posted by: JOHN | January 22, 2011, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

N Telling said: “Make it mandatory all congressional staff members(McCarthy especially) be armed”…
The irony here are that many members of Congress, including those who want to pass gun control laws against their constituents, have weapons permits themselves.
This is another case of “do as I say, not as I do.”

Posted by: Ashram | January 22, 2011, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

“High-capacity clips, in my view, essentially have the purpose of taking a lot of lives quickly,” Hoyer, D-Maryland, said. “If this individual, had he had a 12 capacity clip [instead of 31 rounds], there might have been a lot of lives saved….
Ok, so it was the high capacity magazine that killed all those people, not the individual with known mental issues I suppose. I would argue that ‘all’ lives would have been saved had a man with know mental illness had not been able to legally acquire a handgun.
The issue is not the instrument but the user of the instrument and the failure of other agencies.
Eliminating 30 round ‘clips’ does not stop persons with know mental illness from legally obtaining a gun with a 10 round ‘clip’.

Posted by: Charles h | January 23, 2011, 7:52 am 7:52 am

To John who posted on 19 Jan 2011. First, what more reason than Constitutional rights do you need? Second, I’m a law abiding citizen so why should I be punished by ever restrictive gun laws. My guns, regardless of capacity, have never killed anyone. Why can’t I own high capacity magazines if I choose to? If freedom isn’t a good reason, you have probably never done anything that could be considered as protecting said freedom. Heck, you probably blame spoons for making people fat.

Posted by: Dutchman | January 24, 2011, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

McCarthy still can’t get it through her thick-head that it is a NY City Law and a little part of a Nassau County Law that allowed Colin Ferguson to do what he did to her family and the other people on that train that day.
The size of the magazine doesn’t matter when no one else has a gun!
Who said it was even loaded to the max? I haven’t heard of a 31-round magazine for any gun!
Those people standing around to take him down, why didn’t they have guns with them for AZ is a carry state?

Posted by: IamWhoIam | January 25, 2011, 5:40 am 5:40 am

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones
Albert Einstien

Posted by: Bob | January 25, 2011, 11:13 am 11:13 am

They, politicians, don’t have a clue. They have no grasp of reality. 1. These laws only effect legal, law abiding, gun owners. 2. This won’t make hi-cap mags magically disappear. Like a padlock on a door it is simply meant to keep the honest, honest. If a criminal is intent to get a hi-cap mag. guess what? He/She will get it regardless of the law.

Posted by: Middle of the road | January 25, 2011, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

They, politicians, don’t have a clue. They have no grasp of reality. 1. These laws only effect legal, law abiding, gun owners. 2. This won’t make hi-cap mags magically disappear. Like a padlock on a door it is simply meant to keep the honest, honest. If a criminal is intent to get a hi-cap mag. guess what? He/She will get it regardless of the law.

Posted by: Middle of the road | January 25, 2011, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

You know, the airplanes that they use to fly into the twin towers had max fuel onboard, because the terrorist bought as many tickets as they could to make sure of that. I think while we are at we should limit all airplanes to enough fuel to fly only 100 miles. It would not have mattered if this nut had 10 round magazines or 100 round magazines. Someone really needs to grow a brain before they start making laws on something they know nothing about.

Posted by: Logic1234 | January 25, 2011, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Let’s ban all high-velocity cars, which kill FAR more people than guns. Surely car owners, for sporting purposes, will agree to a vehicle that can only go 20mph? That will help stop senseless acts of violence.
Let’s also ban glasses that hold more than 3 ounces, to stop drunk driving.
While we’re at it, let’s ban passenger vehicles that hold more than 4 people, to stop mass deaths from tragic van accidents.

Posted by: Dan Houser | January 26, 2011, 7:04 am 7:04 am

Maybe a law should be enacted that requires all congressmen/women to cease all public appearance of any kind. Without this law they would be endangering the lives of the general public by placing them in the line of fire. As for the rest of the law abiding citizens of the US, we will take our chances while maintaining our legal right to bear arms and protect ourselves.

Posted by: gman | January 26, 2011, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

“How many people have to die because of these clips?”
So the clip told him or made him pull the trigger? I’m confused.

Posted by: me | January 30, 2011, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Clips are for hair. Magazines for for guns. Feel free to ban “clips”.

Posted by: Pat | February 7, 2011, 10:40 am 10:40 am

I am an EPSC and IDPA competative shooter. I have had training from black water instructors, world champions, and from theUSAMU at Ft. Benning. One major thing that any shooter trains to do, is to reload a magazine affectively. Without any real training, all a person would need to do is go on youtube and look at how to do it. I mean look at Travis Tomasie, he can reload his 1911 in 1/4 of a second. Lowering the capacit is just a stupid excuse…

Posted by: Johnathan | February 9, 2011, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

First lets start this off by saying Senator Lautenburg is attacking our rights. The right to defend your family, life and properly. If they really want to institute a ban capacity. Then i better see police and the military use 10 round magazines as well. I wouldnt want some cop with a Glock18 with a 33 round mag if i cant have one. And lets call this ban for what it is Idiocracy. a 30 round magazine is “normal capacity” a “high capacity” would be a 45,90, and 100 drum or magazine. I would hate to see America go backl to the Assault Weapons Ban and have this magazine restriction. I served in the Army for 5 years and i didnt serve so that we can become a police state. no sir i did not. I carry (CCW) concealed all the time and i use normal capacity magazines. I do own a few “high” cap mags but they are not for the sole purpose of defense there is alot of fun in shooting alot of rounds and you dont have to reload as often making shooting faster to do.
Summary: Senator Lautenburg I sincerely hope you reconsider. And next time you encounter someone and a gun fight happens i hope a member of your staff doesnt say ” sorry boss gott reload” every 30 seconds. because your life counts on it.

Posted by: robert | February 14, 2011, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

And for those that oppose us carrying “military weapons” . you have no idea what you are saying. Military style weapons really. Doesnt make a differance if it sporterized or in military configeration . Defense is defense. it is not only about our rights its about the idea of our rights as well . And for the sake of the military style weapons , military style weapons are for use by the MILITARY. an AR15 or M4 is the same thing differant characteristics. And those that do what military style wepaons are in full auto and you pay alot of money for that class 3 license. So if i want an AK 47 or Thompson by god ill purchase one.. if i want to ..

Posted by: robert | February 14, 2011, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Also let get this straight my personal purpose for owning a gun is not only for defense but for liesure. But the main goal is for defense just in case the US decided to deployed 3rd brigade Stryker Battalion to our lovely streets in case os civil unrest. A gun in that time would be most useful…its about survival and defending against tyranny

Posted by: robert | February 14, 2011, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

The only that happens when you ban firearms is that criminals use other tools, like baseball bats or crowbars or golf clubs or … well, you get the idea. The point then becomes, how many MORE people would this guy have killed if he could just keep swinging a club like instrument?

Also, a magazine is a device normally shaped like a box (other shapes are used) that can be inserted into a firearm to reload it. A clip is a device that holds rounds on it that you either insert fully into a firearm that usually does not accept a magazine to reload it, or use to reload a magazine by ‘stripping’ the rounds from it into the magazine, also known as a ‘stripper clip.’

Posted by: Den | February 13, 2012, 2:00 am 2:00 am

PS: Really?

“It is a small sacrifice that LAW-ABIDING gun owners can make once again in order to increase everyone’s safety.”

Why should law-abiding ANYBODY have to make a sacrifice? Aren’t there already laws on the books that make it illegal to murder, rape, or cause grievous bodily harm? Why should I have to SACRIFICE my rights as a law-abiding citizen when it’s those dumb punks on the street that I’m protecting my self from? You think felons are going to go, “Oh, it’s illegal? Well SNAP!!! Here, let me just give you my firearms, sine it’s illegal now. I hope I didn’t bother you!” Yeah, that’s it, they’re going to bow down because you made it ILLEGAL for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves in the most efficient way possible. I think more people would have been saved if you could CARRY in NYC.

Posted by: Den | February 13, 2012, 2:06 am 2:06 am

Just wanting to say nice post.

Posted by: Annelle Perschall | March 23, 2012, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

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