President Obama Redefines the Term “Exit Strategy”
In an interview with Univision Tuesday, President Obama re-defined the term “exit strategy,” and said our exit strategy in Libya would begin this week.
“The exit strategy will be executed this week,” President Obama said, “in the sense that we will be pulling back from our much more active efforts to shape the environment. We will still be in a support role. We will be supplying jamming, intelligence and other assets unique to us."
Planes in the air? Ships in the Mediterranean? Intelligence being provided? Doesn’t sound like an exit strategy at all.
What it does recall is Lewis Carroll.
"'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
From the beginning of this suddenly-announced military campaign, the White House has been making great efforts to under-sell the US role and emphasize the participation of European allies and Arab partners. Even those Arab partners like the UAE that ultimately didn’t contribute military assets as White House officials say they had been led to believe.
Last week the President said “the United States will contribute our unique capabilities at the front end of the mission to protect Libyan civilians, and enable the enforcement of a no-fly zone that will be led by our international partners.”
Yesterday, Defense Secretary Gates, talking about who would take over for the US and when, said, "this command and control business is complicated. We haven’t done something like this, kind of on the fly before. And so it’s not surprising to me that it would take a few days to get it all sorted out."
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Jake, you hit the nail right on the head. Not only do we not have an exit strategy, we didn’t have an entrance strategy. The king just declared war without asking anyone and so it was.
Then, in typical royal fashion, he and the family went on yet another vacation and let the peons worry about how to handle another war.
Posted by: JMW | March 23, 2011, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Tapper, you need to get a lot more cynical than that. Just imagine how many times in the past Obama has chosen his words in a way that are self-serving, and inaccurate, and yet were reported at face value.
Obama has no excuse, and there is no excuse for the press to make it easy on him.
Posted by: Mike, CO | March 23, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
“Who are you going to believe, me (Obama) or your own eyes?” – Groucho Marx
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Why even go in in the first place when you were so hesitant to do it and you can’t wait to get out?
Posted by: Jose | March 23, 2011, 9:45 am 9:45 am
He’s the Clueless Wonder.
Posted by: F | March 23, 2011, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Our military is the best in the world, and there is a great chance this campaign will be a great thing for the people of Libya.
It is a shame it has been so poorly communicated and defined. The last statement from Gates is distressing.
Posted by: MayBee | March 23, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
About 2,200 Camp Lejuene Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, or 26th MEU are going to be boots on the ground in Libya…
Posted by: Bo, PWD | March 23, 2011, 10:01 am 10:01 am
BIDEN FLASHBACK: ‘If he gives authorization to war… without Congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!’
OBAMA __________VS__________ AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Keep up the good work, Jake. Nice to see that critical thinking still exists in the media.
Posted by: ConservativeWoman | March 23, 2011, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Germans pull forces out of NATO; Libyan coalition falls apart…
OBAMA________VS_______ AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 10:14 am 10:14 am
GATES: ‘We haven’t done something like this kind of on-the-fly before’…
Thats what you get with Obama Mr. Gates
“on the fly” healthcare, stimulus, war,
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Is the US military going to be involved long term in Libya?
It depends on what your definition of “is” is.
Where have we seen this kind of doublespeak before?
Posted by: Joe White | March 23, 2011, 10:18 am 10:18 am
“About 2,200 Camp Lejuene Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, or 26th MEU are going to be boots on the ground in Libya…”
If they are leaving their barracks in Lejeune, they are “exiting” a building, right?…Yay for stratergery!
Posted by: Crazy Joe | March 23, 2011, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Vice President Biden said he would lead the charge to impeach Obama if he took us to war without Congressional approval..
So, here we are, Joe…Put up or shut up..
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 10:26 am 10:26 am
No nation has the resources we have. Just because a foreigner might speak at the press conferences doesn’t mean the USA isn’t running this show. We cannot hand this over to anyone else.
Posted by: lfrichar | March 23, 2011, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Yesterday, Defense Secretary Gates, talking about who would take over for the US and when, said, “this command and control business is complicated. We haven’t done something like this, kind of on the fly before. And so it’s not surprising to me that it would take a few days to get it all sorted out.”
The US military has never, ever been involved in any operations involving aircraft except for WW1, WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam, both conflicts involving Iraq, the previous air attack on Libya, the operations ongoing in Afghanistan as well as years of training and development by all branches of the armed forces (including the Nat’l Guard) with a wide variety of aircraft from helicopters to VTOL to bombers to cargo aircraft (apparently, even satellities have been involved in such stuff, but nobody really knows! Hush it’s a secret…) and additonal work with NATO and many other nations that involves all kinds of flight operations. So Gates is right, this is complex and may take a few days to get “sorted out.”
Posted by: Prop | March 23, 2011, 10:40 am 10:40 am
“this command and control business is complicated.” Gates
No contingency plan? Amazing and unbelievable. Or does this have to do with the indecisive guy sitting in the Oval Office?
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 10:51 am 10:51 am
“”"”So Gates is right, this is complex and may take a few days to get “sorted out.”"”"”"
Posted by: Prop
Well, getting things “sorted out” is basically saying we didn’t have a “plan”. I mean, they’ve only had 6 WEEKS since Gadhafi started bombing his people, you would think that’s enough time to “sort things out” (ie come up with a plan).
Posted by: lfrichar | March 23, 2011, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Our role, puts us squarely in the position of an aggressor, and it would be entirely feasible for Libya to declare war against the US.
More importantly, if we continue to use the military in Libya, the Congress has an obligation to either declare war against Libya, or to cut all funding for any military activity in Libya.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | March 23, 2011, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“The exit strategy will be executed this week,” President Obama said, we will be supplying jamming, intelligence and other assets unique to us.”
So we are exiting and then will supply services unique to the USA.
? ? ? ? ? ?
There’s something seriously wrong with Obama.
Posted by: Noz | March 23, 2011, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Prop, you left out Kosovo, Bosnia and the 1914 operation in Veracruz, Mexico. And the 1986 strike against Libya.
What we haven’t done before is fiddle around with some goofy bureaucratic nonsense about who is in charge. But Gates can’t say that.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 23, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Well the voters are going to redefine the term exit strategy come November 2012.
Posted by: EPU | March 23, 2011, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Well, getting things “sorted out” is basically saying we didn’t have a “plan”. I mean, they’ve only had 6 WEEKS since Gadhafi started bombing his people, you would think that’s enough time to “sort things out” (ie come up with a plan).
He should have said “sortied out.” Get it. Sorties, that’s plane stuff! That also means “exit” in Francais! man, I crack myself up.
And Fascist Hyena I purposely left out the whole Bosnia thing because an embassy got blown up accidentally. But civilians were saved!
Posted by: Prop | March 23, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am
I am trying very hard to remember anyone in the last century that I’ve either witnessed first hand, or read about that was as inept at foreign policy as those in this administration. If you thought Bush hurt our status around the world, at least there was some status to hurt! Obama is in so far over his head….I can’t come up with a deserving analogy.
Posted by: GMan | March 23, 2011, 11:49 am 11:49 am
That is what happens when you allow President Sarkozy to lead you down the path of a third Mideast War.
Let France take the Leadership since President Sarkozy needs the victory to shore up his dwindling ratings and get Oil and Construction Contacts for French Companies in post-Gadhafi Libya.
The Leadership can be thrust on Italy, since the ill-planned intervention has given Berlusconi the needed reprieve from his Legal woes.
Posted by: Dare Taiwio | March 23, 2011, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Where was all this angst and fury when Bush took us into an unlawful war..no wmd’s and everyone knew it. Even now, when more and more comes out about how we were lied to and duped…still no anger at Bush. This president did not take us into a war but is giving cover to people who are being killed by a dictator and he did what he said he would. He got other countries to get involved and share the costs and to take over when he is ready to step out. These were the conditions for America to get involved and they knew that and accepted it because we had the planes and power. You will see, if you give him a chance, he will get us out and do what he says he will. First the reps were complaining he was not acting at all not fast enough now they are saying he acted too fast…republicans get your story straight…you can’t have it both ways. And Mcain…stop flip flopping again..as you did with many things like you hated the wall to keep out immigrants and when you ran you yelled…”get this wall built.” you always said you and Palin were mavricks and now you even deny this…please take a side and stick with it.
Posted by: talmag | March 23, 2011, 11:58 am 11:58 am
“You will see, if you give him a chance, he will get us out and do what he says he will.”
Like closing Gitmo!
Posted by: Pvt. Manning | March 23, 2011, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
-The Leadership can be thrust on Italy, since the ill-planned intervention has given Berlusconi the needed reprieve from his Legal woes.-
I say thrust the leadership on “Little Italy.” Business, just business…Capiche?
Posted by: Sonny C. | March 23, 2011, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Our troops being lead by a political steering committe of who knows who. What a know nothing, scared to lead President in my life time. I would like to see him impeached for many things. Maybe his Czars are still trying to figure things out.
Posted by: Freedom | March 23, 2011, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Our troops being lead by a political steering committe of who knows who. What a know nothing, scared to lead President in my life time. I would like to see him impeached for many things. Maybe his Czars are still trying to figure things out.
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So things will take a few days. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Blame it on Rio | March 23, 2011, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
No other president got permission for a fly over which is what this is…and there was no angst or anger over it because it was not Obama. Either way…he can’t catch a break. At least he got a coalition to act and did not act alone like Bush did.he did not take us into a war where thousands have died and we are still paying for. Talk about campaigning and lying..how about the jobs the republicans promised us..they have not even addressed this…they are too busy taking away women’s rights, working on abortion rules we fought for years ago and now they want to take them away and the other thing that is important to them is busting unions hoping to prevent any democrat from ever winning again. All this with money from the Koch brothers who are getting them to take away the rules instituted by Obama to regulate people’s rights over their credit card control and they want to remove any law that has anything to do with environmental controls because they have oil companies and they don’t want anyone to tell them they need to be careful about their messes. This is what the republicans are about and you know that..the people are now awake…realizing that what was promised while campaigning is not happening but what is happening is that the republicans are giving all kinds of money to corporations while at the same time crying state deficits..how can they afford to give this money to corporations who are making record profits during a recession and then ask the teachers, firemen and cops to pay for what they just did. Are you awake America????
Posted by: talmag | March 23, 2011, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Oh my, the right-wingers are in such a twist because America is learning to cooperate with other nations when dealing with international crises and affairs instead of just browbeating everybody. Unfortunately for them if they want this nation to continue to be the world’s unmitigated policeman they’re going to have to explain to the public how they intend to pay for it in today’s harsh financial climate without totally gutting all our major social programs. -Good luck with that.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
A interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, Joe Biden clearly states his position that a President should be impeached for launching an attack on a nation that hasn’t attacked the United States.
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Posted by: Barking Spider | March 23, 2011, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
“At least he got a coalition to act and did not act alone like Bush did.”
Bush was all alone, except for congressional support (Hillary!) and troops from England, Australia, Moldova, Denmark, Japan, Singapore, Polans, Spain, Italy, Tonga, Mongolia…
Posted by: By Myself | March 23, 2011, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Also backing the rebels — al Qaeda…
Ahhhh the Obama plan is coming together nicely
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
OBAMA: No ground troops, no matter what happens…
Uhhhhhhhh … tell that to the 2000 Marines that just left
OBAMA________VS_________AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Talmag,Skip-would you be willing to see your child killed in action in Libya with the way things have been done by this administration?
Posted by: Nephron | March 23, 2011, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
“A interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, Joe Biden clearly states his position that a President should be impeached for launching an attack on a nation that hasn’t attacked the United States”
You should hear what Obama said a few years ago.
Posted by: Leg Tingle | March 23, 2011, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
the Obama plan is coming together nicely
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Obama’s dedicated detractors have no plan or alternative suggestions whatsoever and nothing but worthless open-ended criticism. Prove me wrong…what should we be doing instead?
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Be advised there will be no news on Obamas blunders tonight.. the news organizations will use Liz Taylors death and CBS crawling back to Charlie Sheen for it next full month of coverage…LMAO
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
It is clearly apparent that this President refuses to interrupt his planned vacation time (what in hell is he doing in South America to discuss “economics” when ours is still going to hell in a handbasket….a guise for a vacation. There are many of us who had to unplan family plans in pursuing our jobs….but I guess it is different for this “leader”…..gives us the usual television routine about what it is HE is doing now, then packs his bags for a vacation ( which it really was)….AND LEFT ALL OF US HOLDING THE BAG AGAIN.. Clearly the POTUS has no concept at toiling away at his J O B…….and when he does work, it is nothing more than a display of his ineptitude for the job he holds, and probably shouldn’t if we could get the legislative branch to do their damned job. I find the state of our nation somewhat tummy-tossing, ambivalent, and discouraging. He will return to Washington and start his joyriding around in Air Force One to concentrate on his re-election campaigning while we sit back, hope for the best for the USA, and NOTHING happens…………………if we have to impeach him, so be it. … and I hear that Bush did it once more, I will literally get ill to my stomach…the news of the day is that Obama is the POTUS, not George Bush………………..so save your words, those of you who are advocates of the trainee we put in the White House. We want aomeone who advocates for this nation and not a “one worlder.”
Posted by: justj joey | March 23, 2011, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 12:24:39 PM
Can’t say I’m all that worried, Skippy. I’ve got no problem paying the tax on private planes, I send my kids to private school and waivers, gotta love them waivers. Thanks for your support!
Posted by: D MO | March 23, 2011, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Germans pull forces out of NATO; Libyan coalition falls apart…
Allies in disarray…
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Obama’s “exit strategy” :
Beuller? Beuller? Anyone, anyone???
Posted by: mary | March 23, 2011, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Rebellion in Bahrain
Rebellion in Yemen
Rebellion in Iran
When will Obama order the bombs to begin falling to “save” the oppressed in these countries?????
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
“Prove me wrong…what should we be doing instead?”
What we did in Darfur, the Ivory Coast, Bahrain, Iran…!
Posted by: Hemmin Haw | March 23, 2011, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? Anyone?
Posted by: mary | March 23, 2011, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
His presidency is truly frightening. Clearly, he is not wired for this job based on his core convictions and background.
His role as community organizer was not as a leader but more as a consultant. He would go into neighborhoods to plant seeds of discontent followed by “suggestions” on how to achieve the goal of alleviating it. He never had to make a decision, nor suffer the consequences of one.
Putting political views aside, one cannot deny the fact that he is not cut out for the job as he, as well as his supporters, slowly arrive to this conclusion.
For the sake of the country I would implore his supporters to at least be honest about this.
Posted by: Not a Leader | March 23, 2011, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
You could call it a Lewis Carroll moment, you could call it a George Orwell moment, or you could call it a Joe Wilson moment:
“You LIE!”
Posted by: Peace Redistribution Czar | March 23, 2011, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Darfur, the Ivory Coast, Bahrain, Iran
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Has the UN and international community called for military action to protect the citizens of these countries from their respective governments?
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
“Talmag,Skip-would you be willing to see your child killed in action in Libya with the way things have been done by this administration?”
Speaking of such things, I’m so glad you didn’t bring up the issue of Private Manning. I can’t imagine why this sort of thing would happen under Obama! He must not really know what is happening.
Posted by: CINC | March 23, 2011, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Putting political views aside, one cannot deny the fact that he is not cut out for the job as he, as well as his supporters, slowly arrive to this conclusion
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Another sorry attempt to pass off right-wing opinion as fact. The conclusion we have arrived at quite certainly is the Republicans have absolutely no better alternative to offer.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
skip…Obama will not rein as President forever….If he has broken the Constitutional rules, not taking the situation of Libya to Congress, then he should be impeached or whatever for the good of the Country and to set up precedence for future Presidents…This is not about global cooperation, this is about our Country’s Constitution, the frame work of our success as a Country….If your willing to put the UN in charge of our future….Just say so…
Posted by: Parallex View | March 23, 2011, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Has the UN and international community called for military action to protect the citizens of these countries from their respective governments?
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I get it. We have to wait for the UN to tell us about bad stuff and if we should do anything. That’s a relief…Nothing to worry about, no killing, starvation, torture, just simple misunderstandings.
Posted by: Relieved | March 23, 2011, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
“what should we be doing instead?”-If Gates says that our policy is being made up on the fly (!!!) we have no coherent policy at all.It should be evident by now that Gadhafi is not going to be removed by the rebels at this point.He is still capable of attacking them;he is militarily superior to them; he will still be able to massacre them once the coalition gives up its air attacks.The only option now to remove Gadhafi is ground troops-that is the consequence of your idiot Messiah’s failure to take action weeks ago when it might have mattered.Even then he did not state a mission-but now Gadhafi “has to go”.this is the consequence of Affirmative Action- an inexperienced and ignorant tyro put forth by the media as something that he obviously is not.Look at new home sales today-after 2 years they still stink.Everything he touches is turning to crap.
Posted by: Nephron | March 23, 2011, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Is it now considered a “humanitarian crisis” when Muslim extremist men take up arms against their country and then begin getting destroyed by government forces?
Posted by: OxyCon | March 23, 2011, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Talmag, you said it all!
Jake, I don’t know why you are confused about how we will “begin our exit strategy”. In your rush to criticize you seem to have forgotten what the word ‘begin’ means. And since when does an exit strategy mean ending all involvement immediately? If we are providing jamming, intel and other unique assets, it means our planes won’t be bombing (not a unique asset) so our direct involvement will be greatly lessened. Obviously, how long anyone will need to continue enforcing the no-fly zone will depend on the Libyan freedom fighters.
And Jake, the quote from Lewis Carroll made you sound like a cranky curmudgeon, not like a professional journalist.
Posted by: Lydia | March 23, 2011, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
failure to take action weeks ago when it might have mattered
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At least you’re hinting that you realize the level of uncertainty in all this whether you’ll ever openly admit to it or not. Flexible policies are much more effective in uncertain situations despite them being characterized as indecisive by opportunistic critics. Weeks ago we didn’t have the support of the Arab League or the UN.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
The only option now to remove Gadhafi is ground troops
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That is certainly not the only possibility. Once meeting stiff opposition Gaddafi’s supporters may abandon him.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
–Weeks ago we didn’t have the support of the Arab League or the UN.–
here ya go Skip:
“Even those Arab partners like the UAE that ultimately didn’t contribute military assets as White House officials say they had been led to believe.”
Posted by: Changey Change | March 23, 2011, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Look at new home sales today-after 2 years they still stink
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What legislation are the Republicans working on to fix it? They’ve been in office for months now but their approval numbers are starting to tank because it looks like they’re just dilly-dallying around fighting over token budget cuts and trying to blame all our financial difficulties on unions and teachers, as usual.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Weeks ago we didn’t have the support of the Arab League or the UN.
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 1:14:21 PM
So, Obama needed support of the Arab League and the UN, but didn’t need support from Congress?
Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 23, 2011, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
What legislation are the Republicans working on to fix it? They’ve been in office for months now but their approval numbers are starting to tank because it looks like they’re just dilly-dallying around fighting over token budget cuts and trying to blame all our financial difficulties on unions and teachers, as usual.
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 1:28:40 PM
What is the President doing? Ignoring his own committee? Waiting for the Republicans because he wants to make them look like the bad guys?
The economy will not turn around until Obama and the rest of his anti business regime are gone.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 23, 2011, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
“…dilly-dallying around fighting”
Where have I heard that before?
Posted by: Gates | March 23, 2011, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
“Where was all this angst and fury when Bush took us into an unlawful war..no wmd’s and everyone knew it.”
If everyone knew that, tell us which democrats or Republicans knew there were no WMDs in Iran?
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Why was my not not poster because I said the President was a Jack Ass well its true ,understand its ABC News,one of his followers .
Posted by: Joseph | March 23, 2011, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
The economy will not turn around until Obama and the rest of his anti business regime are gone
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-and replaced by Republicans of the same mindset and policies which crashed the economy in the first place. It’s going to be a tough sell, especially since Republicans are either not willing or able to keep their promise to create jobs.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
talmag – we are not just “flying over” we have actually launched Tomahawk missiles. Why??? O-I-L
Posted by: mj | March 23, 2011, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Just J Joey – and do not forget that M and the girls are still on vacation visiting the Mayan ruins. Another plane and another boat load of money and fuel…. Hopefully I will get a vacation this year too. :O))
Posted by: mj | March 23, 2011, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Skip you wouldn’t happen to be one of the 35% whose source of income is the government would you?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 23, 2011, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Prove me wrong…what should we be doing instead?
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 12:33:17 PM
Minding our own business.
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | March 23, 2011, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
“Why??? O-I-L”
Nah..It’s not about oil any more than Iraq was about oil. Libya and Iraq and the other oil states will always have their oil and sell it to the highest bidder, no matter what their governments look like. Oil is a fungible commodity.
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
talmag says, At least he got a coalition to act and did not act alone like Bush did
This is a lie. Bush had a bigger coalition and did not “act alone.”
Posted by: Traffic Cop Timmy | March 23, 2011, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Oh my, the right-wingers are in such a twist because America is learning to cooperate with other nations when dealing with international crises and affairs instead of just browbeating everybody.
POSTED BY: SKIP | MAR 23, 2011 12:24:39 PM
Sure, skip. And in the meantime, China and Russia are throwing a fit; Germany is pulling equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement in the campaign’s direction; Gates has had words with the UK over whether or not Ghadafi should be killed; the no-fly zone has been called into question; Italy is going to ‘take back control’ of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership is put in charge of the mission; NATO ambassadors are having heated arguments over what the mission is/should be; meanwhile WE are fighting a war in which we have NO IDEA who we are assisting (we don’t know who the rebels are or who is leading them-this has been a KEY issue even discussed on MSNBC!!), we don’t have the money for, and no idea what the resolution will be. Gee, so glad we have ‘learned to cooperate with other nations’ or we’d be in a big mess, huh skip?
Posted by: Shoe | March 23, 2011, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
talmag: “At least he got a coalition to act and did not act alone like Bush did.”
That’s freakin’ hilarious, considering Bush had more parties willing to help in Iraq than Obama has in Libya.
That’s our friend talmag: never letting the facts get in the way of a good argument.
Posted by: Jose | March 23, 2011, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Protests in Syria are violent with people being killed by the government.
Is Obama going to war with Syria over this? Will there be Tomahawks landing soon? No fly zone coming? Why is this any different than Libya?
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
you wouldn’t happen to be one of the 35% whose source of income is the government would you?
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No
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
so glad we have ‘learned to cooperate with other nations’ or we’d be in a big mess
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Yeah like Iraq. How’d you like those ‘freedom fries’?
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
We will exit as soon as we depose a leader who for the last 10 years has sponsored no terrorism and install al Queda or the equivalent thereof.
Posted by: karek40 | March 23, 2011, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“What legislation are the Republicans working on to fix it?”
Outdated liberalism in a nutshell: if there is a problem, it can and should be solved by federal legislation. Per corollary, no existing problem could possibly have been caused by previous federal legislation.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 23, 2011, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
We need a good civil war in THIS country.
Posted by: Joseph Smythe | March 23, 2011, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
The whole handling of the Libya affair makes the Iraq war look well-planned and honest.
Posted by: JL | March 23, 2011, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Nation Building…. Obama Style.
Posted by: Denbo | March 23, 2011, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
you wouldn’t happen to be one of the 35% whose source of income is the government would you?
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No
Grew up in a union household?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | March 23, 2011, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
OPERATION HEAD-LESS CHICKEN!
Posted by: John Svengali | March 23, 2011, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Obama’s exit strategy was going to Rio.
Posted by: drjohn | March 23, 2011, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
OPERATION DEFINITE MAYBE!
Posted by: John Svengali | March 23, 2011, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
It makes me laugh to see someone saying that the republicans aren’t doing enough to generate jobs. How long have we heard democrats say that it would take time to undo the mess republicans put us in? Now these same democrats are complaining that republicans can’t undo the mess (in addition to the hole that Obama is digging) in a few months. At least try to be consistent, unless what you’re saying is that republicans should be able to get us out of the mess faster because they are somehow better at it.
Posted by: John | March 23, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
It makes me laugh to see someone saying that the republicans aren’t doing enough to generate jobs. How long have we heard democrats say that it would take time to undo the mess republicans put us in? Now these same democrats are complaining that republicans can’t undo the mess (in addition to the hole that Obama is digging) in a few months. At least try to be consistent, unless what you’re saying is that republicans should be able to get us out of the mess faster because they are somehow better at it.
Posted by: John | March 23, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
unless what you’re saying is that republicans should be able to get us out of the mess faster because they are somehow better at it
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No I don’t think they should or even can, but that was precisely their sales-pitch last election.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Mister Obama shows no leadership.
Posted by: young_voter | March 23, 2011, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Up for the Nobel NonPeace prize this time
Posted by: Craig | March 23, 2011, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
The president has a hair trigger! Are we shooting from the hip? Cowboy diplomacy?
Act now…..formulate a justification, coalition, objective, and exit strategy later?
No negotiations? No Sanctions? No evidence?
“Give peace a chance”!
Posted by: natb1 | March 23, 2011, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
If this is a humanitarian mission to help the people of Libya, why are we not being humanitarians in helping those poor people in the Congo, Rwanda and Darfur who are being slaughtered by ruthless dicatators?
Posted by: Rob | March 23, 2011, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Amateur hour wait and see diplomacy and war making. Scary! 2012 can’t come quickly enough.
Posted by: Don | March 23, 2011, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Kudos to ABC News for finally acknowledging that there are gigantic discrepencies between what Obama says and what he does! Thank you for at least critically analyzing the situation instead of blindlessly cheerleading for the man.
Posted by: Craigster | March 23, 2011, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
What legislation are the Republicans working on to fix it? They’ve been in office for months now but their approval numbers are starting to tank because it looks like they’re just dilly-dallying around fighting over token budget cuts and trying to blame all our financial difficulties on unions and teachers, as usual. Skip | Mar 23, 2011 1:28:40 PM
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Skip, the issue is not legislation, it’s policy. The housing market tanked because of President Clinton’s 1999 policy pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite bad loans to promote home sales to minorities. Even the NYT warned against doing this. The damage is already done, and the policy was fixed during the last years of President Bush’s tenure.
Posted by: KMS | March 23, 2011, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Republicans are either not willing or able to keep their promise to create jobs.
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 1:48:04 PM
They ran on bring down the budget and repealing Obamacare. Once these are addressed, businesses will begin hiring again.
Obama spent over 1 Trillion and unemployment has remained at 9% for the longest time since the Great Depression. He increased discretionary spending by 25% in 2008 and 2009. But the Dems (and Obama) can’t find ANYWHERE to cut.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 23, 2011, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
This event in Libya is just dress rehearsal for having to go to Iran when they have the bomb.
Posted by: b | March 23, 2011, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Kudos to ABC News for finally acknowledging that there are gigantic discrepencies between what Obama says and what he does! Thank you for at least critically analyzing the situation instead of blindlessly cheerleading for the man.
Posted by: Craigster | Mar 23, 2011 2:54:56 PM
Now, do the same critical analysis on Obamacare.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 23, 2011, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
This is probably what the Founders were taling about when they expressed concerns that having a standing army around would be a serious temptation to use it foolishly for foreign adventures, as has been the case all my life. Can’t control our own borders or our finances, but we can deploy around the world to make sure everyone else “does it right.” Dem or Republican…who cares. There is no moral high ground when it comes to stupid.
Posted by: StaticKlingon | March 23, 2011, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
>>> We haven’t done something like this, kind of on the fly before. And so it’s not surprising to me that it would take a few days to get it all sorted out.”<<<
Obama is flying by the seat of his pants again. No thought to goal or exit strategy. No thought to funding this war. Our cost is reaching $1billion already.
We have a humanitarian need right on our doorstep – Mexico! Why not fight to rid Mexico – and America – of the drug cartels here?
Posted by: jacaranda | March 23, 2011, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Liars and the lies they tell! I just read an article from wcti 12 saying Marines from Camp Lejeune, North Carolina are preparing to deploy to Lybia.
Posted by: JustAGuy | March 23, 2011, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I wonder if Gates and Obama could be indicted under the patriot act for providing material support to the al Queda terrorists who are running the Libyan rebellion.
These must be the “good” al Queda. I’m sure pentagon dinner guest and current al Queda #1, Anwar al Awlaki would approve.
Posted by: Citizen Occupied America | March 23, 2011, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Bush worked for political solutions for many months, giving Saddam much time to prepare.
Bush obtained a much larger coalition. The Rooskies, and Chicoms were just as “quiet” too.
Bush consulted the US congress. They were for it, before they were against it.
For you 20 & 30 Something kids…don’t forget the Democrats words:
You Naive Hypocrites
Posted by: natb1 | March 23, 2011, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
-and replaced by Republicans of the same mindset and policies which crashed the economy in the first place. It’s going to be a tough sell, especially since Republicans are either not willing or able to keep their promise to create jobs. Skip | Mar 23, 2011 1:48:04 PM
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Skip, Last I checked, the economy crashed after the new Congress came in in 2007. Last I checked, the primary cause of the crash was the housing bubble. Last I checked, that bubble was brought to you courtesy of the 1993 Democrat Congress via the Community Reinvestment Act The Democrats in Congress ridiculed President Bush’s messenger – calling him a racist, and alarmist, and other pro hominim attacks (I saw the hearings).
And of course the Republicans can’t keep their promise to create jobs – they only control 1/3 of the law-making elements of our government. Anything the House does will be shot down by the Senate and/or the Administration. This in spite of the success of President Bush’s (and Republican’s) policies in the early 2000′s that led to a quick recovery from the inhereted Clinton recession and the economic impact of 9/11. I prefer to go with the proven track record rather than a teleprompter.
Posted by: KMS | March 23, 2011, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Remember when the MSM railed against GWB as having no “gravitas”? World leaders snicker in their sleeves at Obama and proceed to do as they damn well please. Meanwhile the MSM keeps trying to convince us of Obama’s enormous gravitas. In fact, he is no more than a dancing clown gadding about the world on a perpetual holiday while playing the role of “II Duce” Benito Mussolini.
Posted by: Boogie | March 23, 2011, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
You know what I am sick to death of hearing about ht egreedy Republicans. Folks there is nothing greedy about working and making money. You Dems should be happy we do since we are supporting you and all your stupid entitlement programs. We got into the economic mess for one major reason only-the Democrats such as Clinton forced the banks and Fanny and Freddie to loan money to people on WELFARE. You idiots that is not income that is MY money and they have no right buying a house if they are to lazy, stupid, or pregnant to work and pay for it themselves. I pay for everything I have and I work hard for it. I have never in my life asked for anything. So blame your selves and know this until we cut the entitlement of welfare and food stamps so you are only eligible for 1 year no matter how many kids you produce we will stay in this mess. If you can not support what you have don’t have any more we know what causes it and dam it get sterilized. And don’t fuss about that, if you can not take care of them its not my job, I pay for mine it is your turn to pay for yours.
Posted by: Fed Up | March 23, 2011, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
It’s just as well that we see what happens when a community organizer lands a man’s job in a minor skirmish. God help us if there were ever a real crisis.
Posted by: drjohn | March 23, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
The housing market tanked because of President Clinton’s 1999 policy pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite bad loans to promote home sales to minorities
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We’ve been over this umpteen times, the public doesn’t buy this old worn out attempt to divert blame from the Republicans for the financial crash and rightfully so; it is common knowledge that most of the bad loans were written in the private sector and there were nowhere near enough minority or even lower income homebuyers to account for the size of the housing bubble.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Let me summarize the US involvement in one word, Obama and his administration are “enept”.
Posted by: Duane | March 23, 2011, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
It’s rinky-dink time in the kindergarten playground again! This WH is completely in over their heads and have made the US look like complete idiots. Calling them rank amateurs would be an afront to all amateurs.
Time for ALL of these losers to go in 2012. God help us till then.
Posted by: JR | March 23, 2011, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
You Dems should be happy we do since we are supporting you and all your stupid entitlement programs
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Another hopelessly biased but potentially voter motivating attempt to claim working class Democrats don’t really work.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
The proper legislation that the Republicans can use to fix things is to not extend the debt ceiling. The US govt revenue is 2.2 trillion a year. without borrowing, spending will have to drop to that level, rather than continue on at 3.7 trillion a year.
That will mean that the unconstitutional government Ponzi pseudo-insurance programs will have to be cut. They are about 60% of the budget, and cutting them to nothing would solve the problem nicely.
Posted by: DonM | March 23, 2011, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
I’ll say it again: Jake, I don’t know why you are confused about how we will “begin our exit strategy”. In your rush to criticize you seem to have forgotten what the word ‘begin’ means. And since when does an exit strategy mean ending all involvement immediately? If we are providing jamming, intel and other unique assets, it means our planes won’t be bombing (not a unique asset) so our direct involvement will be greatly lessened. Obviously, how long anyone will need to continue enforcing the no-fly zone will depend on the Libyan freedom fighters.
Posted by: Lydia | March 23, 2011, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Intersting. Marines have been deployed into Lybia and although they will leave, they will be relieved not extracted. I thought no ground troops. Maybe BO doesn’t know a ground soldier from a pilot or sailor.
Posted by: Mike in LR | March 23, 2011, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Obama is wanting a new president in Libya so that he can go bow to him.
Posted by: Joe White | March 23, 2011, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Obama is wanting a new president in Libya so that he can go bow to him.
Posted by: Joe White | March 23, 2011, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Mike in LR he doesn’t know the difference. He can’t even prounounce corpsman right.
Posted by: Rob | March 23, 2011, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
POSTED BY: SHOE | MAR 23, 2011 2:08:51 PM
Hey, skip, why didn’t you respond to my post? You DO have an argument, right?
Posted by: Shoe | March 23, 2011, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
(inspired by Carl Sandburg’s poem, “Chicago”)
Obama…Policeman for the World,
Tool maker, Stacker of debt,
Player with lives, and the Nation’s fool
Posted by: Quinctilius Varus | March 23, 2011, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Those who can do.
Those who can’t teach.
Those who can’t teach, teach gym.
Those who can’t teach gym become community organizers.
Posted by: Iago | March 23, 2011, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
No Blood for Oil. War criminal. Haliburton, Exxonmobil, guantanamo, soldiers posing with dead civilians in Afghanistan. Not hearing much from the press though…odd.
Posted by: Jeff B | March 23, 2011, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“The exit strategy will be executed this week,” President Obama said
He’s right about that.
Posted by: DOA | March 23, 2011, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Bush’s plan in Iraq turned out to be flawed. But it was developed over months and the mission itself was sold and signed off by the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, the United Nations, NATO, and an array of countries (twice as many as Obama has with Libya).
Obama decides to engage military assets in 24 hours with no plan and no sign off by anyone other than the United Nations Security Counsel (with five members abstaining).
Yet, Bush acted unilaterally and Obama is the coalition builder…
Posted by: Billy Sullivan | March 23, 2011, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Let’s face it folks…time to be honest…the nation elected an incompetent idiot…The Puppet couldn’t find his arse with a compass and a flashlight.
Posted by: MHumen | March 23, 2011, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Oil closes above $105, highest level since Aug 2008…
DRILL BABY DRILL..not you America.. Brazil
Obama will be your best customer/loan officer, and George Soros you best investor
American Jobs need not apply
OBAMA ____________VS __________AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
UPDATE: 15 dead in new clashes in southern Syria city…
Where IS Obama????????????
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
This reminds me asking a line of soldiers to volunteer by stepping forward and everyone (except the US)takes a step backward!
Posted by: Voice_Reason | March 23, 2011, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
As stated before,a policy “kind of on the fly” is no policy at all.To commit American forces without a clearly defined objective is rank incompetence. With a well-defined objective and plan the exit stategy is self-evident:success of the mission.Obama does not have the intelligence nor the leadership skills necessary for this job.This is why college records,transcripts and publications are important.And people claimed Bush was stupid-at least he never committed American forces without a clearly defined objective,unlike Corpseman Obama.
Posted by: Nephron | March 23, 2011, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
BIDEN FLASHBACK: ‘If he gives authorization to war without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!’
GATES: ‘We haven’t done something like this kind of on-the-fly before’…
That 2 acts he can be impeached on concerning upholding the constitution…..lets not forget the marriage act
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
What HASN’T this disgrace of a President lied about?
Posted by: Ron | March 23, 2011, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Also backing the rebels — al Qaeda…
maybe this is whom Obama is handing Libya off too
OBAMA——VS———AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
You will hear none of this on World News Tonight
Posted by: Yep I said that | March 23, 2011, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
It seems Obama put more effort into picking his NCAA bracket than any thought into this dubious Libyan escapade that reeks of Europe shoring up their oil contracts.
As we watch Al Qaeda cheering on the “rebels” of Libya…one can’t help but think Obama might be a complete imbecile.
Posted by: Andrew | March 23, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Jake, perhaps he’s using a different meaning for the word “executed.”
… a dead exit strategy.
Posted by: dave | March 23, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Skip,Talmag-do you guys really think that an “on the fly” war strategy is a good thing?Neither Gates nor Obama was in the country at the start of this-doesn’t that trouble you?Maybe if you had a kid at risk you could understand how cavalier this appears.
Posted by: Nephron | March 23, 2011, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
This wrangling over DETAILS is putting a severe crimp in Obama’s 2012 Campaign efforts and his FAMILY vacations!!!!
WON’T SOMEBODY just TAKE CHARGE of this darn mess so the empty suit can get back to partys and sports???
Posted by: Rufus Levin | March 23, 2011, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Libyans are looking for a new Muslim leader. I nominate Obama.
Posted by: drjohn | March 23, 2011, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
OBAMA SAYS….TIME FOR MY “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” BANNER.
AND FOR ANOTHER PRESS CONF. SPEECH MAYBE…WHATEVER!!
Posted by: Rufus Levin | March 23, 2011, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Oh my, when a community organizer is President….from Drudge
Oil closes above $105, highest level since Aug 2008…
Silver hits 31-year high…
Gold at new record, too…
New Home Sales Plunge; Hit Lowest Level Since Data Tracking Began in 1960s…
US gasoline inventories fall…
Posted by: drjohn | March 23, 2011, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
“As we watch Al Qaeda cheering on the “rebels” of Libya…one can’t help but think Obama might be a complete imbecile.” – Andrew
What do you mean “might be”?
He is a certifiable imbecile.
Our job, as Americans, is to hold on until 2012 so we can purge him from any semblance of power.
Hope dwindles daily.
Change never bothered to show up.
Vote Conservative 2012.
Posted by: Noz | March 23, 2011, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
“Obama is wanting a new president in Libya so that he can go bow to him.”
Maybe Obama ought to volunteer for that job.
Posted by: drjohn | March 23, 2011, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Let’s eee, UK and Italy want NATO to be in charge, France and Turkey don’t want it to be in charge. Meanwhile Germany pulls out of the operation and Norway has its planes sitting and waiting for a decision.
Boy, I’m sure glad they had this command and control thing figured out before the shooting started.
Posted by: Prester John | March 23, 2011, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
15 dead in Syrian unrest.
When do the Tomahawks start landing in Damascus?
Posted by: Prester John | March 23, 2011, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Leaving the other African genocide victims in Darfur to ask Obama, “what are we, black or something?”
The best exit strategy would be to give Obama a sand wedge and a bag of golf balls,(although he is sorely missing the other type) then send him to Libya, and let him hack his way out of that sand trap.
We’ll see you in 30 years.
Posted by: Kelvin | March 23, 2011, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Well Nephron I don’t think it is unreasonable to set up a no-fly zone to stop a level of potential violence that the international community was obviously not comfortable allowing to happen, without committing to a long term plan. Ultimately this matter should be settled by Libyans themselves, ideally in a non-violent manner though it’s apparently unlikely considering Gaddafi’s mania. However since I challenged everybody to suggest a serious alternate plan of action only Traffic Cop Timmy responded and suggested we should stay out of it completely….the only straight up answer so far.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Dah! OMG, people I work with would be fired on the spot for not having a plan. Imagine starting a project at work and not have a:
Commitment from the top execs and acceptance from lower level employees
Mission statement
Requirements
A business plan
Start Date/End Date
Need I go on?
He begged to be in charge and bad-mouthed everyone that was in the White House before him.
Don’t get me wrong, I was also angry with Bush for several things he did and did not do and am an Independent; yes, I can think for myself. But this guy is worse than a joke; he is doing real long-term damage to America.
Just another village idiot.
Posted by: Deb | March 23, 2011, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Your analogy that the crisis in Libya is like a work project is flawed Deb. Let’s ask the Japanese if they’ve formulated all their long term plans and mission statements BEFORE they try to get their damaged reactors under control.
Posted by: Skip | March 23, 2011, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
The Pentagon do doubt had a contingency plan for the Libya situation.
Apparently, the planners failed to take into account that we have a politically correct President who wouldn’t follow a plan. That must be the reason for Gates embarrassing “on the fly” statement.
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 23, 2011, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
unless what you’re saying is that republicans should be able to get us out of the mess faster because they are somehow better at it
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No I don’t think they should or even can, but that was precisely their sales-pitch last election.
- Skip
And it was Obama’s pitch when he ran. Liberal apologists say that Obama couldn’t be expected to do much about the economy because it was so bad, but now expect Republicans to fix it in two months. Either they’re hypocrites or they understand that Democrats can’t create jobs as quickly as Republicans can. Either way is not good for the donkeys.
Posted by: Jose | March 23, 2011, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
“Your analogy that the crisis in Libya is like a work project is flawed Deb. Let’s ask the Japanese if they’ve formulated all their long term plans and mission statements BEFORE they try to get their damaged reactors under control.”
Here ya go Skip (again):
Yesterday, Defense Secretary Gates, talking about who would take over for the US and when, said, “this command and control business is complicated. We haven’t done something like this, kind of on the fly before. And so it’s not surprising to me that it would take a few days to get it all sorted out.”
Awesome, we’re just like the unprepared Japanese!
Posted by: Sushi | March 23, 2011, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
“Either they’re hypocrites or they understand that Democrats can’t create jobs as quickly as Republicans can.”
But Jose, the waiver printing business is booming right now!
Posted by: Watermark | March 23, 2011, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Fubar says it’d be easier to preside over China than America. Will Libya do?
Posted by: Saguaro Jack | March 23, 2011, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Fubar said the Iraq war was the wrong war and the Afghan war was the right war. So the Libya war would be — what, the nonwar war?
Posted by: Saguaro Jack | March 23, 2011, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Fubar says there’s no such thing as a shovel-ready project. For another palty trillion or five he may learn there’s no easy war.
Posted by: Saguaro Jack | March 23, 2011, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
I don’t like Fubar at all, but this insistence on an exit strategy is just dumb. At the presidential level the strategy in war, always, is to keep at it until the other guy quits or your backing dissolves, in which case YOU quit.
Posted by: Saguaro Jack | March 23, 2011, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Skip, it isn’t possible to prepare for every possible contingency. Nuke power IS safe against normal calamities, and with all their experience with quakes, nothing led the Japanese to expect a quake of this magnitude. Either way, it has nothing to do with the safety of nuclear power.
Posted by: Saguaro Jack | March 23, 2011, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Liberal thinking:
Bush needs to be prosecuted for his illegal war!
Hail obama, the smartest person ever!
But he is doing the same things…
Posted by: jncarlos007 | March 23, 2011, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Liberal thinking:
Bush needs to be prosecuted for his illegal war!
Hail obama, the smartest person ever!
But he is doing the same things…
Posted by: jncarlos007 | Mar 23, 2011 7:03:04 PM
Yep, and Skips response will be, “But, but, but, BUSH DID IT FIRST!”
Posted by: wheresmymoney | March 23, 2011, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Wow, this president of ours is so lost in his job. He looks and acts like a chicken without a head.
Posted by: Rick | March 23, 2011, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
The timing of involvment is questionable. If it were a week earlier, the rebels could have had the upper hand and force a regime change. Had we stayed out of it, the current regime would have put an end to it. Getting involved now will only lead to a protracted and unending war with Gadhafi ultimately remaining in power. Why was it done this way? Perhaps the long-term oil price increase from a protracted war was attractive. Perhaps it was Gadhafi’s threat to flood Europe with millions of African immigirants if he was attacked. Obama has his reasons for getting involved, but are they really those that he states publically.
Posted by: pkin | March 23, 2011, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
At least Bush went before Congress and got permission to throw out a murdering dictator!! Obama thinks he’s beyond asking anyone since he’s so full of himself! And another thing where is Obama getting all this money? He just gave $200 MILLION to Central America! Can we say taxpayers-pay up! I think we can! What a idiot-got to go in 2012!!!
Posted by: TXAR.55 | March 23, 2011, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
“Ultimately this matter should be settled by Libyans themselves, ideally in a non-violent manner though it’s apparently unlikely considering how ever other conflict in the History of the World has been resolved.” – Skip
Pretty smart statement there Skip except for the utopian la la liberal idea that conflicts can be settled in a non-violent manner. I think the revolutionary war and the civil war here in the States required a fair amount of bloodshed.
Posted by: Noz | March 23, 2011, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
However since I challenged everybody to suggest a serious alternate plan of action only Traffic Cop Timmy responded and suggested we should stay out of it completely….the only straight up answer so far.
Posted by: Skip | Mar 23, 2011 5:35:36 PM
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……Well skip…how about Obama handles the Libyan situation the same way he has handled Darfur,Bahrain,Yemen,Iran,and Egypt from which liberals gave him such high marks for.
Countries like Iran,Darfur were having their citizens slaughtered in the streets and Mr. “humanitarian” stated he did not want to interject himself into other countries affairs.
…How about Obama actually coming before the American people and Congress to outline this mission,why we are there,why he chose not to enter other countries that this type of slaughter was happening in,and what “victory” looks like…..
This country also deserves to know why democrats spent 10 years calling Bush a “war criminal” and yelling “no blood for Oil”……
……..but now with a democrat in the White House….liberals support bombing an oil rich country that has not attacked us and poses no imminent threat.
What are liberals going to do with all of their “War is not the Answer” bumper stickers???????
Posted by: Baxter Greene | March 24, 2011, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Obama is beginning to surpass BJClinton’s world record for obfuscation when he nailed “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” I’m sure he’ll retire the Guinness World Record before 2012 elections are here. The guy is simply dishonest.
Posted by: daveinboca | March 24, 2011, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
“What are liberals going to do with all of their “War is not the Answer” bumper stickers???????” – Baxter Greene
Get a Sharpie.
Cross out War.
Write in Obama.
Posted by: Noz | March 24, 2011, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
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