Harry Reid: John Boehner’s Plan is ‘Dead on Arrival’ in Senate

Lets get an up/down vote for each proposal so we know exactly who to blame!

The stock market is going to crash if this keeps up much longer.

Im confused…I thought our government was made up of elected representatives who individually vote …or is Senator Reed in charge of the Senate and they simply take orders from him as to how to vote…
Oh Harry please tell me it isn’t so…LOL….

It’s all too tense and uncertain for me. I just dumped around 25% of my stocks today; I’ll probably sell a lot more tomorrow. If no catastrophe happens, I will surely be able to buy them back for a reasonable price. But at least this way I can protect my wealth for a few weeks while this all settles out.

raymond…yes. perry created half of the jobs for the country. texas is a bright spot. this time around no more inexperienced candidates will make and so far obama has been one bad experience. he is done if perry gets in. run hillary run thats the dems only chance.

A clean bill – like it’s been done over a hundred times so far – is needed. The rest is pure Republican partisan politics, designed to hurt America. Remember, their “number one priority” is to make Obama a 1-term president. Everything else is secondary to them……

Obama is lying when he says that no SS checks or Military checks…that is a lie and will never happen. He is scaring the old people into shock…I hope they know he can not do that

“raymond…yes. perry created half of the jobs for the country”
Your stats are off, sorry. And there is a reason Texas is the last state in terms of quality of life in this country. Speaking as someone that used to work in Houston, you can only breathe sulfur and oil for so long in 100+ degree weather before it starts to take a toll on your health. If Texas is our “bright spot” we’re in real trouble.Tra

Speaker Boehner’s plan is not intended to become law. It is intended only to be a talking point for the next election. The House Republicans have to take responsibility for governing. They cannot continue on this path of making ideological gestures without serious govering or the country faces a new resession, possibly a depression.

so it becomes obvious again that Boehner and Cantor have no interest in settling this and want a default. well its going to be ugly but i guess its a default they are going to get and they want it. they want it because they have nothing else to run on because those two have done nothing except make things worse. with a default they can play the class warfare game next year cause their records stink. Michelle Bachman should join up with the two of them.

So on the one hand we have “leaders” like Boehner ( he is the one taped passing out tobacco checks on the House floor before a vote and admitted it wasn’t appropriate) And then old Harry Reid who HATES the Tea Party because they darn near ousted him…Our Leaders…a fine lot Id say…and They call the shots NOT the guy or gal YOU elected…they have nothing to say if they know whats good for them. Our government IS dysfunctional for the above reasons..CROOKS that Tell Your Reps how to vote..your vote during the election means NOTHING! Im sick of it…and so are most Americans!

Republicans are right, cutting taxes for businesses so they can create more jobs will work just like cutting the federal tax to airlines so they could reduce their airfares for their customers…oh wait…umm…nevermind.

k mcclure …they should settle because its about the american people remember.from 4 trillion to 14 trillion in less than 3 years under the democrats and george soros. for the elites out there that 10 trillion for accomplishing absolutely nothing. i guess obama and reid are completely bluffing and the debt ceiling must mean nothing. no ones soc sec check is going to be witheld unless obama chooses to do so.
where is obamas plan? he has no stinking plan. hes the flim flam man with no plan.

Somebody said he came from Ohio
Where he got in a fight over a Log
Cabin Queen And a crashin’ blow from a huge right hand Sent a Tea Party fellow to the Promised Land-Big John
(Big John, Big John) Big Bad John (Big
John)

Anybody in Nevada want to change their 2010 vote?

Harry is simply running interference for Barry. They’ll reach a compromise at the very last minute and the Obama minions will sing his praises. It’s all planned out.

Actually, I’m kind of surprised Harry Reid is back in the action now. Where have you and your Senate been for the last few months? Certainly not proposing anything.

Reid needs to retire and start looking for a nice retirement home that the citizen can pay for.

It could be worse. That idiot Feingold could still be a senator, but fortunately for the greater good of the country, we voted his butt out of power.
You are quite welcome!

Waldo and Guppe…that’s the most assinine thing i have heard. If Obama had a shred of brain, we wouldn’t give a damn what color he is. Color is the problem, it’s lack of wisdom and understanding that plagues Barry…and you.

Go for it Reid. You and the “Prince of Fools” can both go down in a smouldering heap together. Either way you idiots play it now the Oblamer is GONE in 2012.

It’s funny how many post here defending Boehner and the Tea-Party, when in actuality they will be the most hurt if the GOP has their way.

We can make this process very simple for our leaders….If they don’t cooperate and pass a bill to increase the debt ceiling then EVERYONE who is up for re-election will be voted out. Yes, we have big issues to solve but not when we are at serious risk of causing major damage to our economy and to our citizens.

think about this. if the ceiling doesnt get raised interest rates go up and if american businesses are sitting on a trillion of cash as biden suggested then they will actually benefit by this as they will actually earn a fair rate of interest on their deposits. so the rich will get richer thanks to obama and reid.brilliant…time to buy certificates of deposits.

The radical, wild-eyed fring of the Republican Party, better known as the T-Party, IS responsible for Baynor’s lack of a pair. He will not stand up to those members who want to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class AND cut services to the working-poor and poor. I hope America has learned its lesson about voting in radicals that do not undertand how Congress works. Who do not listen to more seasoned members of Congress for direction, have no understanding of pecking order AT ALL, yet lack the common sense to listen. GRIDLOCK. DEFAULT. And this is FINE with them!

Ms. Knutson, T-Party Member — REPRESENT!

Those who don’t support what the Tea Party is trying to do are just plain evil – they are prioritizing themselves over our children and destroying our children’s world – how selfish! They don’t understand what this level of debt will do. Look up history!

I called the House Speaker and all of my congressmen in Washington DC 2 wks ago and asked them, IF I DO NOT GET MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK THEN ARE THEY GOING TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND PICK UP MY BILLS AND PAY THEM SINCE THEY WANT TO HOLD MY MONEY THAT I GET A EVERY MONTH

I am sick of the 2 yr old attitudes that have been put on display. The Congress, Sentate, etc. need to stop thinking about how this will effect them and start worrying about the people who elected them to office to make things better-enough is enough!!!!!

Party of no, the democrats!

Here it is again our government being run by IDIOTS!!! They assume they know what’s best for this country but they are instead ruining it. Here we have two parties who only want what is best for their own interest. We the people need to keep flooding Congress and the president and tell them to cut the crap listen to the people and let’s hammer out a deal.

Boehner needs to give the Dems a take it or leave it and you can pay the consequences speech.

The default won’t be on Boehner and Cantors head, it will be squarely in Obama’s lap. History will only remember that it happened on his watch.

I think it’s all a show to go on to the last minute so they can get away with taking all the medicare benefits they can take away from the old,sick and disabled
to pay for there republican wars. Why are the richest people in the USA not to pay there share of taxes when the sick and old can pay for it. Wheres the end to corporate greed?

Politicians suppose to look for the interest of the majority of the people. Boehner is simply looking up the interest of the top 2% of the people.
I think many of the republicans fall below the top 2% of the population like the rest of the other parties.
Why would one vote for it unless one is all skull and nothing in it.

Typical Republican policy: give tax loopholes to billionaires, and tax breaks to multinational corporations that ship American jobs overseas, then pay for it by taking food and medications away from the elderly poor.
If that isn’t DEMONIC, I don’t know what is.

I have to agree with the first comment. Who are these people, Harry reid pelosi, obama, and how in the whole do they get into office. Are people just not informed, or just plain dumb!

I have to agree with the first comment. Who are these people, Harry reid pelosi, obama, and how in the whole do they get into office. Are people just not informed, or just plain dumb!

The country’s best hope in this crisis is Sen. Reid. He’s the only one with the grit needed to stand up to the GOPers,and wrestle a fair deal through Congress. Boehner’s a stooge for the super rich, and Obama’s the kind of negotiator who lets himself be taken hostage. At least we have Harry Reid in the mix.

Destroy the lives of 98% of us to avoid your 2% paying taxes that they owe anyway. We’re not talking about introducing new taxes but removing Republican tax BREAKS for the super rich.
Thanks Republicans

The Republican plan is crazy, they support the rich who have done nothing to help the economy. Companies like GE send jobs over seas and while owing no taxes here want to say they had to pay taxes in all the other countries. I don’t care. The new health care laws leave out Military because the healthcare is considered a benefit. As a disabled Marine I fought for the rights of everyone but my own I guess. The republicans want to reduce spending in SS, Medicare and Medicaid these or lower income programs. Do you see them leading by example and cutting there salary which is $174,000 a year, no because that would hurt them. If they want cuts so bad then lead by example cut politician and government salaries, cut the loop holes that allow big companies to owe no taxes while they send jobs and money to other countries. If they allow us to default even for a day, every one of the politicians in office should be removed from that office by election, petition or resignation.
Our biggest problem is only the wealthy can afford to run for office so they protect the wealthy. They are out of touch with the real American citizen.
Republicans raised the debt ceiling like 7 times during the Bush administration without even questioning it. Now they are playing political games because of Obama being a democratic President. Before anyone thinks I’m a democrat I have always voted Republican in the past, Not so sure anymore.
Now is a time for compromise, no one wins if they hold out for everything. Act like responsible adults and work it out or resign.

Does the fact that Dusty Harry, a man several layers below pond scum, is running the country give you some idea of just how much trouble we are in?

ERIK posted “SearamblerOne – “…their “number one priority” is to make Obama a 1-term president.”
“Considering Obama’s number one priority is to destroy a once-great nation I can see and support the Republican’s number one priority…”
Sorry ERIK but the Republicans stated PUBLICLY that their #1 priority is to make Obama a 1 term President.
You babbling about Obama wanting to destroy the country is just pure hate filled B.S..
By the time Obama was sworn in this country had already been driven off the cliff. IMHO he’s done a decent job of holding this country together.
In the mean time, what have the Republicans done???? Nothing but try to make matters WORSE for this country for their own political gains.

I agree with Ethan Pollack:
Ethan Pollack, senior policy analyst at the Economic Policy Institute, noted that the “White House’s recent offer is pretty much the same as what the GOP leadership initially pushed … before the Tea Partiers intimidated them into pushing for even more. This ensures that in the event of any shutdown the president will look far more reasonable and conciliatory, and it will be easier to pin the blame on the GOP – where, I should add, it squarely belongs.”
Sounds like a revamped House is in order!

All the plans need to be voted down because they all add trillions to the deficit. What the press fails to report is the baseline they talk about is an automatic 7% higher each year in spending. Rand Paul has a simple plan that makes sense and is easy to understand and would balance the budget in 6 years. A simple 1% cut across the board with a 0 baseline would balance the budget in 6 years. So a mere 6% in spending is all is needed. Now besides Obama and Reid who could not support this simple plan. The plan also allows congress to make the cuts where they see fit as long as it meets the 1%. So if they did not want to cut a certain budgetary item they could make deeper cuts to another. If they fail to agree then the automatic 1% would go into effect across the board.

It is not John Boehners or the ‘regular GOP plan’ but a plan demanded by the far right extremists – the tea party. All that McConnell and Boehner can do right now is assemble the GOP members who are more rational and sane and vote for the Senate Plan. Then they have to devise a way to take the ‘lunatics’ power away from them. This is just how ‘cancer’ works in a human body. if you let it ‘go to far’ it will kill you. I think that Boehner and McConnell can ‘appreciate’ that analogy now. The tea party has no common sense, no intelligence, no rational; decision making ability. It is the ‘monster’ you create when you ‘pander’ to populist ignorance.

Hilarious. Boehner’s plan is DOA because he can’t even get HIS own side to pass it. This is why he has delayed the vote.
Furthermore, I don’t see the GOP compromising on Obama’s or Reid’s plans AT ALL, and yet some here only complain about Reid? THAT is a perfect example of intellectual dishonesty.
Reid’s plan uses the SAME savings as Paul Ryan’s! So what’s the problem? Oh ya, we’re GOP, the party of NO.

Why do we have politicians making financial decisions for the nation.What qualifys them to make these choices? Thats why our country is in such a situation to begin with.

Corporations are making big profits so where are the jobs?It’s time to stop talking about how taxing corporatins will kill job growth.The only thing thats growing is the gap between the wealthy and the other 98% of the nation.

Democrats.. the PARTY of NO!

CND FOX | Jul 26, 2011 9:01:47 PM—–You complain about the TPers all the while watching the Dems and GOP destroy the country. Nice! Everybody on this forum seems to be in “Drama Queen” mode. I believe they will raise the ceiling and both parties claim victories. While I do not hope the US is downgraded, it would certainly wake up these idiots we have to reality. It would almost be comical if it wasn’t so serious. Bunch of numb nuts running the country.

“Democrats.. the PARTY of NO!” And by NO you mean NO to unfair tax policies that have stagnated the Middle Class’ real income. Meanwhile the rich has seen their share of the pie increase by SEVERAL times.
I’m with ya, NO to that Dems. Go! More NO!

Reid speaks in haste! The Speaker’s plan maybe dead on arrival, but where does it leave the US come August 2. Does Reid have anything better to offer? I don’t think so! Default is looming and there will be many unhappy people.

Reid speaks in haste! The Speaker’s plan maybe dead on arrival, but where does it leave the US come August 2. Does Reid have anything better to offer? I don’t think so! Default is looming and there will be many unhappy people.

One funny thing in this debate is that when Democrats defend SS and Medicare, people think that only Democrats receive SS and Medicare benefits. All eligible Americans regardless of party affiliation receive these benefits. If Democrats ask for tax increase, it is not because only Republicans are the richest Americans.

maemobly | Jul 26, 2011 10:13:23 PM—- You would only be “flogging” half the problem.

Republicans put no conditions to raising the debt limit… ever. Now they wish to make it an issue but will not recognize the areas of spending cuts that add up. Military topping the list. Next would be corporate welfare. Then would be farm subsidies that Michele Backmann’s family gets. I think things lie this are giving her the headaches. lol

Republicans think more tax breaks for the rich will create jobs. Bush gave them tax breaks a decade ago and only 3 million jobs were created. In comparison 23 million jobs were created during clinton’s time in office. Which was after a tax increase. When are Republicans ever going to learn?

MsT-mac | Jul 26, 2011 6:22:04 PM
—–Is this what you call “compromise”?”"”"”"”Instead Reid used a procedural move called “filling the tree” which blocks Republicans from offering amendments to his plan.”"”"”"

Thinking | Jul 26, 2011 7:28:36 PM—Last I checked, those Bush tax breaks were for all of us. Which ones are you talking about?

BoboMcStevens | Jul 27, 2011 12:02:11 AM
—Cut, cap and balance was passed with some Dem votes! Reid said no. I believe Reid and Obama got together and Reid is going to retire at the end of this term and decided he could take the hit for Obama. How else do you explain Reid somehow coming up with a last hour plan that he won’t allow any amendments to? I am beginning to think it might be better if we don’t raise it. Maybe that’s what we need to wake the hell up! Look at Obama’s numbers through the end of his term. He will surpass Bush in half the time. I don’t like either party, so I say it again, how do you expect the same people who got us in this mess to get us out? That doesn’t pass any common sense test!!

Cut, Cap, and Balance pass the house with just a few Dems.
The Senate VOTED and decided to table it, so it did come up for a vote but didn’t have enough support to carry it forward.
As for Reid’s last minute plan, I’m SURE they were working on a back up plan, which is no different than Boehner’s LAST MINUTE plan but I don’t see you raising a conspiracy theory about that.
As for Obama’s #s. Please show them to us but don’t forget to remove, Iraq and Afghanistan, TARP, Medicare Part D, and Bush Tax cuts. Then look at the tanking economy which killed off tax revenue.
THEN and only then will you have what Obama has spent.

BoboMcStevens | Jul 27, 2011 12:20:33 AM
—The numbers are there and very easy to read. You seem to think Bush didn’t show any of the emergency funded numbers on the books. They did go against the debt, just not through the budget process. Obama has spent like a drunken sailor and his own projections had him spending more than Bush in half the time. Fiscal Times: Myth: The Bush tax cuts caused the financial crisis and/or the recession.-
Many Democratic leaders like to paint with a broad brush when it comes to the economic policies of the previous administration. They blame the real estate bubble, the financial meltdown and the recession on Bush administration policies generally, and then conveniently lump the Bush tax cuts in as part of the cause. As in the Republican myth above, this is a failure to distinguish correlation from causation. No authority on the economy would say that the banking crisis and the recession could have been averted by holding off on tax cuts in 2001 and 2003.
If one seeks to fix blame on the Bush administration, it’s more honest and productive to focus on the administration’s regulations (or lack thereof) pertaining to housing and banking, although even there, the Bush policies were more like a continuation of policies that go back decades.

BoboMcStevens—-2010 Discretionary, take a look at percentage in each department that went up and tell me that’s Bush’s fault:
Discretionary spending: $1.378 trillion (+13.8%)
$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)
$78.7 billion (−1.7%) – Department of Health and Human Services
$72.5 billion (+2.8%) – Department of Transportation
$52.5 billion (+10.3%) – Department of Veterans Affairs
$51.7 billion (+40.9%) – Department of State and Other International Programs
$47.5 billion (+18.5%) – Department of Housing and Urban Development
$46.7 billion (+12.8%) – Department of Education
$42.7 billion (+1.2%) – Department of Homeland Security
$26.3 billion (−0.4%) – Department of Energy
$26.0 billion (+8.8%) – Department of Agriculture
$23.9 billion (−6.3%) – Department of Justice
$18.7 billion (+5.1%) – National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$13.8 billion (+48.4%) – Department of Commerce
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of Labor
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) – Department of the Treasury
$12.0 billion (+6.2%) – Department of the Interior
$10.5 billion (+34.6%) – Environmental Protection Agency
$9.7 billion (+10.2%) – Social Security Administration
$7.0 billion (+1.4%) – National Science Foundation
$5.1 billion (−3.8%) – Corps of Engineers
$5.0 billion (+100%-NA) – National Infrastructure Bank
$1.1 billion (+22.2%) – Corporation for National and Community Service
$0.7 billion (0.0%) – Small Business Administration
$0.6 billion (−14.3%) – General Services Administration
$0 billion (−100%-NA) – Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
$0 billion (−100%-NA) – Financial stabilization efforts
$11 billion (+275%-NA) – Potential disaster costs
$19.8 billion (+3.7%) – Other Agencies
$105 billion – Other

CommonSense, look at your own #s. 13.8%. That is NOT anywhere near the 300% anti-Obama folks claim. Is it a lot, yes but not nearly as much as the difference from Clinton to Bush.
Also your statement about the Bush tax cuts shifting the burden is not due to the tax cuts but rather because the rich were taking home a bigger piece of the pie.
In other words, that statement is RELATIVE. If the wealthy are doing much better and/or the middle class/poor are not, then naturally the tax burden shifts towards the former. You make more money, you pay more taxes. You make a crap ton MORE money, you pay a good amount more taxes. The wealthy made out like bandits compared to everyone else so of course the burden shifted over to them.
What matters in the end is the wealth disparity gap and that grew enormously under the Bush tax cuts.

“Speaker Boehner’s plan is not a compromise. It was written for the tea party, not the American people.

August 2nd most certainly is NOT just plucked out of the air. It’s an ESTIMATED guess based on incoming revenue vs. outlays.
It likely won’t be the exact date when the US goes into default but that doesn’t actually matter. What counts is not that specific moment in time so much as the confidence level the ratings agency’s have towards our ability and willingness to service our debt.
Instead of getting information from Talk Radio, better to go straight to the source, the ratings agencies themselves.
Standard & Poors will likely DOWNGRADE us if Boehner’s plan goes though but keep our AAA rating if Reid’s plan goes through. Seems like an easy choice.

This is nothing new. This information has been known for at least a week. Even the Congressional Republicans have rejected the House bill.
Make you wonder why Boehner is even bothering.
We knew the House had no ideas of their own so they had a psudo-political group write the bill for them. We knew it would disrupt the world economy far too much. We knew it was a disaster even before it was revised…twice.
So much for electing new people who claimed they had new ideas. Outsourcing the writing of bills is not a new idea.

Harry Reed showing his inability to compromise. His constituients should declare his re-election dead on arival. Enforce term limits. Vote him out.

The fact that a scum bag like Dusty Harry can tell us what we can and can’t vote on speaks volumes about where we are as a country.

Harry Reid is part of the problem….thank the mining and gaming industry …..

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid needs to get on his hands and knees to give mouth to mouth to John Boehner’s Plan! Don’t accept that it is ‘Dead on Arrival’!!

Here we go again. Each side blaming the other although the G.O.P. helped raise the deficit during 6 of the 8 yrs. George W. Bush was president and they held the majority. And they want to come back and blame it all on the democrats. Seems to me both parties are to blame. Bush haf the option to put the Clinton surplus into paying back 47 years worth of G.O.P. and Democratic IOU when the stole from the ss fund, in fact the public rallied during his run to get the presidential nomination to have Mr. Bush do just that. Of course he did not do what the public demanded just like the tea party and current G.O.P. reps in DC won’t do what the public wants or demands, including the constituents who voted them into office. Yesterday tens of thousand of calls flooded into congressional offices aksing for a combination of tax increases to bring in much needed revenue and cuts. Even the average American has the intelligence and wherwithall to understand that you have to have both to save our great nation from economic and social ruin. The G.O.P. can cry foul over tax increases but they have forced states (many of them with Republican governors)to burden working Americans with increases in property taxes, user fees which are also a tax, sales taxes, etc. because they refuse to acknowledge that you have to balance cuts and deficit reduction with tax revenue. And for a head’s up. Many people voted for the G.O.P. reps because they wanted jobs, jobs, jobs and not for deficit reduction alone. Pelosi and a small handful of other liberal dems. need to accept cuts to go along with tax increases for the wealthiest banks, investors, corporations, and hedge fund managers, etc. as well. Cut the bickering and compromise before you destroy this great nation any more than you have. No wonder more and more Americans are becoming independents. Like me. I am literally sick of this game to outdo the other party for political gain alone. This is not about the public or what America needs. It is about selfish conservative and liberal policies that help none of us.

LongT | Jul 26, 2011 6:04:45 PM
“It’s funny how many post here defending Boehner and the Tea-Party,…”
…..Riddle me this: If there was no Tea Party and they had not opposed Obama raising his budget spending (as he requested in Feb), and the ratings agencies are saying we must make cuts to avoid a downgrade, where would we be today?

Why did Harry table and not let the cut, cap and balance bill passed by the House come up for a vote or at least discussion? He does not want to be cut, capped and have to balance,(he can’t even come up with a budget for two years) he wants to keep spending on bad policies. Nevada your greed by voting him back in has come back to haunt you. This country will never get back on its feet until Harry, Nancy and the President are gone.

Obama has no plan. All he can do is cry. When you have zero experience in management you zero experience in solving a problem. You blame others to hide your faults.

Reid is right that Boehner’s plan has no aspect of finding a middle ground. The GOP passed a failed proposal and this latest plan is merely a first step in that failed plan. Compromise means, for the benefit of the GOP, elements of both sides in it. Now that you know what the word means, Boehner go back and try again. I know this is all very new for you lately, but you once were able to do it.

Republican do not have the citizens of the USA in mind. Nor do they have the best interest of the country in mind. all they have is their own fat pockets in mind.
the government is supposed to provide for its citizens
not steal from them so the riche can get richer. taxing millionaires and billionaires will not lose one job. what they are going to do, hire another pool boy or landscaper? get real. if we had a universal medical plan it would CUT the burden on businesses and give them the money to HIRE new workers. republicans suck, the ones in power should be taken out of office and made to live like the rest of us.

Lets just admit the truth here.The republicans are willing to let the country fall off a cliff just to deminish President Obama and ruin the economy so he doesn’t get re-elected.Now that thats out of the way,I just want to know why the American people are so stupid that they would vote against their own interests??Why do 23% of these idiots want tax cuts for millionaires?And please don’t call them “job creators”!I think the last 10 years has proven to anyone with a brain that they haven’t created one job!Get a brain people!Do you really hate this President so much that you will bite your nose off to spite your face??What is wrong with you people?You all need help!