Obama Says Congress Can Approve Trade Deals ‘Right Now,’ But Hasn’t Sent Them to Hill
ABC News’ Devin Dwyer (@devindwyer) and Ann Compton (@anncompton) report:
President Obama has touted three pending U.S. trade deals as measures that could immediately spur job growth, if only Congress would approve them to become law. The only problem: the White House has not yet formally sent the deals to Congress for a vote.
“With 1.3 million jobs lost under the ‘stimulus’ binge and the unemployment rate over 9 percent, there’s no excuse for the White House to delay a moment longer,” said Don Seymour, communications director for House Speaker John Boehner, in a blog post Friday. “If President Obama wants Congress to ‘go ahead and get those trade deals done,’ he should submit them for ratification as soon as possible.”
Officials announced in June that, after months of negotiation between the administration and congressional Republicans, had agreed to the overall terms of the trade deals and an accompanying piece of legislation, known as the Trade Adjustment Assistance program – essentially clearing the way for the legislation to become law.
“As a result of extensive negotiations, we now have an agreement on the underlying terms for a meaningful renewal of a strengthened TAA,” White House press secretary Jay Carney said on Jun. 29. “Now it is time to move forward with the TAA and with the Korea, Colombia and Panama trade agreements, which will support tens of thousands of jobs.”
The development was praised by members of both parties and the business community, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce which has lobbied heavily for passage of the trade deals.
But the next step – actual votes on the agreements – remains mired in partisan finger-pointing over when and how the legislation should be brought to the floor in both chambers.
“There's a dispute because the president wants to pass the treaties in tandem with trade adjustment assistance for any workers who might be — American workers who might be disadvantaged by the treaties,” said senior Obama strategist David Axelrod on “This Week.” “We feel like we reached an agreement or made progress in the Senate. We need to get this through Congress come the fall.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Aug. 3 before that he would only allow movement on the trade agreements once the TAA has passed.
And the White House says it won’t send the deals to the hill until an agreement is reached on how votes will proceed, which would preferably include guarantees the legislation won’t be subjected to change or amendment, or filibuster in the Senate.
“We have yet to hear specifics on what the ‘path forward’ consists of (in the House and the Senate), and we haven’t heard any commitment from the Speaker,” said White House spokesman Matthew Vogel in an email.
So, while the president says, “right now, Congress can advance a set of trade agreements,” and that “Congress could do right now,” that’s only partly true, so long as the partisan divide over the votes runs as long as Pennsylvania Ave.

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Posted by: Walter | August 22, 2011, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Wondered when someone in the mainstream media would get around to reporting that little detail. It’s hard to get a trade bill approved when it has not been submitted for approval. Submit them and make the case for them. And stop using them as a stick to beat your opponents with. The executive branch can’t pin all the problems on the legislative branch (and vice versa, to be sure).
Posted by: Moderate | August 22, 2011, 9:22 am 9:22 am
So he’s confused. That’s no surprise.
Cut him some slack and see if he gets the Trade Deals to Congress in a couple of weeks.
Posted by: Noz | August 22, 2011, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Obama dines with MSNBComcast CEO
“now here’s what I want you to do”???????
Posted by: The Downgraded President on his magical misery tour | August 22, 2011, 9:45 am 9:45 am
It’s the tea party’s fault! and don’t forget about the arab spring and the problems in europe!
Posted by: Jim Tayberry | August 22, 2011, 9:48 am 9:48 am
There is no evidence that any of these trade agreements has ever created a single job. Why continue a policy that has been shown to be a failure?
Who really benefits?
Posted by: Flash Override | August 22, 2011, 9:55 am 9:55 am
So in other words Obama.. You are confirming your LIES to America
Jake you ready to call him a LIAR? LMAO
Posted by: The Downgraded President on his magical misery tour | August 22, 2011, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Tragedy on the Border
Failed ATF gun running program causes the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry
Why is Eric Holder and Barrack Obama Stonewalling congress????
Posted by: The Downgraded President on his magical misery tour | August 22, 2011, 10:18 am 10:18 am
The President really needs this vacation.
He may remember then to submit Legislation before it can be voted on.
I guess when you like to bash your opponents you lose your objectivity.
And here is another problem the President has just run into. Social Security Disability
program about to go bust. So Giving the 2%
tax cut to all working Americans does not seem to smart right now. That 2% would do well to be directed to the Disability
fund which I think is Separate, you can find this on Yahoo news.
Posted by: deadwrestler | August 22, 2011, 10:20 am 10:20 am
The majority of economists surveyed by the National Association for Business Economics believe that the federal deficit should be reduced only or primarily through spending cuts.
OBAMA LIES…..THE MIDDLE CLASS DIES
Posted by: The Downgraded President on his magical misery tour | August 22, 2011, 10:34 am 10:34 am
“We have yet to hear specifics on what the ‘path forward’ consists of (in the House and the Senate), and we haven’t heard any commitment from the Speaker,” said White House spokesman Matthew Vogel in an email.
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For a moment I couldn’t understand why he’d point out that we’re all having to breathlessly await Obama’s speech until after his vacation.
Then I realized it’s more finger-pointing and whining on behalf of the president who has it worse than Lincoln, according to himself.
Good reporting on this one, Jake Tapper.
Posted by: Oliver Shagnasty | August 22, 2011, 10:37 am 10:37 am
You people are ridiculous and absolutely nausiating! Where were you with your quips and disrespect when Bush was bankrupting the country?? He left us in a huge hole when he left office. But, why would I expect bigots and hatemongers to be reasonable or to accept the truth? My mistake!
Posted by: Lorrie | August 22, 2011, 10:42 am 10:42 am
THE DOWNGRADED PRESIDENT ON HIS MAGICAL MISERY TOUR | AUG 22, 2011 10:18:37 AM….”Why is Eric Holder and Barrack Obama Stonewalling congress?”……Its one thing for us to believe Holder knew and has been lying; to prove it for the entire country (some will always make excuses for Holder and the administration).
Posted by: deanbob | August 22, 2011, 10:44 am 10:44 am
He left us in a huge hole when he left office. But, why would I expect bigots and hatemongers to be reasonable or to accept the truth? My mistake!
Posted by: Lorrie | Aug 22, 2011 10:42:46 AM
And Obama has dug that puppy all the way to China.
Do you REALLY consider yourself reasonable? Accusing ANYONE who disagrees with Obama’s FAILED stimulus and jobs agenda while bankrupting the country bigots and hatemongers?
Posted by: wheresmymoney | August 22, 2011, 10:49 am 10:49 am
The fact is that the deals went to mark up in senate committees back in June. Remember that news? The House and Senate have to decide how to proceed, and once they do, they can proceed. But how nice of ABC to base their headline on Boehner’s spokeperson’s excuses and how lovely that the haters buy the spin.
There are legitimate reasons why Congress, the GOP, its tea party and the media are so very unpopular.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 10:50 am 10:50 am
You only get one chance to waste 800 billion dollars.
Thank goodness the nation isn’t falling for Pres Barry’s stupidity anymore. We have all caught on to his sanctimonious posturing…..
Posted by: bl | August 22, 2011, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Obama has been sitting on these treaties since he took office!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | August 22, 2011, 10:55 am 10:55 am
The downgraded: ROFL, you mean the downgraded republican congress, Boehner “I got 98% of what I wanted” Too funny, we may get downgraded yet again if we don’t let the tax cuts expire. You folks are a bunch of liars and lie to get a crappy point across. Good keep it up, the republican congress has much lower approval ratings than president Obama, can’t wait till 2012, where are the jobs bills Mr. Boehner? Oh yeah continue with the tax cuts but sell it differently to the pathetically gullible.
Posted by: phallon | August 22, 2011, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The majority of economists surveyed by the National Association for Business Economics believe that the federal deficit should be reduced only or primarily through spending cuts.
Posted by: misery | Aug 22, 2011 10:34:48 AM
Make you wonder why Republicans and their tea party oppose the extension of payroll tax cuts Obama has proposed, yeah? but they’re always wrestling with their own positions for the sake of torching the country.
Republicans… they’re not good for America anymore.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 11:00 am 11:00 am
If Congress approves those trade deals, they will KILL many, many more jobs in America!
Very BAD idea to make ANY more trade deals, since every one we have done, has cost this country more and more jobs!
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | August 22, 2011, 11:06 am 11:06 am
wheresmymoney … if the stimulus had truly failed, banks would have disappeared! get a grip and stop listening to your Repub counterparts. Everyone is trying to hid the elephant behind the peanut. Bigotry in this country to showing more and more each day. They should have given Bush as much grief as they are giving Obama.. then we wouldn’t have been in half the mess we are in now. Facts are facts!
Posted by: Lorrie | August 22, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Kimberly ,you may want to go to Yahoo news and read about the Social Security
Disability solvency. The tax cut, That 2%
the President wants to extend would be better served being directed into the Disability fund which i believe is separate from Social Security fund. After all the 2%
is money that was headed to Social security after all. Why not try and fix the problem
and if anything this is one area the whole country probably would live with a tax increase in as long as the government quits borrowing out of it.
Posted by: deadwrestler | August 22, 2011, 11:30 am 11:30 am
These trade deals are JOB KILLERS and for Obama to sell them as a jobs agenda is his biggest lie – Jake Tapper and ABC should be reporting that.
The trade deals will just encourage GE (another Obama friend and donor) and other multinationals who have no loyalty to America to send more jobs overseas.
Remember NAFTA? Get ready for the next-a.
Posted by: william morgan | August 22, 2011, 11:37 am 11:37 am
The president wants to extend the payroll tax cut for 1 year, not indefinitely, if we allow it to expire, it will definitely reduce consumer spending and add to the 1 in 6 Americans who are food insecure (starving slowly). And don’t give me the bull crap that there are places to go for these people, they make too much for food stamps but their rent is too high, and the pantries are empty.
Posted by: phallon | August 22, 2011, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Posted by: deadwrestler | Aug 22, 2011 11:30:16 AM
You know what’s cute? I wrote “Make[s] you wonder why Republicans and their tea party oppose the extension of payroll tax cuts Obama has proposed, yeah? but they’re always wrestling with their own positions for the sake of torching the country.
Republicans… they’re not good for America anymore.
And there you are with your screen name!
That made me smile.
Let’s say a Republican had proposed the extension… now in reality, don’t you think Republicans in Congress would be all over it?
Call me cynical, but I’d lay money down (and I’d win.)
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Barack maintains his allegiance to Nancy Pelosi and her social welfare policy. They will keep national unemployment high, if possible. His manipulation of political process could be mentioned in articles of impeachment for his removal from office.
Posted by: dustin93sc | August 22, 2011, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Have we ever had a trade deal either in our favor or with a neutral job gain/loss?
NAFTA, the Chinese Trade Agreement and others have simply made it easier for corporations to take advantage of cheap labor overseas, while giving American companies employing Americans here a disadvantage in the marketplace.
While I don’t favor these new trade deals, it is interesting to note once again that the Republicans don’t care about Americans losing their jobs. They won’t guarantee job re-training because they couldn’t care less about American workers.
Anyone who works for a living or owns a small business, who votes Republican is going against their own interests.
Posted by: Lydia | August 22, 2011, 11:48 am 11:48 am
There seems to be a little problem with many right-wingers here not reading the article they are commenting on.
Read the entire piece and you will understand that the legislation is being held up by Republicans who won’t agree to job-retraining for American workers who will lose their jobs.
As I said in my previous comment, I don’t want us signing any more trade deals, they have been harmful to our country by eliminating jobs here. We should be re-visiting the trade deals we have and correcting them to balance the trade deficits with countries like China.
Posted by: Lydia | August 22, 2011, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Before I even read the whole thing I knew Harry Reid would be involved in blocking this. The Democrats only want to blame Republicans and regain control. They could give a blank about improving the jobs picture.
Posted by: kansas | August 22, 2011, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
The incompetence from this administration goes from the top to the bottom. Change the Dope 2012.
Posted by: Stephana | August 22, 2011, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Kimberly, once again I state look At where the 2% is coming from the social security
fund. And where Did I state that money
should go to the Social Security Disability
fund which are two different funds. The 2%
which robs Social security to begin with,
that 2% would be better transferred for the
disabled. Yahoo news has the story, as for
politics Herman Cain is the person I support
the most but he will not be the nominee.
Posted by: deadwrestler | August 22, 2011, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
“Held up by Republicans who won’t agree to job-training.” Please point that specific passage out for us in the article presented above….Otherwise…..
Posted by: Parallex View | August 22, 2011, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Our economy, war on drugs, illegal immigration, healthcare and many other issues have always exist in our society and most of the presidents, congress and senate have push those issues under the carpet. The only thing that I care about is that Obama brought me bin ladins head for murdering 3000 of my people. Next head that will roll Gadhafi for murdering 178 of my people. Obama just keep your eyes on the goal. Take out anyone who is willing to harm the USA. The rest of our business will continue to be push under the carpet because our political system is to corrupted to do the right thing. Maybe the next generation will correct the problems that our past and current generations have neglected. Meanwhile Obama 2012.
Posted by: cony007 | August 22, 2011, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Fact: Republican lawmakers supporting the cuts point to a January report the the Government Accountability Office that said little is known about the EFFECTIVENESS OF MOST FEDERAL JOB-TRAINING PROGRAMS, and that OVERLAP was extensive among the nine agencies administering …47…programs in the 2009 fiscal year…The report recommended efforts to CONSOLIDATE administrative functions. 04.2011.bloomberg…
I am presuming, don’t know for a fact, that the repubs are trying to play it fiscally smart so no future funds will be wasted in the Workforce Investment Act….Times are a changin like it or not…
Posted by: Parallex View | August 22, 2011, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
“Read the entire piece and you will understand that the legislation is being held up by Republicans who won’t agree to job-retraining for American workers who will lose their jobs.” ….. Guess what, read the whole article and it doesn’t say this anywhere in it (surprise … not).
Posted by: pgd | August 22, 2011, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
kimberly “Republicans…they’re no good for American.” So what is your solution to deal with Republicans…You threw the statement out there…WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION, because I am reading that as a threat……singling out one particular group as being bad for America is well…facism…..
Posted by: Parallex View | August 22, 2011, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
There seems to be a little problem with many right-wingers here not reading the article they are commenting on.
Read the entire piece and you will understand that the legislation is being held up by Republicans who won’t agree to job-retraining for American workers who will lose their jobs.
Posted by: Lydia | Aug 22, 2011 11:56:17 AM
“And the White House says it won’t send the deals to the hill until an agreement is reached on how votes will proceed, which would preferably include guarantees the legislation won’t be subjected to change or amendment, or filibuster in the Senate.”
Obama won’t send the bill down until he gets his way on it. Creating a HOSTAGE situation.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | August 22, 2011, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Part of his jobs creation program….for China, Vietnam and anyplace else OTHER than America.
Posted by: wantingbalance | August 22, 2011, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
“WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION”
Posted by: Parallex View | Aug 22, 2011 12:39:04 PM
We need to do the things that always create more jobs around the world: Tax the rich! More welfare! Socialized healthcare! More government! It worked in the Soviet Union until Reagan ruined the dreams of so many there.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
This article is satire,isn’t it? What kind of idiot would complain about holding up a bill he hasn’t even submitted?
Posted by: Nephron | August 22, 2011, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Lydia — “trade deals” do not always mean “trade deficits”…. its a little more complex than that!! — The free trade treaty with Colombia would immediately allow 80% of U.S. goods to be exported there duty-free, something U.S. farmers and manufacturers have long sought!!! — Most Colombian goods are ALREADY sold duty-free in the United States!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | August 22, 2011, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
“They won’t guarantee job re-training because they couldn’t care less about American workers.”
Posted by: Lydia | Aug 22, 2011 11:56:17 AM
I live in a manufacturing area and many people I know who’ve lost their factory jobs here paid for their own job re-training in healthcare and information technology. They took action on their own and didn’t wait around for government help. Completely shocking, I know.
Posted by: Justin | August 22, 2011, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
” Bigotry in this country to showing more and more each day. They should have given Bush as much grief as they are giving Obama”
Wow, someone must have moved here in 2009!
“Facts are facts!”
Except when they are your opinions Lorrie.
Posted by: J.R. | August 22, 2011, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES that he knows cannot pass the House. Then he will use that outcome to campaign indicating the Republicans are not working to fix the economy. This is DIRTY POLITICS of the highest order. Obama is putting his reelection AMBITION ahead of what is good for the country. Getting elected is more important t6han the SUFFERING of the American people to Obama. This COMPLETE DISREGARD for the welfare of the American people shows how urgent it is to vote Obama out of office.
Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is. Having the taxpayers pay for what was just a campaign trip shows his disdain for the suffering of the American people.
The fact is the American economic problems will never be solved. All of the people living off the governments dime (welfare, food stamps, government employees, etc.) will continue to vote for the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS. The SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS will continue to vote for the maintenance and extension of these programs so they can keep getting elected. It is a downward spiral with no viable solution unless all of us not living off the government’s dime vote 100% to stop the spending.
What needs to be done is to LOWER the debt ceiling.
Obama engaged in a reckless stimulus spending plan which only did more harm than good. That money was used to offset financial mismanagement at the state level. The projects that were funded by that money only gave a temporary increase in business to certain businesses but BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business. The only way we will see real, long term growth in jobs is if we eliminate the oppressive regulation of business (not Wall Street), change the tax structure so it is comparable to other countries, allow businesses the flexibility to make labor more efficient and STOP THE SPENDING.
Printing money did not work because interest rates were already as low as they could go. More dollars chasing the same amount of good and service means price increases not more jobs.
Our bloated and inefficient government is what is thwarting job and economic growth and the reckless stimulus spending and the reckless printing of money have not and will not do anything to fix it.
Obama is so h*ll bent of “taxing the rich” (whatever that means) because it is a campaign strategy not because it is good for the country. Obama is obsessed with getting reelected so he can ram more of his “hope and change” socialistic programs into law. Obama believes if he can force the Republicans to help pass a “taxing the rich” plan, the “rich” will not donate as much money. The Democrats with Obama in charge will continue to spend and spend. More and more social programs will mean more and more people with little incentive to work. His “taxing the rich” attitude will send more and more jobs out of the country.
Mr. Obama: stop campaigning, stop SPENDING and do what is good for the country.
We must continue to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Posted by: AngryMobVoter | August 22, 2011, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Kimberly, you may try Venezuela unless
you do not like Dictators. He does allow you to vote but it better be for him,if you care about your personnel safety. Or just head to China. Growing country just bad pollution
and they might have debt crisis when one of their major investment goes belly up.
Posted by: deadwrestler | August 22, 2011, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
“Read the entire piece and you will understand that the legislation is being held up by Republicans who won’t agree to job-retraining for American workers who will lose their jobs. ”
Bull. That isn’t what Obama is saying when he is out on the campaign trail/bus tour/vacation stop.
And if these treaties are so good for the country, why would we need job training for possibly displaced workers? And why have the treaty’s approval linked in such a way, let them stand on their own and vote on them.
Obama is complaining that they aren’t doing their job when he hasn’t submitted the treaties for approval because the Congress won’t approve them the way Obama wants them to be. How is this Congress’s fault again?
Posted by: J.R. | August 22, 2011, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
LORRIE -
I know that logic won’t appeal to you, but the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress 2007 thru 2010 – 4 years. But according to you everything that happened during that period was Bush’s fault.
Obama is now blaming Congress, and saying he’s not responsible because of Congress.
If President Bush was responsible for everything during his Presidency, then President Obama should be held accountable for everything during his Presidency.
OK – you can start ranting now.
Posted by: Dave in Colorado | August 22, 2011, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Posted by: deadwrestler | Aug 22, 2011 1:20:49 PM
At first I thought this was me till I saw the other Kimberly @ 1:01:08 PM. I’m not sure if that was supposed to be a lame parody of me since the far right wing idealogues that post here have a very caricaturized view of … well, everything… but it was, indeed, a lame or lousy parody or whatever it was supposed to be, imho. I rarely use exclamation points. Moreover, if I liked dictators and welfare so much, I’d be a Republican. Then I’d bow to corporate welfare, free market talking points, a literal interpretation of the Bible, the Koch brothers, and other disseminators of far right wing ideology, like a good little bird who’d memorized all the words (like Move to Venezuela! lol…. original? Nooooooo. What a shocker.)
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
“Republicans…they’re no good for American.” So what is your solution to deal with Republicans…You threw the statement out there…WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION, because I am reading that as a threat……singling out one particular group as being bad for America is well…facism…..
Posted by: Parallex View | Aug 22, 2011 12:39:04 PM
What is facism? If I said “in your face?” would that be “facism.” Or does it have something to do with facebook, perhaps?
lol.
Feigned outrage and over-the-top emotion over reason and logic… the calling cards of a diehard illogical Republican voter, particularly a Republican far right tea party type.
The solution to Republicans being bad for the country is not to vote for them. They’ve offered up a ridiculous field of candidates for president. It’s time for new parties and not simply new names for the same old group that makes up what everyone considers the lunatic base of the right.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Posted by: deadwrestler | Aug 22, 2011 12:08:34 PM
Republican opposition to Obama’s proposal for a payroll tax cut extension constitutes support for a tax hike and yet nearly every Republican in Congress has signed Norquist’s and Americans for Tax Reform’s pledges not to raise taxes. Right wingers are big on pledges.
Should they stick to their pledge, or should they wrestle around with the their positions and pledges and lies?
In the not-so-distant past, Norquist himself has referred to the refusal to extend temporary tax cuts as a tax hike and a violation of the pledge. That was his clarification.
Your objection now means maybe, just maybe, all this cut and dried, black and white, b.s is , you know, b.s.– impractical, bad for the country.
I say Republicans are hypocrites and have painted themselves into a pickle BUT the far right extremists who support them no matter what will support whatever they come up with because… well, who really knows why. It makes no sense to the educated and reasonable.
Republicans have jumped the shark.
Now they support tax hikes. But that’s okay with you.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Feigned outrage and over-the-top emotion over reason and logic… the calling cards of a diehard illogical Democratic voter, particularly a Democratic far left Marxist type.
The solution to Democrats being bad for the country is not to vote for them. They’ve offered up nothing but demagoguery and empty rhetoric like Hope and Change. We see the results of their failed lunatic ideology all around us.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Posted by: Susan | Aug 22, 2011 1:59:36 PM
Speaking of demagogeury, your post has little else but just that. I guess it’s difficult for the hypocrit to see that.
Posted by: Jane | August 22, 2011, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
While I don’t favor these new trade deals, it is interesting to note once again that the Republicans don’t care about Americans losing their jobs.
POSTED BY: LYDIA | AUG 22, 2011 11:48:50 AM
LYDIA, I’m going to re-post something I did the other day that you might be interested in. For all the lamenting you do about the Republicans “not caring” about Americans losing their jobs, please read the following, and if you can, give your response to the love fest Obama showers on Steve Jobs EVEN THOUGH Mr. Jobs likes his “jobs” done cheaply. Last time I checked, Obama is a Democrat. Doesn’t he CARE??
Note: I was presenting an argument to “Skip”, which, by the way, he darted from. Funny. Read on…
The Republicans look to China with envious eyes….their workers over there toiling for pennies an hour under smog choked skies. If only….
Posted by: Skip | Aug 19, 2011 4:53:50 PM
Obama on Steve Jobs in December 2010:
“And something that’s always been the greatest strength of America is a thriving, booming middle class, where everybody has got a shot at the American dream. And that should be our goal. That should be what we’re focused on. How are we creating opportunity for everybody? So that we celebrate wealth. We celebrate somebody like a Steve Jobs, who has created two or three different revolutionary products. We expect that person to be rich, and that’s a good thing. We want that incentive. That’s part of the free market.”
So Obama REALLY thinks ALOT of Mr. Jobs. That’s ironic because Apple, the company Mr. Jobs helped create, has ADMITTED to using ‘sweatshops’ in China, and even THIS YEAR disclosed that child labor at it’s suppliers in China was WORSENING. This has been going on with Apple, HP, Dell, etc. for YEARS.
Really, Skip, do you want to have this argument?
POSTED BY: SHOE | AUG 19, 2011 6:32:20 PM
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
We will once again rewrite the political script and gain our moral high ground. America will soar above the negativity. We WILL adopt policies that will strengthen our nation and restore the millions of jobs that were lost. We will thrive once again. America is the shining city on top the hill. We must know it and act like it. We have to and will act better than we ever have before
Posted by: TV | August 22, 2011, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
To be great, we MUST resist the urge to be petty and backbiting.. We must ascend AGAIN!
Posted by: TV | August 22, 2011, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
“Speaking of demagogeury, your post has little else but just that. I guess it’s difficult for the hypocrit to see that.”
Posted by: Jane | Aug 22, 2011 2:06:40 PM
My post is the mirror image of Kimberly’s post. So that makes her a demagogue and hypocrite too.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
HOPE and CHANGE is on the move!
(Reuters) – Consumer confidence has fallen further after weeks of intensified economic concerns and broad stock market declines, and Conference Board data due later this month could be even weaker than current projections suggest, Consumer Edge Research said on Monday.
Readings from high, middle and low-income consumers all deteriorated sharply, due mainly to dramatic declines in outlook, the independent equity research firm said.
The firm’s Consumer Economic Index is now at 45.4, down 10 percentage points from July and down 1.5 points from the 46.9 level it reported on August 10. Two days after that report, the Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan’s preliminary August reading showed that U.S. consumer sentiment had fallen to its lowest point since May 1980.
While low-income and middle-income consumers felt the most impact from July to August, high-income earners have deteriorated the most since the peak seen in February, Consumer Edge Research said.
Compared with July, the confidence level for low-income consumers, those with incomes under $40,000, declined 10 percentage points; middle-income consumers with incomes from $40,000 to $100,000 had an 11 percentage-point drop; and high-income consumers, those making more than $100,000, had a 7 percentage points drop.
Business owners are also feeling more stressed. The roughly 5 percent of consumers who own businesses with at least one employee had an index of 63, the lowest point since the firm began calculating the index for that particular group in February.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 2:16:05 PM
It’s interesting that Republicans– or at least one far right Republican– denigrates the president for celebrating the wealth that comes from having created two or three revolutionary products, which is what the President was celebrating — given how short sighted GOP commenters are on the science blog post (the one in which Huntsman points out how backwards most of the contenders in the GOP presidential field are, particularly when it comes to science). We were just having a discussion on innovation and pursuing the possibilities demand for alternate energy and energy efficiency tech provides.
The difference between the GOP and the president is that while he expects someone like Jobs to be wealthy, he doesn’t throw his hands up and say we shouldn’t provide incentives to keep manufacturing here or negotiate our trade agreements to include assistance for those who lose their jobs or claim the only way to create jobs is to leave corporations to their own devices–laissez faire; all hail the free unencumbered market– as they accumulate wealth and power here and move that wealth overseas.
Your post is missing any kind of smoking gun. It IS telling that you have a grudge against innovation.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Your post is missing any kind of smoking gun. It IS telling that you have a grudge against innovation.
POSTED BY: KIMBERLY | AUG 22, 2011 2:39:53 PM
First of all, my post was directed to LYDIA. Oh, wait, you ARE LYDIA. Sorry “Kimberly”.
Anyway, the ‘smoking gun’ you talk of is right there. The revelation about sweat shop workers was made in 2006. That would mean that Obama should have known about it in 2010 as it was a big deal in the media. Yet, he still found it appropriate to congratulate Steve Jobs on his wonderful innovations, neglecting to look at the ‘little problem’ in China. Sure, innovation is great, but if that innovation is being manufactured and put together in practically intolerable conditions, that’s a problem. Not only does it degrade those folks, it takes jobs away here. Obama HAD to know that in 2010 when his comment was made. Or, I suppose as was the case during his presidential campaign, he’s just too naive to see what’s happening all around him.
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 2:39:53 PM
As someone who claims to know so much about science and innovation, please share with us your expertise on innovation. Have you ever invented anything? Designed and implemented any software applications? Hold any patents? What intellectual capital have you personally supplied to our society and our economy?
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Posted by: Susan | Aug 22, 2011 2:25:04 PM
Not really. What you left out is my disrepecting of the Republican field of candidates, which many people find ridiculous.
To wit:
Rick Perry says now that simply because he wrote a book calling for privatizing Social Security doesn’t mean he’s actually for privatizing Social Security (which of course he says is unconstitutional and should be abolished in his book… his manifesto. Maybe that idea is just too extreme for most Americans and now he has to backpeddle?)
Oh, and Perry campaign doesn’t know or can’t say whether he still favors repealing the 16th Amendment which of course he proposes in his manifesto.
Kooks. Kooks, nuts, flakes, flip floppers whose convictions blow in the wind, a corrupt adulterer nobody likes, plus Huntsman, who makes sense but for that reason the base assumes he’s a Democrat. lol.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Posted by: Susan | Aug 22, 2011 2:52:31 PM
Why Nephron, the only thing that has changed is your name. (work on the logic behind your questions and a less creepy voice.)
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 2:56:05 PM
What makes you think anyone cares about the opinions of Obama’s supporters?
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
“What kind of idiot would complain about holding up a bill he hasn’t even submitted?” – Nephron
A Liberal Socialist named Barry Obama who is trying but failing at running a Republic ?
Posted by: Noz | August 22, 2011, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 2:48:53 PM
I’m not Lydia, so I hope she responds as well since I missed that you only wanted her to respond. I’m more fascinated by your lack of logic than the rest. The smoking gun is one you overlaid… the president didn’t praise anything other than the revolutionary products and Jobs’ wealth as a result of innovation. Are you saying that Jobs’ innovation accomplishments shouldn’t be mentioned because the company later utilized alleged sweatshops? And do you apply that standard to Republican leaders and WalMart, Disney, etc. with as much rigor(I suggest being careful; you could actually find better smoking guns if you claim you do. )
Libertarians and conservatives commonly argue, in one form or another, that “sweatshops are good. ” there’s nothing here that connects the president to that sort of ideology or argument.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 3:11:14 PM
As someone who claims to know so much about science and innovation, please share with us your expertise on innovation. Have you ever invented anything? Designed and implemented any software applications? Hold any patents? What intellectual capital have you personally supplied to our society and our economy?
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“Try to stick to the discussions at hand. Your personal attacks are pathetic and show your logic and ability to follow a discussion are failing.”
Posted by: John | Aug 22, 2011 3:19:24 PM
Susan’s questions are totally relevant to the discussion which includes innovation and job creation. Kimberly seems to know a lot about science and energy. I’m sure she’ll be happy to share with everyone her many innovative contributions to society.
Posted by: Don | August 22, 2011, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Libertarians and conservatives commonly argue, in one form or another, that “sweatshops are good. ” there’s nothing here that connects the president to that sort of ideology or argument.
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 3:11:14 PM
Can you please cite those statements and ‘facts’? I’ve not heard about the Republican/Libertarian sweatshop connection. I DO know that our current president obviously thinks it’s okay for innovative ideas to be born here in the US, but as far as manufacturing, assembling, and shipping…well, it doesn’t really matter, does it?
Come on, LYDIA, ooops, sorry, Kimberly, this is like a chef coming up with a fantastic recipe (innovation), then sending it to Mexico to be made, cooked, designed (in a low wage sweatshop) and shipped back to America. The chef gets the kudos, the TV show, the cookware design to be sold at Macy’s, and the Mexican workers get…nothing. Neither do the American workers who STILL don’t have a job. But, hey, as long as Obama and other Democrats like the food and buy the cookware, who cares? Right? Oh, no, wait. According to YOUR logic, only Libertarians and Republicans would enjoy the food and buy the cookware. Just for kicks, they might even watch the TV show, too.
It’s time for the Democrats to climb down off the holier-than-thou highorse and realize they are no different than those they condemn for their alleged ‘wrongdoings’. Give me a break.
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Just for fun…LYDIA, you have repeated time and time again on these blogs to BUY AMERICAN and save jobs. Might I ask, do you own anything with the Apple logo on it? Just wondering. How about NIKE? Dell?
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
“Talk about a lame response.”
Posted by: Trev | Aug 22, 2011 3:21:04 PM
Truth hurts.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 3:31:20 PM
Oh, dear. Honest question: Were you born prior to last year? Delay, Abramoff and Armey don’t ring bells… the same Armey who started the tea party and hired season Republican operatives to help him and the Koch brothers run it? You’ve never heard of Wal-Mart Republicans? lol. If you’re interested check out The Politics of Sweatshops at Columbia University Libertarians, Libertarian Party: ‘Say yes to sweatshops’ at the Independent Political Report, the debate “Sweatshops are ethical” at Cato, or Sweatshops best alternative for some workers @ Voice for Voice For Individual liberty, limited government, and free markets… what do you see as the result of a moratorium on all regulations and restrictions on business (ala Rick Perry again.. or is he backpedaling by now)?
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Give me a break.
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 3:31:20 PM
In your clip Obama was praising innovation and the wealth that arises from innovation. FYI, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers. That’s a BFD.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Susan’s questions are totally relevant to the discussion which includes innovation and job creation. Kimberly seems to know a lot about science and energy. I’m sure she’ll be happy to share with everyone her many innovative contributions to society.
Posted by: Don | Aug 22, 2011 3:29:58 PM
No, they’re personal questions. The same person has tried to ascertain where I live, where I went to school, where I grew up, which states I do business in (filing fees for incorporation vary by state)and is now probing for patent information. It’s creepy. Logical argumentation could proceed without personal questions, but one would have to be intelligent enough to proceed in that fashion. It is not my concern if that is not the case. My privacy isn’t up for sacrifice.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 4:12:54 PM
As someone who claims to know so much about science and innovation, please share with us your expertise on innovation. Have you ever invented anything? Designed and implemented any software applications? Hold any patents? What intellectual capital have you personally supplied to our society and our economy?
If you had any direct personal experience with innovation, you wouldn’t keep evading the questions. This is why nobody cares what Obama’s supporters have to say. They have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Posted by: Jeff | Aug 22, 2011 4:30:42 PM
Kimberly already lost the debate. True innovators and job creators have no problem talking about their experiences.
Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2011, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
If you had any direct personal experience with innovation, you wouldn’t keep evading the questions.
Posted by: Susan | Aug 22, 2011 4:27:34 PM
Because saying I did would be enough proof for you? Yeah? No?
If yes, why would it be?
Let’s unpack your questions and figure out your foundation here: what proof do you offer that (a)I claim to know so much about science and innovation, direct quote and time stamp preferred, and what signifies “so much”? How much would be enough in your opinion to comment on the clip in which the president praises innovation and the wealth derived from it or to know that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers? How much would be enough to comment that leaders in environmental, social, and governance (ESG) policy have 25 percent higher stock value and the fastest-growing stock value or that all business can be conceived as solving real or perceived problems– ask anyone in marketing. Or to realize that if you’re a profit-maximizing capitalist who believes climate change is a hoax, you’ll still do exactly what you’d do if you worried about climate change, which is solve it and other perceived problems– real or not— at a profit. Or to realize that there are opportunities to make money on alternate energy, energy efficiency devices, tech.
what proof do you offer that (b)if I had any direct personal experience with innovation, I wouldn’t keep evading the questions; specifically walk us through that logic and give examples that make that true; provide evidence that you are being reasonable in making that statement. Why would I? What would doing so accomplish? What would be your next questions? Why?
Is it your contention that unless you establish your level of expertise via resume on each and every subject you comment on, that means you have no expertise and your opinion isn’t worthwhile?
Logical argumentation could proceed without personal questions, but one would have to be intelligent enough to proceed in that fashion. It is not my concern if that is not the case. My privacy isn’t up for sacrifice.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
SUSAN posted “The solution to Democrats being bad for the country is not to vote for them. They’ve offered up nothing but demagoguery and empty rhetoric like Hope and Change. We see the results of their failed lunatic ideology all around us.”
Sorry but I lost my job when Bush was in office. I saw our economy nosedive after 6 years of Republican policies. And no, it was NOT 100% of the Republican’s fault; just like it isn’t 100% the Democrats fault.
Neither party is stepping up and really trying to fix our problems. To the politicians, it’s 100% about staying in power. Step one – get lots of money.
Posted by: Faurtz | August 22, 2011, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Give me a break.
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 3:31:20 PM
In your clip Obama was praising innovation and the wealth that arises from innovation. FYI, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers. That’s a BFD.
POSTED BY: KIMBERLY | AUG 22, 2011 4:12:54 PM
And I’m thrilled for them. It’s good to see excellent minds do excellent work. HOWEVER that isn’t the point of this conversation and YOU know it. The more you try to twist and contort it, the sillier you look. Why don’t you just explain to us why Barack Obama and the Democrats think it is worthwhile to grill Republicans on their so-called “sweatshop mentality” while praising those who are actually USING SWEATSHOPS to produce their product without even pointing that dirty little secret out? If he is SO willing to call out the ‘fat cats’ and ‘corporate big wigs’ and ‘the rich’, then why not call out Steve Jobs and Apple for their use of cheap labor? Is there a different score card for those who are in Obama’s pocket? A different rule book for Liberals? Please, Kimberly, do tell.
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Back to a topic of actual interest, Republican opposition to Obama’s proposal for a payroll tax cut extension constitutes support for a tax hike and yet nearly every Republican in Congress has signed Norquist’s and Americans for Tax Reform’s pledges not to raise taxes. Right wingers are big on pledges.
In the not-so-distant past, Norquist himself has referred to the refusal to extend temporary tax cuts as a tax hike and a violation of the pledge. That was his clarification.
I say Republicans are hypocrites and have painted themselves into a pickle BUT the far right extremists who support them no matter what will support whatever they come up with because… well, who really knows why. It makes no sense to the educated and reasonable.
Meanwhile, Henry Bloch — co-founder and chairman emeritus of the tax preparation company H&R Block and a registered Republican — agrees with Warren Buffet and says that “the wealthy have a debt to this country. They can afford to pay it and they should.” He added that the Republican push to protect tax breaks for millionaires in order to promote job creation is “baloney“.
So, do Republicans support all tax hikes now? Or only some?
Why take a pledge if it means nothing?
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
HOWEVER that isn’t the point of this conversation and YOU know it.
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Shoe, it was the point of Obama’s comments that you cut and pasted! Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers. That’s a BFD. That’s the bottom line of the president’s remarks, that and that he celebrates growing wealthy via creativity and innovation like that. You overlaid some unrelated tangent and claim ignorance to the pro-sweat shop libertarian/conservative stance. It’s logically flimsly but ultimately you wanted to have a conversation with someone else so you can await her response to it and maybe she’ll be kinder in overlooking the flaws. I’m stuck on how silly the whole thing is.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
SUSAN | AUG 22, 2011 1:59:36 PM posted: “The solution to Democrats being bad for the country is not to vote for them.”
Here’s the problem. Why would ANY middle class worker want to vote Republican? Or any citizen who is gay or Hispanic?
The rest of the country looks at the crop of Republican carnival barkers and sees the right wing’s own “demagoguery and empty rhetoric” such as “pray for rain” and “businesses are people”.
Remember the uproar over extending the Bush era tax cuts? Now, many of the SAME Republicans who fought to keep those cuts from expiring are FOR allowing Middle Class payroll tax cuts expire. Wait, I thought tax increases were against the Grover Norquist pledge of allegiance.
Apparently the notion of “fiscal conservative” only works when supporting the wealthy who REALLY need those cheap capital gains taxes.
And btw, I am part owner of a company that creates products and has helped contribute to thousands of jobs across the country. And I paid higher taxes under Clinton when Venture Capital was eager to invest in companies like mine. So I’ve seen how my business, jobs, and the economy grew during two vastly different decades. imo, the only real solution for turning around our economy is to vote out every single Republican cracked Tea Pot.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 22, 2011, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
“I am part owner of a company that creates products and has helped contribute to thousands of jobs across the country.”
Posted by: green.goddess | Aug 22, 2011 5:14:43 PM
Yeah, we’ve seen the Amway commercials.
Posted by: Don | August 22, 2011, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
It’s logically flimsly but ultimately you wanted to have a conversation with someone else so you can await her response to it and maybe she’ll be kinder in overlooking the flaws. I’m stuck on how silly the whole thing is.
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 5:00:48 PM
No, Kimberly, you are just stuck. You are stuck because you cannot answer a simple question. Here’s what it boils down to. You and your little liberal hack writers try to twist, turn and spin anyway you can the simple fact that Barack Obama is nothing more than a double-speak, ill informed elitist who would just as soon have a 7-course dinner with the head of a company who utilizes sweat shops as any Republican name you throw out there.
For him to praise the innovator without even having the guts to, at least at a later point, lower the boom on this same innovator for using overseas cheap labor is a JOKE. He is a JOKE. The Democrats crying foul about this are a JOKE. It’s time for everyone to wake up and see that politics is politics. Money is money. Lies are lies. Period. Whether it’s Clinton, Bush, Obama, Perry, Gore, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi, Palin… doesn’t matter.
I’m going to leave it there since I cannot seem to go any further with you on this. I can only hope that you open your eyes and see sooner than later that Obama is nothing more than a politician who uses two sets of rules for those he likes and those he does not. Sorry, Kimberly, I gave you the chance to explain it to us. You lose.
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Posted by: Shoe | Aug 22, 2011 6:02:06 PM
Yep, lies are lies and your tangent is a tangent and your argument is convoluted. Fact of the matter is Obama was praising innovation, AND Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers. That’s innovation. You overlaid some unrelated tangent and claim ignorance to the pro-sweat shop libertarian/conservative stance. It’s logically flimsly but ultimately you wanted to have a conversation with someone else so you can await her response to it and maybe she’ll be kinder in overlooking the flaws. I’m stuck on how silly the whole thing is. But no worries, right wingers won’t notice silly or convoluted. They have a chemical attraction to that sort of thing.
But speaking of lies, which do you believe? The pledges not to hike taxes?Republican opposition to Obama’s proposal for a payroll tax cut extension constitutes support for a tax hike and yet nearly every Republican in Congress has signed Norquist’s and Americans for Tax Reform’s pledges not to raise taxes. Right wingers are big on pledges.
In the not-so-distant past, Norquist himself has referred to the refusal to extend temporary tax cuts as a tax hike and a violation of the pledge. That was his clarification.
I say most Republicans are hypocrites, but maybe not all.
Henry Bloch — co-founder and chairman emeritus of the tax preparation company H&R Block and a registered Republican — agrees with Warren Buffet and says that “the wealthy have a debt to this country. They can afford to pay it and they should.” He added that the Republican push to protect tax breaks for millionaires in order to promote job creation is “baloney“.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
the LSM looks like it is ready to throw obama under the bus
Posted by: DJ | August 22, 2011, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
The rest of the country looks at the crop of Republican carnival barkers and sees the right wing’s own “demagoguery and empty rhetoric” such as “pray for rain” and “businesses are people”.
Remember the uproar over extending the Bush era tax cuts? Now, many of the SAME Republicans who fought to keep those cuts from expiring are FOR allowing Middle Class payroll tax cuts expire. Wait, I thought tax increases were against the Grover Norquist pledge of allegiance.
Apparently the notion of “fiscal conservative” only works when supporting the wealthy who REALLY need those cheap capital gains taxes.
Posted by: green.goddess | Aug 22, 2011 5:14:43 PM
A voice of reason!
Every Republican candidate has also failed to acknowledge Obama’s role in pursuing and capturing Osama bin Laden AND assisting the Libyan people but the Libyan people know: there are photos of them applauding Obama and thanking him and international allies via a huge sign
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
SUSAN | AUG 22, 2011 4:41:47 PM “True innovators and job creators have no problem talking about their experiences.” On an internet blog site with hostile Tea Pots? Some of us prefer to not to open the door of our personal lives to stalkers on Facebook or our web sites.
Suffice to say my small business creates both innovative technology and jobs. But the big question is this: What makes today’s Republicans believe all Progressives are “non-producers” and “moochers”?
Those are Ayn Rand’s words and beliefs. So imo, the Libertarian strain has blossomed in the GOP – after the John Birch Society went underground and was fertilized for decades by Koch funded think tanks and “grass root” start-ups such as the Tea Party.
These people seriously want to create a two tier fantasy land dystopia with a wealthy aristocracy, de-funded government, and zero regulations. Vote them GONE.
Posted by: green.goddess | August 22, 2011, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
I say most Republicans are hypocrites, but maybe not all.
And I say most Democrats are hypocrites, but maybe not all. In your case, and those like you who want to ride the wave of those horrible job killing companies who send jobs overseas and make huge profits, there’s a perfect example.
You’ve made your point as to what Obama was talking about in the ‘cut-and-paste’ I did earlier. HOWEVER, you either cannot or WILL NOT acknowledge the simple fact that Steve Jobs, as one of the founders and leaders of Apple, utilized Chinese sweat shops for his innovative products, and yet, we have NEVER heard at ANY TIME this fact discussed by Barack Obama. NEVER. Say what you want about the Republicans, take all the shots you feel you need to, but it will not change anything. If Barack Obama is unwilling to step up and make known that cheap labor is not something he stands for REGARDLESS of who uses it, then he is no more viable in labor and/or trade agreements than those you have labeled as “uncaring Republicans”. The double standard is stunning.
I would absolutely love to see Obama go into a room full of unemployed American workers and explain to them what a wonderful innovator Steve Jobs is, and that although the innovative products he developed are being manufactured and produced in China, he’s still a great guy. How long do you think it would take that room of people to explode. They don’t really CARE that Steve Jobs innovates. They care about whether or not they get to make that innovation a reality in a factory HERE. I’m all for new and useful technology. I’m also for people in our country WORKING. You’d think the president and other Democrats would be as well. But from his silence on this issue (with Apple), and your unwillingness to explain how you balance the innovator/sweatshop problem, it seems as though I am wrong.
Goodnight all.
Posted by: Shoe | August 22, 2011, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Shoe, can you please name the times and dates when the current GOP candidates for president have called out Steve Jobs or other sweat shops? Provide quotes? sources? Then maybe your tirade will make more sense. For now, it appears you provided a clip in which Obama was praising innovation, AND as it turns out Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak designed, developed, and marketed one of the first commercially successful lines of personal computers. That’s innovation. Meanwhile, the libertarian/conservative stance is that sweat shops are good/ethical and there should be a moratorium on all business regulation, or most.
I’m pro-innovation and don’t really understand why you blame Obama– or shall I say solely Jobs and Obama– for all the jobs that have shipped overseas. It seems illogical at best.
Since you are obviously very passion and overwrought with emotion on this topic, perhaps it would be beneficial if you pushed the candidates you’ve voted into office to do something about manufacturing jobs here and closing tax loopholes for those that ship jobs overseas– or in some form doing something positive and logical. That’s my suggestion.
good luck. I agree we need jobs here. I just don’t see the GOP as having any kind of credibility on job creation or economic stability. They’re flaky free market anarchists who wrestle around with their own positions on tax hikes and place ideology over practicality and common sense.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
“I agree we need jobs here. I just don’t see the GOP as having any kind of credibility on job creation or economic stability.”
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 9:17:22 PM
As opposed to the “credibility” of Obama and the Democrats? According to the BLS, five MILLION workers have dropped out of the national labor force since June 2009 (“Recovery Summer”). We lost another 193,000 workers last month (about the same number of people who were added to our population). Our labor force has SHRUNK to the same size it was 11 years ago. Real unemployment is 50% in Detroit. The current chronic unemployment percentage is higher than it was at the end of the Great Depression (44% vs. 31%). Obama’s policies have been a disaster across the board. His sycophants have a raging case of Stockholm Syndrome.
Posted by: Chuck | August 22, 2011, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Posted by: Chuck | Aug 22, 2011 10:22:32 PM
You haven’t built a case for the GOP having any credibility on job creation or economic stability. Their record is dismal and you haven’t disputed that or presented their proposals or numbers to refute my claim. You have nada. Citing current unemployment numbers due to a crisis with origins that go back to include actions taken by current Republican leadership in the House while under Republican leadership in the house and admin back then seems misguided at best.
Doing your best to tear someone else down doesn’t really build a case for credibility. The GOP doesn’t have credibility simply because you blame Obama for the current state of the economy. From what it sounds like you’re just going on blind faith that a Republican will do better even though you have nothing to base that on.
As I suggested to Shoe, it sounds like your time would be better spent pushing for actual proposals and solutions. Maybe you could do a little research and find out that I’m right. The GOP has no credibility whatsoever on job creation or economic stability.
As it turns out they also have no credibility on taxes, gov’t spending, smaller/ltd gov’t, deficits and debt… but we’ll save that for another day. Try to come up with one little thing that gives them credibility on the job creation front. What have they done for job creation lately?
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Chuck, I’ll help you out… here’s one thing Romney had done to create a couple of jobs. Romney has filed an application with the city to bulldoze his 3,009-square-foot, single-story home at 311 Dunemere Dr. and replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot structure.
Three years ago, Romney bought the “oceanfront manse in La Jolla” for $12 million. His campaign says the house on the property is too small for Romney.
There’s no date yet… but hey, he’s trying. I’ll grant you that;^)
Posted by: Kimberly | August 22, 2011, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 10:49:44 PM
Like I said, Obama’s sycophants have a raging case of Stockholm Syndrome. You made my point for me.
Posted by: Chuck | August 23, 2011, 7:53 am 7:53 am
If Kimberly knew anything about La Jolla she would know that many builders in town are getting business replacing older,smaller houses with bigger houses on connecting lots.I wouldn’t put much trust in her view of the situation-she still doesn’t know what the biggest event is in Oshkosh despite claiming to be an expert on the town.
Posted by: Nephron | August 23, 2011, 9:07 am 9:07 am
The cove is nice,but Black’s Beach is the real eye-opener- a few miles up the coast.
Posted by: Nephron | August 23, 2011, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Nephron, you also haven’t made a case for GOP credibility. You haven’t discussed their job proposals, job record, flip flops on tax hikes… nada. I realize it’s hard. Their record is dismal and they have no job creation plans/solutions just slavish adherence to Hooveresque/Hayekian b.s in a sluggish economic times. The only one who has a solution is Romney, and while you’re right, I know little about LaJolla, I’ve never been lived in California, it’s pretty clear that knocking down one 12 million dollar house to put up something bigger won’t solve the national jobs crisis. You deny that?
lol. (quick, check wikipedia… lol. )
Posted by: Kimberly | August 23, 2011, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Well,since a major part of our economic troubles relate to housing(including a soft construction market) I would think that anything that puts home costruction workers to work is a good thing-particularly in California,where unemployment is at WHAT? Of course,it is probably morally wrong that wealthy people produce jobs by spending their own money, but frankly I find it more practical than having Barack Obama spending your and my money NOT making jobs.Of course,La Jolla is full of rich people so maybe it would be better if we just left that lot vacant.After all,Rommney doesn’t deserve to use his money as he sees fit-he obviously came by it through devious and selfish means. How did Obama come by his money?
Posted by: Nephron | August 23, 2011, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Posted by: Kimberly | Aug 22, 2011 10:52:26 PM
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
- Winston Churchill
Posted by: Susan | August 23, 2011, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Posted by: Nephron | Aug 23, 2011 10:51:21 AM
Here was my original post that you attempted to refute but didn’t, in relation to jobs:
I’ll help you out… here’s one thing Romney had done to create a couple of jobs. Romney has filed an application with the city to bulldoze his 3,009-square-foot, single-story home at 311 Dunemere Dr. and replace it with a two-story, 11,062-square-foot structure.
Three years ago, Romney bought the “oceanfront manse in La Jolla” for $12 million. His campaign says the house on the property is too small for Romney.
There’s no date yet… but hey, he’s trying. I’ll grant you that;^)
Now what is your rebuttal to that, because I can’t find one, nor can I find anything that establishes GOP credibility on job creation, economic growth or even stability.
I realize it’s hard to establish GOP credibility– Their record is dismal and they have no job creation plans/solutions just slavish adherence to Hooveresque/Hayekian b.s in a sluggish economic times– so you can concede and we can leave it at that.
Posted by: Kimberly | August 23, 2011, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Susan, if that’s true and you truly are as fearful of socialism as you seem why do you support the GOP moving so far right they’re in danger of falling into a Horowitz Singularity and emerging as weirdly religious Trotskyites– and why wouldn’t you support my fight against something like that?
Posted by: Kimberly | August 23, 2011, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
“I realize it’s hard to establish GOP credibility– Their record is dismal” – Kimberly
Maybe when you don’t count Reagan or Nixon but even then their record is better than the Demos especially this current batch. Now if you could remove the damage caused by the RINOs then the Repubs are credible.
Posted by: Noz | August 24, 2011, 7:15 am 7:15 am
“I do,” Boehner replied. “When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I’m pretty happy.” Straight from the horses mouth.
The House Republican leader Boehner is a hypocrite. He cried in front of the media when he was elected cause he said his dream came true. Well, his dream truly came true to get what he wants for his own career, now it really shows he is not thinking what is good for the whole country. When he talks, looking back, one can feel what a hypocrite he is, the American dream it is not for him only, but he should sacrifice so it is a dream for more people. That is a true hero. A hero that we would have teary eyes for. The idea of having teary eyes for yourself in public life, but others do not admire you for what you do for them. That is a loser…when I think back he was tearing up for himself in a public office. Loser!!!! His an’t Hero tears.
Boehner stop playing self interest politics and party to win your election for yourself, but do what is great for individual every day Americans. Now Boehner stays away from the media, but we don’t forget how the US economy got here right after the debt ceiling debacle.
Posted by: Robert | August 26, 2011, 7:00 am 7:00 am