New Study Underlines Unfulfilled Promises of Health Care Bill

Obama lies… Americans DIE

OBAMA_______VS_______AMERICA

ABC reporters need to question administration officials and congress, Republican or Democrat, who claim specific dollar changes will be felt 8 years down the road like White House deputy chief of staff DeParle says. If the average family will save $2000 by 2019, I want to see the crystal ball she uses. It is one thing to predict changes for next year, but an entirely different bag of tricks to claim what will happen 8 years from now. The public is not that gullible any more.

So costs are going to go down start in 2014 and we will see savings compared to 2008 by 2019. And this is what the Democrats fought so hard for? What a nightmare Posted by: Denbo | September 29, 2011, 2:25 pm.

Why not ask “and this what the Republicans fought so hard against?”

Why couldn’t the Democrats create INSTANTANEOUSLY cheaper and more widespread health insurance coverage?

I mean the Republicans were in the majority in Congress for 12 years up until 2007 and what did they deliver on health coverage? On immigration reform? On regulating predatory lending? On anything really?

“I mean the Republicans were in the majority in Congress for 12 years up until 2007 and what did they deliver on health coverage? On immigration reform? On regulating predatory lending? On anything really?” – Posted by: Bart | September 29, 2011, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Well, the “hope” died a while ago. But its refreshing for someone to finally admit the “change” was a lie.

Passing legislation to expand coverage using private insurance instead of doing absolutely nothing to expand coverage is a big change.

SearamblerOne…he’s a true liberal: Call him (and his party folk) out on something and you get nothing but an attempted diversion in response. I CAN’T wait until the presidential debates next fall. The president will be called out on his failed economic policies and he’ll give a five minute answer about how HE got bin Laden. He’ll be called out on his divisive, class warfare rhetoric (and policy proposals) and he’ll talk about health care reform. He’ll be called out for doing nothing about illegal immigration when he and his party controlled Congress and he’ll take about the need for civil discourse! Go figure. He’s one of the stupidest geniuses in D.C.

I can’t wait to see Mitt [job killer] Romney get called out on his supposed skills at creating jobs when he’s a literal pro at packing them up and shipping them overseas instead.

Wow. Just….wow.

Actually, by 2019, how many people will be bankrupt and unable to afford ANY health insurance? And so it’s okay for insurance companies to gouge consumers NOW, to build their profit nest egg NOW, and we’ll see where everyone’s at come 2014? How do people pay more than $1000 a month for healthcare? The insurance companies are going to come out on top of the steaming pile. Wait and see.

who ever the republican nominee is i wouldnt even bother to debate obama as anything he says will never be reality. i would run against obamas record and its speaks for itself.why bother debating a party that is in denial and completely out of touch with 60% of americans. we know we have hard work ahead and we dont need it watered down by liberal theology. they had their chance and failed miserably.

The government doesn’t have to do anything about health coverage, Protecting against Communicable Diseases are in the General Wellfare, Chronic Disease, Cancer and Diabetes aren’t.

can’t believe jim has such a selective memory. all of this criticism from someone who probably supports the trial lawyers, vilifies those who want tort control, and flatly rejects any possibliity of introducing reforms that would allow for more competition among insurances. all of this criticism from someone whose party of choice can’t even get a budget passed. all this criticism from someone whose party sat on a huge majority and accomplished squat EXCEPT for producing a product that skyrockets the price of health care. by the way jim, if you don’t have a good grasp of the FACTS, don’t be so quick to enter the debate!

Posted by: Jim—Healthcare is a personal responsibility, they didn’t need to do anything, they don’t need to do anything. The is no Constitutional Mandate saying they need to do anything. Because of that they can’t do anything.

Wow. It is going up $1500 a year, but she says it will go donw $2500 by 2019? How comforting. These people are crooks.

Over 85% of American Citizens were HAPPY with their health insurance before Obama and company stuck their noses in. I wonder what the numbers are now.

I wonder, will that predicted/estimated/completely-made-up savings of $2000 be in 2008 dollars, shaky 2011 dollars, or worthless, hyperinflated 2019 dollars? Or maybe she meant 2000 yuan.

“The Republicans were in the majority in Congress for 12 years up until 2007 and what did they deliver on health coverage? On immigration reform? On regulating predatory lending? On anything really? Anything at all.”———-What a laugh. And the dems? increase the national debt by 30% in three years. Now that is just great!

SearamblerOne…he’s a true liberal: Call him (and his party folk) out on something and you get nothing but an attempted diversion in response. I CAN’T wait until the presidential debates next fall. The president will be called out on his failed economic policies and he’ll give a five minute answer about how HE got bin Laden. He’ll be called out on his divisive, class warfare rhetoric (and policy proposals) and he’ll talk about health care reform. He’ll be called out for doing nothing about illegal immigration when he and his party controlled Congress and he’ll take about the need for civil discourse! Go figure. He’s one of the stupidest geniuses in D.C. ———————– Anyone who expected the health care law to decrease premiums overnight is living in a fantasy land. At least now there’s a chance that premiums might go down in the future. Leaving things they way they had been would have only been worse. I’m not a fan of the health care reform that was passed because it still leaves insurance companies in charge, but it’s a start. The Republicans have done nothing about health care. I also can’t wait for the presidential debates because I fully expect the president to run circles around the republican candidate and then feed that candidate his or her lunch. It should be like taking candy from a baby. Oh, and bin Laden was caught on Obama’s watch.

Actually, in 2004/2005, the Republicans passed major changes to Medicare Part C and insituted Medicare Part D, both of which have become highly popular with seniors

Posted by: Dennis Byron | September 29, 2011, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Oh yes, Medicare Part D is Bush’s unpaid for seniors drug program that is anticipated to add between $800 BILLION and a TRILLION dollars to the national debt in it’s first 10 yea

Isn’t that part of the ongoing deficits and debt for which the Republicans blame and attack President Obama ?

Republicans once more talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Simply put, this so called healthcare bill has nothing in it that calls out insurance companies and holds them accountable for premiums and healthcare costs. Wake up!

Posted by: Jim | September 29, 2011, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Medicare Part D was Ted Kennedy’s baby. He never complained once about the debt it added, nor did he care.

This is interesting….

Jul 16, 2009 5:48pm
President Obama Continues Questionable “You Can Keep Your Health Care” Promise

ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:

At a rally in Holmdel, New Jersey, today, President Obama continued making a promise about health care reform that he has acknowledged isn’t literally true.

“Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,” the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.”

But last month, as the president acknowledged during a press conference, he doesn’t literally mean that you are guaranteed to be able to keep your health care plan, and your doctor, if and when health care reform passes.

“When I say ‘If you have your plan and you like it,… or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don’t have to change plans,’” the president said after we asked him about this, “what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform.”

Importantly, the government might create circumstances – say, a public health care option that is less expensive since profit is not a concern and overhead is lower – where you might find your business forcing you into that public plan.

Pressed by Diane Sawyer in an interview that same day, the president acknowledged this, saying, “I can’t pass a law that says, ‘I’m sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees.’ What I can say is that the government is not going to force you to, your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you’re happy with it, and your employer’s happy with it, keep it.”

At the ABC News’ health care forum with the president the next night, the president made a slightly different claim that “if you are happy with your plan, and if you are happy with your doctor, we don’t want you to have to change.”

In the audience was John Sheils, senior vice president of The Lewin Group, a health care policy research and management consulting firm, who estimated that up to 70 percent of those with private insurance would end up on the public plan.

“There are a whole series of ways that we could design this,” the president responded, arguing that employers would be given a “disincentive” to shift their employees to the public plan.

-Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

So, you can keep your insurance, until you can’t. And your employer can continue to provide that very insurance, until they don’t. And Obama can feed you a line of crap, until he gets caught.

So republicans had control of congress for 12 years big deal. How many years have the democrats have been in charge of congress since WW11 I would venture to say most of them and what did they do about the topics you mentioned. All the dems want to do in create more dependence on the federal government so that they can control the people. Give a man a fish and you own him, teach a man to fish and he is his own man…

So let me see now, by 2019 a typical family will see a savings of $2,500 a year. But by then insurance could have gone up to $25,000 a year! So that same family now paying $15,000 a year will be paying $22,500 in 2019! That makes me feel much better!!!!!! Ouch!!!! Obamacare is a LIE, Obama is a joke!!!!! Liberal Democrats have LIED about everything!!!!!!! – Many people are working for health care coverage, not wages! Obamacare changes NOTHING!!!!

I see the lyin-sack Liberals are re-writing the history of Medicare Part D …AGAIN!
Medicare D was originally proposed by AL GORE during the 2000 campaign. Gore DARED Bush to devise his own plan. Medicare D was a campaign promise kept – unlike the current TelePrompter Stooge who criticized Bush and debt before adding $4 TRILLION in 3 years and “promised” to close Gitmo.
Keep spinning Libs…

The Republicans were in the majority in Congress for 12 years up until 2007 and what did they deliver on health coverage? On immigration reform? On regulating predatory lending? On anything really? Anything at all.

Still waiting . . . .

The premium I pay for my child-only policy has gone up 4 times since the Act and the deductible has gone up three times.. Every time, the reason mention in the letter outlining the increase was the Act.

I also pay a Washington State run health care insurance policy for myself. It covers everything but has a cap of $100,000 a year. I supplement this with a “catastrophic-only plan”.

BOTH of these plans will be eliminated when the Act comes to full fruition in 2013-2014. The State plan because the “cap” will no longer be legal and the “catastrophic plan” because it does not qualify as a “Qualified Plan” under the Act.

The plan for me and my son that I will have to buy on the “exchanges” will be $878 a month minimum according to the Kaiser Foundation. Almost DOUBLE of what I pay now for my two plans.

Please, someone tell me how the Act has helped me? I see that the private, free market system along with the States can find a solution for everyone. Why then the insistence that the Federal Government control health care?

The Kaiser Family Foundation shows family premiums topped $15,000 a year for the first time in 2011, increasing a whopping 9% this year, three times more than the increase the year before.

The study says that up to 2% of that increase is because of the health care law’s provisions, such as allowing families to add grown children up to 26 years old to their policies.
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Did anybody read that last sentence? The Kaiser study says only 2% (or less) of the increase is because of Obamacare.

A full 7% is for other reasons.

Posted by: Jude | September 30, 2011, 12:05 am 12:05 am

Way to go, ABC News – you refused to vet this community organizer, continue to carry water for him, and only now are realizing the damage he has done to America.

“Give a man a fish and you own him, teach a man to fish and he is his own man… — Posted by: Trailwood”

Let a man make his choices, you can’t control him.

Legislate a man’s choices so he has to make the choices you “approve” of; you own his free will.

Oh wait, that wasn’t the point you were making at all… so how am I “my own man” when the only choice I can make is the one you’ve legislated to me again? Oh yes, I’m not… but you want to pretend this is better instead of removing choices to force me into a specific action that you determine I should be doing regardless if I want to or not.

How is making all my choices for me not :”owning” me? Or do you not bother to think about your idiotic bumper sticker style slogans before appending them to your comments?

Ok, so the plan that was promised to “bend the cost curve downward” instead “bent the cost curve upward” and your defense is “well it’s only costing you 2% more than you would have owed otherwise; that’s close to saving you money… really?

Posted by: ertdfg | September 30, 2011, 2:32 am 2:32 am

Not at all, my point is the bulk of the cause of the increases in premiums has nothing to do with Obamacare – and that this information is ‘buried’ it the article. In other words, its a slanted piece of writing.

The writer starts with an example that is WAY outside of the Kaiser study’s findings (the flower shop) and buries the actual 2% finding of the Kaiser study way down in the piece.

Yes it is true. This year mine increased about that same amount with the exception of my deductible. Went from $500 to $2500… THANKS AGAIN OBAMA

I would say most of us did not get to keep our insurance we like because of obama. He lied.

Typical conversation – Democrats and Liberals crying about what they want and did not get from Government (read taxpayers). Republicans and Conservatives just wanting to be left alone.
All you morons who keep reposting the “What did Republicans do?” post should realize that we don’t want Government to do a bunch of stuff. We want it to do the few enumerated things it is allowed to do by the Constitution, then stop and just leave us alone to run our lives.

The American people, in general, have become very gullible. Had they read the bill for themselves and been willing to listen to constructive criticism, they could have known all this before the bill was passed. NONE of this shoudl be a surprise. And despite what Obama says, it’s going to get worse, not better. And if you read the bill even now, the average American with any common sense could figure that out for themselves! This law needs to repealed IN FULL and SOON! Why do Americans vote for people who don’t read the laws that are passed before they vote for them and tell them that we’ll all be THRILLED as we all begin to read this law (including Congressman) and find out what wonderful things are in the bill. Many of the folks who pushed this bill not having read it but knowing what terrible things were in it are liars and should be impeached. It’s not just imcompetence alone – it’s outright FRAUD. And I pray we correct this and send a message to Washington in November 2012 if not before.

“What the president promised is that under health care reform, that he would make it more possible for people to have choices in these (health insurance) exchanges,”…BS. He said if we liked our health care plan we could keep it. That does not mean the same as we will provide choices in the exchanges. Spin, spin,spin.

So by 2019 how much do you think your insurance premiums will have gone up? At 9% a year they will be about double what they are now. Then knock off $2000 and they’ll still be 80-90% higher than now. So the claim that Obamacare will lower your insurance premiums was complete bullsh*t and they knew it was a lie when they were trying to get it passed. Hopefully the Supreme Court strikes this law down so we can start from scratch.

Oh, I get it! You’ll lose $15k the next few years but you’ll save $2k in 2020. You can take 90% of the nation’s problems and assign it to one thing; L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S.

Hopefully the Supreme Court strikes this law down so we can start from scratch.

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Start from scratch doing what? -absolutely nothing like the Republicans have been doing for 30 years? If this law fails it will conclusively prove we cannot expand coverage using private insurance alone….it will be time for a public option or single payer.

@AuntieDance
@Jim

You are misinformed about Medicare Parts C and D. My guess is that you are not on Medicare and that you are simply repeating some Democratic talking points. I am an independent and simply look at the facts, primarily put out by MedPAC — the non-partisan arm of Congress that acts like CBO acts for the entire budget but just for Medicare.

Nationally — on the average (which is admittedly a big asterisk) — Secretary Sebilieus and CMS Director Beriwick have announed that both Part C and D premiums will decrease in 2012. The number of people on Part C has doubled since the 2006 upgrade of it by the Republican Congress to the point that one in four seniors now subscribe to a Part C plan instead of Parts A and B. The cost of D has come in 40% under the CBO estimate so far and the delta between CBO’s 10-year-estimate and actual is growing and favorable, probably not coincidentally in inverse proportion to how the CBO’s estimate of how much the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will cost vs. what it is really costing. More important, there is preliminary information that the ability of people to afford their prescriptions because of Part D is lowering Medicare Part A and Part B (fee for service hospital and doctor) costs to the Federal government.

Whoever said their mother is paying more… shop around. Rates are dropping all over the place (other than the actual Medicare Part B premium itself of course — I haven’t seen whether that will be frozen again in 2012 or go up… but it won’t go down because it’s a government-administered fee).

Skip–”I think somebody else is spinning…by taking liberties with the figures. Obama added about $1.5 trillion in NEW DEBT, that is debt that was not prior obligations. Keep spinning right-wingers.”– You’re the one who’s “spinning” 1.3 trillion was the ADDED debt load for this year alone.. ALL DEBT is based on ongoing obligations..Every budget has to take into consideration what those ongoing considerations are… the DEBT laod becomes the responsibiliy of the current administration and congress.. Do you think that Clinton did not have any “ongoing obligations” in his budgets that were passed onto Bush? the outlays for Social security are passed on to EVERY NEW budget, along with Defense outlays, and mandatory spending.. the only thing that we have control over is descretionary spending.. and off budget expenses.. THOSE have skyrocketed under this adiminstration… Tarp 2 and the stimulus alone accounted for over 1 trillion in new debt.. we have tripled the length of unemployment benefits, increased food stamp programs, welfare programs, and through continuing resolutions (we haven’t actually HAD a budget since 2009) we have steadily increased spending by over 1 trillion per year…

Jake, thanks for the good practice of journalism!
The increase of premiums is by design, Pres. Obama in a 2004 video
mentioned that it will take 10 to 15 years to make the US Healthcare a
“Single Payer” system, that has been a Liberal dream for many decades.
You will hear that the increased premiums are due to the
“greedy” insurance companies, which will garner more support
foreliminating more and more private insurers. This is SO AGAINST
the virtues of LIMITED GOVERNMENT in our constitution it is almost
laughable!

How did this get by the editor? What? DId Obama suddenly turn conservative ro something? How dare ABC bash him, their golden boy! Just keep blaming Bush until the problem goes away! How racist and bigoted of ABC to try and hold a liberal black man accountable! YES WE CAN! CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!