Sep 15, 2011 11:09pm

Obama: Election Odds Better in 2012 Than 2008

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At a campaign fundraiser Thursday night in Washington, D.C., President Obama said he believes his chances of being reelected in 2012 are “much higher” than they were in 2008.

“Over the last couple of months there have been Democrats who voiced concerns and nervousness about, well, in this kind of economy, isn’t this just — aren’t these just huge headwinds in terms of your reelection?” Obama said.

“And I just have to remind people that, here’s one thing I know for certain: the odds of me being reelected are much higher than the odds of me being elected in the first place.”

Obama made the remarks before a gathering of 50 donors to his reelection campaign and the Democratic National Committee who each paid $35,800 to attend.

The event was held at the Georgetown home of former U.S. ambassador to Portugal Elizabeth Frawley Bagley.

“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”

 

User Comments

C’mon, ABC, did you reprint some satire from the The Onion? LOL!!

Posted by: Mary | September 15, 2011, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

Good lord, the man’s gone delusional.

Posted by: Dude | September 15, 2011, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Reported to Attack Watch!!! This is not positive enough. Our President deserves better.

Posted by: Delusional Lib | September 15, 2011, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Good lord, the man’s gone delusional.

Posted by: Dude | September 15, 2011, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Not at all . . .

Wednesday, September 14
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 50, Perry 42 Obama +8
General Election: Romney vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Romney 43 Obama +6
General Election: Paul vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Paul 42 Obama +7
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 54, Bachmann 36 Obama +18

Posted by: Blaze | September 15, 2011, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Here’s where Obama’s wrong: back then the “headwinds” he was facing was obscurity. We didn’t know who he was. He was that blank slate that, as he put it, people could project themselves onto.

Today? No one wants to project themselves on what is now a graffit-filled slate, much of it scrawling out un-hopeful messages like “9.2%.”

I’m actually glad to see he feels this way, though. The thought of him pulling an LBJ and dropping out sends a shiver down my spine as the shadow of Hillary darkens the stage.

Posted by: MaxMBJ | September 15, 2011, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Posted by: MaxMBJ | September 15, 2011, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

You’re presuming your bias extends to other people . .. not really . ..

Wednesday, September 14
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 50, Perry 42 Obama +8
General Election: Romney vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Romney 43 Obama +6
General Election: Paul vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Paul 42 Obama +7
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 54, Bachmann 36 Obama +18

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 12:01 am 12:01 am

I hope he continues to think this way. A narcissist will always be a narcissist.

Posted by: 1wakeupcall | September 16, 2011, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Unbelievable. The man will have a four year record of economic destruction, debt, political payoffs, a PLO state next to Israel, an Iranian nuclear bomb, Arab Jihadists taking control of the Arab spring… and he think he has a better shot in 2012 then he did in 2008, when the entire mainsteam media was cheer leading for him to become the first black president … my God, this idiot is living in a fantasy world. This is the reality inside the head of the leader of what was left of the free world?

Posted by: John Day | September 16, 2011, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Head to head polls are meaningless at this stage.

Posted by: Nemov | September 16, 2011, 12:01 am 12:01 am

Oh they’re not ‘meaningless’ at all. They tell where people are at right now and they point out President Obama is not at all ‘delusional’ about his odds at this point. It’s the right wing poster who are delusional.

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Posted by: John Day | September 16, 2011, 12:09 am 12:09 am

17 straight months of economic growth after the Bush disaster, most of the debt also Bush’s fault (43% and counting), no political payoffs of any large or illegal degree (certainly nothing like the Halliburton sole source contracts), a PLO state is thought by most people to be the desired goal, there is no Iranian nuclear bomb and they arent’ even close, Jihadist have not taken over the Arab Spring . ..

Love your attempt at ‘facts’ though . .. speaking of delusional.

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 12:14 am 12:14 am

Don’t “higher odds” actually mean a worse chance? Maybe he phrased it that way on purpose. Considering that his chance of winning the 2008 general election was 100%, how can his chances be better in 2012?

Posted by: Alex | September 16, 2011, 12:25 am 12:25 am

“I’ve been a registered Republican for 50 years or more, but I don’t like what they are doing,” said Ray DiPietro, 78, a retiree who lives in Minoa, New York. Republicans “are more concerned about getting Obama out of office than with making things right,” he said.

DiPietro said he gets several e-mails a day from Republican supporters who put Obama down and “tear him apart, and that’s no way for grownups to talk.” The retiree said there’s “no way in hell” he will vote for a Republican in 2012.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 12:26 am 12:26 am

So this DiPietro guy won’t vote for a candidate based on the rantings of a few voters? Has he considered voting based on the qualifications of the canditates?

As an experiment, have this guy post somewhere that he thinks Obama is war criminal, an incompetent moron, and a full-blown Communist. (Much worse was spewed againt W. for eight straight years.) If he posts his email address, I’m sure the emails he gets from Obama supporters will be similar, if not worse, than what he is getting from republican voters. If the experiment is a success, then surely he won’t be able to vote for a democrat in 2012, either.

Also, isn’t getting Obama out of office the first step in making things right? If a republican were president right now, the first step in “making things right”, in the minds of democrats, would be to get the republican president out of office.

This DiPietro guy either isn’t very bright, or he’s just a hypocrite.

Posted by: Alex | September 16, 2011, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Alex you’ll find that there are thousands of Republicans feeling exactly the same way.

Indianapolis Republican Nicole Olin shares his angst.

“They seem like they are unwilling to budge as far as tax increases,” said Olin, 31, a bank supervisor. “If this country is ever going to get out of trouble, they are going to have to compromise.”

Olin said families have to cut spending and bring in more income in tough times, and the government should do the same. She hasn’t decided how she will vote in next year’s presidential race.

“I do put the majority of the blame on the Republicans, because they seem to be the least willing to give up anything,” she said. “Just because a majority votes you in doesn’t mean you don’t have to compromise in one way, shape or form to make sure you do what’s good for everyone.”

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 12:41 am 12:41 am

If a republican were president right now, the first step in “making things right”, in the minds of democrats, would be to get the republican president out of office.
____________________________________________

This is where you’re wrong Alex. The Democrats work and compromise with Republicans to get the best things possible under the circumstances accomplished.

The Republicans election tactic is to refuse everything – even bring the country to a debt default crisis – in order to make things NOT work so Obama will be defeated. That’s been fairly obvious from the beginning.

And their tactics for decades now have been smear and fear campaigns. Not good for the country.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 12:45 am 12:45 am

(Much worse was spewed againt W. for eight straight years.)

Posted by: Alex | September 16, 2011, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Nonsense. Bush received tremendous support from all parties and all corners after 9/11. He was supported in his moves against Afghanistan and al Qaeda and the Taliban.

It was only when he pulled his neo-con wet dream of an attack on Iran out of his pocket that things shifted against him. Still, many many Democratic politicians gave him the benefit of the doubt and supported the Commander in Chief. Everyday Americans didn’t.

By the time Bush left office, his approval figures had hit 20%, the country was hugely in debt and the economy had collapsed.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 12:50 am 12:50 am

This just shows that it is time for the 25th amendment, section 4, to be invoked.

Posted by: John Q Public | September 16, 2011, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Posted by: John Q Public | September 16, 2011, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Not at all …

Wednesday, September 14
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 50, Perry 42 Obama +8
General Election: Romney vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Romney 43 Obama +6
General Election: Paul vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 49, Paul 42 Obama +7
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama Reuters/Ipsos Obama 54, Bachmann 36 Obama +18

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:00 am 1:00 am

This from a man that thinks giving a temporary tax credit to a business if they give
an employee a raise that would be permanent. Absolutely no clue.

Posted by: deadwrestler | September 16, 2011, 1:04 am 1:04 am

I have to agree that this confidence on his behalf, in the face of economic ruin, indicates delusional behavior and the 25th amendment, section 4 should seriously be considered.

Posted by: MediaMan | September 16, 2011, 1:06 am 1:06 am

NOT WITH NEWS LIKE THIS!! ——– The Energy Department is trying to explain reports that its $38.6 billion loan guarantee program, designed to ignite the nation’s clean energy sector, has created only 3,500 permanent jobs — despite spending half the allocated amount already and boasting it would create or save 64,000 jobs!!!!! —– Just like the rest of the administration — HOT AIR!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 16, 2011, 1:09 am 1:09 am

When Dems had almost all the control in the country… what did they prove to us… that they would do ANYTHING to pursue their agenda!! — They would cram legislation down the throats of Americans when 65% of them said “wait, we need to review this, we don’t like this!” —– ANYTHING AFTER THAT is a moot point!! — Obama and the Dems proved their DISDAIN for the American people at that point and didn’t deserve our respect!! — Obamacare and Dodd-Frank changed everything!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 16, 2011, 1:12 am 1:12 am

in the face of economic ruin

Posted by: MediaMan | September 16, 2011, 1:06 am 1:06 am

You might want to have yourself checked for delusional aspects – we’ve seen 18 straight months of economic growth after the Bush disaster.

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:17 am 1:17 am

we’ve seen 18 straight months of economic growth after the Bush disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Really, growth, where? Unemployment is STILL above 9%. ABC………All Barack Channel.

Posted by: Beechie | September 16, 2011, 1:23 am 1:23 am

The Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and didn’t pass budget and didn’t do anything about the debt ceiling. They passed a huge stimulus under Bush, which they shouldn’t have done, but passed a bigger one under Obama, $500+ million of which went to a company that just declared bankruptcy just over a year later and whose main financier is Democratic donor. The Gunwalker case gets worse by the day as more murders are discovered with weapons that were allowed to walk out of gun shops under Democratic leadership. The Health Care Law is a joke as more and more waivers are given to companies because it would break them. In many cases people are going to see their rates rise. A couple years ago I got an extra $40 a month back in taxes but had to repay it at the end of the year, some stimulus that was. There have only been two good decisions to come out the White House and Navy SeALs were involved in both but any president, regardless of party, could have made those decisions. It was released today that pressure was placed on an Air Force General to adjust his testimony to Congress regarding GPS and cell phone technology to favor a company that has donated to the Democratic Party.

That said, neither side is perfect and you can’t please all the people all the time but it seems every week something shady comes out about this administration. Whether it goes to the highest office or head of department within an agency it is ultimately Obama’s show and he is responsible and ignorance is not an excuse. There is too much baggage on this administration and there is no way Obama is better off now than he was the last election.

Posted by: pfft | September 16, 2011, 1:33 am 1:33 am

we’ve seen 18 straight months of economic growth after the Bush disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Really, growth, where? Unemployment is STILL above 9%. ABC………All Barack Channel.

Posted by: Beechie | September 16, 2011, 1:23 am 1:23 am

Real GDP has grown since the 3rd quarter of 2009 after the Bush economic collapse devastated the economy. These figures are easily available. There has been no ‘economic ruin’ – at least not under Obama. Under Bush, yes. Under Obama, no.

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:33 am 1:33 am

>Real GDP has grown since the 3rd quarter of 2009 after the Bush economic collapse devastated
>the economy. These figures are easily available. There has been no ‘economic ruin’ – at least not
>under Obama. Under Bush, yes. Under Obama, no.

No one should expect much from the ABC forums, but this is an absurd line of reasoning. The nation moved into a mild recovery following the downturn late in the Bush administration, plateaued, and is now seeing the fulfillment of a predicted decrease in 2011. As you have said, these data are readily available.

There is no question that Bush-era spending and longtime federal policies re: home loans contributed to the economic collapse, just as there is no question that the Obama administration’s out-of-control spending, corruption, and disastrous stimulus packages have contributed to what will soon be a double-dip recession. Obama has failed both economically and socially, and now it’s time for change that we all (or at least 50% of us) can believe in.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2011, 2:53 am 2:53 am

“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,”

contest of ideas? What is he talking about?

Posted by: eli | September 16, 2011, 3:04 am 3:04 am

There’s nothing better than starting the day off with a good laugh. Thanks!

Posted by: Matt | September 16, 2011, 4:58 am 4:58 am

Is this guy for real. Who has he been talking too? Last I read his confidence vote was so low and then he put his costly jobs bill on the table. He has destroyed this country in just a few short years. He gets No Vote from me!

Posted by: diamond | September 16, 2011, 5:22 am 5:22 am

It cracks me up all the liberals blame Bush for everything. They seem to forget that a democratic led congress and senate beginning in 2006 led to the economic crisis. All parties are at fault. But after 3 years in office it is still Bush’s fault. Please take a little bit of responsibility. Obama is in over his head. He has no solutions and at that is a poor leader.

Posted by: American in Italy | September 16, 2011, 5:36 am 5:36 am

obama only won 53-47. It wasn’t a “landslide”. Lots of people who voted for him won’t do so again. Who among those who voted against him will change the other way?

Posted by: Rick H | September 16, 2011, 6:49 am 6:49 am

Dear Leader has spoken. Have you used the assigned towel to clean his portrait displayed in a spot of honor in your home? Inspection is at noon. Be ready. All hail Dear Leader. Upon his victory by 100% the calendar will be set back to year zero. Glory.

Posted by: Emerson | September 16, 2011, 6:52 am 6:52 am

I’m amazed people are paying $35,800 to attend an Obama fundraiser. So much for the grassroots, $2 donation lie.

Posted by: ctmom | September 16, 2011, 7:05 am 7:05 am

What is this guy thinking? Last Gallop poll; 39% approve, 52% disapprove. If the Republicans can come up with a decent candidate he doesn’t have a chance.

Posted by: newcountryman | September 16, 2011, 7:16 am 7:16 am

A little less than 2 years to go in his first term and Obama the Genius is already worrying about re-election? Sounds about right for the Feckless Twerp. Bam-Bam is the quintessential pencil-neck geek.

Posted by: spoofproof | September 16, 2011, 7:33 am 7:33 am

Waiter! I’d like to order whatever he’s having–with a side of Rose Colored Glasses, please.

Posted by: EGBOK321 | September 16, 2011, 7:42 am 7:42 am

President Obama said he believes his chances of being reelected in 2012 are “much higher” than they were in 2008.

Good Grief!
Why oh why does the President insist on showing us just how out of touch he really is!
You have to be kidding me.

Posted by: Noz | September 16, 2011, 7:55 am 7:55 am

I’ve never considered myself a democrat, but the sad fact is that the republicans keep parading a band of idiots before us thinking it will get them a spot in the White House. Once again it becomes a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Obama may be an idiot, but even he’s not that stupid and he knows that a lot of people will be forced to vote for him over someone who could be even worse. Someone needs to come up with a candidate with some common sense because frankly, I am sick of the whole damn game.

Posted by: nhmom2007 | September 16, 2011, 8:00 am 8:00 am

This country was founded on hatred of others because there have always been those that were always hated in this country. Now we have republican and democrat hatred of each other and instead of growing up and getting over it we continue to hate because it is ingrained into our society from the beginning. I guess its true that old habits are hard to break and our country will always hate in spite of what it suppose to stand for which is a the right to have the freedom to believe differently from each other.

Posted by: achillies | September 16, 2011, 8:10 am 8:10 am

Bachmann says the hurricane and earthquake are God’s warning, Perry says Social Security is a scam, Romney says health care for everyone is un-American, Ron Paul says FEMA shouldn’t exist… there has never been a bigger bunch of purely “Crazy” candidates running for president than the current GOP!

Yep I think Obama has a chance of winning again. Obama 2012

Posted by: achillies | September 16, 2011, 8:13 am 8:13 am

When one compares the president to the hard right wing candidates like Perry and the empty suit businessman Romney, 2012 does look like Obama could win. What is the better of the two evils? Someone that wants to abolish Social Security or someone who is willing to work for the middle class and save Social Security for future generations?

Posted by: Bob | September 16, 2011, 8:22 am 8:22 am

Democrats have it the bag in 2012!!!

Posted by: GaryJohnsonSupporter | September 16, 2011, 8:23 am 8:23 am

Obamas chances of being reelected could never meet the expectations of 2008. In 2008 the Dems did a great job of painting Bush as the Devil and Obama as the Savior. Well the illusions and false expectations have come to roost. The rosy Prophecies of the savior have yet to come to pass, In fact we now have the worst unemployment in decades. Our spending is 25% higher than the day he was elected. The recession has continued and worsened. If he had come into his presidency with realist views and expectations, America may have been more forgiving. But instead he was elected on the promise of immediate turn around in our economy. Instead he will surpass Jimmy Carters ranking as the worst president ever. And all he had to do was follow Regan’s path he took taking over the worst recession at that time since the Great Recession.The path that led to the creation of 24 million jobs and worked so well that Clinton barely touched a thing when he came President and the prosperity continued.

Posted by: Marc | September 16, 2011, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Considering who his opposition will be, he’s got a great chance of being re-elected. Even though the Republicans are doing their level best to keep America poor and ignorant………….

Posted by: Searambler | September 16, 2011, 8:36 am 8:36 am

On the second thought, I think Obama will be re elected in 2012 . Obama is a good chess player. He blew a trillion of Stimulus money to create job lost and he extended the unemployment benefit to feed these little cats while he is a fat cat Fifty percent of the population in the great USA does not pay income tax, thanks to Obama.

Obama wins! America lost, period. Welcome to a new world of welfare and food stamps. Our sponsor is no one else but the giant China .

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 16, 2011, 8:36 am 8:36 am

Some idiot wrote, “A little less than 2 years to go in his first term and Obama the Genius is already worrying about re-election?”

LOL! The election is less than 14 months away. Yes, he’s preparing his re-election campaign, just like every other president in history has. Your comment is really, really silly………

Posted by: Searambler | September 16, 2011, 8:38 am 8:38 am

LOL! His odds are better now than in 2008! What a sense of humor this guy has! Obama needs to show his goofy side more often! After 3 years of total failure, his odds are actually good! LOL!

Posted by: commonsensenow | September 16, 2011, 8:40 am 8:40 am

acdc2012 blathered, “Fifty percent of the population in the great USA does not pay income tax, thanks to Obama.”

Why is it that the morons on the Right feel it necessary to LIE in order to make a point? Is it simply being deliberately dishonest, or is it willful and egregious ignorance of the basic facts about how our country runs and what its recent history is? Claiming that Obama is responsible for something like this is so stunningly STUPID as to virtually defy comment. If this person typifies the current level of ‘thinking’ on the Right, then Obama has clear sailing into another term…………

Posted by: Searambler | September 16, 2011, 8:42 am 8:42 am

“If you love me”…That quote from him yesterday pretty much says it all…

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 8:45 am 8:45 am

“And I just have to remind people that, here’s one thing I know for certain: the odds of me being reelected are much higher than the odds of me being elected in the first place.” -Obama

Everything else being equal, he’s correct. Unfortunately for him eveything else isn’t equal.
In 2008 he didn’t have a track record of crony capitalism.
In 2008 he didn’t have a track record of going on vacation after vacation while problems that he needed to deal with piled up.
In 2008 he didn’t have a track record of running deficits into the stratosphere.
In 2008 he didn’t have a track record of being an economy killer.
In 2008 he didn’t have a track record of ignoring high unemployment.

Posted by: Larry | September 16, 2011, 8:46 am 8:46 am

The Republicans remind me of a spoiledl, selfish cry baby child, who won’t let anyone play baseball because it’s his ball and he’s taking it home with him.

Posted by: blind spot | September 16, 2011, 8:47 am 8:47 am

It’s offical, Obama is an idiot.

Posted by: billy bob | September 16, 2011, 8:50 am 8:50 am

“Democrats have it the bag in 2012!!!” – GaryJohnsonSupporter

Yep, 10lbs of “it” in a 5lb bag.

Posted by: Noz | September 16, 2011, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Hey Blaze,
Please do not us reuters/ipsos polling as your proof. They poll 45%Dem, 30%GOP, 25% Indy, they poll All Adults, and then they only poll 900 which is to small for an accurate polling size for the whole nation. The actual numbers for polling are 31%Dem, 34%GOP, 35% Indy. When you poll with these numbers, ask Likely voters(voters who have voted at least once in the last two election cycles) and a polling size of 1500, the numbers for Obama Flip, and he starts losing in most matches head to head. So keep going with those talking points from the guy who pays you, George Soros, and be utterly surprised when the dems are wiped out as a voice in government.

Posted by: Eh2Zed | September 16, 2011, 8:59 am 8:59 am

SEARAMBLER you are a joke. If you want us to live by the US Constitution, you all should vote for Ron Paul in 2012. The networks paint him as a loon but if you actually read the Constitution you would see every idea he has comes right out of what used to make this country great. Ron Paul 2012!!!

Posted by: HERR1280 | September 16, 2011, 9:01 am 9:01 am

That’s the problem with Tyrants they never know when enough is enough. They get delusional.

“pass this bill, or the bridge I’m standing on will collapse”

Posted by: Joe Blow | September 16, 2011, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Hey Blaze……..Weiners seat gone after 90 years…….poof……..gone….Bahahaha!!!!! Hope theres enough room in Obamas dingy for you when that wave comes through in 2012….

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:00 am 1:00 am

Hey Blaze, nice Poll you dug up.
I’m not a Poll Fan but I thought I’d help you make your point with another one.

Gallup Poll June 16th 2011

“Thinking about the presidential election in November 2012, are you more likely to vote for Barack Obama or the Republican Party’s candidate for president?”

Repub Candidate – 44%
Barack Obama – 39%

NY-9 Poll
Repub Turner wins Weiner’s 90 year old Demo seat.

Posted by: Noz | September 16, 2011, 9:06 am 9:06 am

Obama’s words here are consistent with what is to be expected from a narcissist. He sees the world and his circumstances through his own inflated view of his self- worth. Even if he did know better, he could never admit that re- election will be a tough battle. It wouldn’t fit into the template he has created for himself, unwarranted as it is, as the savior of the country. He truly either can’t see that he is destroying the economy of our country or he is deliberately setting out to do that and has been very successful at the task.

Posted by: lukuj | September 16, 2011, 9:06 am 9:06 am

“We remain very confident about our ability to win a contest of ideas in 2012,” Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”

Does he seriously think he could win the contest of ideas when this jobs bill was the best he could do? And as long as he can get his message out?

First, the jobs bill is a re-run of old stupid ideas that hasn’t/won’t work. Second, he has had 2 1/2 years of messaging, pivoting, focusing, and blaming….sheesh, really Dude?

Posted by: G.W. | September 16, 2011, 9:07 am 9:07 am

I will not be voting for the person who RAMMED Obamacare down the throats of the American people. The Democratic party did not even BOTHER to read the Bill. Like Nancy said, We’ll just have to pass it to see what’s in it. Are these people for real. Anyone but Obama and his sycophants at this point in time.

Posted by: Hawkeye | September 16, 2011, 9:19 am 9:19 am

If a republican were president right now, the first step in “making things right”, in the minds of democrats, would be to get the republican president out of office.
____________________________________________
This is where you’re wrong Alex. The Democrats work and compromise with Republicans to get the best things possible under the circumstances accomplished.
The Republicans election tactic is to refuse everything – even bring the country to a debt default crisis – in order to make things NOT work so Obama will be defeated. That’s been fairly obvious from the beginning.
And their tactics for decades now have been smear and fear campaigns. Not good for the country.
By Jim
During the negotiations for the health care bill, Nancy Pelosi wanted to make sure Republicans did not have a voice by saying “the election is over, you lost”. This is about as uncompromising as a party can possibly get. If you can name for me a time when the Republicans used that phrase to try to silence the Democrats, I’ll believe the Republicans are the party who will never compromise.

Posted by: ivan | September 16, 2011, 9:24 am 9:24 am

HERR1280 | September 16, 2011, 9:01 am post ———- LOL! Ron Paul IS a joke. Yes, he has a few good ideas. But he is WAY too radical and extremist to EVER be elected president. Waste your vote and write in his name at election time………

Posted by: Searambler | September 16, 2011, 9:28 am 9:28 am

HAHAHAHHAHA.

Seriously? Obama is going to get crushed in 2012 along with the Democrats in the House and Senate. Articles like this just make me laugh.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell | September 16, 2011, 9:30 am 9:30 am

This guy, Obama, is truly nuts! He’s a sick, evil man, who has hurt EVERYONE in this country. I know blacks who will not vote for him!

Posted by: bb | September 16, 2011, 9:31 am 9:31 am

This man is just eloquently stupid.

Posted by: Freedom | September 16, 2011, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Obama was a huge underdog in fall ’07, and he remains an underdog now, due to the economy, but less so. I don’t really see anything controversial about his remarks.

I agree with him that he’d win a contest of ideas if that was all there was to it. Americans like him, regardless of being pessimistic about the economy. His ideas are better received by the American public than those of both Congressional Republicans and GOP presidential candidates.

And the tea party is very unpopular. They’re just the fringe and religious right rebranded by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Considering who his opposition will be, he’s got a great chance of being re-elected. Even though the Republicans are doing their level best to keep America poor and ignorant………….

Posted by: Searambler
__________________
No President has ever been re-elected with a high unemployment rate regardless who who the opposition was. The election of Clinton proves that.

With an unemployment rate of 9.1%, gas prices near $4.00/gallon and a debt of 14 trillion, if you honestly think Obama can get re-elected, you’ve gone delusional.

Posted by: ivan | September 16, 2011, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Obama said, “as long as we can get the message out.”
.
oBama’s message is getting out… and that is the problem. More and more people are catching on to this fraud. Now the paranoid narcissist has to resort to tactics like Attack Watch to “correct” the actual message that is getting out about him….. that is so 1930′s……

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | September 16, 2011, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Talking abt polls:

Rasmussen, Sept 13:

Romney 43% Obama 40%
Generic Repub candidate 49% Obama 40%

Posted by: as is | September 16, 2011, 9:38 am 9:38 am

During the negotiations for the health care bill, Nancy Pelosi wanted to make sure Republicans did not have a voice by saying “the election is over, you lost”….If you can name for me a time when the Republicans used that phrase to try to silence the Democrats, I’ll believe the Republicans are the party who will never compromise. Posted by: ivan | September 16, 2011, 9:24 am ——– “There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year,” John McCain said in March of 2010, about his Party co-operating with the Democrats. FYI, I cannot find any quote from Pelosi like the one you claimed she made. Can you?

Posted by: Searambler | September 16, 2011, 9:54 am 9:54 am

Obama’s Presidency let’s see:
Amenesty for illegals which costs this country over $400 Billion per year
Union, Union, Unions which ruins manufacturing as factories are closing left and right
Reparations for black farmers although most of the recipients weren’t farmers
EPA and carbon credits: He is shutting down 20% of our power industry and giving our carbon credits to China, India, Malaysia, Nigeria and other polluting countries.
Sues the state of Arizon for illegal votes which is costing this country over $400 billion per year or $4 trillion in ten years.
Plays BBall and has sports players, musicians and actors in the white house about 3 days a week.
Wife goes on expensive vacations and takes all her friends and family at our expense.
Does shady deals with his green jobs buddies
Does shady deals with the Unions
Need I go on, and some of you sheeples are so blinded by him, you would re-elect this guy. You are either delusional or just dumb!

Posted by: mike | September 16, 2011, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Obama’s Presidency let’s see:
Amenesty for illegals which costs this country over $400 Billion per year
Union, Union, Unions which ruins manufacturing as factories are closing left and right
Reparations for black farmers although most of the recipients weren’t farmers
EPA and carbon credits: He is shutting down 20% of our power industry and giving our carbon credits to China, India, Malaysia, Nigeria and other polluting countries.
Sues the state of Arizon for illegal votes which is costing this country over $400 billion per year or $4 trillion in ten years.
Plays BBall and has sports players, musicians and actors in the white house about 3 days a week.
Wife goes on expensive vacations and takes all her friends and family at our expense.
Does shady deals with his green jobs buddies
Does shady deals with the Unions
Need I go on, and some of you sheeples are so blinded by him, you would re-elect this guy. You are either delusional or just dumb!

Posted by: mike | September 16, 2011, 9:58 am 9:58 am

“And I just have to remind people that, here’s one thing I know for certain: the odds of me being reelected are much higher than the odds of me being elected in the first place.”

Obama’s is right, but the headline is wrong. The odds are a lot higher, meaning there is less of a chance of reelection. Like in golf (which the President knows much about), higher doesn’t mean better.

Posted by: Teleprompter | September 16, 2011, 9:58 am 9:58 am

I’ll give 100 to 1 odds that Obama was elected in 2008. Anybody want to bet that he wasn’t?

Good grief; learn what probability is Mr. President.

Posted by: Frederick Michael | September 16, 2011, 10:00 am 10:00 am

President Obama IS the best choice for 2012. The Republicans have worked very hard at keeping our Nation in trouble just in order to win the next election. I think that strategy will backfire on them all as it SHOULD. They have put party over Country and their ONLY goal has been to oust our President while at the same time, they have done NOTHING to mend our problems and rise our Nation out of the mess that those very Republicans had such a strong hand in causing. Many average Americans are hard working people and have witnessed over the past 3 years exacly what the Republicans are trying to do. They want to take ALL the power away from the middle-class while at the same time, strengthening the wealthy and big business. I will proudly vote for President Obama because the alternative is much too bleak a picture for me to comprehend.

Posted by: demnme | September 16, 2011, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Blaze is just as deluded as Dear Leader. There is a slate of polls also out there that show Obama trailing the Republican candidates. This man has virtually ZERO chance of being re-elected. The polls aren’t event scratching the level of anger, disappointment, and detachment the American public has for this clown.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Obama has ignored the mandate provided to him to focus on his pet liberal projects. 900+ days in he only begins to talk about the economy and then delivers a bag of lies and sets up the most political game for re-election…with no care about the economy. Run against congress who oppose his “jobs bill”…..sorry Barry….we see through your lies and deception. Resign now.

Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2011, 10:05 am 10:05 am

I heard the same arguments from the Left last fall before the mid-terms.

Posted by: newcountryman | September 16, 2011, 10:08 am 10:08 am

That level of anger some of you speak of is directed at the Republicans who are too blind to see how much they have damaged their own party by the things they’ve done over the past 3 years. Look at one more poll, the one that shows Obama’s #s being down but then you look at the polls geared towards Congress and moreso at the Republicans in Congress and THOSE polls are about as low as a poll can get before people come at those slime with pitchforks let alone a refusal to vote for such a useless lot. I refuse to ever vote for a party like the Republicans who have actually worked AGAINST curing the ills of our Nation just in order to get rid of a good man, President Obama. I pray that the Republicans pay dearly for every thing they’ve neglected in the past 3 years and that they also learn to put some people with brains in the running instead of a circus full of clowns like Perry, Bachmann, Palin and all the others that speak in order to please the Tea Party.

Posted by: demnme | September 16, 2011, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Kimberly,if the Tea Party is so unpopular,why do they and Republicans keep winning elections?As for Obama in 2007,who in their right mind would advocate electing a Senator with less than 2 years experience President?He benefited from 2 unique circumstances-#1 the utter failure that was the Hillary Clinton campaign,a campaign so incompetent and overconfident that they had NO STRATEGY to contest caucus states,a campaign so inept they couldn’t capture the nomination despite outpolling Obama in total primary votes. #2 a completely biased press that took every opportunity to cast Obama in the best possible light while aggresively slamming Hillary; a press completely uninterested in the history of Barack Obama to the point that Rev. Wright didn’t even come up during the nominating process.To this day we have virtually no information about Barack Obama prior to Harvard Law School- only 2 people have come forward ( a roommate and a TA) who even remember him as an undergraduate.My great fear is that the Democrat leadership somehow gets him off of the ticket-a successful primary challenge could cost them 10-15 % of the black vote in the next election,so that route will be taken only as a last resort.But I assure you that there are dozens of Democrats in the D.C. area seething over the calamity that has become the Obama Presidency.They are getting tired of privately blaming the staff,the advisors-they know that the problem is at the top-Daley can’t cover for him the way that Rahm could.They can’t believe that he is getting rolled by Boehner in such an obvious manner- I’ve heard real anger about that.

Posted by: Nephron | September 16, 2011, 10:13 am 10:13 am

My first comment was not posted because a message came up that said I was posting too quickly and needed to slow down. What does that mean? And why is it when I hit the back button to go back to my post, it’s gone? I also tried posting on the “Notes” with that stupid Captcha code at the bottom. I entered the code six times yesterday and every time I was told I had entered the incorrect code. The letters and numbers were clear as day, so there was no confusion as to what I was attempting to enter. My comment was never posted. Is this another way of censoring certain comments? Sure seems like it.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 10:15 am 10:15 am

I never thought George Bush would be reelected but he was and that’s for two reasons: one, history has shown that when we are at war, the incumbent has a greater chance of being reelected and I believe always has; and, two, the Democratic candidate wasn’t worth voting for. If the Republicans don’t come up with a viable candidate, Obama will be reelected; and so far, I haven’t seen anyone worth voting for from that side.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Carole, if the basis for your campaign is “look how bad the other guy is” you have already lost.

Posted by: Nephron | September 16, 2011, 10:25 am 10:25 am

@Demme your arguments are without merit and you really need to get off your liberal talking points. For two years Obama had the super majority and passed everything he wanted but unfortunately they were all bad laws. So please explain how he was able to pass helathcare, financial reform, several different stimulus bills including the trillion dollar one, mortgage bailout bill, bank bailouts, GE bailout, cash for clunkers, green job bill and the list goes on with the other party not being able to stop it. The American people have given him his chance and he has failed miserably that is why he lost that majority in 2010 and will lose the rest of it in 2012.

Posted by: J. Herrera | September 16, 2011, 10:27 am 10:27 am

@Carole you wouldnt vote for the other side regardless so your comments are a joke.

Posted by: J. Herrera | September 16, 2011, 10:29 am 10:29 am

I have to laugh, no way will he even come close to re election. They were fools to vote for him in the first place. Poor guy really believes he stands a chance. Throw him a towel

Posted by: Notbuyingit | September 16, 2011, 10:32 am 10:32 am

I want the drugs he’s taking!

Posted by: Tim | September 16, 2011, 10:36 am 10:36 am

LOL, He’s been hanging around with “Angry Perm”, aka Wasserman Schultz, too long.

Posted by: 57vw | September 16, 2011, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Fiction.

Posted by: al | September 16, 2011, 10:38 am 10:38 am

I would advise the President to resurrect Solyndra to gain back the confidence among private sector. This time though, the company will be called Solyndra and O holdings corp. There you have it, ” Pass it right away” and ” Pass it now” stimulus NO-SHOVEL-READY-JOBS-PART-DEUX.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 16, 2011, 10:43 am 10:43 am

His popularity and his congress are in the toilet. Could he be any more wrong?

Posted by: Paulie | September 16, 2011, 10:52 am 10:52 am

ABC,CBS,NBC and a hand full of other liberal media are nothing more than thepresidents press secretary doing damage control for Obama.
Shame on you ABC!!!!!!!
You all need to get out of the news business.
Your propaganda for the left and it’s blatanly obvious.

Posted by: al | September 16, 2011, 10:53 am 10:53 am

searambler, liberals and democrats have almost 100% control over our educaitonal system…which is failing miserably compared to our industrialized counterparts. and recent stats show that almost half of college freshman are in need of remedial instruction. as a former high school teacher and college instructor i can safely say that you’re more likely to see bigfoot than you are to find a conservative or republican in a faculty lounge or school administration office. sorry, but the democrats own our educational system and its failures…which at this point are legion. but i’m sure in some way it’s all bush and the republicans fault, right? like how no child left behind (which was the pet project of the liberal lion of the senate ted kennedy) is, right? liberals control education…it’s failing us miserably…it’s their deal.

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me! I won’t be fooled again!!!!!!!

Posted by: Common _ Sense | September 16, 2011, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Obama please resign.

Posted by: opinionator | September 16, 2011, 10:55 am 10:55 am

carole, that happens to me all the time too. and what’s up with the links on some threads where you have to enter one of those silly security codes?

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Sounds like Obama’s been smoking something other than cigarettes — he is totally delusional.

Posted by: Iluvdausa | September 16, 2011, 11:02 am 11:02 am

I can no longer tolerate watching this pathetic man read from his teleprompter.I don’t know what makes him so annoying but it really works.

Posted by: ray | September 16, 2011, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Don’t laugh too hard. I never thought George Bush would be reelected, especially since he lied to get us into Iraq; but he was. Until it actually happens, it’s up for grabs.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Grumopolis, they set those codes so businesses can’t post or something like that. I’m not really sure what’s up with that but I have seen people posting things about saving money by going on specific sites. Are those computer generated messages; if so, then the code is designed to prevent that. I’m not against such things but I do wish it weren’t so confusing. As I said, I can clearly see what I’m supposed to be entering; it’s just that the code never seems to go through. Frustrating. So now, I don’t comment on those sites. The last thing I have time for is trying to figure out some stupid code.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:17 am 11:17 am

My mind goes back to George Bush, Term 2. I just came on here to see conservatives get really upset.

Posted by: attitude | September 16, 2011, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Somebody needs to be fired or hired as a comic.

Posted by: nonofmybiznez | September 16, 2011, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Grumopolis, I agree that our education system is a failure, unfortunately. I believe part of the problem is more money goes to the adminstrators than to those “on the front lines,” i.e., the teachers. And we have gotten away from teaching the important things. Instead, we teach self-esteem and how to work in groups, so that the students who do poorly are carried by those who are better students. I also believe doing away with discipline in the schools has been a detriment. I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years. People say the nuns were mean; they weren’t mean, they disciplined you and expected you to learn. I received a FANTASTIC education that has benefited me my entire life, beginning with my college career. I now teach college students and they are such a bunch of babies, with their parents doing everything for them. You would not believe the stories I hear from parents, telling me how intelligent and wonderful their student is. Meanwhile, they can’t even pass a simple grammar exam!

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you’re nothing but a dreamerWell can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said “Far out, – What a day, a year, a laugh it is!” You know, – Well you know you had it comin’ to you, Now there’s not a lot I can do

Posted by: Obama has no Clue | September 16, 2011, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Is he still smoking cigarettes or something else?

Posted by: Kathy M. | September 16, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Obama will soon win something, almost certainly: The consensus view of being the worst president in the last several decades at least, and a real contender for a top spot on the all-time list of worst presidents. Perhaps that will make Jimmy Carter sleep better at night. Rest well, Jimmy, rest well.

Posted by: Laura | September 16, 2011, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Does anybody out there really believe anything that this idiot says antmore.

Posted by: rebel1864 | September 16, 2011, 11:27 am 11:27 am

CAROLE – Great points. But don’t forget we spend too much on mainstreaming as well, and that got entirely unreasonable and hurts classrooms. I’d probably blame the liberals for that one and I’m a democrat. I can’t believe parents of college kids are involved. Mine is in college and beyond a report card we’re out of that whole thing.

Posted by: attitude | September 16, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am

you cant believe anything this guy says one minute he is putting down rich people for being rich and the next he is rubbing elbows with them. obama was not rich when he ran for president but he is now.did somebody force him to take all that money he now has. hate the rich give me a break just another con game being run by another politician. and for all you little people out there like me the president will not help you theres nothing in that jobs bill or on his agenda that will help you one bit.he is talking about upper class and middle class union workers so unless you are one of them forget it. i never fail to be amazed how poor people can envy this guy so much.if you were making the kind of money it would take for his policies to affect you you wouldnt be poor. most of us have never made fifty thousand dollars ayear in our lives and never will.better wake the guy you thought could walk on water turns out tu be just another politician pushing the same old tired junk just to be re-elected

Posted by: keith roland | September 16, 2011, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Of course he has a better chance of getting elected now than he did back then. He’s running against another politician. It’s like making a choice between shooting yourself in the head with a .44 magnum and a shotgun: what does it really matter in the end?

It won’t matter who the Republican party puts up. They’ll reassure us that things will be better this time around if they’re elected, just like Obama and every president before him did. But ultimately, nothing will be different because they all come from the same school of politics, and that school only has one course: Backscratching 101.

Posted by: AmericaThePitiful | September 16, 2011, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Attitude, you don’t know the half of it. I had three kids in college and the only thing I helped them with was filling out the financial aid forms for loans. We call today’s college kid parents “helicopter parents.” They decide the major and talk to as many of the student’s professors to make sure they all know how intelligent the child is. It’s pathetic, really. They refuse to allow these kids to grow up and learn lessons on their own. And the kids have this sense of entitlement, as if you owe them a good grade because their parents called and by golly, they’re all geniuses. They’re just having a “bad semester.” HA!

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:43 am 11:43 am

zerohedge.com reports: ““DOE, in consultation with independent consultants, performed a thorough investigation and analysis of our project’s financial, technical and legal strengths,” said Dr. Kelly Truman, Solyndra’s Vice President of Marketing, Sales and Business Development. “We are proud to be the first company to pass this comprehensive review, and we would like to acknowledge the exceptional efforts of the staff of the DOE Loan Guarantee Program Office.”

“Goldman, Sachs & Co. acted as exclusive financial advisor to Solyndra in connection with this loan guarantee application.”

Posted by: wheresmymoney | September 16, 2011, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Well from a mathematical perspective Mr. Obama may be correct, however from a logical perspective, a bleak outcome is almost guaranteed. But for those who voted for him the first time, it would be interesting to see just how many actually will vote for him a second time. And the outcome of that is what Mr. Obama should be basing his expectation upon. Unfortunately the only Change I have seen from this Administration is the change in our Nation’s Credit Rating, The Stock Market Collapse, Unemployment Rates skyrocketing, Foreclosures consuming our communities… But then again I guess Mr. Obama’s definition of change is what you get from your dollar. It is really clear that Mathematics was not his strongest subjects and to think he is in charge of our how our finances are distributed. How is that for Change?

Posted by: cmccraryny | September 16, 2011, 11:44 am 11:44 am

“President Obama said he believes his chances of being reelected in 2012 are “much higher” than they were in 2008.”

The man is starting to sound like Baghbad Bob!

Posted by: J.R. | September 16, 2011, 11:45 am 11:45 am

President Obama Will Win In 2012; Because My Family, and My Friends, and The Millions Of True Grit Americans Out there Will Be Voting For Him and Vice President Biden in November 2012!!!

Posted by: charity0316 | September 16, 2011, 11:47 am 11:47 am

carole, i’m on the same page. i went to catholic school k-12…had nuns in grade school and they were great teachers…hard as heck…but great teachers. cut off the erasers on pencils to see our mistakes, whacked us with rulers and yardsticks, but taught us very well. our educatonal system has totally whimped out to political correctness. when i taught high school social studies, our texts had more information on geronimo than thomas jefferson. don’t get me wrong, geronimo is worth studying, but more important than jefferson? the teachers’ union is a 100% money laundering operation for democrats and the members are definitely more concerned with pay and benefits than the are with educating kids. and yes, the administrators are overpaid. one of our local VA districts pays their superintendent $280,000 a year + benefits…it’s obscene. we did a better job educating kids 50 years ago than we do today. and the ONLY answer that’s ever given to fix the problems is more money, more money, more money. but the fact remains…liberals own the education system almost exclusively and it’s a failure of epic proportions…and it’s on them.

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 11:48 am 11:48 am

charity, that sounds like a tyler perry movie title.

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Obama putting more people out of work. CBS reports:
“Former Marine Sgt. Dakota Meyer, who was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Thursday, had a simple but unusual request when White House staffers talked to him a few days ago, reports CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante.
Meyer said he would like to have a beer with the president.
Great idea- right? And how could the president refuse?
So it happened. Mr. Obama and the war hero hung out together on the patio outside the Oval Office.
Wondering what brand they were drinking? Are you ready?
It was — the White House’s own brew, made with equipment the Obamas bought with their own money — the first beer ever made at the White House, according to historians.
It is White House Honey Ale.
It was the first beer served at the Super Bowl party. A very small batch — 90-100 bottles — all consumed that day.
The White House chefs have been brewing since, a little at a time. There was some for St. Patrick’s Day, another batch in June, and the beer served to Sgt. Meyer.
And just for the record: Home-brewing is legal in Washington, D.C”

Good grief. When will we get a WORKING President?

Posted by: wheresmymoney | September 16, 2011, 11:51 am 11:51 am

A good president is definitely a thing of the past. All we have now are people with their own agendas. We end up getting caught in the middle and ultimately paying a heavy price for it. This is the time we really need to start thinking about moving away from the two-party system. The choices stink!

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:52 am 11:52 am

I guess even Presidents get to have fantasies

Posted by: Edd | September 16, 2011, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Throwing money at something that doesn’t work isn’t going to make it work any better. It’s like putting a bandaid on a bleeding artery — pointless. I am a Democrat and I have to agree that the dems must take responsibility for a failed education system. We have lost sight of what’s right, anymore. I’m not sure how to fix the system … maybe going back to the “old way” of doing things. Seemed to work in the past — we were much more competitive. It’s even more important to go back to the basics in this globally competitive society. We are cheating our young people by coddling them way too much. Discipline is a thing of the past. The students control the classrooms and the teachers stand by helpless. It only takes one student to take attention away from an entire class; I would never teach below the college level. I don’t want to be a baby sitter.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 11:57 am 11:57 am

God God man!!! Has Obama gone Mad. I can no longer support this man. He is either crazy or knows something that we dont know.

Posted by: jon marxist | September 16, 2011, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

For those of you who complain EVERY day about the media and how UNFAIR they are to the right, I’d just like to mention that the media is the EXACT same as it was during the gw bush years and what was your problem then? Yup, you all had FOX News and still do exept that they often went WAY too far in their lies and were discredited as well they should have been. Otherwise, we still have the same news agencies. The truth is that Republicans REFUSE to own up to the fact that they have put forth the most idiotic, moronic, and dumb people on the planet to run for the highest office in the land and all the while they think that voters with ANY sense of how important this election is will choose them. I believe Americans are much brighter than that.

Posted by: demnme | September 16, 2011, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I elect Obama again if he can explain SolarGate, Fast and Furious, giving illegals work permits.

If Obama was in Europe, yes, he just might win. But this is the United States and a Giant has finally woken. Its time to never let Liberals take full control ever again.

Posted by: Leslie Laufrenier | September 16, 2011, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Can you imagine the leadership skills of a JFK, the personal convictions of a Teddy Roosevelt, the willingness to take personal responsibility like a Harry Truman, and the compassion and wisdom of an Abraham Lincoln? Oh well, I can dream can’t I?

Posted by: newcountryman | September 16, 2011, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Actually, his comment doesn’t surprise me at all.

Posted by: newcountryman | September 16, 2011, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

His chances keep getting dimmer. Michael Angley reports:
“Last week, Air Force General William Shelton, Commander of Air Force Space Command, told Congressional leaders in a closed-door session that the White House tried to pressure him to change his testimony to favor a company that turns out to be a major donor to the Democratic Party.

LightSquared, a Virginia-based broadband satellite company, has been vying for permission to operate in a frequency band in the vicinity of our nation’s GPS system. In Gen Shelton’s presentation to Congress, he went prepared to warn of the dangers the LightSqaured project would pose to our GPS integrity. He said the White House attempted to pressure him into altering the substance of his testimony to indicate:

That the military would continue to test the proposed bandwidth for ways LightSquared could still use the spectrum space without interfering with GPS.
That he hoped the necessary testing for LightSquared would be completed within 90 days.
The general refused to make these changes.”

Posted by: wheresmymoney | September 16, 2011, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

I voted for Obama, as I believed he has the people’s best interest at heart. I still believe that. I do not agree with everything he has said and/or done. I don’t think anyone can agree with everything the candidate of their choice says or does. It’s about looking into his heart, if that’s possible. It’s give and take in Washington, so you can’t have everhthing. However, the one thing I do not like about Obama is that he never shuts up. Every time I turn on the TV, he’s talking to a group of people, or the nation, about something. Talk is cheap. Telling me you care about what’s best for me is nice but I need to see some action. Words don’t pay the bills and promises don’t put food on the table. If someone would just stop talking and start acting, I’d be much happier.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Newcountryman, yes, you can dream. Unfortunately, the only being who might possess all those qualities will have to be an alien from outer space!

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

There is a slate of polls also out there that show Obama LEADING ALL the Republican candidates. This man has virtually ONE HUNDRED PERCENT chance of being re-elected. The polls aren’t event scratching the level of SUPPORT the American public has for President Obama — OBAMA 2012!!!!

Posted by: MsT-mac | September 16, 2011, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Dear Sirs, I grew up in the age when there were only 3 networks. I admired you and respected what you said, but now as I hear the way you have stopped reporting and are practicing Yellow Journalism, I am disappointed and appalled. Please consider just reporting the news again. You are not in the business of advertising for Obama or those who share your political bent. I don’t care if you love or hate them – just tell the truth without any slant. Let the US decide whether we like them or not. You are not helping this republic. It is time for you to do your job and report – not spin. As a simple American citizen, representative of millions who are so tired of you trying to tell me how to think, I am requesting that you begin to self monitor. If you start reporting the news again, I may start watching again. I just want to hear the truth – not your truth or their truth. Save opinions for the opinion shows and REPORT the news (all of it). Thank you, Sincerely Sally Kirkpatrick

Posted by: Sally Kirkpatrick | September 16, 2011, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

ms t-mac, if obama is re-elected it will be by default…because the republicans put up a candidate that virtually no one can support. if he faced anything approaching a real candidate, he’d get buried in a landslide. as it is, he’ll likely get re-elected because he’ll be running against some gruesome right-wing zombie. even main-stream democrats are wishing they could pick hillary clinton all over again. obama’s approval is cratering.

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

He thinks if he sells the perception things are good things will be good. Reality however keeps getting in the way.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | September 16, 2011, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Friday, September 16
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 46, Perry 39 Obama +7
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 46, Bachmann 3 Obama +13

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Yeah, the Republicans really have it all sewed up, now all they need is a candidate with a BRAIN that can say things that piss off the Tea Party – THEN I’d know they really could have a chance in 2012. But, they won’t do that because they LIKE impressing their LOWEST base – the same people that applaud multiple executions and people dying because they have NO heath care insurance. Yup, those are the kind of Americans this nation needs – – – NOT!!!!!

Posted by: demnme | September 16, 2011, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Kimberly,if the Tea Party is so unpopular,why do they and Republicans keep winning elections?– Nephron

Good question. They were more popular in Fall ’10, but even then a lot of people stayed home and didn’t engage with or support the tea party. Others thought they’d send a message to Obama, but didn’t really like the tea party in the first place; they just wanted balance in the leadership to force bipartisanship. Others have seen that the talk of jobs was all fake– the GOP has no plan. Others have been upset and remorseful about the union busting in places like Wisconsin and Ohio— and the new guv in Florida is very unpopular as well. People were obviously not thinking clearly regarding him. He’s corrupt! And then, Nephron, there’s the debt ceiling talks. That really took the lid off, so to speak.

The debt ceiling talks. Americans blame the Republicans for the downgrade. And both Congressional Republicans and the tea party have taken a hit. The president, too, but less so. Poll after poll shows that. Turner was aided by an endorsement from Ed Koch, a democrat, who wanted to send a message to Obama about his stance on Israel. Koch called the constitutents in NY-9 to assure them Turner was for Medicare and Social Security and would aid in dismantling neither. On top of that, in both NY special elections this year, New Yorkers went for the candidate from the opposite party of the married snake that retired after a scandal. One dem won in a Republican district; one Republican won in a dem district. That’s called a wash.

Even Rasmussen has pointed out what a negative label the tea party is nowadays. Hanging on to their glory days is so 2010. The next big election isn’t in ’10. It’s in ’12.

Just as a reminder to what the tea party stands for, this is everything they wish to get rid of:
Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and other health care programs including the consumer protections in the Affordable Care Act, all federal education programs, federal antipoverty programs, federal disaster relief, federal food safety inspections and programs, labor and worker’s rights laws which includes the minimum wage, federal civil rights laws….

They wish to undo the 20th and 21st centuries. Most Americans do not.

Obama is an underdog, but less so than he was in ’07. It may be hard to believe that Obama polls better than Congressional Republicans, the tea party and the GOP presidential candidates… but then you look at them and you get it if you’re clear-eyed.

The only Republican that makes any sense at all as the GOP nominee for president is Romney, but I think he’s likely too sensible a choice for the GOP nowadays. And he’s definitely a wishy-washy politician type. He’d do much less harm than the rest and he probably has some genuinely good ideas that he can’t actually say because he’s pandering to the clueless.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

I never thought George Bush would be reelected but he was and that’s for two reasons: one, history has shown that when we are at war, the incumbent has a greater chance of being reelected and I believe always has; and, two, the Democratic candidate wasn’t worth voting for. If the Republicans don’t come up with a viable candidate, Obama will be reelected; and so far, I haven’t seen anyone worth voting for from that side.

Posted by: carole | September 16, 2011, 10:17 am 10:17 am

You make a good point here, Carole. In times of duress, people tend to stick with the devil they know… not that Obama’s a devil; I actually have met him, eight to ten years ago and he’s really a sweetheart, truth be told, but they’re all politicians… so, anyhow… he represents the potential for more certainty following the election. Nobody knows what the Republicans will do. Perry and Romney say one thing but their records don’t back that up, and the other front runners, Bachmann and Paul are very radical. they will create tons of uncertainty and chaos if they’re elected and do the things they claim they will do.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

There is a slate of polls also out there that show Obama LEADING ALL the Republican candidates.
Posted by: MsT-mac | September 16, 2011, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Absolutely. The GOP and its tea party are very unpopular. But, and this is important, everyone MUST vote.

Vote!

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Friday, September 16
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 46, Perry 39 Obama +7
General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 46, Bachmann 3 Obama +13

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 1:51 pm++++Does Polly want a cracker?

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Forty-six percent of registered voters support Mr. Obama compared with 48 percent for the GOP front-runner, while the president would be in a dead heat against longtime Texas Gov. Rick Perry, tying the recent entrant with 47 percent, Gallup found.

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Thursday, September 15
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Bloomberg Obama 49, Perry 40 Obama +9
General Election: Romney vs. Obama Bloomberg Obama 48, Romney 43 Obama +5

Posted by: Blaze | September 16, 2011, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Forty-six percent of registered voters support Mr. Obama compared with 48 percent for the GOP front-runner, while the president would be in a dead heat against longtime Texas Gov. Rick Perry, tying the recent entrant with 47 percent, Gallup found.

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Posted by: ALLEN | September 16, 2011, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

I’m both glad and sad to know that Obama is this drippy dipstick delusional, or this dreary-drone dishonest — take your pick, or some combination thereof. And he plops some moldy cartoon icing on his roach-infested cake with his blather about winning “a contest of ideas” next year. What?! He has nearly no new workable “ideas” at this point, but rather, laughably and quite pathetically, he merely has his childishly stubborn and impotent ideology, along with his absurdly misguided notions and whims that spending more and more and more will eventually produce a brave new world of happy social justice (as in — true and lasting economic ruin and thorough discontent and misery for nearly all). I guess it might be perversely entertaining (or probably just super-duper-boring) to see him so desperately blow meaningless hot air and hypocritically pontificate throughout this next year. He’ll lose, either way. Thankfully.

Posted by: Mike Frank | September 16, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Allen, If you look at RCP’s (real clear politics) averages of the polls:

Obama +5.3 against Perry
Obama + 0.9 against Romney
Obama +3.3 against Paul
Obama +10.6 against Bachmann
Obama +14.6 against Gingrich
Obama +10 against Cain
Obama +11 against Huntsman

Headline today: Obama regains lead over Perry in poll

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

I pray to Obama that he is NOT reelected!!!!

Posted by: gravy | September 16, 2011, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

Sure hope those polls help you get through the coming days and nights, chatterbox Kimberly, but those polls are quite misleading for a whole variety of reasons. One very simple and very large reason is that the polls ask, obviously, “Who would you vote for, between Obama and X?” But that assumes that the respondent would, or will, actually show up to vote, and there’s the rub for thoroughly inept Obama. Most of the voters who see him for the total phony that he is, and are extremely fed up with our drastic decline under his lame leadership will, in fact, show up to vote against him in this next presidential election, whereas many Democrats, and even far more Independents (who may have voted for Obama before, and are not especially keen on the Republican candidate) will actually sit out the election. In other words, they may not vote for the Republican, but they can not muster the enthusiasm to vote again for Obama either, so home they’ll stay. Therein lies one of the big differences between these current polls and a real election if it were held today.

Additionally, if you look (as you so conveniently did not) at the generic Republican Versus Obama polls shown on RCP’s (Real Clear Politics) — yes, the very same website you cite repeatedly, you see that the generic Republican beats Obama in 2 out of the 4 polls cited, and that the average of those polls is a Republican win. (And even these polls also share that same problem of folks saying who they would vote for, but without taking into account Obama’s very likely millions of no-shows on election day.) So, have fun pretending, and trying to pump up the failing, flailing Libs, but Obama will still lose next year. Almost certain.

Posted by: Laura | September 16, 2011, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Posted by: grumpopolis | September 16, 2011, 10:53 am 10:53 am

grumpopolis, you win the coveted Post-o-da-Day Award™ for 09-16-2011.
Your comment
“as a former high school teacher and college instructor i can safely say that you’re more likely to see bigfoot than you are to find a conservative or republican in a faculty lounge or school administration office.”
is very funny (I laughed out loud) and so full of truth.

Posted by: Noz | September 16, 2011, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Kim.
U N B E L I E V A B L E !
Really I mean it in every conceivable way.
You need to be more careful or your Cred level will fall below -3.41.
Besides you forgot one of the Poll results.
Obama -15 against Crusty the Clown

Posted by: Noz | September 16, 2011, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Laura, it won’t be a generic Republican running against Obama, and therein lies the problem for the the GOP. I’ve said many times that Obama is an underdog. It’s amazing he beats all of the Republican candidates, until you actually look out who they are and find out more about them. Then it makes perfect sense. It’s a lame field of candidates, and their ideas poll as badly as the tea party and their ideas.

I didn’t make up the RCP numbers. They are what they are… and apparently they ruffle your feathers:

Obama +5.3 against Perry
Obama + 0.9 against Romney
Obama +3.3 against Paul
Obama +10.6 against Bachmann
Obama +14.6 against Gingrich
Obama +10 against Cain
Obama +11 against Huntsman

Headline today: Obama regains lead over Perry in poll

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Please, all joking aside please give Obama a break since according to some close sources, he is in deep depression. Depression can manifest strange behaviors such as agitation, compulsive obsession disorder, and hypercondriac .

” IF YOU LOVE ME, PASS THIS BILL”. ” PASS IT RIGHT AWAY” ” PASS IT NOW” .

The symptom is obviously need to be addressed.

Posted by: ACDC2012 | September 16, 2011, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Kimberly the lib spamster, you do crack me up. I see you totally evade the issue of the differences between your repeatedly cited polls and if a real election were held today — namely, the millions (many millions most believe, even many honest and very worried Dems) of folks who in a poll may say that they favor Obama, but will end up being no-shows (at best) on election day, because of Obama’s severely horrible performance as community organizer of the USA. And then you quickly skate over the polls that “ruffle your feathers” — namely the ones that show the generic Republican beating Obama…
Rasmussen: 47% to 42%, the Republican wins over Obama
NBC News / Wall St. Journal : 44% to 40%, the Republican over Obama
And, again, the average for all four polls shows a Republican win.

As for your vague and vapid potshots at the field of Republican candidates, unlike them, we surely do know Obama now, we know him quite well, and just how lame he has been, and how he will continue to mis-govern the country (right on down the proverbial drain). That is his very huge problem, the very problem that will keep many millions of Independents and Democrats at home on election day — or, by next year, voting Republican. Reality. Embrace it.

Posted by: Laura | September 16, 2011, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Laura, I will report you for correcting Kimberly’s propaganda. I will also report Hillary Clinton implied that Obama was a Muslim. I also will reported Rush limbaugh called Obama a Chicago thug. Bill Clinton accused Obama of playing race card against him and his wife, Hillary.

Attackwatchdogs, here I go.

Iwill also report Solyndra for screwing Obama out of 500 million dollars so now Obama stimulus plan part one is a laughing stock to the nation.

Posted by: ACDC2012 | September 16, 2011, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Laura, which Republican?

I cite the averages while you cherry pick. At RCP, which averages the polls, Obama vs. Republican: Republican +0.5%. As I’ve said, Obama is the underdog. However, when you look at the actual GOP candidates, Obama comes out ahead.

See the numbers posted 6:28 pm or go directly to Real Clear Politics and check it out yourself.

If you look solely at Rasmussen, Perry is the frontrunner in the GOP primary, and against the frontrunner, Perry, Obama is +7. Against Bachmann, he’s +33.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

I’d add that independents are very queasy about the GOP field, and the tea party and Congressional Republicans are extremely unpopular.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Well, well, as I said the Solyndra scandal is only a tip of an iceberg for the Obama administration. Read my lips, this is another one that ABC did not want to cover:

General William Shelton and PhilipFacon corp ( a major political campaign donor for Obama) soon-to-be another scandal .

I do not have time for all the details, if you are interested please Google yourself. A trail of bad politic is starting unfold and the Solyndra is not the end but just a beginning.

Posted by: ACDC2012 | September 16, 2011, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

ACDC, when I look up General Wm Shelton I get this:

Fox Tries To Drum Up Scandal Over Routine Admin. Review Of General’s Testimony
September 16, 2011 1:23 pm ET

Fox & Friends is promoting accusations that the White House “pressured” Air Force Gen. William Shelton “to change his testimony” over a plan allegedly favored by the White House. But congressional testimony is routinely reviewed by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) “to ensure that the [Department of Defense], and ultimately the entire Administration, speak with one voice,” and Shelton’s spokesperson has “denied there was any improper influence.”

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

On Solyndra, I get:

Bush admin pushed Solyndra loan guarantee for two years
Michele Bachmann links Rick Perry on HPV vaccine to Solyndra
Infographic, Solyndra ‘scandal’ vs. the Defense Department’s biggest boondoggles
Pennies to Clean Energy, Billions to Big Oil — Mainstream Media Missing the Real Story on Solyndra

My understanding is that all the facts aren’t in yet and no conclusions have been drawn as to whether any real “scandal” exists. I think the hard right is just dancing on the grave of a business in an industry they fear because… well, they’re crazy.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 16, 2011, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

ROTFLMAO, Fox news! How’s about The Telegraph for the real news. This is serious since it’s involved an Airforce General and Philip Falcon, a major campaign contributor to Obama . Falcon owns LightSqured, a broadband company.

Do not worry, there is nothing under the sun, Have a nice week-end, folks.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 16, 2011, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Ah Kimberly, still chattering away and merely repeating your misleading talking points to no avail, except to drive home the point that you are a very silly lib drone? Why yes, you obviously are. Thanks for the laughs. I see you still — yes still — wish to absolutely evade and ignore the many millions of folks who in a poll may say that they favor Obama, but will end up being no-shows (at best, for Dems) on election day, because of Obama’s severely horrible performance and clunky corruption as community organizer of the USA — which, of course, is one of the main differences between these polls and the real outcome of a real election involving the inept and corrupt blowhard, Obama. You seem to be nearly as stubbornly delusional and/or dishonest as Obama himself. I know I should not be surprised, and yet I am — but only slightly. Goodbye Obama.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 9:06 am 9:06 am

Laura, if by “very silly lib drone” you mean someone who looks at the facts and sees that at RCP, Obama is leading all of the actual GOP candidates, including the frontrunner, and that is also the case in most polls as several commenters have demonstrated , then your bias is clear, and the ad hominen attacks serve solely to lessen your credibility, and highlight your weak hand in this discussion.

As I acknowledged in a post yesterday: “Obama was a huge underdog in fall ’07, and he remains an underdog now, due to the economy, but less so. I don’t really see anything controversial about his remarks.

I agree with him that he’d win a contest of ideas if that was all there was to it. Americans like him, regardless of being pessimistic about the economy. His ideas are better received by the American public than those of both Congressional Republicans and GOP presidential candidates.

And the tea party is very unpopular. They’re just the fringe and religious right rebranded by Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers.” I added several hours later, in agreement to the stated fact that there is a slate of polls also out there that show Obama LEADING ALL the Republican candidates: Absolutely. The GOP and its tea party are very unpopular. But, and this is important, everyone MUST vote.

Vote!”

So, Laura, clearly I understand the importance of getting the vote out, regardless of your attempts to scapegoat and deride my comments.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Proof positive this man has no clue. We have dumb and dumber running our country.

Posted by: Freedom | September 17, 2011, 9:48 am 9:48 am

ACDC, on Lightsquared I get, ” Exclusive: LightSquared execs fire back at critics” and LightSquared CEO: Stop Using Us As a PinataLightSquared CEO: Stop Using Us As a Pinata. In the latter, we find out that while the founder of Lightsquared has donated to both parties, 2/3 of his donations have gone to Republicans in the past. LightSquared has spent eight years working through the regulatory process, receiving support from both Bush- and Obama-appointed officials.

Just an FYI, the Telegraph is known as the Torygraph. It’s conservative, not unbiased and nonpartisan.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 9:52 am 9:52 am

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove

Posted by: deanbob | September 17, 2011, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Dean bob, it really is amazing that despite rebranding the GOP has become so unpopular that their Congressional members are even worse off than Obama and dems, AND Obama is ahead of their frontrunners in most polls and averages of polls.

I think it’s because they have no real solutions.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

When are both parties going to do what they’ve both said they were going to: go through the budget, line by line, and eliminate the waste? I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s 20% waste, fraud, abuse and overlap. So 10-15% should be a realistic goal.

Posted by: deanbob | September 17, 2011, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

I’m ironically happy for Kimberly that she has found a highly disingneuous, and hilariously stubborn, way to pretend to be “happy” and to desperately try to rally the seriously angst-ridden libster troops with these polls (more than a year away from the election) that she cites over and over again as some sort of biblical prophecy of the real election results, even though Laura has correctly pointed out the huge weakness and discrepancy in them — namely, Obama’s former and lukewarm supporters, many millions of whom will surely be absent on election day. But what matters is, of course, what will happen, not what may happen, although both are fun to discuss. Obama is both incredibly ineffective on all the usual fronts — and profoundly corrupt — which is a very debilitating combination for re-election. My prediction is just that, just a prediction, but I believe it is quite likely that Obama will not only lose, but lose quite badly, quite decisively. The popular vote is one thing, but the electoral vote is another, and determinative for the election. Obama’s situation in all of the key swing states, and even in formerly “safe” states for him, is dismal to dubious and dicey at best, and it is not improving but getting worse for him. It will be good to get rid of this cancer named Obama.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 17, 2011, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Bluedog, I do think Obama is an underdog, just as he was in 2007, but given there’s no candidate as good as Hillary Clinton in the GOP field, I think he’s less of an underdog than he was then. the truth is the GOP and its tea party are very unpopular.

As to why they’re so unpopular and what they actually seem to stand for, rhetoric aside, see Crashing the Tea Party by David Campbell and Robert Putnam, “Cultures of the Tea Party — a study which reveals American voters sympathetic to the Tea Party movement reflect four primary cultural and political beliefs more than other voters do: authoritarianism, libertarianism, fear of change, and negative attitudes toward immigrants and immigration. They’re also into God in gov’t; The truth about the tea party by Matt Taibbi, It’s Morning In Griftopia: A Q+A With Author Matt Taibbi, Michelle Bachmann’s Holy War,again by Matt Taibbi (but I’m moving on!), Tea Party: Old Whine in New Bottles, the 2011 Wisconsin protests, Disapproval Rate for Congress at Record 82% After Debt Talks (and note this part: “Republicans in Congress shoulder more of the blame for the difficulties in reaching a debt-ceiling agreement than President Obama and the Democrats, the poll found.The Republicans compromised too little, a majority of those polled said. All told, 72 percent disapproved of the way Republicans in Congress handled the negotiations…The public’s opinion of the Tea Party movement has soured in the wake of the debt-ceiling debate.”), Jane Mayer’s article in the NY brothers called Covert Operations about the billionaire brothers against Obama.

Finally, see CNN/Tea Party Debate Audience Cheers Letting Uninsured Comatose Man Die

That doesn’t mean it isn’t very important to vote. It is!

I’d love for there to be some amazing independent candidate that will move our country forward, but so far there isn’t. And the GOP frontrunners aren’t all that. Out of all of them, Huntsman is best on paper but kinda annoying in person (I heard one commentator say he’s like that teacher whose class you want to skip because its so darned boring, and I agree) and Romney would do the least damage and I do kinda like him… but will the GOP elect him as their candidate??? How is he sigificantly different than Obama really, aside from rhetoric and except for not having a strong record on counterterrorism and foreign policy? Romney is weak in the foreign relations area.

Have you read Mike Lofgren’s piece called “Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult.” It’s interesting… you may be upset with Dems and Obama but as Lofgren puts it, “To those millions of Americans who have finally begun paying attention to politics and watched with exasperation the tragicomedy of the debt ceiling extension, it may have come as a shock that the Republican Party is so full of lunatics…. The Congressional directory now reads like a casebook of lunacy.”

that Congressional directly includes Bachmann and Paul, btw.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

Kimber, regarding your silly and nearly surreal contention that Obama would win a “contest of ideas”, well, one has to have at least plausibly workable ideas in order to win such a contest. Obama has proven he doesn’t even remotely have workable ideas… just the perverse determination to spend and spend and spend, even crookedly and corruptly it now strongly seems, and certainly on into real and lasting bankruptcy and ungodly high unemployment. And then your oft-repeated general claim that “the tea party is very unpopular” — yes, just more inflated hot air. Sure, they are quite unpopular with those on the left and much, or even most, of the mainstream media, but their “unpopularity” is vastly and conveniently exaggerated in the lame attempt to persuade others to also merely dismiss them. It sure didn’t work during those mid-term elections, did it? Lol, indeed.
But yes, we should vote, and we will vote. We will vote to get rid of Obama, and millions of those who voted for him before will either stay home, or maybe even vote for his opponent. Again – Reality. Try hard to embrace it, painful as that may be.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Kimberly, regarding your silly and nearly surreal contention that Obama would win a “contest of ideas”, well, one has to have at least plausibly workable ideas in order to win such a contest. Obama has proven he doesn’t even remotely have workable ideas… just the perverse determination to spend and spend and spend, even crookedly and corruptly it now strongly seems, and certainly on into real and lasting bankruptcy and ungodly high unemployment. And then your oft-repeated general claim that “the tea party is very unpopular” — yes, just more inflated hot air. Sure, they are quite unpopular with those on the left and much, or even
most, of the mainstream media, but their “unpopularity” is vastly and conveniently exaggerated in the lame attempt to persuade others to also merely dismiss them. It sure didn’t work during those mid-term elections, did it? Lol, indeed.
But yes, we should vote, and we will vote. We will vote to get rid of Obama, and millions of those who voted for him before will either stay home, or maybe even vote for his opponent. Again – Reality. Try hard to embrace it, painful as that may be.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Regarding your silly and nearly surreal contention that Obama would win a “contest of ideas”, (our old chatterbox friend, Kimberly) well, one has to have at least plausibly workable ideas in order to win such a contest. Obama has proven he doesn’t even remotely have workable ideas… just the perverse determination to spend and spend and spend, even crookedly and corruptly it now strongly seems, and certainly on into real and lasting bankruptcy and ungodly high unemployment. And then your oft-repeated general claim that “the tea party is very unpopular” — yes, just more inflated hot air. Sure, they are quite unpopular with those on the left and much, or even most, of the mainstream media, but ther “unpopularity” is vastly and conveniently exaggerated in the lame attempt to persuade others to also merely dismiss them. It sure didn’t work during those mid-term elections, did it? Lol, indeed.
But yes, we should vote, and we will vote. We will vote to get rid of Obama, and millions of those who voted for him before will either stay home, or maybe even vote for his opponent. Again – Reality. Try hard to embrace it, painful as that may be.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Um…Kimberly. I actually read your very lengthy post twice, carefully. And then I went back and re-read your earlier posts. I know you won’t believe me, but you really are just a liberal chatterbox, as someone wrote before. You merely quote from articles and sources that support your brittle views, and you merely repeat the usual cliched liberal assumptions about voters and the candidates over and over again. In short, it doesn’t amount to much at all, except, for you, the intense pleasure of feeling like you’re really saying something important and having some impact. Best of luck being happy with your current schtick.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 17, 2011, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Bluedog, your criticism of me and my posts doesn’t undermine or refute any of the arguments I make. If you want to prove your point that my comments don’t mean much, you have to do more than claim to have read them carefully… you have to take on the points made. For example, you could read one of the articles I mentioned and refute it’s bottom line. Or recommend another reading list. Calling me names doesn’t lend you credibility and your mischaracterization of my comments and me is irrelevant to me. I don’t care what you think just as you don’t care what I think!

I have to laugh about this:”In short, it doesn’t amount to much at all, except, for you, the intense pleasure of feeling like you’re really saying something important and having some impact. Best of luck being happy with your current schtick.”

Thank you for your best of luck and I am very happy, but I can’t imagine that posting here would give anyone intense pleasure. LOL!!! That really cracked me up. I’m in the final few weeks (finally!!!) of a high risk pregnancy that has required me to be off my feet and I’m bored, bored, bored… I’ve read, watched movies and tv, learned how to knit, and I started posting on blogs on a wide range of topics. I’ve heard about internet blogs and the crazy comment sections, and it’s an interesting diversion to participate in it all on politics and pop culture sites, but I wouldn’t get too, too caught up in it for a long period of time if I were you or take it as seriously as you seem to. All that personalization of it will start to make you a smaller person. Regardless of whether we agree on politics, I still care about the hearts and souls and overall well being of my fellow Americans and human beings.

A quick correction to my last post: I meant to write that the congressional directory (not directly) includes Bachmann and Paul.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Sorry, Kimberly, but I’m not obligated to refute or address your many various stale “points” or views or partisan quotes from others just because you toss them out there in true chatterbox fashion, and it definitely cracks me up when minor hacks try to use that lame tactic in posting or debate — in short, “I’ll toss out a whole boatload of various stuff, and if you don’t take the time address it all, then I win.” Real amateur-hour style stuff. My summary of your posts, and you — as you are posting here at least — is entirely accurate, and you prove it more and more with every lengthy, painfully boring post.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 17, 2011, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Yes, again Kimberly: Regarding your silly and nearly surreal contention that Obama would win a “contest of ideas”, well, one has to have at least plausibly workable ideas in order to win such a contest. Obama has proven he doesn’t even remotely have workable ideas… just the perverse determination to spend and spend and spend, even crookedly and corruptly it now strongly seems, and certainly on into real and lasting bankruptcy and ungodly high unemployment. And then your oft-repeated general claim that “the tea party is very unpopular” — yes, just more inflated hot air. Sure, they are quite unpopular with those on the left and much, or even most, of the mainstream media, but their “unpopularity” is vastly and conveniently exaggerated, in the lame attempt to persuade others to also merely dismiss them. It sure didn’t work during those mid-term elections, did it? Lol, indeed.

But yes, we should vote, and we will vote. We will vote to get rid of Obama, and millions of those who voted for him before will either stay home, or maybe even vote for his opponent. Again – Reality. Try hard to embrace it, painful as that may be.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Again, Kimberly: Laughs aplenty in your silly and nearly surreal contention that Obama would win a “contest of ideas”, well, one has to have at least plausibly workable ideas in order to win such a contest. Obama has proven he doesn’t even remotely have workable ideas… just the perverse determination to spend and spend and spend, even crookedly and corruptly it now strongly seems, and certainly on into real and lasting bankruptcy and ungodly high unemployment. And then your oft-repeated general claim that “the tea party is very unpopular” — yes, just more inflated hot air. Sure, they are quite unpopular with those on the left and much, or even most, of the mainstream media, but their “unpopularity” is vastly and conveniently exaggerated in the lame attempt to persuade others to also merely dismiss them. It sure didn’t work during those mid-term elections, did it? Lol, indeed.

But yes, we should vote, and we will vote. We will vote to get rid of Obama, and millions of those who voted for him before will either stay home, or maybe even vote for his opponent. Again – Reality. Try hard to embrace it, painful as that may be.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

The republican plan opposing anything that will create jobs is a result of their determination to defeat president Obama. Americans see this, their plan will backfire come Nov 2012 as it did regarding president Truman. We need to face the facts, this government doesn’t work because republicans don’t want it to work. As long as they can separate the American people from their elected government the sooner they can have the conglomerates and business interests run this country. Notice they never mention out-sourcing.

Posted by: tferretti | September 17, 2011, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

I must admit that this is oddly entertaining, even if pathologically so. Kimberly has her sacred polls mostly shredded by Laura, and then she goes on to absurdly claim that Obama would “win a contest of ideas”, even though Obama has no effective ideas at all, and is only trying to jam through his same old moldy and disastrous “ideas”, all of which translate into more and more spending for no substantial positive result, but just more and more debt absolutely. And then, quite weirdly, she laments the “personalization” of the posts, claiming it will make “you a smaller person,” all the while telling us all about herself, as if anyone gives a flying fruitcake whatsoever. Funny stuff.
But Obama will still lose next year, and we can all rejoice in that. Or at least those of us with some common sense and honesty.

Posted by: Mike Frank | September 17, 2011, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

I also think that Obama’s comments are sadly arrogant and very far detached from reality. However, if he is re-elected by some odd negative miracle, then I must say that enough of my fellow citizens are dull and dumb enough to deserve this country’s ensuing decline from a great and prosperous power to nothing more than a very large third-world country.

Posted by: Bridget | September 17, 2011, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

I wonder if Laura, Mike, Blue dog et al. have ever heard of a writer’s thing called “voice.” har de har.

Of course, you’re not obligated to refute points or make sense or write a comment that is worthwhile. In lively cocktail party conversation in real life, you may want to be able to do that, or if you intend to campaign for a particular candidate, but if that’s not your scene or you’re still in high school, then by all means, carry on as you are.

The facts remain that Real Clear Politics shows Obama ahead of every real candidate, including the frontrunner, Perry. The headline at Real Clear politics regarding polling this week: President Obama Regains Lead Over Perry in Poll. Given that, the president’s remarks make total sense although obviously Republicans benefit from blocking policies Americans support. As long as the economy remains in bad shape, Obama’s approval ratings will be rocky, even if Republicans are viewed more negatively and they’re the ones blocking job-creation ideas the public likes.

For example, the NYT poll today shows that the majority of Americans, favors cutting payroll taxes for working Americans, 56-30; the majority favors Federal aid to state governments to avert public employee layoffs, 52-40; an even BIGGER majority favors spending money on the nation’s infrastructure in order to try to create jobs, 80-16; the majority, thinks creating jobs should be a higher priority than cutting spending, 56-29… and other polls have resulted in similar findings.(CNN poll, NBC/WSJ poll, National Journal poll). But the Republicans don’t want to do anything about jobs.

No wonder Congressional Republicans and the tea party are so very unpopular.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

The republican plan opposing anything that will create jobs is a result of their determination to defeat president Obama. Americans see this, their plan will backfire come Nov 2012 as it did regarding president Truman. We need to face the facts, this government doesn’t work because republicans don’t want it to work. As long as they can separate the American people from their elected government the sooner they can have the conglomerates and business interests run this country. Notice they never mention out-sourcing.

Posted by: tferretti | September 17, 2011, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

Exactly. What’s odd about the republican party now is that they’re infighting about crony capitalism, even though they’re all crony capitalists. If nothing else, the tea party has given them standards that will highlight the hypocrisy of them all.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 17, 2011, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

Crony capitalism : Solyndra and Lightsquared Broadband scandals . This is just a surface of the corruption. Corruption starts from the top. Time soon will reveals …

A trillion dollars of taxpayers for the Stimulus plan needs to be accounted for. Where did the money go? Solyndra and LightSquared Broadband are just a tip of an iceberg. I cannot wait to see more and more dirty laundry will be revealed.

No one is above the laws, if there is criminal activity involved, some body needs to be i jail.

Posted by: ACDC2012 | September 17, 2011, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

I likewise wonder if Kimberly knows the difference between merely pecking out repetitive, boring, and obviously misleading posts, and writing a “a comment that is worthwhile”. I doubt it. And no, I am certainly not in High School, but before you basically posted that you are a very bored housewife who laughably seems to fancy herself an informed intellectual on political matters, I certainly thought you were either in high school or perhaps, at most, a newly brainwashed freshman in college.

Now, as has been stated by others several times earlier, the facts remain ( more than a year away from the election) that the average of four reputable polls show the Republican beating Obama, and, as Laura tried to point out to you, these polls also do not take into account the millions of people who say they favor Obama, but probably will not actually show up to vote for him because of his own massive and ongoing failures in nearly every arena one would care to name.

No problem granting that many Americans favor some of what Obama says he now wants to do, but the devil is in the details, and Obama has not given real details, (and quite obviously, he is not to merely be “trusted” on this or anything else either) — and worse yet, he is so far insisting that it’s an all-or-nothing deal, in which case it will certainly be very justifiably…nothing. What Americans do not favor is the further failure of even more goofball, ideological spending that produces nearly nothing of value to anyone, including real jobs, but only increases our already deep debt, which we can really and truly no longer afford. And most Americans also do not favor the lame attempt to paste over the massive debt by tax hikes, even long-term tax hikes disguised as, or supplemental to, a few short-term tax cuts, the apparent little game Obama is now proposing we play.

Furthermore, contrary to your trite and untrue statement that “Republicans don’t want to do anything about jobs”, they surely and wisely do want to reduce Obama’s runaway spending and reduce his myriad of bureaucratic restrictions on business, both of which absolutely do kill off jobs — jobs now, and future potential jobs. Obama’s only answer, on the contrary, is to continue, in a variety of guises and even disguises, the failed spending spree he has been moronically and disastrously engaged in since he took office.

No wonder he has failed, is failing, and will continue to fail — and no wonder that he will be but a failed one-term president. Next year can’t come soon enough.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 17, 2011, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Dear ABC, please stop being so ridiculously partisan by deleting totally legitimate posts, even if you do support President Obama. I thought maybe I was imagining it when earlier I was looking for several posts replying to the ever-present Kimberly, but now I’m sure. They are definitely gone, and they were well within the bounds of decency and relevance. So, Please Stop your partisan deletion of posts. You are, in the long run, just embarrassing yourself, and making people mistrust the “mainstream media” even more than they already do.

Posted by: Bridget | September 17, 2011, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Hey Bridget, I really don’t know with real certainty what’s going on, but I had several of my posts deleted earlier for no apparent reason at all, and when I simply attempted to re-post them a little while later, I was blocked from doing so. It appears, right this moment anyway, that the recent BlueDog post has reappeared, or he somehow reposted it himself. Even though a technical problem is remotely possible, it seems strange that all of the disappearing posts would be on the “conservative” side.

Posted by: Laura | September 17, 2011, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Bluedog, there’s a difference between a “bored housewife” and following a doctor’s recommendation to stay off your feet, but whatever. I am bored and I probably will be home full time for another 3-4 months and part-time for awhile after that. There’s nothing greater than being a mom. And there’s no rule that says moms aren’t or can’t be whip smart. Attempts to belittle, diminish and scapegoat someone because you don’t like what they have to say is the last refuge of those without a good argument. I say Bless your wee little heart, anyway ;^) We’re in a post-compassionate conservative era, and compassionate conservatism was an oxymoron to begin with.

On topic, it’s true that if you average the polls the generic republican is 0.5 ahead. That’s half a percentage point, despite the state of the economy, the GOP’s tea party’s momentum in ’10, and a successful ongoing smear campaign by the right. One of the articles I recommended was Covert Operations by Jane Mayer, a highly discussed article in the New Yorker. That goes into a little of what Obama’s up against. Republicans have been willing to engage in scorched earth tactics because they benefit from blocking policies Americans support. As long as the economy remains in bad shape, Obama’s approval ratings will be rocky, even if Republicans are viewed more negatively and they’re the ones blocking job-creation ideas the public likes.

As I keep pointing out, and you keep ignoring or calling trite, it’s also true that if you plug in the real candidates, including the current frontrunner, Obama comes out ahead, meaning his statements referenced in the blog post above make perfect sense. The fact of the matter is an actual candidate will be running against Obama. Anyone interested in the numbers can go to Real Clear Politics, which has links to all the polls it uses in its averages, or check my post at September 16, 2011, 6:28 pm .

The problem with Laura’s/your argument is that it’s a biased opinion without any substantiation whatsoever. You claim it is probable “millions” of former or would-be Obama supporters will stay home. This is conjecture over a year away from the election. You also state an opinion regarding massive failures, yet there are many people who are happy DADT was repealed,that an escrow fund to pay damages from the BP oil spill was pressed for and is now in place, that Bin Laden was captured and killed, that health care reform legislation was passed and SCHIP was expanded, that the administration isn’t anti-science or anti-immigration, that Obama has been a rigorous tax cutter during a time of recession and economic stagnation, that a credit card bill of rights was passed, etc, etc, etc. There are many people whom are grateful for Obama’s efforts to keep the safety net going and states afloat and public sector employees like firefighters and police officers employed. Whether they will stay home and not vote Nov. ’12 or not cannot be determined yet and will depend on whom the actual candidate is that the Republicans choose. Heck, the Republican establishment might vote for Obama if Paul or Bachmann becomes the candidate. Following the debt ceiling talks, both the GOP’s Congressional members and tea party are extremely unpopular. So while I appreciate that you think you/Laura shredded my argument with conjecture, I don’t find conjecture persuasive or conclusive, particularly if its rather far-fetched.

As for your weak defense of the GOP, the only things Republicans have proposed thus far is a Medicare-killing anti-stimulus that will worsen unemployment in the short term, hurling us into the double dip. A plurality of economists and financial experts recommend short-term stimulus and medium to long term fiscal discipline. They include Nouriel Roubini who predicted the financial collapse and was nicknamed Dr. Doom, Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf and Ben Bernanke, as well as folks like Bruce Bartlett. Austerity hasn’t been successful in Europe.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 12:57 am 12:57 am

ACDC— for perspective on Solyndra, take a peek at “Infographic:Solyndra ‘scandal’ vs. the Defense Department’s biggest boondoggles.”

See aso, the Solyndra” is the next “climategate” by David Roberts. Conservatives have been trying to paint this as a big scandal but we don’t know if there’s any scandal yet…. the company had plenty of private investors too and there’s no real evidence of WH wrongdoing thus far, beyond, maybe, possibly, pushing OMB to speed up their decision one way or another.

REeember “climategate”? In the end five different investigations cleared the scientists… but conservatives don’t care. They claim to be about and for business, yet “U.S. conservative movement activists, operators, and politicos hate clean energy. They don’t believe in climate change, they love fossil fuels and fossil-fuel campaign donations, and they think, or want the U.S. public to think, that clean energy is weak, unreliable, marginal, and dependent on government subsidies. ” Solyndra provides an opportunity to push their backwards-looking agenda while dancing on the grave of a business. The disdain for a technology developed and manufactured here in our country is truly disgusting. The right would rather cede the market and jobs to China.

Big Oil and the fossil fuel industry receives billions of dollars in government subsidies EVERY YEAR.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 1:02 am 1:02 am

ACDC, don’t you think if Republicans were serious about getting away from their well-known crony capitalism they’d back off their support of Medicare Advantage and stop interfering with implementation of the Dodd-Frank bill? What do you make of Perry’s relationship with Merck? Do Paul and Bachmann have Perry’s number, or is it okay to be a crony capitalist if you’re a republican, in your view?

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 1:08 am 1:08 am

Desperation = Long winded posts with too many words and too much spin designed to try and convince Independent voters to vote Obama that go unread due to their length.

Posted by: Noz | September 18, 2011, 9:29 am 9:29 am

So Kimberly, it seems you agree with me that one trillion dollars for NO-SHOVEL-READY-JOBS as well as Perry’s Merck relationship is a living proof of Crony Capitlism.

At least now we have some common ground. Obama’s Solyndra and LightSquared scandals are a tip of an iceberg of Crony Capitalism but wait, not too fast, one trillion dollars of taxpayers’ money have not been accounted for and we need to hold some one to be accountable for the Crony Capitalism, Do not we?

The SHOVEL-READY-JOBS Stimulus plan is just a front since there was ans is no jobs created. Over 9 percent unemployment rate, What’s happened to ” I will keep it under eight percent”? What’s happened to “Bush’s debt is unpatriotic” when Obama has the national debt doubled within two years?

Posted by: acdc | September 18, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Bluedog, I’m reminded of an oversized bag of chips– lots of crunch and salt, no substance or nutritional value. I prefer healthy food and honest recitations of what I’ve asserted. Lying about what I’ve posted and then offering a lame refutation and taunt regarding the lie isn’t persuasive or even intelligent.

As I’ve said, the numbers at Real Clear Politics — and a whole slate of other polls– show Obama leading the GOP field. The GOP, its congressional members and its tea party are extremely unpopular. Given that, the president’s remarks make perfect senses.

ACDC, I agree with you that crony capitalism is a problem on both sides of the aisle. Both sides. But I don’t think going after Solyndra with more gusto than other alleged examples makes sense, nor do I believe parroting right wing rags regarding guilt is persuasive.Conservatives have been trying to gin this up as a big scandal but we don’t know if there’s any scandal yet…. the company had plenty of private investors too and there’s no real evidence of WH wrongdoing thus far, beyond, maybe, possibly, pushing OMB to speed up their decision one way or another.

In the end five different investigations cleared the scientists involved in the much ado over little, ginned up “climate gate” scandal…I’d rather wait for the facts to unfold.

I disagree with you regarding ARRA, as I indicated on the thread of the blog post titled, ” Obama’s Weekly Address: Yet Another Plea To Pass The Jobs Bill” (gee, no spin in that title)See my post at September 18, 2011, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Obviously, Kimberly, I have no idea what you are now jabbering about (above), and I doubt you do either — it doesn’t even begin to make sense, but I’m not all that surprised.
………………….

Now Dearest Kimberly, where to really start, since there’s so much fun and enlightenment to be had from your reverse-reality Obama talking points, dishonest buzz words and misleading catch-phrases, and your continually wordy and desperate volleys of misinformation, that, sadly for you, continue to so obviously misfire?

How about here: Just what happened in that now famous, or infamous (for you perhaps), mid-term election — you know that historically decisive and extensive whipping the Dems received clear across the entire country which resulted in the Republican control of the House? Was the disenchantment, dissatisfaction, and even anger and disgust with Obama’s policies merely speculation and “conjecture”? Far more recently, just what happened in that New York special election in which the Democrat lost, and lost decisively, in a district that had not elected a Republican in 88 years? Was the disenchantment, dissatisfaction, and even anger and disgust with Obama’s policies mere speculation and “conjecture” there also? Slightly interesting to note that even Obama’s mouthpiece, Jay Carney, spun it thusly: “It was a special case in a specific district in a low turnout election.” What?! Low turnout? That rings a bell, surely. Ding-dong. But really, low turnout in such a publicized election, with so much money and energy poured into it by desperate Dems from across the country? So, anyway, the real truth is that predicting or asserting anything will happen, or is likely to happen, in the future is, indeed and obviously, a form of speculation and conjecture — whether it be polls more than a year away from an election or sensibly taking into account the deep disgust with, and widespread anger over, Obama’s failed policies, and even with Obama himself at this point. I will gladly go with my “conjecture” about many millions of Obama no-shows on election day over your pathologically persistent, yet mostly tacit, “conjecture” that those head-to-head polls (more than a year away from the election) show what is likely to happen next year.

Then, of course, you go on at length to give, unintentionally, almost a perversely hilarious caricature of the Dems’ usual talking points regarding Obama’s supposed achievements that people are thankful for, or should be thankful for, and, naturally and conversely, those very naughty and mean folks on the Right. But most are not thankful — as you so ardently wish they would be, and pretend so many are — because his policies have almost entirely failed to produce substantial positive results. Had they truly produced decent results for the massive amount of money spent, then it would still be debatable whether that huge amount of money spent was necessary or wise, but the debate would lean far more in his favor — but alas, his policies have utterly failed, so we have a debt we can not run and jump over, and next to nothing to show for it. So it is great and quite necessary that his stubborn plans to spend even more, ever more, are being blocked by those naughty “obstructionist” folks on “the Right”.

Along the way, you hypocritically talk about “a successful ongoing smear campaign by the right” when, in fact, no entity has been more consistently and thoroughly smeared than The Tea Party (of which I am not a member, by the way), continual smearing which has Obama’s active participation and happy blessing. Obama’s opponents are, according to your hollow buzz-words, ” anti-science” and “anti-immigration” Really? Being for the responsible use of science and wishing to also respect people’s religious views is equal to the absurd blanket buzz-term — “anti-science”? And being against illegal immigration — illegal immigration, yes — and wanting our government to respect and uphold the law and do their constitutional duty by stopping millions of people from illegally pouring over our border somehow translates into the absurd blanket buzz-term — “anti-immigration”? No, obviously. Your posts are chalk full this kind of disingenuous, sometimes downright dishonest, partisan absurdity — again obviously.

And, of course, in another post you make another typically laughable comment about the Solyndra scandal, merely pointing the finger at other, lesser, problems (both real and imagined) on the other side of the aisle. Half a billion dollars straight down the drain — 500 million, no less — all because of Obama’s brittle, failed ideology and sneaky strongarm tactics. Perhaps you should read, “Solyndra: Obama’s audacity of failure”. Google it, or Google another one of the many if that one doesn’t suit you.

As for your first paragraph, it is merely a very weird throw-away attempt at both pity and, oddly enough, respect. Please tell us no more about your personal life — it’s irrelevant, and frankly, few or none of us care at all, even if it makes you feel better to vent about it. And if you really believe you are “whip smart”, then I will concur with what you said to me: “I say Bless your wee little heart, anyway ;^)” Cheers, and good luck with all that.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 18, 2011, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Same oversized bag of chips. I’ll pass .

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Same easy shredding of your dreary nonsense.
Next.

Posted by: BlueDog | September 18, 2011, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Thanks for the validation that those that join the tea party are not only delusional but also schizophrenic (although for it to be true split personality disorder there would have to be different voices, and they’re all the same, Anon…oops, I mean, “Blue dog”.)

Ultimately, Obama polls ahead of the GOP frontrunner and tea party candidate, Rick Perry of Texas– where 1in 5 people live in poverty, and 1 in 4 children live in poverty. Texas ranks 6th in people living in poverty. How ’bout that Texas miracle, folks?

Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Poverty ! Really, not me and people I know. We live well and life is good under Perry governor ‘s watch.

Obama is toast, period. Even the Jews despite him. Bill Turner goes to Washington not to compromise with Obama but to get Obama out of the WH.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 18, 2011, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Obama should be replaced with an adult who is sane. That’s what will probably happen.

Posted by: Terry | September 19, 2011, 9:15 am 9:15 am

ACDC, there are the facts, and then there’s what you allege about yourself and your small circle of friends. 1 in 5 people in Texas live in poverty. They’re also not doing so well on health care insurance, children in poverty, education, living wages, and hunger.

Terry, which GOP candidate do you consider a sane adult? Michele Bachmann? Ron Paul? Rick Perry?

Posted by: Kimberly | September 19, 2011, 10:00 am 10:00 am

All of them are more sane than Obama in the areas that matter most. It’s not even a close call. I believe my dog could run the economy better than Obama. Just wondering, what’s up with you living 24/7 on these comments? Your perspective might broaden and become more accurate if you stopped posting so much and got out more or developed other interests.

Posted by: Terry | September 19, 2011, 10:15 am 10:15 am

My friendly gardener from the South border told me he could do a better job than Obama. I believe he would but he was not born in the US soil. He creates jobs . He has three people working for him.
Ouch!

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 19, 2011, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Terry, quite a few people are on $490.00 extended unemployment benefits. They have been on the weekly $490.00 welfare to long , they forget what ” work” means.

It’s a bad habit when a person has too much free time in her hand such as Kimberly.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 19, 2011, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Gotta agree, ACDC2012. Nothing wrong with being a regular poster, but spending that many hours on all these threads repeating silly crap to no end even after you basically get destroyed is pretty sad.

I have a lot of sympathy for those who are really trying and are still unemployed, but you are right that people do abuse the system and do become dependent and lose their gumption to do for themselves when the benefits just keep on getting extended. Best to you.

Posted by: Terry | September 19, 2011, 11:40 am 11:40 am

I want to make clear that there is a time , one may need to claim on unemployment benefits . One is entitled to his or her benefit but time is money and money is hard to come by today as well as tomorrow, however vomiting some robotic propaganda minute after minute is definitely a waist of human energy.

There are some good books about time management, it seems some poster here can find them useful.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 19, 2011, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

You realize that you’re just showing how uncomfortable I make you. Did you see Kilgore’s “Five Things All the GOP Candidates Agree On. (They’re Terrifying.)? They’re all radical and unpopular positions out of step with the American mainstream: no role for gov’t in the economy, hard money (get yer gold, matey!), .Radical anti-choice, anti-right to privacy activism, radical anti-science anti-environmentalism, and anti-unionism/anti-worker rights.

No wonder the GOP, its congressional members and its tea party are so very unpopular and Obama, despite the economy, is outpolling the lame GOP presidential candidates.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 19, 2011, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

No, Kimberly, not at all, The Soliinsky’s playbook for agitator does not effect me. My Elsavador gardener does not need stimulus plan to create jobs. His crew consists of three guys and they are not on unemployment line. They work hard without vomiting propaganda against any other human being.

Some one in the WH could learn from them how to create real jobs and conserve good employees.

Posted by: acdc2012 | September 19, 2011, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Um, for your own info, it’s Salvadoran gardener, not Elsavador gardener. Also, Solinsky is a distance runner from Wisconsin. I fail to see what he has to do with anything.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 20, 2011, 12:43 am 12:43 am

I admit I couldn’t resist seeing if the voices in her head and far-left obsessions and lack of other constructive interests in her life would compel her against all sanity to return again. Yep. Kimberly, you do make compassionate readers feel ”uncomfortable”, but not in the way you want to believe, not at all. You make them feel awkward or “uncomfortable” or you just make them laugh at you because you are making a complete fool of yourself with your same old silly and dogmatic rhetoric from the outer zones of the left that nobody with a brain buys anymore. We all realize by now that you are obsessed with the Tea Party and very, very scared of them, since every one of your however many repetitive posts reminds each time that — “the Tea Party is very unpopular”. Get over it, and please do develop some real outside interests in your life besides posting goofball junk all the time, or consider seeking an exorcist or psychiatrist if you can’t get out of your sad rut.

Posted by: Terry | September 20, 2011, 8:59 am 8:59 am

Since Obama is little more than a bad joke now anyway, he probably figures he might as well keep on making us laugh by making more clownish statements during this last year of his nightmare term. I can laugh since I have a job and not just a temporary government subsidized job or a union job either, but lots of other people who are suffering don’t find his crazy talk so funny. But they will be able to get at least a small last laugh next year in the voting booth.

Posted by: Joe Plumber | September 20, 2011, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Terry, it’s hard to believe the tea party lost its momentum so very quickly but then you look at posts from its defenders and note that they exhibit hypocrisy and focus more on ad hominen attacks and lies than anything else and you think, well, how long can that build a movement that attracts additional supporters? Not very long as it turns out. The tea party has become the most negative label in modern-day politics, according to Rasmussen, a conservative pollster. At some point there has to be a “there” there… and the tea party has turned out to be nothing more than the self-righteous and hypocritical religious right , which is also very unpopular according to polls. Regardless, it looks like they will be with Republicans for a long, long time meaning GOP candidates will have to pander to them and get pulled down into the gutter of perception alongside them

For instance, did you see Kilgore’s “Five Things All the GOP Candidates Agree On? Yep, they’re insane! They’re all radical and unpopular positions out of step with the American mainstream: no role for gov’t in the economy, radical anti-choice, anti-right to privacy activism, radical anti-science anti-environmentalism, and anti-unionism/anti-worker rights.

The majority of Americans aren’t conservative and disagree with these wild-eyed positions.

Posted by: Kimberly | September 20, 2011, 9:52 am 9:52 am

The ideologue who is very far out of step with America is Obama, and Kimberly.
Her continued and compulsive repeat propaganda posts show this quite clearly. There is no ‘there” for Obama for sure, and just claiming over and over that the tea party is very radical and very unpopular won’t help him all that much. However, it is likely to be one of the main lame left-wing tactics used and abused all this year and next.

Posted by: Joe Plumber | September 20, 2011, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Well, there ya go! Comrade Obama is back to smoking crack again!

Posted by: Mick Smith | September 20, 2011, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

With the way the Republicans are acting… holding back on everything that can help the economy just to thwart Obama… mmmm… you Repubs are hanging yourselves! LOL… do you really think that all the crap you all have been doing to the country will fly??? Picture IDs for voting, do away with social security and unions, cutting medicare for seniors…etc, etc…. LOL… You guys have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the White House if you don’t pass the jobs bill. NOW THINK ABOUT THAT! LOL… LOL sooo funny!

Posted by: Lorrie | September 20, 2011, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Hmmm… lots of angry, defensive Republicans on this post! ROFL!!!!!!!! … I can see you sweating! GOTTA LOVE IT!

Posted by: Lorrie | September 20, 2011, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

I am one of those Independents who voted for Obama last time, and no way at all would I vote for him again. Kimberly, your posts aren’t convincing me of anything except that you are very far to the left, and that you spend a huge amount of time posting here. And “Lorrie”, lots of silly LOLs from you over nothing it seems. The debate here has not gone well for the Obama supporters to put it mildly.

Posted by: Carol | September 20, 2011, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

“Carol”, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m stating facts. The GOP, its tea party and its congressional members are unpopular. As unlikely as it would seem given the economy, Obama it outpolling the GOP presidential candidates. Why? they’re out of step with mainstream America. Now, “Laurie” might want to chat up the generic Republican, but.. the generic Republican isn’t real.

Alexandra Petri has a good comment on the generic republican thing at the Washington Post site: take a gander at “Basilisks, Ron Paul and the quest for the Generic Republican”.

(p.s. to Lorrie…. I know, right?)

Posted by: Kimberly | September 20, 2011, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Obama’s predictions are always so spot on in an odd sort of way. You just have to qualify it as a mirror of reality and then his record is better than anyones.

Posted by: TexBork | September 20, 2011, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

No, Kimberly. It’s hard to believe you can be so seriously deluded, but I guess that is the very definition of delusion. You are just repeating again and again and again the same stale stuff from the far left that has been more than thoroughly discussed here, and you very clearly got the short end of that discussion every time. I’m sorry you can’t see that, but sheer stubbornness and just posting the same silly points again and again with same far-left rhetoric is not valid argument at all. But it’s your time, so waste it as you please. I’ll take it that Texbork is just kidding. LOL, I guess, either way, since Obama is a one-term president almost for sure.

Posted by: Carol | September 20, 2011, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Well, “Carol”, way back I mentioned “voice.” You may want to look it up and work on developing different ones. Otherwise I won’t be the only one who laughs at the hypocrisy regarding the meme on time spent.

Meanwhile, I do think the Laurie or Laura personality would enjoy the piece “Basilisks, Ron Paul and the quest for the Generic Republican”. Pass that along ;^)

Posted by: Kimberly | September 20, 2011, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Sure nuf’, Kimberly. Everyone who sees how obsssive and silly you are is all just one person. Whtever makes you happy in your severe loss and continual posting.

Posted by: Carol | September 20, 2011, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Obama, as of next November = defeated one-termer, desperately trying to save his poor “legacy”.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | September 20, 2011, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

You have to be joking Obama has done more harm to this already unstable economy than Bush ever did in his eight years in Office. You had better open your eyes before it is to late Obama Hates this Countrywhy Can’t you see this are you blind. The things he should be cutting funding to like the U N he will not do or stop buying oil from OPEC.
All of you that Love Obama are blind sheep lead to the slaughter He is not the Savior of this Country but it’s Distruction.

Posted by: David | September 21, 2011, 9:26 am 9:26 am

What in god’s name is wrong with you people? Obama is a damn fine president compared to the lineup of crazies and fools that you call the republican candidates. I’d rather have him thank any one of them any day of the year. They spout the same garbage as each other and then argue about who’s sh*t smells the best. I know 6 year olds who could run this country better than Romney, Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, or Santorum. Republicans whine about the stupidest things, then expect that whining and throwing a “no” tantrum will fix the problems set forth. At least Obama came up with a few plans that have worked previously and are actually tried and true for bringing the economy out of a depression. Republicans have yet to come up with one that makes sense and benefits someone other than the mega-rich. “The 10 richest men in our country could buy the world. The 10,000,000 poorest can barely afford bread.”

Posted by: DEMinthebiblebelt | November 24, 2011, 1:11 am 1:11 am

feb 15,2012 just read this and blogs. the answer is with us all of us.Hit me once and its your fault.Hit me twice and its my fault.I don’t care who hits me this time as long as it not O? I can’t even speak his name.I am just getting to where I can say the word caarter as in jiiiim no I can’t say it yet.He is going to say the boga man did it.I would gladly vote for Hillary? Is it possible? dastic time need drastic measures— google the council on foreign relations #1 and #4 world order. WE WE need to do away with the elec college. Quit secret “certified vote” and go to a VERIFIED VOTE.

Posted by: mike | February 15, 2012, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

why the hell is obama so confident that he is going to get re-elected?! i hope people will not be as ignorant at the next presidental election.

Posted by: angry | April 6, 2012, 3:37 am 3:37 am

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