Comments on: Obama ‘Open to a New Relationship With Cuba’ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/ The latest Politics news and blog posts from ABC News contributors and bloggers including Jake Tapper, George Stephanopoulos and more. Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:23:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Bart http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3580362 Bart Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:19:32 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3580362 “The bill fell 14 votes short of the 60 necessary to close debate and move to a vote. 37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and one independent in voted against ending debate. 34 Democrats and 12 Republicans wanted to move toward final passage. In other words, most of the Democrats voted to move toward final passage of the bill. Most of the Republicans voted against moving toward final passage. Posted by: Jazz | September 28, 2011, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm jazz, only a liberal could look at those numbers and say it was the Republicans fault the bill didn’t move forward Posted by: J.R. | September 29, 2011, 8:54 am 8:54 am Oh good heavens, the Republicans voting against everything has no impact - it's all the Democrats fault. Even President Bush was disappointed this bill did not get passed - one of the major problems with the Republicans - their inability to compromise and work out solutions even amongst themselves keeps the country back. Same with reform of Fannie and Freddie. “The bill fell 14 votes short of the 60 necessary to close debate and move to a vote.

37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and one independent in voted against ending debate. 34 Democrats and 12 Republicans wanted to move toward final passage.

In other words, most of the Democrats voted to move toward final passage of the bill. Most of the Republicans voted against moving toward final passage.

Posted by: Jazz | September 28, 2011, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

jazz, only a liberal could look at those numbers and say it was the Republicans fault the bill didn’t move forward

Posted by: J.R. | September 29, 2011, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Oh good heavens, the Republicans voting against everything has no impact – it’s all the Democrats fault.

Even President Bush was disappointed this bill did not get passed – one of the major problems with the Republicans – their inability to compromise and work out solutions even amongst themselves keeps the country back. Same with reform of Fannie and Freddie.

]]> By: Noz http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3573102 Noz Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:28:45 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3573102 Maybe Barry can get a deal with Communist Cuba like we have with Communist China. That way we can get really junky stuff made really cheaply right next door and save all of that shipping expense. Other than that, who cares? Maybe Barry can get a deal with Communist Cuba like we have with Communist China.
That way we can get really junky stuff made really cheaply right next door and save all of that shipping expense.

Other than that, who cares?

]]> By: jane r. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3568152 jane r. Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:58:48 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3568152 I think it's been about 40 years since Nixon established detente with China. Those were back in the days of heightened cold war tensions and the Indochina conflict of Nam. This was the act of a Republican president, hardly taken in small incremental steps. In contrast, we now have a Democratic president repeating a campaign promise on more open relations with Cuba with an insistence on preconditions that aren't likely to be met. Obama seems to be offering, in an almost reluctant manner, enticements to his more progressive constituents. By standards of years ago, Obama is more like a moderate to conservative Republican. There's been some striking changes, which some might call devolvement, over the years to the presidential gene pool. I think it’s been about 40 years since Nixon established detente with China. Those were back in the days of heightened cold war tensions and the Indochina conflict of Nam. This was the act of a Republican president, hardly taken in small incremental steps.

In contrast, we now have a Democratic president repeating a campaign promise on more open relations with Cuba with an insistence on preconditions that aren’t likely to be met. Obama seems to be offering, in an almost reluctant manner, enticements to his more progressive constituents.

By standards of years ago, Obama is more like a moderate to conservative Republican. There’s been some striking changes, which some might call devolvement, over the years to the presidential gene pool.

]]> By: Yep I said that http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3563662 Yep I said that Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:51:23 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3563662 Fast & Furious...Obamas Watergate When will he be indicted? OBAMA________VS______AMERICA Fast & Furious…Obamas Watergate

When will he be indicted?

OBAMA________VS______AMERICA

]]> By: Yep I said that http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3563582 Yep I said that Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:04 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3563582 SOLYNDRA probe threatens to ensnare Obama's Energy Secretary... Obama admin approves 2 solar loans worth $1B... Links to Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law? REPORT: Dem-Donor Companies Got $500M From Feds... Can impeachment be far behind? OBAMA____________VS___________AMERICA SOLYNDRA probe threatens to ensnare Obama’s Energy Secretary…

Obama admin approves 2 solar loans worth $1B…

Links to Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law?

REPORT: Dem-Donor Companies Got $500M From Feds…

Can impeachment be far behind?

OBAMA____________VS___________AMERICA

]]> By: J.R. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3560172 J.R. Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:54:25 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3560172 "The bill fell 14 votes short of the 60 necessary to close debate and move to a vote. 37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and one independent in voted against ending debate. 34 Democrats and 12 Republicans wanted to move toward final passage. In other words, most of the Democrats voted to move toward final passage of the bill. Most of the Republicans voted against moving toward final passage. Posted by: Jazz | September 28, 2011, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm jazz, only a liberal could look at those numbers and say it was the Republicans fault the bill didn't move forward. Heck, it wouldn't have even passed a simple majority! Either way, if Obama was such a big proponent of this measure he would have moved it forward forcefully in his first year when the dems had dominant control of both houses of Congress. But he didn't, he focused on the now failed stimulus and the wretched Obamacare bill. Now he is monday morning quarterbacking illegal immigration positions and casting blame on the Republicans to help his re-election chances with the Hispanic community. He won't push any bills now because this issue is a big loser with the American public. “The bill fell 14 votes short of the 60 necessary to close debate and move to a vote.

37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and one independent in voted against ending debate. 34 Democrats and 12 Republicans wanted to move toward final passage.

In other words, most of the Democrats voted to move toward final passage of the bill. Most of the Republicans voted against moving toward final passage.

Posted by: Jazz | September 28, 2011, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

jazz, only a liberal could look at those numbers and say it was the Republicans fault the bill didn’t move forward. Heck, it wouldn’t have even passed a simple majority!

Either way, if Obama was such a big proponent of this measure he would have moved it forward forcefully in his first year when the dems had dominant control of both houses of Congress. But he didn’t, he focused on the now failed stimulus and the wretched Obamacare bill. Now he is monday morning quarterbacking illegal immigration positions and casting blame on the Republicans to help his re-election chances with the Hispanic community. He won’t push any bills now because this issue is a big loser with the American public.

]]> By: Nephron http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3558662 Nephron Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:32:26 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3558662 "All persons deemed prisoners of conscience have been released". To quote another Mcauliff-: NUTS! That has to be one of the most naive comments ever posted on this blog..No source,no facts,no reality. Henry Wallace lives! “All persons deemed prisoners of conscience have been released”. To quote another Mcauliff-: NUTS! That has to be one of the most naive comments ever posted on this blog..No source,no facts,no reality. Henry Wallace lives!

]]> By: John McAuliff http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3556912 John McAuliff Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:07:55 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3556912 What if Cuba demanded that the US have free health care and higher education like it does, or ended use of the death penalty and runaway gun use, before it was “open to a new relationship”, President Obama has either fallen into a 100 year old trap of assuming that the US has the right to shape Cuba’s domestic polity or is just looking for excuses.. He is badly informed about what is happening inside Cuba today. Thanks to the assistance of Spain and the Catholic church, all persons deemed prisoners of conscience have been released. Those still imprisoned are guilty of violent crimes, including hijacking. China and Saudi Arabia and other countries have more serious problems of repression than Cuba does but that does not inhibit our bilateral relations with them. Cuba is in the early stages of transforming its economy and social system, similar to the first steps in China and Vietnam, but the direction is clear as every serious international reporter has documented. Obama could be taking positive steps to foster change instead of buying into the politics of the minority of hard liners in the Cuban American community who cannot recognize or tolerate self-directed evolution. The President has acted forcefully on Cuban American travel and remittances but timidly on restoring the rights of the rest of us. Cuba is one more issue where the excitement of campaign promises to meet with US opponents for real dialog has been replaced by tired rhetoric of conditionality. John McAuliff Fund for Reconciliation and Development What if Cuba demanded that the US have free health care and higher education like it does, or ended use of the death penalty and runaway gun use, before it was “open to a new relationship”,
President Obama has either fallen into a 100 year old trap of assuming that the US has the right to shape Cuba’s domestic polity or is just looking for excuses..
He is badly informed about what is happening inside Cuba today. Thanks to the assistance of Spain and the Catholic church, all persons deemed prisoners of conscience have been released. Those still imprisoned are guilty of violent crimes, including hijacking. China and Saudi Arabia and other countries have more serious problems of repression than Cuba does but that does not inhibit our bilateral relations with them.
Cuba is in the early stages of transforming its economy and social system, similar to the first steps in China and Vietnam, but the direction is clear as every serious international reporter has documented. Obama could be taking positive steps to foster change instead of buying into the politics of the minority of hard liners in the Cuban American community who cannot recognize or tolerate self-directed evolution.
The President has acted forcefully on Cuban American travel and remittances but timidly on restoring the rights of the rest of us.
Cuba is one more issue where the excitement of campaign promises to meet with US opponents for real dialog has been replaced by tired rhetoric of conditionality.
John McAuliff
Fund for Reconciliation and Development

]]> By: wheresmymoney http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3555012 wheresmymoney Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:42:55 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3555012 Read both your posts Jazz. YOUR OWN NUMBERS contradict themselves. My personal favorite lie is in the first one. Reid and ALL 33 Democrats in the Senate. Read both your posts Jazz. YOUR OWN NUMBERS contradict themselves.

My personal favorite lie is in the first one. Reid and ALL 33 Democrats in the Senate.

]]> By: excfo http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-open-to-a-new-relationship-with-cuba/#comment-3533942 excfo Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:14:12 +0000 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=88802#comment-3533942 It's about time we tried to normalize relations with Cuba. How could anyone think that Cuba represents some sort of danger to the US? More open communications and dialog would illustrate what a miserable failure this Communist experiment in our hemisphere has been.And the last time I checked, the Cold War was over and we won it. I actually traveled to Cuba, when I was in the Navy, before Castro deposed Batista, and it's a lovely island. Cruise ship passengers would love it. It’s about time we tried to normalize relations with Cuba. How could anyone think that Cuba represents some sort of danger to the US? More open communications and dialog would illustrate what a miserable failure this Communist experiment in our hemisphere has been.And the last time I checked, the Cold War was over and we won it. I actually traveled to Cuba, when I was in the Navy, before Castro deposed Batista, and it’s a lovely island. Cruise ship passengers would love it.

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