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	<title>Comments on: Shovel-Ready, Take II: Would Obama Infrastructure Plan Create Jobs Now?</title>
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		<title>By: mindy rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindy rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 20:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too bad so many people are being led by the nose by Obama&#039;s campaign people....Obama knows Americans are furious at his lies about using money to create jobs for Americans so he enjoys the spotlight on protesters in Chicago...NATO never once promised Americans jobs...who did...Barack Obama.  But these protesters must not use their computers for research otherwise they would be surrounding Barack Obama not NATO...he is the source of the problem not NATO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad so many people are being led by the nose by Obama&#8217;s campaign people&#8230;.Obama knows Americans are furious at his lies about using money to create jobs for Americans so he enjoys the spotlight on protesters in Chicago&#8230;NATO never once promised Americans jobs&#8230;who did&#8230;Barack Obama.  But these protesters must not use their computers for research otherwise they would be surrounding Barack Obama not NATO&#8230;he is the source of the problem not NATO.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WILLIAM: &quot;I would like very much to have all my soc sec paid to me now so i can open up a retirement account so i have something and not worry about this rotten federal government.&quot;

Out of everything you said, that was the only thing that made any sense.

Is that you, Skip or Kimberly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WILLIAM: &#8220;I would like very much to have all my soc sec paid to me now so i can open up a retirement account so i have something and not worry about this rotten federal government.&#8221;</p>
<p>Out of everything you said, that was the only thing that made any sense.</p>
<p>Is that you, Skip or Kimberly?</p>
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		<title>By: WILLIAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLIAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LETS HAVE A YARD SALE AT THE WHITE HOUSE I BET THAT 400 DOLLOR COFFEE POT WOULD FETCH SOMETHING AND ALL THOSE THROW AWAYS IN THE BASEMENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE I LOVE THAT SONG PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT I WISH I WOULD HAVE NEVER GIVEN UP MY CITIZENSHIP IN GERMANY  I&#039;M SORRY I EVER WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LETS HAVE A YARD SALE AT THE WHITE HOUSE I BET THAT 400 DOLLOR COFFEE POT WOULD FETCH SOMETHING AND ALL THOSE THROW AWAYS IN THE BASEMENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE I LOVE THAT SONG PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT I WISH I WOULD HAVE NEVER GIVEN UP MY CITIZENSHIP IN GERMANY  I&#8217;M SORRY I EVER WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN</p>
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		<title>By: WILLIAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLIAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO HAVE ALL MY SOC SEC PAID TO ME NOW SO I CAN OPEN UP A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT  SO I HAVE SOMETHING AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THIS ROTTEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WE GET THIS  NEWS LETTER EVERY YEAR FROM SOC SEC IT SAID IN THE NEWS LETTER THAT I QUALIFY NOW FOR PAYMENTS  WHEN I CALL THEM THEY TELL ME NO YOU HAVE TO BE 65 IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IN THE NEWS LETTER  IT SAYS I QUALIFY TO RECIEVE BENIFITS NOW FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME I PAID INTO SOC SEC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO HAVE ALL MY SOC SEC PAID TO ME NOW SO I CAN OPEN UP A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT  SO I HAVE SOMETHING AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THIS ROTTEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WE GET THIS  NEWS LETTER EVERY YEAR FROM SOC SEC IT SAID IN THE NEWS LETTER THAT I QUALIFY NOW FOR PAYMENTS  WHEN I CALL THEM THEY TELL ME NO YOU HAVE TO BE 65 IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IN THE NEWS LETTER  IT SAYS I QUALIFY TO RECIEVE BENIFITS NOW FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME I PAID INTO SOC SEC</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KIMBERLY: &quot;Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 40 percent of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.&quot;

Call our Social Security system what you want, Kimberly. It’s unsustainable either way.

Without endless &#039;tweaking&#039; at higher-and-higher cost for less-and-less benefit, it won&#039;t be helping anybody. On the other hand, people have been successfully relying on sustainable market-based solutions for the past 30 years -- without the disadvantages that plague Social Security. The return on investment for a private retirement account is at least 3-6 times the return on investment for Social Security.

Again, the question is, why do liberals continue to insist we invest in our retirement at a loss? Sadly, I believe the answer lies in the giant government slush fund Social Security has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIMBERLY: &#8220;Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 40 percent of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Call our Social Security system what you want, Kimberly. It’s unsustainable either way.</p>
<p>Without endless &#8216;tweaking&#8217; at higher-and-higher cost for less-and-less benefit, it won&#8217;t be helping anybody. On the other hand, people have been successfully relying on sustainable market-based solutions for the past 30 years &#8212; without the disadvantages that plague Social Security. The return on investment for a private retirement account is at least 3-6 times the return on investment for Social Security.</p>
<p>Again, the question is, why do liberals continue to insist we invest in our retirement at a loss? Sadly, I believe the answer lies in the giant government slush fund Social Security has become.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, I meant “The structure, intent, logic and mode of social security and Ponzi schemes have little, if anything in common.” Sorry about the typo, but   when harping on typos is your best argument, it is an indication that your argument isn’t very good. Sustainability is your best argument– because both have sustainability issues — but you don’t lay it out with any detail, largely because it’s not as strong an argument as you allude to, and it leads to a discussion of transparencies, and how the transparency of one (social security) make it possible to address sustainability fairly easily. To most normal people, there’s a big difference between tricking innocents into making doomed investments and a social insurance program that has benefited millions of Americans.

Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 40 percent of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.

“If we nominate someone who the Democrats could correctly characterize as being against Social Security, we would be obliterated.” — Mitt Romney

But go ahead… by all means, go ahead. I’m backing the horses that don’t see it your way but instead are cool-headed, reasonable and in keeping with the American mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, I meant “The structure, intent, logic and mode of social security and Ponzi schemes have little, if anything in common.” Sorry about the typo, but   when harping on typos is your best argument, it is an indication that your argument isn’t very good. Sustainability is your best argument– because both have sustainability issues — but you don’t lay it out with any detail, largely because it’s not as strong an argument as you allude to, and it leads to a discussion of transparencies, and how the transparency of one (social security) make it possible to address sustainability fairly easily. To most normal people, there’s a big difference between tricking innocents into making doomed investments and a social insurance program that has benefited millions of Americans.</p>
<p>Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 40 percent of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.</p>
<p>“If we nominate someone who the Democrats could correctly characterize as being against Social Security, we would be obliterated.” — Mitt Romney</p>
<p>But go ahead… by all means, go ahead. I’m backing the horses that don’t see it your way but instead are cool-headed, reasonable and in keeping with the American mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KIMBERLY: &quot;. . . social security and Ponzi schemes have nothing little, if anything in common.&quot;

Do they have &#039;little&#039; or &#039;nothing&#039; in common? Just admit it -- the comparisons are fair -- they are basically the same thing.

Call it what you want. It&#039;s unsustainable either way.

KIMBERLY: &quot;There is nothing sinister or fraudelent about social security, and many millions of Americans have relied on their earned benefits during retirement.&quot;

And, there&#039;s nothing legitimate about a social program that cannot exist without continuously more taxes for continuously less benefit. Liberals acting like an inherently broken system can be fixed permanently with some &#039;minor tweaks&#039; is where the fraud comes in. That&#039;s just par for the course for liberals, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIMBERLY: &#8220;. . . social security and Ponzi schemes have nothing little, if anything in common.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do they have &#8216;little&#8217; or &#8216;nothing&#8217; in common? Just admit it &#8212; the comparisons are fair &#8212; they are basically the same thing.</p>
<p>Call it what you want. It&#8217;s unsustainable either way.</p>
<p>KIMBERLY: &#8220;There is nothing sinister or fraudelent about social security, and many millions of Americans have relied on their earned benefits during retirement.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, there&#8217;s nothing legitimate about a social program that cannot exist without continuously more taxes for continuously less benefit. Liberals acting like an inherently broken system can be fixed permanently with some &#8216;minor tweaks&#8217; is where the fraud comes in. That&#8217;s just par for the course for liberals, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The structure, intent, logic and mode of social security and Ponzi schemes have nothing little, if anything in common. Social security has much more in common with pay as you go pension plans. Changing demographics do cause concern, but if population were stable, the balance of social security and other pay as you go pension plans would be as well--- and actually, according to Harry Dent, the economy would also be more stable. 

There is nothing sinister or fraudelent about social security, and many millions of Americans have relied on their earned benefits during retirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The structure, intent, logic and mode of social security and Ponzi schemes have nothing little, if anything in common. Social security has much more in common with pay as you go pension plans. Changing demographics do cause concern, but if population were stable, the balance of social security and other pay as you go pension plans would be as well&#8212; and actually, according to Harry Dent, the economy would also be more stable. </p>
<p>There is nothing sinister or fraudelent about social security, and many millions of Americans have relied on their earned benefits during retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 23:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KIMBERLY: &quot;Ponzi schemes involve fraud.&quot;

The government doesn&#039;t make their Ponzi scheme any more sustainable by admitting that it works just like any other Ponzi scheme and is just as unsustainable. Not to mention, Social Security is actually worse than a Ponzi scheme because we are all forced to contribute to it.

KIMBERLY: &quot;It also hasn’t been a failure.&quot;

If you consider less-and-less present-day workers paying for more-and-more present-day retirees and a system schedule to collapse without fundamental reform a success, you are living in denial. We need to move to proven-sustainable market-based retirement plans -- that provide much better returns for the American people&#039;s money -- rather than the government&#039;s unsustainable Ponzi schemes that bleed the people of yet more of their precious money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIMBERLY: &#8220;Ponzi schemes involve fraud.&#8221;</p>
<p>The government doesn&#8217;t make their Ponzi scheme any more sustainable by admitting that it works just like any other Ponzi scheme and is just as unsustainable. Not to mention, Social Security is actually worse than a Ponzi scheme because we are all forced to contribute to it.</p>
<p>KIMBERLY: &#8220;It also hasn’t been a failure.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you consider less-and-less present-day workers paying for more-and-more present-day retirees and a system schedule to collapse without fundamental reform a success, you are living in denial. We need to move to proven-sustainable market-based retirement plans &#8212; that provide much better returns for the American people&#8217;s money &#8212; rather than the government&#8217;s unsustainable Ponzi schemes that bleed the people of yet more of their precious money.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shovel ready jobs in my area all went to companies in Mexico because they were the low bid. I did not see a single american working on the street projects many of which were unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shovel ready jobs in my area all went to companies in Mexico because they were the low bid. I did not see a single american working on the street projects many of which were unnecessary.</p>
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