GOP Never Accused Reagan of ‘Class Warfare’ for Tax Plan, Obama Says

What he DOESN’T say is Reagan LOWERED taxes on the wealthy, and RAISED taxes on the poor. Reagan got rid of the loopholes. Dems just put them right back in.

Obama, YOU ARE NO REAGAN.

True leaders build confidence in others. Tyrants intimidate. Egotists build themselves up at the expense of others. Insecure leaders are threatened by the growth of others around them. True leaders build confidence in others and lead the way to growth for their entire team.

Leaders love to lead. They don’t resent it, instead of whining and complaining about it they recognize all that comes with the territory. They aren’t reluctant, recalcitrant or otherwise reticent to lead. They embrace it!

Leaders remain cool under fire. They don’t panic. They take adversity in stride and their calmness under duress reassures others.

Successful leaders take the high road. At times they take hits for not responding in kind when criticized. They understand as a leader sometimes it’s a trap to prove to others you’re right. They abstain from wars of words.

Look at the rally against Wall Street….See all those young Americans? They’re of all races. I hope they all remember to vote because they can see that the Tea Party is not sending the right message to our youth.

Reagan lowered tax rates dramatically at the margin. He lowered taxes overall twice. He did eliminate some deductions. They are not loopholes. For Obama to compare his tax raising debacle to Reagan is ridiculous. He does think we are stupid. He also has the media as stenographers to just write down what he says.

Reagan did not go around the country demanding that people pay their fairshare either. He went around the country demanding that government give the people their money back.

Some person in this thread says that Reagan would be labeled a RINO by the tea party. Reagan was the Teaparty of 1976 and 1980. Reagan was an outsider to the republican establishment. Ford and Bush 41 did not like him.

First off, the poor economy is Obama’s problem, not Reagan’s! Class Warfare or not, Reagan would have never WASTED the nearly $5 Trillion spent in under 3 years like Obama has! – Obama’s lack of executive experience is the reason he has no clue of what to do next, aside from playing his political blame games!!! A real leader does not whine and cry that its always someones else’s fault they have failed like Obama has failed!

Reagan today would NEVER be allowed into office by the Teapublican Party of the 21st century. He would be labelled a RINO by Rambling sea+++++And Kennedy would be to conservative for the left..

WHEREISMYMONEY: Believe me neither Obama or his supporters don’t want Obama to be Reagan. Not even close. I know this is difficult for you to comprehend but he is simply showing you the dissonance of the Republican mind who idolizes Reagan while his stands rebuke them. What you left out was that Reagan turned around and raised taxes 11 times and gave us the legacy of national debts and deficits as well as the death of the middle class. But I don’t expect Conservatives to figure this out.

Jenny (5:36 PM) took the words right out of my mouth.

Instead of the Buffett rule, why didn’t the president call his tax idea, Raising Capital Gains. That’s what the plan is. Mr. Buffett pays a lower percentage on his capital gains income (made from money already taxed and put at risk) than his secretary pays on her salary. That must be the loophole to which the president is referring. I’m against loopholes, but once again, I can’t agree with the president’s description of the capital gains tax. The 9-9-9 idea sounds better all the time.

Child credits? Earned income credits? see what I mean about haters? Equating these $100-$2K credits/deductions to the $250k-$?million loopholes is just nonsense… Millionaires don’t worry about their rent, mortgage or utilities, or feeding their children. The Earned income credit is capped at households making @35K a year and is based on the acknowledgement that for a family, that is barely above poverty. Conservatives, always worrying about the children… except when it comes to feeding, clothing or sheltering them… And on capital gains, yes the investment money was already taxed at a reduced rate, we’re not talking about taxing it again- we are talking about taxing the new profits– double taxation is one of the big LIES told to confuse people and create a false sense of unfairness.

So close the loop holes Mr. President….on everyone,including your favorites such as Ethanol and Solar industries.

Isn’t it amazing that when the President ‘fights back’ and points out the lies, inconsistecies and hypocracies of the right…he is labeled a ‘whiner’ or worse a ‘class warfare’ artist. Even though we have all lived through a ‘class warfare decade’ where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. To a point where the ‘gap’ between the richest and poorest of this nation is the widest ever. WE all sat here and watched Wall Street and the big banks go completely wild and almost destroy our nation and the world financially…and yet we allow the GOP to berate our President when he ‘dares’ to regulate them. And worst of all. We sit here and allow a dirt, dumb movement like the ‘tea party’ almost destroy our nation’s credit rating over an ‘ideological belief’ that does not match reality. I’ll say what I always have. Until the ‘dumbed down electorate’ gets smarter….these kinds of ‘games’ will always be used on you by those with ‘wealth and power’. And unfortunately its to the point where the ‘middle class’…almost no longer exists. And yet….so many of you still cannot …figure it out.

Reagan today would NEVER be allowed into office by the Teapublican Party of the 21st century. He would be labelled a RINO by Rambling sea+++++And Kennedy would be to conservative for the left..

Posted by: Jenny | October 4, 2011, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

The first part by another commenter is accurate but the part about JFK is ridiculous. Are you using the democrat party as synonymous with “the left”? The democrat party is a big tent made up of some conservatives, most moderates and most liberals. Most Americans are not conservative and view the radicalized GOP and its tea party negatively.

Here’s a good quote:

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” — JFK

Sounds way more democrat than republican.

Folks, you are walking into the path that Obama and the left wing nut jobs want you too. Stop all the distraction, please. Stay in focus or we will have to live another 4 years of crisis.

He can blame all he wants to. He can create all the civil unrest he wants to. We need to focus on his records for the past three years.

The issues are : JOBS, CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING, BALANCE THE BUDGET.

Are we better off than 3 years ago? No, we are not, period.

WOODY | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 8:53 PM:

“Reagan slashed marginal income tax rates from as high as 90% to the 20′s and 30′s. Obama conveniently left that part out. That led to the greatest broad-based economic boom in our country’s history.”
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LMAO! ……. The Reagan Tax Cuts (called the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981) were introduced in 1981, and in November/December 1982, the nation experienced the HIGHEST unemployment since the Great Depression, “10.8% unemployment” (November and December 1982).

The ONLY thing that saved Reagan and got the economy moving after this tax act failed was his own form of “stimulus” spending, i.e., huge spending in the Defense Department.

By the way, that “10.8% unemployment” under Ronald Reagan (November / December 1982), 22 months into his presidency, is verifiable at the BLS website.

Same old crap different day blah, blah, blah from FORREST GUMP IS A REPUBLICAN | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 9:09 PM

Good lord he doesn’t know when to shut up blah, blah, blah from FORREST GUMP IS A REPUBLICAN | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 9:15 PM

By the way, that “10.8% unemployment” under Ronald Reagan (November / December 1982), 22 months into his presidency, is verifiable at the BLS website.

POSTED BY: FORREST GUMP IS A REPUBLICAN | +++Soooooo after 22 months unemployment began to trend down for the rest of his two terms. Three years of Oblamer and steady high unemployment!!! Its obvious he is in way over his head. Hindsight concerning Solyndra? Now he is lying too. ABC even reported that he was told not to go with Solyndra. Change in 2012. See you then.

WACT1 | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 9:25 PM

“Soooooo after 22 months unemployment began to trend down for the rest of his two terms.”
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LOL! …… Go study a little bit of history before you attempt to say that unemployment “trended down” under Reagan:

January 1981, Reagan takes over White House from Carter, unemployment = 7.5%
February 1981 = …….. 7.4%
April 1981 = …………… 7.2%
July 1981 = ……………. 7.2%
(Notice that the trend is already downward)

August 1981, Reagan introduces his “Tax Cuts” (Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, signed by Reagan on August 13th, 1981)
August 1981 = ………. 7.4%
September 1981 = …. 7.6%
October 1981 = …….. 7.9%
November 1981 = …. 8.3%
December 1981 = …. 8.5%
January 1982 = …….. 8.6%
February 1982 = …… 8.9%
March 1982 = ………. 9.0%
April 1982 = ………… 9.3%
May 1982 = …………. 9.4%
June 1982 = ………… 9.6%
July 1982 = ………….. 9.8%
September 1982 = … 10.1%
October 1982 = …….. 10.4%
November 1982 = ….. 10.8%
December 1982 = …… 10.8%

LOL! …..16 months after Reagan signed into law his “tax cuts”, unemployment was up to 10.8%…. and it DIDN’T come down until Reagan decided to spend HUMONGOUS amounts in the Department of Defense (Reagan’s very own “stimulus” spending). Up until that point, Reagan’s unemployment trend was UP!

…and when did Reagan’s unemployment finally get below “7.5%”, the unemployment rate he took from Carter (before it started climbing to 10.8%)? ….. that occurred in May 1984, 3 years and 4 months into his presidency.

Of course, the right-whiners expect miracles from Obama 31 months into Obama’s presidency, but for their own Republican hero, Reagan, they were “fine, dumb and happy” with unemployment remaining above what Carter passed to Reagan (7.5%) for a whole 40 months…. LOL!

LOL! …… when they’re faced with actual facts, some fools can only reply with “blah”. Shows the depth of their intelligence quite clearly.

ForrestGump: Nice numbers. Nobody cares. It’s about today. Nobody hungry today cares about numbers or who did what to whom. Obama said he understood the problems and could fix them. That’s what the man said. And I will say, since you are into numbers, polls clearly show folks are tired of Bush being blamed for every nose bleed. Man up. But, the next time I see an unemployed person I will tell him/her that history says it’s just the same old stuff and it has been this bad for the past 20 years. So, cheer up and get over it. That will make us feel better. Give me a solution not history.

Raising taxes on 1% of the population to below Reagan levels versus the rate on the other 99% and THAT is labeled Class Warfare? 99 to 1?

Reagan’s fiscal policies greatly increased deficit spending and led to a massive increase in the national debt. However; unlike the current crowd of right wing looneys, Reagan was at least responsible enough to do the right thing…he reversed course and raised taxes to decrease the deficit. Now that most Republicans have signed the Grover Norquist pledge, any talk of raising taxes is sacrilegious. How can one person, especially one who is linked to so much corruption, be allowed to literally own so many members of congress, paralyzing the entire system and preventing any effort to move the country forward and out of this recession? Conservatism has become a religion with a group of fanatics who work tirelessly toward maintaining order and purity in thought and ideology while ferociously attacking anyone who disagrees. This is the source of much of the extremism these days. Definitely not your father’s Republican party.

CUDY | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 10:24 PM:

“Bush isn’t being blamed for every nosebleed – but certainly the things that happened on his watch – the tax cuts that threw the country into deficit after deficit, the doubled national debt, the unpaid for wars, the unpaid for seniors drug program – and the massive economic collapse that cost 9 million people their jobs.”
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……. and let’s not forget the 4.3 million “MADE IN AMERICA” manufacturing jobs that disappeared between 2001 and 2008.

Quoting George W. Bush: “When a good or service is produced at lower cost in another country, it makes sense to import it rather than to produce it domestically.” (SOURCE: 2004 Economic Report of the President, p. 25, published February 2004)

Yep… when those nucleus manufacturing jobs went away, so did all of the service sector jobs that linked back to them in one way or another.

LOGICSGOOD4 | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 10:34 PM:

“Forrest doesn’t get it. … (whine, whine, whine) … How about this Reagan comparison? – 18 Million jobs created during the Reagan expansion.”
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LMAO! @ what you said, “18 million jobs” ….. hmmmmmm, let me check that out at the BLS website. Let’s take a better look at where Reagan’s “16.7 million” jobs were created… LOL!:

According to the BLS, while “Goods Producing” jobs barely even climbed (they actually went down by 55,000) during the Reagan years, LEISURE and HOSPITALITY employment went UP by “2.3 million” under Reagan:

Goods Producing Employment (Jan ’81) = 24,152,000
Goods Producing Employment (Jan ’89) = 24,097,000
NET LOSS of Goods Producing Employment under Reagan = -55,000

Leisure and Hospitality Employment (Jan ’81) = 6,780,000
Leisure and Hospitality Employment (Jan ’89) = 9,072,000
NET GAIN of Leisure and Hospitality jobs under Reagan = +2.3 million

So…. so far, we see that of the “16.7 million” jobs created under Ronald Reagan… LOL! … 1.4 million of them were in the “government” sector and “2.3 million” were in the Leisure and Hospitality sector. In other words, 3.7 million were in fields that DID NOT serve as nucleus jobs (such as manufacturing) for other jobs. ……… In short, Reagan traded U.S. Production jobs for government and hotel maid, restaurant waiter, tour guide and bus boy jobs… LOL!

Where is the media to call this President out on his LIES about taxation!!! — Even several (usually) liberal media outlets admitted Obama was ALL WET when he first started this crapola!!! —— The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center crunched the numbers and found the wealthy pay a significantly HIGHER PERCENTAGE of their income in taxes than middle-income workers. The key numbers: this year those earning over $1 million will pay, on average, 29.1% on federal taxes. Those earning between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15%!!!! — THIS IS ALL CLASS-WARFARE… AND ALL A LIE!!!!

Don’t try to convince these fools with facts or history, the only numbers or “facts” they’ll believe in are the ones made up by Rush, Glenn and Bill… Why would Limbaugh, Beck or O’Reily bother with facts when they can make millions just by making things up and BSing LOUDER than every one else? These morons soak up this BS and repeat every word, over and over and over again. Asking these right-wing puppets to think for themselves is like asking a two-year old to do your calculus home work– They’ll just turn on the TV to Big Bird, Bert and Barney and get all distracted by the silly songs…

Tarp money bailed out the auto industry, who knows what the failed trillion buck stimulus did. Ten thousand dollar road signs for political gains. The obamacare bill , nothing, just a scam. 30 million people he says. That is fine, but one big problem, there is a reason they have no insurance. No money or do not care. So what did this 2700 pages of nothing do? Raise your rates or the government figure out a way to pay for it. It will all cost us to pay for this mess.

“”"”"”"your daily horse-blinder Republi-minion “whining” is boring, that’s why you never see me replying to any of it, just laughing at the shallowness of it.”"”"”"”

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Republican | October 5, 2011, 6:32 am

You don’t reply to it because you have no answers as to why your beloved Obama is failing with his policies. Why do you keep changing your name and cutting and pasting the same old BS? Paid blogger? I think so. I am starting to wonder about your story about being military in Germany.

CND FOX | October 5, 2011, 8:06 am —– The GOP is in trouble? According to the last elections, I would say you are either wrong or lying. Where do you come up with this stuff? You blindly follow the Democrats and always press for people not to vote for GOP. Have you ever voted for anything besides the Democrats? When you vote next time, try and go beyond the letter near the name and go on what the dandidates stand for.

Rand | October 5, 2011, 12:48 am 12:48 am —- What part of the word “AVERAGE” don’t you understand?? — Capital gains, regular income, whatever bracket…. it’s an AVERAGE… and it still proves the point that the President is FIBBING on his “rich pay less” statement!!

Forrest Gump is a republican: Don’t pay any attention to those right wing haters out there! You are speaking the truth, repugnicans have their own set of facts. Keep up the good work!

We should all take a look at this new movement “Occupy Wallstreet”. Its grass roots and expresses the opinions of the majority of Americans. They are what the tea party should have been instead of becoming an anti-Obama cult.

“”"”"”Yes, only someone without a college education (i.e., someone who ‘turned wrenches’ for 20 years) would think that he knows who someone is based upon a “news blog”…”"”"”"”

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Republican | October 5, 2011, 8:22 am

You mean like the other day when you said I was a government contractor in the ME? Brilliant X, brilliant!

COMMONSENSEPARTY

It seems to me, from what I saw they were a pretty diverse group. They have the desires you have attributed above except they want to go about it in a different way, They want a government devoid of influence peddling, graft and politians who are small change in the corporate pockets. Also its not fiscal sanity to cut spending in the middle of a recession, its fiscal insanity.

The only problem I see is the media show them as a bunch of 60′s hippies when that is only a very small part of the group. They need a little discipline, or they will go the same way as the tea party.

Remember Forrest, the way to confuse a Republicant is to use facts and logic… it’s like putting them in a round room and telling them to sit in the corner.

“The Tea Party simply want’s no more taxes, smaller government and fiscal sanity.”

Posted by: COMMONSENSEPARTY | OCTOBER 5, 2011, 9:01 AM 9:01 AM

Maybe that’s how they started out very early on, but now the teabaggers are suffering from a severe case of identity crisis, and it’s their own damn fault. I consider myself a moderate, and I am totally on board with the whole idea of “fiscal sanity”. But somewhere along the way, the movement became a mouthpiece for the extreme right-wing conservative element. I have seen, in person, with my own two eyes, tea party rallies with people holding signs that say “We came unarmed… this time!!” What the hell does THAT have to do with fiscal responsibility??? You gonna shoot somebody if your taxes aren’t lowered?? I have seen a tea party rally with someone holding up a sign that said “The solution to gay marriage:” and next to it is a picture of a noose!! REALLY?!?!? Lynching gay people is now a gateway to fiscal responsibility?!?!? REALLY??? I have approached people and asked them what “this” (their rally) is all about, just to hear it straight from their own mouth. More often than not, the answer is typically “we hate Obama” in one fashion or another. For those who DO confess it is about fiscal sanity, I ask why they are carrying hateful signs in their midst. One guy told me they can’t control who brings what signs. I then responded “Well if your message is about fiscal responsibility, why are you chanting with them?” No response… he just walked away from me.

And there you have it. Given the fact that they have moved so far away from the initial central message AND embraced imbeciles like Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin as their “darlings”, it’s no small wonder that they are quickly waning in popularity and the vast majority of Americans place no trust in them.

He’s correct about the GOP not accusing Reagan of class warfare BUT Reagan was an American President and that explains why Obabble is having problems.

The tea party has become nothing but a forum for calling President Obama names. They have no ideas and their agenda is not to help the American people but to stop the presidents re-election. They have absoluty no credibility with the majority of Americans. They have candidates that pander to their right wing extreme views and don’t know even know what the middle class is. Christi was smart not to get into their mess.

if the wall street protestors represent 99% of americans, then exactly who are they protesting? are they, or those on here touting them, aware of the fact that most of the stock shares of big corporations are held by average americans in the form of pensions or stock ownership? anyone who has a retirement account owns stock in all these evil corporations and a large portion of those shares are owned by educational association pensions, union pensions and the like. wreck the profitability of these corporations and you wreck the retirement prospects of many of the people (teachers, police, firefighters, et als) that the left is constantly crowing about protecting. there’s such an unbelievable disconnect between the reality of the corporation and the populist nonsense that surrounds them. are they looking out for all americans…no. why? because that’s not the purpose of a corporation…which is to maximize profits for the greatest return on the investment of shareholders. hard as it may be to believe, the vast majority of corporate stock is owned either individually or collectively by working and middle class people. the uber-left may not want to accept that, but that’s reality. and if you try to argue against this, then try to explain why the retirement prospects of so many working and middle class americans were destroyed by the economic collapses of the last decade. again, you might not want to believe it, but that’s reality.

Obama and the GOP are correct though. It wasn’t class warfare. Reagan was for closing loopholes, but not attacking a class of people. As far as taxing goes, Obama did lie. Taxs are higher now than when Reagan lowered them. He may have a short attention span or forgot while dusting off records… (that’s old skool there!) Reagan closed loopholes and lowered taxes to 28% [top earners]. Under Obama, taxes are still at 35% [top earners]. That’s not class warfare, that’s math, which evidently is something still too difficult for Obama to understand. He knows class warfare like the palm of his hand though. He has always been a professional class warfare leader for decades.

tferretti, i’m not a republican so i can’t answer your last question. your other point is purely semantic…if you have a retirement plan, it’s largely dependent on stock ownership or other similar investment vehicles. at the end of the day, just about every teacher, police officer, firefighter, and other working or middle class person with a retirement plan depends of the value of corporations to retire. although in say, the NJEA (of which i was once a member), the stock may be held in the name of the association trust fund, it’s still the basis upon which new jersey teachers largely depend for their retirement. i’m simply pointing out that there’s a seeming belief among the many on the left that corporations somehow have no connection to regular people, and that, rather, the only people associated with them are the mega-rich. sort of the same disconnect that exists among many conservatives that the only people on welfare are shiftless minorities, when the reality is that statistically there are more white people on public assistance (by virtue of sheer numbers) and that a large percentage of those on assistance depend on it because of factors beyond their control rather than their own poor choices.

CommonSenseParty | October 5, 2011, 9:01 AM:

“The Tea Party simply want’s no more taxes, smaller government and fiscal sanity.”
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LOL! … Oh give me a break. The Tea Party are really just Republicans in sheeps’ cloth. The fact is, after the experience of G.W. Bush who had a Republican congress for 75% of his time in office raised the debt by $5 trillion, the Republicans could no longer call themselves ‘fiscal conservatives’. So they had to come up with ANOTHER faction of the party to disguise themselves, because they were embarrassed of being Republicans, and chose the name “Tea Partiers”.

Why do you think all the Tea Partiers ran under the “(R)” banner?

Anyone who can’t figure out that the Tea Party is just Republicans that are embarrassed to say that they’re Republicans is really a clueless “bozo” brain.

GRUMPOLIS

I’m a democrat but beleive me I’m not slamming corporate American CEOs for doing what they are paid to do, increase profits and pay a decent dividend, hell I dabble in the market myself.

I just don’t understand how this republican agenda of lowering corporate taxes and de-regulation will work. No CEO with half a brain is going to build new plants and hire workers if he has no market for his products. Lowering corporate taxes won’t fix that. Lowering middle class taxes will. It give more money for middle class people to spend, thereby increasing demand.

Same old crap different day blah, blah, blah from FORREST GUMP IS A REPUBLICAN | OCTOBER 4, 2011, 9:09 PM —– Posted by: yankeefan | October 4, 2011, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm : are you kidding? Are you 5 years old? or is this the way Teapublicans/Conservatives deal with facts….you guys don’t believe in science, you don’t know your own American History, you don’t understand finance and your only “intelligent” response is blah blah blah……seriously!!!!!

tferretti, Wow! I think we agree to a point on what you said. Solyndra really illustrates the point and GE does as well. There will be many others. The government should stop the Keynesian economics of trying to pick the winners and losers and let the people decide who to best serve one another as Fred Hayek taught in his book “Road to Serfdom”

Right on Boris, when the government gives money to corporations the Republicans call it a “subsidy”. When it’s given to the rest of us (the 99%) they call it “welfare”. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
I haven’t read every posting but the trend seems to be attempting to educate the “Fox News” junkies. Give up, they have closed minds. They only listen to those who support their views. I’d venture a guess that those trying to provide the education here tune into Fox, Glen Beck, Rush etc just to see what the latest spew is.